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Speaker 1: Podcast on the iHeartRadio app on from one till four

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Speaker 1: after four o'clock, John Cobelt showing demand the podcast. You

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Speaker 1: could hear what you missed. So today we're celebrating OJ

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Speaker 1: Simpson's death, hopefully a painful death from a prostate cancer.

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Speaker 1: It was reported early this morning, and we have been

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Speaker 1: reminiscing telling stories from the days when we covered OJ obsessively, compulsively,

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Speaker 1: and it's the one thing that we could ken back

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Speaker 1: on the radio. Somebody had to die, so let's get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at least it wasn't me. Yeah, guide, you broke

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Speaker 2: the news to me at seven point fifty one and

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Speaker 2: looked at my phone. OJ dead, so immediately scrambled for

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Speaker 2: the info. It took me a while to find out

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Speaker 2: it was prostate cancer. I think we're both looking for

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Speaker 2: a long and painful death, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if prostate cancer leads to that. I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm not real familiar with it. I'm hoping to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, prostate cancer metastasizes to other parts of your body.

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Speaker 2: That's what it's curtains. So that may have been what happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he could have he could have really been

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Speaker 1: racked with pain.

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Speaker 2: He could have been I mean, they're probably given drugs

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Speaker 2: to make him feel nothing, but we hope. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could hear him suffer. I wish I

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Speaker 1: could hear him lying.

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Speaker 2: Then were standing around him, right you know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we would have broadcast that live.

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Speaker 2: Did you get champagne? Anything to toast or.

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Speaker 1: The Gary Sannon of course had had a lot of

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Speaker 1: I started drinking too early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's kind of our our tradition, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know, bad news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I might have. I might have one later because

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Speaker 1: this was a long time waiting. What what? What is

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Speaker 1: the first thing you remember about all the coverage we did?

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Speaker 2: Uh, well, certainly the Chase being on the air that night.

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Speaker 2: That was just really crazy. And I remember our great

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Speaker 2: traffic reporter Mark Dennis coming on and giving the updates

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Speaker 2: and everything that was going on, and we're looking at

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Speaker 2: the TV and it was so intense. I mean that,

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Speaker 2: when they announced the verdicts. I just remember you screaming no, no.

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Speaker 2: You probably replayed the no I haven't played that part yet.

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Speaker 1: No, we've played some of the chase before.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I was in physical pain. I was in physical pain

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Speaker 1: for months after that.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. And then I remember, because these are

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Speaker 2: were faxing the station with their outreage some facts we see.

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Speaker 2: All the paper was falling on the floor and all

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Speaker 1: I think I still have that hundreds and hundreds of faxes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, exactly. I just remember Stella in the back office.

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Speaker 2: He used to handle the facts that checked does.

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Speaker 1: This, baby, I can't do it.

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Speaker 2: There's anymore. There's so much paper all over the floor.

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Speaker 2: And then of course, obviously the phones too lit up.

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Speaker 1: But my memories, we took three weeks worth of calls,

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Speaker 1: And at that point it was so long, I didn't

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Speaker 2: but I knew that he sees it. It was in his seventies.

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Speaker 4: Worl hospice hoste about hospice. No, I'm not in any hospital.

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Speaker 4: Vegas all as well, you know. So, Hey, guys, take

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Speaker 4: world is me yours truly?

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Speaker 5: Boy, what a beautiful day it is here in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Even though the game is indoors, it wouldn't matter, but

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Speaker 3: let me take a moment say thank you to all

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Speaker 3: the people who reached out to me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I'm dealing with some issues, but hey,

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Speaker 3: But it was very nice hearing from you and here

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Speaker 1: I guess he was just about over.

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Speaker 2: It, a liar right to the end. And I still

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Speaker 1: There was a story in the Post today that OJ

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's where Chloe came from.

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Speaker 2: I know we still have the curse of the Kardashians.

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Speaker 1: Had a brain tumor, and Flee Bailey died, and Kardashian died.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know there was some retribution about now

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Speaker 1: Yeah he lost his election.

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Speaker 2: Oh he did lose. I was trying to find the info,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he lost. I didn't know if he was

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Speaker 2: Well, you woner too, with thirty years and what younger

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Speaker 1: I think it's what would the trial be if it

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Speaker 2: Well, you would think because the DNA is so much

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Somebody on one of the social media sites reminded

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Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't think it could possibly be him,

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Speaker 1: If you're just tuning in, you miss Kenny was on

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Speaker 1: last segment, so iHeart app after four o'clock and you

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Speaker 1: You're talking about OJ being dead, and one of the

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Speaker 1: Simpson once bragged about a sexual encounter with Chris Jenner.

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Speaker 1: Do you know if they ever crossed halfs?

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Speaker 1: I'll just leave it there, Boy, nothing about Ron Goldman

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Speaker 7: The killer made the comment about living a conflict free life.

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Speaker 8: What has this whole experience done to your feelings about

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Speaker 7: The only thing that it has done is reaffirm that

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Speaker 7: Well, we'll do the same thing we did for all

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Speaker 1: Forty We are celebrating the death of OJ. Yes, OJ Finally.

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Speaker 1: in and do not kill yourself, do not hurt anyone,

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Speaker 1: because this is just very sad. Very people cheering makes

436
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Speaker 1: it sadder. Now making a left turn onto some set

437
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Speaker 1: and people people in the street waving, jumping in front

438
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Speaker 1: of moving cars to wave at him as he's going by.

439
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Speaker 1: If he's going back to his Brentwood house and there's

440
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Speaker 1: a bunch of people in there, do you let him

441
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Speaker 1: in there? Do you risk him taking hostages? He's passing

442
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: some tellodence, right, towards the media horde, and they pulled

443
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Speaker 1: into his driveway apparently, And now what happens. Somebody has

444
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: walked over to the driver door. Oh well, there seems

445
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Speaker 1: to be an altercation between a guy who walks shot

446
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Speaker 1: the door. Two cops have showed up at the scene.

447
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 1: Nobody has come out of the car with the lights flashing.

448
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: There's no logic, there's no reason, there's no rationality. Please

449
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: nobody tell me that this American jury system is something

450
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Speaker 1: to be proud of. This is disgusting.

451
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Speaker 4: What has gone?

452
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Speaker 1: Man got away with double murder.

453
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Speaker 2: The Kim Goldman's crying is gonna haunt me for a

454
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Speaker 2: long time.

455
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Speaker 1: I could hear that crying, sobbing, she's sobbing, and there's freaks,

456
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Speaker 1: I guess outside clearing and pointing at the lapd well.

457
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Speaker 1: Somebody killed those two people? Who was it there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

459
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Speaker 1: So who is the murderer? Show us the evidence in

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Speaker 1: the trail to the real murderers?

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Speaker 3: Please?

462
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Speaker 1: Somebody else with OJ's DNA, with OJ's genetic imprint killed

463
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Speaker 1: Ron and Nicole. Somebody I can see through the window

464
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Speaker 1: of the stairway. OJ and his people are walking downstairs

465
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Speaker 1: the second floor where the courtroom. Here's oj here he

466
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Speaker 1: is murder, liar murderer, liar murderer. This is so good,

467
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Speaker 1: this is so cool. Let oh, I feel great. He's

468
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Speaker 1: getting inside these dark window with dark lender. Oh man,

469
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: oh that felt good. Well, I'm sure he heard you,

470
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Speaker 1: and I bet it really heard him to hear you

471
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Speaker 1: say that and that That was the civil trial in

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Speaker 1: Santa Monica when he was coming out and he thought

473
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Speaker 1: we'd scream at him, and it was. It was very

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Speaker 1: cathartic at the time. We lived at that story for

475
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Speaker 1: three years, from June of ninety four when the killings happened,

476
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Speaker 1: till February of nineteen ninety seven when the civil trial

477
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Speaker 1: verdict came through. What I remember remember from the civil

478
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Speaker 1: trial verdict was that you know this this stuff wasn't

479
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Speaker 1: wasn't televised. So we had a reporter at the time,

480
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Speaker 1: Michael Clark, and he was standing outside the window of

481
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Speaker 1: the jewelry room and somebody else was holding up placards

482
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Speaker 1: to explain what was going on. And we thought, now

483
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Speaker 1: there were there were lettered placards, you know, it would

484
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Speaker 1: have alphabet letters and for example, we were expecting, you know,

485
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Speaker 1: a guilty or not guilty. I guess guilty or innocent,

486
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Speaker 1: but it's a civil trial, so it would be liable

487
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Speaker 1: or not liable. We were trying to figure out what

488
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Speaker 1: would the code be on the placards an L for liable. Well,

489
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Speaker 1: they start holding up a J and we're completely baffled.

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Speaker 1: It's like a J. What's a J? What kind of

491
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Speaker 1: a verdict would a JB? Well, whoever was holding the placard,

492
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Speaker 1: it was just telling us that the judge just entered

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Speaker 1: the room, or a B for the bailiff, and so

494
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Speaker 1: all these letters were being held up and we had

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Speaker 1: no idea what was going on. At that point, the

496
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Speaker 1: whole story had just become a farce. Everything had become

497
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Speaker 1: ridiculously comical, and there were a lot of points like that.

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Speaker 1: Here's what we got some time here. Now let's take

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Speaker 1: a break. We got more coming up, and Steve Gregory

500
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Speaker 1: would be up after three o'clock to talk about the

501
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: other OJ trial, actually the third OJ trial that happened

502
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: in the two thousands, when he tried to steal his

503
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Speaker 1: own memorabilia back at a Las Vegas hotel and ended

504
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: up going to prison for nine years. Got less that judge,

505
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: what's your name again, Jackie Glass. Jackie Glass, I should say,

506
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: got to remember her name. She was a great woman.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobel on Demand from KFI Am sixty.

508
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: Celebrating OJ Simpson's demise, hopefully a painful demise from prostate cancer.

509
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: And I was vaguely aware that he had something, but

510
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: nobody was covering him much anymore. And it was a

511
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: pleasant surprise when we woke up this morning and somebody

512
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: texted me and said he's dead, and it's like, all right,

513
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: all right, it's gonna be a good day. We're actually

514
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: looking back on all the coverage we did. We've been

515
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: playing a lot of clips. Ken was on with us

516
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: earlier in the hour, so you could get all that

517
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app the John and Kenn on demand podcast.

518
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: Going through some old articles in the La Times. They

519
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: had a story the day after the verdict about the

520
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: talk radio reaction. Uh, there used to be a number

521
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: of talk radio stations in town. Most of them have

522
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: withered away or died. We're mentioned. It says KFI host

523
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: John Cobelt and Ken Champeau were in a fury, and

524
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: it quotes me and Ken and a thing I had forgotten.

525
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: They also summarized kato' Kalin's show, and I'd forgotten that kato' kalin.

526
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: Who was that that?

527
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 4: What was he?

528
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: A pool boy for oj He was a house guest,

529
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: all right. He lived in the guest house, and he

530
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: was that good looking surfer dude character who was entertaining

531
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: on the witness stand because he was such a dope. Well,

532
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: one of our competitors, Station Conway, used to work at

533
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: put Kato on opposite us in the afternoon, trying to

534
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: steal some of our our audience, our oj obsessed audience.

535
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, we got we got Ojay's, we got

536
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: Ojay's house guest. Well, as The Times writes, it was

537
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: a letdown. They had been promoting Cato's broadcast as a

538
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: worldwide exclusive because he was finally out from under the

539
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: gag order not to say anything about the case. But

540
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: when he went on the radio, he says, I do

541
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: not have an opinion, and callers were pushing him, and

542
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: he said, truthfully, he did not have an opinion. I

543
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: wish I could know what happened. My mind is just

544
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: a blank. It's not a good day to be me.

545
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: So there you go. That was that didn't work out

546
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: if you're going to have a competitor to us, and

547
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: at the end of the OJ trial, the guy should

548
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: have an opinion, even if he was the house guest. Also,

549
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I remember they put Gloria already on up against us

550
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: at another station. Gloria Alwodd was representing the Nicole Brown

551
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: family and it really really was a frenzy trying to

552
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: get a piece of the OJ pie. But there was

553
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: one key decision we made early on, and it was

554
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: an honest decision. And this was a hard thing for

555
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: people at the time to grasp. It's like you just

556
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: say what's obvious in front of your eyes? And the

557
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: uh I was I was going through the LA times

558
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: about the evidence. Maybe we'll get into that next hour.

559
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: But once you, once you knew the basic evidence, it

560
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: was obvious, and so you just say, what's obvious? Ray

561
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Speaker 1: low PiZZ is here, Ray had.

562
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Speaker 2: Wow.

563
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Speaker 1: Where were you when you when all this happened? So

564
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Speaker 1: here's all right, stay with me, okay.

565
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Speaker 9: So I used to work when you guys were on

566
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Speaker 9: the air and OJ chase happened where I was. I

567
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 9: was working at another radio station. I was working at

568
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 9: the country station. It was ninety three point nine kz LA.

569
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 9: I remember Today's Hot New Country, And at that particular day,

570
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 9: we were doing what was called we did it every year.

571
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Speaker 1: It was called a Saint Jude Radiothon.

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Speaker 5: So what we.

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Speaker 9: Did was it was you know, it was a uh

574
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Speaker 9: like apostathon, okay on the radio. So we have listeners,

575
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Speaker 9: you know, call in. You know, that's how you did

576
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 9: it back then. You just called in. There's no website.

577
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Speaker 9: And we had people who called in and donated to

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Speaker 9: the same Jude that you know, the cancer kids, you know,

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Speaker 9: And it was a really good deal. And we had

580
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Speaker 9: a record number of people donating in the morning show.

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Speaker 9: It was like the Garobo and Murphy show, and and

582
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Speaker 9: and it was uh and people who people listen and

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Speaker 9: we have a lot of country listeners out there who

584
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Speaker 9: might remember these people. And we had artists come on.

585
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Speaker 9: We had like you know, they had the you know,

586
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Speaker 9: the Clint Black and and and and and Garth Brooks.

587
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Speaker 9: They all did like recordings.

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Speaker 3: You know.

589
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Speaker 1: Yeah, was a popular.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we we did very well until you know, white

591
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 9: people moved out of LA.

592
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Speaker 1: It started happening in the mid nineties.

593
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Speaker 9: So what happened was John and Ken started covering the

594
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Speaker 9: OJ thing and all of our phones and all of

595
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Speaker 9: our donatas and all of that just died, and nobody

596
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 9: was listening, or at least nobody was donating, because everybody

597
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 9: was listening to KFI. Everybody was listening to KFI. We

598
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 9: were listening to KFI. I can tell you that because

599
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 9: I was in the studio running the board, running with

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Speaker 9: what Eric does, and running the controls, running the commercials, running.

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Speaker 1: All the elements for the DJs.

602
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Speaker 9: And what happened was I was listening to John and

603
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 9: Ken in the studio while I was running the country

604
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 9: music station because I needed to know what the hell

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Speaker 9: was going on because we didn't have TVs in the

606
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Speaker 9: studio at the time, we didn't have all this other

607
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Speaker 9: streaming and all this other nonsense. We were listening to

608
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Speaker 9: John and Kenna find out what the hell was going on.

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00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 9: If we didn't have a TV, we were listening to

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Speaker 9: the radio. That's how it used to be.

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00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I once saw because these aren't particularly accurate,

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Speaker 1: but just for that period of the Verdict day, I

613
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Speaker 1: saw the rating that we had on Verdict Day, which

614
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Speaker 1: was astronomical. I don't think we've ever had any I

615
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: don't think any talk show ever had more listeners before

616
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Speaker 1: since than the day of Verdict or maybe the day

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Speaker 1: of the Bronco Chase.

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Speaker 9: But one thing was perfectly clear to me is that

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Speaker 9: I don't want to do a country music anymore.

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Speaker 1: Right right after that, you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: go where the action is.

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Speaker 9: Who wants to do country music when all the action

623
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Speaker 9: is on KFI?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, now that was That was a crazy time,

625
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Speaker 1: and I feel bad that we kind of screwed over

626
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: those Saint Jude's kids. I mean, what are you gonna do?

627
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Speaker 1: It's really competitive, you know, chaos.

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Speaker 5: Chaos wins all the time.

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Speaker 1: I got to put on a better fundraiser, right, all right,

630
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Speaker 1: Ray Lopez, there our producer. We come back. Steve Gregory.

631
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Speaker 1: He's got an interesting angle to the OJ saga. There

632
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Speaker 1: was a third trial, remember in Las Vegas, OJ stealing

633
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: his own memorabilia and ending up in prison for nine years,

634
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: which is the irony of all ironies. He kills two people,

635
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Speaker 1: didn't get a he didn't get a day for a

636
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: prison sentence for double murder, but you got nine years

637
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: for stealing his own stuff back. And Steve will go

638
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: through that that angle as well. And then you know what,

639
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: for those of you who weren't here early, I talked

640
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Speaker 1: a lot of the stories about the coverage of OJ

641
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: on Garyan Shannon Show twelve thirty and then on this

642
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: show at one o'clock, and I know people are constantly

643
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: turning over all the time. So I'll give you a

644
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: rundown of those stories on how our KFI coverage originated

645
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: that you may not know. You may have been listening

646
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: at the time, but you may not know what the

647
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: behind the scenes manipulations were, the decision making that went on.

648
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Speaker 1: We'll get into that after Steve. Steve is next, Actually,

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Speaker 1: Heather Brooker is next with KFI News Live in the

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Speaker 1: KFI twenty four hour Newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to

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Speaker 1: the John Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear the

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Speaker 1: show live on KFI Am six forty from one to

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Speaker 1: four pm every Monday through Friday, and of course anytime

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Speaker 1: on demand on the iHeartRadio app.