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Speaker 1: M. My name is Clay and Nukeleman. This is a

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Speaker 1: production of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the bear Grease Render Podcast. My oh my,

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Speaker 1: do we have an incredible show for you today. So

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Speaker 1: I am. We're sitting around a nice white oak wood

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Speaker 1: campfire in the in the mountains of Arkansas and we've

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Speaker 1: got an eclectic group of guests today Today is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a little bit different. So for those of you

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Speaker 1: the bargar Rease Podcast is what justin, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how you describe. The barg Rease Podcast is a documentary

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Speaker 1: stole podcast. We have multiple guests, very polished and produced

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Speaker 1: whatever we're talking about. The bargar Rease Render is this

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Speaker 1: which what is this? Justin? This is a discussion about

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Speaker 1: the polished podcast, right, and it's a random group of people,

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Speaker 1: but today, it's not so random. So typically on the

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Speaker 1: render we would discuss the previous week's podcast, and we're

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna do that today though, We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: something a little bit different because we've had some pretty

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Speaker 1: of men here that I will introduce from left to right.

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Speaker 1: To my left is Justin Michow. Justin, Welcome brother. Than

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Speaker 1: you tell us, tell everybody what you do. I am

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Speaker 1: a photographer and videographer. Who do you work for you?

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Speaker 1: That's right? Different brands across Can you tell us some

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Speaker 1: of the brands? We eat our first light, lacrosse dinner

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Speaker 1: or text? So your professional videographer, professional photographer. You live

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Speaker 1: in the great state of New York, Western New York.

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Speaker 1: You told me that your kids the first day of school.

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Speaker 1: The other day I had to like tell about themselves.

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Speaker 1: What would you say about yourself? If you were in

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Speaker 1: things about yourself that make you special? What would you say?

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Speaker 1: Do I need Do I have to name five? Well?

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Speaker 1: Just I like biscuits and gravy because from South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: Well you knew that would come up your deer hunter.

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Speaker 1: I'm a deer hunter. Love coffee, love what I do

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Speaker 1: for a job doesn't feel like quirk. I love my wife.

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Speaker 1: Is my anniversary? Oh wow? Yeah? How many? How many years? Two? Congratulations? Man?

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Speaker 1: You know that's big. That is big commitments. Good. She

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Speaker 1: makes it real easy. Good. Well to Justin's left is

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Speaker 1: a man who needs no introduction. On the Beargrease Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I just let James know yesterday Dad that he is

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Speaker 1: a member of the Beargrease Hall of Fame. So, James

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Speaker 1: How you doing, James? Good? Well, we're proud to be inducted. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When I told him, I said, uh. I explained to

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Speaker 1: here are the people that are in it, James Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: And then you know the other guy. It's Warner Glenn

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Speaker 1: at his eyes? Gerald Brewer? Gerald, great, too great to

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Speaker 1: So this is sort of unique that we're where we're

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Speaker 1: all my sent stuff out, and I got some of

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00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: my scent control spray, and I said that now, if

425
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this, you're gonna do it right. And

426
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: this is keep this in mind. I said, this is

427
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: something you don't do for every hunt. This is something

428
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: you do maybe once a year, maybe once every two years.

429
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: But if you got a really big buck, you got

430
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: a really big bear, it's not gonna cost you but

431
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: about an hour's worth of work. And I said, you

432
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: walk to that stand in about a hundred yards or

433
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: whatever you feel comfortable with. You you stripped down. I

434
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: gave him underwear. I said, you stripped down but naked,

435
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: and you take this big old bottle of spray and

436
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: you bathe in it. And when you walk to your staying,

437
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: you either walk in your underwear or you put your

438
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: pants on, but don't put shirts and stuff on. I

439
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: gave him two pair of gloves. And you guys out

440
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: there in radio land can laugh at this, but I'm

441
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: telling you you're wrong, Steve Ronnella, You're wrong. So anyway,

442
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: so uh, he I asked him later, I said, did

443
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: you do everything I told you to? He said, I

444
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: did it almost to the teeth. So I said, when

445
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: you get to that stand, don't put your tops on

446
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, either at the base of the

447
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: tree if it's not too hot, you know, I mean,

448
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: put it at the base. And I said, when you

449
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: go up that ladder, don't be using your hands. Use

450
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: this pair of sink gloves. You go up to stand

451
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: and you got your you got your spray in your

452
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 1: pocket and it was a big bottle. And uh. And

453
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: I said, once you get up there, you put all

454
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: you spray down again everywhere, and you tell I got

455
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: him the odor, I said, you you do your arms,

456
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: the back of your neck, your stirringham, back of your legs,

457
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: whatever you you know, there's places. And I said, once

458
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: you get up there, you just drench yourself again and

459
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: then spray your boots. I had him a good pair

460
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: of lacrosse boots that didn't have the phone on them,

461
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, which is that's not a big deal. But

462
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go this much trouble, do right. So

463
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: he had to lacrosse boots and and uh the birdie

464
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: And so he gets up and the stand sprays down,

465
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: and I said, about every five or ten minutes, shoot

466
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: that stuff around, and and sure enough that sucker came

467
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: in and he killed hey. And you know what those

468
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: big bear I mean. I heard so many stories of

469
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: y'all having those big bear come in. And when did

470
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: you kill that five? When you got sent free? But

471
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: instead of spending three hundred dollars on this stuff I gave,

472
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: I just gave him that stuff. I said, hey, man,

473
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: you kill that bear, you can just keep all that stuff.

474
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: And so that bear that you killed, you did not

475
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: kill it until you were sent free. And how did

476
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: you get sent free? You spent about seven thousand dollars

477
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: that I sent free blind. That's what the first time

478
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: I hunted out of a red neck blind for this

479
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: big bear, where after I killed him the first time hunt.

480
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: So sent is a hundred percent the limiting factor on

481
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: big bears. So I've got nothing to refute. But you know,

482
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: I sitting there, looked bear. If that wind even what

483
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: you're doing, If if that bear, if you got the

484
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: wind to your back and it's blowing to that bear,

485
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: you're probably still going to get detected. But if that

486
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, if the wind is anywhere, you know, thermal's

487
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 1: going up. If there's no wind at all, that bear

488
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: will come right under your stand. Yeah, and that's exactly

489
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: what happened. Man, in my world is just spending backwards

490
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: today between the black Panthers sent control and I'm just

491
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: ready to just be like, well, yeah, Clay. When we

492
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: were in Canada, Clay was barking about sent control and

493
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, uh, yesterday we were like drowned rats in

494
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: that blind because every ten fifteen minutes he'd be like,

495
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: can I spray you can spread? Yeah? I was hoping

496
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: you were doing that, and I wanted to tell you

497
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: we we did and it it Uh you know, we're

498
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: we're hiking in a mile and a half and so,

499
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean we were covered in sweat and it was

500
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: just I just didn't know how to not do that.

501
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: But once we got in there, we had some sense

502
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: sent shield spray and I mean we just bade their

503
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: said we had sent free wipes that we wiped down.

504
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 1: You know, that help and it you know, we had

505
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: we still had bears smelling us. But well, and I

506
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: can just a little bit more about bears bear and

507
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: then we'll tell our story. But so bear kills this

508
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: big bear, you know, probably close to foreign pounds actually,

509
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to take away weight from

510
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: bears bear. But they say that a field dress bear

511
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: his gut's only way about thirteen percent of his field dress. Really,

512
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: I was thinking low, Well, I know it seems low,

513
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: and I've never really verified it with like that number.

514
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: Just every he says it and nobody verified. I mean,

515
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: maybe some guy who didn't know was the one that

516
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 1: said that. I want to hear a real bear. Biologists

517
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: say I have weighed a hundred and eighty different bears

518
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: and they all come into the thirteent range. I've never

519
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: heard that. Just that's what people repeat that forty pounds.

520
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, so it's usually the guts are potentially a

521
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: lot less than what you might think. And his his bear,

522
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: by the way, had very little fat, right James, Yeah, yeah,

523
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't a fat bear. This bear was

524
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: lean and mean I mean if he would have had

525
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: what two or three inches of fat all, you know,

526
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: he he would have been a really really monster. So

527
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: you know he shot this bear and kill it with

528
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: his bow. It killed it with his bow, and I

529
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: mean it it did the moan and it just went

530
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: what thirty five yards probably maybe thirty probably thirty and

531
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: uh so, And this is something that I've come to

532
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: believe on the bear moan is that you know you

533
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: hear guys, well, you know mine didn't moan. You know. Well,

534
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: what I've noticed is if you kill that bear on

535
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: the spot, he's dead, he's running dead, he's gonna moan.

536
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: So if you get if you get a marginal shot

537
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: where the bear is gonna die, but he's gonna run

538
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: a hundred yards. I mean, he might bear moan out

539
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: there as he's dying, but you're not gonna hear it.

540
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: But these bear that you've killed it I've been around

541
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: and bears bear and when I hear guys tell stories,

542
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: this one you kill yesterday. It did a little moaned,

543
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: but it felt fell real quick. And so you got

544
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: to seventy four year old guys out there helping bear

545
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: get that bear out of the woods. And uh, I

546
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: don't know what James thought. You know, I was thinking

547
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: James wouldn't he'd have a better way of doing it.

548
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: But I had a hundred foot rope and you hadt

549
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: of strap in there, and we just backed the truck

550
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: in as close as we could tie it on. It

551
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: a little bit bear out and uh, you know, how

552
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: did y'all get it in the truck? How do we do?

553
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: What James had is back up where the tailgate was

554
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: almost flat with a side of just kind of rolled

555
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: it in. Yeah, well they're hard to move when they're

556
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: that big. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We had bear too, I

557
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: mean a little bear man that agrees. Oh yeah, yeah,

558
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: we got he just right up to the truck and

559
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: he fell out. We actually, okay, I gotta say. Brent

560
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: Reeves claims He claims that he was totally out of

561
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: the loop on because Brent was over there and he

562
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: he showed me the text messages he had with Bear

563
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: about how anyway Brent wasn't there, So yeah, I mean

564
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: we can't count on Brent. Brent blamed, Brent blamed the

565
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: communication skills of the nucoms on him not being there. Uh,

566
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: since Brent as a here, Uh, I will say, there's

567
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: a few other ideas that I had about that. I

568
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: called him talking to him and he said he ain't

569
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: coming up there. Yeah, uh no, not really, No, he

570
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: had a good he it was just miscommunication and there

571
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: was there. Brent was out of cell range and we

572
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: were or y'all were in I was in Alaska. What

573
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: was wild is that I am on my end reach

574
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: in Alaska on trying to navigate flying out and people

575
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: are tech misty saying have you heard from Bear? And

576
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm like no, and Brent I think Brent even texted me.

577
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm right in the middle of it, man,

578
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: and I'm telling the whole meat eat or crew what's

579
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: going on? All week while we were in Alaska. I

580
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: was talking about, you know that while I was missing

581
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: bear hunting, and I was talking to him about my

582
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: bear pit and uh oh, everybody was rooting for Bear

583
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: and Steve Ron Ella and Sam Bates and Dirt myth

584
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: my cameraman. I mean they were like getting played by plays.

585
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: He's in the stand wins out of the East, you know, bears.

586
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: It bears message in me from his cell phone to

587
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: my end reach in Alaska, and uh oh, I couldn't

588
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: really mose hunt for and I it. I told Mr.

589
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: I said, it stressed me out when he killed it

590
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: because I knew that Dad and James were the only

591
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: ones there to help him get it out. And I

592
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: was I was worried about you guys man. Yeah, if

593
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: if that bear had gone a hundred yards tunerd yards,

594
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you. We just quartered it up,

595
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: and well, hey, that's what I was gonna say. You know,

596
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: as good as bear is that skin and stuff. I

597
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: told him he should have just quartered it up right

598
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: there in the spot. That's what I would have done

599
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: rather than because it just increases the work so much,

600
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, to move him. I just quartered him up.

601
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's pretty good. We had to tie it

602
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: to a tree, just get it. Yeah, I get his

603
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: legs up. Oh, it was steep, steep. Yeah. We tried,

604
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: he tried to hold it. Finally we just tied it

605
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: to trade to feel dress. Yeah, and I took a

606
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: lot of weight off. It was. It was quite the ordeal,

607
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: and I really was proud of Bear. He Bear is

608
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: not a man of many words. Humble kid and uh.

609
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: When I was going to Alaska, my Alaska trip overlapped

610
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: the intense time period before opening day when you were

611
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: baiting bears. And and anybody that's never bated bears welcome

612
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: to not being in the know of how much work

613
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: goes into the most work of anything I do is

614
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: baiting bears. You know, people think baiting bears for lazy

615
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: guys that don't want to get out in the woods.

616
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha. Most work I do is baby bears.

617
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: And so I wasn't gonna be here for most of it,

618
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,479
Speaker 1: and so Bear he's going to school during the week.

619
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: But there were two saturdays that I said, Bear, I

620
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: need you to go bait my bears in the place

621
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm baiting. We can't drive into it, there's no vehicular access,

622
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: and so you gotta take the mules and we haul

623
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: bait in on the mules, and it it is an

624
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: expedition to leave where we live drive there. I mean,

625
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: it's an all day deal. You gotta catch mules. You

626
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: gotta pack the right tack, You gotta pack the right

627
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: bear bait. You gotta know how to handle those mules

628
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: and not hurt yourself. I mean there's just a you

629
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: gotta driving to the access point. I mean you're in

630
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: and out of four wheel drive and crossing creeks and

631
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: navigating rough terrain and and uh, just in even in

632
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: the truck, halling the trailer, and uh, so I knew

633
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: Bear could do it. And uh he took one of

634
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: his buddies one one Saturday, and uh and they went

635
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: in there and took in probably five pounds of bait

636
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: on those mules and baited it. He said, they were

637
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: in there like twelve minutes. You know, I said, I told,

638
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: I gave him real specific I said, I don't want

639
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: you in there in the morning. I don't want you

640
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: in there in the afternoon. I want you in there

641
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: between eleven and one o'clock. So that means you're gonna

642
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: have to leave our house at six o'clock in the morning,

643
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, Like I really gave him some specifics, and

644
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: he did it. And then the next time he went

645
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: in by himself. The next Saturday, he didn't have help

646
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: because it was the day he was hunting and he

647
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: went in there by himself. So anyway, I was real

648
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: proud of him. He did good. You know, I think

649
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: about me being that age, I would be telling my grandfather.

650
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I drove as thinking truck down with those mules,

651
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: I passed cars, you know what I mean. I'd be

652
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: bragging about it. He never said a word even no

653
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: big deal, man. He just came down here and did

654
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: what he had to do. And it's pretty it's pretty cool. Really. Yeah. Well,

655
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: I was proud of him just for executing and and

656
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: getting a good shot on the bear. You know. That's

657
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: what I was coaching him on end reach. I was saying,

658
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: don't take anything but a broadside shot of a standing bear.

659
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: Don't get too high, you know. I didn't want him

660
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: to get up twenty five ft and have a real

661
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: sharp shot angle. He was wanting to get back like

662
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: twenty five yards from the bat, and I told him

663
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: that's too far. I said, you don't want to take

664
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: a twenty five yard shot, Get into about eighteen yards,

665
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: get up about eighteen ft and uh, you know he

666
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: could have got up higher for cent, but boy, when

667
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: you started getting a super steep shot angle. You just

668
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: it's tough. And so he did everything right. You know,

669
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: the bear bait was where he had some limbs in

670
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: the way, so he positioned some of that bait where

671
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: the bear would move just a little out so he'd

672
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: have a shot. And that bear walked up exactly where

673
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: he wanted it to and stuck one arm in the

674
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: bait barrel, which opened up his vital cavity. And man,

675
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: he just stuck at broadhead slick trick right right in

676
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: there in the heart. Gerald, you told me something you

677
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: heard bear do, which was a sixteen Yeah, okay. I

678
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: thought this was rather mature of him. He mentioned to

679
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 1: your dad when they were having this conversation here about

680
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: the scent control and everything, and uh, okay, this is

681
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: the first evening he was there hunting and he saw

682
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: the bear, but he thought it scented him in it

683
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: her beard away. But he left something either in the

684
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: tree or in his stand, and I assumed it was

685
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: a piece of clothing mm hmm, because he said the

686
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: bear would uh on the camera it was showing he

687
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: was in there, the bearer than there three or four

688
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: hours every night. So he left that so that the

689
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: bearer will get used to his sin. I'm assuming that.

690
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: I thought that real smart of him. Yeah, well that's good.

691
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: He just blew my sink control deal forget it, guys,

692
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: that's why I did it. Yeah, I was gonna say that.

693
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, but i've I've always thought what he

694
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: did was very smart. And I thought about, uh, you know,

695
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: I've madeed bard here at my place and you and

696
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: I know y'all have done this too. I would i'd

697
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: meet him coming back. You know, they would be heading

698
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: up there. I don't know if they're smelling me, if

699
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: they heard me or hot, you know, but until they

700
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: got used to my presents their somewhat, yeah, they can sometimes. Yeah, well,

701
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: uh what should we do here? Justin? Should we talk

702
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: about the moose? Are bear? That's up to you? Well,

703
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: what's in your heart? Justin? You're my cameraman. Uh, well

704
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: I could tell the moose story because this would be

705
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: number six every person. So Justin guy to Arkansas within

706
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: an hour of me coming back to Arkansas from Alaska.

707
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: So basically I went from that trip to this one

708
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: and so every so Justin has been with me ever

709
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: since I got home with Alaska, like every minute of

710
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: every day basically, and every time I come to somebody new,

711
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: I gotta tell him the Alaska story. So I told

712
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: Misty and the kids. He heard me tell Dad, You

713
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: heard me tell James. So anyway, you've heard the story

714
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: many times. It's a good one. I think you should

715
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: go with that one, go with Alaska. Well. So when

716
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: I we left for Alaska on September seven, and I

717
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: went with Steve Ronnella and we filmed an episode of

718
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: Meat Eaters. So everybody will be able to watch this

719
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: at some point on on Meat Eater season eleven. It's

720
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: undisclosed where it's gonna be Oh my goodness. Yeah, it's

721
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: kind of like the Black Panther, that's right. Yeah, so

722
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: much mystique around this. So what we did. What we

723
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: did was what they call a ridge hunt, which it's

724
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: a fly in camp where we and it was a

725
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: do it yourself hunt. So we were with what they

726
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: call a transporter, so there was no guide, no outfitter.

727
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: But basically you hire bush planes to take you into

728
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: a spot and uh and kind of the what you

729
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: know is that they're taking you into a spot that's

730
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: gonna be decent and have moose. But they don't tell

731
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: you anything. They legally can't. They just drop you off

732
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: and uh, you know they don't. They don't say, hey,

733
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: you should camp over there, and the moose are gonna

734
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: come from here. You know. It's it's it's uh, do

735
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: it yourself. It's it's called a ridge hunt because it's

736
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: the area we were in was rolling hills, with the

737
00:44:54,239 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: highest mountains in the area being about four four the

738
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: four hundred feet or so in the river bottoms being

739
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: about three thousand. Now often the distance, you know, sixty

740
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: miles away, you could see white capped mountains, big big

741
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Alaskan mountains. But basically these airplanes can land in certain

742
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: areas on these ridges. They can't land down in the tundra.

743
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: And the area consists of big spruce thickets, which would

744
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: just be big green patches of woods, and then willow thickets,

745
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: which you're gonna be smaller trees but thick, super thick,

746
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: and then there's tundra. So I mean, that's a that's

747
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: a general description of the type of terrain. You either

748
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: gonna have spruce, willow and aspen or tundra. And the

749
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: tundra can have blueberries, cranberries and crowberries in it a

750
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 1: lot of it. You wouldn't believe the amount of blueberries

751
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: cranberries that were I mean everywhere, we all were covered

752
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: in stains of berries and just random places just because

753
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: you know, you sit on the ground every where you go,

754
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: so I mean you you just sit on blueberries. You

755
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: everybody had blueberry stains on their knees and had a

756
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: blueberries blueberry stains on my backpack where I leaned down

757
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: on the ground. Um, we ate black blueberries the whole time,

758
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, But but when they drop you in these camps. Basically,

759
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: when you're moose hunting, you're limited to how far you

760
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: can go after a moose based upon how easily you

761
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: can get it back to your camp, because this thing

762
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: is gonna weigh between you know, a thousand and fifteen

763
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: hundred pounds um, and so it's an incredible amount of

764
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: work to get the meat back to the airstrip because

765
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: that's where you gotta get it. So basically, it's not

766
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: like elk hunting. When your elk hunt, you might walk

767
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: fifteen miles and you're looking for one and an elk

768
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: because just enough smaller that you know, you might have

769
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: a big, heavy pack out, but you can pretty much

770
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: get one out a couple of guys of about anywhere. Um,

771
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: a moose is just enough bigger than an elk that

772
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: most moose hunters would say they're not going to shoot

773
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: a moose much past a mile beyond their camp. So

774
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: you're out in this huge wilderness and you can't go

775
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: to a lot of moose that you can see because

776
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: you're you're the best spot that we had for glassing.

777
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: So you have your camp tucked away somewhere where it's secluded.

778
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: And we were kind of out of the wind behind

779
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: a little bluff, and we would walk out every day

780
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: from our camp and go to one of two glassing spots.

781
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: One of the glass and spots was about a mile

782
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: from our camp, but you could see it from our camp.

783
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: It was a big gravelly knob about a mile away

784
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: through open tundra. It looked like you could just walk

785
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: over there in ten minutes, but it was took forever

786
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: to get there. The other one was just over the ridge,

787
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: and from these glass and spots you could see for

788
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: miles and I mean that, uh, you could you could

789
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: see across this river. We were overlooking a river that

790
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 1: was one point nine miles away and you could see

791
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: all the mountains clear as a bell on the other

792
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: side of the river, and you could glass him. You know,

793
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: we had good optics, you know, spotting scopes and binos

794
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: on tripods, and so you just sat there for hours

795
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: every day, literally all day, and just glass and you

796
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: just you just learned every nuance of the land. We saw.

797
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: The first night we were there, we saw a pack

798
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: of fourteen black wolves across the river, jet black, fourteen

799
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: of them. Wow. I'd asked Steve if he had ever

800
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: seen anything. I mean, it's the first night we were there.

801
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: It was a first animals that we saw. Uh and uh.

802
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: Steve was on the other side of the mountain and

803
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: I was glassing and saw him and I said wolves.

804
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: And there were five of them and I was like one, two,

805
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: three for five black wolves. Wow, I can't believe it.

806
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: And they were going through open tundra and they just

807
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: kept coming just more more more more, Brobably, they were

808
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: fourteen in the line. Every one of them looked the

809
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: exact same. And Steve came over and looked at him.

810
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: And Steve has a vast amount of experience in Alaska

811
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: and the West and the wolf country, and asked him

812
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: if he'd ever seen anything like that, and he said no,

813
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: he said he's seen you know, usually you see three

814
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: or five. You know, five would be pretty decent sized.

815
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: But and we saw them multiple times and they played

816
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: like German shepherds out in that tundra. They just wrestled

817
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: and wagged their tails and fight and then you'd you'd

818
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: you'd see one sitting down on his haunches and throw

819
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: his head back and how. And then about five seconds

820
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: later you'd hear, oh, you hear him how, and you'd

821
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: be watching him. I mean, it isn't eat. We watched

822
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: him for We saw him at least three different times,

823
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: and they stayed right in that area. But so back

824
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: to moose. When you're moose hunting, you're hunting the rut,

825
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: you're hunting the moose rut, and basically you're trying to

826
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: call these moose to you. And when it's just like

827
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: any it's just like turkey hunting. It's in a lot

828
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: of ways and just like the elk hunters say, and

829
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a big I'm not a good elk hunter,

830
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: but you're hoping that the moose are doing what they're

831
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. And responding to calls, and sometimes

832
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: they do and sometimes they don't. And basically, during our

833
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: time there, the moose weren't responding to calls that good,

834
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: and uh, the moose weren't moving around. We kind of

835
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: had these local moose that we were watching that just

836
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: kind of were living there and they were there when

837
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: we got there. And what when you know it's really

838
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: good is when every day you wake up and there's

839
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: new moose in your area, or you see a moose

840
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: two miles away that's moving and he just they're you know,

841
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: they're just on the prowl. And and we did not

842
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: see that until the last day. Basically, we messed around

843
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: with these local moose that didn't want to come to

844
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: our calls for for eight days and we uh, it

845
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: was so cool because you'd be looking at a moose

846
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: like one point two miles away one one of our

847
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: best spots where we watched what I believed was a

848
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: sixty inch moose, watched him for five days but couldn't

849
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: didn't want to move in on him because we thought

850
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: we could call him to us. You would, you'd be

851
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: looking at him and you would call moose, call just

852
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: with your mouth, you know, just a loud and he'd

853
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: be looking a different way, and then a few seconds afterwards, he'd,

854
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, he'd he'd look at you and just he'd

855
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, acknowledge it and that he could hear you

856
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: from that far, which is pretty wild. But finally on

857
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: the last day, day number nine, we woke up and

858
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: there were we saw several moves. We tried to work

859
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: some moose. Nothing happened, and we had to leave the

860
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: next day. We had to leave the next day. Um oh,

861
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: we're getting some more fire here or wood on the

862
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: fire with the airplanes were coming at seven thirty the

863
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: next day. This is day number nine. We are at

864
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: at noon on day number nine, we were basically done.

865
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: We had to be done. And uh. We we basically

866
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: shot the final scene of the video where Steve and

867
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: I were frustrated and just kind of like, man, we tried,

868
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: we had all this and there were a couple of

869
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 1: stocks that were almost killed one one day four, Steve

870
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: had a couple of close calls but nothing ever happened.

871
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 1: And so we we shot the Indian scene of the film,

872
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: and I mean, we're just bummed that we had uh

873
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a strange feeling. I mean, you

874
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: guys know it when you invest that much time and energy.

875
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't just go to Alaska and be

876
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: gone five days. I mean, this is like a thirteen

877
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: day trip, which is the biggest commitment of my year.

878
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: And uh, and you know, I mean I didn't really

879
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: expect to kill a moose, So it's not like I

880
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: was disappointed that since, but this sense of you just

881
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: worked so hard and you don't really have much to

882
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: show for it other than just an experience, which is

883
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: a good I mean, we're all used to that and

884
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: okay with that, but it's still kind of a bummer. Well,

885
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: that afternoon, one of the producers of the show said, hey,

886
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: we really can't kill him moose, Like we're done because

887
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: if we killed one, we don't have time to get

888
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,959
Speaker 1: it out before we got to leave. And Steve looked

889
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: at his name is Chester, my friend Chester. Steve looked

890
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: at Chester with kind of a grimace and said, we'll

891
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: figure that if it happens. And uh, after the morning

892
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: hunt and we're done, the whole crew is sitting in

893
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: a tent with a wood stove in it, just talking about,

894
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, how we're gonna go home without a moose.

895
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: And Steve walked in at four sixteen and said, Clay,

896
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk up to the porcupine. And we named

897
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: the out of this big Holla porcupine because they've seen

898
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: a porcupine there. Of all things, he was he wasn't

899
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: saying Clay, come with me, cameramen, come with me. He

900
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: was just gonna go on a walk. And I said

901
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: I'll go with you, Steve, and so I jump up

902
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: and so here's our two hunters walking out and we

903
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: weren't like Steve wasn't even gonna tell the cameraman to come.

904
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: But because they're good guys, Dirt Myth his name is.

905
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: His name is Garrett Smith, but he goes by Dirt Myth.

906
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: Dirt Myth is his name. Um, Dirt goes, well, I'll come,

907
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: and they everybody goes, you're gonna bring a camera, and

908
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: he's like, ah, I guess I might as well. And

909
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: then so when he did that, Laura and the other

910
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: cameraman who was a great guy, said well, I I'll

911
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: go to you're gonna bring a camera, I guess I will.

912
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: And we had unloaded our packs and took all our

913
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 1: gear out that we needed to process moose. We didn't

914
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: have bags, we didn't didn't have you know, some of

915
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: the guys didn't have headlamps. We didn't have I mean,

916
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: we were just preparing to go. But we took our

917
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: rifles and cameras and went to the porcupine. How far

918
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: is that? Probably a half mile from where we were,

919
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: and uh we got up and sat on porcupine and

920
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: glass and glass and glass, and we had not seen

921
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: a single bull, moose and porcupine in nine days. So

922
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: I why Steve wanted to go there, I don't know,

923
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, he just probably because we we hadn't been

924
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: there in a day or two. Well, we're sitting there

925
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: and dirt myth goes, what is that way out there?

926
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: And we look across the tundra, probably four miles way

927
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: out in the river flats, and we see a big

928
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: black object moving. You could see it. I actually don't

929
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: know if you could see it with your naked eye,

930
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: but I put the binos up in it looked like

931
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: a It looked like an argo. Steve Ronella pulls his

932
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: bottos up and said, that's an argo. That's not a moose.

933
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 1: And then I said, no, I think I see horns

934
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: on it, and Lauren said, no, that's the cowboy hat

935
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: of the driver. And when he when he said it,

936
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: he looked at it. You're like, it kind of does

937
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: look like an argo with a man wearing a cowboy

938
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: hat front. Anyway, Steve pulls out the spot and he's going,

939
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: sure enough, it's a big bull moose just hooking it

940
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: across the tundra, and Steve goes, we could call that

941
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: bull moose in if he was over here close. It

942
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: was the first time we'd seen a cruising bull, so

943
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: that that was the indicator. It was the first time

944
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: we just saw one just plowing across the tundra looking

945
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,479
Speaker 1: for the cat. That was fun to see, but way

946
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: out of play. I mean, just as well have been

947
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: on a different planet just started. When you are fixing

948
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: the leaf basically, that's well, not five minutes after we

949
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: saw the Argo bull, one of the caraman sees a

950
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: bull directly below us, like within play, like eight nine

951
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: hundred yards away. Eight. If you're within eight hundred yards

952
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: of a moose out there, you're it's like being within

953
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: thirty yards of a deer here. I mean like eight

954
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: hundred yards is like, wow, we're close. To that thing

955
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: big country. Well, we see a moose and look at it,

956
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: and it's a small moose and the legal moose has

957
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: to be fifty inches wide or have four brow times.

958
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: This bull clearly was not legal, but it was cool

959
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: that we saw a bull. There's a bull. We watched

960
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: him and we called to him. Didn't acknowledge us, but

961
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: the bull just kind of disappears. Well, not three minutes

962
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: later after that, I spotted a single paddle of a

963
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: bull twelve hundred and forty seven yards away, just sticking

964
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: up out of a spruce thicket, and I said, man,

965
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: there's a bull right there. We all look at Steve

966
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: goes Man, that's a big one. That's a legal one.

967
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: We call at it and rake, but would you take

968
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: a stick? And Steve had a an oil can, like

969
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: a plastic oil bottle like from Walmart, cut the butt

970
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: of it out, stuck a stick into the spout, taped

971
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: it and had a little handheld And if you can

972
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: imagine an open ended plastic oil can raking it up

973
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: and down trees sounds incredible. And uh he he started

974
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: raking and I started calling and that we saw that

975
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: bull one time. Acknowledge that it heard our call but disappeared. Well,

976
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: Steve looks at b we've got two hours of daylight left.

977
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: The planes are coming at seven thirty am. And uh

978
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: and and and basically I don't remember exactly who said what,

979
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: but basically we were like, it's the last day of season.

980
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: Let's go. And so we just bailed off the mountain,

981
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: going to him and man, when you bail off a

982
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: mountain over there, it's a commitment. And I'll be honestly,

983
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,479
Speaker 1: I was. The whole time. I was thinking, every step

984
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: we're taking down this mountain, we're gonna have to walk

985
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: back up. And we were moving fast, and we were

986
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: just plowing down the mountain and we gained about three

987
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards and so now we're about nine hundred yards

988
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: from where we saw the moose, and Steve climbs up

989
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: a dead spruce tree about twelve ft and his glassing

990
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: over the willows, trying to see if this bull's coming,

991
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: and he can't see it. And we sat there for

992
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: ten fifteen minutes. Call Rake and we think we're gonna

993
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: be able to see this bull if he's coming. We

994
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: see nothing. And so after fifteen minutes we look at

995
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 1: each other just with our hands up and just go, well,

996
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess he's just like all the other

997
01:00:54,920 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: bulls and just didn't gonna come. And directly we heard

998
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: the brush cracking about a hundred yards to our left,

999
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean like big stuff breaking, and all of us

1000
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: were like, there's a bull coming, and he's right here.

1001
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: So Steve and I kneel down behind a tree or

1002
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: behind the fallen log. And about the time we're getting

1003
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: out down, we can see the We can see the

1004
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 1: bushes swaying because these bulls, huge animals, big horns coming

1005
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: through these willow thickets thick. I mean, they're just pushing

1006
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: over brush intentionally making noise. And he's out there by

1007
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: a hundred yards and we start seeing the trees move

1008
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: and then you start seeing flashes of horn and I

1009
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: mean he's coming, and uh, we assume it's the big

1010
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: bull that we just saw, and um, as soon as

1011
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: it kind of comes into view, we see that it's

1012
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: a little moose. It's like that thirty inch moose that

1013
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: we probably saw at the beginning. And it comes in

1014
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: the nineteen yards and just stares at us, and it's

1015
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: still kind of behind the bushes, and we're excited to

1016
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: have a mooset close because it's the closest we've been

1017
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: to one all week for the most part of bull.

1018
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: But we're also kind of bummed because it's not legal.

1019
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: And so Steve and I are sitting there side beside

1020
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: and um, and then directly we hear the brush cracking

1021
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: beyond the bull that's standing steel right in front of us.

1022
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: And you know, it took a minute to figure out

1023
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: what was going on, and somebody said one, and we go, oh, man,

1024
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: you're right. Look I see I see the trees moving.

1025
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: Oh wow, get ready, and we know this one's a

1026
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: big one. Steve Rinella had told me. I mean, Steve

1027
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: has been on multiple moose hunts, successful moose hunts, and

1028
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: has never killed a great big moose because he's always

1029
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: letting somebody else shoot. I mean that not always the story,

1030
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: but it and he has killed a moose before, but

1031
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: not a great big one. And uh like there's multiple

1032
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: mediator episodes where someone else shoots, you know, and uh

1033
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: so on this hunt, our agreement was that if a

1034
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: big one came in, he was gonna get to shoot it.

1035
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: And and I I mean he told me that from

1036
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: the beginning, and I was like perfect love it. Yes,

1037
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad to go and be second shooter. I want

1038
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: you to kill big moose, Steve. And so this big

1039
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: one is coming. We know it's legal, we know it's big.

1040
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 1: And just to clarify, because both of us are sitting

1041
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: there with guns, and one time before in the hunt,

1042
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: he had said, Clay, you shoot when we thought something

1043
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: might pan out. So just to clarify, said Steve, you're

1044
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: shooting the bull. I'll back up. And I mean this,

1045
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: this bull is is coming. I mean like we can.

1046
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: We're now seeing him. He's getting closer, and he looks

1047
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: at me and he says, no, you shoot, and I

1048
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: go this is all on camera, so you'll be able

1049
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: to see it at some point. And and I said,

1050
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: I said, no, Steve, that's a big bull. You shoot

1051
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: the bull. And now the thing is like probably forty

1052
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: yards coming, and and he goes, I'll never forget it.

1053
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean it was like he was mad at me.

1054
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: He said, Klaite, get out there and kill that bull.

1055
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean he stuck a figure up and just just

1056
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: I mean something had to have. Somebody had to dictate

1057
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: what was gonna happen. And so I mean the bulls

1058
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: right there. I wasn't gonna argue a second time, and

1059
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: so I said okay, and there was a there was

1060
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: a dead spruce, said, falling over about five six ft

1061
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: in front of me that had a big fork. The

1062
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: roots made the perfect fork, and so the bull couldn't

1063
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: see me. But I needed to be a little bit

1064
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: more out in the open, so I just snuck out

1065
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: and knelt behind this big root ball and laid my

1066
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: gun right in that fork. It was just perfect. And man,

1067
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: that sucker showed up about the time that I got

1068
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: my gun up, and uh it, I can't describe to

1069
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: you what it what it's like to see an animal

1070
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: that big, that close, pushing over willows, grunting, moving his

1071
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: head side to side. I mean it really, it was

1072
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: like a dinosas like a stegasaurus. I mean, big old

1073
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: time's coming out off of front of his head. And

1074
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: uh it was thick though, even though he was nineteen yards,

1075
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: it was super thick. And at first I thought he

1076
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: might come into a little opening, and I let him

1077
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: pass when I could have shot because there were some sticks.

1078
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: And then I started looking the way it was going

1079
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: and was like, man, I'm gonna have to shoot through

1080
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: some stuff to kill this moose. But I'm carrying a

1081
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: three wind mag weatherby I know, I got a lot

1082
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: of gun. And basically the next time he came into

1083
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: an opening, I mean, I just shot through a bunch

1084
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: of twigs but as big as your fingers at nineteen

1085
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: year words, and I hit him just right behind his

1086
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: shoulder and he went down on the back end and

1087
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,959
Speaker 1: kind of spun towards us, and I shot him again

1088
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: and he just went down right there when he hit

1089
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: the ground the earthquake, and uh, and man, it was neat.

1090
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: It was neat because Steve, uh let me shoot, Like

1091
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: I really. It wasn't one of those deals where it

1092
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: was like somebody's like you shoot and they're like, oh no,

1093
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: you shoot, and then but you really you want to shoot?

1094
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: I literally I wanted. It wasn't like that. I really

1095
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: wanted Steve to shoot. And I was gonna be thrilled

1096
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: just to be there when it happened, you know. And

1097
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: so that was pretty neat the way that all went down.

1098
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: And and so we've shot it, and then we had

1099
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: we thought we were a long ways from the airstrip,

1100
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: but we pull out our on X and do a

1101
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: line distance on the on X and we're eight hundred

1102
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: yards from airstrip, which is half a mile, So I mean,

1103
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: it really wasn't that far. Small ball he live when

1104
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: he heard the they were coming, he's they were standing

1105
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: side by side. Really, I don't know, I don't know

1106
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: how to explain it. Standing I would like to say that,

1107
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: uh my, I've always like Steve. You can tell he's

1108
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: a quality guy. But that just put the ice it

1109
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: on the cake. I mean, uh, he probably got a

1110
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: real kick out of doing that, but I think it

1111
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: just shows what kind of a guy you're working for. Yeah,

1112
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: and one other thing that I would like to have

1113
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: people that don't know about moose hunting. I was shocked

1114
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: to hear you say that you just don't go even

1115
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: you you got this mile perimeter, you don't go out

1116
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: in there because once you go out there, they'll never

1117
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: come back in there for two or three days. I mean,

1118
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: you you take a position and keep it so when

1119
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: you guys dropped off that mountain, if you'd had another

1120
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: day to go back, they would they would have vacated

1121
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: that place, wouldn't. Hey, that's the principle. The principle is

1122
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: you try to be have as low impact as as

1123
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 1: as be as low impact as possible and just hunker

1124
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: down the guys that are real good at that ridge hunting,

1125
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: that have done it year after year after year. Like

1126
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: for instance, we talked to a guy at the airport

1127
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: before we left that had hunted the same ridge for

1128
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 1: eleven years and they called their ridge um the prison

1129
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: because they they don't let you go on walks. They

1130
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: there's one place that they call from and they go

1131
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: nowhere else other than from their camp to the place

1132
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: they call back and forth like they're just trying to

1133
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: You're just trying to be in this tight little world,

1134
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, and um, yeah, because you can. You go

1135
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: beating around and you blow your moose out. Well, one

1136
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: other thing I thought was interesting. At one point, when

1137
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: it looked like there was not gonna be any success,

1138
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: you guys took off after a moose and violated that principle. Uh.

1139
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, there's no set in concrete deals.

1140
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean staying that, But yeah, a couple a couple

1141
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: of times we it towards later in the week, we

1142
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 1: when they wouldn't respond because the only way that works

1143
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: is if they're responding to your calls. And basically they say,

1144
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 1: if you stay there for ten days, eventually they're gonna respond.

1145
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: And uh, but you know, about day five six, we

1146
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: were like, man, we gotta make something happen because we

1147
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 1: were watching bulls out there. Further that we felt like

1148
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: we could stalk. And every single time you left your camp,

1149
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: you you're a little eric. Excuse me, every time you

1150
01:09:54,080 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: left your little area, you were gravely disappointed that how

1151
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: difficult it is to stalk them because you're you're up

1152
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: on ridge looking down into this stuff and you think

1153
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to see these moves, or you

1154
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: feel like it's low bushes and stuff, and you get

1155
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: in there and it's fourteen foot willows and it looked

1156
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: like it was four ft willows, I mean, and and

1157
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: and just over and over. We would go, oh wow,

1158
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: that that doesn't look too bad, and you'd get down

1159
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: there and it would just be miserable. Alaska is a

1160
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: pretty miserable place. One other one other thing on the

1161
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: ground on foot. One of the thing that I found

1162
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: very interesting is when you're a successful hunter, and I

1163
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: feel like you guys will agree with this, it's not

1164
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 1: your skills quite as much is your ability to just

1165
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: stay with it, you know, just to be out there.

1166
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: And and I've noticed stories. I hear Clay tell how

1167
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: you know I went to extra mile? I did you know?

1168
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: I just did stuff that just most people wouldn't want

1169
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: to fool with. And sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

1170
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: But Ronnella, after nine days, I mean you were whipped yep,

1171
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: whipped down to nothing, and Ronella goes, let's go or

1172
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going yep. I mean that was pretty impressive,

1173
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: pretty stinking impressive. So anyway, yeah, I told Dad, uh,

1174
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I it wasn't my idea to go up there.

1175
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: I was I was good with the hunt being over,

1176
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: which you know usually I'm not. I mean, I really

1177
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 1: was whipped down. And so I owe that's the that

1178
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: bowl to Stephen more ways than one. Just even that

1179
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: we went up there. I knew you mentioned it, but

1180
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: I I just had never comprehended that comprehended the idea

1181
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: that if you venture out too far from camp you

1182
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: just won't get the meat back. That's just mind blowing.

1183
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: Like you said, with you can get you can head

1184
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: back in and pull all that meat out. But the

1185
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: fact that you might get too far from camp, that

1186
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: you can't get all that meat back even before you

1187
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: know it spoils or whatever. But yeah, that's it's amazing. Yeah, yeah,

1188
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,759
Speaker 1: well it was an incredible experience. We saw one black

1189
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: bear grizzly in the South cub just one. It was

1190
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: a bear scat all over the mountain where we're at,

1191
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: but never had any grizzlies close to us. Yeah, when

1192
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: we killed that moose, we started a big fire right

1193
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 1: beside it, and uh and and we had you know,

1194
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: we had a camera crew and we had everybody there,

1195
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: so we're making a lot of noise. But the whole

1196
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: time we were skinning it in the dark, we were

1197
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: hooping and hollering. I mean, just everybody. If somebody hadn't

1198
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: hollered in two or three minutes, somebody would just whoo,

1199
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: just you know, just hooping, holler, and y'all were scared.

1200
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: Man was scared to scared boys. So uh, hey, hey,

1201
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: one other thing. I don't want to hug the show here,

1202
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 1: but I found it interesting, especially as a dad, that

1203
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: when you get on this plane, Generald, they go, hey,

1204
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: you got your parachute with you. I mean it's not

1205
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 1: really a parachute, but they want to make sure you

1206
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: gotta sleeping bag, food way to make fire because the

1207
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: chances of you crashing, I mean, there is a chance

1208
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: that that little plane is gonna have to land on

1209
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: top of a tree. Every time you get in one

1210
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:48,480
Speaker 1: of those planes, you have to have with you everything

1211
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: you'd need to survive. And and so it was kind

1212
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,759
Speaker 1: of interesting because like in our situation there with food bags,

1213
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: that that's where all our food was. Well, they flew

1214
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 1: me in and they said do you have food? And

1215
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's in the food bag. And

1216
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: they were like, well you need some food because do

1217
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: you have a sleeping bag? Do you have a shelter?

1218
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: So basically everywhere you go there's a chance that you're

1219
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: gonna get dropped off and not be picked up on

1220
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: the way out. I was the last one on the ridge.

1221
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 1: Just the way it laid out, like they flew out,

1222
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: the Caraman flew out, Steve flew out everybody, and they

1223
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: can only fly people out one by one, even though

1224
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: there were multiple super cubs. And when they left me,

1225
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: I was the only one on the airstrip and I

1226
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:49,759
Speaker 1: made sure I had a gun some food just because

1227
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: they might fly back to town and then a storm

1228
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: roll in for three days and cover that mountain and

1229
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: they can't come get you. Weather is a major deal. Mean,

1230
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: the first day we almost didn't get to even hunt because, uh,

1231
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: they couldn't fly us into our ridge because it was

1232
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: covered in fog. And that can happen in a matter

1233
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: of thirty minutes. They can go from a bluebird day two,

1234
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: socked in for three days. And so like when they

1235
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: left me, it's like, you're good, and I'm like, yep,

1236
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: I'm good, and you know there's a chance they may

1237
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: not come back for you, you know. But by the

1238
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: day we left it was beautiful weather, so it was

1239
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 1: not an issue. But I did tell him not to

1240
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 1: forget me. I said, yeah, yeah, aren't gonna forget me.

1241
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 1: When y'all get back over there, I'll remember you. Um.

1242
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: There was a story though, when when they came and

1243
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: picked me up, they took us to a to a

1244
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: a like a middle like a middle ground air strip.

1245
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: So there was a bigger air strip out in the

1246
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: wilderness that they flew the super Cubs too, And then

1247
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: we got on a Cessna and flew act While we

1248
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: were waiting on our Assessina, my super Cub pilot UM

1249
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 1: told us the story of a guy that was not

1250
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: with this company. It was another transport company. Basically a

1251
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: guy they couldn't pick him up because of weather and

1252
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: he got killed by grizzly bear while he was waiting

1253
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: on the airstrip. They couldn't pick him up for two days.

1254
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: The guy was like sleeping in trees and basically was

1255
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: running from this grizzly bear for two days when they

1256
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: couldn't He's community. I don't know the story. I have

1257
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: no idea, but the guy got killed in the company

1258
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: that he had contracted to transport him actually lost their license.

1259
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: That This is the story. I heard him not mentioned

1260
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: any names. I don't know. It was not anyone. I know.

1261
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the Black Panther. These guys are

1262
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: talking about, Oh, that stuff's really serious. No, no, I

1263
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: it happen, but I'm just saying I don't want to.

1264
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: But it happened two years ago. Yeah, so you know,

1265
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: stuff happens. But well, that's my moose story. We didn't

1266
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: even get to our bear story. Long story short. We

1267
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 1: killed the bear last night at three yards with a

1268
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: stone point three yard? Was that three yards or three ft?

1269
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: It was this far gerald one two probably two and

1270
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: a half from about here to that red chair. So

1271
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: we'll tell you that story another time. Dude, he just happened?

1272
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: Was that a normal route? Well? Coming in? So we

1273
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: were we were, We were in our bear pit. I

1274
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: made a ground blind. Have you seen a picture of it? Gerald?

1275
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: You know? Basically we dug a pit. It's about three

1276
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: and a half feet deep in the back. It's got

1277
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: a wooden uh roof covered in dirt and leaves. We

1278
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: thought it might help with our scent. I needed to

1279
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: get close because I was hunting with a stone point,

1280
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: a traditional bow. The whole idea of the pit was

1281
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: to have a very close shot for penetration, for getting

1282
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: a low entry wound. I didn't want to be shooting

1283
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: out of a tree, and for accuracy. I just wanted

1284
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 1: to be close. So it was really an issue of

1285
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: efficacy building this blind and getting that close. I just

1286
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 1: didn't want to miss. I wanted the era to do

1287
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: what it was supposed to do. We're making a film.

1288
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: It's gonna be on meteor. We filmed it, uh And

1289
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: I used a specific style of stone point that hadn't

1290
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: been using about ten thousand years. And you're traditional bowl.

1291
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: Let's just a recurve. The traditional ball was using as

1292
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 1: a hybrid recurve excuse me, hybrid longbow, the timber Ghost

1293
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: hybrid longbow called a smoke For anybody interested, I'll post

1294
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: some pictures of it on my social media. The bow

1295
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: was nothing was not. I mean, the bow is a

1296
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 1: modern bow. The arrow in the stone point is what

1297
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: was super primitive. And basically these bears were coming off

1298
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: the top of the mountain and they were my My

1299
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: bear pit essentially made a topographic obstacle that they had

1300
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: to go around. And so there were two bear trails

1301
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 1: that split right behind the blind and one went to

1302
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: the right and one went to the left. There was

1303
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: a little hole about as big as a golf ball

1304
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: in our blind that we could see out, and we

1305
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: would see bears walk past us, no more than five

1306
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 1: feet from us. And my exaggerating, you just see black

1307
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: fur cover that golf ball hole, and you know, here

1308
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: they come. And we saw a couple of bears. Some

1309
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: bears were smelling us, we know for sure. Some bears didn't.

1310
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 1: We had two bears come in yesterday, maybe three that

1311
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: didn't smell us, that came in real close. And we're

1312
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, we're within five yards. It was multiple times,

1313
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: but right last night at last light, we were we

1314
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: learned that you had to be super ready because you

1315
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: can only see one direction out of this blind, and

1316
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: when you see them there in range and you can't

1317
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: hear them because it's like you're in a cave, you know,

1318
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: you can't hear real good. And basically I was sitting

1319
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: there with my bow ready, Justin has camera ready, and

1320
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 1: and when it got to prime time, we were just

1321
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 1: on red alert. We've been sitting there for eight out.

1322
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: We've been sitting there since noon, and and we'd let

1323
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: a couple of bears come in on us that I

1324
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: was like, shoot, if that had been a shooter, he'd

1325
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: got away. One bear came in, looked at us, and

1326
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: left just that quick. So we knew we had to

1327
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: be ready, especially with the big one. And I mean,

1328
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was doing, but I didn't

1329
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: wasn't looking at the golf ball hole. Justin just goes

1330
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: there there is and I grabbed my bow three fingers

1331
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: on the knock and I say which side of the blind?

1332
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: And he goes that side, right side. Aboy the time

1333
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: he said right side. That bear came around that blind,

1334
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: and rather than just going straight down in front of it,

1335
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: he got to the front of our blind and hung

1336
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,799
Speaker 1: the left, which just I mean basically, he just turned

1337
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 1: and I mean just walked right in front and and

1338
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: I didn't even aim, James, I'm serious, I just don't

1339
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: have to that. And I don't even think I probably

1340
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: pulled my bow all the way back. I just went

1341
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: and hit him, hit him. He was quartering to me,

1342
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: just to touch, but it hit him right behind the

1343
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: shoulder and hit the top of his heart. Aera didn't

1344
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 1: penetrate real deep. A lot of the Arab was sticking out.

1345
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: He spun the Arab broke off on a tree. He

1346
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: ran out there forty five yards and died of penetration

1347
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: though from where it broke off. But it went through

1348
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of meat. If I had hit him in

1349
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: the ribs, if he was really broadside, I think it

1350
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 1: would have got a lot more penetration. But it did

1351
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: the rick man and it was it. It ended up

1352
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: being a pretty good bear. He had a wingspan of

1353
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 1: six ft eleven uh, which is a It was a

1354
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: It was a boar, a younger bore, but decent board,

1355
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, in the two pound range probably. Uh so

1356
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: that's that story. I guess I will tell that story.

1357
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: I guess we do have time. You were basically hunting

1358
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 1: out of a foxhole, sod roof on it. That's it.

1359
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:37,360
Speaker 1: That's right. You'll be able to see that video later

1360
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: this year. It's gonna come out and and and the

1361
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 1: video is not about bear hunting. The video about it

1362
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: is about something else. The bear hunt is just a

1363
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: small part of it, right, justin Well, Uh, it'll be

1364
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 1: a good bear in this winter. Hey, we got there

1365
01:22:55,320 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 1: yesterday after leaving our two chairs, which one was in

1366
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: a chair as a crate, but it was what Clay needed.

1367
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 1: And uh, my chair was thrown out where the bait was.

1368
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: We couldn't, as far as we could see, couldn't find

1369
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: Clay's chair. So he stacked two rocks and sat on them.

1370
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: They carried You guys were intruder, Yeah, so they were.

1371
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 1: They trust me, they were in there. Yeah, there was

1372
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: bear scat in the blond when I got there. You've

1373
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 1: got pictures of those bears just climbing over it, I

1374
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: mean top of it. Hey, what a great guy man,

1375
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: He's got some stuff. You know. I still say that

1376
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: if you ever get forward take some toys at there

1377
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 1: in time to a tree, a little plastic rings and stuff.

1378
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had stuff happen with bears that just

1379
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 1: tell me they're looking for a party. What was it?

1380
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 1: What was the difference from yesterday and the day before? Yeah,

1381
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: I just think this bear just came in and he

1382
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: didn't come in yesterday. The first time we'd seen that bear,

1383
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: like with our own eyes, I'd seen him on camera

1384
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: because he had to yellow tags and his ears. Well,

1385
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, what do you mean? Within thirty minutes of

1386
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 1: us leaving on the first night, there was like what

1387
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: three or four bears that came in to Yeah. That

1388
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: was like almost like they were sitting just out of range,

1389
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: just waiting and you guys, waiting for us to leave.

1390
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: By the time we got back to the truck and

1391
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: got they were there. But you didn't say any of

1392
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:32,560
Speaker 1: that day, did you? I saw one? Didn't we see bear? Like?

1393
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: How many did you say yesterday? Today? Probably four? I

1394
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: think we saw four bears yesterday. What was the difference

1395
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,560
Speaker 1: in the two days to under? I don't know. I

1396
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: think it might have been the fact that I mean

1397
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: that first sit um, you know, like we said, our

1398
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: wind was iffy. You just don't know what it's doing.

1399
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, when you're in a tree, you can kind

1400
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: of have some kind of a determination on like what

1401
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 1: your wind might be doing. And there you we thought

1402
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: maybe it was being held, maybe it was circulating inside.

1403
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: But the way you know, we were, these bears were

1404
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 1: reacting at different times. It could have been peeling over

1405
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: the top and the thermals you know, come into play too,

1406
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: but we just didn't know. So I think we had

1407
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: that full day of sitting in there. The first day

1408
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: had the young bear come in, but then we had

1409
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: bears come in during the night, and then we had

1410
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: bears there, three or four bears there yesterday morning around

1411
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: before we got we were talking to you, So I

1412
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: think it was probably some uh, them acclimating to our scent,

1413
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: because because they wanted to come in there, but like

1414
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: the they're not being any sent in there on the

1415
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 1: first day and us just sitting there wafting, you know,

1416
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,719
Speaker 1: whatever direction that was going. Probably they just weren't interested,

1417
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: but they knew like everything was good. For at least

1418
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: at twenty four hour period. I think that they got

1419
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 1: a little bit more accustomed to it. That blind was

1420
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: really interesting because I would take my puffer and puff

1421
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: in that blind, and the wind and the puff would

1422
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: just kind of stay in there. Sometimes it would drift

1423
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 1: a certain direction, but you would step out of the

1424
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: blind and put your head up out of the out

1425
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 1: of the pit, and the wind would just be really

1426
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: you go back in and just be quiet. I feel

1427
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: like it really would have helped for sent control if

1428
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: you were trying to get bears within twenty yards of you.

1429
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: The problem was, and this is why I didn't know,

1430
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: is that the bear trails. The bears want to come

1431
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: from the high. Usually they want to come from high

1432
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: to low. You'll rarely see a bear come to a

1433
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: bear bait from the bottom up like they almost always

1434
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: come from up high. Well, the bear bait was below

1435
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: the bear the pit, So the bears were coming from

1436
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: behind the pit and they were walking within five ft

1437
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: of us to get to the bait, and that's where

1438
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 1: the bears would spook. We saw a couple of bears

1439
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: come in that we never saw again. We'd see him

1440
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: past the golf ball hole and then and so basically

1441
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: the blind did not conceal our scent when there was

1442
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: a bear within five ft of it, But that bear

1443
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: made it to within five ft, So if you'd have

1444
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 1: been in a tree, you'd have killed him way back there.

1445
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying? Like he they were

1446
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: coming in to a radius easily of twenty thirty yards

1447
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: with no problem. That's you think that's true? Right? So

1448
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: to some degree the bear pit did help contain our scent,

1449
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: but not a yeah, you know, so unique experience. And

1450
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 1: uh and again I did it so that I could

1451
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: get close, be on the ground and be concealed movement.

1452
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: It was neat because I mean we're in there, moving

1453
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: around and talking and you know it just they weren't

1454
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: gonna see you. But well, guys, hey, thank you Gerald.

1455
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 1: It's been great to have you. Thanks for letting stay

1456
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:24,600
Speaker 1: at your camp. Any closing thoughts, I'm just glad to

1457
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 1: be here. Yeah, I appreciate you invite. I mean and this, Yes, James,

1458
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: good to see you, good to have you. Good to

1459
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 1: be here, yep, look forward to it every year. Yep.

1460
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: Justin better get home to your wife for your anniversary.

1461
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: Moral of this story, of these two stories, it's good

1462
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 1: to have a camera guy with you. Those camera guys

1463
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: saw all those moose. You're right, you saw the bear.

1464
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been ready. If you hadn't seen that,

1465
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been ready either. Yeah, we just got lucky,

1466
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: all right, Thanks for listening to guys. Very good, Oh

1467
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 1: Justin al hoot, I gotta hear your ol hoot Justin

1468
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: as one of the best out has ever heard it.

1469
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: Stand up and do it. You gotta stand up because

1470
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: you can't. Al who sitting down. Whoo whoo, whoo hoo.

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Speaker 1: That's good. That's good, that's good. Good tone,