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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of

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Speaker 1: things we simply don't know the answer too. Hi there,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another hard hitting episode of Thinking Sideways, the

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Speaker 1: podcast that takes No prisoners. I'm Joe, joined as always

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Speaker 1: with my lovely co host and Steve. Yeah. I get

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Speaker 1: to be the lovely one this time, you do. They're

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Speaker 1: quite attractive. Yeah. So we're gonna like, we're gonna solve

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Speaker 1: another mystery today. So you guys ready, Yeah? Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: let me start from the top. This is about a

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Speaker 1: guy named Donald Crowhurst, British guy. And before I go

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Speaker 1: any further, I want to give a shout out to

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Speaker 1: our listener Karen, who suggested this, So thanks Karen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this one's been in a hopper for a while. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been on a hopper for a long time. Karen,

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Speaker 1: course she is. We've betterr addicted. Okay, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: Donald Crowhurst. October thirty one nine, Mr Crowhurst sets sail

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Speaker 1: from the town of Tyne with England to sail his

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Speaker 1: forty foot single massive Trymaran Trymaran the Tynemoth Electron around

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Speaker 1: the world as part of the contest. So let me

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Speaker 1: give you a back some backgrounds to when this began.

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Speaker 1: In the spring of nineteen, the Sunday Times of London

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Speaker 1: announced to challenge, which they called the Golden Globe NonStop

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Speaker 1: around the World yacht race. They challenged volunteers to come

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Speaker 1: but by yourself single handed. Yeah, so go figure only

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Speaker 1: nine people actually step forward to take part of this offer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, the first band to make a home would

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Speaker 1: win the Golden Globe whatever that is. And I assume

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Speaker 1: it's different from the Golden Global Awards we have here,

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Speaker 1: so it's definitely different. Yeah. And then there was also

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Speaker 1: a five five thousand pound prize, which five thousand pounds

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Speaker 1: is about eighty thousand pounds today, which roughly about a

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty right around there, So five thousand dollar

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Speaker 1: prize for whoever had the fastest time or in the world.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, their nine step forward, but five of the

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Speaker 1: nine dropped out early, so I'm not gonna bother telling

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Speaker 1: you their names. But oh and if you're wondering why

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Speaker 1: the Sunday Times decided to do this. They there was

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Speaker 1: a guy at Francis Chichester who had done this the

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Speaker 1: it was a big, big sensation. Uh, it really bumped

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Speaker 1: they thought it then a little, a little, a little

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Speaker 1: and he did it in a fairly decent amount of time.

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Speaker 1: And he did but he stopped on the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you just stopped to make repairs exactly. What's just like

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Speaker 1: when you think about it, getting around the world NonStop

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Speaker 1: without going on shore to get supplies and make repairs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, well, and I think what people

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Speaker 1: But if you when you go around Cape Horn, you're

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Speaker 1: I don't remember where he stopped, or you might have

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Speaker 1: the deep bailing and everything. Maybe maybe he did, I

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00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm pretty sure he didn't. Around Christmas time,

428
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: Crowhurst Radio didn't saying that he was somewhere off Cape Town.

429
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 1: But at this point he was actually sailing past brazil Um.

430
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: He was weeks behind everybody else. And then not too

431
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: long after that he uh started claiming that he had

432
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: a faulty generator in his radio broadcast, and then he

433
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: just shut down transmissions entirely. He wanted show at one

434
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: point in South America for repairs, which broke the race rules.

435
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: Of course, you can't go ashore. But at this point

436
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: and now he didn't really care anymore. He just made

437
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: sure to keep a little profile so nobody identified him.

438
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: Bran Mutzier dropped out of the race after rounding Cape Horn.

439
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: He was he was actually in the lead, but he

440
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: just sort of like, you know, I just said, hell

441
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: with this. I think I'm just gonna sail on and

442
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: got it to heating, and so that's what he did. Yeah,

443
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: he eventually did. I think he was ce for three

444
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: or four hundred days by himself before he finally made landfall.

445
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: I know. I mean seriously, I mean, if you if

446
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: you had decided to round the cape and you decide, well,

447
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like doing this anymore, why don't

448
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: you cruise over to Sway and put it put in

449
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: for a while and get to get a few beers

450
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: and have some human company. Yeah, I thought, I thought

451
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: he uh, I thought, Bernard. He dropped out of the

452
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: race after he was back in the Atlantic. Yeah, and

453
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: it's right after he round at Cape Horn. So Cape

454
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: Horn is a tip of South America. Oh okay, sorry,

455
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm getting him. I'm getting good Africa Cape Okay, that's

456
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: where I'm because I always think of the Horde of Africa.

457
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: So that's that's where I'm screwing this. Yeah, you know,

458
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: Actually the Horn of Africa is in the Indian Sea.

459
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 1: It's like the Gulf of Aid and then all that

460
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: stuff that's in Horn of Africa. Okay, sorry, sorry to

461
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: be sorry to be lecturing here. No, no, no, I

462
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: know them both, but I'm I'm intermed mixing them. Yeah. Yeah,

463
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 1: it was geography and stupid Globe geography. Back to so

464
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: after him, want to say, dropped out of the race.

465
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: That left three sailors Robin Knox Johnston, Nigel Tetley, and

466
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: Donald Crowhurst. Robin Knox Johnston arrived home first. He got

467
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: home April nineteen six, and then he won the Golden Globe. Yeah.

468
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: Crowhurst was out of contact, but everybody was interpretating his

469
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: progress based on his past reported positions and the speeds

470
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: that they could estimate based on those distances between those points.

471
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: And so it looked, based on that interpretation like Crowhurst

472
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: might actually beat Nigel Tetley for the best time, and

473
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: so there was a lot of excitement back home. So

474
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: on April tenth, nineteen sixty and Crowhurst finally broke his

475
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: radio silence and he said he was headed back up

476
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: the Atlantic having cleared Cape Horn, and of course Hallward

477
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: sent out a press release, a press one nuts because

478
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: it looked like Crowhurst was a plucky amateur who was

479
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: in serious contention for the five thousand pound prize. Lots

480
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: of excitement all the way around. But of course Crowhurst

481
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: was relying on Tetley because he knew that Tetley was

482
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: had a two week lead on him, so he was

483
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: he was very depending on not winning. Well. I think

484
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: he should have waited a little longer before he broke

485
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: his radio silence because Tetley of course was aware that

486
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: Crowhurst was was back in the race and was in

487
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: the Atlantic hot on his heels as far as he knew.

488
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: Of course, of course Crowhurst was it really wasn't speeding

489
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: that fast. He didn't wasn't all that motivated to get

490
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: home from now he was. Yeah, but Tetley believe that

491
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 1: Crowhurst was hot on his heels and so he put

492
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: on as much sale as he could. Tetley, by the way,

493
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: it was also in another forty ft Trimarran, so he

494
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: put on loss of sale and he uh found himself

495
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: in a storm in the mid Atlantic. He didn't shorten

496
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: his sales nearly as much as he should have. And

497
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: shorten your sales means you take in sale, you have

498
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: less sale because you don't want to be demasted in

499
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: storms another sailing term. But so because of that, his

500
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: Tribemran was damaged in the storm and started taking on

501
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: water off the Azores and the boat sank. He took

502
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: to his life raft and he was rescued by rescue

503
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: type people. Yeah, rescued I as seen people in the helicopters.

504
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, probably Yeah. So he was pulled out of

505
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: the water. Made thirtieth, nineteen sixty nine. And of course

506
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: he's still a crow who still had a functioning radio.

507
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: So when he heard the news that Tetley had sunk, well,

508
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: that was really bad news for him. Needless to say, Uh,

509
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: his long his log entries about this point showed that

510
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: he was in a deteriorating mental state for the the

511
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: last several weeks of his log entries and he wrote poems,

512
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: random thoughts, philosophical ramblings. You put in fake and real

513
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: log entries. And then in the final page of the log,

514
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: which was ended on July one, nine, he wrote, and

515
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: I quote, it is finished. It is the mercy that

516
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: was all caps. I will resign the game. So that

517
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: was his last entry. So wait, okay, I'm confused. Robin

518
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: Knox Johnston arrived on April twenty twond so why why

519
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: was Crowhurst gonna win? Didn't Robin Knox Johnston already win?

520
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: Remember now he won the Golden Globe was getting there

521
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: first and getting their fastest. Knox Johnston got there first,

522
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: but he did he Crowhurst potentially could get there in

523
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: a shorter amount of time. It was two separate got it? Okay, okay,

524
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: I get it. I've been laboring under false assumptions. Max

525
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: Johnston was in a monohole boat, which tends to be

526
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: slower than trim Ran too. Yeah, so I'm sure he

527
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: had a good pokey time. On July tenth, nineteen nine,

528
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: the Royal Mail vessel party crossing the mid Atlantic towards

529
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: the Caribbean, spotted the time with electron drifting with only

530
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: a single sale up. They boarded it found the boat

531
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: was cluttered and dirty, with dirty dishes, filthy bedding, and

532
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: no crew, nobody to be seen. So the captain of

533
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: the Picardy hauled the trim ran on board his ship

534
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: and they sailed on and started to read the three

535
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: log books that they found on there, and the air

536
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: search was begun for Crowhurst, and of course the news

537
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: of his disappearance spread worldwide and made him very famous.

538
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: Of course, he was already kind of famous because a

539
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: lot of people were following this and there, of course

540
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: lots of people reported sighting him at all kinds of

541
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: places around the world, including the UK and Cape Verity

542
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: and everywhere else, and the British media for a time

543
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: even staked out the family home thinking he might he

544
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: might show up there or something. And two days later

545
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: the captain of the Picardy was mostly through the log books.

546
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: There were also other papers found on board the boat

547
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: which showed the actual navigation course that he had been following,

548
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: and not the fake log books. And so the captain

549
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: reported what he found. And I also mentioned the suicidal

550
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: sounding the last entry, which leads you to think a

551
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: certain thing don't believe it or not, and the AIRCA

552
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: rescue was called off, and the mystery of the ghost

553
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: ship Time with Electron lives on to this day. No

554
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: one knows what happened to the crew of the time

555
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: with the thing that really I had a really hard

556
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: time getting ahold of with this story and it's your

557
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: head around. Well, no, it's just what's not so apparent

558
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: when you just read it is the amount of time

559
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: that it takes place over fast. No. And I watched

560
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: there's a great documentary on this called deep Water, and

561
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: I watched it. It's really interesting and it really goes

562
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: through a lot of it, but it really gave me

563
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: the sense of how much time this whole thing took,

564
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: and how much time Crowhurst spent by himself on that boat.

565
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean when his boat was found, it was two

566
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: hundred and forty some days by himself. That's a huge

567
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: amount of time. Now he went on land once. Yeah,

568
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: speaking about speaking of spending a huge amount of time

569
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: at sea, there, there's actually a book about a guy

570
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: who took over three years to sail around the world. Yeah.

571
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: And the book that I was going to recommend to

572
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: you what is called Sailing Alone around the World by

573
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: Joshua Slocum. Joshua Slocum was actually a quasi famous guy.

574
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: He was a New England sea captain and he set

575
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: out in April eighteen on his boat the Spray, which

576
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: was a thirty seven foot wouldn't sloop, and he sailed

577
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: in a little more than three years and about forty

578
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: six thousand miles all around the world. Was he by himself? Yeah,

579
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: he was by himself three Now he didn't he didn't

580
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: do it NonStop. Yeah, yeah, but over three years, I

581
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: would hope, yeah, hopefully put a games up a little

582
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: shortly from time to time. But even that, I mean,

583
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: that's quite the adventure. Yeah, and all of this, I'm

584
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: sure the accounts of it shortly were probably really cool too.

585
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was really ready to cut loose and

586
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: kick up his heels many many months at sea. Go

587
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: check it out now, well, don't check it out now,

588
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: Wait until we end the show, then check it out. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

589
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: we still have a lot of show ahead of us

590
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: because we got to talk about theories, what happened to

591
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: Donald Crowhurst and how did the time with the Electron

592
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: become a ghost ship or a ghost boat? Yeah, or

593
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: a ghost tram in yeah, or whatever. So theories in

594
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: no particular order. Theory one is pirates. Yeah, you guys

595
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: have any thoughts on that. I didn't find a whole

596
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: lot of record of I did look for this, I

597
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: actually thought about it. I didn't see a whole lot

598
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: of records of pirates operating in that part of the

599
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: sea in the late sixties. I couldn't find a whole

600
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: lot of accountings of that. And it also just seems

601
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: like super counterintuitive like that, it's not like there's a

602
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 1: lot of stuff missing from the boat. Well actually, not

603
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: like the boat was missing. It's just it was just

604
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: this one broke dude. Well, typically, you know, pirates, like

605
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: in the in the Caribbean, for example, pirates now in

606
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: that area tend to um you know, and it could

607
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: be a similar much pirates they tend to kill the

608
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: owner and throw his body overboard and take the boat.

609
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, they would have taken the boat. So you

610
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: want to put the pirate theory arrest I kind of think, so, yeah, okay,

611
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: well that was short lived. Next theory and this this

612
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: has some plausibility. That next theory is that he fell overboard,

613
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: which is entirely possible. Yeah, apparently he had a propensity

614
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: to fall overboard. He had to constantly do I actually

615
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: I really unfortunately kind of lean towards this one heavily

616
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: because of all the repairs that he was constantly doing.

617
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: Um we didn't I know, we didn't talk about it initially,

618
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: but who was the guy that went on the the

619
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: early voyage with him? Yeah, when Eden was with him.

620
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: One of the issues that they were having is the

621
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: screws in the that we're holding the rudder to the

622
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: boat continually were vibrating loose and falling out. I don't

623
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: even understand how that happens though, like Brandon designed, haven't

624
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: figured it out. They're not locked in their screws. And

625
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: he what was the guy's name again, Eden, I'll remember

626
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: it now. He recommended welding him. He's like, this is great,

627
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: but if you want to take this voyage, you need

628
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: to weld those down, which never happened. And it was

629
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: even some superglue would have been helping something, but it

630
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: as long as he talked about, you know, lost the

631
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: fourth screw today and so I just I can just

632
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: imagine him constantly being out there when you're on your

633
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: own and you're a little loopy from just being on

634
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: your own nothing else, just ivan in the sun for

635
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: two days by myself, and you're just kind of spaced

636
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: out and you go to grab something as it's falling away,

637
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and no way to get back in

638
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: the boat, and the boat just keeps going. Yeah, it

639
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: doesn't stop. Ye, intelligent sailors, I think tie themselves to

640
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: the boat usually. I usually people have lifelines that they

641
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: but h and but you know even that, I mean,

642
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: if you go overboard, it can be pretty tough to

643
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: get back into the boat. I mean, it's entirely possible.

644
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: But I don't think he was wearing a lifeline if

645
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: he did fell overboard, because it would have it would

646
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: have been there. I mean, his body still probably still

647
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: would have been there. Well. And and he did, um

648
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: A lot of the guys were on this in this race,

649
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: must say and he both we're given tape recorders and

650
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: video recorders to just log what they were do doing.

651
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: And Monta say, has And and Crowhurst have a bunch

652
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: of footage of themselves just tooling around on the boat

653
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: do in their everyday thing. And they're in shorts, they've

654
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: got no shirt on there in the sun, and I

655
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: never saw a lifeline tied to anybody. Yeah, I would

656
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: imagine that would be more cumbersome on a daily basis

657
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: because you're walking back and forth and it's snagging, and

658
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: you go one way and then the other and it's

659
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: just looped around. I can see that being a giant pain,

660
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: which would explain why you wouldn't wear it all the time. Yeah,

661
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: heavy c s would be the only time I think

662
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: you would do it, or if you had a hi

663
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: perpensity for falling over I'm just saying, if you've fallen

664
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: overboard on like a small voyage five or six times,

665
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: maybe like use your brain a little bit, connect yourself

666
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: to that thing that is the only thing that's keeping

667
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: you alive. But people get lazy when they get comfortable

668
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: and used to Yeah, so anyway, well let's little get

669
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: that some points that's a strong possibility for that theory.

670
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: Of course, the next theory, and this is the most

671
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: prevalent theory out there, is suicide. And certainly that's supported

672
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: by the last log book entry. Although you could interpret

673
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: that plausibly, he says, uh, he said, I will resign

674
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: the game. You could interpret that as him just saying

675
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to drop out of the race, or he's

676
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: gonna admit to everything, or possibly he's going to get busted. Yeah,

677
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: it could be that, or it could be by resigning

678
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: the game, he means he's going to offer himself. It's

679
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: hard to say, all right, yeah, it's all It's especially

680
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: hard to say since, like I haven't read any of

681
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: his other log stuff, like what the kind of tone

682
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: of it? You know, you can get a sense of

683
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: stuff like that sometimes. But but here's why, here's why

684
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't really believe the suicide thing entirely. I mean,

685
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: it's still possible. But if it were me and I

686
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: was going to commit suicide, and of course he probably

687
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: wasn't entirely in his right mind, but he left a

688
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: lot of evidence behind, uh that that he basically lied

689
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: the whole time. And you know, of course, you want

690
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: to think about what your reputation is going to be

691
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: beyond the grave. You want to think about that. And

692
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: if it had been me, I would have checked the

693
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: logs and all the other documentation overboards, so there'd be

694
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: there would have been no evidence. I swear I saw

695
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: somewhere that in this is in line with the suicide

696
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: theory is that somebody had said that he had taken

697
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: one of the log books with him overboard, which I

698
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: could never really substantiate, And also question how do you

699
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: know exactly. I've heard that too, that they thought it

700
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: took a log But how do you know that? I mean,

701
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: we're did the spine of the log books a log

702
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,479
Speaker 1: book one to four, and so you know he is missing, yeah,

703
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: or in the logs. Maybe you've just got a big jump,

704
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: But then you still don't know, because I mean, it's

705
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: also it is possible that he just didn't keep logs

706
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: for a gap of time. It's also possible at some

707
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: point you accidentally dropped it overboard. He had it on

708
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: when he fell over, he got back in the boat

709
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: and it didn't go. But so as soon as that

710
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: goes On the other hand, he did have a pretty

711
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: strong motivation because not only was he going to be

712
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: financially ruined, he was going to be humiliated and exposed

713
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: as a liar. And also he's probably feeling a little

714
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: bit guilty about Nigel Tetley, because Nigel Tetley arguably wouldn't

715
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: have said wouldn't have have sunk not for him, So

716
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: maybe he was feeling a little a little remorseful about that,

717
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: and so maybe all those things combined to driving to suicide. Yeah,

718
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: he well, and I know he had a lot of hesitation.

719
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: I mean, if it wasn't for the contract that he

720
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: had to sign. From what I've seen, I get the

721
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: feeling that he would have never set sail, because I

722
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: think it was the thirty of October, the day before

723
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: he left, he went to his financier and his publicist

724
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: and said, this boat is not ready. I this boat

725
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: is an't ready. I can't take this boat it out

726
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: And they both looked at him and said, what do

727
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: you mean. You have to go? You you have to go.

728
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: It's too late to back out. And you know, it's

729
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: a rock and a hard place. He was in a

730
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: tough spot, it's a terrible spot. Well he did put

731
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: himself there, I mean, yeah, you did. But I still

732
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: feel bad for the guy, Yeah, of course, yeah. Well,

733
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's heart wrenching because of course he

734
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: had he was married and a four kids, three or

735
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: four children. Well, and didn't I think I read somewhere

736
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: that the guy who ended up with the money, who

737
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: ended up with the money, Wally ended up with the

738
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: knock Knox Johnson. That's that's right. He's the only one

739
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: that made and didn't he give most of it to

740
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,479
Speaker 1: the children of Yeah he did, Yeah, Yeah, and even

741
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: after it came out that you know, he was kind

742
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: of a liar and all that stuff, the money was

743
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: never I mean, you gotta feel bad for the family,

744
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, because they've lost They've lost their husband and father,

745
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: and on top of that, he getting a lot of

746
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: really bad peoplicity. Yeah, well, I imagine. I mean, it's

747
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: just like anybody who becomes a public figure like that.

748
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: You're you know that there's two frames of mind. Either

749
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: I know, I'm going to make a bunch of money

750
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: from this in other avenues, so I'm going to give

751
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: this away knowing that I'm not going to be hurting

752
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: in the long run because I'll make money on other ventures.

753
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: Or there's, as you guys said, the magnanimous perspective of yeah,

754
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: my my winning doesn't matter because of this other tragedy

755
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: that happened. I mean, it's hard to say what motivated

756
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad he did it because it was

757
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: something to do. Yeah, And I have no idea he

758
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: might have been independently wealthy anyway, so who knows. Okay,

759
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: do you guys have any more thoughts on the suicide theory? No? Okay,

760
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: last theory. This theory is that there is a seagoing troupicbra. Yeah,

761
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: there is called the krack and yeah, I've heard of that.

762
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: So there is there's a school of thinking that perhaps

763
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: the crack and got him. Yeah. I just reached up,

764
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: plucked him out the boat and took him away pretty much. Yeah. Actually,

765
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: probably what it did is it grabbed the boat and

766
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: it's in his harry paw, turned it upside down and

767
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: shook him out of the boat into his mouth, and

768
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: then gently set the boat back down. And he was

769
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: the only thing that fell out. Well, that would explain

770
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: why the one log book was gone too, because it

771
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: fell out to Yeah, but none of the dishes or anything. No,

772
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: that's true. Good point. They weren't broken and that yeah

773
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: the good point. Okay, so much for that there. Okay, Yeah,

774
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: you know what, I always like to bring things out

775
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: of left field. Here's the one theory that I've never

776
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: come across that I wonder about. His boat was found

777
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: in the Atlantic and it was what a hundred miles

778
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: from the as ors. Is that correct something like that. Yeah,

779
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: it was about a hundred miles when when that ship

780
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: founded on the tenth, it was about a hundred of

781
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: miles away from the ass which it's just a string

782
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: of islands that kind of I don't even know how

783
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: far they they're five miles off the coast of Spain,

784
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: but it's still a relatively temperate area. And he's already

785
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: broken the rules once and gone ashore, so I could

786
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: conceivably see him writing this post, uh, this log entry

787
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: saying the game is up, going to an island and

788
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: just pushing the boat off, And because the boat was

789
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: found with a sail up, so I could see where

790
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: he just said, I'm going to just start a new life.

791
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna start a new life. I'm just gonna

792
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: walk away. I'm sorry for my wife and family, but

793
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: the hell with this. I'm out. I just can't take

794
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: this anymore. And maybe it's because those islands are so

795
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: small in their small communities that this this might just

796
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: be completely wrong. But I just wonder about that, because

797
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't that far off and heat in his course

798
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: when he found out about Lee, he hung a right

799
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: hand turn and started heading in that direction rather than

800
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: continuing north to England. So yeah, I mean the ass

801
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: is a possibility, but you know, I mean I just

802
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: don't know that. The only problem that I have with

803
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: that theory is that, um, he could start over with

804
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: nothing in the ass or he could go home and

805
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: start off with nothing again and have be with his

806
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: family and so but if he if he went home,

807
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: he would be returning in disgrace. He would lose everything

808
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: he had. And if he chose to disappear and not

809
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: return home, his family would likely have some kind of

810
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: but you know, he probably had life insurance or something

811
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: like that something. You know, it's not it's it protected

812
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: his family financially a little bit, get them a little

813
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: more something. Yeah, And it protected him because you can

814
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: take on a new name and nobody knows what a

815
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: dipstick you were and what a foolish mistake you made.

816
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: You can actually actually everybody everybody knows that because they've

817
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: read the log books, that you foolish. But no, everybody

818
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: that he meets from then on forward, he's not going

819
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: to operate under this stigma of oh, you don't do

820
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: business with Crowhurst. He's a liar. He tries to pull

821
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: the wool over your eyes. He can just be you know,

822
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: some random dude shows up on the island and hires

823
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: on with a ship and just goes about his business

824
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: and just he's free of it. It's washes his hands. Yeah.

825
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: The only problem I have with that theory is I

826
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: still think he would have sanitized the boat. He would

827
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: have taken the incriminating stuff. Yeah, I definitely think that

828
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: he should have. He should have would think that because

829
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, if he set the set the boat off,

830
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: he would want people to think that he just was

831
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: washed overboard or fell overboard. Yeah, and so that's fair.

832
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair point. But but but sanitizing the boat,

833
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that that wouldn't look more suspicious. That

834
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: would looks kind of funny too. You know, if he

835
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: had done the laundry and washed all the dishes and

836
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: all of that, would that have stood out to us

837
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: in history as stranger than the cabin was a wreck? No? No, no,

838
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't mean I'm sanitized as in removing

839
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: criminating materials like the log books and charts and stuff

840
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: like that. That's stuff that stuff that you know that

841
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: showed the entire world that he had been lying this

842
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: entire time. But would it have looked But that's the

843
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: thing again, that would have looked bad to how many

844
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: log books he left with. Well what I mean, I

845
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: guess the thing you do in that situation is you

846
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: just throw almost everything that was on the ship overboard

847
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: and make it look like you got hit by a

848
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: huge wave. It washed, you know, washed everything out, watched

849
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: everything out. It's reasonable that there was you know, not

850
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: a whole lot that survived or whatever, and let go

851
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: about your marry Wayne. Yeah, I mean there's you knows,

852
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: there's plausible excuses for that, you know, like, well, you know,

853
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: I took on a bunch of water with a sneaker wave,

854
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, filled half filled the cabin, and I had

855
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: had everything out on deck drying out, you know, and

856
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: then theother sneaker wave came along and washed it all overboard.

857
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: Of course he's not there to explain all this or

858
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: you you know, dunk them in the water and let

859
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: lay them out to dry, and they're so you know, crinkled,

860
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: and I think is all running and everything that nobody

861
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: can decipher what you were writing. But I don't know,

862
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: there's ways to do it. There's ways to cover your tracks. Yeah,

863
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: and that's that's the hardest part with this, is we

864
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: all it's so easy first armchair quarterback that and come

865
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: up with better ways to do it. But again, some

866
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: days on your own, and granted you've got a lot

867
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: of time to think through this, but I think you

868
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of time to think through this and

869
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: then think through it again and again and just drive

870
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: yourself bad. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. It sounds like

871
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: that's what happened to him. Yeah, it's sad. I feel

872
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: so I feel bad for the guy. Well, okay, so

873
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: much for that theory, So maybe maybe who knows, um

874
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: any other any other theories? Now, that was the only

875
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: other thing I had was the ash. There's not too

876
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: many theories on this one, but I didn't want to

877
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: say one last thing, and that what's really sad is

878
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: that he had a way out. He didn't have to

879
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: kill himself if if you need, I'm kind of torn

880
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: between being falling overboard and killing him. So I wasna

881
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: you lean towards the suicide theory if well, if you committed,

882
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: if he committed suicide, then it didn't he didn't have

883
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: to do it. He could have. He could have. Actually,

884
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: there was a way that he could get back to

885
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: England fool everybody and not be disgraced, which is all

886
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: he had to do was scuttle his boat. Yeah, all

887
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: he had to do. That's I didn't even think about that. Yeah,

888
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: that's so true. Everybody else was doing it, I know.

889
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all the cool kids are doing it.

890
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: If he doesn't get the money, but yeah, I mean

891
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: he he only problem was he didn't have a radio

892
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: transmitter that had cocked out. I don't know if I

893
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: mentioned that or not, but as radio he he seized

894
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: radio transmissions. But it turns out when they found about

895
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: the transmitter wasn't working. So at some point, this was

896
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: after after he needs to send a couple of transmissions

897
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: saying he was headed back up the Atlantic, but apparently

898
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: it stopped working. It actually did stop working. Yeah, so

899
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: he couldn't get a distress call out. But that's easily

900
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: solved because he was All he needed to do was

901
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: head towards say, you know the coast of North Africa

902
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: or maybe Portugal, Spain, and we get close, get to

903
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: within maybe just barely side the land. Stuff. A bunch

904
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: of provisions to make sure the wind and the current

905
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: are moving your direction and then open all the sea

906
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: cocks and watched that thing go down. And he did

907
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: have a lifeboat on. And so the thing is is

908
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: he could have done that, of course, you know, and

909
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: in the in the in the mayhem of the boats sinking,

910
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I didn't have time to grab

911
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: the log books, you know, And so he just barely

912
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: escapes with his life, and nobody ever, people might be

913
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: a little suspicious, but nobody will ever be the wiser.

914
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: And he doesn't. He's not disgraced. He doesn't lose his

915
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: house and his business. That's all he had to do. Gosh,

916
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that. Yeah, foolish because I

917
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: put off the deep end with the ads. But that's

918
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: a much simpler answer that would have been, Yeah, that

919
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: would have been the way to do it. And frankly,

920
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: but you know, and this is another reason to lean

921
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: towards um, towards being falling overboarder being washed overboard, is

922
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: that I'm kind of surprised if he chose to kill himself,

923
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: that he didn't scuttle the boat, because you know, the

924
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: same same thing he winds up with the drinks, and

925
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: the drinking drowns, but he leaves all the damning evidence behind.

926
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: But if he sunk the boat and drowned himself, then

927
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: everybody would just assume that he had been lost at sea,

928
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: and he would be kind of a national hero instead

929
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: of a national instead of being disgraced as he was.

930
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: It's very true. Yeah, so yeah, it's kind of seems

931
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: like he was just washed overboard. Well, you know, I

932
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: don't know, it's hard to say, because I mean, it

933
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: didn't occur to you guys to scuttle the boat. Maybe

934
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: it didn't occur to him. Yeah, it occurs to Joe

935
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: because he scuttles boats all the time. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

936
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: You know sometimes you gotta you know, you gotta just

937
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, pour gasoline all over every time. Did I

938
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: say that's damn it? Yeah? So anyway, too bad? Um,

939
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,919
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940
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,799
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941
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,279
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942
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,440
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00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,279
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965
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,000
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966
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Speaker 1: a covert. Yeah, but you'll find some links to some

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