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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is September tenth, twenty twenty five, and

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Speaker 1: once again we are seeing the scenes of students scrambling

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Speaker 1: on a college campus because of gunfire. But it's not

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Speaker 1: what you think. This time. There has been what appears

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Speaker 1: to be a targeted attack on a college campus against

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Speaker 1: a conservative superstar. And with that, welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJA breaking episode here robes Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 1: Headline has been shot on a college campus at this time,

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Speaker 1: at this recording, we don't know how he's doing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but from all of the witness reports we've seen

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Speaker 2: and the unfortunate videos that have been circulated on social media,

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Speaker 2: which are incredibly explicit and very difficult to watch, and

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Speaker 2: it was confirmed he was shot in the neck and

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Speaker 2: those who were near him who saw it, some who

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Speaker 2: were even recording it, describe a pretty awful, gruesome scene

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Speaker 2: where blood immediately poured out, he fell limp and fell over,

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Speaker 2: and he was immediately whisked away. We know he's in

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Speaker 2: the hospital right now, but we have no idea, We

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Speaker 2: have no word on his condition at this hour.

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Speaker 1: All we're getting from the organization that he does work with,

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Speaker 1: the organization that he did co found, actually only putting

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Speaker 1: out a statement saying that he is in the hospital. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is Turning Point USA, the conservative nonprofit that he

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Speaker 1: works with and again helped found some I mean he

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Speaker 1: was a kid essentially, he was a teenager when this

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Speaker 1: was founded. But put out a statement only saying he

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Speaker 1: is in the hospital and we are praying for him.

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Speaker 1: That is all we got. Again. This is a conservative superstar,

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Speaker 1: a young conservative superstar at the age of thirty one

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Speaker 1: years old. He was on the campus today part of

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Speaker 1: Robes a tour. This is the first stop on a

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Speaker 1: particular tour that he's kicking off. So you had, at

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Speaker 1: least by the numbers, we saw hundreds of kids, maybe

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Speaker 1: even into the thousands, gathered in what looks like the

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Speaker 1: quad if you will, of camp as a very popular spot,

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Speaker 1: gathered all around when this happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a beautiful sunny day. He was under a tent,

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Speaker 2: he was seated, He had been speaking for most people, say,

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Speaker 2: around twenty minutes, and he was in the Q and

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Speaker 2: A section of his address to the students where he

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Speaker 2: encourages people to debate him. And he does this Q

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Speaker 2: and A session and ironically he was literally just asked

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Speaker 2: about transgender shootings over the past decade, talking about these

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Speaker 2: school shootings and certainly the one we recently saw. And

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Speaker 2: as he was asked the question, that is when a

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Speaker 2: single shot, according to witnesses, rang out and struck him

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Speaker 2: directly in the neck.

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Speaker 1: And you say, according to witnesses and according to the video.

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Speaker 1: Because it is out there, we don't encourage you to look,

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Speaker 1: but you're going to do it if you want to.

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Speaker 1: But the video is out there, and you do see

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Speaker 1: this event going on, and you hear one pop. You

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Speaker 1: don't hear multiple shots. You hear one pop, and you

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Speaker 1: see him sitting in that chair. Immediately his entire body reacts,

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Speaker 1: but certainly his head goes back and to the side

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Speaker 1: a little bit. But this happened in front on a

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Speaker 1: sunny day, in the middle of campus. This took place,

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Speaker 1: and we dig it. Word rose. We were watching this

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Speaker 1: wondering and even looking at the video with somebody come

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Speaker 1: got just a short time ago the update of where.

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Speaker 2: They say the shooter was two hundred yards away at

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Speaker 2: a campus building. And I was asking you because I'm

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Speaker 2: terrible with any sort of logistics. And you said it

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Speaker 2: very clearly two football fields away. That's quite a distance.

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Speaker 2: And obviously this person was a good shot, because that

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Speaker 1: And look from where they said they are saying that

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Speaker 2: The perfect I mean, he was looking to kill.

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Speaker 1: He was looking to kill someone, and you cannot. Again,

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Speaker 1: we talk all the time about and we have had

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Speaker 1: these campus scares, these hoaxes and whatnot, but we've seen

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Speaker 1: campus shootings before and people just unload. You had a

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Speaker 1: And again we're authorities, haven't let us know yet, but

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Speaker 1: other than this was a premeditated, a targeted, a planned attack.

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Speaker 1: To know where he was going to be, know where

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Speaker 1: And again, folks, this is a this is a conservative guy,

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Speaker 1: but this isn't like like he has secret service scout.

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Speaker 2: He had personally, he had private security with him. There

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Speaker 2: to students. But it's interesting because in a crowd of students,

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Speaker 2: and according to several news reports, thousands of students were

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Speaker 2: there in the courtyard at Utah Valley University. This is

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Speaker 2: to spread his message. But the person who there is

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Speaker 2: suspect I think many of us would have imagined. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: it was not a student. In fact, it was an

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Speaker 2: elderly man. He had white hair, he was we don't

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Speaker 2: know exactly how old he was, but at least in

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Speaker 2: and he looked like everyone's grandfather. Truly, it did not

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Speaker 2: look like some menacing, twisted, tormented person. This looked like

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Speaker 1: And again we have to be clear, folks, at this point,

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Speaker 1: we do not know. No one knows the who and

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Speaker 1: the why, but we know right now the what and

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Speaker 1: what appears to be a targeted political attack, a targeted

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Speaker 1: political assassination to a certain degree. No, this guy is

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Speaker 1: not holding political office. But if you're not familiar with

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, he is a very high profile conservative and

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Speaker 1: a darling in the MAGA movement. And a big part

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Speaker 2: He has been credited by President Trump himself for helping

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Speaker 2: President Trump get elected this time around by rallying those

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Speaker 2: And yes, this was his first stop on his turning

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Speaker 2: just getting started. This was his first event, was making

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Speaker 1: And please know, and this is look, a lot of

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Speaker 1: falsehoods that yes, Charlie Kirk has gone out there and

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Speaker 1: That's politics, that's rhetoric, and that's what we cannot this,

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Speaker 1: We just can't. Is this just a part of it now?

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Speaker 1: We're just waiting for the next person to be shot?

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Speaker 1: Is this just a part of how we deal with

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Speaker 1: our differences now? Unfortunately it seems like it is, or

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Speaker 1: at least we're going that direction.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you. We haven't actually talked about

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Speaker 2: how we're feeling. We actually have been absorbing this news

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Speaker 2: as the world is in real time. And almost immediately

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Speaker 2: after news of this shooting took place, I heard directly

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Speaker 2: from my college student daughter who is in Colorado, saying, Mom,

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Speaker 2: did you just hear Charlie Kirk has been shot? And

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Speaker 2: my heart is racing, my heart is hurting. We can

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Speaker 2: all disagree, we can all be even angry at one

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Speaker 2: and we can do something to try and fight for change,

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Speaker 2: but not in this way. This just seems so appalling

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Speaker 2: and it just it's escalating. I mean, you think about

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Speaker 2: President Trump has already had two assassination attempts on his

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Speaker 1: This, well, if you mentioned your concern and yes, it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of parents out there have kids on campuses,

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Speaker 1: yeah right now. And look, we had those hoaxes going on.

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Speaker 1: I mean I just thought about it with you, like

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Speaker 1: Your daughter is in Boulder, Colorado. Boulder, Colorado is where

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Speaker 1: we had the attack, the anti Semitic attack. A guy

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Speaker 2: Right there on the heart of campus on Pearl Street.

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Speaker 1: And what was it, the first full week of campus,

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Speaker 1: These things are coming home, They're at our front door

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Speaker 1: are going to the hospital, I'm just saying, at what

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Speaker 2: Or yes right now? Less than a year? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And a year.

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Speaker 2: Look. I think the other issue too is that, Look,

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Speaker 2: report on these incidents, obviously, but it is scary because

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Speaker 2: in this case, we don't know this man's motivation. We

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Speaker 2: don't know if the man arrested is actually the shooter.

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Speaker 2: None of that has been confirmed, But you have to

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Speaker 2: It's just frightening, and I don't know how we can,

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Speaker 2: making heinous decisions about acts of violence.

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Speaker 1: We weren't going to go those way, but you just

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Speaker 1: made me think of it when you said that. How

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Speaker 1: we go about how journalists report on it and how

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Speaker 1: we report on it. But too often we are a

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Speaker 1: part of the news cycle. I'm just making sure we

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Speaker 1: lump ourselves. Oh absolutely, when what we're talking about it

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Speaker 1: You gotta get people on TV screaming and yelling each

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, we must all pray for Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 1: Youre talking about what they saw. What is every student,

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Speaker 2: It's out of control, without a doubt. And yes, we

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