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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number one

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Speaker 1: Tay in the show, Dan and I are celebrating the

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Speaker 1: white tail rut by examining and discussing exactly how we

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Speaker 1: hope and plan to kill a running buck here in

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Speaker 1: the coming days. Hey guys, quick update before we get

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Speaker 1: things kicked off today. In addition to our main conversation

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Speaker 1: that Dan and I are going to have about the

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Speaker 1: rut today, we're also going to have a special bonus

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Speaker 1: at the end of this episod related to a gear

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Speaker 1: question that we get frequently, and that's about using ozone

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Speaker 1: to reduce scent. And we've gotten so many questions about

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Speaker 1: this technology and we want to cover in a way

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Speaker 1: that's a little more comprehensive than just me and Dan

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Speaker 1: sharing our own experiences. So if you're one of those

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Speaker 1: people interested in ozone or ozonics, stick around after the

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Speaker 1: normal interview for a bonus discussion with Buddy Pyland. That said,

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Speaker 1: onto the show, all right, Welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt Podcast. Brought to you by Sick Gear, And today,

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Speaker 1: with the White Tail Rut kicking off all across the country,

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Speaker 1: Dan and I are going to make some predictions, or

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Speaker 1: at least we're gonna try to make some predictions, I guess,

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Speaker 1: by way of explaining our plans and strategies and hopes

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Speaker 1: and dreams for the two thousand sixteen rut, and hopefully

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Speaker 1: that will be a prediction, a true prediction when it's

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Speaker 1: all said and done. So today we're diving into how

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Speaker 1: we're planning on killing a buck during this year's run.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into that, Dan, in one word,

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Speaker 1: how would you describe your feelings about the White Tail Rut? Chaos? Man? Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: in one word, right, Oh, I like it chaos. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty chaos. Chaos, But in a way it's it's not

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Speaker 1: as chaotic as I think we think it is. Right,

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? I mean, so when

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Speaker 1: we think the rut, we think of deer chase and

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Speaker 1: deer all over the place. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: it's not like these does are leading these bucks miles

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Speaker 1: and miles and miles. I mean, and maybe in some states,

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Speaker 1: in some cases, let's say like Kansas, right, where the

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Speaker 1: deer travel is high. But I'm talking about where me

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Speaker 1: and you hunt in Ohio, Michigan, Iowa. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: hunting timber and egg right in a mixture of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: So it's chaotic, meaning that a buck could push a

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Speaker 1: dough into a different location and you may not see them.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, these dough groups that are

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Speaker 1: coming in and out, you know they're they're traveling to

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Speaker 1: the best food store source. It's chaotic because anything can

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Speaker 1: really happen. But at the same time, there's there's there's

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Speaker 1: some way to still maybe potentially pattern a big buck

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense, right, You can you can try

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Speaker 1: to put some order to the chaos, right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. It's like, yeah, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: think of the right word for this. It's um, not staccato,

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Speaker 1: rut is this periodic bursts of chaos into or it's

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Speaker 1: long stretches of what I would refer if I had

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Speaker 1: to choose one word for the rut, I would call

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Speaker 1: it a grind. So I'd say long stretches of a grind,

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Speaker 1: long lump period of time, inner bursts, with these bursts

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Speaker 1: order to with some type of strategy or plan. But man,

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Speaker 1: I that the grind is how I think about the

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Speaker 1: that just simply can require you to gut it out,

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Speaker 1: to grind it out. And it's my favorite time of

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Speaker 1: year and my least favorite time of year in some ways.

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Speaker 1: think about the RUT, I had this like slight sense

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Speaker 1: of for voting right now because I can see it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's when this podcast goes, you know,

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Speaker 1: when people are actually listening to this podcast. We're recording

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Speaker 1: this in late October, so pre RUT recording this, but

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Speaker 1: when this is actually being listened to you guys, right now,

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Speaker 1: we're in the midst of it. And during that time period,

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Speaker 1: you know, those are the longest days of the year

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Speaker 1: Daniel waking up like three am in the morning, either

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Speaker 1: to right right. I don't know, do you ever lose

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Speaker 1: I'm I usually get in pretty good shape in the

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Speaker 1: especially with my travel, when I'm staying you know, in

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Speaker 1: So I probably add a couple of pounds, not a lot,

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Speaker 1: So I really try to eat like carrots and apples,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm maybe tired at times, but when the

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Speaker 1: focus is on point. Because of my diet. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And I actually gotta tell you, I have finally begun

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Speaker 1: to feel my age, Dan, I've got a big change happening.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, I I'm starting to feel crappy after

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Speaker 1: more recently this past year, I feel like when I

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Speaker 1: this year, because I just don't want to feel cruddy

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Speaker 1: and each you can't afford to, really and you don't

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I remember that, Like, oh, are you

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Speaker 1: really going to eat that. You know how bad that

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Speaker 1: is for you? Yank yank, Like, okay, mom, they're like

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Speaker 1: people just ragging on me because I posted a picture

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Speaker 1: of the junk food I was packing for the rut trip.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, it was brutal, it was really you know however,

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Speaker 1: for you know this for like my Ohio trip. Um

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Speaker 1: that's the game plan for food. What's your what's your schedule? Like,

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Speaker 1: there's not a ton of you know, there's not a

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Speaker 1: whole lot to it, um, but it's just positioned well

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Speaker 1: with the warm weather. Because last year when I was

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Speaker 1: in Iowa, I got really down on myself because there

429
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Speaker 1: was like a four day stretch that was gonna be

430
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Speaker 1: in like the high seventies or something like that. It

431
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Speaker 1: was like super hot from November. I can't remember what

432
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Speaker 1: the dates, or the third through the sixth or something

433
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Speaker 1: like that. Um, so I kind of got down on myself.

434
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Speaker 1: I didn't hunt a couple of mornings because I was

435
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Speaker 1: I was dealing with some other stuff. I went home

436
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Speaker 1: for like half a day. I went home for a

437
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Speaker 1: day and then came back and just was like, and

438
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Speaker 1: nothing's gonna happen these couple of days, so I just

439
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: didn't do some of the things I guess I should have.

440
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Speaker 1: But while I was dicking around, not hunting the rut

441
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Speaker 1: quite like I should have. During those three days, three

442
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: days in a row, each of those days was super hot.

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Speaker 1: Three of my friends killed really great bucks in the morning,

444
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Speaker 1: So it was like Monday morning, Tuesday morning, Wednesday morning,

445
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Speaker 1: each day was a hot day. But they still killed

446
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Speaker 1: those bucks cruising in the morning, And it was like, Man,

447
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Speaker 1: why was I so down? You can still kill these

448
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Speaker 1: bucks during this time period. Um, you just gotta be

449
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Speaker 1: in a tree. Now. Yes, you're probably not gonna see

450
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Speaker 1: the midday activity like you would. Um, you're probably not

451
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Speaker 1: gonna see as much d it eas you would, but

452
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Speaker 1: it's certainly still possible. So just be in a tree.

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Speaker 1: Whatever time frame you have, stick it out in the

454
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Speaker 1: tree as much as you possibly can. Don't get too

455
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Speaker 1: concerned with all the You know, we talked so much

456
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Speaker 1: about the moon and rising pressure and cold fronts and

457
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: wind speed and moon phase and blah blah blah, all

458
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Speaker 1: these different things that can lead to a better or

459
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: worse hunt. Those things matter, But at this time, you know,

460
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Speaker 1: you don't need to throw it out the window. But

461
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Speaker 1: do not let that stuff keep you from hunting during

462
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Speaker 1: the right right. I agree. I think that that's where

463
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Speaker 1: people start to get over this whole you know, barometric pressure,

464
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Speaker 1: we're we're overthinking it. If our equation doesn't need to

465
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Speaker 1: have a certain variable in it, two, let us go

466
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Speaker 1: out and hunt. We don't need to We don't need

467
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Speaker 1: to take that variable into consideration. Example, like what you

468
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Speaker 1: just said, pressure, moon phase, temperature. If it's the rut,

469
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Speaker 1: you get out in your best stands and you hunt. Yeah, yeah,

470
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: that stuff is much more applicable. And like the early

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Speaker 1: season or is it going through October, or when you

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Speaker 1: get to the late season and you're just hoping to

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Speaker 1: find that one day that Mr Big is gonna step

474
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Speaker 1: out during daylight. I think that's when that stuff really matters.

475
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Speaker 1: But when it comes to the rut, it's just be there.

476
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Speaker 1: So But but all that said, I guess what are

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Speaker 1: year five days? What would you take off if you

478
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Speaker 1: could just choose five? I guess I think I've told us.

479
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I'm in the same boat. I'm lucky.

480
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get some more days to play with. But

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Speaker 1: for sure, the seventh through the eleventh. That's those are

482
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Speaker 1: the days where historically I've had great encounters anywhere from

483
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Speaker 1: the five to the you know, I've had great encounters.

484
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Speaker 1: Maybe actually my very best day of hunting ever I

485
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: can remember this was November eleven one year and I

486
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: saw four mature bucks and I'm talking all four year

487
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: olds all you know. They were all four or one

488
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: was a three year old and three or four year

489
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: old all chasing one dough And that was an awesome day. Um.

490
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Speaker 1: So yeah, the seventh through the eleventh for sure this year.

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Speaker 1: If I only had five to work with, what if

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Speaker 1: you had just picked one day, one single day, it's

493
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Speaker 1: your favorite day of the run. Well maybe not from

494
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Speaker 1: a hunting standpoint, but my birthday is November five, so

495
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: I love to get out in my on my birthday. Um,

496
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of symbol, you know, symbolic for me. That's

497
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: the that's the day I shot Shipwreck and never killed him. Um,

498
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: that's the day that I had one one year, two

499
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, I think it was I had an encounter

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Speaker 1: with a bucket called Megatron, a giant eight pointer on

501
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: my birthday. He just stood at sixty yards just a

502
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: little too close. Um, but I think thing that a

503
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: lot of people overlook, and I think even us talking

504
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: about it, is the tail end of the rut after

505
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Speaker 1: after that peak breeding of the fourteen, fifteenth and sixteenth.

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Speaker 1: Let's say I had a day on November one year

507
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Speaker 1: where I was sitting in the tree stand and a

508
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: really one of those crisp, cold mornings, and it's where

509
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Speaker 1: I shot. I rattled in a buck, a four year

510
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: old uh probably one seventy, shot him, hit him, didn't

511
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: didn't kill him. And then I saw two other mature

512
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Speaker 1: bucks that morning cruising for dose. So the rut wasn't

513
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: over yet, but you know, maybe all the doughs were bred,

514
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: but the scent was still in the air and the

515
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: bucks were cruising. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. There's

516
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people that attest to that, especially the biggest,

517
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: oldest bucks tend to keep on being getting at it

518
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: that and part of November. I know Don Higgins is

519
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Speaker 1: a guy that has has praised that time of year

520
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Speaker 1: consistent le And just like you, I've had some really

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Speaker 1: good days in that time period. Two. Um, I think

522
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Speaker 1: November too. I saw I rattled and Jobreaker a few

523
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: years ago on that night. So here's a question for

524
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Speaker 1: you before we move on. Let's say you had let's

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Speaker 1: say you had two weeks and you didn't have to

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Speaker 1: take those two weeks off or even five days, and statistically,

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Speaker 1: let's say there's a lot of deer movement on. You know,

528
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Speaker 1: we're using peak breeding as fourteen, fifteen, and sixteenth. Let's

529
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Speaker 1: say the ninth, the tenth, and the eleventh, which is

530
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Speaker 1: a Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. You go back to work on

531
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Speaker 1: the top breeding days and then come back and hunt

532
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: and maybe uh and then that that's your five days.

533
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: So you get you get some weekends to play with,

534
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: but you're out of the tree during that lockdown period.

535
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Speaker 1: Do you think that would be smart? Ever? So it's

536
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: an interest inesting idea and it makes sense. But here's

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Speaker 1: one thing that I think about the rut. And I

538
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: don't know this is like totally I don't know hypothesis here,

539
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: but I feel like with the rut you've got, you're

540
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: gonna have days where it's dead and your days where

541
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: it's hot, even in the best times of year, even

542
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Speaker 1: even if you've got a you know, a great slew

543
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Speaker 1: of days in the seventh to the twelfth or whatever

544
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: it is, you know there's going to be some days

545
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: where it's on. There's gonna be some days where it's off.

546
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Speaker 1: Wherever it is that you're hunting, it's like, you know,

547
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: it's at least for me, I've never hunted the rut

548
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: where it's like just constant rutting action every day for

549
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: five days in a row or something like that. You know,

550
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: there's always like that day or maybe those two days

551
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: where it's really on, and then you've had these other

552
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: couple of days where it's like. Man. So my only

553
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: fear with hunting a couple of days and then taking

554
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: a few days off, then hunting a couple of days

555
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: is that you could hit the wrong days. There is

556
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: a certain level of safety in hunting a set of

557
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: consecutive days during the rut. I feel I'm pretty darn

558
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: confident if I hunt five straight days during the rut,

559
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: at least one, maybe two of those days will be

560
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: a good day. I can almost guarantee it, like, if

561
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: I hunt those five days, I'm gonna have some kind

562
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: of good activity. But if I were to pick two

563
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: days or three days and then have a break and

564
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: then pick another two or something like that, you get

565
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: to this point where there's there's a chance you could

566
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: pick the wrong two days and then you know, then

567
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: you're not hunting when those couple of good days might

568
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: have been, and then you're in the next cud you miss.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. That's if it was me and

570
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: you had the opportunity to do straight days, I think

571
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: I think I'd almost rather hunt straight through, even if

572
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: that meant I was hunting during the hypothetical lockdown, just

573
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: because just because of that reason, I guess, I don't know,

574
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm crazy, What do you think? I don't know,

575
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: I just it was kind of a random question that

576
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: I just asked myself just now while we were while

577
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Speaker 1: we were chit chatting about I don't know what I do.

578
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: I think I'm I'd be in agreeance with you where

579
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, and and plus the more time you can

580
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: focus on an area, you can see the movement, you

581
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: can make your UH decision, because there's only so much

582
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: a trail camera can tell you. If you're running trail cameras,

583
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, being in the stand and observing an area

584
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: is we'll give you more information and you'll be able

585
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: to see the sign if there is any popping up,

586
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: You'll be able to see the scrapes, you'll be able

587
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: to see the dear movement, which a trail camera isn't

588
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: going to show all of that, right right, in person

589
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: observation is so important, right, all right, Well, real quick here,

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Speaker 1: So with that said, back to the show. All right,

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Speaker 1: tell me this, what is your layout, your hypothetical game plan,

611
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: what is your rut hunt strategy and like calendar of

612
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: strategy going to look like? Walk me through what you

613
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: think you're gonna be doing here. Well, depending on when

614
00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: this actually launches, I will have already had my trail cameras,

615
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: Like right now, I have my trail cameras in certain

616
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: places where I think the does are going to start

617
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: running through, but not necessarily in where the major all

618
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: the major pinch points are or the um where the

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00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: scrapes you're gonna pop up quite yet, because it's right

620
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: about this time every year where certain scrapes show up

621
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: on my farm. I want to have trail cameras over that.

622
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: And this weekend when I go hunt, well this weekend,

623
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Speaker 1: it's like I said, or like Mark said, we're recording

624
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: this earlier, so I'm setting up for the rot previous

625
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: to that. So when you're listening to this, I will

626
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Speaker 1: have all my trail cameras over travel corridors, finch crossings,

627
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: and pinch points, right, so I'm going to be able

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Speaker 1: in my the way I look at it is I'm

629
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Speaker 1: going to be covering a lot of deer movement through

630
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: those through those trail cameras. Now, I'm going to do

631
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: what a lot of guys do, I think, and that's

632
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: going to my historically good spots first, and then I'm

633
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: going to check my trail cameras on and off throughout

634
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: those those days, and then I will see if there,

635
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: you know, a last night, I had a buck, a

636
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: big buck in this area. I'm going in tonight and

637
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: I'll check those trail cameras on a regular basis throughout

638
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: that that period, and that will allow me to, you know,

639
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: start to in a way pattern where a lot of

640
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: this movement is. And it may not even be a

641
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: big buck, but if you see a dough come through

642
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: and in the next fifteen minutes you see three four

643
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: smaller bucks, you might want to get into that area

644
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: because there's a chance that that dough that came in

645
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: front of those bucks is hot or is about ready

646
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: to breed or coming into and coming into estrus so

647
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: I'll probably hunt my good stands first and then have

648
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: my backup running gun sets to where I'm starting to

649
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: see a majority of the movement based off either visual

650
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: from the stand or my trail cameras. So your trail

651
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: cameras elaborate on this a little bit for me. So

652
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: you've got them all, you're going to have them all

653
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: set up on that first day of your rut vacation

654
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: when you head in there, do you go and check

655
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: them all like in one afternoon, Like go out there

656
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: and just hit all of your camera locations to tell

657
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: you to inform you of what to do once you

658
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: start hunting, or are you not checking the muntil you

659
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: actually go out there and start hunting, well the very

660
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: first day that I So typically for me, I'm not

661
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: getting there until in the evening, right So I'm not

662
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: gonna go check all my trail cameras right before I hunt.

663
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt let the morning that then i'll hunt

664
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: the next morning. As that morning gets you know later,

665
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: I'll get down, I'll make a trail camera run, go

666
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: switch some cards out. Um, And I'm not going to

667
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: do it every day, but I will, uh, I will

668
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: check them more often you know, those first three weeks

669
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: in November than I would let's say, the last week

670
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: of October or the very last week of November, just

671
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: because you know, for me, it's sad to say, but

672
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: my season is probably very close to over once my

673
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: rut vacation is over, because then I've you know, I've

674
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: put a lot of pressure on the family. I'm not

675
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: able to get out and hunt as much late season.

676
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: So I'm going I'm going to be very aggressive with

677
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: checking my trail cameras um and for the most part,

678
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: my trail cameras are in some very easy to access

679
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: places minus one or two, and those I won't check

680
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: until I go over there or actually hunt that spot. Yeah,

681
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: tell me about your stand locations. You said that you're

682
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: going to go to. Your best rut location is probably first.

683
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: Do you have a couple that you can layout for

684
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: us in detail what your best rut sets are going

685
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: to be for this year? Right? All right? So I

686
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: have two two stand locations and one area that and

687
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: I say area because it's not one particular stand location

688
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: because I literally have to bounce back and forth in

689
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: this area quite a bit throughout the rut just to

690
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: get onto what um where these um deer a crossing

691
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: this fence at and it changes every year. Right, So

692
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: I have one is your standard halfway down a giant ridge,

693
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: and it is a cruise It is a cruising travel

694
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: corridor spot where every year I've hunted this this stand.

695
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: It's one of those where I'm not I'm not getting

696
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: a ton of late you know, like primetime four pm

697
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: type of activity, but I'm getting a lot of you know,

698
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 1: from daylight to eleven o'clock in the morning activity. And

699
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: uh it's deer coming off the food, uh bucks cruising

700
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: these ridges back and forth all night looking for doze

701
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: and uh, it's just a it's a it's your standard

702
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: south wind blows right over top of me down into

703
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: a valley below, and I just there are a lot

704
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: of deer that come through. I can see across the

705
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: valley to other ridges. That allows me to potentially rattle

706
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: or call um a buck in. So it's not only

707
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: in a good travel corridor, but it's a good observation

708
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: stand as well. If that makes sense. Mm hmm makes sense.

709
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: What's your next one? My next one is it's a

710
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: standard river bottom set. I'm set up down wind, I'm

711
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: gonna be set up down wind of a really thick,

712
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: nasty betting area that remember me talking about last year

713
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: that they logged it. Yes, they're done logging, right, so

714
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: that has sent it's grown up and I haven't actually,

715
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: I haven't been in there since uh the first week

716
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: of September when I actually got to set my tree

717
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: stand there, or last weekend in August, so I don't know.

718
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: It was thick and nasty when I went there to

719
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: set my stand. So as the green stuff starts to die,

720
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of this tall brown grass and

721
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: these it's almost like cat tails, but it's not really

722
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: cat tails. Um, it's tall, it's it's you can break

723
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: them real easy, and they love the previous years to

724
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: get in there. And now you have all these tree

725
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: tops that are down in there as well. It just

726
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: makes awesome betting. Right. So this is where that Gordon

727
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: Bombay buck is living and uh in this area somewhere,

728
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: I have trail camera pictures, no daylight pictures of them

729
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: even during the rut. So it's a great place to

730
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: start because I always see good mature bucks there. However,

731
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm not uh it it's a starting point for me.

732
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: I will sit there. It's it can be good. But

733
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: if I see a deer crossing the river, acrossing the creek,

734
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move closer to that that area based off

735
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: of this starting point, So it sounds like that's more

736
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: of a dope betting area kind of, right, Is that right?

737
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: Like you're focusing on that because there's deer better there. Yep,

738
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: it's a it's a standard dope betting area. It is.

739
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: There is three different fields that surround this dope betting

740
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: area in a creek that runs right in between it.

741
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: Have we there? Have I been with you? Shed hutting

742
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: down there? I think that day that you found Mark

743
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 1: Kenyon's side. We remember we we took that walk all

744
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: the way all the way to the back and uh

745
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: we uh we walked that and um, didn't I find

746
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: a dead Didn't I found a dead head down there? Yep?

747
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: You did, Okay, you didn't exactly in that area and

748
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: then it's flat and then it goes up into where

749
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: the it starts to get hilly and it gets into

750
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: the ridges and and all that stuff. But that over

751
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: the years has has been where I've seen the highest

752
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: number And I'm not saying in one day, but the

753
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: highest number of bucks in one rut vacation. That's where

754
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: I shot the buck that's hanging on my wall. Um,

755
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: that's where I've seen a giant. I mean, over the

756
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: years since I've hunted this this piece, that is where

757
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: a majority of the deer hang out. Last year, I

758
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: think it was different because they logged it, but this

759
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: year they did not. There hasn't been any floods, and

760
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: historically that they cruise up and down this creek bank

761
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: going from one dough betting area to the next on

762
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: the next property, and it's just a river system and

763
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: it it just it's it. It's money when the time's right.

764
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: Can I be honest with you, Yeah, I'm getting excited

765
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: just hearing talk about that. I know. It's one of

766
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: those things where you know, like you and anybody that

767
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: I've ever had come shed hunt with me on the

768
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: on these pieces, they look at it and they go,

769
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: oh my god. Have you ever walked into the very

770
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: first time I ever found out about this property, You

771
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: walk into a new place and you get this eerie

772
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: feeling that this could be one of the best hunting

773
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: spots you've ever hunted into. The spot like, oh this

774
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: is awesome. Yeah, yeah, tons of trails, like really thick,

775
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: high traveled trails. Then you have the On top of that,

776
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: you have the oh man, just there's not ever a

777
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: lot of sign there, but there's not going to be

778
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: because the bucks don't live there. They are there. There's

779
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: some scrapes along this this field edge that they travel.

780
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: But the does come in and out of this betting

781
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: depending on the wind direction, and they will just they're

782
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: just chilling there and the bucks come, they bump them

783
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: out and they go chase him. And then oh, anyway,

784
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm getting shivers. Now here's a question I have for you. Yeah,

785
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: over the years, you have typically preferred not to hunt

786
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: all day. Right, what's your thought process on that this year?

787
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: Are you gonna try it more? Or you're not quite

788
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: this is why? Right? So last year I tried it twice,

789
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: and I think I told you at one time the

790
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: guy started burning leaves, and another the other time was

791
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: a guy started chainsawing and decided, you know, I'm going

792
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: to get down and go someplace else, you know. The

793
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: the other this year, I think I'm gonna get down,

794
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: especially in that betting area that I talked to you

795
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: about just now, that is an all days set location

796
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: and even some of those ridge top stuff that I've

797
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: that I've had, but historically on on my other stands

798
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: that are staging areas or transition areas between betting and

799
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: uh food, they typically don't. I mean, my trail cameras

800
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: tell me they're not traveling that during the middle of

801
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: the day. They're out in those river bottoms. They're out

802
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: in that rit on those ridges. And then when they

803
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: intercept a dog group going from their betting area to

804
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: the food source that is like coming back. If I

805
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: can access that on a morning hunt uh or an

806
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: evening hunt coming in and out, I'm able to you know,

807
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: cut them off going one way or the other. I'm

808
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: not hunting a food food source and I'm not hunting

809
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: the betting area. So it's it's their their standard travel

810
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: corridor stands. How about you, well, how about me on

811
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: on which things like the all day said or the

812
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: stands stands? So like right now your daydream about a

813
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: couple of stands, right you know, it's every day you're

814
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: looking at a map. You you're going, man, I this,

815
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: I want to be in this stand right now? What

816
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: do those stands look like, all right, I got a

817
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: couple on the outline for you. There is one on

818
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: my main Michigan farm that is a spot I've I've

819
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: never hunted during the rut, but it's a spot I've

820
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: always wanted to hunt during the rut. So I actually

821
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: hung a stand in there like five years ago and

822
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: then just never came back to because the one downside

823
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: to the stand is that it's hard to access. Um

824
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: You've got to cross fields to get to it, and

825
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: that's obviously not a good thing to do. But this year,

826
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it during the rut. I'm going

827
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: to ride a bike in to get to it so

828
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: that I can hopefully, you know, I'm going to ride

829
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 1: a bike in like two to two and a half

830
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: hours before daylight so that I get in there super

831
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: super early. So yes, there's a chance I might spook

832
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: a deer off one of these bean fields, but I'm

833
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: hoping that by going early enough and by riding a

834
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 1: bike in that I will hopefully minimize that impact. I think,

835
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: you know, from what I've seen and heard, I think

836
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: that deer won't react quite as negatively to a bike

837
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: as a person walking along, you know, they're not quite

838
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: easised to that, and it'll be faster and quieter and

839
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: all those things. So when I get one of those

840
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: really good rot days, good cold weather, when I'm hunting

841
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: here in Michigan, take that bike in super early and

842
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: go on the back edge of this field. And then

843
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 1: I have to go and it's a long route back

844
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: around this swamp. But basically what this stand is is

845
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: it is on the just inside some timber. On the

846
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: back side of me is a massive CRP field, a great, big,

847
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: thick CRP field that nobody is allowed to hunt. On

848
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: the front side of me is a narrow, a narrow

849
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: stretch of high ground that separates that big CRP field

850
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: from a great big swamp. And I've got deer bedded

851
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: just along the edge of this high ground right in

852
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: front of me and inside the swamp. And then there's

853
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: sometimes dear bedded back in that CRP that will be

854
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: behind me. And what I believe is happening is that

855
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: there's gonna be bucks cruising along the edge of that

856
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: swamp on the high ground, trying to win anything that's

857
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: betted in these betting areas to the west of me.

858
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: So when I've got a west window on the head

859
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: and there sit this ridge kind of it's not really ridge,

860
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: just a small era of high ground and just sit

861
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: that all day. And if I can do that like

862
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: two days in a row or a couple of days,

863
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm some of those best rout days. I just have

864
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: to believe that something's gonna come cruising through there. So

865
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: that is what I think is one of my top

866
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: rot spots because this downwind of a really good dough

867
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: betting area and in a good kind of travel corridor,

868
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: because it's just basically the only easy way for a

869
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: buck to get from point A to point B without

870
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: slashing through the middle of that swamp, which they're not

871
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: gonna do typically, or being out in the open in

872
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: some of these fields. So that's one um. Another set

873
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: I'm excited about, And it's a stand that you can

874
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: only hunt on the very best wind. But it's in

875
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: Ohio on my lease down there, and it's in a

876
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 1: spot that you would normally not want to hunt because

877
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: it's low. It's in of creek bottom and you've got

878
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of ridges that all come down and all

879
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: drop down on this one bottom point and on just

880
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: about any wind direction. Your wind swirls in there and

881
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: you get busted. But if you have a southeast wind

882
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, there's this creek. The way this creek

883
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: exits this little bottom, it opens up into a field

884
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: that goes down to your um, that goes down to

885
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: your southeast. So let me excuse me. You need a

886
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: northeast wind, so you need this wind. No, I'm sorry,

887
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm getting this all wrong. It's I'm trying to picture

888
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: some my head. It's a northwest wind that would blow

889
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: your wind down to the southeast out behind you. For

890
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: whatever reason, you get a consistent wind when you have

891
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: that direction. So with that wind, I sneak into this bottom.

892
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: It's down and like it said, a creek bottom. There's

893
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: a little kind of grassy brushy field down there next

894
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: to this bottom, and then on either side of you,

895
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: you've got two big ridge lines which are covered with

896
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: dough bedding areas. And then there's three different points that

897
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: come down on off of those ridges and all converge

898
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: right at a creek crossing right next to this tree stand.

899
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: So it's in a perfect travel corridor. It's back in

900
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: the cover, so deer moving there all the time, and

901
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of right in between where these three travel

902
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: routes that connect dough betting years, I'll come together. I've

903
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: hunted that stand. Um, I've hunted that property four years now,

904
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: and I've only sat that tree stand three times total. Ever,

905
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: and on every single one of those except for one.

906
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: The one time I didn't see a shooter. It was

907
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: because I tried to hunt it on one of those

908
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: bad win days because I was like thinking, I, well,

909
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be okay, and it didn't. It was just swirling,

910
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: so I left after an hour. But all the other

911
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: times I hunted it, we saw shooter bucks and then

912
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: one day my buddy got a shot at one. It's

913
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: it's a fool proof set almost. If you have that

914
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: one wind, you can get away with it. It's during

915
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: the rut, there's going to be activity. It's dining, right.

916
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: That's one, and then you know the one. Other one

917
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: is a new property in Michigan. Like I said, of

918
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: hunting a couple of new spots in Michigan permission on

919
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: and this one is pounded with other hunters. There's other

920
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: hunters in this property, but there's big, big swamp land

921
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: on this piece, and there's a kind of similar to

922
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: that one property I was mentioned in the beginning, where

923
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: there's a piece of high ground that cuts between a

924
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: swamp and some other thick timber. That's kind of what

925
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: I have here, And it just seems like that perfect

926
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: bedding and transition area that if you sat in there

927
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: all day for a couple of days during the ruck,

928
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: something would happen. I love being in thick cover close

929
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: to doe bedding. Those are probably my favorite spots during

930
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: the ruck, at least in these higher pressure hunting pressure

931
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: spots like there's not as much activity in out and

932
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: like an open funnel, like where you've got a little

933
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: strip of timber between two big chunks of timber. That

934
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: stuff works. But in Michigan, I don't see as much

935
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: daylight activity and that kind of spot just because these

936
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: deer getting so much pressure. But if I can get

937
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: into one of these really nasty cover areas up close

938
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: to a doe bedding area, usually those are the better

939
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: spots I find for the rut here in Michigan. So

940
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: those are a couple of spots that I'm excited about. Um,

941
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm ready to get in one of

942
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: those trees. I have not hunted any of those trees.

943
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: Yet this year, of course, I've been saving all those

944
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: spots for the rut um and then you know, of

945
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 1: course also for evening sits. On my main Michigan farm,

946
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: those couple of food plots I have in there, they're

947
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: usually pretty good even during the rut. During the evening

948
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: you know, you go where the does go. And in

949
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: the evenings when the doughs do come out, you know,

950
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: before they get overly harassed, at least what I've seen.

951
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but usually earlier in the rut,

952
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of activity on my food plots.

953
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: And then like once you get to the peak of

954
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: the rut or you know, maybe ten twelve, thirteen days

955
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: into it, these doughs have been harassed so much they

956
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: tend to not be as much on the food plots um.

957
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, like November one, Halloween, November one,

958
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: November two, on this farm, those spots are just a deer,

959
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, just chaos like the I remember one

960
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: day I went out there to the spot at like

961
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: three o'clock or something. I had to work during the

962
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: day or something, and I got out and I got

963
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: out to that tree stand like two or three, And

964
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: while I'm climbing into the tree standing, big mature eight

965
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: point come running through the food plot, walk right underneath

966
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: my tree, stand before you get a shot. And then

967
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 1: I had two mature bucks fighting about a hundred yards

968
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: away within an hour. And then I saw I think

969
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: a tot of fourteen bucks that night in just a

970
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: couple of hours. Um, just because there's a lot of

971
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: doughs hitting that food plot and all these bucks are

972
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: coming and check it out. Um. So I don't know,

973
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: it's I'm excited. You go go where the dos go

974
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: or being a travel corridor, and and stay there as

975
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: long as you possibly can, all right, And I think

976
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: it's hard to go wrong, right, And I think that's

977
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: what for me over the years I have, you know,

978
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: I put I put some high some high I set

979
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: some high goals for myself every year, right, try to

980
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: shoot a four year old or older. And I always

981
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: have had a season where and granted I don't, I'm

982
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: kind of blessed. Right. I have some kind of pressure

983
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: on my property, whether it's from other non hunters like

984
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: guys working on the farm or other hunters I have.

985
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: I run into those every year. But if I hunt

986
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: consistently and hard enough throughout that vacation. I have always

987
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: ran in or had an encounter within And what I

988
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: mean by encounter, I mean something that's not within shooting distance,

989
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: but I saw him. It's, you know, within my site.

990
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: I didn't need binoculars. Every year I've had an encounter

991
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: with with a mature buck. Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's I

992
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: think the rut is something that because it's such because

993
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: it's such an exciting time of year, like we put

994
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: so much like you, like you right, there's a lot

995
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: of pressure on you to make it happen during the

996
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: rut because basically that's your best chance all year, and

997
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: then once that's done, your chances are you know, nil

998
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: or going down quickly. So we all put a lot

999
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: of pressure on ourselves during the rut to kill a buck.

1000
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: So because of that, and because of the high expectations

1001
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: we have for it, I think sometimes we overcomplicate it,

1002
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: you know, we like we put so much pressure into

1003
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: thinking about oh what about this and this and this

1004
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: and that and this, and if I were I've tried

1005
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: to keep telling myself to keep it simple, you know,

1006
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: just be out there as long as you possibly can

1007
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: be in an area if it doesn't, if it doesn't

1008
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: do one of those two things, if it's not you know,

1009
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 1: somewhere near a dough bedding area, or if it's not

1010
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: in a good travel quarter connecting them, we're're gonna catch

1011
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: a cruising buck. You know, there's no reason to be

1012
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: there if it's not one of those two things, as

1013
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, at least or somewhere around, does

1014
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: um because that's it, right, I mean, deer are either

1015
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: a buck is either trying to get to a dough

1016
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: or checking for a dose. They're doing one of those

1017
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: two things. And if you always try to run your

1018
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: thoughts through that filter, does this tree stand take into

1019
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: account one of these two things? I think if you

1020
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: do that you can kind of rest easy. Is long

1021
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: as you fit one of those two categories, you're gonna

1022
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: be okay. Right right now, I got I got a

1023
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: question for you that kind of just popped up into

1024
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: my head. Do you feel that there are days in

1025
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: the rut where, let's say, maybe it's warm or maybe

1026
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: you know you were you really want to get into

1027
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: um A said stand, you know, a set stand, but

1028
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: the wind direction is wrong in it? Do you do

1029
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: you believe and maybe taking a day like a hunt

1030
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: off and maybe observing from your truck or going and

1031
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: doing trail cameras uh one evening or one morning, or

1032
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: or sleeping in to get or you know, sleeping in

1033
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: to get maybe a little bit of energy back. Because

1034
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, there's been times in the

1035
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: past where you know, you're hunting sixteen days straight or

1036
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: five days all day hunts that can get very tiring, right,

1037
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: So do you believe in and maybe taking a day,

1038
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, a hunt off in either regrouping or you know,

1039
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: going to check trail cameras for some more information. So

1040
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: I definitely I've definitely been in that position, and I

1041
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: have done that. Sometimes we're just you're so burnt out

1042
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: you need a morning or something like that. Because if

1043
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: you're out there but you're not really there. You know,

1044
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: if you're sitting in the tree but you are just

1045
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: not in it mentally, UM, you could blow your opportunities then.

1046
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: So if you are in that spot like that physically

1047
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: or mentally where you just need that break, I don't

1048
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: think you shoul feel bad about doing that, UM. But

1049
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: I will tell you I've become more and more UM

1050
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: a believer in the fact that any day, any condition

1051
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: during that time period of November, it can happen. So

1052
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get myself to be even more crazy

1053
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: about it and just like just be out there. Yes,

1054
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: there's I think observation stands and that kind of stuff.

1055
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: If that is important, especially if you're handing a new property, um,

1056
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: and especially you know, early season, late sea. But during

1057
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: the rut, I think if it's a property you know,

1058
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: and if you have a pretty good idea what's going on,

1059
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: I'd say be out there being the best spots you

1060
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: can be, be in a position you can kill because

1061
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: if you only have five days or something during the rut,

1062
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, you have to just be out there to

1063
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: have the opportunity. You need to be in a tree

1064
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to get that shot. Um. I

1065
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: would say, obviously things will be different if it's a

1066
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: brand new property because you want to kind of learn

1067
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: things and push your way in there. If it's if

1068
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: it's a rut trip to a public peace or something,

1069
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, it might make sense to start in the

1070
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: edges and moving away in or do some intel some

1071
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But for me this year, I'm going

1072
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: to be in that in that tree stand no matter what,

1073
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: as best as I possibly can be, just because I

1074
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 1: just keep on being reminded too often that good things

1075
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: can happen during the rut, even with bad conditions, even

1076
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: on the days you don't think it's gonna happen. And

1077
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: I think the biggest challenge of hunting during the run

1078
00:58:55,080 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: for me is keeping your mental health up. So that's

1079
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: why I would say, if your mental health is not

1080
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: where it needs to be, then take a little time,

1081
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: because I think one of the biggest challenges is just

1082
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: keeping your state of mind in a place where you

1083
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: are ready for that five seconds it's going to determine

1084
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: whether or not you kill that buck this year, you know.

1085
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean during the rough, things happen so so fast,

1086
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: and if you're not paying attention, or you're getting down

1087
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: on yourself, and because of that, you're not really with it,

1088
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: or you're not looking all around you, or you're not

1089
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: listening or whatever it is. I found when I'm tired,

1090
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: or when I'm not feeling very confident, or where I'm

1091
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: getting sick of it or whatever, when those things happened,

1092
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: that's when I'm not attuned to what's happening around me,

1093
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: and that's when mistakes get made. UM, if that happens

1094
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: to happen to you, when you're one chance of the

1095
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: year happens, well you are s o l. So I

1096
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: think you've got to balance those two things. If if

1097
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: you find yourself really losing your mental edge, I guess

1098
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: I think it is okay to get back into it.

1099
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: But if you can keep that mental edge, then just

1100
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: pushed through. Because I mean, you know, last year with Glenn,

1101
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: it was a perfect example that I had hunted, you know,

1102
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: seven or eight, nine days or something without seeing a shooter.

1103
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: It had been kind of lousy weather in Iowa. I

1104
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: bailed out of there, went to Ohio. Um wasn't seeing

1105
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: anything like I was hunting a full fourteen hours and

1106
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: I saw one deer the whole day. Um for like

1107
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: four days. So I was down and my mental edge

1108
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: was was slipping. But it made a switch. Moved to

1109
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: a new stand and you know, out of nowhere, all

1110
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden, here's the number one buck I've been

1111
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: after hunting for three years. Here he is at twenty yards.

1112
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: And if I hadn't happened to be paying attention, you know,

1113
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: he would have spooked. He would have stepped out of

1114
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: the tree. I would have been dicking around on my

1115
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: phone or something or turning or whatever it is, and

1116
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: he spooked and there goes my season. Um So I

1117
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: think that is like this huge you know, not often

1118
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: talked about part about hunting, the rut that can make

1119
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: or break everything. Got you. Yeah, I don't know. I'm

1120
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: I like to grind it like you know that your

1121
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: word man grinded. I've I have had two kids. I

1122
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 1: know what it's like to be extremely tired but still

1123
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: be able to function. Um, and it's just like hunting

1124
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,919
Speaker 1: is just like having a newborn at at times, and

1125
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: it's it's after It's crazy to say, but after you

1126
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: have kids, hunting for sixteen days straight is easy. Well

1127
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: that's good to know. Hey, I got I got one

1128
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: more question. Do we have time for one more question?

1129
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: We've got plenty of time, Okay, good. I want to

1130
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: talk about I want to ask you about what your

1131
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: thoughts are on access and specifically you know you mentioned

1132
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: you have a stand that is only good for a

1133
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: specific wind. Now, is that because of the access to

1134
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: that stand or is it because of the wind direction

1135
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: while you're in the stand, Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah,

1136
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: I think it does. So in that specific instance, it's

1137
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: not access. It's like just when you're sitting there, because

1138
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 1: of the fact that you're down in this bottom, there's

1139
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: all this terrain around you. The wind on most wind

1140
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: directions just spins around and around and around, so any

1141
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: deer coming towards you ends up winding you, um, which

1142
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: just does not work. But I will say um different

1143
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: than at other points of the year. I am personally

1144
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: just me personally, I'm willing to get a little bit

1145
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: riskier with my wind direction typically during the rut and

1146
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: I will sacrifice, like if I have to get to

1147
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,919
Speaker 1: a spot if the conditions are right, you know, great

1148
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: cold front, I want to be in my best stand,

1149
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: you know whatever. There's all intel that points to that

1150
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: being the right spot to hunt. But my wind is

1151
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: not perfect for access, or my wind is not great,

1152
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: not exactly how I'd like it to be. I'm much

1153
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: more willing to push the limits on that during the

1154
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: rut um because I think you're able to get away

1155
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: with more. I think if you spook a buck on

1156
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: one day, there's still a chance. If you're in like

1157
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: a travel quarter something, there's gonna be other deer that

1158
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: come through. Um, so I think you can get away

1159
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: with more at this time of year. I'm not as

1160
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: obsessive about keeping the pressure quite as low as I

1161
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: am at every other time of the year. What about you,

1162
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: I always you know, especially that river bottom stand that

1163
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: I talked about, I know it can be good with

1164
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: multiple wind directions, but in the past, I've always accessed

1165
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: it from let's say, one specific direction with the wind

1166
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: in my face because it sits on a property line, right,

1167
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: So I need to figure out ways to access my stands,

1168
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: and I have done this from different, you know, different directions,

1169
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: so I can hunt that stand on multiple winds. Right,

1170
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: So I have a stand that I can hunt on

1171
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: a northwest I have and I can hunt I can

1172
01:03:53,680 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: basically hunt this stand on every every direction except a

1173
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: northeast wind. I can hunt it on a straight east,

1174
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: I can hunt it on a straight north, but I

1175
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: can't hunt it on a northeast wind. So that that

1176
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: gives me a lot, a lot of opportunity. Right. But

1177
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: if I'm accessing and it's always good in the morning,

1178
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: but if I'm accessing it from the east, that stand

1179
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: from the east, I am walking through deer to get

1180
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: to that stand. Yeah, And I think that's something you

1181
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: can get away with, you know, like once or something

1182
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: like that. But if you do it, you're like four

1183
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: or five days in a row. That's that's when I think,

1184
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: even during the rut that you know, if you consistently

1185
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: are blowing all the doors out of the spot when

1186
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: you're trying to access, I think that's when you start

1187
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: seeing that impact, Right, do you think so? I agree?

1188
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: I just think I think I guess what I'm getting

1189
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: at is to to these guys who think that if

1190
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: it's if it's the wrong wind, you shouldn't hunt the stand,

1191
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 1: look at your access first. And I know that we've

1192
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: talked with um Bill Winkie and he's wrote some articles

1193
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: about almost how he approaches it. Not where's the best

1194
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: stand location, but what's the best access route to get

1195
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: to that? And um, I'm sure you can point out

1196
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: that that episode, but that's one thing that's been an

1197
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: eye opener for me. Right, just because the stand is

1198
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: the stands in a good spot, because there's deer activity there,

1199
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: why not try to hunt it in a different wind direction? Yeah, Yeah,

1200
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: that's great point, you know, kind of alluding to kind

1201
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: of along these lines. Another big thing this is, this

1202
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: is probably the biggest mistake I think I've ever met

1203
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: when it comes that I've ever made related to the

1204
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: rut um, is that I have left the hot spot

1205
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: m hm because of prior plans, and I will never

1206
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: do that again if I can, it all help it.

1207
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: So a couple of times so for me, right, I

1208
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: traveled to hunt, so lots of times. I'll be hunting

1209
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: here in Michigan a couple of days and then I'll

1210
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: plan on, Okay, November seven, I'm going to Ohio or whatever.

1211
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: So I've had a couple of different years where that

1212
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: was the thing where I had like a you know

1213
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: sometime that second we can know member somewhere in there,

1214
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna go to Ohio. So I was holding

1215
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: a Michigan up until that point, and I had one

1216
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: of those awesome days where there's doze and estress in

1217
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: the area, bucks are after them, I'm having some good

1218
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: encounters and like this is it. And for whatever reason,

1219
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: I think one year is because I was going to

1220
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: Iowa and I was like, I gotta get to Iowa's

1221
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: plan and going on this day, so I left. I

1222
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: left the hot moment in Michigan and I went to Iowa.

1223
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: I regretted it. I had another time where the same

1224
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: thing with it was. It was on in Michigan, and

1225
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: because of my previous commitments and plans, I decided to

1226
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: switch it up and stick with my original plan and

1227
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: go to Ohio or whatever. And I just think, you know,

1228
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: like we talked about earlier, the rut is not this

1229
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,959
Speaker 1: consistent period of great greatness. There's going to be these

1230
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: bursts of great activity. And if you happen to come

1231
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: upon that burst of great activity in this specific location

1232
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: or this specific stand, or this region of your property

1233
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: or whatever, milk it, do not bail on that until

1234
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: you know that that's not going on anymore, because it's

1235
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: not to last and it will not necessarily be layer

1236
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: when you come back. UM. At least in my opinion,

1237
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: I think, stick with that hot hand while it's happening, UM,

1238
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: and don't try to overthink things like I'm I'm not

1239
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: going to be afraid to hunt the same stand multiple

1240
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: days in a row anymore. Sometimes I overthink it. I'm like,

1241
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to press this too much, but if

1242
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: it's on, stick with it. UM, is my my new

1243
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: kind of motto during the rut, I'm going to push

1244
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: things a little bit more when you've got that special

1245
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: magic happening, because it's just not guaranteed that it's going

1246
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: to stick around. When you've got that hot dough, you've

1247
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: got to take advantage of. So that, I think is

1248
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: one of my biggest changes that or one of my

1249
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: big lessons learned that I'm trying to adjust to. What

1250
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: about you, I guess first, what do you think about that? Well?

1251
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: I think I had to stand one year where I

1252
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: I hunted it morning and night five days in a row,

1253
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: and or not, I shouldn't say that stand, but once

1254
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: CRP field, based on the wind direction, I hunted one too.

1255
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: Three I had three points in this CRP field where

1256
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: shipwreck was coming out, and it was on that It

1257
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: was on that fifth day that I ended up shooting him.

1258
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: So it wasn't the same stand, but it was an

1259
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: area based off wind direction, and I I hunted the

1260
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: ship out of it and and I ultimately got the

1261
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: shot at him. I didn't kill him, but it was

1262
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: it was worth it right. I saw multiple I had

1263
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: had multiple encounters with him in that five day period,

1264
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: and I saw multiple other bucks. I saw bucks chasing

1265
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: does and it was just a matter of time, you know,

1266
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: And you think about it like this, it's a matter

1267
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: of time between point A the deer and point BU

1268
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: until they they pass. Right, you're gonna You're either going

1269
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: to figure it out or it's almost like dumb luck

1270
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 1: right where you just it just is gonna happen if

1271
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: you if you stay thorough and you you grind it out. Yeah,

1272
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: and it's you know, worst case scenario. You hunt several more,

1273
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: you hunt, you know, in one of those days, the

1274
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: magic stops and then you say, okay, so now I've

1275
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: pushed as far as I can go, and then you

1276
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: can really okay. But but why not keep trying when

1277
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: you are still seeing good activity? Um, you know, you

1278
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: won't know until you hunt that one day ensure. Maybe

1279
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: you have one bad day and then you adjust. But um,

1280
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: it would really suck to not hunt there and then

1281
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: check your camera the next day and there's three shooters

1282
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: that ran by your stand. Um. So I have a

1283
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: folder in my uh, I don't know if I have

1284
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: it anymore, but I used to have it called a

1285
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,839
Speaker 1: daylight file, where it was it was all the bucks

1286
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: that came through this scrape that I used to hunt

1287
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: on a different piece of property after my rut vacation

1288
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: was over. So it was like, uh, you know, hundred

1289
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: sixty Class ten pointer or a hundred and forty Class eight,

1290
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: all these mature bucks coming through using this scrape that

1291
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: day while I that first day back to work, and

1292
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: I'd go check that camera in December or something, and

1293
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 1: it was like, hey, you should have you should have

1294
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: stayed here one more day. You know, all those reasons

1295
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: to quit your job. Yeah, I know what you mean.

1296
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: I uh yeah, blessing and a Chris. I got another

1297
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: question for you while you're in Ohio. Are you gonna

1298
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: have your wife check your trail cameras in Michigan and

1299
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: send them back to you. No, because I do not

1300
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: want to put more miles on my truck than I

1301
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: need to, and that potentially could have that happened. But

1302
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: I will tell you what this new wireless trail camera have.

1303
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: It probably will give me some heartburn if I start

1304
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: seeing bucks showing up on that. But lucky, I'm lucky.

1305
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: My my wireless camera doesn't doesn't get reception on my

1306
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: main farm. It's too far out in the country. I

1307
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: just man I would be fired from my from my

1308
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: marriage and from my job. Yeah. I have a new

1309
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 1: morning routine now that I think my wife is already

1310
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: catching onto. The first thing I do is roll over,

1311
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: pull out my cell phone and check the pictures. And

1312
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: she's already yelling at me, like during primetime in the evening,

1313
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: like we're watching a TV show and Netflix or something,

1314
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: and I'm pulling out my phone and just check in,

1315
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: and she's like, God, you are so annoying. So that's

1316
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 1: that's one downfall of that. But I don't know, man,

1317
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: I'm excited. It's an amazing time of year. And I think, uh,

1318
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: you know this is this is when this is when

1319
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 1: dreams come true? Right, And I'll tell you, I'll tell

1320
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: you one more thing when it comes to this time

1321
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: of year at least, And I think it's it's the

1322
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: case for you and me. For me, especially in Michigan

1323
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 1: when you've got the gun season, nobody on the fifteenth,

1324
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: and for you because of other commitments. You know, the

1325
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: rut is kind of like the super Bowl in the

1326
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. It's like the fourth quarter of the Super

1327
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: Bowl for a lot of right, you've got your best

1328
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: opportunity at achieving all your hopes and dreams of the year.

1329
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: And it's also like that time period where it's now

1330
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: or never for a lot of us. So don't be

1331
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: afraid to throw the hell mary when you're getting into

1332
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: that time period, Like you gotta give it everything you have,

1333
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: you gotta leave it all on the field. I mean,

1334
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how many other sports cliches there are,

1335
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: but basically, think of any good sports cliche and apply

1336
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: it to your week of run, hunting, or whatever it

1337
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: is you have, because this is when, this is when

1338
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: you make it happen. So don't be afraid to swing

1339
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: for the fences. Right yep, I am like my mouth

1340
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: is watering right now. I want to go I want

1341
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: to go out and check some trail cameras or or

1342
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: do something else. But um, you know that that old saying,

1343
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: and this is this is what I've learned over the years.

1344
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: The you know, the young bull and the old bull.

1345
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: They're standing at the top of the hill, and the

1346
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: young bulls like, hey, let's go down there and bang

1347
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 1: all them cows, and the or bang bang one of

1348
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: them cows, and the old bulls like, how about we

1349
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: walk down and bang them all? So if you can

1350
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: if you can relate that into my hunting season. I

1351
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: think I'm I'm going to you know, I'm I'm walking

1352
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: into this season very you know, lightly, no pressure to

1353
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: my to my best stands, and then when the time's right,

1354
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bang them all. If that makes sense. Let's

1355
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 1: let's avoid bestiality for your red vacation. Please, none of that,

1356
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: and just just shoot one good buck, all right. And

1357
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 1: on that note, on that note, you literally were saying

1358
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna bang them all day, but you took it there.

1359
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: I know, and I think we need to just shut

1360
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: this thing down. This is it's officially over. Good luck

1361
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: to everybody, Yes, good luck to everybody. Shoot straight, enjoy

1362
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: these next few days or weeks of hunting. This is

1363
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: this is what it's all about. This is what we

1364
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: waited all year for. So enjoy it, and I don't know,

1365
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: get at it, and just remember, I mean, have fun. Yes,

1366
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: this is in a competition. Absolutely enjoy yourself where your

1367
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: safety harnesses. And with that we will shut this down.

1368
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: And now, as mentioned earlier, here's our bonus interview with

1369
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: Buddy Pylon regarding ozonics and using ozone to manage human oder.

1370
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, So to kick things off. So many

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01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: people have questions about ozonics because it's different. It's really

1372
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: different than just about anything else out there. So even

1373
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 1: though ozonously been around for a number of years, now,

1374
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: can you just kick this off by helping us understand

1375
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: again exactly how does ozonics work? How does ozone help

1376
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: us deal with scent issues? Okay, well that's a that's

1377
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: a great question mark, and uh, you know, I'll work

1378
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: to try to to make that answer as simple as possible.

1379
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: But um, basically um ozone for lack of a better term,

1380
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: And actually this is a term that Tim camp from

1381
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: A used to work for a leader archery I give me.

1382
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: But ozone is a predatory molecule. That's the best way

1383
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: to think about that. Basically, what what you do is

1384
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: you take an oxygen molecule and we use high voltage

1385
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: electricity to tear that oxygen molecule or fragment that oxygen

1386
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: molecular O two in half. And those two parts want

1387
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: to attach to something or in this case, like I said,

1388
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 1: like a predator. They want to attack other molecules to

1389
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 1: get back to the regular state. And when they attached

1390
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: to another oxygen molecule, this fragment it becomes O three

1391
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: and it becomes ozone, which is which is a powerful oxidant.

1392
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: And anytime it literally just searches out other things to

1393
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: attach to to get back to a normal state, and

1394
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: wanted attaches to something, and in this case, like you

1395
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: refer to human odor, it literally begins to grab that

1396
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:02,560
Speaker 1: molecule and and and unravel it. So every time and

1397
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: owes an O three molecule attaches to a portion of

1398
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: that scent molecule, which is bacteria, it begins to destroy

1399
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: and unravel. So in a perfect sense, enough ozone molecules

1400
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: were attached to that single human molecule and literally destroy

1401
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: it and it's gone, or as it unravels it, it

1402
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: alters it to the point that is no longer recognizable

1403
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: as human odor to a big game animal or or

1404
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 1: any animal for that that um matter. So essentially, it's

1405
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: essentially what the zox is doing is it is grabbing

1406
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: whole of all of our human scent that's going down

1407
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: towards wherever this deer might be, and it just it's

1408
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,520
Speaker 1: changing those scent molecules so that, like you said, it's unrecognizable.

1409
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: That that's all that's happening here, right, Well, there's two

1410
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: things happen again. Remember so, So hunting with ozone is

1411
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 1: about time and concentration. If you have enough concentrated ozone

1412
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: for a long enough time in a perfect world, every

1413
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,959
Speaker 1: bit of your odor is completely destroyed, not just altered.

1414
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: But like I said, like a ozone is a predatory molecule,

1415
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: means that it is much smaller than other molecules out there.

1416
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: So a human cent owner would be much larger, and

1417
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: it would take more than one ozone molecule to completely

1418
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: destroy it. But that one ozone molecule would begin the

1419
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: process of unraveling at a at a molecular level. That's

1420
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: that what makes up that as as human. And so ideally,

1421
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: if you imagine your hand, take your hand and put

1422
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: five your four fingers in your thumb, and that's human odor,

1423
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: and it leaves you and as it encounters a cloud

1424
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: of ozone, imagine one single ozone molecule attached to your

1425
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: pinkie and at that point that molecule is no longer human.

1426
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: So if it gets through your cloud of ozone, but

1427
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: only one ozone molecule attacked it, it gets to an animal,

1428
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: that deer is not going to recognize it as human.

1429
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: They may smell something, they may get curious, they may

1430
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: look around, but they don't see that as human. Now,

1431
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: if you have five ozone molecules attached to your four

1432
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: fingers and that thumb, then you can imagine that completely

1433
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: destroys that human molecule and nothing gets through to the animals,

1434
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: so they wouldn't even react at all. That's the perfect world.

1435
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: And on occasion or or so the combination of those two,

1436
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: you're altering human odor and you're destroying human odor. But

1437
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: both of those reduce human odor. So if something because

1438
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: the wind swirls, gets through to that animal, he typically

1439
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: uses his nose to range distance or the intensity of

1440
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: the odor he gets. And and at that point he goes, oh, wait,

1441
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: well that hunter is four dred yards away, when in

1442
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: reality you're twenty two yards away and you've already made

1443
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,600
Speaker 1: the decision to take the animal or pass on the

1444
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: anim Yeah, that can make all the difference in the world. Now,

1445
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: another thing, another thing I understand about his host from

1446
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: my own experiences and from what i've you know, seen

1447
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: and learned over the years, that it's it's important how

1448
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 1: you set it up in the field, right, I've heard

1449
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 1: the term chase the wind. Can you elaborate on the

1450
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: right way to set up and use your unit in

1451
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 1: the field if you actually have one and you're trying

1452
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: it out. Absolutely, In fact, that's the most critical piece.

1453
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: You know. There's still a lot of people that will say, um, hey,

1454
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: if it works, and I would say to that is

1455
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: it's It's kind of like the reference to gravity. You

1456
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: you may argue with the principle of gravity, but if

1457
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 1: you jump off the roof, if gravity will show you

1458
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: that it works every time. And ozone ozone is the

1459
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: same way it is at a molecular level, human odor

1460
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: in the presence of enough ozone is always destroyed. So

1461
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,520
Speaker 1: what it comes down to the critical pieces hunter application,

1462
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: I can give you mark the best bone in the world,

1463
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: but if you shoot it upside down, you're not going

1464
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 1: to be very effective. And the honey with those own

1465
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: no difference. So the term you use chase the wind, dear,

1466
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,719
Speaker 1: don't smell you dear smell? Will you release into the air.

1467
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,839
Speaker 1: And so when you finally grasp that concept, it's very simple,

1468
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: but it's hard to really think of that because we

1469
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: we we never we always associated deer with busting us.

1470
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: But the fact is they're busting your odor that's been

1471
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: released in the sense stream down wind. So you always

1472
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: want to position your unit in such a way to

1473
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: deliver the maximum amount of ozone and and position in

1474
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: such a way also to keep that ozone in the

1475
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: area as long as possible. So that's the term chase

1476
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: to win. If the wind moves on you, obviously at

1477
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: that point, if you're not, if you're not delivering ozone

1478
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: to the down wind sense dream, then there's a lot

1479
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: there's a much higher chance of your oder getting through.

1480
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: So a critical piece of this is always to assess

1481
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: the wind direction, determine where that's that take your unit

1482
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: in place an eight to twelve inches above you in

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01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: a in a moderate win, I'm you know, three to

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01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: three to twelve thirteen miles an hour with an HR

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01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: two d The HR three because of the more ozone

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01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: it makes, will give you a higher threshold here. But

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01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: position your unit, make sure it's pointed down when and

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01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: about at about a thirty degree angle. As the wind

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01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: picks up, you're gonna change or steep in that angle

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01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 1: of delivery on your unit until finally you're at a

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01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: ninety degree angle and in and in super high winds

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01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: where for a two hundred where it would push up

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01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 1: over I would literally pull the unit in the entire

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01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: amounting system and pull it as close to me um

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01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: as I possibly could without interfering with drawing my bow

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01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: um in that situation because again time and concentration, I

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01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: need to keep as much ozone in the down wind

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01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: stream as close to me to encounter all the odor

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01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: that's leaving my body and either be altered, reduced and destroyed. Yeah. Well,

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01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: that that's great advice. And some of that is even

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01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: new to me a little bit, and it makes a

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01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: lot of sense to when how that wind might impact

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01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: the delivery of the ozone two year sense gerhim and

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01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: wanting to adjust it based on speed and velocity and

1505
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: things like that. It makes a lot of sense. Now

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01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: I have to ask, and I understand the answer to

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01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: this question myself, but people always ask me is ozone safe?

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01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: And so I think we we need to we need to,

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01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, hear what your thoughts are on that or

1510
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: the explanation understanding, because I think that's something that people

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01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: are always curious about. So can you help us understand that? Sure?

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01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: So UM, I would always start off to kind of

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01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 1: help people put context to that. So, UM, if I

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01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: were to take you, unlock you in a closet and

1515
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: pump pure oxygen in that closet, what we breathe every

1516
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: day to stay alive, but I pump it full of

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01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 1: pure oxygen, at some point, it would reach a toxic level.

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01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:52,919
Speaker 1: UM Ozone is no different. However, our units are designed Again,

1519
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: if used correctly and in the proper application, UM, you

1520
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: would never reach that toxic level. And so but now

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01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: let's back up and talk about from a pure hunting standpoint.

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01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: The first thing I would always say when somebody says, oh, man,

1523
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: I is it safe if you're breathing oh zone for

1524
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: a prolonged period of time, the simple answer is that

1525
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: you do not have the unit set up correctly. You're

1526
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: not hunting correctly with it. Just like I talked about

1527
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 1: earlier with your bow upside. Now you you have your

1528
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: setup wrong. If you catch a width of it intermittently,

1529
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: that may mean the world the wind swirled. But if

1530
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: you're breathing it constantly, that means the winds completely changed

1531
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: and you need to chase the wind. Because where do

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01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: I need those always down? Wind of me. Whether I'm

1533
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 1: in a ground blind set up, a hard blind set up,

1534
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: an open air environment, if I'm breathing ozone for a

1535
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: prolonged period time, I have the set up wrong. Now,

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01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: if you the first thing, you would experience um and

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01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: so as a as a model checks, say, guys excited

1538
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 1: and he doesn't even realize he's breathing it. But you

1539
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: would get scratchy eyes and a dry throat and that

1540
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: and dry scratchy throat. Turn the unit off, gets some

1541
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: fresh air. But again I go back to the first part.

1542
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: If you're breathing it for more than a second or

1543
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: two on occasion, that means you haven't set up wrong,

1544
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: and that is an indicator to go okay, what what

1545
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: what's the wind doing here? And same thing again with

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01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: ground blinds. There's a lot of people that will get

1547
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: into a pump the blind full of ozone, and that's

1548
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: a waste of your ozone and not the most effective

1549
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: application of the technology. In a ground blind situation, you

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01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: you would take the opportunity to create air flow like

1551
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: a chimney in your house. If if I set my

1552
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: chimney and my flu correctly, no smoke comes into my

1553
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 1: living room, but it all goes out of the house.

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01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,799
Speaker 1: Same thing in any type of blind situation, create airflow

1555
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: and hyper osonate the exit because that's where your owner

1556
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: is going, that's where your need der ozone, and you don't.

1557
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: You never breathe ozone at all. So in that situation,

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01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 1: you're you're talking about opening one window down wind of me.

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01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: So it I do have air come out the back

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01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,520
Speaker 1: of my blind, but I've got the ozon the ozonics,

1561
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: like you said, hyper orisnating that I think you had mentioned.

1562
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: I think it's so it takes care of all that sentence.

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01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 1: So I open it up to create that flow. Is

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01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 1: that right correct? So so if the wind direction is

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01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 1: right to left in my ground blind, I'm gonna take

1566
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: and crack a window up high on the right inside.

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01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: Ideally I would crack a window on the lower left side,

1568
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: and at that point I'm able to adjust or restrict

1569
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 1: air flow. And then I would position my unit in

1570
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 1: such a way that where the exit is in that blind,

1571
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: the airflow exit, that's where I pump every bit of

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01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,839
Speaker 1: my ozone. And so every and every whether you're climbing

1573
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 1: a tree stand, whether you're climbing in the ground blind.

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01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 1: The first thing you should always do is determined wind

1575
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 1: direction and and then go Okay, where's the downlin direction.

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01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: That's where my odor will be going, That's where the

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01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: animals will smell me, That's where I need my ozone.

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01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: And with that we will wrap this bonus segment up.

1579
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,759
Speaker 1: If you're someone who's been curious about osonics or ozone,

1580
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: hopefully this was helpful. So in closing a few more updates, First,

1581
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: be sure to listen to our radio episode this week

1582
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: that just came out yesterday, as we have some new

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01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: RUT reports from states like New York, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Illinois,

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01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: and more, and we cover a lot of interesting things

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01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 1: related to what kind of activity is happening right now,

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01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 1: what kind of tactics are working, and what we can

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01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 1: be looking forward to in the coming days. Moving on,

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01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: we also need to thank our partners who helped make

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01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 1: this podcast possible, so big thank you too, Sick of Gear,

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01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: Redneck Blinds On, Terra Maps, Yeddie Coolers, Ozonics, Carbon Express,

1591
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: Maven Optics, and the White Tailed Institute of North America.

1592
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 1: And finally, thank you all for tuning in today. Get

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01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,879
Speaker 1: out there in a tree, enjoy the rut good luck hunting,

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01:26:49,040 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt. M