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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Umatilla High School student Melissa

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Speaker 1: Fourteen year old boy allegedly shot five family members, including

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Speaker 1: John Sisk, stepmother Mary Sisk, and three children. When county

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Speaker 1: police are investigating at this hour after two siblings allegedly

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Speaker 1: tried to kill their parents. The Monmouth County prosecutor says

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Speaker 1: year old Linda Koloji, his father, forty four year old

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Speaker 1: We will be charging this individual with four counts of murder.

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Speaker 1: Dawn and Antonio were shot in the head while they slept.

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Speaker 1: Their son aj charged with their murders. It's not even

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Speaker 1: the fact of just dealing with not having my parents anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's the fact that I'm being accused of something of

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Speaker 1: of murdering his parents. What is it with youth children,

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Speaker 1: teens murdering their parents is all crashed back into the

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Speaker 1: a straight a student, eighteen girl, Alyssa Hatcher accused of

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Speaker 1: hiring not one, but two sets of hitmen to murder

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Speaker 1: her mother and her stepfather, who, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: taking it in everybody. I mean, see Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, with me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to break it down and put

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Speaker 1: it back together again. Famous trial lawyer Brad Micklin joining me.

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Speaker 1: I'm the Michelin Law Group based in New Jersey. Now

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Speaker 1: im clinical forensics psychologist, doctor Jolie Silva, Professor of Forensics

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Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet

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Speaker 1: on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, Detective Stephen Lampley, and right

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Speaker 1: now to Levi Page, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: Levi Page. You know I prosecuted and have covered many many,

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Speaker 1: let me just say, hundreds of cases of juvenile killers

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Speaker 1: and would be killers. But this one really takes the

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Speaker 1: cake because this girl seemingly is all scrubbed in sunshine.

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Speaker 1: That's not real. Let's just start at the beginning. Who

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Speaker 1: is Alyssa Hatcher, a teen girl out of near O'calla, Florida.

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Speaker 1: This is in central Florida then, so you're correct and

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Speaker 1: Elyssa is seventeen years old. But what what what you know?

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Speaker 1: I hate to pick a fight with you this early on,

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Speaker 1: but this isn't really fight. This is a clarification to

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. You travel that area extensively in your work.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, when we say central Florida, I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: not talking about Daytona Beach. I'm not talking about Disney

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Speaker 1: where they're in Orlando. We hear about all sorts of crimes.

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Speaker 1: This is out in a rural area. And what's significant

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Speaker 1: about that, Joe Scott Morgan, is that that should be

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Speaker 1: a very low crime rate with very low bad influences

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Speaker 1: But this is out in the heartland of Florida, Central Florida.

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Speaker 1: Just hear leave my page say that, Yeah I did.

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Speaker 1: And you know this evolks. Images of orange groves, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, Brad Micklin, you're a veteran trial lawyer with

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Speaker 1: the Micklin Law Group in New Jersey. You know, people

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Speaker 1: have the wrong idea about New Jersey. It's the garden

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Speaker 1: we're always so shocked when crimes occurring rural areas. What

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Speaker 1: about you, Brad Micklin, do most of your cases, your

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Speaker 1: usually four causes to a heinous crime, like disc especially

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Speaker 1: seventeen year old Alissa Hatcher. She withdrew money from her

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Speaker 1: eighteen or twenty one, usually twenty one. Then they go

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Speaker 1: into an adult jail if there's still time left on

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Speaker 1: their sentence. Do you think Alissa Hatcher is going to

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Speaker 1: be treated as a GEEV or as an adult. The

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Speaker 1: fact that she's taken to gevjail means nothing. She's going

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Speaker 1: to stay in GeV jail no matter what until she

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Speaker 1: reaches majority, so treated as an adult or treated as

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Speaker 1: a GV. I thought she was going to be treated

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Speaker 1: as an adult based on her age, how close she

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Speaker 1: is to being a legal adult in the nature of

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Speaker 1: the offense. But I think one of the reports you

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Speaker 1: played a moment ago said that she's being tried as

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Speaker 1: a juvenile, even though nothing I've seen in the media

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Speaker 1: suggested either way. Yeah, I think it was saying that

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Speaker 1: she's taken to juvenile custody. I heard the very same

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Speaker 1: thing and my ears pricked up, thinking, oh was it

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00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: has not been decided yet to my understanding, is she

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Speaker 1: going to be treated as an adult or a juvenile?

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00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: You know, very very curious the way this whole thing

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Speaker 1: is playing out. Take a listen to our friends at

443
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Speaker 1: WKMG This is News six reporter Ginger Gadson. A team

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00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: accused of stealing her parents money to hire someone to

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Speaker 1: kill them, makes her first appearance in front of a judge.

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00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: Alissa Hatcher appeared in a Lake County courtroom today. According

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Speaker 1: to a police affidavit, the seventeen year old stole thirteen

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars from her parents' bank account. The affidavit says

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00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: the team paid four hundred dollars to a friend to

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Speaker 1: kill her parents. When it didn't happen, Hatcher reportedly paid

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Speaker 1: someone else nine hundred dollars to do the job. The

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Speaker 1: documents estate she also used the money to buy cocaine.

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Speaker 1: Hatcher has been charged as a juvenile with two counts

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Speaker 1: of criminal solicitation for murder crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: She's sitting in juvenile jail facing felony charges, and deputy

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Speaker 1: say her friends told a school resource deputy. That deputy

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Speaker 1: told investigators here in Lake County, and right now we're

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Speaker 1: asking Lake County Sheriff's deputies to release more. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: that your parents can do till you bid. You're grounded,

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Speaker 1: a car's taken away, you can't go to the problem

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Speaker 1: whatever for you to get to this point right now,

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Speaker 1: as Lake County investigators are piecing together why they say

463
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old A. Lissa Hatcher stole her parents, deputy card,

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Speaker 1: and pay two guys to try and kill them, they

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Speaker 1: want to remind other kids there's help out there. That's

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Speaker 1: why they have the counselor set up in school for

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Speaker 1: things like this. But you know as far as juvenile's

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Speaker 1: teenagers never let it get to this point. One of

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Speaker 1: her friends at Severi's High told her school resource deputy

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Speaker 1: about one guy Hatcher, and that's when the investigation got going.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at WKMG. That was New six

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Speaker 1: reporter Jerry Askins. We're talking about help. She tried to

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Speaker 1: have her both her parents murdered, and we're talking about

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Speaker 1: helping her. I wanted to get all the help she

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Speaker 1: can behind bars. And interesting this girl's parents, Elissa Hatcher's parents,

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Speaker 1: they are the ones asking for charges to be pressed

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Speaker 1: against their daughter. According to court documents, the victims, the

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Speaker 1: parents of Elissa Hatcher advised of their intent to prosecute

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Speaker 1: for solicitation of murder and just so you know, solicitation

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Speaker 1: of murder carries thirty to life in that jurisdiction. The mother,

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Speaker 1: Tammy Hatcher Sheller, is a nurse and a senior records

482
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Speaker 1: clerk for the Florida Department of Help. The stepfather, Michael Scheller,

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Speaker 1: is a lieutenant with a Clearmont Police department that's about

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Speaker 1: an hour away from their home in Umatilla, Florida. The

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Speaker 1: two have been married since two fourteen. He has been

486
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Speaker 1: a cop since nineteen eighty eight, so relatively was it

487
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Speaker 1: a relatively new relationship. We're getting that twenty fourteen wedding

488
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Speaker 1: day according to the husband, the stepfather, Mike Scheller's Facebook,

489
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Speaker 1: we understand that there had never been any problems reported

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Speaker 1: within the home. We also know that this teenager, Elissa Hatcher,

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Speaker 1: was born in North Carolina. They moved to Florida, where

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Speaker 1: she was a senior at Umatilla High School, and a

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Speaker 1: classmate describes her as being sweet, caring, always willing to

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Speaker 1: help someone else. So what went wrong at this point? Though?

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Speaker 1: To Brad Micklin, a trial lawyer with the Micklin Law

496
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Speaker 1: Group in New Jersey, it's no longer the parents prosecuting.

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Speaker 1: It is now the state. If the parents wanted to

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Speaker 1: drop charges, it would still be up to the prosecutor

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Speaker 1: to that decision. Absolutely. Oftentimes, victims of many different crimes,

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Speaker 1: for many reasons, don't want the offender to be tried,

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Speaker 1: and this would be one of those circumstances. But on

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Speaker 1: the flip side, you want to be protected and the

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Speaker 1: only way to do that is that a criminal prosecution

504
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: against it. Now. I've been looking at her Instagram profile

505
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Speaker 1: shows her on the cheer of squad at Humatilla High,

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Speaker 1: she played junior varsity soccer. She has conflicting captions. On

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Speaker 1: one under her picture it says ruthless and another she writes,

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Speaker 1: no beauty shines brighter than a good heart. In another,

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Speaker 1: she writes, rock bottom became the solid foundation on which

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Speaker 1: I rebuilt my life. Why are you rebuilding your life

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Speaker 1: at age seventeen? I don't know, Maybe that's just the

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Speaker 1: teen drama coming out, but her social media does tell

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Speaker 1: me a whole lot more. I see pictures of her

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Speaker 1: in her prime outfit. Right now, she's charged with two

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Speaker 1: counts of criminal solicitation of murder and also facing theft charges.

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Speaker 1: You know what another thing is jumping out at me

517
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Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author,

518
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Speaker 1: is that apparently she used a hundred bucks of that

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Speaker 1: to buy cocaine. What effect would that have on her

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00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: decision making process? A tremendous effect, and the fact that

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Speaker 1: she had an awareness of it at seventeen she went

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Speaker 1: out and bought or allegedly attempted to buy a hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars worth of coke, that would give us an indication

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Speaker 1: that she probably bought what's referred to on the street

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Speaker 1: as an eight ball of cocaine, which is about three grams.

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Speaker 1: And if the folks at home want to know what

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Speaker 1: that's like, just take some cornstarch or some baby powder,

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Speaker 1: cup your hand and pour it into the center and

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Speaker 1: kind of level it off. That's about three grams of

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Speaker 1: cocaine and that would be enough to you to certainly

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Speaker 1: stimulate her to a great degree. Maybe she's thrown into

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Speaker 1: you know, depression. She has to have this in order

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Speaker 1: to or agitate her, or it could agitate her. Yeah,

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00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: and it it can send the user into like a

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Speaker 1: state of euphoria. It also desensitizes people so that they

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Speaker 1: don't have an awareness of when they're impacting other people's lives.

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Speaker 1: And plus, not to mention, it's very lethal. You know,

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Speaker 1: somebody using cocaine over a protracted period of time, they

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Speaker 1: can die of heart disease. Are certainly hypertensive related diseases.

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Speaker 1: She's seventeen. I don't think she's going to have a

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Speaker 1: heart attack. But I want to follow up on something

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00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: you said. Yes, she may have been angry at her

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Speaker 1: mom or dad. Maybe she didn't want to move. Although

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Speaker 1: she seems to have, you know, adjusted really well in Imatilla.

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Speaker 1: Maybe she hates a step dad. I don't know, but yes,

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Speaker 1: you can be agitated once. But Brad Micklin, you're the

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Speaker 1: trial lawyer with the Micklin Law Group. Was she still

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Speaker 1: agitated when she tried to get a second hit? Man?

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00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean? And also even if she was agitated using cocaine,

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Speaker 1: the voluntary consumption of drugs or alcohol is almost never

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Speaker 1: a defense in criminal law. Or everybody over in the

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00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: jail right now, we'll go, oh, yeah, I was a

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00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: drunk when ohen I did that, So I'm walking out

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00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: of here. That's not gonna happen. Brad. I agree. When

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Speaker 1: I was listening to Joseph Scott, the thing and I

556
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: kept saying to myself, as much as I like to

557
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: defend people, is you know she bought the drugs one time,

558
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: but she paid two different people in two different times

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Speaker 1: to commit the murder, So I'm not sure how much

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Speaker 1: drugs really played a part here. And guys, yes, Brad

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Speaker 1: Micklin is a defense lawyer. He's a trial lawyer and

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Speaker 1: with the Micklin Law Group. But if you want to

563
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: win a case, if you believe in your case. You

564
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: don't just prepare your case. You anticipate what the other

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00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: side is going to do. Slight Reagan's old Star Wars program.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna shoot down what the Russians shoot at us

567
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: first before it gets here. That's what you do. You

568
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: figure out what's the other side going to say, and

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00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: then you get ready to shoot it down before it

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00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: even happens. That's what he's talking about. Brad. Bottom line

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00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm interpreting what you're saying is yeah, the jury might

572
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: be able to explain it away one time, but she

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00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: wasn't still in the same cocaine high. Was she tried

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Speaker 1: to hire the next hip marry. I think if she's

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Speaker 1: tried as an adult and gets a jury, I think

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00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: she's just going to go for sympathy, which is the

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Speaker 1: only reason, the only benefit you get from being tried

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00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: as an adult. She's going to go young, confused, drug problem.

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Speaker 1: Sympathetic decisions only gets her out of this. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: if you are defending this case, Brad Micklin, and you've

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Speaker 1: got to go in front of an adult jury, what's

582
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Speaker 1: your defense. I mean, she confessed, You've got the boyfriend

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Speaker 1: who by the way, I'm going to circle back to

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Speaker 1: doctor Jolie Silva on this, a clinical forensic psychologist. So

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00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: often we see women let around by the nose by

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Speaker 1: a bad guy. They fall in with them, they seem

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Speaker 1: like they're under a trance. They'll do whatever he wants

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Speaker 1: them to do. Because here we see allegedly a boyfriend,

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00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: a BF says he saw her at a drug location. Well,

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00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: what's he doing there? All right? So it's hard for

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Speaker 1: me to believe he didn't have some influence over her.

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00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: Now that's a very good point. I didn't, you know,

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Speaker 1: I know that the boyfriend pretty readily told told police

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Speaker 1: what was going on if he was at the drug

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Speaker 1: house too. I mean, she's familiar with a drug house.

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00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: She's going to a drug house. Clearly there's some kind

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Speaker 1: of substance of use issue going on. Whether or not

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Speaker 1: he was influencing her, it's it's very very possible. Whether

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Speaker 1: or not he was influencing her to kill her parents

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00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: is another story. But you know, back to back to

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Speaker 1: what everyone else was saying just about the substance use.

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00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: I agree with everybody else who was saying that because

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00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: it was premeditated, it happened multiple times, and there was

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Speaker 1: let me get on PayPal and do this. It just

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00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: doesn't It just doesn't really add up that that cocaine

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00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: was the influencer here. So maybe the boyfriend has something

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00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: to do with it. Maybe the boyfriend hated the stepfather.

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00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: Who knows. It could be a factor in it. In

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00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: the big picture, it could be one factor, you know.

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Speaker 1: Levipage Crime online dot Com investigative reporter this idea that

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Speaker 1: somehow the boyfriend played a role in this. None of

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Speaker 1: that that has not come up at all in the facts.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the boyfriend blab to the cops that he

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Speaker 1: saw her there and that she wanted to kill her parents,

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Speaker 1: So I don't believe he is entangled in this in

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Speaker 1: any way. And also that theory that the boyfriend made

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Speaker 1: her do it or encourage her to do it. Coercion

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00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: under the law means you basically have to have a

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Speaker 1: gun at your head, locked and loaded before coercion will

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Speaker 1: work in front of a jury. Mind control is not

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Speaker 1: going to do it, So Levi Page, there's been no

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Speaker 1: suggestion anyone else is involved other than the teen cheerleaders

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Speaker 1: soccer players. Straight age student Melissa has her correct Nancy.

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00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: Her boyfriend was with her at what he said was

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Speaker 1: a known drug house. So that shows you that he's

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Speaker 1: not on the up and up. Nancy, and I just

627
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: want to go back to the fact that people are

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Speaker 1: saying she's a cheerleader, straight a student. She played soccer.

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Speaker 1: But there was I read a post on Facebook by

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Speaker 1: her cheer coach who was shocked by this, and then

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00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: there were people in the comments saying, well, this is

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Speaker 1: not shocking if you knew her. So apparently she had

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Speaker 1: a bit of a reputation in this community, and that hey,

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Speaker 1: hey le Page, my dear sweet LEVI don't take too

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Speaker 1: much to heart what one varsity cheerleader says about another one. Okay,

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Speaker 1: just know that going forward, well it also goes ahead.

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Speaker 1: Hit me back that up. Her parents automatically assumed that

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Speaker 1: she was the one that stole the debit card, and

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Speaker 1: they're the ones that are pushing for charges to be filed.

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Speaker 1: And as Jackie had mentioned, the debit card was in

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Speaker 1: a locked area with the mother. Did she has she

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Speaker 1: stolen from them before? That's going to be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see because she didn't have a job that we know of,

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Speaker 1: she was using drugs, did she still repeatedly to buy drugs?

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime stories. Signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,