1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: So so so. It's a. 2 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 2: So so. 3 00:02:19,760 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: S s. 4 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 4: See. 5 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 5: Good morning, Saturday, twenty sixth of April, anal Dormini, twenty 6 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 5: twenty five. We've got the Papal Funeral special edition here 7 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 5: for you today. Steve Bannon is out on special assignment, 8 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 5: so we had the evening scenes there from that was 9 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 5: the requiem playing in the background of Pope Francis's funeral 10 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 5: that took place a few hours ago in Rome, not 11 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 5: far away from me. And we're going to be breaking 12 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 5: down on the show today what this means for the 13 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 5: Catholic Church generally, what this means for American Catholics, for America, 14 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 5: for the wider fight for Western civilization. Let's start straight 15 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 5: away with Liz. You're and old friend of the War Room. Liz. 16 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 5: I know you've been involved for many years now. I 17 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 5: think you founded your organization your Children with a special 18 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 5: emphasis on protecting the integrity of human rights with regard 19 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 5: to the kids, a role that I think the Catholic 20 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 5: Church has a unique voice to play on that. Firstly, 21 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 5: I gather you up quite early this morning to watch 22 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 5: the papal Funeral. What were your first impressions watching as 23 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 5: a Cathleen. 24 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 6: Yes, as an irishwoman. 25 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 7: I got up at two am to see the last Hurrah, 26 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 7: as we Irish call it, and my first impression was, 27 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 7: of course the beauty and dignity of the Catholic liturgical service, 28 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 7: the funeral mass, the magnificence of Saint Peter's Square, the priests, 29 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 7: the bishops, the cardinals, and of course reflecting on these 30 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 7: last dozen years of this pontifical regime. You know, very 31 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 7: few people know that I met Francis and was in 32 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 7: his presence for about twenty minutes. Early on his papacy 33 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 7: in twenty thirteen, I attended his human trafficking conference, and 34 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 7: I might say I was a big fan of Francis, 35 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 7: and when I attended it, I realized, to my shock 36 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 7: and horror that this was going to be a radical, 37 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 7: radical papacy. They were describing human trafficking as a result 38 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 7: of none other than climate change. So at that point 39 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 7: I recognized that I had to keep my eye on 40 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 7: this papacy, on Francis, and really watch it closely and 41 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 7: investigate everything this happened. So I didn't start off being 42 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 7: a critic of Francis on the contrary, but after twelve years, 43 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 7: you know, there's a saying that God puts right at 44 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 7: night the mess that Argentines make by the day. So 45 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 7: I guess the real question is is this Argentine had 46 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 7: twelve years to make messes in the church, And the 47 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 7: question is is are the cardinals and the conclave willing 48 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 7: to clean up the mess or to carry on the chaos. 49 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 7: I was extremely concerned by the homily by Cardinal Ray, 50 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 7: the Dean of the Cardinals. 51 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 6: I felt it was instead. 52 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 7: Of an opportunity to evangelize about the beauty of the 53 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 7: faith and what this moment in you know, when a 54 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 7: person is handled to God for judgment, what this means 55 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 7: in our Catholic tradition, And instead he used that opportunity 56 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 7: to promote and celebrate the political agenda of Francis. Specifically 57 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 7: the mass on the border of the United States in 58 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 7: Mexico in twenty fifteen, which I personally know and have researched, 59 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 7: was the result of Ted mccerric, the serial predator, had 60 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 7: arranged this mass to promote mass immigration, and frankly, it 61 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 7: was the trial run for the mass immigration we saw. 62 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 7: And here is Trump sitting there with his wife at 63 00:07:59,440 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 7: the funeral. 64 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 5: Litt let me stop you there, because you mentioned a 65 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 5: couple of things that I want to dig down on. Firstly, however, 66 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 5: you mentioned the conclave, and I want to come back 67 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 5: to the president, the presence of President Trump at the moment, 68 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 5: but you mentioned the forthcoming conclave. When we spoke last night, 69 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 5: you mentioned something to me about this secret Vatican agreement 70 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 5: with the CCP with China, which presumably contains a text 71 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 5: that's so toxic, toxicity of which that text has never 72 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 5: been received. Tell me a bit what you were telling 73 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 5: me last night about what your plan is between now 74 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 5: and the conclave regarding that secret Vatican deal. 75 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 7: Well, frankly, I don't like to talk about the sweepstakes 76 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 7: of who is the papabile. I think the more important 77 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 7: thing is to talk about the issues, and number one 78 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 7: issue is the exposure and release of the terms of 79 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 7: this catastrophic secret China deal that has been a millstone 80 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 7: around the neck of the Catholic Church in China, the 81 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 7: unfaithful underground church. And I think you know that it 82 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 7: is absolutely essential that before a pope is elected by 83 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 7: the conclaim that there needs to be a test as 84 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 7: to what they will do with the China agreement. It 85 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 7: needs to be exposed to the light of day. It's 86 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 7: been renewed three times. It has caused untold suffering persecution 87 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 7: in China and among Christians and Catholics, the arresting of 88 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 7: bishops and laity and priests, the detaining and torturing of them. 89 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 6: I want to see. 90 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 7: Now we've already had Filipino Bishop Tugla say he supports 91 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 7: the the kind of the deal, the secret deal. I 92 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 7: think to me that that's a disqual fire. Same thing 93 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 7: with Prolyn the Secretary of State, who was the architect 94 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 7: of the China Deal. 95 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 6: This is a disaster. It needs to. 96 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 7: Be absolutely revoked, declared null and void. There needs to 97 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 7: be a formal apology to the Chinese Catholics and Christians 98 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 7: by the Catholic Church, by the conclave, by the next pope. 99 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 7: That is the first order of business. So my hope 100 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 7: is that the sweepstakes are about the issues that have 101 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 7: plagued the church in the last twelve years, and to 102 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 7: write those issues and write the ship of state. 103 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 5: Liz, what were you mentioning about President Presidents there? Because 104 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 5: I know he's come under some criticism from traditionalist Catholic 105 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 5: for going to the funeral of a man who fairly 106 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 5: loathed him, hated him, and used every opportunity he had 107 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 5: to of mind President Trump and his maculate agenda. What's 108 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 5: your take on that? Could you just give me just 109 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 5: two minutes before we head into the break. 110 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 7: Sure, you know, there's a lot of talk about Francis 111 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 7: the merciful, wasn't it. Although he repeatedly ap pilloried the pious, 112 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 7: he demeaned a holy people, he criticized Trump as un Christian, 113 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,599 Speaker 7: he got very involved and interfered in the political campaigns 114 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 7: of twenty sixteen, twenty twenty and twenty twenty four. And 115 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 7: yet the merciful one, it seems to me, is Donald Trump, 116 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 7: who graciously with his wife attended the funeral. And that 117 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 7: to me, despite you know, really being excoriated by Francis 118 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 7: and criticizing Trump's efforts to restore safety to the border 119 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 7: to deport illegals, he has been in a basically an 120 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 7: intellectual wrestling match with Francis, and and yet nevertheless he 121 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 7: shows up, as did actually the Argentine president. But I 122 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 7: think it just indicates the heart of Donald Trump that 123 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 7: he's willing to forgive and move forward, and of course 124 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 7: the respect he has for the Catholic Church as an 125 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 7: important institution in not only in global politics, but in 126 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 7: the life of each and every citizen of the world. 127 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 5: So you're basically your thesis is is that President from 128 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 5: presidents at the funeral shouldn't be misconstrued. Is more showing 129 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 5: reverence and respect to the office of the papacy rather 130 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,479 Speaker 5: than its recently departed occupants. 131 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 6: Yes, that's right. 132 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 7: We know Francis was a hardened political operative that his 133 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 7: vast agenda were the global politics of the elite of the. 134 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 6: New World order. 135 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 7: He promoted those from the moment meant he stepped out 136 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 7: on the Loja. And so nevertheless, it was Trump who 137 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 7: put aside politics and political hurts and disagreements and respected, 138 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 7: I think the Catholic Church and the position of the 139 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 7: papacy as an institution that. 140 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 6: Requires his presence. 141 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 7: There showed honor for the office as well as respect 142 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 7: for Catholics, and he said, you know, I have a 143 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 7: lot of Catholic supporters both in my administration and supporters. 144 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 5: Stand by this. We'll be coming back to you just 145 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 5: after this quick reportage from the fuel itself and then 146 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 5: a quick break. We'll be back in just two minutes. 147 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 8: Through Sentry's chairs. 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If you want to get 166 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 5: in on the action, go to Birchgold dot com, slash 167 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 5: Bannon or text Bannon to nine eight nine eight nine 168 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 5: A and get your free copy of the Ultimate for 169 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 5: Gold in the Trumpet. Don't let the Vatican sweep up 170 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 5: the whole of the gold supply, folks. Okay, So my 171 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 5: next guest, Philip Willen, is, along with Tom Kington, one 172 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 5: of the two legendary Rain correspondents for the Times of London. Philip, 173 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 5: welcome on to the show. I think this is your 174 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 5: first time on the show. You've got this great article 175 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 5: out right now headline Trump's allies hope a firm friend 176 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 5: will emerge from the Sistine Chapel. Good morning, Welcome. Tell 177 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 5: me what the thesis of your article in a few words, 178 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 5: and then we'll break it down. 179 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 9: Well. 180 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 10: In essence, the article is about concerns over who might 181 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 10: be in a position to influence the outcome of the 182 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 10: conclave for political reasons. And obviously we've seen that with 183 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 10: modern technology and almost unlimited financial resources, people can sway 184 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 10: democratic elections in countries, despite the scale and the difficulty. 185 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 11: Obviously, the role of. 186 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 10: El Musk in the elections in the United States, limited 187 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 10: money and control of X. 188 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 11: Must have had some influence on the outcome. 189 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 10: So the departure point was what sort of risks might 190 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 10: there be that external temporal powers could exert an influence 191 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 10: over the outcome of the deliberations of the cardinals, And 192 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 10: that was the point of departure for my analysis. And 193 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 10: I found particularly interesting a theory put forward by Alberto Maloney, 194 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 10: who's an eminent church historian, about the possibility of what 195 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 10: he called a Carolingian option, which goes back to the 196 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 10: days of Charlottmagne when in the Holy Roman Empire the 197 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 10: emperor confirmed the pope in his position and the pope 198 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 10: would consecrate the emperor. And the danger that Maloney indicated 199 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 10: was that you could have a modern equivalent today if 200 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 10: you have a figure arriving at a kind of imperial 201 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 10: status in a position to exert. 202 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 11: Undue influence over the church. 203 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 10: And in this case, in Maloney's view, this kind of 204 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 10: imperial role could fall to Donald Trump and JD. Vance, 205 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 10: who visited the pope in fact, just on the day 206 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 10: before he died. 207 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 5: But this is obviously going to be news Philip that 208 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 5: will strike fear into the heart of progressive liberal journalists, 209 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 5: but have but have Maga applauding and sharing as they're 210 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 5: listening to this, So it's actually a prospect of ford 211 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 5: your thesis in this article, and we'll have the link 212 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 5: up for everyone if they if they want to go 213 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 5: after the show and read it. As strongly recommend it's 214 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 5: a great article. So you're basically suggesting then that it's 215 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 5: not beyond the realms of feasibility that Donald Trump. 216 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: J. D. 217 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 5: Bance might be able to put their thumb on the scale, 218 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 5: perhaps in some way in the future. 219 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 10: Conclaim yes, that's the sort of starting point of the theory. 220 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 10: I think in this case, as you in fact had 221 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 10: mentioned to me when we spoke earlier, the chances of 222 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 10: a genuinely conservative candidate coming. 223 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 11: Out on top are rather remote. 224 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 10: Obviously, Francis has appointed eight percent of the cardinals in 225 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 10: the College of Cardinals with the right to vote now, 226 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 10: so it's unlikely that they're going to turn their. 227 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 11: Backs on his progressive agenda. 228 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 10: But it is a question, looking further to the future, 229 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 10: how temporal powers could interfere with the activities of the 230 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 10: Roman Catholic Church in a world which is transformed by 231 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 10: developments in technology, artificial intelligence, and money. Huge concentrations of 232 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 10: money in the hands of tech magnates. 233 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 11: So going forward. 234 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 10: Temporal power in the form of the president of an 235 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 10: enormously powerful country or people with a strong political agenda, 236 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 10: but who are also interested in the influence of the 237 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 10: Catholic Church. That's potentially, to my mind, a source of 238 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 10: threat to the purity and genuineness of people who run 239 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 10: the church and should be running it purely on spiritual 240 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 10: lines and not on political lines. 241 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 5: I'd apply with your posing words there direct is a 242 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 5: criticism of this. But here's a question I have for you, 243 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 5: because you spent many decades that most of your life. 244 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken, in Rome, you're an old hand there. 245 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 5: Tell me something about this particular papal death and the 246 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 5: reaction to it in Rome. Do you think it's different 247 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 5: in tenor say, perhaps to the death of Jompel the second. 248 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 10: I think it's been very interesting actually to see what 249 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 10: has happened and the reaction of people in Rome. I 250 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 10: think there has been an enormous outpouring of sympathy for 251 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 10: poat Francis, partly because due to the transparency that he 252 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 10: himself insisted on, we were given an enormous amount of 253 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 10: information about what about time he had in hospital when 254 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 10: he was very seriously ill and twice came close to dying, 255 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 10: and we heard from his doctors in unusual detail exactly 256 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 10: how gruelling that had been. 257 00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 11: So I think there was a lot of. 258 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 10: Sympath that came for him that came out of that, 259 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 10: and I think people also were impressed by the fact 260 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 10: that he continued working and effectively effectively or one doesn't 261 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 10: know how effectively, but in principle running the church, signing 262 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 10: documents when he was very ill in hospital and on 263 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 10: occasion only able to sign with his initial f for Franciscos, 264 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 10: but he kept the documents coming out. He couldn't speak, 265 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 10: but he kept teaching and ruling despite his very very 266 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 10: serious condition in hospital. I think people were struck by that, 267 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 10: and he was very much admired for it. And again 268 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 10: the follow up to that was his last appearance on 269 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 10: Easter Sunday, where again he was in very poor shape, 270 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 10: clearly suffering, but he insisted on delivering his blessing would 271 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 10: be at Orgby and then traveling around Saint Peter's Square 272 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 10: in the popemobile blessing Maybies just hours away from his death. 273 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 11: I think people were very. 274 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 10: Struck by the courage that he showed, and the determination, 275 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 10: the fact that he had no intention of resigning the papacy. 276 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 10: He was going to keep playing the role of pope 277 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 10: really to the bitter end. 278 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 11: I think people were struck by that. And a final thing, 279 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 11: if I might, it. 280 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 10: Was interesting that his decision he went against tradition, deciding 281 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 10: not to live in the Vatican where previous popes had lived, 282 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 10: and he also decided not to be buried where most 283 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 10: recent popes had been, in the crypt of Saint Peter's. 284 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 10: And this led to him coming out once again in 285 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 10: the popemobile crossing Rome, driving past the iconic sites of Rome, 286 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 10: past the coliseum, and being greeted by the people of 287 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 10: Rome who he had established a case relationship with because 288 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 10: he used to He used to go out of the 289 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 10: shops and to visit friends in a way the previous 290 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 10: post had not done. 291 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 5: The next time, I were back in and the drilled down. 292 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 5: Or my question to you whether the degree of sentimentality 293 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 5: and emotion has been the same for Francis as it 294 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 5: was for JP two. Stay tuned, We're back in Femini, 295 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 5: Welcome back. This is the papal uneral special on world 296 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 5: Here at the Helm Felling in for Steve Bannon. Well, 297 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 5: if you live in a marble palace like a cardinal 298 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 5: or a pope, you're pretty safe, I guess. But if, 299 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 5: like me, you don't, then you might want to take 300 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 5: a look at home title Lock, because your home is 301 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 5: at risk of being stallen from under your feet without 302 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 5: your knowledge as you sleep. 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Therefore, when jomp All the Second die, 309 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 5: this is something that we do want to drill down on. 310 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 5: The warming POLICI wants to drill down on is there 311 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 5: a different in level of intensity between the affections, say sentimentality, 312 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 5: say emotions displayed at the death of drantis compared to 313 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 5: that of jomp All the Second. 314 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 11: I think it's difficult to answer that question. 315 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 10: Clearly, the degree of grief that people feel varies. Some people, 316 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 10: particularly close personally to the pope, obviously extremely upset. Huge 317 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 10: crowds have come out to bid him farewell. 318 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 11: But I think what has been interesting is that. 319 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 10: Despite the sad occasion of a death, the mood has 320 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 10: been quite upbeat, and possibly also the very large crowds. 321 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 11: Because a lot of pilgrims were in Rome in any 322 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 11: case for the jubilee and in particular this. 323 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 10: Weekend for the canonization of Carlo Acutis. 324 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 11: So a lot of young people. 325 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 10: Who were in Rome for the canonization of the first 326 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 10: millennial saint and found that instead they were going to 327 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 10: the funeral of a pope. 328 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 11: But it did mean that there was. 329 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 10: Really quite positive atmosphere, and I think a feeling that 330 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 10: people were encouraged by the Christian message that the end 331 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 10: of life on earth was not the end of everything 332 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 10: for believers. 333 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 11: So I think obviously there was. 334 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 10: Grief, there was a very big crowd, but there was 335 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 10: a sort of upbeat atmosphere at the end of the day. 336 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 11: And I might also mention that. 337 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 10: The Italian authorities really handled what was a logistics nightmare 338 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 10: with great skill. They got huge crowds into and out 339 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 10: of of Saint Peter's Square in an orderly manner. They 340 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 10: got in the world leaders from across the globe in 341 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 10: an orderly manner, and they handled this very delicate, massive 342 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 10: operation with great skill and tact so I think they 343 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 10: deserve they deserve praise for the way they carried it off. 344 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 10: And also I think it was interesting to see the 345 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 10: photographs of Donald Trump meeting with Vladimir Zelenski and President 346 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 10: Macron of France and Prime Minister Starmer of the United 347 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 10: Kingdom in Saint Peter's Basilica before the beginning of the funeral, 348 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 10: and also the one on one meeting that he had 349 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 10: with Zelenski to discuss the war in Ukraine. I know 350 00:31:53,280 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 10: that Pope Francis in his spiritual testament talked of dedicating 351 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 10: the suffering at the end of his life to the 352 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 10: cause of world peace, and the fact that these leaders 353 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 10: could come together to discuss trying to end a very 354 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 10: bloody and destructive war in Ukraine, actually in Saint Peter's 355 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 10: Basilica itself on the occasion of his funeral, hopefully trying 356 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 10: to find an intelligent peace solution for the war. If 357 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 10: that actually brought that closer, one could think of it 358 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 10: almost as a miracle worked by the Pope on this 359 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 10: very extraordinary and historic. 360 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 5: Exception, Don't it's a perfect point to end on. But 361 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 5: if you're going to try and use that as the 362 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 5: miracle book canonization, I think a number of eyebrows are 363 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 5: going to be raised in skepticism. Philip, Well, and thanks 364 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 5: very much for coming on the show. 365 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 10: No one, no one has been saying Santa Silvia that 366 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 10: I'm aware. 367 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 5: Of nobody, nobody, nobody this time around. Listen, where do 368 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 5: people go to get your first rate writings in the 369 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 5: Times of London? Where are you on social media? 370 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 10: I'm not particularly present on the social media at all. 371 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 10: I'm a representative of the dinosaur generation. 372 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 11: So I think you just have to go to the 373 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 11: website of the newspaper. 374 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 5: Times dot co dot uk. 375 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 11: That yes, at the Times dot co dot uk. 376 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 5: Perfect Will and thanks very much indeed for joining us 377 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 5: today for our paper funeral special. Great, well, my next guess, 378 00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 5: My next, My next guest is Frank Walker, the founder 379 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 5: and editor of I think one of the most important 380 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 5: news aggregated out there, Canon two one two, which is, 381 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 5: to put it in simple terms, it's basically the traditional 382 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 5: Catholic answer to the Drudge Report. Frank, Welcome onto the show. 383 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 5: Many people suggested to me when I said that you're 384 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 5: going to be on this morning. But the two of 385 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 5: us together, are we going to be Okay? I've just 386 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 5: heard that some technical issues. I think, do we have 387 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 5: Frank or should we cut back to the Lizzio guys. Okay, 388 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 5: there are technical technic issues. Let's come back to you. 389 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 5: You were listened to that discussion that we just had 390 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 5: with Philip Willan from the time about the Trump's allies 391 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 5: hope for a firm friend emerging from the Sistine Chapel. 392 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 5: What's your take on the case. Do you think that 393 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 5: the administration has any reasonable chances of finding someone who's 394 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 5: going to support what they're trying to try to reverse, 395 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 5: if you will, that the present Catholic Church's position, for example, 396 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 5: on unrestricted illegal immigration, or is this just is this 397 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 5: just happy to talk? 398 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 7: Well, you know, I think the enemies to the church 399 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 7: are not from outside but from within. The Saint Golan mafia, 400 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 7: as we know that was largely responsible for the election 401 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 7: of Jree Bergolio, came from modernist cardinals, and I don't 402 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 7: think for one minute that they're going to give up 403 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 7: the power that they feel that they have exerted in 404 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 7: the last twelve years that may or may not have 405 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 7: been in conjunction with the masters of the universe, the globalists. 406 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 6: I suspect it was. 407 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 7: But when you look at every single issue that has 408 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 7: been promoted by Francis has been really the gold standard 409 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 7: of the globalists. LGBT ideology, gender ideology, the Islamicization of Europe, 410 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 7: also the mass migration that has happened in the United States. 411 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 7: All of these are, you know, the radical agenda of 412 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 7: the globalists. I think the threat is going to continue 413 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 7: from inside the church. By the way, you know, there's 414 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 7: been reports that two years ago there was a reconstitution 415 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 7: of the what we call the Saint Golan mafia in 416 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 7: preparation for the next election, the next conclave. So I 417 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 7: don't have that kind of confidence that we are going 418 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 7: to have a new change of leadership. I hope in 419 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 7: Pray we are an easter people. We have hope, but 420 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 7: I cannot see the globalists who are embedded in the conclave. 421 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 7: And by the way, Pope Francis has appointed eighty percent 422 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 7: of the cardinals who are will be voting in this conclave, 423 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 7: so it's very likely that they share share his globalist agenda. Secondly, 424 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 7: I would I would argue with with Philip that this 425 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 7: has not been the pope of dialogue or transparency. He 426 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:18,919 Speaker 7: was highly secretive about his dealings with China. He has 427 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 7: refused to really disclose what actually went on with Ted 428 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 7: mccerric and China. 429 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 6: He has not been open about. 430 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 7: His what I consider that he has been a papal 431 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 7: predator protector for the last twelve years, and so I'm 432 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 7: very concerned about the victims of clergy abuse that have 433 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 7: not been served by this by this pontificate. And secondly, 434 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 7: I would say, you know that the traditional Latin mask 435 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 7: supporters have not had a hearing. There's been no dialogue 436 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 7: with them, and they deserve a full hearing for with 437 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 7: respect to the Latin Mask, which is thriving, growing largely 438 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 7: among young people. 439 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 5: So and if I might add, despite his best and 440 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 5: intentions to suppress that, can I just go back a 441 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 5: bit of what you were saying before you said two things, 442 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 5: and I just want to break that down. And we've 443 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 5: got to like about a minute and a half. What 444 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 5: did you mean when you said that you think that 445 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 5: the main dangerous threats to the Catholic Church are within 446 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 5: rather than with that And what were you referring to 447 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 5: when you mentioned the Saint Girl and mafia. 448 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 7: The Saint Colin Mafia. I'm Cardinal Denials, who has since 449 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 7: passed away. He's the Cardinal of Brussels, Belgium. And a 450 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 7: number of other cardinals from Germany and from England, including 451 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 7: Cardinal Ted mccarett, the notorious sexual predator, met repeatedly way 452 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 7: back in the nineteen ninety eighths, going forward to replace 453 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 7: what they would consider to be the medieval pontificate of 454 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 7: John Paul the Second impose a new modernist agenda on 455 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 7: the Catholic Church. They were not successful in two thousand 456 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 7: and five. They had lobbied very hard for Brigolio in 457 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 7: two thousand and five election. Benedict, who was clearly opposed 458 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 7: to the globalist plan and would never have allowed the 459 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 7: LGBT ideology or the Islamization of Europe to occur during 460 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 7: his pontificate, was elected in twenty five. However, we know 461 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 7: what happened in twenty thirteen, the shock of the world 462 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 7: that Benedicts stepped down and the election of Brigolio. 463 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 6: And this is interesting when we hear all. 464 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 7: The talk about the Papa Bila in twenty thirteen, ben 465 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 7: there was no mention in the betting markets of Jorge Brigolio. 466 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 6: He was number fortieth on the list. 467 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 7: So what they did, what the Saint Gollin mafia did, 468 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 7: who lobbied and really politics for Brigolio, They kept it 469 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 7: close to the vest. They counted their vote. And I 470 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 7: think there's a warning shot for all of us right 471 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 7: now that this may be going on as we speak. 472 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 7: So the sweet steaks that are going on with respect 473 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 7: to Papa Blay need to have that cautionary tale that 474 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 7: there may be a stocking horse out there, but the 475 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 7: real modernists will come forward at the end. 476 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 5: Listen hold on that point. We're going to come back 477 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 5: to that late on in the show. We've also got 478 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 5: Frank Walker, John yev Instead, Lucasen coming up to break 479 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 5: down the events of today on this War Room Papal 480 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 5: Funeral Special. 481 00:40:37,719 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 12: Stay with us, we'll be back in just two minutes. 482 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 13: See the Nyts, the name brazorty. 483 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 14: Y Queen, Let's see on see more ful sort sqeeze 484 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 14: the lady team, no morey Falcless you the sun. 485 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 5: For welcome back. What you can see on the screen 486 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 5: then is the casket of Pope Francis being led to 487 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 5: his eventual resting place. At Saint Mary major break rook conditions. 488 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 5: He's not being buried at Saint Peter's. Okay, So my 489 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 5: next guest, we'll carry him on over into the second 490 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 5: hour of Frank Walker. I'll give the poper introduction again, 491 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 5: because the lion collapsed just as we were about to 492 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 5: put to him before. In the show, Frank Walker found 493 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 5: the editor of the Canon two one two, which is 494 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,879 Speaker 5: a news aggregator site. Really, I think it as being 495 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 5: the Catholic, the traditionalist Catholic, the conservative Catholic answer to 496 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 5: the Drudge Report. Absolutely essential viewing. I go there civil 497 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 5: time a day just to see what's going on in 498 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 5: Catholic circles. When I was telling people that Frank was 499 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 5: coming on the show today, people they were joking with me, 500 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 5: My God, on the day of Pope France is brunal. 501 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 5: A guy is going to be able to be reverent 502 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 5: and respect Well, I said, we can do reverence, we 503 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 5: can do respectful, we can do mourning. This is the 504 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 5: war room. Do you want to say that there? Okay? 505 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 5: So ran holding on to holding on to those thoughts. 506 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 5: What was the view today of the dead heretical antipope 507 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 5: in the Walker household? 508 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 15: Well, uh, you know, I don't think that you could 509 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 15: ever say it was Reverend. It's not really Reverend. I've 510 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 15: heard those complaints this week too, and you know, I 511 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,240 Speaker 15: just don't think it's good to have too much respect 512 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,760 Speaker 15: for things that are contemptible. And you know, Pope Francis 513 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 15: UH is not a Catholic, and I find it and 514 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 15: I don't think I'm alone in this. I find it 515 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 15: a little upsetting that to the things that he has 516 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,959 Speaker 15: done to the church, and so I think it would 517 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 15: be misleading to have reverence at a time when it's 518 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 15: not really appropriate. 519 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 11: I don't want to be missleeping. I try to tell 520 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 11: the truth. 521 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 15: So that's how I feel about this funeral. I'm seeing 522 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 15: him go into the beautiful church Saint Mary Major that 523 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 15: he went to all the time, and I wish that 524 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 15: he wasn't going to be put in there, because. 525 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 5: Though he was. 526 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 15: You know, he went to Mary all the time. He 527 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,320 Speaker 15: went to that church all the time, and he you know, 528 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 15: appeared reverent, Uh and maybe he was prayerful with Mary. 529 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 15: Mary would have expected him to be a faithful follower 530 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,320 Speaker 15: of Christ and a good leader of the church. And 531 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 15: when I see that tomb in that place with all 532 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 15: those holy things. I you know, it's just it's disturbing. 533 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 5: Rank Nobody sees contemporary Catholic news breaking in real time 534 00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,919 Speaker 5: and follows it as closely as you do. You see 535 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,840 Speaker 5: Italy all the headlines and then you curate them and 536 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,800 Speaker 5: you give it a little bit of analysis as you 537 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 5: put them up there on your site. Can to want 538 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 5: to tell me something, how do you think the formal 539 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 5: Catholic press has conducted itself during the last twelve years 540 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 5: of the Francis inverted commerce, papacy inverted commerce. Do you 541 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 5: can compare that, if you will, to the mainstream media's 542 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 5: coverage of Francis Because my take on this is actually, 543 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 5: and I'm never a person normally that will say much 544 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 5: positive about the mainstream media, but it tends to be 545 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,359 Speaker 5: that their analysis of what's going on Rome is more reliable. 546 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 5: But anything with the word Catholic in it is going 547 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,320 Speaker 5: to deliberately try to mislead you. Now you're the expert 548 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 5: on this, what do you think, Well. 549 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 15: I see what you mean about the mainline press, and 550 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 15: we try to get it's the secular press involved if 551 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 15: it has something that's related. The Catholic press is just really, 552 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 15: really hard to get a straight fact out of right. 553 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 11: This week they've been I think, just terrible. 554 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,919 Speaker 15: And I'm glad that there's some place for the people 555 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 15: to go there where they can get the distilled news. 556 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 15: You have to distill a lot more. It was all gushing. 557 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 15: I mean, it was stories about how you know Francis 558 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 15: like one of the probability Colonel Zupe said, We're be 559 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 15: on fire with the love of the Francis. You know, 560 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 15: they have always had this element of worship because the 561 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 15: people of worshiping Francis, of Francis being sort of like 562 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 15: a demigod because in so many ways he's replacing the Church, 563 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 15: and to replace the church, he needs to elevate himself 564 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 15: to a high level. Oh when I hugged the Francis 565 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,839 Speaker 15: and I was a cripple, I quivered and I felt 566 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 15: a great warmth. That's the kind of thing that you 567 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 15: get out of the Catholic press. Now you can't get 568 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 15: any facts. 569 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 5: You know that there is a wide no for sure. 570 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 5: It is just sort of unrestrained sentimentality. Right now, it's 571 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,759 Speaker 5: mostly unreadable. There is Look, we've got to admitute to 572 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 5: the break and then if you wouldn't mind staying on 573 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 5: into the second hour. There is a wider point when 574 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 5: you mentioned this about the role of the pope in 575 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 5: popular Catholic imagination, especially in the modern era, especially in 576 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 5: the era of modern communications things, you know, and it 577 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 5: hasn't started with advancing arguably dealt with JP two. 578 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:36,800 Speaker 3: You know. 579 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 5: These are just exacerbations, aren't along the road? You could 580 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 5: arguably say for the start that under Hias the twelfth. 581 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 5: But this massive concentration towards the role of the pope 582 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 5: in contemporary Catholic pair lives and imaginations that wasn't there 583 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 5: for the previous one nine hundred years, because there's no 584 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 5: means for it to be there. Well, give me you 585 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 5: thirty seconds and then we'll carry on off to the plate. 586 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 15: Well they yeah, yeah, it must have been a lot 587 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 15: easier back when he was just there as standing for 588 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 15: the faith instead of having to be some sort of 589 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 15: a performer all the time. And I think they picked 590 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 15: Francis because he liked to be a performer. I don't 591 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 15: know what kind of a performer Cardinal Perilin is. And 592 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 15: with all the meati behind Francis, that's what they. 593 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:22,520 Speaker 11: Used him as. 594 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,360 Speaker 15: He was their machine. And yeah, I think it diminishes 595 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 15: the role because just every single word out of Francis's mouth, 596 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 15: you know, people are listening to the things that he 597 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 15: did that were bad. Every word in the press was bad. 598 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 11: Every day. 599 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 5: Done by. We'll be back with Frank Walker from Karen 600 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 5: Too on Too Distant two minutes time.