1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode Canade spoilers for The Batman, Matt Reeves, 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: The Batman and the Penguin series on HBO and X 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: so be slightly warned me for one. 4 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: Hello. 5 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm risday Night and 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: welcome back to Extra Vision of the podcast, when we 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: culture Coming from My Heart Podcast. We'll bring you three 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: episodes every week Tuesday Thursday, with an extra on Wednesday. 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: In today's episode, in the previously on we will be 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: touching on the Other Cinematic Universe. The House of Ideas. 12 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: Marvel Studios released new trailers for three upcoming projects at 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: its first ever D twenty three Brazil, which is huge. 14 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: And finally, Disney and marm are recognizing what DC has 15 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: been recognizing for a while that Brazil has one of, 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: if not the most fervent comic book movie fan culture 17 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: in the world. Whoo in the airlock, we are going 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 2: to look at the future of the DC Cinematic Universe 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: post The Joker, post the Penguin, looking at what's been confirmed, 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 2: who has been cost what do we want to see 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: as we head into twenty twenty five, when we will 22 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: get that true start of the James Gun ofverse. 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: But first, previously on lots of stuff coming out of 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: D twenty three Brazil, you mentioned it D twenty three, 25 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,919 Speaker 1: their very first D twenty three Brazil as Operation Offset China. 26 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: The loss of the China market continues apace. First up 27 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: season three trailer for What If. I was tremendously excited 28 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: by this wonderful moments Avengers Voltron kind of thing. We 29 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: saw Storm as the Goddess of thunder with big news 30 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: that a storm will be voiced by the same actor 31 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: that voices her in X Men ninety seven. Alison Seely Smith, Yes, great, 32 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: this looked very exciting to me. 33 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really cool. Also very interesting to me 34 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: because I think something that we've often wondered about is like, 35 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: when will they start taking from the comics when it 36 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: comes to What If? Rather than melding stuff from the 37 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: movies and using it mostly as an mcuvehicle. But the 38 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: Storm Godess of Thunder stuff is clearly directly taking from 39 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: like X Men Giant Size Annual nine, which was you know, 40 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: the storm Goddess of Thunder, which I think for a 41 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: lot of people was also one of the stories that 42 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: they remember best from the classic X Men stuff, so 43 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: I think that's very cool. I love that they got 44 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: Alison Seely Smith. The X Men ninety two now X 45 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: Men ninety seven cast have been such a huge proponent 46 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: of that still having the fandom it does, so they 47 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: should be casting them. We have Oscar isaacaus Moonnight seemingly 48 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 2: as shang Chi, Hailey Seinfeld as Kate Bishop Darcy Seth 49 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 2: Green has Howard the Dark Law. I wonder if they're 50 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: still married. But I think that that's a huge deal 51 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: because it's doing what they were promising at DC that 52 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: Marvel's already been doing, crossing over those voices to the 53 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: animated shows, showing that this is an important part of 54 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: the future of the MCU. Also, we are getting members 55 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: of the Eternals. We are getting Door marmu Agatha Kaori, 56 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: the indigenous character that was created that currently has her 57 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: own mini series, which is really exciting. Also, there's gonna 58 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: be another original character addition to Kaori like they did 59 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: in the last season. It's going to release on December 60 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: twenty second, with eight episodes releasing daily, which I think 61 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: will be fun for Christmas. This looks like a big 62 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: step up from season two to me. 63 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: I agree. I was disappointed in season two. 64 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people were, Yeah, there were 65 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: cool moments. Especially, I think that was a tough one 66 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: because as comic fans, we were looking at like when 67 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: they were doing Marvel sixteen oh four, We're like, oh 68 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 2: my god, is this going to be kind of adapting 69 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 2: that really incredible run, and it was a different take 70 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: on it, and it didn't necessarily feel like it had 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: the cohesion of season one, which really still I think 72 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: has some standout moments from the MCU, like Evil Strange 73 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: kind of killing all those different universes and going through 74 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: all the different weird hearts that he had to eat 75 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: of different creatures. My nephew still talks about that episode 76 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: a lot. So I like when they are standalone stories 77 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: that anyone can watch, but I think that they have 78 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: more impact when they can cohesively put a through line 79 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: that is going to connect them. Also, I like them 80 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: recognizing that Storm is a goddess, that is who she 81 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: should be. I also like the recognition that, as we 82 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: have talked about a lot, Storm is really your premiere 83 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: X man right now, and if you're going to launch 84 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: an X Men universe and the MCUs and the Avengers. 85 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: Let's make Storm the focus. So yeah, I think this 86 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: is exciting. I hope it's a return to form and 87 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: hopefully it will give us some seeds of what is 88 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: to come. And hopefully this time they will actually commit 89 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: to the ideas introduced, because I think something that didn't 90 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: necessarily work about even the first season, they promised a 91 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: lot of stuff that seemed like it would easily connect 92 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: to Multiverse of Madness, and then they reeled it back 93 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 2: and we're like, well, it could be that, but it's different. 94 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: I think we need a full cohesion between the animated 95 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: stuff and the MCU in the case of. 96 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: WIF completely a great next we got a new Captain 97 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: America Brave New World trailer with a lot of built 98 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: out action scenes. We see a lot of easter eggs 99 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: of things that we've been expecting, including tie in from 100 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: the end of the Eternals movie, and if you've wondered, 101 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: like what happened to that celestial we see it in 102 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: the background of a bunch of shots from this, and 103 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: we see a lot more Red Hulk stuff. 104 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: We get our first look at his face. He's looking 105 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 2: very angry. We see them recreate some moments like cover 106 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: moments with Red Hulk punching the fist on the shield 107 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: moment and stuff like that. One thing I really liked 108 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: about this trailer. I know this is going to sound 109 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: so small, but JA and I know you will get this. 110 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: I think it's very smart to do a different typeface. 111 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: I makes it feel like a totally different tone. 112 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 3: I agree they use this kind of how would I 113 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: describe it, like sam seraph like blasted out where it 114 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: looks It looks like the type of lettering that you 115 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: would see before, like an educational film at school. 116 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: Exactly, And I think that was really cool. I completely 117 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: agree with you. 118 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: That it's a totally different tone. Another thing I like, 119 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: because I'm not gonna lie. We were talking about this 120 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: before we came on, Like we've heard about the reshoots, 121 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: the changes they've had to make, and it seems like 122 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: more than your average because we know that reshoots happen 123 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: on every movie. And I personally, as an Isaiah Bradley 124 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: fan who loves the comic that he was originally introduced in, 125 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 2: I don't love this idea of him being compromised and stuff. 126 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: But another thing that I did think was very cool 127 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: about this trailer for this movie was I love the 128 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: way that we're finally getting to see Sam actually use 129 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: his wings, something he barely ever did his falcon and fly. 130 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: You get that really sick moment at the end where 131 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: he caught wheels through a car and cuts a car 132 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: in half. We also get the moment where he does 133 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: the kind of wing blast when he sets middle and 134 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: knocks everyone out. I also do really love the line 135 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: where Thunderbolt Ross says to him, you're not Steve Rodgers, 136 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: and then Sam says you're right, like I'm not, and 137 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: it's like, okay, good, Let's see what that means in 138 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: this context. 139 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: An eighty two year old Harrison Ford playing the President 140 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: worryingly appropriate. Worryingly appropriate at age eighty two, I think 141 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: he should run. Now, just do it, bro like you, 142 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: I think listen. I think this trailer was a step 143 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: up from what we've seen. I do have concerns that 144 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: with all the tinkering, and more than tinkering really is, 145 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: by all accounts, they've gone in and torn up lots 146 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: of parts of this movie and reshot and rerode et cetera. 147 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: I do think that the best we can hope for 148 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: is like a workable Frankenstein's ceiling. But let's see. You know, 149 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: I am concerned that this will not be yeah that great. 150 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: I think that hopefully they can give Sam Wilson like 151 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: a movie that he deserves, but it will we are 152 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: yet to see where it shakes out. 153 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: I will say that I like that they've steered into 154 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: the established Captain America kind of political thriller Winter Soldier 155 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: kind of tone. Yes, and I think that's smart. 156 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of really good response for that 157 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: in the comic shop. People were very excited for that. 158 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: They felt like it was a return to that that 159 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: kind of Cold War thriller esque moment that's going to 160 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 2: feel even more relevant right now. We know that there 161 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 2: have been issues with certain characters, and I'm interested to 162 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: see if they are able to resolve those. We shall 163 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: see where it goes. But that was not the only trailer, 164 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: and I think, surprisingly to me, out of the two 165 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: trailers they showed, the Thunderbolts trailer was the one where 166 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: you were like, oh, Marvel thinks this is going to 167 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: be a hit, which I did not think before this. 168 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. We get basically a three 169 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: minute plus almost four minute trailer that includes what appears 170 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: to be a scene from early on in the film, 171 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: a complete scene in which Red Guardian is driving his 172 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: fellows around, including Elena and US agent around in a 173 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: rental Limo. 174 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 2: That he that's his job. I guess that's Red Guardian 175 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: Limo Services, protecting you from a boring evening. 176 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: That's right as Bucky going like almost like full Steve 177 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: Rodgers nomad vibe drives up with an RPG at. 178 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: The end to save them. 179 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: I think this and this is a lot of material 180 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: that we saw from the leaks from d twenty three 181 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:39,119 Speaker 1: that said this releasing this much. I agree with you, Rosie. 182 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: The energy is Marvel thinks this is good. Marvel thinks 183 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: this is a hit. 184 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: This is going to be the big classic free comic 185 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: book Day movie, as we call it, which is going 186 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: to be the May release. I will also say again, 187 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: who's doing the typefaces? Because I love this. 188 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: I love it. 189 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: Nothing that gets me more excited about a movie than 190 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: someone just putting giant typeface cross the screen. So they 191 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: introduce each of the characters that way, and we get 192 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: a lot of humor here that I think it's nice 193 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: to remember that the Marvel universe has always been funny 194 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: because of Jon Favreau, because of Robert Downey Jr. And 195 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: that can change like eternals. I love that movie. Not 196 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: necessarily a funny movie Depool versus Wolverine, funny movie, but 197 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: definitely totally different tone. So this definitely feels like a 198 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: return to that MCU quippiness, but in a way that 199 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: I personally felt was not annoying. It felt tropy. It 200 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: felt like they were doing a different version of it. 201 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: And it's fun to see the banter between them. There's 202 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: a great couple of great really fun to see, even 203 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: though you know he is like a terrible person, but 204 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: that's the nature of the Thunderbolts. I feel like whyatt 205 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: Russell gets to have those funny moments he did not 206 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 2: get to have because the US agent is not funny 207 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: in the version we saw of him in the TV show. 208 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: But there was some great chemistry here. I love to 209 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: see it. Also, we do learn a huge thing here 210 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: if you are one for the Greater Law, which is 211 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: that it's clear that Contessa Valentina Alegra d'fontein is the 212 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: one who bought Avengers Tower. We see her standing in it. 213 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: She says it's good for optics for the team to 214 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 2: have it. There's lots of jokes about Thunderbolts the name. 215 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: They even do a joke at the end where you 216 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 2: get the little we Thunderbolts and everyone looks at Alexi 217 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: and doesn't like the name, and then when we see 218 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: it the next time, they've added the asterisks. I'm going 219 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: to tell you my pitch what I think is going 220 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: to happen. I think that this team, just like in 221 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: the comics. I think they will be Valentina's version of 222 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: the Avengers, and for the movie we will they will 223 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: be being presented as the Avengers, and then really we 224 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: know they are a dark Avengers or a Thunderbolt, and 225 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: I think that will end up being the takeaway and 226 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: people will be very shocked because, oh my god, it's 227 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: like an evil Avengers team. But then obviously we'll get 228 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: like a real Avengers team soon. 229 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: I have a different theory. I like your theory better, 230 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: but I'm just putting this alternate theory out there because 231 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: I think it's possible. So one of the characters that 232 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: we see in this trailer and that we saw in 233 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: the previous league is this guy who is in Bob, 234 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: who's in hospital smocks, and it's clear that he's powered 235 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: up in some way because you see at one point 236 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: that he's standing in front of these swat teams that 237 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: are facing him, and he's got all kind of his 238 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: shirt is all riddled with bullet holes. But he's fine, 239 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: he's fine. I think it's clear that this Bob is 240 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: the Century from Marvel definitely. Here's my theory. The Kntessa 241 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: Valentina Defontaine wants to elevate Bob to the superman that 242 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: the government can control, and in order to do that, 243 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: he has to eat up the bad guys who are 244 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: the Thunderbolts, who she is setting up to be crushed 245 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: by Bob the Century, so that they can get behind 246 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: Bob as the propagandistic superman. 247 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: I think that makes a lot of sense, especially because 248 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: this was giving big suicide squad vibes, So the either 249 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: of them being set up to present Bob as almost 250 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: their kind of superman. I think that's very smart and 251 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: I could definitely see that being the way, and she 252 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: is not in any way a reliable, trustworthy person for 253 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: them to be working with, so I'm interested. I was 254 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: not particularly excited for Thunderbolts, but this trailer did change that. 255 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: I love a good kind of Last time we had 256 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 2: the Pixies, this time we have the Toadies. It was 257 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: cut really well. It's got a lot of really funny moments. 258 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 2: I love that we got Bucky doing the terminator shotgun throw, 259 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: like that's just epically cool to me. I also like 260 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: that the way they introduced Bucky is almost like a 261 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 2: parody of an eighties movie, Like his hair is rolling 262 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: in the wind, he's got he's got the sunglasses. I 263 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 2: like to see Sebastian stan get his shine. He's been 264 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: doing a lot speaking of people, doing a lot of 265 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: interesting choices. He had fresh He's got a different man 266 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 2: coming out, which is going to be a big moment 267 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: for disabled cinema. So I'm very interested to see where 268 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: this goes. And it's not that long anymore. It's been 269 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 2: a while. Yeah, And the fact that we're gonna have 270 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: three MC movies next year and then multiple TV shows. 271 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited to get back on the horse. 272 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: It's crazy, baby. I was thinking when I was watching 273 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: the Thunderbous Trayla, I was like, twenty twenty five, we're 274 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: gonna be yappin'. We're gonna be here. We're gonna be 275 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: yapping about Superman, We're gonna be yapping about Thunderbolts, gonna 276 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: be yapping about Sam Wilson, and all those TV shows 277 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: that they recently confound will be coming out next year, 278 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: like Iron How It's gonna be a crazy year for 279 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: the comic book heads. 280 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. I also love that this movie 281 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: is an opportunity for characters like Ghosts, Jehan Common and so. 282 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: I want How to Get Her Shine? 283 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, to get like a bigger moment than the moments 284 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: that they had in their movies. I'm excited for that. 285 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: And clearly again it seems like Disney thinks that this 286 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: is a big one, that this is a good one. Okay, 287 00:14:53,120 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: next up their Lock, Yeah, next the Airlock. Okay, Rosie, 288 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: here we go. Let's talk about it. 289 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: Hm. 290 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: The Joker fully Due is out. Quentin Tarantino loves it. 291 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: Oh he does. Good for him. I'm glad I enjoyed it. 292 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: The Penguin has finished in really bleak but incredibly thrilling fashion, 293 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: and that brings us to the new slate of offerings 294 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: as the James Gun era fully takes hold and first 295 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: up December fifth, twenty twenty four Creature Commandos. 296 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be a very exciting tone setup because 297 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: it is gonna introduce a lot of characters who, according 298 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: to James Gunn, will be continuing their roles as live 299 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: action characters as well as he's seeing the animated series 300 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: from guns So, we've got India of Varma, love her 301 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: Game of Thrones, Rome Luthor, She's in so many great things. 302 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: She's gonna be the Bride who obviously is our Frankenstein's 303 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: bride style character from what we've seen so far in 304 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: the trailer, very brutal, efficient killer. We're gonna have Frank 305 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: Grio's coming from Ageless Ageless Frank Grio. He's coming from 306 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: the Marvel universe where he was Crossbones and now he's 307 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: gonna be Rick Flagg Senior, a role that he will 308 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: quickly be reprising in Peacemaker too, I believe. In addition 309 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: to that, we're gonna have Viola Davis. Obviously, she has 310 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: been Amanda Waller for a long time in the DCU. 311 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: Now I'm glad they're keeping her in there. It's fantastic casting. 312 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: Sean Gunn he's always in everything. He's gonna be Weasel, 313 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: and Steve Age, who will be John as we met 314 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: him in Suicide Squad and Peacemaker. So this is gonna 315 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: be very interesting. It's basically a soft launch for the 316 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: DCU because the real big live action launch will be Superman. 317 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: But I think this is going to be very interesting. 318 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm excited. 319 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: It looks very brutal, looks definitely very Invincible influenced. But 320 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 2: DC's had a storied history of fantastic animation, so I 321 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 2: think this is going to be really cool. 322 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: And this is Amanda Waller's other outlaw team, a team 323 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: of monsters that she will have do various black op operations, 324 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: similar to the setup she has with the Suicide Squad, 325 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: but this time monsters. Yeah, and I'm excited for it. 326 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually spoke to David Dasmulchin, who obviously played 327 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: Polka dot Man and Suicide Squad, who was in Batman, 328 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: the christophanoland Batman movies. He is currently writing a new creature, 329 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: Commando's Team for DC really cool. I interviewed him at 330 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: DC dot Com and he made a great point that 331 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: I think is going to be really important to this 332 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: version of the Creature Commandos, where basically he said, they're 333 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 2: very easy to immediately pose as the villains. So they're 334 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: a great team because if anything goes wrong, you just go, 335 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: oh my god, how did these monsters go out? It's 336 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: even harder to humanize them than it is the Suicide Squad. 337 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 2: So I think we're definitely going to see that duality. 338 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, very exciting. And then before you know, it's 339 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: gonna be twenty twenty five and if things go well, 340 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: it could be the year of DC. 341 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: That's right, fun tie in for how this and this 342 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: shows you the attention to detail that James Gunn is 343 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: applying to his DCEU. Is this Creature Commandos is coming 344 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: in the wake of Peacemaker and the wake of Suicide Squad, 345 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: and after all the tremendous loss of life among the 346 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: agents that she has put in the field. She's restricted 347 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: from using human agents, so that's why she has turned 348 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: to monsters, right operations. 349 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: It makes so much sense after Suicide Squad too, But yeah, 350 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: I mean going from that, that's going to be this brutal, 351 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 2: adult violent project and then next year we're going to 352 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 2: get Superman, which obviously I'm assuming is going to be 353 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 2: a totally different vibe this summer. 354 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: July eleventh, twenty twenty five. This is the big one, 355 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: the live action Superman from the DCEU. David corn Sweat 356 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: as Clark Kent Slash Superman, Rachel Brosnahan as Lois Lane. 357 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see this and to see how 358 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: I think it's smart that they're launching Superman first to 359 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: set the tone for this era. Of course, we're gonna 360 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: get Crypto in there. I'm fascinated because I think much 361 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: has been said about how difficult it is to make 362 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: a compelling Superman, but I believe that James Gunn could 363 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: do it, So I can't wait to see what happens here. 364 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very interested in it too, because there is 365 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: so many characters who have been cast for this. You're 366 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 2: talking about Isabelle mccartt as hallgir Eddie gatheggis Mister Terrific, 367 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: Nathan philly And as Guy Gardner, Anthony Kerrigan as Metamorpho. 368 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 2: We're definitely going to get a Crypto. James Gunn did 369 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: an emotional post about how his own dog that he 370 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 2: adopted inspired Crypto. I think this could be a huge 371 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: launch pad and I'm very interested to see the kind 372 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: of story they're going to tell with so many characters, 373 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting. Does Superman already exist? We've 374 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: also had rumors this is where the authority will appear. 375 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: It's also very interesting because the next movie that is 376 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: due out after this in twenty twenty six is Supergirl 377 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: Woman of Tomorrow, which is not family friendly, not hopeful, 378 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: and this completely bleak western Shoka, which is gonna start 379 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 2: Milly Alcock, our fave from House of the Dragon. She's 380 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: gonna be Supergirl. It's gonna have Craig Gillespie directing, Anna 381 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 2: Nagera writing this screenplay, and it's adapting the Tom King 382 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 2: Bill Quiss Everly limited series that is set in the 383 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: Deep Cosmos and sees Supergirl, a drunken, depressed Supergirl go 384 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: on a true Grit style adventure with a young girl 385 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 2: who wants to get vengeance for her father's death. So 386 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: I think it's interesting that you're getting Superman and Supergirl, 387 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: but already they're gonna be in these very different spaces 388 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: and tones. I'm interested to see if they can balance that. 389 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: That's right, And now we go into the movies that 390 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: are farther aware. Are they gonna have the are they 391 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: gonna happen? Movies? First up, the Authority, the hyper violent, 392 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: morally complex team. 393 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: Even complex due to who they were created by. Now 394 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: I'm it's tough. 395 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: It's very much great of my word, Elis, with the 396 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: amazing art of Brian Hitch, apparently will connect to Superman somehow. 397 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: As you noted, I wonder if I mean for lawsuit purposes. 398 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: This can't happen, but there was that fake Evil Avengers 399 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: parody team in the Authority during the another complex air 400 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: quotes Complex person Mark Run of Mark Malaura on the 401 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: title that can't happen, but it would be really funny 402 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: if it wasn't there anyway? Tell us about the Authority. 403 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think this is another really interesting swing. 404 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: It's very likely that this would be more of a 405 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 2: bleak serious The Boys esque story. Yes, but they are 406 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: apparently rumor has it gonna appear in Superman. So maybe 407 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: there's a world it's more grounded. Maybe we're living in 408 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: a world where Superman is already trying to retire even 409 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 2: though he's young, because he loves Lewis Lane. And then 410 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: the Authority arrive. I know it's going to be very interesting. 411 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: I'm also interested because after that, some of the other 412 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: ones they've mentioned are like The Brave and the Bold, 413 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: which again would be kind of a Damian Wayne Robin, 414 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: but it wouldn't be connected to Matt Reeves version of Batman. 415 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 2: Speaking of which, I'm going to bring up a movie 416 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: that has been unconfirmed as part of the gun Averse, 417 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 2: but we've seen both James Gunn and Matt Reeves talk 418 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: about a lot recently, which I'm very excited about, Dynamic Duo. 419 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: It's a Matt Reeves DC animated movie. It's going to 420 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: be a Dick Grayson and Jason Todd as Robin's movie. 421 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: You have to see go online, guys and google the 422 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: videos of this because the puppet tree that they are 423 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: using is so unbelievable that it looks like CG It's 424 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: They're using these stop motion puppets where they've created a 425 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 2: new way to move their faces and it is some 426 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 2: of the most uncanny stuff I've ever seen. Sway Box 427 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: is the animation team behind it, and it's going to 428 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: be Arthur Mints and Teresa Anderson who are going to 429 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: direct the movie. I think this is very interesting because 430 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: it's not connected to the Matt Reeves Batman stuff, but 431 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: it is to do with Matt Reeves. But we've also 432 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: seen James gun sharing it, so I think we could 433 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: start to see a bit more collaboration and crossover between 434 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: these seemingly disconnected universes. So that looks unbelievable and very 435 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: excited for that Swamp Thing obviously, I want that to happen. 436 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: That feels to me like the least likely to go 437 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: into production right now, not for any other reason than 438 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: just it's so hard to bring it to life. 439 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: I feel like the Authority is the least likely because 440 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: of what's in it and because there's literally no one attached. 441 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: At least with Swamp Thing. You've got James Mangold attached, 442 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: that's true, and he's got some juice obviously with Wolverine 443 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: and Logan and three Tending my other movies he's made, 444 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: and it has a voice that really fits well. 445 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 2: With Swamp Thing. You could definitely see the visuals. 446 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: With Swamp Thing. But I feel like if there's one 447 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: of these that at least won't happen in this cycle, 448 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: it'll be the Authority. I feel like that's the one that. 449 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 2: Makes sense, especially as well if they do end up 450 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 2: introducing the Authority within Superman, there's a fair chance that 451 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: they might not need their own movie because we do 452 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: have some members of the authority who've already been cast, 453 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: like the actress who played Ratcatcher two in Suicide Squad 454 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: is the engineer. So it's interesting, but we'll see what happens. 455 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: Television show wise, Peace make a season two definitely happening. 456 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: Excited, Yeah, show runner James Gunn, continuing. 457 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 2: The huge success for them with the first season. 458 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: Yes, right, and a really interesting tone too that I think, 459 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: Yes is unlike anything else that's out there in the 460 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 1: superhero realm, really fun. Peacemaker is this heightened conservative with 461 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: a heart, and it'll be very interesting to see the 462 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: tie ins through the various properties as this version of 463 00:24:59,160 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: the DCE Star. 464 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 2: That's what's going to be most interesting as we see 465 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five explodes. I agree, and we know that, 466 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 2: as we talked about recently, Marvel is coming in with 467 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 2: a stack year, so this could really be a big 468 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: interesting space a show that's definitely happening. That they've done 469 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 2: a lot of casting on Lanterns. Who Kyle Chandler is, 470 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: how Jordan Aaron Pierre Is, John Stewart, Tom King is 471 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: actually working on this movie with Damon Lindelof and Chris Mundy. 472 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: Chris Mandy's going to be the showrunner. Very interesting. They're 473 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: saying it's going to be a mystery on Earth, very grounded, 474 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: but it will set up a big part of what 475 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: we're going into going forward. Jason, your pitch, now, what 476 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: do you think could be an Earth based mystery that 477 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: would set out a huge story that they could follow Fanos' 478 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: style throughout this spread out DCU. 479 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a good one. I do wonder if 480 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: it's something dark Side related. 481 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: That feels like the most obvious answer. 482 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: Some sort of centric cult that he's like created. Oh, 483 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: I like that on Earth. 484 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: That would be very true detective too, and. 485 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: That has caused chaos somewhere in some far flung corner 486 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: of space that then the Lantern Core has to then 487 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: go follow a thread to investigate here on Earth. 488 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my pitch. I think that would be really cool. 489 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: I am interested to see where they go with that one. 490 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 2: We know that. Nathan Phillia, do you have a pitch do? 491 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: What is your theory? 492 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 2: No? I think you're right. I think something to do 493 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 2: with dark Side, some kind of occultist muders. Maybe there 494 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: could even be something where they could bring in a 495 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 2: Motherbox or something. But I definitely think you're on the 496 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: right track. I also know that this is gonna be 497 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 2: where we see Nathan Phillian come over as Guy Gardner 498 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: from Superman, so I think that will be interesting. I 499 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: love Guy Garder. 500 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: I think that's Do you think he survives Superman? 501 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: I think he survived Superman because they're making a lantern show. 502 00:26:54,320 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 2: He seems very killable and James enjoy kill I do 503 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: think knowing James Gunn's tastes, knowing his vibes, knowing the 504 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: things he enjoys, I'm sure, like me, he is a 505 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: Guy Gardner enjoyer. Okay, other shows that we don't really 506 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: know much about Waller. We know that that's gonna be 507 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: a spin off with Viola Davis. Love that she deserves it. 508 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 2: I hope she gets some emmys. I'm sure it'll be 509 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 2: very interesting. Paradise Lost interesting. That's gonna be kind of 510 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: your Femiscerra before Wonder Woman's story. 511 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: Which are politics of Semiscira. 512 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 2: That could be a Game of Thrones level show if 513 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 2: they do it right, then interestingly, a Booster Gold series. 514 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: I love Booster Gold, and I hope to me, I 515 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: hope it connects to the untitled Blue Beetle animated series 516 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: that we're supposed to get, because obviously those two they're 517 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 2: great team together. I would love to see that. And 518 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: then we have stuff like The Batman Batman too. We 519 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 2: know it's coming out, It's gonna come out October twenty 520 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: twenty six, but that is an else World's movie. 521 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 4: Ye how now We've talked about this a lot, but 522 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 4: I have. 523 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: This is a big question. 524 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: This is the big question. With the Penguin being as 525 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: good as it is, taking us to a level of 526 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: immersiveness and detail with a focus on these villains from Gotham, 527 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, the success of that, how can this remain 528 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: else world If if the Batman two continues the run 529 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: of quality, and let's put success to the side. If 530 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: it continues to be as good and a Penguin season 531 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: two is as good and other properties that happen are 532 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: as good, can it remain separate? 533 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: You know what? Something I think that James Gunn has 534 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: proven throughout his walk, whether it's in the MCU or 535 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: whether it's just been as the Helma of this DCU 536 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: so far, he has been very canny and keen to 537 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: showcase his knowledge for comics, right, and he shares the 538 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: comic book artwork, and then he says, Oh, this is 539 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: going to be an influence, and then the book sells 540 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: out like we had with the incredible you know all 541 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 2: Star Superman by Frank Morrison, Grant Morrison and Frank Quietly 542 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: or Bill kus Everly and Tom King's Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow. 543 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: I think naming it Elseworld is actually very clever because 544 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: not only does any DC fan immediately know what that means. 545 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: Essentially it's an out of continuity story, but throughout history, 546 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: those out of continuity stories have been brought into continuity, 547 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: So I do think that that connotation is there. You know, 548 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: whether it's the Killing Joke or whether it's the Dark 549 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 2: Knight returns, lots of things have been brought into real 550 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: continuity from Elseworld. I feel like if the Penguin does 551 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: an Emmy sweep, which I think is very likely, and 552 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: then the Batman two comes out, it also makes eight 553 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: hundred million dollars and continues this fantastic exploration, I think 554 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: it would be tempting to do those crossovers. But if 555 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: they managed to make this DCU Gods and Monsters first 556 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 2: phase a huge success in its own right, then it 557 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 2: will be very interesting to see if the James Gun 558 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: Peter saffran Cohort can convince the execs to keep them separate. 559 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Gods and Monsters in a second, but 560 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: I just wanted to note one interesting detail in this 561 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: is no casting of Batman yet exactly. 562 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: I think that's a huge I. 563 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: Think there is a conversation that is happening, and I 564 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: think if the Batman two comes out critically acclaimed, building 565 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: on the momentum of the Penguin in the first movie 566 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: and makes a lot of money, I think there's a 567 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: world in which they bring that version of the Batman 568 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: to the DCU. 569 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: Especially because I do think when I first watched The Batman, 570 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: which I loved, I remember being like, you know what, 571 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: be so amazing if his Superman is somebody who has 572 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: just as much vision and style, but for a totally 573 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 2: Superman centric story, so a happy story, a loving story, 574 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: and then you have to see those two worlds collide. 575 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: I think that is so interesting and we've never truly 576 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: gotten to see that. 577 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: Okay, here's my pitch. In the Gunnerverse, Batman is Ben Affleck. 578 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: He's fucking old, but somehow the portal opens, the streams 579 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: cross and they are able to get the Batman, Robert 580 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: Pattinson version of Batman get him to this the James Gunnerverse, 581 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: and Ben Affleck takes a look at him and says, 582 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm too old to do this. Now you're perfect. You're 583 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: the young guys perfect. This is the new world for you. 584 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: I understand that. But maybe you can be the Batman here. Yeah, 585 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, bad pitch, but a very clunky way to 586 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: do it. But I think that's the way they could 587 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: do it. 588 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: That's honestly. Nowadays portal things like that. I could see 589 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: Matt Reeves he's managed to ground the wildest stuff, and 590 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: I could see a way where he could do it. Also, 591 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 2: there's so much potential here. That's what's really exciting. I mean, 592 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 2: Aaron raised this great point, which I want to ask you. 593 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: So at first they were like every video game will 594 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: be connected. Obviously that didn't happen, and now they're like, well, 595 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: some of them will be connected and used in a way, 596 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 2: and the movies will be connected, but you'll be able 597 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: to enjoy every single one, as Aaron posed it in 598 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: the notes. Does that ever really work? Is there a world, 599 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,959 Speaker 2: Jason where you can have something that is interconnected but 600 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: still have people just randomly dip in and out for 601 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 2: what they're interested in. 602 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: Yes, I think it can work, but I think it's tough. Yeah, 603 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: but I think that there has to be a. 604 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: Core that's the success of the original MCU. I guess 605 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 2: like the first couple of phases. 606 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: I agree. You mentioned Guys and Monsters tell us about 607 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: that new paradigm in DC comics. 608 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: This is basically something that we If you're a DC fan, 609 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: you will have recognized this as there was a really 610 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 2: fantastic Gods and Monsters comic book, and there was also 611 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: a fantastic Gods and Monsters Justice League movie in twenty 612 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: fifteen from the very beloved DC Animated Universe. It's an 613 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 2: ultimate universe vibe where there's a different universe of the 614 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: Justice League and you have different Wonder Woman, Batman, Superman. 615 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 2: It's really really interesting, and I think it's very telling 616 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: that James Gunn used that phrase to describe this ten 617 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: year DCU plan. So I just would say, I think 618 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: we can just expect as always with James Gunn, some surprises, 619 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: some choices that may make us go, oh wait, that's 620 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: the character you're picking. And then obviously, like he did 621 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 2: with Guardians of the Galaxy, he made a team that 622 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: most people had never heard of into a billion dollar 623 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 2: success story. So I'm very interested in that. I think 624 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: it covers the notion of doing your trinity like Wonder Woman, 625 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 2: Superman no Batman, as we mentioned, but also doing swamp 626 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 2: thing or creature commandos. So I think it's very tight, 627 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: very clever idea. So obviously none of this has happened. Yeah, 628 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: we're going into twenty twenty five and it's about to happen. 629 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 2: But I think the interesting thing is we're kind of 630 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: already also asking like what's next. What does this set up? 631 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 2: What does the first ear set up? Will they inevitably 632 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 2: be going for a crisis, is that what they want 633 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: to do? Or are we multiversed out? Is this just 634 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 2: establishing an incredible blockbuster space where all these different stories 635 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: can happen. I'm very interested because it seems like they're 636 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 2: doing backwards version of what the MCU did, where instead 637 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: they're introducing all the characters in the first movie and 638 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: then spreading out from there, which we have not seen 639 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 2: work yet. But I do have trust in James Gunn. 640 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because I think if you 641 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: take your audience to a place where the stories naturally 642 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: grow into this multiverse thing and everybody understands it, that's 643 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: one thing. But I also think for a general audience 644 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: of the size that gun is going for, there are 645 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: going to be people like who are confused, right, just wait, 646 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: the Batman didn't happen here, or the Joker's not part 647 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: of it. How much work do you think that's going 648 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: to be to get people Because obviously hardcore comics people, 649 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: nerd people, DC fans understand this inherently. Yeah, But like 650 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: for that lighter audience, how much messaging do you think 651 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: is going to be around getting people up to speed 652 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 1: about what's part of it, what's not part of it. 653 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 2: I think it is a lot of work. But interestingly, 654 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 2: just the way that James Gunn has put himself out 655 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 2: there on the Internet I think is a great watermark 656 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 2: for what they can do. He has been very eager 657 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 2: to respond to rumors. If somebody says, hey, is this 658 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: casting true, he'll say yes or he'll say no. I 659 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 2: think if they had him on seth Meyer's famous comic 660 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: book lover and late night show hosts. I think him 661 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 2: going on there and having these conversations in a really 662 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 2: chill way, I think the news would disseminate enough that 663 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 2: most people would understand. I think a lot about Casino Royale, 664 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 2: the James Bond movie. I went to see that with 665 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 2: my mum, who loved the Pierce brosn and James Bond, 666 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 2: She loved Sean Connery James Bond, and she was legit 667 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 2: truly horrified by that movie. She did not comprehend why 668 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 2: it was so brutal, but by the end of it 669 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 2: she was kind of like, Oh, I get it, he's 670 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: just a different James Bond. 671 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. 672 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 2: And you know what. I think that throughout his and 673 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 2: throughout Hollywood history, there has been enough of that cultural 674 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 2: conversation that even if they don't see him on late 675 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 2: night or they don't read an article about it, they'll 676 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 2: probably just be like, Oh, I get it, it's another Batman, 677 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 2: like there was another Michael Keaton Batman, or there was 678 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 2: another this. I do think that currently there's been so 679 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 2: much DC stuff, especially with this penguin stuff that's working 680 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 2: so well. In the Batman Epic Crime Universe as they're 681 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 2: calling it, and then the failure of Joker Folioda. But 682 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 2: that being such a huge known property, I do think 683 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,959 Speaker 2: there is gonna be a little confusion. But I think 684 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 2: another smart thing is we've got eight months now till 685 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 2: Superman comes out, and I'm sure James Gunn is going 686 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: to be very present in the pop culture space having 687 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 2: those conversations, and we'll get to know more as trailers 688 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,919 Speaker 2: come out, or we see comic con announcements, or if 689 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 2: DC decides they want to go back to a DC 690 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 2: fandom model and start doing their own D twenty three announcements. 691 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: I think the. 692 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 2: Rollout is what's going to be really interesting and tell 693 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: us a lot, because also there's so much potential here. 694 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 2: There was going to be the Black Superman film that 695 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 2: Tana he See Coats was going to do with JJ Abrams. 696 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 2: There was going to be a Constantine sequel with Keanu 697 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 2: Reeves in This Elseworld Life, hoping that happens. Also animated 698 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 2: film based off the incredible comic The Jurassic League, which 699 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 2: was where all the Justice League were dinosaurs. It's so 700 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 2: much fun. The art is just so dynamic, It's a 701 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 2: joyful read, and I love that Gun's taste is so 702 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: much more unconventional, and they seem a lot less afraid 703 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 2: of taking wild swings, whereas the success of the MCU 704 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,919 Speaker 2: was based on not safe bets because the characters weren't 705 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 2: safe bets, but putting them in the hands of someone 706 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 2: like Jon Favreau and saying, make this grounded, make this believable. 707 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,439 Speaker 2: With Iron Man, I would like to see James Gung 708 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 2: go the opposite direction and make things unbelievable, make superheroes 709 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 2: we can imagine we would want to come and save 710 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 2: our world, not having those conversations like who fills up 711 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 2: Batman's time? You know, those kind of things. 712 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: Lean into the dcness. 713 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 2: Feel the gods, the monsters. I'm very excited about it. Also, Okay, 714 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 2: so post Penguin, just quickly, how would you like to 715 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 2: see the Penguin play into the Batman too? Because we're 716 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,720 Speaker 2: going to have a couple of years, but I feel 717 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 2: like that's going to be a big talking point for 718 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,479 Speaker 2: a lot of people who watch this show. How would 719 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 2: you like to see that show transition into the wider 720 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 2: world of Matt Reeves DC. 721 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: As like a big bad who Batman can't take on 722 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: in one movie, I think he's going to be an 723 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: overarching villain who goes after Batman as Batman starts to 724 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: eat into his profits from his various businesses make things 725 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: unstable for him. I think he goes after him with 726 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: this stable of weirdo criminals that Gotham seems so full of. 727 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: I think he sets those people loose and has them 728 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: try and take on the Batman. Meanwhile, he'll be using 729 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: the halls of power again legal means to try and 730 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: unmask this who the fuck is this guy? Who is 731 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: this guy? Who could he be? Again? Batman can't just 732 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: walk into city Hall and punch a guy in the face. 733 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: It's gonna be very, very difficult for him, as much 734 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: as we wish. As much as we wish, I think 735 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a type of story where we see 736 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: Batman as Bruce Wayne having to try and make moves 737 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: to try and take on a guy like this because, 738 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: in a weird way, the Joker's easy because he's just 739 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: a fucking wacko who nobody likes. But if Oz has 740 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: the weight of the city behind him, it's gonna be hard, 741 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 1: and so I'm really eager to see how Batman could 742 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: take on that kind of criminal, who again is not 743 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: going to be able to be touched with batter rings. 744 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: You can't just like drive your car through the side 745 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: of the city hall and grab him by the nape 746 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: of the neck. You're gonna have to do other things. 747 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna have societal protection in a way to 748 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 2: the Batman villain the Stone. I love that. I also 749 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 2: just want to shout out, I know our super produce 750 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 2: a comment has been talking about this for a long time. 751 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 2: The finale does seem like it could potentially sy up 752 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 2: a version of Jeff Lobe and Tim Sales Catwoman when 753 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 2: in Rome, where we would seek Selena and maybe she 754 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 2: helps Sophia get out. Maybe the pair of them try 755 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 2: and untangle this relationship. Maybe they become foes, maybe they 756 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 2: become friends. I think that could be a fantastic in 757 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 2: between series that could link together what we see in 758 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 2: The Batman two and what we saw in The Penguin. 759 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 2: I would be very excited to see that. 760 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: I think Selena knows the truth of who the Hangman is, 761 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: whether she has personal experience with Sophia's dad. 762 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 2: Or oh yeah, because obviously Carmine choked her out like 763 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 2: we saw him do that, so she knows. 764 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 1: She knows, and he killed her mom. That's right, So 765 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,439 Speaker 1: she knows. And I think you're absolutely right. A team 766 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: up with them is going to be very very interesting. 767 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 2: Because Selena may want to say, well, my sister didn't 768 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 2: do this, she's not the hangman, but she doesn't necessarily 769 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 2: know the kind of person that Sophia truly is that 770 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 2: we have seen, So that could be a very spicy 771 00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 2: and fun exploration. 772 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: I agree, And who goes which way? Right? Like, exactly 773 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: does this make Selena more extreme or does this mellow Sophia? Unclear? 774 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 2: I would love to see that. 775 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: I would really really love to see that. Okay. Next 776 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: week on Xtra Vision, getting you ready for Ridley Scott's 777 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: Gladiator two, it's Swords in Sandals week. We're going back 778 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: to two thousand and first for a rewatch of Ridley 779 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: Scott's Gladiator, then Tuesday recap of Arcane season two, Act two, 780 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: and Wednesday we'll be taking a detour to another Sandy 781 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: property for Dune Prophecy on Max episode one, and then Thursday, 782 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: we're recovering some of our favorite Sword and Sandals movies Excalibur, 783 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: movies of that nature. What else you know. 784 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of a Swords and sorcery, a 785 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 2: hemat oh something like that. I'm a big fan of 786 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 2: a little tech no barbarian legend. Yeah, now we're talking, and. 787 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: Then Friday, of course the main course Gladiator too. That's 788 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: it for this episode. Thanks for listening. Bye x ray 789 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: Vision is hosted by Jason Kenseepsion and Rosie Knight and 790 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are 791 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a 792 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor. 793 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Basquez. 794 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman 795 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 2: and Heidi Our discoord Moderata