1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: back with you. Buck How you doing, man, Man, I'm good. 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm good. Just trying to work through all the uncertainty 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: that is kind of clouding the world, in the football 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: world in particular. Yeah, that's what we're gonna get to 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: today because we want to talk about, um, some of 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: the changes what it could look like from multiple fronts 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: here with with the college season. I think, uh, and 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: we'll get into this, but I do think there's a 11 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: high likelihood we get some form of spring football, you know, 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: whether that could be the you know, the Ivy League, 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: the Patriot League, some of these other Division one Double 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: A schools, a group of five, maybe even some Power 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: five football in the spring. But we are going to 16 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: get some spring football. What does that look like. We're 17 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: gonna tackle that topic and just a little bit. But 18 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: at the top, um, you know, Bucket, it's looking it's 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: sounding like from the people we're talking to, there's a 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: chance we have no preseason games, you know, bring about 21 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: eighty guys into camp, so lower roster numbers, a longer 22 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: ramp up time to get these guys ready so we 23 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: don't have a ton of injuries and then uh, do 24 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: your best keep these guys healthy to get to week one, 25 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: and that comes with a lot of ramifications. Yeah, it 26 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: does come with a lot of ramifications, but I do 27 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 1: understand it. I'll talk about it from the players side, 28 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: in the n f L p A side, going back 29 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: to two thousand and eleven when they had to lock out, 30 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: when guys returned without O t A, without all season workouts. Um, 31 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: they're kind of thrust in the training camp and it 32 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: was a way they go and what happened that preseason. 33 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: There are a lot of injuries, a lot of soft 34 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: tissue injuries, a lot of achill these tears, some A 35 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: c l s And what the NFL p A and 36 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: what the players are trying to do, they just want 37 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: to slow down the quick acceleration to being able to 38 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: play football. So some of the things that have been 39 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: outlined in our Tom Placeero in NFL Network has outlined 40 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: a forty eight day run up to being able to play, 41 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: three days of medical and equipment UH, twenty one days 42 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: of strength and conditioning work within the weight room, they're 43 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: on the field, try to assess their conditioning and building 44 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: themselves up UH two weeks, fourteen days of non padded 45 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: practices where they're now on the field, kind of replicating 46 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: the ot a portion of UH the off season, and 47 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: then ten days where you can have padded work with 48 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: eight to ten padded practices in there before you have 49 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: your first game. If they take that approach, DJ, I 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: actually think it will be better, and I think it 51 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: would give them an opportunity to have the product looking 52 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: like the product that we're accustomed to look. It won't 53 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: be perfect, it won't be flawless, but I do believe 54 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: if you take your time and give teams six weeks 55 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: to get ready, I do believe we will see better 56 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: football than trying to run up and get everything done 57 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: before players are physically ready to go. And answer me 58 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: this question, because you also, you know, we're talking about 59 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: a loss, a loss of revenue with the you know, 60 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: either the limit the limiting number of fans or the 61 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: fact we have no fans in the stand. So there's 62 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: a revenue gap there that they're saying could be what 63 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: some are like four billion dollars or something like that. 64 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: UH in loss of revenue. I know personally and I 65 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: don't know, you know, if it maybe just because we're hardcore, 66 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: but I have a sneaky feeling theres a lot of 67 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 1: people like us if we had no preseason games, but say, 68 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: you know, we live in Los Angeles, the Los Angeles area. 69 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: If they were to say, hey, instead of giving you 70 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: four Charger preseason games for Rams preseason games, we're going 71 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: to broadcast four live practices where there will be some 72 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: sort of inter squad mingling. It could be seven on 73 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: seven buck. I know personally, if you told me right 74 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: now that I can go in the other room and 75 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: watch Casey Hayward and Keenan Allen and one on ones, 76 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go watch it. There's nothing on TV that's 77 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: gonna be more entertaining than that to me as a 78 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: football guy. And I have a feeling that you're not 79 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: gonna get anyone. The numbers that you would get the 80 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: preseason wasn't great anyways, but you're gonna get there's gonna 81 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: be something. There's gonna be something there you can put 82 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: on and give to your fans so you can see 83 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: your guys. I know it's a baseball fan. I can't 84 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: figure out why they haven't put these inter squad games, 85 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: these teams have been playing every day on TV, like, 86 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: I'll watch those, I'll watch those every day. Yeah, it's 87 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: funny that you mentioned that, because the first thing that 88 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: came to mind when you brought that idea up. Every 89 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: team has what they call a fan fest that is 90 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: typically a day they coincide with the first live scrimmage, 91 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: and it's a little ceremonial in terms of what that 92 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: scrimmage looks like. But DJ, if you told the fans 93 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: that we're going to show three or two intersquad scrimmages 94 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: that are full bore, a full day, as you talk 95 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: about a full live scrimmage that culminates in one on ones, uh, 96 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: good versus good seeing our favorite players play against the 97 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: other squad. I absolutely believe that you could get it 98 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: in with the way that we have these streaming services. 99 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: I've seen high school games streamed, like I'm sure there's 100 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: a way that you can do it, Particularly with the 101 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: boom that Netflix has experienced. I think there's a way 102 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: to utilize the streaming service to broadcast these games and 103 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: to really take advantage on them. The desire and the 104 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: thirst of your fan base all also putting a little 105 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: money in uh to own his pockets. Yeah, so if 106 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: we look at it from that standpoint, we looked at 107 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: it from the player's standpoint, not wanting to get injured 108 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: and having that slow ramp up. Let's get to week one, 109 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: which I think all of our goal is right, let's 110 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: just you know, it's gonna be bumps in the road, 111 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: but if we can just get the thing started, then 112 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: maybe we can learn and adjust as we go along. 113 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: I just don't want it to get torpedoed before we 114 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: even get to the first week of the season. So personally, 115 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm okay with the no preseason games and following this plan. 116 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: We've looked at it from the player's standpoint. How about 117 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: from a team standpoint, from an organizational standpoint, or what 118 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: you gain what you might lose in this situation. You know, 119 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: I think we have to break it up, and I 120 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: think we should have this discussion in like four different categories. 121 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: The first category the veterans. What does it mean for 122 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: the veterans not having preseason games. Well, I think the 123 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: veterans would push not having preseason games because because it 124 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: pushed him in an advantageous situation. Not the stars, not 125 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: the top fifteen on the roster, but kind of like 126 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: the middle class, the class that will curry favor with 127 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: coaches because of their experience in their knowledge in these situations, 128 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: coaches want to be able to trust their players, and 129 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: they have a tendency to trust veteran players because they 130 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: know how they're going to play. They're familiar with their games, 131 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: their strips and weaknesses, and they're okay compensating for some 132 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: of their deficiencies because they know their knowledge will allow 133 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: them to do more stuff. Yeah, and we're gonna get 134 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: to a similar topic here on what's gonna happen with 135 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: these college kids with the spring and the decision and 136 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: who that benefits and who who's gonna suffer from it. 137 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: To me, I think I use the golf analogy. Like 138 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: those those middle of the road veterans. They're already in 139 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: the clubhouse, they've posted their score. We know what they are, 140 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: right and maybe maybe they're you know, one under, one over, 141 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 1: you know, not not great, but I know what they are. 142 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: Versus some other guy who might be able to go 143 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: out there and shoot, you know, sixty six, but he also, 144 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, might shoot seventy six. I don't know, there's 145 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: the unknown there so there's a comfort level with knowing 146 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: what you have with some of those veteran guys. Yeah, 147 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: it's funny that you talk about comfort level because I 148 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: think the second category players that we have to talk 149 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: about are the draft picks. I think this year, more 150 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: than any other year, I think we may see a 151 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: make rate when it comes to the draft picks because 152 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: they're having in off season workouts. We haven't seen him 153 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: in O T A S. Right now, you're invested in 154 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: the draft picks because you put money into the draft picks, 155 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: so it will be harder to dismiss the third round 156 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: pick that didn't perform well throughout the off season and 157 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: you're like, you know what, I'm gonna go with the 158 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: undrafted free agent because I know him better Because now 159 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: we made the selection to pick this guy, We're going 160 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: to give him every opportunity to make the team and 161 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: better yet, if he doesn't make the team, he's kind 162 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: of like that preferred status when it comes to the 163 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: practice squad. More patients, more understanding, more time to develop. 164 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: We're going to exhibit more patients when it comes to 165 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: those draft picks because we're invested in them because what 166 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: we saw on tape and in the off season workouts, 167 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: meaning the combine, we believe they were gonna be guys 168 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: that can help our team in some way, shape or 169 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: form Alright, so my reaction to this is going to 170 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: kind of bleed these two topics together because I was 171 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: having this conversation with the general manager the other day 172 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: and I want to get your take on a book. Um. 173 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: He brought up a fascinating point, he said, He's he 174 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: believes you're going to see more trades like around the 175 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: trade deadline at this this season than we've ever seen before. 176 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: Here's his logic. Hear me out on this. If there 177 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: is no college season, or there is a limited college season, 178 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: it's going to make the evaluation process more difficult for 179 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: this upcoming draft than it's ever been. So if you 180 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: have an opportunity and you're gonna trade it a first 181 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: round pick, in which you might look at that and say, man, 182 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: that is a crapshoot. I'm flying blind on that first 183 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: round pick. Next year, look at all these guys who 184 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: have emerged in their last year college that now you know, 185 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: we don't have a chance to know who those guys are. 186 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: Some of these guys fall off, we don't it's just 187 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: so much unknown. So if I can take a player, um, 188 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, throw whoever whatever veteran out there. You know 189 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about the Charges. I say it was Keenan Allen, right, 190 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: just throwing a name out there. But if if the 191 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: Chargers got off to a slow start and they decided 192 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: they want to trade keen Allen, the team might say, look, 193 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: I'll I'll trade a first round pick next year. I 194 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: know what Keenan Keenan Allen brings. I know what you know, 195 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: said veteran player brings. I have no idea what that 196 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: first round pick is gonna look like next year because 197 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have less information than I've ever had before. 198 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: So we could see a flurry of these trades with 199 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: teams being more willing to part with picks for next 200 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,119 Speaker 1: year than they ever have been in the past. Absolutely, 201 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: and I think it makes sense. I think not only 202 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: those veteran, established players like you would talk about, like 203 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: a Keenan Allen, someone that we've seen play at a 204 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: high level, UH pawned them off for first round picks. 205 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: But I also think with the potential for the cap 206 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: to either stay flat or even drop with the reduction, 207 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: I think you can see trades for lower like lower 208 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: price veterans, guys that are in their first second year, 209 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: where you can still get them at a manifest control 210 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: cost control. So now I can get them cheaper and 211 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: I can build up my team in a cost efficient 212 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: manner to ensure about Hey, if we don't have enough 213 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: money to pay some of these high end veterans, we 214 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: can get some of the lower guys that still have 215 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: developmental potential, that still maybe on their rookie contract or 216 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: the exclusive rights contract or restrictive free agent where we 217 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: do get them at cost control at a rate that 218 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: better slots in to the way the new salary cap 219 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: could be. All right, get onto the next group of 220 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: players down drafts and free agents. Look, this year with 221 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: the undrafted free agents would be different than any other year. 222 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: The opportunities will be scarce for them to really prove 223 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: themselves because without preseason games, their flashes will come in practice. 224 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: But the only thing about that coaches will still be 225 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: hesitant because they's, ay, every we've seen these these practice 226 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: day all Americans, but when they get to the game, 227 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: they play completely different. I think now more than ever, 228 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: with the expanded practice squad rosters, we will see maybe 229 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: eight of those sixteen slots reserved for those undrafted free 230 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: agents that we might feel good it about, but we're 231 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: not all the way confident that they can be uh 232 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: contributed right away, and we want to develop them guys 233 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: on our watch on the practice squad. Yeah, and you 234 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: figure you can get both right, because a lot of 235 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: times you make those roster decisions and it's, man, Okay, 236 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: we have a guy we took in the fourth round 237 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: two years ago. He we don't love him, he's he's 238 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: a good player, but man, we think this undrafted player 239 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: is better. But the thought process is in a normal 240 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: year where everybody else in the league might see that 241 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: undrafted player in preseason games and go, okay, wow, if 242 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: they don't, if they don't put that undrafted player on 243 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: the roster, we're gonna we're gonna claim him. Um. And 244 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: then that way, um, Now you're in a situation where 245 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: they don't see that player, so you can afford to 246 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: keep the veteran on the active roster and then be 247 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: able to sneak that guy to your practice squad without 248 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: any worries about him getting claimed by somebody else. It 249 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: allows you to keep both players to extend the evaluation 250 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: process absolutely, and we talked about this because I think 251 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: the way that you eloquently said that you talked about 252 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: the practice squad this year, would it ever could look 253 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: like a base all minor league farm system. Many we 254 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: may have three or four players that are ready to 255 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: go their Triple A players, then we got a double 256 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: A players, we got a single A in our rookie 257 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: ball and so as we tear those out, especially with sixteen, 258 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: you could probably put four in each category if you wish, 259 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: and it would give you an opportunity to set developmental 260 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: plans because I want you to think not only about 261 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: this year, but I want you to think about next year. 262 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: Next year, with the uncertainty of the draft, the developmental game. 263 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: The teams that are not only able to think about 264 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: the here and now, but also down the road when 265 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: it comes to developing those young, unheralded players, they have 266 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: an advantage. I need to be able to have long 267 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: term plans, a long term vision for how to develop 268 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: these twelve or so guys that might be undrafted free 269 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: agence on the practice squad because I'm gonna need them 270 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: to be contributors, because they're also gonna be cheap labor. 271 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: All right, let let me I'm gonna ask you a 272 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: question before we finished this year, Um, do you think 273 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: and we've seen this a lot in other sports, the 274 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: salary dump trade, right, just dumping salary, and the NFL 275 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: we don't really see a lot of that. Um. The 276 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: revenues are so high and teams are all competitive and 277 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: on equal footing with the salary cap, so you don't 278 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: see a lot of salary dumpy. But I wonder if 279 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: the uncertainty and hopefully they'll get this all figured out 280 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: with borrowing from future years in the cap and and 281 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: hopefully they can keep it, you know, somewhat flat, or 282 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: it will just be a little increase instead of the 283 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: huge increases that would be coming with the new TV deals. 284 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: But if you're a team that says, man, we don't 285 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: really have a shot to win this year, let's try 286 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: and give ourselves an advantage for the off season when 287 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: some teams might be butting up against the cap that 288 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: might not be expanding like we originally thought. Let's dump 289 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: as much salary as we can and try and get 290 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: down into a place where we can be very nimble 291 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: and very flexible. We see that in other sports, we 292 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: really haven't seen that. Football. Yeah, I think that's something 293 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: that is at play. I think that's something that has 294 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: to be at play. We talk about these salary cap 295 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: deals that we see all the time in basketball, we 296 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: see teams trade of players that they can get their 297 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: midlevel of exception back and use it on another player. Well, 298 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: I think with the salary cap and the uncertainty of 299 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: next year, in future years, you really have to have 300 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: another flexibility to be able to move regardless of how 301 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: it goes, whether it's flat or whether there's a reduction. 302 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think we'll see trades. I think we'll 303 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: see teams try and keep more younger players in the 304 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,239 Speaker 1: bottom third of their roster to give them the flexibility 305 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: to build their team. And I also think there's going 306 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: to be We've seen it already. Teams have not been 307 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: signing guys to long term deals because of the uncertainty 308 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: with the future years. We will see teams, I think 309 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: them more than ever. It will be a team of 310 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: a handful of stars and then a lot of cheap, 311 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: lower players, and the teams that are the best evaluated 312 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to drafting and developing, they're going to 313 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: be able to kind of maneuver in these odd circumstances. Yeah, 314 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: it's there's so many different things. The factor in here, 315 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: there's also, um, you know, if you're a team that's 316 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: maybe you've got a new coach, new quarterback. You know, 317 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of a it's a transition year for you, 318 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: and you look at the challenge with the limiting off season, 319 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: and that these teams might you know, early on in 320 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: the season, you know, maybe they get their doors blown 321 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: off in the first couple of games because they just 322 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: haven't had an opportunity to gel and get together and 323 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: figure this thing out. That you might see them hunt 324 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: on the season earlier and say, this is a weird year. 325 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: We're in a pandemic. We haven't had an offseason, new 326 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: head coach, new quarterback. Let's just start Look, let's just 327 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: start trying to get ready for next year. We can 328 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: shed some contracts, we can try and collect some picks. Um. 329 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: That's why it's gonna be fascinating, because do you do 330 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: you want to go that route or do you get 331 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: scared of what we were talking about earlier and say, 332 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, having a bunch of draft picks might 333 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: not be a good thing. In this upcoming draft, and 334 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: maybe we start seeing creativity of trading for picks outside 335 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: twenty one. Maybe you start seeing teams saying heyo will 336 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: be the next normal scouting cycle, so save me. It 337 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: is no, I don't want your first round pick in 338 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: twenty one. Give me your first round pick in twenty two. Um, 339 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: that could be another interesting thing. It's so many different 340 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: dynamics in play. Yeah, two different dynamics and two dynamics 341 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: I want to touch on first. You mentioned coaches. I 342 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: think this year, more than any of the year, the 343 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: coaches that one have veteran players. They're going to have 344 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: an advantage over the new guys. The continuity and system 345 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: we talked about. Sean Pagne early in the off season said, hey, guys, 346 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: get away from it. Where about your families will pick 347 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: up in training camp because a lot of their guys 348 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: have been there, they know simple systems, being able to 349 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: condense the playbook, really focusing on short term goals. John Fox, 350 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: when I was with the Carolina Panthers, used to talk about, 351 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: let's just treat we can go three and one every quarter, Dad, 352 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: to get you to twelve and four. I think it's 353 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: gonna be very important to have short term goals. I 354 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: want to ask you, and having some of these conversations 355 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: with scouting buddies, how would no preseason impact the front 356 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: office view when it comes to evaluation because so much 357 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: of preseason scouting is not about your own team but 358 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: looking at the other thirty one teams having someone to sign. 359 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: What do we do? Now? How do scouts? How do 360 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: scouts navigate that part of the situation? Yeah, I mean 361 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: that you you're evaluating the back end rosters and for 362 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: those that don't know, you know you you were assigning 363 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: different scouts. The college scouts will help on the pro 364 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: side during preseason because there's so many players to evaluate 365 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: and you're looking at the back end roster guys. So 366 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: we would normally do anybody was picked after the fifth round, 367 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: so rookies that were fifth, six, seventh round picks, um, 368 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: all the undrafted rookies, as well as any roster bubble players. 369 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: You might look at at the roster and say, okay, 370 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: this guy could get cut, you know, second or third 371 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: year players, UM. But that would usually amount to about yeah, 372 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: thirty thirty guys, maybe thirty to forty guys per team. 373 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: You're not You're not evaluating the top end players. You'll 374 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: worry about those guys when they're getting closer to free agency, 375 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: But those back thirty to forty players, So you do 376 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: that number times thirty one other teams. That is a 377 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: huge player pool that you're evaluating. Well, now you're gonna 378 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: miss out on that evaluation opportunity. You're not gonna see 379 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 1: those guys in the preseason. You're gonna get a chance 380 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: to look at him on eyeball. So it's gonna be 381 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: a totally different set up with how this With how 382 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: this works, I think you're gonna have guys going back 383 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: and doubling up and watching even more college tape from 384 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: from the previous year. Um, it's gonna be trying to 385 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: get your ready lists. You know lots. You know we've 386 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: talked to about like a guy like Colin Kaepernick being 387 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: on some ready list. You have a every position, you 388 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: have a list of, you know, fifteen guys that if 389 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: something were to happen to one of your players, this 390 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: would be the next man up that you would bring 391 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: in for a workout. You know, bring in three of them, 392 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: work him out, sign one. So as you're getting those 393 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: ready lists, I think you're gonna look at these teams 394 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: and you're gonna say, Okay, well they kept this guy 395 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: on the on the practice squad. We didn't really have 396 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: high grades on him. You know, maybe this guy went 397 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: to Western New Mexico, right, and this guy made the 398 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,239 Speaker 1: practice squad for the Dolphins. We had one scout going 399 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: to Western New Mexico. He didn't give the guy at 400 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: draftable grade. That was it. Well, the fact that he 401 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: the Dolphins thought enough of him to put him on 402 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: the practice squad. I can't go watch him in preseason games. 403 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: What I can do is I can assign his Western 404 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: New Mexico tape to three or four other guys in 405 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: our department and say, maybe that guy had a bad 406 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: cup of coffee the day he went in there, and 407 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: maybe this kid has some redeeming qualities, so that that 408 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: type of assignments, Those type of assignments, I think is 409 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: what you're gonna see in personnel departments. It's gonna be weird. Yeah, 410 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be weird. But I think that is interesting 411 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: because DJ some teams don't involve their pro scouts in 412 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: the college scouting process. I think it would be interesting 413 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: when we talk about the bottom of the roster guys 414 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: now that we are getting worried that there may not 415 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: be a preseason being able to say, hey, I know 416 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: you typically don't live in that world, but here's what 417 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: I want you to do. Let's take three games from 418 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: their kid from Western New Mexico and look at him 419 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: and give me an evail based on that, and we 420 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: have to make we may have to make our practice 421 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: squive decisions off of that college tape, which is completely different. 422 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: But not the college guy that looked at him, but 423 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: maybe the pro guy. He can you look at and 424 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: project and see what traits you like about him. Look 425 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: at his workout, look at the combine stuff. If he 426 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: was at the combine, Let's see where that fits out 427 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: in terms of the percentiles. Where does he fit what 428 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: does he project as a pro? Let me give you 429 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: another idea here. This is a like, we'll give you 430 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: a team like the Carolina Panthers, who we've all said 431 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: probably in a rebuild mode, right, Matt Rule in the quarterback, 432 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: a new head coach you bring over, Joe Brady, new coordinator. 433 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: You've got a new quarterback there, and Teddy Bridgewater limiting 434 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,239 Speaker 1: off season all that we've talked about, you know it's 435 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: gonna be tough for that team to win in this 436 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: coming season. If practice squads are expanded, it could be 437 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: a big number. Right Uh. And we already know what 438 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: is expanded because the new CBA, but could be expanded 439 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: even more. I would be tempted and the Carolina Panthers 440 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: front office to say, Okay, we have our what is 441 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: it a fifty four man roster? Now I think it 442 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: one up one or fifty five, I think whatever it is. 443 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: So I would say we're going to allocate four spots 444 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: a week, so maybe every two weeks, every three weeks, 445 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: every two or three weeks, we're gonna have four rotating spots. 446 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: So you look around those practice squads around the league, 447 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: find the four interesting players. We're gonna bring it. We're 448 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: gonna sign them to our active roster. We're gonna get 449 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: a free look at them for a little bit, see 450 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: who we like. Maybe we keep one, maybe we keep none. 451 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: But three weeks later we're gonna cycle cycle you know, 452 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: keep one of those guys. Now we cycle out three 453 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: new ones, and we're gonna get a chance to look 454 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: at these guys, get free looks on these players that 455 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: are on practice squads around the NFL all and if 456 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: you come out of the season and you end up 457 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: with five or six new roster guys that you've plucked 458 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: off practice squads, because you could really turn your roster 459 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: and get free looks at these players. Uh, you know, 460 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: provided you're not worried about the depth in the back 461 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: end of your roster because you're not gonna win anything 462 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: this year. So I'm glad that you brought that up. 463 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: And I'm glad that you brought a mad rule in 464 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, because I believe guys who are just 465 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: recently removed from the college world have an advantage. D 466 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: You remember last year when college football put in the 467 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: rich Shirt rule, the richer rule where you could play 468 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: a player for four games and they still can retain 469 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: that extra year. Basically, what you're outlining is using the 470 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: rich Shert rule in the pro game, meaning go get 471 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: an active practice squad guy, put him on the roster, 472 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: put him on the field for a few weeks so 473 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: you can evaluate them, and then you can decide whether 474 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: to kick or punt on him. And early on, when 475 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll went to the Seattle Seahawks, what did the 476 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahaks. Do they churned the bottom part of their roster? 477 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: What did any other their team? You talk about the 478 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: week after week, numerous transactions, guys coming in, guys going out. 479 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: I think that is a smart way for Matt Rule 480 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: and some of these other teams that are trying to 481 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: jump start a rebuild program to use that approach. Yeah. 482 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: I think there's just a lot of ways you can 483 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: be creative here. Um with what's going on? Are there 484 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: any other aspects that we're not seeing on this thing? 485 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: Buckers at it now? I mean, I think that's it. 486 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: I think we really hit on it when it came 487 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: to the preseason games. We talked about the vets, the 488 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: draft picks, the undrafted, the coaches and the scouts. I 489 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: think the thing that has now impacted because we're talking 490 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: about the preseason, but now the word has come out 491 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: in the college game, teams are already putting on the 492 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: potential of a fall season. The Patriot League, the IVY League, 493 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: junior colleges have all said that they're going to play 494 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: spring football DJ for us as scouts, what what? What? 495 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: What what does that mean? Now? Like? What what is 496 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: the approach? What have you heard? What do you think about, uh, 497 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: scouting spring football while getting ready for a draft that 498 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: also takes place in the spring. Yeah, I think you're 499 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: you're looking at two scenarios. Right. Let's do the scenario 500 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: where we get Power five football, which I think there's 501 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: still hope out there that we could get Power five football. 502 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: The big Big five conferences they go off in the fall. 503 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it's conference only schedules. What it looks like, you 504 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: know initially right now? Um, then I think we're gonna 505 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: get some brand of spring football. You know, we have 506 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: the Patriot League, which is Division one Double A. I 507 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: I don't do the FBS FCS thing. It just confuses me. 508 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: So you've got the Patriot League, the IVY League. It 509 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: sounds like I think we're gonna end up seeing all 510 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: those Division one double as. And I think we're gonna 511 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: see a lot of the group I believe, personally, not 512 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: for anything else out there, the concrete report. I believe 513 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: the group of five. I don't see the Group of 514 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: five going in the fall. So there's some good programs. 515 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: You think about the group of five, talking about Boise State, 516 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: talking about Houston. My alma mater is the top twenty 517 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: five team I mean these I think it's gonna be 518 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: difficult for those teams to go because, let me give 519 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: you the backstory, the reasoning their revenue. They don't have 520 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: big TV deals, so they're rev new comes from the gate. 521 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: So if you can't have fans in the stands, your 522 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: revenue takes a major hit. So you're not able to 523 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: generate the revenue. It just makes more sense for them 524 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: to punt to the spring and the hope that you 525 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: could get fans in the stands, then you can get 526 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: your revenue back up. And I think, actually, I think 527 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: you would actually do pretty good rating wise. I know, 528 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, for me, if I had a chance to 529 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: watch you know, Houston, uh, you know play Louisiana Tech 530 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: in the spring, I'll watch it. You know, I'll definitely watch. 531 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: I'd be a heck of a lot more interested in 532 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: that than watching the a F for XFL or any 533 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: the other you know spring football leagues we've had. But 534 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: that's what I think is gonna happen. So we're gonna 535 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: have some form of spring football. I think scouting wise, 536 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: you will see I would say, you know, especially if 537 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: it's the group of five and the in the it's 538 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: the nonpower fives. You would have a pool of what 539 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: do you think, Buck, I would say twenty maybe twenty 540 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: to thirty players that would opt out from that level 541 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: because they're already feel secure they're gonna be top one picks, 542 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: so they didn't play. We'd be evaluating them for the draft. 543 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: The rest of those guys we would be evaluating the 544 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: underclassmen for next year. But the seniors you'd be evaluating 545 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: for them being undrafted free agents. You know the type 546 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: of a situation that would be. My guess how that 547 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: would all work, Yeah, DJ, I think this actually could 548 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: be a good thing for football in general. Right, It 549 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: could be a good thing in general down down the line, 550 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: because we have tried to feel the springtime void with 551 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: football on the pro level and unsuccessfully. Um Like, for 552 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 1: whatever reason, it just hasn't worked. The one thing that 553 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: we know, colleges are very passionate, Like DJ, if you 554 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: can close outs and just think about how many people 555 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: pay attention to spring football games when they play them 556 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: on ESPN, when they play them on ESPNU, they play 557 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: them on Fox and all those other things. There's a 558 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: rapid interest for football. Some of those schools, particularly the 559 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: smaller ones, the group of five schools that they're big 560 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: pay days come from playing Power five conferences or whatever. 561 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: They may find a better financial autell by going in 562 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: the spring. From a scouting standpoint, I don't think it 563 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: would impact us as much because you're talking about a 564 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: smaller pool. The guys that we're talking about typically coming 565 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: from those UH schools and conferences are typically your later 566 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: round draft picks, your undrafted free agents, those guys, and 567 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 1: so I think there's enough time to get information on 568 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: those guys, and I think our assessments on those guys 569 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: would probably be truer to the process because it's closer 570 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: to the draft. For the Power of Five guys, it 571 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: would allow us to really dig into the Power of 572 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: Five conferences if they happen to play in the fall, 573 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: to really hone in to see all those games, to 574 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: have a solid ramp up to the combine and the draft, 575 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: and you have to be working concurrently on both sides 576 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: with your scouting staff. But I think it would be 577 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: something that could work. I think we could pull it off. 578 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: I think there are enough people in front offices to 579 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: be able to get it done. Yeah, I mean, you 580 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: tell me you've you've got a chance to watch these 581 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: spring leagues with the A, A F and the XFL. 582 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: To me, I think if you had group of five 583 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 1: football in the spring, I think it would destroy those 584 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: those games and ratings. I don't even think it would 585 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: be close. You'll be watching games in full stadiums that 586 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: a lot of these places would be big time intrigue 587 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: with it. And it's good football, Like there's good football 588 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: programs there, and you almost could have two national championships. 589 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: Right you have the kind of the Power five national 590 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: champion in the group of five national champion. I think 591 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: I think it's great because I think if you do that, 592 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: I mean I don't want to give away all our 593 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: seekers because somebody would take this model. But let's just 594 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: imagine with the group of five. Right, so you talk 595 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: about the Power five and they're doing whatever they do 596 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: with college football playoff. We haven't seen a group of 597 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: five team crack the playoffs at this point. So imagine, 598 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: let the Power five do their deal with their national champion. 599 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: But then with the group of five, why I use 600 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: the same model that the smallest schools use, where you 601 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: have a group of five and then you have a 602 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: legitimate playoff where there's a team where there's sixteen teams 603 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: and let them continue to ramp it up, just like 604 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: Division one Double A does Division two, Division three. I 605 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: think there would be a level of entries and excitement, 606 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: interest in excitement that would lead to revenues that they 607 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: generate that they hadn't generated before. Yeah. I mean, we 608 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: could go full European soccer model and just go away 609 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: off the reservation two and say, hey, you know you win, 610 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: you win the Group of five championship, You're in the 611 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: Power five the next year. How about that? Huh, here 612 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: we go and we're back playing in the fall. And 613 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: if you're one of those bottom bottom run teams in 614 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: the Power five, see you see in the spring. It'll 615 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: never happen. It makes too much sense. It makes too 616 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: much sense. It will never happen. Um. But I do 617 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 1: think what we are going to see happen as we 618 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: are going to see some form of spring football, you know, 619 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: whatever that looks like in I'm excited for it. Maybe 620 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: it's a one and done, maybe it's one year only 621 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: because of what's going on in the world. But um, 622 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it's the end of the world. I 623 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: do though. I tweeted this out the other day. I 624 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on it. Um, I don't 625 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: understand why the league, well, I guess I understand why 626 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: they did it, but it bugs me that they eliminated 627 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: the supplemental draft this year. And the reason that I 628 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, that you hear is that, oh, they were 629 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: worried about guys like Trevor Lawrence and some of these 630 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: other guys trying to get into the supplemental My thing 631 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: is not about them. My thing is like, right now, 632 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: we know the Ivy League and the Patriot League are 633 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: not going to play football this year. So if you 634 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: look historically and you know the guys, you'll think of 635 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: him off the top of your head. But the rules, right, 636 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: Guys get Guys get kicked out of school, Guys have 637 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: multiple failed drug tests, get in trouble, they get kicked 638 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: out of two different schools, and those guys end up 639 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: being eligible to start their professional career where they begin 640 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: getting paid and developing as a professional. Now you have, 641 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: let's say you've got and this is you know, just 642 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: making this up. You've got a draftable offensive line. You've 643 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: got a mid round draftable offensive lineman at Delaware, you know, 644 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: are one of these schools right, and everybody, the scouts 645 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: know who he is. Now they cancel football. He's not 646 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: given the option to do what they who got kicked 647 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: out of school was was was given. Man, he this 648 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: kid did nothing wrong. I mean, he just had his 649 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: football season. The rug pulled out from under him. And 650 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: now instead of being able to go into supplemental draft, 651 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: we haven't started training camp yet. There's plenty of time 652 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: to do that. He could get on with the team, 653 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: have a chance to train in a in a real 654 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: facility with with proper technique and everything else, and get 655 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: him his professional career started to make a little money. 656 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: Now he's gotta wait what Texas kids gonna do for 657 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: the whole He's got nothing to do all the way 658 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: up until the draft in April um and and then 659 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: people said, oh, if you do that, it would overwhelm 660 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: the system. No, wouldn't we know the scouts. If you 661 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: asked the teams who are the three to five you know, 662 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: NFL prospects in the Patriot League? Who are the three 663 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: to five NFL prospects in the Ivy League, they already 664 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: know who these guys are. You're talking about a handful 665 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: of players. But those guys in my opinion, got kind 666 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: of hosed, like they should have been given an opportunity 667 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: to go into the supplemental Draft. That's how I feel 668 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I think the supplemental Draft should have 669 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: been wide open. Given the uncertainty of what is going on, 670 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: the uncertainty of the season, the uncertainty of even the spring, 671 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: like we don't know for sure if the spring is 672 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: gonna be able to play out because no one knows 673 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: how the pandemic is going to turn out, they should 674 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: be given the opportunity to move on to the next level. 675 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: I think I would have been fascinated if they did 676 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: run the supplemental draft uh as usual. I would love 677 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: to see what would happen with Trevor Lawrence and a 678 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: Justin Fields if they had thrown their name into the hat. 679 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: Because with the supplemental being able to give a first 680 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: round pick next year, I just would have been intrigued by, Hey, 681 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: who would who would give up that first round pick 682 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: right away this year, knowing that I could get Trevor 683 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: Lawrence next year and beyond. I just think it would 684 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: be a fat But the challenge with that is those 685 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: guys technically would have had to file a grievance because 686 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have been eligible. But like these Ivy League, 687 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: these seniors to be the guys that are going to 688 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: be seniors. And you could even put that in in 689 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: the case of guys like Travis at Tienne and Davante 690 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: Smith and Quinns. A lot of those guys, those guys 691 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: were eligible for last year's draft decided to go back 692 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: to school. Now I don't think this is the what 693 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: they anticipated was gonna happen with them coming back to school. 694 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: So the scenario, the situation has changed. I just feel 695 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: like those guys should have been given the opportunity, um, 696 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, And I think I do think that there 697 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: was probably a fear that well if that if those 698 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: guys get in, then you're gonna start having guys try 699 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: and do what Mike Williams did back in the day, 700 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: which is petition to do and petition the NFL to 701 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: get in even though they technically aren't eligible. Yeah, I 702 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: think the thing that is is interesting and we've had 703 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: this conversation, Uh, we're hopeful that Power five goals in 704 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: the fall, but what if our five goes in the 705 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: spring with everybody else, how does that change? With some 706 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: of the marquee players that are out there. Um, do 707 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: we see these guys play a couple of games and 708 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: then shut it down. Do we see these guys play 709 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: full seasons? Do these guys stay with the teams while 710 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: pursuing a national title? Is different because it's a tighter 711 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: run up to the draft, and so injuries and all 712 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: those other things would have a bigger impact if they 713 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: occur in the spring as opposed to when they happen 714 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: in the fall. Are think the top tier programs would 715 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: have a minimum of, you know, four to five guys 716 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: that would not play. That's my that's just my opinion. 717 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: I think you would see that. I think agents would 718 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: get to him. Agents would tell him, Look, you're a 719 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: first round pick, you're a you're a top fifty pick, 720 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: you're a top one hundred pick. If you're in one 721 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: of those categories, right, they're gonna say, Okay, let's look 722 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: at the the advantages of you coming back. You're you're 723 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: a first round pick. Maybe you move up into the 724 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: top ten. You know, maybe you play really well and 725 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: fault yourself up in the top ten. Now let's look 726 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: at the disadvantages. You get sick, um, you get hurt, 727 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: you don't play as well. I mean, the team around 728 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: you is not as good. Like, there's just more things 729 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: you can stack up in the reasons not to play 730 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: than the reasons to play for those guys that are 731 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: in that top tier. And you know how it is, Buck, 732 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: there's if you pulled the college football players right now, 733 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: you would you if you said how many of you 734 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: believe you are a top fifty pick right right now? 735 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: Going you have a hundred and fifty, hands would go 736 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: up because guys have been told their top fifty picks 737 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: by everybody around him, agents, coach there, everybody. So you're 738 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,959 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of those guys thinking, well, I'm 739 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: already a top fifty pick, I'm not gonna play in 740 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: the spring. Why would I do that. I'm gonna get hurt, 741 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get sick, I'm not gonna play as well. 742 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: There's just too many negative outcomes. Yeah, there's a lot 743 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: of I mean there's a lot of risks in going 744 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: to the spring. You talk about like getting sick, uh, 745 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: the injury risk, the detining play, the poor performance um 746 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,919 Speaker 1: for those guys as negative. I think the other thing 747 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: it might be harder for a guy to have a 748 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow like rise up the charts just because everything 749 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: is so close. What we got a chance to do 750 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: last year's we got a chance to really sit and 751 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: digest Joe burrows ascension up the board. We got a 752 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: chance to really watch him game after game throughout the 753 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: fall make a case to be the number one overall pick. 754 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: But here's my question. Here's my question though on that Buck, 755 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: because this is my question. If Joe Burrow, who we 756 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: said coming into the season was a third round pick, 757 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: if l s U is six and oh and he 758 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: is tearing it up the first time they have a 759 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, a big opponent, whoever that might be right, 760 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: say that. You know, I'm gonna have to go back 761 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: and look at her schedule, but say it's you know, 762 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: uh it was Alabama was a little bit later in 763 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: the year, George, I think was later. But the first 764 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, Texas A and M. He destroys Texas A 765 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: and M the sixth game of the season. You know, 766 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: everybody's gonna get in here, Like, dude, you're a top 767 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: five pick. You just put six unbelievable games out there. 768 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: You torch Texas A and M. Shut it down. And 769 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. That's gonna be the message that's sent 770 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: to a lot of those players. So you're gonna have 771 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: some guys who are not gonna play to begin with. 772 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: You're gonna have other guys that get off to a 773 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: hot start and be like, all right, I put enough 774 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: out there, that's little taste. I'm healthy, I'm out in 775 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: a way. Not not saying that Nick Bosa did this, 776 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: but when Nick Bosa got hurt, like he was done 777 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: for he played three games his final year and he 778 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: was like, hey, my takes piece for yourself. You have 779 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: to make a decision. I think you will see some 780 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: guys do that, and any Nick, any minor Dan your injury. 781 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: I think the days of trying to play through uh 782 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: NB a hero or exhibit some courage of bravery, I 783 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: don't think that happens this spring with everything being so 784 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: close to the draft. Yeah, and then I you know, 785 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: I don't even thought about this part. There's there's so 786 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: many different angles to this thing. What do you do 787 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: if you have spring football and you get your recruits 788 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: that come in graduate early, like you throw those guys 789 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: right at a high school, throw them right on the field. 790 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: Is that is that would be they'd be eligible to 791 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: do that. Correct, Yeah, I think you can use it. 792 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: You can use to rich your rule to the advantage. 793 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: Give them to four games. I think what you can 794 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: do is you can put them on the field and 795 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: see if they can handle it um and do it um. 796 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: But but but what if you're in a state. What 797 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: if you're in a state like we're in California, we're hopeful, 798 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: but not necessarily you know, optimistic, we're gonna see high 799 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: school football here in the fall. But what if you're 800 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: in a state. What if you're in North Dakota and 801 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: the virus hasn't been bad there, and you play your 802 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, twelve game high school season in the fall, 803 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: you finish, you play your championship game in early December, 804 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: you enroll at the school in January, and you could 805 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: be playing a college football game in February. Like, I don't, 806 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's necessarily in the best interest 807 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: of the student athlete. No, I don't, I don't. I 808 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: definitely do think that's in the best interests. But I 809 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: think what you have to do, as you're your coach, 810 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: you have to evaluate how good is that player coming in. 811 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting North Carolina has a kid coming 812 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: in Antonio Grimes, big time point that they signed. Uh, 813 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: he signed for next year's class, but he's decided to 814 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: reclassify so we can go in this year. And so 815 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: it's very very similar. I think you can see some 816 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: guys that do that. So when we talk about in California, UM, 817 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: potensally not having high school ball, and then you have 818 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: a handful of guys that already like to go in 819 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: early enroll. So does that mean they just bypassed their 820 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: senior season and go right to college? Um, it's interesting. 821 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean a unique set of circumstances. Everyone has to 822 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: be numbled, unadaptable. But this year football would be unlike 823 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: any other year that we've ever seen. Yeah, it's gonna 824 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: be wild. Man. Um, is there anything else you want 825 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: to add before we jump out of here? Buck? No, 826 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: that was it, Man, that was the discussion. Um. I 827 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: think it's interesting. I think the pandemic is making everybody 828 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,439 Speaker 1: look at football differently. And I think what I would 829 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 1: like to happen soon because DJ training camp is two 830 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: weeks away and we don't have a decision. I just 831 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: kind of want to know, are we gonna have a 832 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: pretty season? What does training camp look like? How do 833 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: we get ready for it? Um? How our team is 834 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: going to get ready? Because look, man, I'm anxious. The 835 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: body clock is telling me that he is time. I 836 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: just want to know, is it legitimately going to be 837 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: go time? Yep? Well we'll wait. Maybe the next time 838 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: we get together here in a couple of days, we'll 839 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: have an answer. Hopefully soon we'll find out. Um. But 840 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: that's all. That's all I got today. Man, that was fun. 841 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: It's just fun looking at all the different possibilities and 842 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: how one decision is gonna affect so many different people. 843 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: I thought we tackled that today. Yeah. Absolutely, I think 844 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: this is a unique set of circumstances. I think coaches, players, scouts, 845 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: everybody has to be nimble. They have to be able 846 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: to move and kind of navigate. You gotta be able 847 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: to adapt and overcome. And this will be unique circumstances 848 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: that you have to overcome. But I think it's one 849 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: that everyone can be able to do it. You just 850 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: have to have a plan, no doubt. All right, Well 851 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us today. Thank you guys 852 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: so much for checking us out. I will be back 853 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 1: here in a couple of Days with Move the Sticks. 854 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. We'll see you next time.