1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us as we are 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: rolling through the program. I am in New York City, Buck, 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: your hometown. There are a bunch of good Christmas tree 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: lights that are up, but I could not escape how 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: eerie it felt to walk by the hotel where that 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: insurance executive was shot assassinated in what feels like cold blood. 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: There is a full on manhunt underway in New York City. 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: Pictures of that individual are out. We will be following 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: that throughout the course of the program. Also, New York 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: City story Daniel Penny. His fate is in the hands 12 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: of a jury over his good samaritan efforts to in 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: his defense, protect people on the subway. We potentially could 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: get a verdict in that case today during the course 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: of this program. So those are two major story that 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: we are monitoring that are both related to New York City. 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: But a couple of other stories that we're going to 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: be on top of for sure during the course of 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: today's program. The fallout of the stupidity from Katanji Brown 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: Jackson and Justice Sonya Soto mayor, and the questions that 21 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: they were asking during the trans Treatment of minors debate 22 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: at the Supreme Court yesterday. Is continuing to get more attention. 23 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: We will talk about that, but Buck, I want to 24 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: start with what feels to me like a clear effort 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: to try to weaken Donald Trump before he comes into 26 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: office by going after his nominees for prominent positions. Matt 27 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: Gates has already had to step down because there was 28 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: no ability to get to fifty votes and allow for 29 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: jd Vance to break the tie. Now Pete Hegseth is 30 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: the next man up. They are taking a pound of 31 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: flesh from him in every single day. The stories out 32 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: there are truly unbelievable. I mean, this is a guy 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: who already had a public job in terms of working 34 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: on Fox News. 35 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: Many of you have watched him for years. 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: As soon as he was nominated as Defense Secretary, they 37 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: have come after him in a big way. 38 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 2: He is continuing his meetings. 39 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: Yesterday he talked to the press about what he was 40 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: asked to do and why he would refuse to step down. 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: This is cut eight. 42 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: Wonderful process to go through and meet senators and talk 43 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: to them, especially members of the Senate Armed Services Committee, 44 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: whose passion is the Defense Department and our war fighters 45 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 3: to hear what they want to do to make sure 46 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: that department is properly oriented for the threats of the 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: world and make sure that we're putting the war fighters first. 48 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 3: That's what Donald Trump asked me to do. Your job 49 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: is to bring a war fighting ethos back to the pentagony. 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 3: Your job is to make sure that it's lethality. Lethality, 51 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: lethality else is gone. Everything else that distracts from that 52 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 3: shouldn't be happening. That's the message I'm hearing from senators 53 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: in that advising consent process. 54 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: It's been a wonderful process. 55 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: Okay that now here is one thing I would like 56 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: to get your opinion on, Buck and Senator Lindsay Graham 57 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: actually says it. He says, I'm not going to make 58 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: any decision in any way that is based on that 59 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: is based on anonymous sources. And almost all of these 60 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: attacks right now are predicated on anonymous sources. You talked 61 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: about yesterday, your wife who worked at Fox News, Carrie 62 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: got a telephone call from a media source asking for 63 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: dirt on. 64 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: Pete hagg Seth. 65 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've gotten any calls I haven't 66 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: gotten any calls, but here is Senator Lindsey Graham talking 67 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: about how and I think this should be the right position. 68 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to make any decision based on what 69 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: an anonymous source says. If you're not willing to put 70 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: your own name behind it, why should I consider it? 71 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: Cut nine. 72 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 4: I've known Pe for a long time. I'll serve with 73 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 4: him in that Againstan, the people over there said nothing 74 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 4: but great things about him. The allegations against Pete are 75 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: all anonymous, anonymous sources. I am not going to make 76 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 4: any decision based on an anonymous source. If you're not 77 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 4: willing to raise your hand under oath and make the accusation, 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 4: it doesn't count. I've heard everything about all these people. 79 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: None of it counts. 80 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Do you think that's 81 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham says a lot of things. I actually agree 82 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: with him on that. Oh, Lindsey Graham is not voting 83 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: against Pete Heggseth if it comes to a vote. Let 84 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: me tell you that right now. Okay, he just wants 85 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: some attention, Lindsey. Maybe he hasn't been on Fox enough lately. 86 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: He wants some people to be like, oh, what does 87 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham think about this, because there is no way 88 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: he is voting against Pete hegg Seth. I think he'll 89 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: come to the right decision in the end, which is yes, 90 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth will go through. I'm also seeing this now, 91 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Clay increasingly, as I was watching Morning Joe this morning. 92 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: This is the beginning of the hashtag resistance. I think 93 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: that in the case of Matt Gates, it was really 94 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: now you can argue whether this was the right decision 95 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: or not, but it was Republicans in the Senate who 96 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: were just like, this is this isn't happening. The Democrats, though, 97 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: are trying to browbeat I mean, they are trying to 98 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: push around the incoming Trump administration here with the New 99 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: York Times and these other people doing their bidding and 100 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: trying to destroy a good man and a good friend 101 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: of ours, Pete Hegseth. And I do think that there's 102 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: the nomination battle, and there's also the higher level politics 103 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump getting the team that he wants for 104 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: his administration and what it means to give the Democrats 105 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: a win if they block it, do you know what 106 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: I mean? There's the specifics of Okay, heg Seth. 107 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: What do we think about this? What about this allegation 108 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: or whatever? 109 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: And as you and I both said, the only criminal 110 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: out against Pete hag Seth, I flatly reject as false. 111 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean, unless somebody shows me something else, I think 112 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: it is untrue. I've read through this stuff. I've read 113 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: through the transcripts. Now we're looking go at what does 114 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: it mean if the Democrats are able to stop Trump 115 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: from getting a secretary of Defense? It just means that 116 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: you're encouraging this, right, Yep, there's more of this coming. 117 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: And I understand a lot of people are taking this 118 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: position that if you bow down even a little bit 119 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: to the Democrats to be quote reasonable whether you viewd's 120 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: reasonable or not, to be willing to hear them out. 121 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: They weren't willing. They called Donald Trump a nazi in 122 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: a fascist. They tried to lock him up in prison, 123 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: they raided his home at mar A Lago. No niceties. Okay, yes, constitutionality, 124 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: but no niceties. There's no like, well, maybe we should 125 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: hear the Democrats out on this. And so I understand 126 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: that sense that there needs to be a Republican steamroller here. 127 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: We have the votes. Pete would be great, ram it through, 128 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: and everything else's nonsense. My only concern is the Republicans, right, yeah, 129 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: because if Republicans stand united, some of these senators are 130 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: a little weak in the knees. 131 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: On this one. 132 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this too. I understand Susan Collins 133 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: in Maine. I think we talked about this yesterday. She 134 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: may be the only Republican that can get elected in Maine. 135 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: The best we're gonna get in main. 136 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: Correct, If she has to sometimes vote against Trump nominees 137 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: or not be in lockstep, that might be an important 138 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: decision she has to make in order to maintain her majority. 139 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: Buck every red state that has a Democrat, sorry, that 140 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: has a Republican senator, Trump won overwhelmingly. Your constituents in 141 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: all these states overwhelmingly said we trust Donald Trump with 142 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: making the most important decisions in the world. How could 143 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: you not trust his nominees if you're a red state 144 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: senator Republican? Again, I understand there aren't very many of them, 145 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: the Susan Collins of the world, that are in purple. Actually, 146 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: she's in a blue state. Trump lost Maine by around 147 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,119 Speaker 1: seven points, so she actually can't win with Republican votes. 148 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: She has to appeal to middle of the road voters. 149 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: But if you're Lisa Murkowski in Alaska, if you are 150 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell in Kentucky, and we all know Mitch McConnell 151 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: is retiring and there's all sorts of issues associated with 152 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: his relationship with Trump. But as if I were a 153 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: red state senator, I would find it my job based 154 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: on how my constituents all voted to support one hundred 155 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: percent of Trump's nominees, and if that were to occur, 156 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: then all of them would get confirmed. Look, the advice 157 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: and consent process is constitutionally prescribed, and I think that 158 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: it's fair for these senators who have their questions to 159 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: want to meet with Pete and talk to them. I mean, 160 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: it's constitutionally, you know, asked for. It's fair for them 161 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: to want to ask him questions at the confirmation hearing. 162 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: But I haven't seen anything that, as a Republican at 163 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: this stage of the game, would should lead to I'm 164 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: not going to give Donald Trump this pick. What he's 165 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: not he's not qualified. I mean, you look at some 166 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: of the people who have run the Defense Department in 167 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: recent years, who do I think is smarter and better 168 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: at the job the current Secretary of Defense or Pete 169 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: heg Seth. 170 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: Not even a question, Pete hegg Seth. 171 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: Tons of Republicans voted for Lloyd Austin to your point 172 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: for Secretary of Defense. Yeah, and I remember I briefed 173 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: Austin one time in Baghdad a long time ago before 174 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: he was such a big deal. And I'm just telling you, 175 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth is going to do a better job as 176 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense in my opinion. So all this stuff though, 177 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: you know that, like I said, there's always this kind 178 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: of the short game and the long game. Right we 179 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: get into the well, what about this thing they're saying, 180 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: or what about the anonymous sourceing and everything else. They 181 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: are just trying to get their first real win, so 182 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: to speak of throwing a wrench into the gears of 183 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: the incoming Trump administration. And I understand why people just 184 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: have an attitude of and I think Republicans should have 185 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: an attitude of no concessions. This should be a non 186 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: because they've only got eighteen months to get big stuff done. 187 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: Maybe it's twelve months, You're right, it needs to be 188 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: no concessions, hit the ground running, all out, or else 189 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: you're just letting Democrats oppose and thwart the will of 190 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: the people through an election so valid and so sweeping 191 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: that even they admit Trump kick their. 192 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: Butts no doubt. 193 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: And elections have consequences. And if I just come back 194 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: to Democrats, get in line and do whatever the party 195 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: wants them to do, Republicans him and haw around it seems, 196 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: instead of supporting it. 197 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 2: Again. 198 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: I understand if there's particular electoral challenges for someone like 199 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: Susan Collins. I think you have to be rational that 200 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: not every Republican senator is from a state that has 201 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: a strong Republican base. But are you telling me that 202 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: that is not the case in Alaska, that that's not 203 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: the case in Kentucky. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. 204 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: Get in line behind him. I also would add this, 205 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth could have continued to make millions of dollars 206 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: a year as a host on Fox and Friends as 207 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: an employee of Fox News. As jobs go, television is 208 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: not an overwhelmingly difficult one, and if you get to 209 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: the level where Pete Hegseth is, it actually pays very well. 210 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: My point on this is when you're coming after Pete 211 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: Hegseth and trying to destroy him. You actually discourage other 212 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: people who have had success in other parts of their 213 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: life from deciding to enter the public arena. And frankly, 214 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: I think I think that's the wrong decision to make. 215 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: He already had a public job. He's already talking to 216 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: millions of people every day on Fox News, as you 217 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: or I do the idea that somehow he's a unique 218 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: threat and somehow he's not qualified to be Defense secretary. Again, 219 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: he's I would argue sacrificing on behalf of the country 220 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: by giving up millions of dollars to take this job 221 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: because he thinks it's important. That's the kind of guy 222 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: I want in that position. Honestly, it's one of the 223 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: reasons why I think so many people initially liked the 224 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: Donald Trump because his independent wealth meant he didn't have 225 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: to bend the knee to every single special interest group 226 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: because he wasn't a professional politician. Well, you see this 227 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: with so many Democrats going to politics as a means 228 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: of acquiring wealth, and that shouldn't be the way that 229 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, to talk about public surveymen. You know, Barack Obama, 230 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: did he serve the public or did he serve himself 231 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: to the tune of over probably one hundred million dollar 232 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: net worth Right now, that's the easiest and most privileged 233 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: post residency jobs, imaginable. 234 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi the best stock trader any of us have 235 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: ever heard of? Isn't that? 236 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: The Pelosi stock tracker buck hit a new all time 237 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: high yesterday. I actually was looking it up, just saying, 238 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: and you look at all these other Democrats, I mean, 239 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: the Clinton's probably the most egregious example of this. Start 240 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: a charity and have one hundred million dollar personal net 241 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: worth after the presidency and spend fifty million dollars on 242 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: private jets over a number of years through their charity. 243 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, Democrats use politics the pretense of public service 244 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: to acquire wealth. Republicans a lot of them, not all 245 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: of them, but a lot of them. You see, go 246 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: in George Bush Arty rich before he went in. Yep, right, 247 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: Dick Cheney, whatever you think of him, already rich before 248 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: he went in. Donald Trump obviously a billionaire before he 249 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: went in. 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We'll throw this into the mix. 277 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: We'll get back here into the battle over over Hexath's confirmation. 278 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: And increasingly I think it's clear to people, uh, you're 279 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: just if if Pete is forced to step down there, 280 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: it's chumming the water, you know. And to some degree 281 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: Gates was, I think as well. That was that was 282 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: going to be uphill for some Republicans. There was no 283 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: question about it. Okay, you're talking about the attorney general, 284 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: and you know, I know Gates, and we said here, 285 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: he should have his day in court. He should be 286 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: able to be able to speak to and Dane Court. Sorry, 287 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: I meant like in front of the Senate. You know, 288 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: he should be able to present his case to them. 289 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: But he chose to step down. He didn't want the 290 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: distraction to continue. Okay, fine, this time around, it would 291 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: be pressure, it would be a bending the bending the 292 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: knee process, and we just shouldn't make that a precedent. 293 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: But I would say a side note here, Clay Top 294 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: Biden aids is reported by Politico are thinking about a 295 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: vigorous and turl debate, is how they describe it, issuing 296 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: preemptive pardons to Fauci, Liz Cheney, Adam Schiff and others. 297 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: Preemptive pardons. They want to talk to us about rule 298 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: of law, and they're discussing preemptive pardons for public officials 299 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: so that you can't even decide what crimes they've committed. Yeah, 300 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: and you know it's funny, Buck. I think partly this 301 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: is Biden trying to deal with the blowback that is 302 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: more intense than he anticipated over pardoning Hunter, because I 303 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: think if he had pardoned all these people at once, 304 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: and I said he should have pardoned Trump too, then 305 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: it would have at least diffused the cloud of just Hunter, 306 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: and the people would have said, oh, this is Biden 307 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: trying to take a stand against the politicization of the 308 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: larger law fair campaign. And we don't know what Trump's 309 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: going to do when he comes into office. You and 310 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: I and most of the people out there listening would 311 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: have heard and understood that to be total bunk. But 312 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: I do think it would have provided some cover. But 313 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: we should talk about this when we come back. Why 314 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: would you pardon someone if you didn't think they did 315 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: anything wrong? I mean, if you legitimately think that there 316 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: is nothing that they did wrong, why would you need 317 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: to pardon doctor Fauci? In particular? I would want to 318 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: know even what they think the conceivable crimes would be 319 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: that they could be charged with, right, I think the 320 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: one that comes to mind would be, you know, lying 321 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: one zero zero one, and Fauci is a liar and 322 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: he is vile, and whatever reputation and history of him 323 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: exists should be should be very. 324 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: Different than what they would like it to be. I'll 325 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: put it that way. 326 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: Let's get right now. You an opportunity to save a 327 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: bundle of money. 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Buck? 347 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: How they just try to call one member from the 348 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: herd at a time because they decide who the weakest 349 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: they think is. Initially it was Matt Gates, because remember, 350 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of attention on Pete hag Seth. 351 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: As soon as Matt. 352 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: Gates gets called and gets pulled from as a nominee, 353 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: nobody's talking about Pam Bondi at all. The new Attorney 354 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: General nominee because they've decided heg Seth is the next 355 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: man or next woman up. Here's the reality. If they 356 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: get heg Seth, they will move on. Who do you 357 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: think the next target would be? Tulsi RFK Junior. K 358 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: Junior would be the next guy up. So it's like 359 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 1: you're the next one in the firing line. They decide 360 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: who they think is the weakest, and they pour all 361 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: of their resources into trying to destroy this person. In May, 362 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: we've invited Pete to come on and just talk to 363 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: all of you. He's very busy, obviously he's got senators 364 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: and the incoming president to talk to. But we asked 365 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: if he wanted to come, and if he responds, we'll 366 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: have him on good idea. By the way, we're going 367 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: to talk to Matt Walsh. We mentioned that transuh Supreme 368 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: Court decision. Matt Walsh spoke at the Supreme Court. It 369 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: was part of his testimony that motivated my home state 370 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: now his home state of Tennessee, to undertake the action 371 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: that the Biden administration is suing to try to stop. 372 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: So we will talk with him. Maybe we should even 373 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: reach out at some point to to Will Kine too, 374 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: since he knows Pete really well. They've been co host 375 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: for a long time, or Rachel uh and his other 376 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: co hosts, and maybe let them tell their stories as well. 377 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: But you mentioned a little bit earlier. Senator Jony Ernst 378 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: of Iowa was on with was on Fox News with 379 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: Bill Hemmer and Dana Bash. Dana Bash and Dana Perino. 380 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: My apologies. Dana Bash is on CNN, Dana Perino, Bill Hemmer, 381 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: I go on their show quite a lot of America's 382 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: news room. They do a good job. This is what 383 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: it sounded like when she was asked about voting for Pete. Hegseth, 384 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't sound on your answer that you've gotten to 385 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: a yes. 386 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 2: If I'm wrong about that, correct me. 387 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: And if that is the case, it sounds to me 388 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: as if the hearing will be critical for his nomination. 389 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 2: Am I right about that? I think I think you 390 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: are right. 391 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 6: I think for a number of our senators they want 392 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 6: to make sure that any allegations have been cleared, and 393 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 6: that's why we have to have a very thorough vetting process. 394 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 6: And that's why I was happy to sit down with 395 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 6: Pete and have that conversation with him yesterday. So again, 396 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 6: all I will say at this time is that we 397 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 6: did have a very thoroughed discussion over a number of 398 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 6: those issues, and the vetting will continue, I am certain, 399 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 6: through the next month or so until we approach that 400 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 6: hearing date. 401 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: So she's not a yes, she's not a no. If 402 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: they have the public hearing, I actually think Pete Hegseth 403 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: will do an amazing job at the hearing because it's 404 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: a TV focused event and he's a TV guy, and 405 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: you'll remember the drama of Brett Kavanaugh in the hearings 406 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: and his force full defense of himself was what ultimately 407 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: got him on the Supreme Court. 408 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: So I don't know how to. 409 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: Really read what she's saying there. She's not a yes, 410 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: she's not a no. I would say, what did Trump 411 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: win Iowa buy thirteen? If I remember correctly, If I'm 412 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: Jony Ernst and my citizens in my state, my constituents 413 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: just voted thirteen points in favor of Donald Trump. If 414 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: you're not a yes or no, you're fifty to fifty 415 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: on something, maybe I'd let my constituents decide. I bet 416 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: they are flooding her in Iowa saying yeah, Pete Hegseth 417 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: needs to be the next Defense secretary. But would you 418 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: agree with me that if it gets to the hearing, 419 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: that Pete is likely to be a very good defender 420 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: of himself in that venue. 421 00:22:58,800 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: Yes. 422 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: One thing that you definitely have as an advantage when 423 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: you bring in people who are who have done media. 424 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: And I also, by the way, just as an aside, 425 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: this this game they play of look, oh here's a 426 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: Fox News host like I was a CIA officer for years, 427 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: Like you're a very successful entrepreneur, sold this company for 428 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,239 Speaker 1: a ton of tons of money, like you know, do 429 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: we want people who are media savvy or have media 430 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: you know, a background I was waiting or you know 431 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. 432 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: They just it's it's you know, Al. 433 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Frankin was was a was a bad comedian before he 434 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 1: was a senator. But now we're going to do this 435 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: thing of because you have media skills and professional media skills, 436 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: you're you're not on television ripping somebody else on television. 437 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: That's the funny part to me for being a television guy. 438 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: You know, Ronald Reagan was an actor. Okay, you know 439 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: that this idea that you're not allowed to have a 440 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: role other than you know, thirty years in some sclerotic 441 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: bureaucracy is absurd, and whether that's you know, in working 442 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill or working for the Pentagon or whatever. 443 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: I actually think we want citizen soldiers, citizen politicians. We 444 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: want people that have had life experience beyond just desperately 445 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: trying to get ahead in a narrow field where, by 446 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: the way, merit is actually very hard to judge, especially 447 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: under the current system with DEI and everything else that's 448 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: going on. So I think I think that's a great 449 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: and important point we should be trying to me as 450 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: opposed to like distracting from it. I'll tell you this, 451 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: I had. I did two Oval Office deep dives as 452 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: a young CIA guy. There was a senior CIA guy 453 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: in the room with me too, but I did two 454 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: Oval Office deep dives with President Bush at the time. 455 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: Put aside the war. You know, my point is merely 456 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: because he didn't present very well and wasn't really that 457 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: quick on his feet, because he had a little bit 458 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: of a Texas twang, and the coastal media likes to 459 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: go after all this stuff. They created this caricature of 460 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: him as dumb. He is not dumb, righty, there's there. 461 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: He is absolutely not dumb, and they were able to 462 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: convince everybody of how dumb you. You can disagree with 463 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: a lot of his stuff, and I do, but he 464 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: is not dumb. Uh So now we have people that 465 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: are adept on their feet. I mean jd Vance did 466 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: you see so they say, oh, Trump's not a great, 467 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, Lincoln Douglas style debater. That's the kind of 468 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: debate that I did. And then jd Vance puts on 469 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: an absolute clinic and they're like, well, whatever, he's just 470 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: man explaining his bad ideas. You can't win with these people, 471 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: and Pete can't win with them either. 472 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 2: Is the point? What else do you think you need 473 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 2: to know? If your Jony ernst I mean, in all honesty, 474 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 2: if you get to. 475 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: Meet with someone face to face, which she has, that's 476 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: not an on the record interaction, in other words, not 477 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: like you're raising your right hand and swearing under oath. 478 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: It's a private one on one which would theoretically allow 479 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: you to ask whatever questions you might want to ask 480 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: that were otherwise not for public hearing. I don't understand 481 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: how you couldn't make your decision in that one on 482 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: one meeting. Well, you know they've also changed, and we're 483 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: having to do this off of It's like a big 484 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: game a telephone. Remember when you were a kid, and 485 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you did this in 486 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: like kindergarten, but somebody would say something, and twenty people 487 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: later they would say what they thought. 488 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: They'd been told. And it always was a mess. 489 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: You know, we're being told what's going on in the 490 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: inner circle, not only of the Trump decision making, but 491 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: also of these senators, and the media is putting this 492 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: filter on all of it. I think at first Clay, 493 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: they tried this sexually. They thought the quote kill shot metaphorically, yeah, 494 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: was the sexual assault allegation thing in the NBA. But 495 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: then everyone looked at this and said, hold on a second, Okay, 496 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: this doesn't add up. This doesn't this doesn't look like 497 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: what this and their note and critically no charges were 498 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: even brought, never mind a guilty verdict. Then it moved 499 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: on to like, this guy's had a lot of marriages 500 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: and he did have an affair with this woman and 501 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: everything else, And to this, I say, look, that's a 502 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: matter of public record, and individuals can choose to care 503 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: about that or not. I think in the era of 504 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, who's also on his third marriage. People are 505 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 1: much less likely to cast stones and dispersions about this stuff. 506 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: They want the policy, they want the wins, they want 507 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: what's best for the country, and they're willing to look 508 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: at that right what the person will do in the job, 509 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: more than do they have an imperfect personal life. 510 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: So that but they moved on. 511 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: That was the fixation for a couple of days, and 512 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: now it's the drinking thing. In to that, I just say, well, okay, 513 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: let's say, let's just say Pete did like to you know, 514 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: party a little bit ten years ago or something, and he, 515 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: like George Bush, was an alcoholic, yes, before he became president, 516 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: and he gave up drinking entirely. Pete said, this isn't 517 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: a problem for him now, and he would not drink 518 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: at all if he was Secretary of Defense. 519 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,479 Speaker 2: So do you know what I mean? Tell to me now. 520 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: They seemed to be floundering in their lines of attack, 521 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: which is again, if you wanted to go after him 522 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: for multiple marriages, which I think they tried, it didn't work. 523 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: They went after him for a sexual assault allegation. Buck 524 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: I think he was actually helped here because they investigated 525 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: it and chose not to bring charges. You know, in 526 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: the Kavanaugh case, he was actually harmed because somebody just said, hey, 527 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: thirty years ago or whatever. The heck, the math was 528 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: forty years ago, somebody tried to pick me up and 529 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: like make out with me at a party, and all 530 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: the details were sketchy and there was not an actual 531 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: police investigation here. In the one that they tried to 532 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: come after heg Seth with they said, oh, yeah, we 533 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: investigated it. We chose not to bring charges. There wasn't 534 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: a crime here, and so I think that sort of vanished, 535 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: and now they're onto alcohol. But the problem is, I mean, 536 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: to your point, George W. Bush got a dui, I'm 537 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: not saying, by the way that everybody who gets a 538 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: dui is you know, is awful, or on the flip side, 539 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: that it's not a significant issue. 540 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 2: But am I wrong? 541 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: There's nothing in heg Seth's past from a criminal nature 542 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: associated with his drinking. So they're left with just saying, oh, well, 543 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: this guy likes alcohol. It's very like they tried this 544 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: with Kavanaugh too. They tried to say, oh, Kavanaugh drinks 545 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: too much, and he actually came out and said, yeah, 546 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: I like beer. You know, occasional I'll have drinks. Now 547 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: they have anonymous sources. I've been to a lot of 548 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: these Fox parties. Now they're basically saying, oh, at a 549 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: Christmas party, Pete Hegsett had too much out. I'm like, 550 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: is this real that you like have anonymous sources about 551 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: like Fox holiday parties and how much people drink there. 552 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Ulysses Grant like to drink at different times 553 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: in his life, and people would argue, you might have 554 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: been the greatest military strategist, certainly of the nineteenth century 555 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: in America. So how about Churchill? Churchill was a functioning alcoholic. 556 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: I've read like five biographies of Churchill. So I mean, 557 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: by the way, this is not this is not to 558 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: say that Pete is also and therefore I'm just saying 559 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: we're holding a very tight standard here for Pete. Like 560 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: at the Christmas party he looked like he was having 561 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: a little too much fun ten years ago. Anonymous sources 562 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: from parties like, I'm sorry, Like you and I are 563 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: going to be at the inauguration, I will guarantee you 564 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: in advance, I will probably have several alcoholic drinks. I've 565 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: had several alcoholic drinks that a lot of clay and 566 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: buck functions. If I would carry clay over my shoulder 567 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: across Georgetown during inauguration parties, it's a one time thing. 568 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: Everybody, don't worry. 569 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: I mean, But in all seriousness, if I were to 570 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: fit the secretary, would there be anonymous sources saying, you know, 571 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: you know who likes to get a drink at the 572 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: bar every day and at parties? I mean, is this 573 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: really where we are? Producer Alley points out something too. 574 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: You know, he served in combat, and a lot of 575 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: people come back from combat and they've got they've got PTSD, 576 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: and there's no stigma to this at all. Now people 577 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: understand this is a part of that level of service 578 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: to your country for so many people. Not everybody has it, 579 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: but a lot of people. It is very, very common. 580 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: And one of the ways that people self medicate with 581 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: that in the early stages is drinking calms down the 582 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: central nervous system. People then get help. They you know, 583 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: they don't want to go down that pathway too much. 584 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, so now, you know, this would be 585 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 1: like saying, oh, the guy came back from combat, you know, 586 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: he had to see a shrink for depression. For a 587 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: few months. I don't know if he can be Secretary 588 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: of Defense. It's like, how dare you lives in the 589 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: media cast these kinds of judgments. How many of them 590 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: have ever had bullets from the enemy flying over their heads? 591 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: Very few? 592 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't tell me pete bouta judge. The guy 593 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: was serving in a Starbucks in Afghanistan. 594 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: I've been there. 595 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: Remember when they tried to do that to John McCain, 596 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: They said, oh, does he have the temperament to be 597 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: president because he was a pow Do you remember that 598 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: attack when he ran in two thousand and eight. They 599 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: tried to trot that out. I think it's really unfair 600 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: when somebody served their country to try to use some 601 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: of the impact of what serving your country can cause, psychologically, emotionally, 602 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: all those things to say, oh, you're not able to 603 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: help serve for on behalf of other soldiers. I would 604 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: suggest that having been in that combat situation might be 605 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: some way to actually connect with the rank and file 606 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: in a way that the head of the Defense Department 607 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: generally doesn't. In other words, when you put your own 608 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: life on the line, as you're asking millions of young 609 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: men and women across the nation and around the world 610 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: to do. I would submit that that's a pretty good connection. 611 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: But again, to me, the fact that they've had to 612 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: move now to oh, he drinks too much is a 613 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: sign that otherwise they haven't been able to derail the 614 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: nomination so far, and they're searching for something that they 615 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: can hook. It's also slimy because how do you, like, 616 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: how do you prove you can prove you didn't. You 617 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: can convince people based on the evidence. Look, I did 618 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: not sexually assault anybody. And you can convince people based 619 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: on your resume that you have the skill set to 620 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: do the job. How do you convince people that you 621 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: know you don't have four glasses of wine instead of 622 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: two when you go out ten years ago or something. Yeah, 623 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: you can't really clear your name. That's why I come 624 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: back to. 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Yeah, 688 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: because this case is probably coming to a conclusion this week, 689 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: maybe even today, maybe even while we are on the air, 690 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: I think we should discuss it. And then also just 691 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: new details about this assassination. It was clearly an assassination 692 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: of the CEO of United Healthcare. That occurred right outside 693 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: of our New York City radio studio. 694 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 2: Yep, so I mean hitting. 695 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: Close to home. Our team, if it wasn't with a 696 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: silencer on, probably could have heard the shot. So we 697 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: will discuss what's. 698 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 2: Going on here. We'll get into all of this. Take 699 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 2: some of your. 700 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 1: Calls the next hour and just a big hour radio 701 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: coming your way. 702 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck keeping it going, Stay with us.