WEBVTT - Ep. 73: Bear Grease [Render] - Moose Hunt, Three-Yard Bear, and Black Panthers 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:16.560 M. My name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.680 production of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.160 where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:30.000 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast presented by f 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.320 HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.280 that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:48.400 Welcome to the bear Grease Render Podcast. My oh my, 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.839 do we have an incredible show for you today. So 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.400 I am. We're sitting around a nice white oak wood 0:00:56.400 --> 0:01:00.720 campfire in the in the mountains of Arkansas and we've 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.040 got an eclectic group of guests today Today is gonna 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.440 be a little bit different. So for those of you 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.120 who might not be super familiar with what we do, 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.280 the bargar Rease Podcast is what justin, I don't know 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:19.160 how you describe. The barg Rease Podcast is a documentary 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:23.679 stole podcast. We have multiple guests, very polished and produced 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.040 that tells a story about a specific topic of person 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.000 whatever we're talking about. The bargar Rease Render is this 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.800 which what is this? Justin? This is a discussion about 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:38.199 the polished podcast, right, and it's a random group of people, 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.920 but today, it's not so random. So typically on the 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.920 render we would discuss the previous week's podcast, and we're 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.560 we're not gonna do that today though, We're gonna do 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.920 something a little bit different because we've had some pretty 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.200 wild stuff happen, and I've got a pretty wild group 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.680 of men here that I will introduce from left to right. 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.200 To my left is Justin Michow. Justin, Welcome brother. Than 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.520 you tell us, tell everybody what you do. I am 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.120 a photographer and videographer. Who do you work for you? 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:18.880 That's right? Different brands across Can you tell us some 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.440 of the brands? We eat our first light, lacrosse dinner 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.880 or text? So your professional videographer, professional photographer. You live 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.639 in the great state of New York, Western New York. 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.000 You told me that your kids the first day of school. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.840 The other day I had to like tell about themselves. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.560 What would you say about yourself? If you were in 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.640 the second grade and your teacher said, okay, right, five 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.480 things about yourself that make you special? What would you say? 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.639 Do I need Do I have to name five? Well? 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:51.240 Just I like biscuits and gravy because from South Carolina, 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:55.120 Well you knew that would come up your deer hunter. 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.800 I'm a deer hunter. Love coffee, love what I do 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.160 for a job doesn't feel like quirk. I love my wife. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:07.639 Is my anniversary? Oh wow? Yeah? How many? How many years? Two? Congratulations? Man? 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.880 You know that's big. That is big commitments. Good. She 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.640 makes it real easy. Good. Well to Justin's left is 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.080 a man who needs no introduction. On the Beargrease Podcast. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.920 I just let James know yesterday Dad that he is 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:26.840 a member of the Beargrease Hall of Fame. So, James 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:32.120 Lawrence and an original inductee in the Beargrease Hall of Fame. 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:37.400 How you doing, James? Good? Well, we're proud to be inducted. Yeah. 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.600 When I told him, I said, uh. I explained to 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.240 him what the Beargrease Hall of Fame was, and I said, James, 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.560 here are the people that are in it, James Lawrence, 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:51.360 Daniel Boone. And he got a chuckle when Daniel Boone 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:56.040 was the second one. But it's quite serious, very serious. 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.840 And then you know the other guy. It's Warner Glenn 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.880 Roy Clark in Tennessee. What you've just heard is a 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.640 white oak acorn following about thirty feet out of a 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.680 big tree hitting a tin roof. If you've heard that, 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:11.840 sud James Lawrence, Daniel Boone, Warner Glenn eight probably eighty 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:16.480 seven now, uh, cowboy in Arizona, Roy Clark plot man 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:21.520 extraordinaire in East Tennessee. Frederick Gerstalker who was in was 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:26.440 a hunter in early Arkansas history. And then George mcjunkin, 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:33.080 who was the former slave that found the Falsome archaeological site. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:37.520 So you're you're amongst quite the company. Brother, I feel privileged. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.400 James were like in your home turf down here, man, 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:44.719 we're right in the cradle of Lawrenceville. It's good to 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.800 see you. It's good good to be here. Hey, I 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.919 especially listen to this. I probably never said this. In 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.760 two thousand and ten, when I started my career in 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.240 the outdoor space, we we were pioneering and starting a 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.919 regional man magazine and do you know who was in 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.719 the very first issue of that magazine James Lawrence. I 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.159 went to James because he had a story of the 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.960 biggest buck you ever killed when you were held. So 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:18.760 you've been hunting for how many years? Now years? I'd 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.320 hunted three or four years before killed that one too. Yeah, 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.600 I've probably nine and so to this day. The biggest 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.240 buck you ever killed was when you were twelve, and 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.480 it was a really unique story. And you'd found the 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.280 shed horns of this deer back during the time when 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.360 there weren't a lot of deer. You'd found three years 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.720 the shed horns killed this deer. It scored about one 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.560 sixty Just an incredible story. So I went to James 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.080 and wrote an article about him, and there's a picture 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.640 me and James in that magazine holding those shed horns 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.880 in that buck. Well. When I went to work for 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.520 Meat Eater and they said, Clay, you gotta start a podcast. 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:52.520 You know who, the first person I went to was 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.640 Dad's point to James, James Lawrence. I went to James's 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.440 house and I said, I'm gonna do a podcast on 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.120 the shed hornbuck of nineteen sixty two. So thanks James, 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:09.360 Thank you. He pretty much chose his career. Hey, for real, 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.640 what I've made what what what I love about what 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.839 I do is finding people that didn't get the attention 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.560 of the outdoor channel, you know. And when I when 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.840 I learned of James's story and got to know him, 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.960 I was like, this is cool stuff, and nobody knows 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.760 this story nobody, and and there's people like that all around. 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.360 I forgot one guy that's in the Hall of Fame, 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.320 or a Lee Province. I was telling James about or 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.440 a Lee. They live in different parts of the States, 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.120 so James never knew or a Lee, but like or Province, 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.880 you know, nobody would have ever known that story. But 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.560 so James Lawrence is here, Hey, let me say something 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:51.320 about James. Clay came to me about that same time 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.240 and said, who who would be the best hunter in 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.719 Polk County. Of course I don't gun hunt, and but 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.240 I knew James would be up there. But I said, 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.960 go ahead and called Joe Lyles. I mean, he'll tell 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.800 you for sure who the best hunter is. And we 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.520 kind of suspicioned it's gonna be James, but he said, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:13.000 no question, James Lawrence, he's the man. So yeah, anyway, 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.280 that's I think that's how you originally you went up 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.200 and knocked on his door and said he yeah, you 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.280 got a pretty high reference. Yep. Yeah, Joe Lyles, he's 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.680 the one who said go go talk to James. I 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.800 went and knocked on his door and we've been best 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.960 buddies ever since. That's right. I remember that day. Yeah, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.200 you knocked on the door and stuck out your hand, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.840 introduced yourself and we went out and garage sat down 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.680 and talk dear stories. Did you know him before then? 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:39.560 I met him when he knocked on the door. Yeah, 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.480 I was writing a story about hunting, hunting big woods, 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:46.680 white tails. To James's left is our star guest who 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.600 has not been on the Burgary podcast at all before. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.440 Who's good and smoke in the Who's getting some smoke 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.560 at his eyes? Gerald Brewer? Gerald, great, too great to 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.200 have you a man, Good to see you, Gerald. How older? 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:04.120 You eighty two years old? And you got a you 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.720 got a head full of hair like a like a 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:14.320 movie star. Man. I don't know about that, Gerald. What 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.160 what kind of work did you do? I was in 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.960 an autoparts business before I retired. Yeah, how long did 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.200 you do that? I did that for thirty five years, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:27.520 autoparts business, small town, Arkansas. But you're a lifelong hunter, 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:31.240 I am. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us. So we're at 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.360 your camp and now don't tell us, don't tell anybody 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.000 where it's at, but tell us about your camp and 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:38.959 kind of the history of this property. We can tell 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:44.880 you mountains, we've said that. Okay, yeah, okay, this where 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.680 we're at here is part of a one hundred and 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:54.080 sixty acre homestead. Then uh, local people homestated back in 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.000 the day. It's a few miles on either in any 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:01.240 either direction, any direction. But before you the more private property. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.560 So this is sort of unique that we're where we're 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.640 at here. We were have two sides of the national forest. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.480 Good place to haunt. So how long have you had 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:15.120 this property? I've had this Uh, I was thinking about 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.800 the last night or this morning, trying to figure it up. 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.840 I think about thirty five years. Okay, yeah, and then 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:28.240 you originally had You've got a big metal um metal 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.000 covering over an area where you back to your camper 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.680 trailer in for years, is that right? Right? Yeah, so 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:35.880 you had deer camp out here with a camper trailer. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.760 But then when did you win? Was this cabin built? 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.480 James built the cabin, uh twenty nineteen. It's not it's 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.760 not that old. Yeah, but yes, this uh where worst 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:50.760 they did not here star typical. A lot of building 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:55.080 around here evolved, you know that on a little every year. 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.760 And uh, originally when we when my brother and I 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:03.280 was harder this we didn't we weren't really thinking about 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.679 a cabin. We just wanted to shed to get out 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:07.960 of the rain. And then we put a wood stove 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.319 in and build a shed for a trailer, and then 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:15.720 we enclosed all of this with a siding. And uh. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.760 Then in twenty nineteen we built uh the new cabin 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.200 here and then we kept the old one and just 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.360 took all the walls off and that way having outside 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.600 and prevail you yeah, with an outside kitchen and so forth. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.240 Well it's a it's a beautiful spot. And then the 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.040 cabin that and you said that James Lawrence built this 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.480 cabin right and uh runs off solar where I f 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.720 agreed out here and uh man James, me and me 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:48.000 and uh justin we're admiring your your trim work inside there. Yeah, 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.480 really nice. Enjoyed doing that. Y'all built. Y'all did every 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.240 part of this high built everything but siding and another 0:10:55.280 --> 0:11:01.880 guy built put the siding on. Yeh. But other than that, yeah, 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.600 did it all. We're proud of it. Yeah. So we've 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.319 had our bear camp out here in the last several years, 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.720 were or four years or the fourth year? Yeah, probably? 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.319 So Yeah, so we'll come back to Gerald. But to 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:19.440 Gerald's left, Gary nucle the believer himself. Yeah, I got 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.800 my believer hate y'all see his hat? I like that. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.720 Do y'all know what that means? Ok? It's got a 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.960 black panther on it. So the first one of the 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:36.880 first Barris podcasts, I was interviewing Dad about mountain lions 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.559 because he had seen the mountain line in Arkansas and Uh, 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:46.920 I asked him, he said something about black panthers, and Uh, anyway, 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.720 long story short, he believes in black panthers. Gerald, do 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.280 you have any mountain lion stories? I saw on the 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.960 on the mountain here behind us back. I can't remember 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.200 how many years it is, probably about ten years ago. 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.720 I was stark hunting right on top of the mountain 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.199 and Uh, when I first saw it, I thought it 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.480 was a deer. But then when it started jumping from 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.920 one rock to another, that I knew it was a cat. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:16.720 But what was ironic about all that? Just within days 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.760 there was an article in the local paper that's some 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.680 I'm thinking if I recall, it was some biologist to 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:31.240 sit and if anyone saw any mountain lions and cougars 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:36.000 to uh had a phone number or whatever to a 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.000 police call that number. Do you call them? Don't recall 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.120 I don't. I don't recall if I did or not. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.959 I may have, but I really thought this a little bit. 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.000 They had seen some or knew about something. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.640 would you be would you fall into the category of 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.360 someone that believed that there were mountain lions here before 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.800 you saw one? Like when you saw what? Did it 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.240 confirm what you already knew? Or did it surprise you? 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.480 It's not a surprise me, but not a great law 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.720 because I won't be surprised to any type. I don't 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:16.840 allow the while. I mean, it might surprise me initially, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.319 but I guess what I'm getting at is like, growing 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:23.160 up in these mountains, did people believe there were mountain 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.600 lions out here? Well, when we're talking about mountain lion 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.360 and talking about what we also call it cougar cougar, 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.679 I don't think they believed that. But now we had panthers, 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:42.480 the smaller black cats. Okay, yeah, really, here's my man. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.680 Tell me tell me about that, because that's that's what 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.920 Dad's had. It's all about that. Why do you where 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.320 have you heard that? Tell me the origin of that? 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.600 James gave a thumbs up too, So he's on board 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:59.160 the black the black cats, the panthers. Well, where lived 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:03.400 then was m down't in Montgommer County. Still don't watched 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:08.360 all mountains, but in the uh late summertime, maybe around 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.559 August whatever, when it will be dry. Well, for some 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.880 reason the cats would come down or thought, I said, 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.600 the cats and maybe it was just one and uh 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:23.200 start there screaming and it was spooked the horses and 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.520 things like that, you know, but it really spooked that. 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.960 You never seen one though, I never have seen one myself, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:34.440 but now people, uh other people saw them and people 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:39.280 that see yeah, and I believed yeah, absolutely, yeah. Uh James, 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:43.440 what do you think about? Well? Number one, have you 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.840 ever seen a mountain lion like a tan? Have you 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.880 really tell me about that? I d can I start 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:55.400 back with the panthers. First, I live with my grandparents, uh, 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:59.640 and we'd go to town once the week Saturday. Which 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.120 is it? I mean the paved road now, but it 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:04.440 was just dirt road. Do you get over the mountain 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.240 toward the Dallas and on that mountain At different times 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.000 we've seen him across the road. Sometimes we won, and 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.200 a lot of times they're two and they were black, 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.240 beautiful animals, but it just gives you child months to 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.800 see one, and always down to see them across the road, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.880 you know, head where they're going off the mountain or 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:31.600 coming up the mountain. With several times I was the 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.560 best sources I've heard. I mean, we're gonna have to 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:38.320 get these guys, some believers had we might need to 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:43.160 get them to church to repair their sins. That could 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:48.240 be stretching the truth. Well, I'm the only survivor my 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:53.520 grandmother and my granddad. Uh. But I won't say regular bases, 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:57.800 but pretty frequent so and it's on Saturday, because we 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.800 always went down on Saturday, parked with the same spot 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.800 that grocery shop. We'd come back home on the gravel 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:07.520 road over the mountain that paved now and we'd see 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:14.440 him on top crossing the road. Several times, uh mountain 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:18.680 last to tan ones would crowd. No, I was su 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.520 I was grown before. I've seen them, the cougar. They 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.840 always just called these panthers. Pretty pretty pretty animals if 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.320 you look at it that way, kind of give your 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:32.600 Chillbut from the saying, um, I've seen him across the roads, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.640 the cougars, Uh, I was hunting them down the road 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.600 in Montgomery County and my son and uh, there in 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.200 the rut, don't come by, buck come by. I shot 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.360 the buck and then another buck come back. So my 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.880 boy was further down the mountains. So I got got 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.000 him and brought him back up, and then I was 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.000 going to move my bronco around where the access would 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.120 be easier to get it off. I get back up 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.560 there and he said, you miss something. What do you 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.000 mean he's should go down there and look at your 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.600 deer that panthered come up the holler. And he said 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.600 it was just an all but calling sneaking up on 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.880 that deer and it grab grab What I mean, it's 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.399 done major damage to the deer trying to drag it 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:16.040 back down the hollar. Huh uh, give me anything. We've 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.840 had a camera phones in, but that's been twenty years ago, 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:23.960 thirty years ago. Yeah. Uh, but I've seen him. I've 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:29.959 seen him. Oh over them deer hunting, seen him come 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:35.520 through and that there's a lot of dog hunters back then, 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:38.600 and I had them a cougar to come by with 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.200 a dog there him. M hm. Really, so you've seen 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.280 the deer dogs running a mountain with the cougar come through, 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.160 and then I could hear the dogs coming and they 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.760 they brought it onto I mean the dogs obviously catching it. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:59.000 Um big black, No, this was cougar. Big. Of course 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:03.000 you're probably play but all dogs will not run a cat, 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.040 just I mean, like your deer dogs. You might out 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.080 of four or five, you might have one that would 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:14.760 run a cat, but the rest someone will follow, follow 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.679 the lead dog, but they don't pursue it very fast. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.240 Did you grew up hunting deer with dogs? Yes, that 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:26.919 was the only way we knew. I think that was 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.640 more or less out of it, well, abstually the culture then, 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.879 and uh, probably out of necessity because they were so 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.320 few deer that you almost had to have a dog 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.560 to locate them. When I started hunting, it's probably about 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.840 nineteen fifties, but we had two deer seasons then. The 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:50.760 first one was the second week, and November started on 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.080 a Monday. I went through a Saturday. You did not 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.760 hunt on Sunday because it was illegal or because your 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:59.960 family wouldn't let you. Well, no, it was an illegal 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:05.159 There was no season, so it goes Monday through Saturday. James, 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.159 did you ever hunt on Sunday? When you weren't supposed to, 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:14.320 don't killing was thinking, that's a loaded question. He said 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:19.640 that this did not help to be truthful before If no, 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:31.280 I never hunted him, I have and I man, yeah, 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:37.159 But anyway, the back to the hunting with dogs, and 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.119 that was just the culture. You know, we knew we 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.600 didn't know any other way to hunt. But I guess 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:46.520 I saw my first turkeys and uh, somewhere in early 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:51.359 nineteen seventies, and I had no idea, and it was raining, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:56.399 and we were driving around during deer season deer hunting, 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.520 and I didn't really know what there were. I saw him. 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.080 They just in there, you know, in the rain. But anyway, 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:06.399 I started turkey hunting and I started seeing deer. I thought, 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.480 you know, a person could deer hunt this way. You 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.160 don't need dogs, you know. Okay, you know that's sitting 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:17.400 around sitting our turkey hunting. And I started seeing deer. 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.320 So anyway, my brother and not hunting together then, and 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:25.280 we had started hunting. Are okay, our dogs is getting old, 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:30.000 and we decided we're going to not have dogs anymore. 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.480 A lot or a lot of trouble if you're never 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:36.920 on hunting dogs. Uh, yeah, it's a it's a but anyway, 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:41.760 so after we didn't have dogs any longer, we started 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:46.080 hunting over in this area here because this homestead here 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.440 I'm talking about part of it hadn't been abandoned then 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.000 there were still some old fields and you know, old 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:54.040 deer hanging out in there. And uh so we started 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.520 we just counted up on top of the mount or 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:58.920 we had a another place up here and pull out 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.840 with company or try, you know, and and would come 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.760 down and hunting this hunt off the ground, hunting terrain 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:09.439 features and stuff. And that was just new. Huh, that 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.840 was it is new because we had we've been hunting 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:16.919 from dollars all the time. We didn't know and uh 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.480 of course that was a little bit before any type 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.159 of climbing stands or anything. But on top of the 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:29.359 mountain here there were remains of some old wooden platform. 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.679 They were probably James people people had been when he 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:37.280 had it on Sunday. Yeah, he never did safe many 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:43.159 black panther. But anyway, that's when I started to just 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.280 uh staying hunting or still hunting for deer. It was 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:51.160 when I started turk hunting, and uh and we never 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.800 looked back, never looked back, and so what we started 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:59.080 doing after that, my brother and UH and those guys 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:04.119 hunting with us, We would wouldn't build ground blinds into 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:08.520 a little saddles and divides and here, you know, I 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:10.679 don't know, just whatever is on the ground, you know, 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:16.000 and sometimes wouldn't be car you know, And so I 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:28.360 wouldn't use those year after year. Yeah, I want to 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.960 talk about two things. I don't know if we can 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.040 cover it all. Um. I want to tell people about 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:40.479 my moose hunt because last the last Barger's Render, like 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.960 I've been on every single Barger's podcast except for the 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:47.119 last one because I was in Alaska and my wife 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:51.359 Misty ran the podcast and they told everybody that I 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.400 was in Alaska moose hunting. So I want to give 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.879 an update. But so much has happened since then. I 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.439 don't know that we can cover it all. Because me 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.720 and justin yesterday had a pretty big adventure in the 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.600 mountains here in Arkansas that ended up with a bear 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.840 getting a ride out of the woods on the back 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:13.080 of a mule. So I want to tell about that too, 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.280 and all you guys were involved in that. Where should 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.840 I start that? And then bears bear, Yeah, I mean 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:21.600 that was phenomenal. Why don't you tell us about that? 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.640 Tell us about and tell who Bear is? Bear John 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.679 ncom my son. Yeah, yeah, Well, you know he's a 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:31.920 sixteen year old kid and Clay has raised him where 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:33.840 he's kind of like a man. I mean, he he 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.359 drove that truck. Judy couldn't my wife couldn't believe it. 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.240 She said, I can't believe they let let Bear drive 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:43.040 it truck with a mule trailer down here by himself 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:46.920 in several hours. Yeah yeah, I mean three it's three 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.719 hour drive with that truck, you know on mules. So anyway, 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:53.879 he drove down here from Fayetteville, and uh, you know 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:58.439 he went to stand in the first morning. Um, he 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:02.680 had a big bear coming in and you know he's 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:07.480 in the saddle, tethered tree saddle. Okay, that's what kind 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:11.600 of was. It's pretty good climbing, isn't it. Yeah? Yeah, 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:15.520 And uh sure enough. I think so much about when 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.920 y'all hunted in Oklahoma. In in in there were two 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.119 big bears. They eventually ended up being five fifty and 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.280 I'd say a minimum of six fifty two bears coming 0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:29.200 in and I don't care where are you hunted. I mean, 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.000 they had two or three different locations best I remember, 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:36.359 And the first morning it seemed like every time those 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:40.080 bear would come in and show themselves and turn around 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:44.439 the leave. So the big bears they don't like any 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:48.879 hint of human odor. And so bear goes in there 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:53.520 and course he's he climbs up in his tree and 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:57.040 his bear comes in three forty pounds fill dress, so 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:03.080 you know, weighs four ten big bear. And uh, the 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:09.960 bear comes in, turns around and leaves, smells him. Can 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.480 I tell you what he did? Oh? I know what 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:16.240 he did? Tell us? Well, you know, Clay and I 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:20.040