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Speaker 2: In today's episode, in the previously on we will be
Speaker 2: touching on the Other Cinematic Universe. The House of Ideas.
Speaker 2: Marvel Studios released new trailers for three upcoming projects at
Speaker 2: its first ever D twenty three Brazil, which is huge.
Speaker 2: And finally, Disney and marm are recognizing what DC has
Speaker 2: been recognizing for a while that Brazil has one of,
Speaker 2: if not the most fervent comic book movie fan culture
Speaker 2: in the world. Whoo in the airlock, we are going
Speaker 2: to look at the future of the DC Cinematic Universe
Speaker 2: post The Joker, post the Penguin, looking at what's been confirmed,
Speaker 2: who has been cost what do we want to see
Speaker 2: as we head into twenty twenty five, when we will
Speaker 2: get that true start of the James Gun ofverse.
Speaker 1: But first, previously on lots of stuff coming out of
Speaker 1: D twenty three Brazil, you mentioned it D twenty three,
Speaker 1: their very first D twenty three Brazil as Operation Offset China.
Speaker 1: The loss of the China market continues apace. First up
Speaker 1: season three trailer for What If. I was tremendously excited
Speaker 1: by this wonderful moments Avengers Voltron kind of thing. We
Speaker 1: saw Storm as the Goddess of thunder with big news
Speaker 1: that a storm will be voiced by the same actor
Speaker 1: that voices her in X Men ninety seven. Alison Seely Smith, Yes, great,
Speaker 1: this looked very exciting to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really cool. Also very interesting to me
Speaker 2: because I think something that we've often wondered about is like,
Speaker 2: when will they start taking from the comics when it
Speaker 2: comes to What If? Rather than melding stuff from the
Speaker 2: movies and using it mostly as an mcuvehicle. But the
Speaker 2: Storm Godess of Thunder stuff is clearly directly taking from
Speaker 2: like X Men Giant Size Annual nine, which was you know,
Speaker 2: the storm Goddess of Thunder, which I think for a
Speaker 2: lot of people was also one of the stories that
Speaker 2: they remember best from the classic X Men stuff, so
Speaker 2: I think that's very cool. I love that they got
Speaker 2: Alison Seely Smith. The X Men ninety two now X
Speaker 2: Men ninety seven cast have been such a huge proponent
Speaker 2: of that still having the fandom it does, so they
Speaker 2: should be casting them. We have Oscar isaacaus Moonnight seemingly
Speaker 2: as shang Chi, Hailey Seinfeld as Kate Bishop Darcy Seth
Speaker 2: Green has Howard the Dark Law. I wonder if they're
Speaker 2: still married. But I think that that's a huge deal
Speaker 2: because it's doing what they were promising at DC that
Speaker 2: Marvel's already been doing, crossing over those voices to the
Speaker 2: animated shows, showing that this is an important part of
Speaker 2: the future of the MCU. Also, we are getting members
Speaker 2: of the Eternals. We are getting Door marmu Agatha Kaori,
Speaker 2: the indigenous character that was created that currently has her
Speaker 2: own mini series, which is really exciting. Also, there's gonna
Speaker 2: be another original character addition to Kaori like they did
Speaker 2: in the last season. It's going to release on December
Speaker 2: twenty second, with eight episodes releasing daily, which I think
Speaker 2: will be fun for Christmas. This looks like a big
Speaker 2: step up from season two to me.
Speaker 1: I agree. I was disappointed in season two.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people were, Yeah, there were
Speaker 2: cool moments. Especially, I think that was a tough one
Speaker 2: because as comic fans, we were looking at like when
Speaker 2: they were doing Marvel sixteen oh four, We're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, is this going to be kind of adapting
Speaker 2: that really incredible run, and it was a different take
Speaker 2: on it, and it didn't necessarily feel like it had
Speaker 2: the cohesion of season one, which really still I think
Speaker 2: has some standout moments from the MCU, like Evil Strange
Speaker 2: kind of killing all those different universes and going through
Speaker 2: all the different weird hearts that he had to eat
Speaker 2: of different creatures. My nephew still talks about that episode
Speaker 2: a lot. So I like when they are standalone stories
Speaker 2: that anyone can watch, but I think that they have
Speaker 2: more impact when they can cohesively put a through line
Speaker 2: that is going to connect them. Also, I like them
Speaker 2: recognizing that Storm is a goddess, that is who she
Speaker 2: should be. I also like the recognition that, as we
Speaker 2: have talked about a lot, Storm is really your premiere
Speaker 2: X man right now, and if you're going to launch
Speaker 2: an X Men universe and the MCUs and the Avengers.
Speaker 2: Let's make Storm the focus. So yeah, I think this
Speaker 2: is exciting. I hope it's a return to form and
Speaker 2: hopefully it will give us some seeds of what is
Speaker 2: to come. And hopefully this time they will actually commit
Speaker 2: to the ideas introduced, because I think something that didn't
Speaker 2: necessarily work about even the first season, they promised a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that seemed like it would easily connect
Speaker 2: to Multiverse of Madness, and then they reeled it back
Speaker 2: and we're like, well, it could be that, but it's different.
Speaker 2: I think we need a full cohesion between the animated
Speaker 2: stuff and the MCU in the case of.
Speaker 1: WIF completely a great next we got a new Captain
Speaker 1: America Brave New World trailer with a lot of built
Speaker 1: out action scenes. We see a lot of easter eggs
Speaker 1: of things that we've been expecting, including tie in from
Speaker 1: the end of the Eternals movie, and if you've wondered,
Speaker 1: like what happened to that celestial we see it in
Speaker 1: the background of a bunch of shots from this, and
Speaker 1: we see a lot more Red Hulk stuff.
Speaker 2: We get our first look at his face. He's looking
Speaker 2: very angry. We see them recreate some moments like cover
Speaker 2: moments with Red Hulk punching the fist on the shield
Speaker 2: moment and stuff like that. One thing I really liked
Speaker 2: about this trailer. I know this is going to sound
Speaker 2: so small, but JA and I know you will get this.
Speaker 2: I think it's very smart to do a different typeface.
Speaker 2: I makes it feel like a totally different tone.
Speaker 3: I agree they use this kind of how would I
Speaker 3: describe it, like sam seraph like blasted out where it
Speaker 3: looks It looks like the type of lettering that you
Speaker 3: would see before, like an educational film at school.
Speaker 1: Exactly, And I think that was really cool. I completely
Speaker 1: agree with you.
Speaker 2: That it's a totally different tone. Another thing I like,
Speaker 2: because I'm not gonna lie. We were talking about this
Speaker 2: before we came on, Like we've heard about the reshoots,
Speaker 2: the changes they've had to make, and it seems like
Speaker 2: more than your average because we know that reshoots happen
Speaker 2: on every movie. And I personally, as an Isaiah Bradley
Speaker 2: fan who loves the comic that he was originally introduced in,
Speaker 2: I don't love this idea of him being compromised and stuff.
Speaker 2: But another thing that I did think was very cool
Speaker 2: about this trailer for this movie was I love the
Speaker 2: way that we're finally getting to see Sam actually use
Speaker 2: his wings, something he barely ever did his falcon and fly.
Speaker 2: You get that really sick moment at the end where
Speaker 2: he caught wheels through a car and cuts a car
Speaker 2: in half. We also get the moment where he does
Speaker 2: the kind of wing blast when he sets middle and
Speaker 2: knocks everyone out. I also do really love the line
Speaker 2: where Thunderbolt Ross says to him, you're not Steve Rodgers,
Speaker 2: and then Sam says you're right, like I'm not, and
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, good, Let's see what that means in
Speaker 2: this context.
Speaker 1: An eighty two year old Harrison Ford playing the President
Speaker 1: worryingly appropriate. Worryingly appropriate at age eighty two, I think
Speaker 1: he should run. Now, just do it, bro like you,
Speaker 1: I think listen. I think this trailer was a step
Speaker 1: up from what we've seen. I do have concerns that
Speaker 1: with all the tinkering, and more than tinkering really is,
Speaker 1: by all accounts, they've gone in and torn up lots
Speaker 1: of parts of this movie and reshot and rerode et cetera.
Speaker 1: I do think that the best we can hope for
Speaker 1: is like a workable Frankenstein's ceiling. But let's see. You know,
Speaker 1: I am concerned that this will not be yeah that great.
Speaker 2: I think that hopefully they can give Sam Wilson like
Speaker 2: a movie that he deserves, but it will we are
Speaker 2: yet to see where it shakes out.
Speaker 1: I will say that I like that they've steered into
Speaker 1: the established Captain America kind of political thriller Winter Soldier
Speaker 1: kind of tone. Yes, and I think that's smart.
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of really good response for that
Speaker 2: in the comic shop. People were very excited for that.
Speaker 2: They felt like it was a return to that that
Speaker 2: kind of Cold War thriller esque moment that's going to
Speaker 2: feel even more relevant right now. We know that there
Speaker 2: have been issues with certain characters, and I'm interested to
Speaker 2: see if they are able to resolve those. We shall
Speaker 2: see where it goes. But that was not the only trailer,
Speaker 2: and I think, surprisingly to me, out of the two
Speaker 2: trailers they showed, the Thunderbolts trailer was the one where
Speaker 2: you were like, oh, Marvel thinks this is going to
Speaker 2: be a hit, which I did not think before this.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. We get basically a three
Speaker 1: minute plus almost four minute trailer that includes what appears
Speaker 1: to be a scene from early on in the film,
Speaker 1: a complete scene in which Red Guardian is driving his
Speaker 1: fellows around, including Elena and US agent around in a
Speaker 1: rental Limo.
Speaker 2: That he that's his job. I guess that's Red Guardian
Speaker 2: Limo Services, protecting you from a boring evening.
Speaker 1: That's right as Bucky going like almost like full Steve
Speaker 1: Rodgers nomad vibe drives up with an RPG at.
Speaker 2: The end to save them.
Speaker 1: I think this and this is a lot of material
Speaker 1: that we saw from the leaks from d twenty three
Speaker 1: that said this releasing this much. I agree with you, Rosie.
Speaker 1: The energy is Marvel thinks this is good. Marvel thinks
Speaker 1: this is a hit.
Speaker 2: This is going to be the big classic free comic
Speaker 2: book Day movie, as we call it, which is going
Speaker 2: to be the May release. I will also say again,
Speaker 2: who's doing the typefaces? Because I love this.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Nothing that gets me more excited about a movie than
Speaker 2: someone just putting giant typeface cross the screen. So they
Speaker 2: introduce each of the characters that way, and we get
Speaker 2: a lot of humor here that I think it's nice
Speaker 2: to remember that the Marvel universe has always been funny
Speaker 2: because of Jon Favreau, because of Robert Downey Jr. And
Speaker 2: that can change like eternals. I love that movie. Not
Speaker 2: necessarily a funny movie Depool versus Wolverine, funny movie, but
Speaker 2: definitely totally different tone. So this definitely feels like a
Speaker 2: return to that MCU quippiness, but in a way that
Speaker 2: I personally felt was not annoying. It felt tropy. It
Speaker 2: felt like they were doing a different version of it.
Speaker 2: And it's fun to see the banter between them. There's
Speaker 2: a great couple of great really fun to see, even
Speaker 2: though you know he is like a terrible person, but
Speaker 2: that's the nature of the Thunderbolts. I feel like whyatt
Speaker 2: Russell gets to have those funny moments he did not
Speaker 2: get to have because the US agent is not funny
Speaker 2: in the version we saw of him in the TV show.
Speaker 2: But there was some great chemistry here. I love to
Speaker 2: see it. Also, we do learn a huge thing here
Speaker 2: if you are one for the Greater Law, which is
Speaker 2: that it's clear that Contessa Valentina Alegra d'fontein is the
Speaker 2: one who bought Avengers Tower. We see her standing in it.
Speaker 2: She says it's good for optics for the team to
Speaker 2: have it. There's lots of jokes about Thunderbolts the name.
Speaker 2: They even do a joke at the end where you
Speaker 2: get the little we Thunderbolts and everyone looks at Alexi
Speaker 2: and doesn't like the name, and then when we see
Speaker 2: it the next time, they've added the asterisks. I'm going
Speaker 2: to tell you my pitch what I think is going
Speaker 2: to happen. I think that this team, just like in
Speaker 2: the comics. I think they will be Valentina's version of
Speaker 2: the Avengers, and for the movie we will they will
Speaker 2: be being presented as the Avengers, and then really we
Speaker 2: know they are a dark Avengers or a Thunderbolt, and
Speaker 2: I think that will end up being the takeaway and
Speaker 2: people will be very shocked because, oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: like an evil Avengers team. But then obviously we'll get
Speaker 2: like a real Avengers team soon.
Speaker 1: I have a different theory. I like your theory better,
Speaker 1: but I'm just putting this alternate theory out there because
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. So one of the characters that
Speaker 1: we see in this trailer and that we saw in
Speaker 1: the previous league is this guy who is in Bob,
Speaker 1: who's in hospital smocks, and it's clear that he's powered
Speaker 1: up in some way because you see at one point
Speaker 1: that he's standing in front of these swat teams that
Speaker 1: are facing him, and he's got all kind of his
Speaker 1: shirt is all riddled with bullet holes. But he's fine,
Speaker 1: he's fine. I think it's clear that this Bob is
Speaker 1: the Century from Marvel definitely. Here's my theory. The Kntessa
Speaker 1: Valentina Defontaine wants to elevate Bob to the superman that
Speaker 1: the government can control, and in order to do that,
Speaker 1: he has to eat up the bad guys who are
Speaker 1: the Thunderbolts, who she is setting up to be crushed
Speaker 1: by Bob the Century, so that they can get behind
Speaker 1: Bob as the propagandistic superman.
Speaker 2: I think that makes a lot of sense, especially because
Speaker 2: this was giving big suicide squad vibes, So the either
Speaker 2: of them being set up to present Bob as almost
Speaker 2: their kind of superman. I think that's very smart and
Speaker 2: I could definitely see that being the way, and she
Speaker 2: is not in any way a reliable, trustworthy person for
Speaker 2: them to be working with, so I'm interested. I was
Speaker 2: not particularly excited for Thunderbolts, but this trailer did change that.
Speaker 2: I love a good kind of Last time we had
Speaker 2: the Pixies, this time we have the Toadies. It was
Speaker 2: cut really well. It's got a lot of really funny moments.
Speaker 2: I love that we got Bucky doing the terminator shotgun throw,
Speaker 2: like that's just epically cool to me. I also like
Speaker 2: that the way they introduced Bucky is almost like a
Speaker 2: parody of an eighties movie, Like his hair is rolling
Speaker 2: in the wind, he's got he's got the sunglasses. I
Speaker 2: like to see Sebastian stan get his shine. He's been
Speaker 2: doing a lot speaking of people, doing a lot of
Speaker 2: interesting choices. He had fresh He's got a different man
Speaker 2: coming out, which is going to be a big moment
Speaker 2: for disabled cinema. So I'm very interested to see where
Speaker 2: this goes. And it's not that long anymore. It's been
Speaker 2: a while. Yeah, And the fact that we're gonna have
Speaker 2: three MC movies next year and then multiple TV shows.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited to get back on the horse.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, baby. I was thinking when I was watching
Speaker 2: the Thunderbous Trayla, I was like, twenty twenty five, we're
Speaker 2: gonna be yappin'. We're gonna be here. We're gonna be
Speaker 2: yapping about Superman, We're gonna be yapping about Thunderbolts, gonna
Speaker 2: be yapping about Sam Wilson, and all those TV shows
Speaker 2: that they recently confound will be coming out next year,
Speaker 2: like Iron How It's gonna be a crazy year for
Speaker 2: the comic book heads.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. I also love that this movie
Speaker 1: is an opportunity for characters like Ghosts, Jehan Common and so.
Speaker 2: I want How to Get Her Shine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, to get like a bigger moment than the moments
Speaker 1: that they had in their movies. I'm excited for that.
Speaker 1: And clearly again it seems like Disney thinks that this
Speaker 1: is a big one, that this is a good one. Okay,
Speaker 1: next up their Lock, Yeah, next the Airlock. Okay, Rosie,
Speaker 1: here we go. Let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: Hm.
Speaker 1: The Joker fully Due is out. Quentin Tarantino loves it.
Speaker 2: Oh he does. Good for him. I'm glad I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: The Penguin has finished in really bleak but incredibly thrilling fashion,
Speaker 1: and that brings us to the new slate of offerings
Speaker 1: as the James Gun era fully takes hold and first
Speaker 1: up December fifth, twenty twenty four Creature Commandos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be a very exciting tone setup because
Speaker 2: it is gonna introduce a lot of characters who, according
Speaker 2: to James Gunn, will be continuing their roles as live
Speaker 2: action characters as well as he's seeing the animated series
Speaker 2: from guns So, we've got India of Varma, love her
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones, Rome Luthor, She's in so many great things.
Speaker 2: She's gonna be the Bride who obviously is our Frankenstein's
Speaker 2: bride style character from what we've seen so far in
Speaker 2: the trailer, very brutal, efficient killer. We're gonna have Frank
Speaker 2: Grio's coming from Ageless Ageless Frank Grio. He's coming from
Speaker 2: the Marvel universe where he was Crossbones and now he's
Speaker 2: gonna be Rick Flagg Senior, a role that he will
Speaker 2: quickly be reprising in Peacemaker too, I believe. In addition
Speaker 2: to that, we're gonna have Viola Davis. Obviously, she has
Speaker 2: been Amanda Waller for a long time in the DCU.
Speaker 2: Now I'm glad they're keeping her in there. It's fantastic casting.
Speaker 2: Sean Gunn he's always in everything. He's gonna be Weasel,
Speaker 2: and Steve Age, who will be John as we met
Speaker 2: him in Suicide Squad and Peacemaker. So this is gonna
Speaker 2: be very interesting. It's basically a soft launch for the
Speaker 2: DCU because the real big live action launch will be Superman.
Speaker 2: But I think this is going to be very interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: It looks very brutal, looks definitely very Invincible influenced. But
Speaker 2: DC's had a storied history of fantastic animation, so I
Speaker 2: think this is going to be really cool.
Speaker 1: And this is Amanda Waller's other outlaw team, a team
Speaker 1: of monsters that she will have do various black op operations,
Speaker 1: similar to the setup she has with the Suicide Squad,
Speaker 1: but this time monsters. Yeah, and I'm excited for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually spoke to David Dasmulchin, who obviously played
Speaker 2: Polka dot Man and Suicide Squad, who was in Batman,
Speaker 2: the christophanoland Batman movies. He is currently writing a new creature,
Speaker 2: Commando's Team for DC really cool. I interviewed him at
Speaker 2: DC dot Com and he made a great point that
Speaker 2: I think is going to be really important to this
Speaker 2: version of the Creature Commandos, where basically he said, they're
Speaker 2: very easy to immediately pose as the villains. So they're
Speaker 2: a great team because if anything goes wrong, you just go,
Speaker 2: oh my god, how did these monsters go out? It's
Speaker 2: even harder to humanize them than it is the Suicide Squad.
Speaker 2: So I think we're definitely going to see that duality.
Speaker 2: But yeah, very exciting. And then before you know, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be twenty twenty five and if things go well,
Speaker 2: it could be the year of DC.
Speaker 1: That's right, fun tie in for how this and this
Speaker 1: shows you the attention to detail that James Gunn is
Speaker 1: applying to his DCEU. Is this Creature Commandos is coming
Speaker 1: in the wake of Peacemaker and the wake of Suicide Squad,
Speaker 1: and after all the tremendous loss of life among the
Speaker 1: agents that she has put in the field. She's restricted
Speaker 1: from using human agents, so that's why she has turned
Speaker 1: to monsters, right operations.
Speaker 2: It makes so much sense after Suicide Squad too, But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean going from that, that's going to be this brutal,
Speaker 2: adult violent project and then next year we're going to
Speaker 2: get Superman, which obviously I'm assuming is going to be
Speaker 2: a totally different vibe this summer.
Speaker 1: July eleventh, twenty twenty five. This is the big one,
Speaker 1: the live action Superman from the DCEU. David corn Sweat
Speaker 1: as Clark Kent Slash Superman, Rachel Brosnahan as Lois Lane.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see this and to see how
Speaker 1: I think it's smart that they're launching Superman first to
Speaker 1: set the tone for this era. Of course, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get Crypto in there. I'm fascinated because I think much
Speaker 1: has been said about how difficult it is to make
Speaker 1: a compelling Superman, but I believe that James Gunn could
Speaker 1: do it, So I can't wait to see what happens here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very interested in it too, because there is
Speaker 2: so many characters who have been cast for this. You're
Speaker 2: talking about Isabelle mccartt as hallgir Eddie gatheggis Mister Terrific,
Speaker 2: Nathan philly And as Guy Gardner, Anthony Kerrigan as Metamorpho.
Speaker 2: We're definitely going to get a Crypto. James Gunn did
Speaker 2: an emotional post about how his own dog that he
Speaker 2: adopted inspired Crypto. I think this could be a huge
Speaker 2: launch pad and I'm very interested to see the kind
Speaker 2: of story they're going to tell with so many characters,
Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting. Does Superman already exist? We've
Speaker 2: also had rumors this is where the authority will appear.
Speaker 2: It's also very interesting because the next movie that is
Speaker 2: due out after this in twenty twenty six is Supergirl
Speaker 2: Woman of Tomorrow, which is not family friendly, not hopeful,
Speaker 2: and this completely bleak western Shoka, which is gonna start
Speaker 2: Milly Alcock, our fave from House of the Dragon. She's
Speaker 2: gonna be Supergirl. It's gonna have Craig Gillespie directing, Anna
Speaker 2: Nagera writing this screenplay, and it's adapting the Tom King
Speaker 2: Bill Quiss Everly limited series that is set in the
Speaker 2: Deep Cosmos and sees Supergirl, a drunken, depressed Supergirl go
Speaker 2: on a true Grit style adventure with a young girl
Speaker 2: who wants to get vengeance for her father's death. So
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting that you're getting Superman and Supergirl,
Speaker 2: but already they're gonna be in these very different spaces
Speaker 2: and tones. I'm interested to see if they can balance that.
Speaker 1: That's right, And now we go into the movies that
Speaker 1: are farther aware. Are they gonna have the are they
Speaker 1: gonna happen? Movies? First up, the Authority, the hyper violent,
Speaker 1: morally complex team.
Speaker 2: Even complex due to who they were created by. Now
Speaker 2: I'm it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's very much great of my word, Elis, with the
Speaker 1: amazing art of Brian Hitch, apparently will connect to Superman somehow.
Speaker 1: As you noted, I wonder if I mean for lawsuit purposes.
Speaker 1: This can't happen, but there was that fake Evil Avengers
Speaker 1: parody team in the Authority during the another complex air
Speaker 1: quotes Complex person Mark Run of Mark Malaura on the
Speaker 1: title that can't happen, but it would be really funny
Speaker 1: if it wasn't there anyway? Tell us about the Authority.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think this is another really interesting swing.
Speaker 2: It's very likely that this would be more of a
Speaker 2: bleak serious The Boys esque story. Yes, but they are
Speaker 2: apparently rumor has it gonna appear in Superman. So maybe
Speaker 2: there's a world it's more grounded. Maybe we're living in
Speaker 2: a world where Superman is already trying to retire even
Speaker 2: though he's young, because he loves Lewis Lane. And then
Speaker 2: the Authority arrive. I know it's going to be very interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm also interested because after that, some of the other
Speaker 2: ones they've mentioned are like The Brave and the Bold,
Speaker 2: which again would be kind of a Damian Wayne Robin,
Speaker 2: but it wouldn't be connected to Matt Reeves version of Batman.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, I'm going to bring up a movie
Speaker 2: that has been unconfirmed as part of the gun Averse,
Speaker 2: but we've seen both James Gunn and Matt Reeves talk
Speaker 2: about a lot recently, which I'm very excited about, Dynamic Duo.
Speaker 2: It's a Matt Reeves DC animated movie. It's going to
Speaker 2: be a Dick Grayson and Jason Todd as Robin's movie.
Speaker 2: You have to see go online, guys and google the
Speaker 2: videos of this because the puppet tree that they are
Speaker 2: using is so unbelievable that it looks like CG It's
Speaker 2: They're using these stop motion puppets where they've created a
Speaker 2: new way to move their faces and it is some
Speaker 2: of the most uncanny stuff I've ever seen. Sway Box
Speaker 2: is the animation team behind it, and it's going to
Speaker 2: be Arthur Mints and Teresa Anderson who are going to
Speaker 2: direct the movie. I think this is very interesting because
Speaker 2: it's not connected to the Matt Reeves Batman stuff, but
Speaker 2: it is to do with Matt Reeves. But we've also
Speaker 2: seen James gun sharing it, so I think we could
Speaker 2: start to see a bit more collaboration and crossover between
Speaker 2: these seemingly disconnected universes. So that looks unbelievable and very
Speaker 2: excited for that Swamp Thing obviously, I want that to happen.
Speaker 2: That feels to me like the least likely to go
Speaker 2: into production right now, not for any other reason than
Speaker 2: just it's so hard to bring it to life.
Speaker 1: I feel like the Authority is the least likely because
Speaker 1: of what's in it and because there's literally no one attached.
Speaker 1: At least with Swamp Thing. You've got James Mangold attached,
Speaker 1: that's true, and he's got some juice obviously with Wolverine
Speaker 1: and Logan and three Tending my other movies he's made,
Speaker 1: and it has a voice that really fits well.
Speaker 2: With Swamp Thing. You could definitely see the visuals.
Speaker 1: With Swamp Thing. But I feel like if there's one
Speaker 1: of these that at least won't happen in this cycle,
Speaker 1: it'll be the Authority. I feel like that's the one that.
Speaker 2: Makes sense, especially as well if they do end up
Speaker 2: introducing the Authority within Superman, there's a fair chance that
Speaker 2: they might not need their own movie because we do
Speaker 2: have some members of the authority who've already been cast,
Speaker 2: like the actress who played Ratcatcher two in Suicide Squad
Speaker 2: is the engineer. So it's interesting, but we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: Television show wise, Peace make a season two definitely happening.
Speaker 1: Excited, Yeah, show runner James Gunn, continuing.
Speaker 2: The huge success for them with the first season.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, and a really interesting tone too that I think,
Speaker 1: Yes is unlike anything else that's out there in the
Speaker 1: superhero realm, really fun. Peacemaker is this heightened conservative with
Speaker 1: a heart, and it'll be very interesting to see the
Speaker 1: tie ins through the various properties as this version of
Speaker 1: the DCE Star.
Speaker 2: That's what's going to be most interesting as we see
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five explodes. I agree, and we know that,
Speaker 2: as we talked about recently, Marvel is coming in with
Speaker 2: a stack year, so this could really be a big
Speaker 2: interesting space a show that's definitely happening. That they've done
Speaker 2: a lot of casting on Lanterns. Who Kyle Chandler is,
Speaker 2: how Jordan Aaron Pierre Is, John Stewart, Tom King is
Speaker 2: actually working on this movie with Damon Lindelof and Chris Mundy.
Speaker 2: Chris Mandy's going to be the showrunner. Very interesting. They're
Speaker 2: saying it's going to be a mystery on Earth, very grounded,
Speaker 2: but it will set up a big part of what
Speaker 2: we're going into going forward. Jason, your pitch, now, what
Speaker 2: do you think could be an Earth based mystery that
Speaker 2: would set out a huge story that they could follow Fanos'
Speaker 2: style throughout this spread out DCU.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a good one. I do wonder if
Speaker 1: it's something dark Side related.
Speaker 2: That feels like the most obvious answer.
Speaker 1: Some sort of centric cult that he's like created. Oh,
Speaker 1: I like that on Earth.
Speaker 2: That would be very true detective too, and.
Speaker 1: That has caused chaos somewhere in some far flung corner
Speaker 1: of space that then the Lantern Core has to then
Speaker 1: go follow a thread to investigate here on Earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my pitch. I think that would be really cool.
Speaker 2: I am interested to see where they go with that one.
Speaker 2: We know that. Nathan Phillia, do you have a pitch do?
Speaker 1: What is your theory?
Speaker 2: No? I think you're right. I think something to do
Speaker 2: with dark Side, some kind of occultist muders. Maybe there
Speaker 2: could even be something where they could bring in a
Speaker 2: Motherbox or something. But I definitely think you're on the
Speaker 2: right track. I also know that this is gonna be
Speaker 2: where we see Nathan Phillian come over as Guy Gardner
Speaker 2: from Superman, so I think that will be interesting. I
Speaker 2: love Guy Garder.
Speaker 1: I think that's Do you think he survives Superman?
Speaker 2: I think he survived Superman because they're making a lantern show.
Speaker 2: He seems very killable and James enjoy kill I do
Speaker 2: think knowing James Gunn's tastes, knowing his vibes, knowing the
Speaker 2: things he enjoys, I'm sure, like me, he is a
Speaker 2: Guy Gardner enjoyer. Okay, other shows that we don't really
Speaker 2: know much about Waller. We know that that's gonna be
Speaker 2: a spin off with Viola Davis. Love that she deserves it.
Speaker 2: I hope she gets some emmys. I'm sure it'll be
Speaker 2: very interesting. Paradise Lost interesting. That's gonna be kind of
Speaker 2: your Femiscerra before Wonder Woman's story.
Speaker 1: Which are politics of Semiscira.
Speaker 2: That could be a Game of Thrones level show if
Speaker 2: they do it right, then interestingly, a Booster Gold series.
Speaker 2: I love Booster Gold, and I hope to me, I
Speaker 2: hope it connects to the untitled Blue Beetle animated series
Speaker 2: that we're supposed to get, because obviously those two they're
Speaker 2: great team together. I would love to see that. And
Speaker 2: then we have stuff like The Batman Batman too. We
Speaker 2: know it's coming out, It's gonna come out October twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six, but that is an else World's movie.
Speaker 4: Ye how now We've talked about this a lot, but
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 2: This is a big question.
Speaker 1: This is the big question. With the Penguin being as
Speaker 1: good as it is, taking us to a level of
Speaker 1: immersiveness and detail with a focus on these villains from Gotham,
Speaker 1: you know, the success of that, how can this remain
Speaker 1: else world If if the Batman two continues the run
Speaker 1: of quality, and let's put success to the side. If
Speaker 1: it continues to be as good and a Penguin season
Speaker 1: two is as good and other properties that happen are
Speaker 1: as good, can it remain separate?
Speaker 2: You know what? Something I think that James Gunn has
Speaker 2: proven throughout his walk, whether it's in the MCU or
Speaker 2: whether it's just been as the Helma of this DCU
Speaker 2: so far, he has been very canny and keen to
Speaker 2: showcase his knowledge for comics, right, and he shares the
Speaker 2: comic book artwork, and then he says, Oh, this is
Speaker 2: going to be an influence, and then the book sells
Speaker 2: out like we had with the incredible you know all
Speaker 2: Star Superman by Frank Morrison, Grant Morrison and Frank Quietly
Speaker 2: or Bill kus Everly and Tom King's Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I think naming it Elseworld is actually very clever because
Speaker 2: not only does any DC fan immediately know what that means.
Speaker 2: Essentially it's an out of continuity story, but throughout history,
Speaker 2: those out of continuity stories have been brought into continuity,
Speaker 2: So I do think that that connotation is there. You know,
Speaker 2: whether it's the Killing Joke or whether it's the Dark
Speaker 2: Knight returns, lots of things have been brought into real
Speaker 2: continuity from Elseworld. I feel like if the Penguin does
Speaker 2: an Emmy sweep, which I think is very likely, and
Speaker 2: then the Batman two comes out, it also makes eight
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars and continues this fantastic exploration, I think
Speaker 2: it would be tempting to do those crossovers. But if
Speaker 2: they managed to make this DCU Gods and Monsters first
Speaker 2: phase a huge success in its own right, then it
Speaker 2: will be very interesting to see if the James Gun
Speaker 2: Peter saffran Cohort can convince the execs to keep them separate.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Gods and Monsters in a second, but
Speaker 1: I just wanted to note one interesting detail in this
Speaker 1: is no casting of Batman yet exactly.
Speaker 2: I think that's a huge I.
Speaker 1: Think there is a conversation that is happening, and I
Speaker 1: think if the Batman two comes out critically acclaimed, building
Speaker 1: on the momentum of the Penguin in the first movie
Speaker 1: and makes a lot of money, I think there's a
Speaker 1: world in which they bring that version of the Batman
Speaker 1: to the DCU.
Speaker 2: Especially because I do think when I first watched The Batman,
Speaker 2: which I loved, I remember being like, you know what,
Speaker 2: be so amazing if his Superman is somebody who has
Speaker 2: just as much vision and style, but for a totally
Speaker 2: Superman centric story, so a happy story, a loving story,
Speaker 2: and then you have to see those two worlds collide.
Speaker 2: I think that is so interesting and we've never truly
Speaker 2: gotten to see that.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's my pitch. In the Gunnerverse, Batman is Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1: He's fucking old, but somehow the portal opens, the streams
Speaker 1: cross and they are able to get the Batman, Robert
Speaker 1: Pattinson version of Batman get him to this the James Gunnerverse,
Speaker 1: and Ben Affleck takes a look at him and says,
Speaker 1: I'm too old to do this. Now you're perfect. You're
Speaker 1: the young guys perfect. This is the new world for you.
Speaker 1: I understand that. But maybe you can be the Batman here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, bad pitch, but a very clunky way to
Speaker 1: do it. But I think that's the way they could
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: That's honestly. Nowadays portal things like that. I could see
Speaker 2: Matt Reeves he's managed to ground the wildest stuff, and
Speaker 2: I could see a way where he could do it. Also,
Speaker 2: there's so much potential here. That's what's really exciting. I mean,
Speaker 2: Aaron raised this great point, which I want to ask you.
Speaker 2: So at first they were like every video game will
Speaker 2: be connected. Obviously that didn't happen, and now they're like, well,
Speaker 2: some of them will be connected and used in a way,
Speaker 2: and the movies will be connected, but you'll be able
Speaker 2: to enjoy every single one, as Aaron posed it in
Speaker 2: the notes. Does that ever really work? Is there a world,
Speaker 2: Jason where you can have something that is interconnected but
Speaker 2: still have people just randomly dip in and out for
Speaker 2: what they're interested in.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think it can work, but I think it's tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think that there has to be a.
Speaker 2: Core that's the success of the original MCU. I guess
Speaker 2: like the first couple of phases.
Speaker 1: I agree. You mentioned Guys and Monsters tell us about
Speaker 1: that new paradigm in DC comics.
Speaker 2: This is basically something that we If you're a DC fan,
Speaker 2: you will have recognized this as there was a really
Speaker 2: fantastic Gods and Monsters comic book, and there was also
Speaker 2: a fantastic Gods and Monsters Justice League movie in twenty
Speaker 2: fifteen from the very beloved DC Animated Universe. It's an
Speaker 2: ultimate universe vibe where there's a different universe of the
Speaker 2: Justice League and you have different Wonder Woman, Batman, Superman.
Speaker 2: It's really really interesting, and I think it's very telling
Speaker 2: that James Gunn used that phrase to describe this ten
Speaker 2: year DCU plan. So I just would say, I think
Speaker 2: we can just expect as always with James Gunn, some surprises,
Speaker 2: some choices that may make us go, oh wait, that's
Speaker 2: the character you're picking. And then obviously, like he did
Speaker 2: with Guardians of the Galaxy, he made a team that
Speaker 2: most people had never heard of into a billion dollar
Speaker 2: success story. So I'm very interested in that. I think
Speaker 2: it covers the notion of doing your trinity like Wonder Woman,
Speaker 2: Superman no Batman, as we mentioned, but also doing swamp
Speaker 2: thing or creature commandos. So I think it's very tight,
Speaker 2: very clever idea. So obviously none of this has happened. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're going into twenty twenty five and it's about to happen.
Speaker 2: But I think the interesting thing is we're kind of
Speaker 2: already also asking like what's next. What does this set up?
Speaker 2: What does the first ear set up? Will they inevitably
Speaker 2: be going for a crisis, is that what they want
Speaker 2: to do? Or are we multiversed out? Is this just
Speaker 2: establishing an incredible blockbuster space where all these different stories
Speaker 2: can happen. I'm very interested because it seems like they're
Speaker 2: doing backwards version of what the MCU did, where instead
Speaker 2: they're introducing all the characters in the first movie and
Speaker 2: then spreading out from there, which we have not seen
Speaker 2: work yet. But I do have trust in James Gunn.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because I think if you
Speaker 1: take your audience to a place where the stories naturally
Speaker 1: grow into this multiverse thing and everybody understands it, that's
Speaker 1: one thing. But I also think for a general audience
Speaker 1: of the size that gun is going for, there are
Speaker 1: going to be people like who are confused, right, just wait,
Speaker 1: the Batman didn't happen here, or the Joker's not part
Speaker 1: of it. How much work do you think that's going
Speaker 1: to be to get people Because obviously hardcore comics people,
Speaker 1: nerd people, DC fans understand this inherently. Yeah, But like
Speaker 1: for that lighter audience, how much messaging do you think
Speaker 1: is going to be around getting people up to speed
Speaker 1: about what's part of it, what's not part of it.
Speaker 2: I think it is a lot of work. But interestingly,
Speaker 2: just the way that James Gunn has put himself out
Speaker 2: there on the Internet I think is a great watermark
Speaker 2: for what they can do. He has been very eager
Speaker 2: to respond to rumors. If somebody says, hey, is this
Speaker 2: casting true, he'll say yes or he'll say no. I
Speaker 2: think if they had him on seth Meyer's famous comic
Speaker 2: book lover and late night show hosts. I think him
Speaker 2: going on there and having these conversations in a really
Speaker 2: chill way, I think the news would disseminate enough that
Speaker 2: most people would understand. I think a lot about Casino Royale,
Speaker 2: the James Bond movie. I went to see that with
Speaker 2: my mum, who loved the Pierce brosn and James Bond,
Speaker 2: She loved Sean Connery James Bond, and she was legit
Speaker 2: truly horrified by that movie. She did not comprehend why
Speaker 2: it was so brutal, but by the end of it
Speaker 2: she was kind of like, Oh, I get it, he's
Speaker 2: just a different James Bond.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know what. I think that throughout his and
Speaker 2: throughout Hollywood history, there has been enough of that cultural
Speaker 2: conversation that even if they don't see him on late
Speaker 2: night or they don't read an article about it, they'll
Speaker 2: probably just be like, Oh, I get it, it's another Batman,
Speaker 2: like there was another Michael Keaton Batman, or there was
Speaker 2: another this. I do think that currently there's been so
Speaker 2: much DC stuff, especially with this penguin stuff that's working
Speaker 2: so well. In the Batman Epic Crime Universe as they're
Speaker 2: calling it, and then the failure of Joker Folioda. But
Speaker 2: that being such a huge known property, I do think
Speaker 2: there is gonna be a little confusion. But I think
Speaker 2: another smart thing is we've got eight months now till
Speaker 2: Superman comes out, and I'm sure James Gunn is going
Speaker 2: to be very present in the pop culture space having
Speaker 2: those conversations, and we'll get to know more as trailers
Speaker 2: come out, or we see comic con announcements, or if
Speaker 2: DC decides they want to go back to a DC
Speaker 2: fandom model and start doing their own D twenty three announcements.
Speaker 1: I think the.
Speaker 2: Rollout is what's going to be really interesting and tell
Speaker 2: us a lot, because also there's so much potential here.
Speaker 2: There was going to be the Black Superman film that
Speaker 2: Tana he See Coats was going to do with JJ Abrams.
Speaker 2: There was going to be a Constantine sequel with Keanu
Speaker 2: Reeves in This Elseworld Life, hoping that happens. Also animated
Speaker 2: film based off the incredible comic The Jurassic League, which
Speaker 2: was where all the Justice League were dinosaurs. It's so
Speaker 2: much fun. The art is just so dynamic, It's a
Speaker 2: joyful read, and I love that Gun's taste is so
Speaker 2: much more unconventional, and they seem a lot less afraid
Speaker 2: of taking wild swings, whereas the success of the MCU
Speaker 2: was based on not safe bets because the characters weren't
Speaker 2: safe bets, but putting them in the hands of someone
Speaker 2: like Jon Favreau and saying, make this grounded, make this believable.
Speaker 2: With Iron Man, I would like to see James Gung
Speaker 2: go the opposite direction and make things unbelievable, make superheroes
Speaker 2: we can imagine we would want to come and save
Speaker 2: our world, not having those conversations like who fills up
Speaker 2: Batman's time? You know, those kind of things.
Speaker 1: Lean into the dcness.
Speaker 2: Feel the gods, the monsters. I'm very excited about it. Also, Okay,
Speaker 2: so post Penguin, just quickly, how would you like to
Speaker 2: see the Penguin play into the Batman too? Because we're
Speaker 2: going to have a couple of years, but I feel
Speaker 2: like that's going to be a big talking point for
Speaker 2: a lot of people who watch this show. How would
Speaker 2: you like to see that show transition into the wider
Speaker 2: world of Matt Reeves DC.
Speaker 1: As like a big bad who Batman can't take on
Speaker 1: in one movie, I think he's going to be an
Speaker 1: overarching villain who goes after Batman as Batman starts to
Speaker 1: eat into his profits from his various businesses make things
Speaker 1: unstable for him. I think he goes after him with
Speaker 1: this stable of weirdo criminals that Gotham seems so full of.
Speaker 1: I think he sets those people loose and has them
Speaker 1: try and take on the Batman. Meanwhile, he'll be using
Speaker 1: the halls of power again legal means to try and
Speaker 1: unmask this who the fuck is this guy? Who is
Speaker 1: this guy? Who could he be? Again? Batman can't just
Speaker 1: walk into city Hall and punch a guy in the face.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very, very difficult for him, as much
Speaker 1: as we wish. As much as we wish, I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a type of story where we see
Speaker 1: Batman as Bruce Wayne having to try and make moves
Speaker 1: to try and take on a guy like this because,
Speaker 1: in a weird way, the Joker's easy because he's just
Speaker 1: a fucking wacko who nobody likes. But if Oz has
Speaker 1: the weight of the city behind him, it's gonna be hard,
Speaker 1: and so I'm really eager to see how Batman could
Speaker 1: take on that kind of criminal, who again is not
Speaker 1: going to be able to be touched with batter rings.
Speaker 1: You can't just like drive your car through the side
Speaker 1: of the city hall and grab him by the nape
Speaker 1: of the neck. You're gonna have to do other things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna have societal protection in a way to
Speaker 2: the Batman villain the Stone. I love that. I also
Speaker 2: just want to shout out, I know our super produce
Speaker 2: a comment has been talking about this for a long time.
Speaker 2: The finale does seem like it could potentially sy up
Speaker 2: a version of Jeff Lobe and Tim Sales Catwoman when
Speaker 2: in Rome, where we would seek Selena and maybe she
Speaker 2: helps Sophia get out. Maybe the pair of them try
Speaker 2: and untangle this relationship. Maybe they become foes, maybe they
Speaker 2: become friends. I think that could be a fantastic in
Speaker 2: between series that could link together what we see in
Speaker 2: The Batman two and what we saw in The Penguin.
Speaker 2: I would be very excited to see that.
Speaker 1: I think Selena knows the truth of who the Hangman is,
Speaker 1: whether she has personal experience with Sophia's dad.
Speaker 2: Or oh yeah, because obviously Carmine choked her out like
Speaker 2: we saw him do that, so she knows.
Speaker 1: She knows, and he killed her mom. That's right, So
Speaker 1: she knows. And I think you're absolutely right. A team
Speaker 1: up with them is going to be very very interesting.
Speaker 2: Because Selena may want to say, well, my sister didn't
Speaker 2: do this, she's not the hangman, but she doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: know the kind of person that Sophia truly is that
Speaker 2: we have seen, So that could be a very spicy
Speaker 2: and fun exploration.
Speaker 1: I agree, And who goes which way? Right? Like, exactly
Speaker 1: does this make Selena more extreme or does this mellow Sophia? Unclear?
Speaker 2: I would love to see that.
Speaker 1: I would really really love to see that. Okay. Next
Speaker 1: week on Xtra Vision, getting you ready for Ridley Scott's
Speaker 1: Gladiator two, it's Swords in Sandals week. We're going back
Speaker 1: to two thousand and first for a rewatch of Ridley
Speaker 1: Scott's Gladiator, then Tuesday recap of Arcane season two, Act two,
Speaker 1: and Wednesday we'll be taking a detour to another Sandy
Speaker 1: property for Dune Prophecy on Max episode one, and then Thursday,
Speaker 1: we're recovering some of our favorite Sword and Sandals movies Excalibur,
Speaker 1: movies of that nature. What else you know.
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of a Swords and sorcery, a
Speaker 2: hemat oh something like that. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 2: a little tech no barbarian legend. Yeah, now we're talking, and.
Speaker 1: Then Friday, of course the main course Gladiator too. That's
Speaker 1: it for this episode. Thanks for listening. Bye x ray
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