1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, It's been a little 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: while since we've heard from the head coach and even 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: longer from the general manager. The two have spoken. What 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: did they say? What does it mean moving forward? But 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: before we get into any of that contract extensions for quoting, 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: it's Cardinals Cover two, Episode five forty and it starts now. 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Easy 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com, Slash podcasts. Going for Hopkins one hand 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: to catch in a touchdown? DeAndre Hopkins. Here's Craig Griolou 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: and Mike Jarecki. All right, this one caught me off guard. 13 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: Was not anticipating disgust contract extensions for the general manager 14 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: and head coach, possibly discussing contract extensions do you or 15 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: don't you with the quarterback, but not the general manager 16 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: and head coach. But here we are on Wednesday, MJ 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: scouting combine going on in Indianapolis and the news is 18 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: happening here in Arizona. Steve Kim Cliff Kingsbury signed through 19 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven. Yeah, and you know, we got a 20 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: chance to listen to Steve Kime and Cliff Kingsbury. Yes, 21 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: we just talk about Cardinals Central and obviously the questions 22 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: about Kyler Murray and his future. And that's what I 23 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: thought we're gonna be talking about today now. You know, 24 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: Steve Kim, I want to say, he had a year 25 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: left on his contract and Cliff Kingsbury's on a four 26 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: year deal with team option for the fifth year. To me, 27 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: this is sending a message that they are committed with 28 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: this head coach and general manager. And I think it 29 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: also sends a message to Kyler Murray that you are 30 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: part of our future. Now we'll get into some of 31 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: the details there, but you know, in this day and age, 32 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, usually teams, you know, they'll give you three 33 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: or four year contracts. But this tells me that they 34 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: are committed to these two guys. And let's be honest, 35 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: when they hired Steve Wilkes, nobody was happy. They were 36 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: three and thirteen and they made progress. Now they still 37 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: got to get better. I mean, there's one thing to 38 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: continue your win total, which they've done now it's about 39 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: getting in the postseason and winning playoff game. So to me, 40 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: it's more about the commitment. And Michael Bidwell obviously has 41 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: a great relationship with both guys and he must have felt, 42 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: you know, this is the time to do it, and 43 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: so we'll just have to wait and see. But to me, 44 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: it's really about this upcoming season. We'll focus on the future. 45 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: This team has to get better. They got to get 46 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 1: better from the head coach. They got to get better 47 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: from the general manager, drafting and developing players from the 48 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: coaching staff. So again, there's no cloud hanging over this, 49 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: and I think that was the decision, say I believe 50 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: in these guys. Now they got to prove it, rewarded 51 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: for the performance over the last three seasons five wins 52 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: to eight wins to eleven wins, and then a commitment 53 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: to a foreseeable future as well to make sure that 54 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: not so much the eleven win mark, but hey, the playoffs, 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: that's the goal each and every year. You can't go 56 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: one and done. So it was a little bit of 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: a surprise here on Wednesday, But again you're talking about 58 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: a head coach that has won twenty four games over 59 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: three seasons and a general manager who as a GM 60 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: nine seasons just completed his ninth season and four of 61 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: those seasons ten win seasons. Yeah, and if you go 62 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: back to nineteen twenty to be the hired time, they 63 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: had six, again, it's good he got It's got to 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: get better. I mean, this is nice and all that. 65 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: And again Steve is his worst critic. He knows he 66 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: needs to do a better job in the draft, and 67 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: it's a crapshoot. I mean even even the New England 68 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: Patriots they don't. They're not raking, rolling dice and snake eye. 69 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: So but I think it allows him to And I 70 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: always thought when you're a general manager, like people said 71 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: they went all in, Well, the Rams went all in 72 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: and Buccaneers went on all in and it paid off 73 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: they won super Bowls. But if for a GM, you 74 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: have to look three two to three years down the 75 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: road because you just can't spend money like a drunken 76 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: sailor and then the next year you don't have any 77 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: money under the cap to go after free agent retain 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: your own players. The idea is to draft well, to 79 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: develop it and retail retain your own players. That's the idea. 80 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: Instead of you know, you look at some of the 81 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: first round picks. You know, obviously Humphreys was extended. You know, 82 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker has been extended. But you you want to 83 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: have your first, second, or third round picks. You want 84 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: to extend these guys when they get to that. Damn, 85 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: Buchanan didn't get it. A son Reddick didn't get it. 86 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: And that's the ideal of building the belly of your roster. 87 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: When you talk about come and Kingsbury. The quote from 88 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: owner Michael Bidwell, the leadership of both Steve and Cliff 89 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: and key factors and the teams turn around over the 90 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: past three seasons. We are all looking forward to continuing 91 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: that progress and recognize these two individuals will be a 92 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: big part of achieving our long term goals as an organization. 93 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: End quote. Again, the general manager and head coach signed 94 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: through twenty twenty seven. That alone, just that alone, is 95 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: a huge statement and a commitment to these two to 96 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: be the leaders if you will, the pillars, if you will. 97 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: As far as I believe, I have found a general 98 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: manager who I trust. I have found a head coach 99 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: who I trust to continue this progress. And again, it's 100 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: not so much the win total. I don't expect fourteen 101 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: wins this each year, going three wins better, No, it's 102 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: double digit wins, or it's make the postseason. Be one 103 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: of those seven teams. However you get in, give yourself 104 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: a chance at the ultimate prize, and that's the Super Bowl. Well, 105 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: I think when you're three and thirteen, five, five, ten 106 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: and one, and then you're eight and eight, you just 107 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: want to get to the playoffs. But they have to 108 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: have bigger goals, and they do. You have to win 109 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: playoff games, right, I mean the NFC West, it's it's 110 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: a dog fight every week, and I anticipate I you know, 111 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: for the longest time, I thought maybe Russell Wilson would 112 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: play elsewhere, But the more I see it, I think 113 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: he's going to stay there. He made a comment that 114 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: he really doesn't want to play on the East Coast. 115 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: You never know, so and Stafford is not going away, 116 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens with Trey Lance. But you know, 117 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: I just I just think overall, this allows them to 118 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: look at the future and try to figure it out 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: and hopefully, you know, they can do a much better 120 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: job when it comes to drafting. But I think the 121 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: elephant in the room here is now Kyler Murray from 122 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: a standpoint of okay, he's under contract the Cardinals. I 123 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: think the deadline is May third. They're going to pick 124 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: up his fifth year option and that will pay him 125 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: close to thirty million dollars. Now this upcoming season, his 126 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: cap numbers, annual cap numbers about eight nine. Now, he 127 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: has a low base salary. I think his thirty eighth overall. 128 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: But again he's base salary could be a little bit higher. 129 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: But he's already made thirty six million dollars in guaranteed money. 130 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: So I think the Cardinals have two years to figure 131 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: out if he's worth forty or forty five million, because 132 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: you got to think Joe Burrow, some of these young guys, 133 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: they're going to exceed that. Usually the next quarterback that 134 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: signs they exceed that. Now, Aaron Rodgers could sign a 135 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: two year, one hundred million dollar deal one hundred million guaranteed. 136 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: That's fifty million, forty five to fifty million. But so 137 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: so again, they own Kyler Murray's rights for the next 138 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: two years. And not that it helps anybody, but they 139 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: could put the franchise tag on very similar to what 140 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: Washington did and Dak Prescott. But I think maybe during 141 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: that fifthy year option you can try to figure out 142 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: a long term deal so you can move the money 143 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: around a little bit and make sure you obviously get 144 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: you got to make sure that he's the guy, but 145 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 1: they do. They have a couple of years to figure 146 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: that part out though. Now that fifty year option, which 147 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: time at the scouting Combine said, quote, absolutely we'll be 148 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: picked up by that made deadline. Now that becomes mute 149 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: if there is a contract extension reached beforehand and that 150 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: fifth year option. To your point, that doesn't have to 151 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: be that twenty nine thirty million dollar number. You can 152 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: lower that number as far as the cap hit is concerned, 153 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: which would allow this team to do improve and other positions. 154 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: But you brought it up, is Kyler Murray next? And 155 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: that has been the talk since the season ended. By 156 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: the way, this season only ended six weeks ago, January eighteenth, 157 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: the day at the day after the Cardinals lost at 158 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: the Rams, six weeks ago, and there's been a lot 159 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: going on. And we've written that roller coaster from seven 160 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: and zero, ten and two to a one in five 161 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: finish to all of a sudden, people are scrubbing their 162 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: social media accounts, reports citing unnamed sources, statements getting released 163 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: to now all of a sudden, the general manager and 164 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: head coach are getting contract extensions six weeks in six 165 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: weeks time. Now. I will say this though, when they 166 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: were seven to zero and ten and two, I do 167 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: think extensions were on I think they were on the table, 168 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: but I do think based on how to finish, and 169 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: nobody was happy. And give Michael credit. Michael bidwell because 170 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: if he may had to make decisions right after the season, 171 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been good. So you have to you 172 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: have to kind of take a step back evaluate, you know, 173 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: how I feel, body or work. He has to didn't 174 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: end well and then he probably just like he didn't 175 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: to Wilkes, what's your plan for next year? I'm sure 176 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: he had that conversation with Cliff Kingsbury, what's your plan? 177 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: How do we take the next step, how do we 178 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: finish stronger? And then he had to go to Kim 179 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: in Adrian Wilson in person, what's your plan? And the 180 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: plan must have been where he checked off that box. 181 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: That was the whole idea. Wilkes had a plan, but 182 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Michael didn't believe in it, and Obviously they made the 183 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: right decision. You know, Steve Wilkes is back in the NFL. 184 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: That's good for him. He's a great person. It just 185 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: didn't work out. But I gotta think once the dust 186 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: settled and cooler heads prevailed, they sat down and I'm 187 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: sure it was individually. At some point you sit around 188 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: the retail table and you have a conversation. Everyone's chiming in, 189 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: but I'm sure it was, Hey, what is your plan 190 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: and what is your plan? And I think they probably 191 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: both syncd up. This is why you don't make decisions 192 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: immediately at the end of the season. You don't make 193 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: decisions when you're highly emotional. And I think we were 194 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: all very emotional at the end of the season. Some 195 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: fans bird Gang you might still be emotion based off 196 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: how that season finished. Because, as I've said, as we've 197 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: gotten further and further away, eleven wins, that is something 198 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: to be proud of. Now you take a deep dive 199 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: into how did you get those eleven wins? How did 200 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: you reach that win total? And that's the problem that 201 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people have and coming to grips with 202 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: how to describe the twenty twenty one season, because yes, 203 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: eleven wins, huge, playoff appearance, huge, but it's the one 204 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: in five finish and an offense and a defense and 205 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: a special teams unit across the board. It's not a 206 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: single player that really elevated their game down the stretch 207 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: when games mean more, when the spotlight is brighter. And 208 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: that is concerning. Now, how do you fix it? How 209 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: do you correct it? That's what these past six weeks 210 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: have met. You do a little self scouting, some self evaluation. 211 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: You look at what went right, what went wrong? How 212 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: do you overcome obstacles when they are put in front 213 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: of you, I e. DeAndre Hopkins injury, And then all right, 214 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: here's the plan. Here's what we want to do. Here's 215 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: what we want to take this team moving forward, not 216 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: just into twenty twenty two, but now through twenty twenty seven. 217 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: That's the long term goal. And why the owner Michael 218 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: Bidwall said, all right, here we are six weeks after 219 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: the fact, and take a step back. I like where 220 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: things are headed. Agree or disagree, Bird Gang, that's on you, 221 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: and that's fair. But all it matters is to one individual. 222 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: And when ownership speaks, Hey, I'm riding with this general manager. 223 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm riding with this head coach, and I'll come back 224 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: to what you mentioned, MJ. Now, the question is are 225 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: they riding with Kyler Murray long term? Not just the 226 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: two years that you put forward, because I think you 227 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: speak for a lot of fans. Myself included that it's okay, 228 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: it's this year, next year, and then we make that decision. Well, 229 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: it's obvious Kyler wants that decision made now, lies in 230 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: like yesterday now, and I just don't know if that's 231 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: gonna happen, even though it did happen for the general 232 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: manager and head coach. Yes, listen, I know that he 233 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: wants to get paid. And let me put this out 234 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: there right now. I cannot believe everyone that mentions baseball 235 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: Kylin coward local shows. Do people realize if Kyler Murray 236 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: tapped out to play baseball, he would have to pay 237 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars back to the organization. So let's let's 238 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: just store this out, Okay again, tired of it, Well, 239 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: he's got another option. No, this is where he is. Listen. 240 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: They know they watch more film than we do. They 241 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: have more research. Again, he's got to grow, he's gonna 242 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll ever be a great leader, 243 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: but hey, sometimes you lead by different examples. You go 244 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: out there and you're a good teammate and you play hard. 245 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure that you know he's he's looking at five 246 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: or six year deal. Maybe Mahomes got a ten year deal, 247 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: Josh Ellen got a six year deal, And that's because 248 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: you want to move the money around. But I want 249 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: to see more in the next couple of years. Now, 250 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: if they want to give him the extension, I mean 251 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: for salary cap purposes, it makes sense. But again I 252 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: do like that that fifth year option number twenty eight 253 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: five were instead of forty five million. Now the next 254 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: year it can skyrocket just based on how he plays. 255 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: But there's still a lot of room for growth from 256 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: Kingsbury and Kyler Murray Cardinals Covered two presented by Hunday Proud, 257 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. The issue surrounding Kyler Murray 258 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: and how he's gone about this, that's the end. The 259 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: issue that I have is wanting it now and being 260 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: that kid that wants everything right now and not waiting, 261 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: not being patient. Go back to what Michael Bidwell had 262 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: to say on ninety eight seven FM. Errors in a 263 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: Sports Station during Newsmaker's Week when asked about Kyle Murray. Yeah, 264 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: he's a part of the long term future. But there 265 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: are other and I'm paraphrasing here Purer Gang, but there 266 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: are other priorities with respect to this offseason, and that 267 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: is what I think a lot of people are focusing on, 268 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: because when you look at this offseason and what needs 269 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: to get done, look at this week Scotting combine, evaluating 270 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: draft prospects. Then it's free agency, then it's the draft. 271 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no need to get a deal done 272 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: with your quarterback with respects to the salary cap. And 273 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: it's look, it's much more difficult to sign a long 274 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: term extension with a player, i e. A quarterback than 275 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: it is a head coach and general manager with respects 276 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: to the salary cap. There are other moving parts involved 277 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: in all of this. So it's a process that if 278 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: a deal does get done. That's why you see Josh 279 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: Allen extended in August, Patrick Mahomes July, Deshaun Watson September, 280 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: Jared Goff September. Because teams have a plan of the 281 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: off season draft, free agency, draft again, and then you 282 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: move into offseason workouts and then when things kind of 283 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: settled down with respect to post draft, post free agency, 284 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: that's when you can do these complicated deals. Well, how 285 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: many times has the Cardinals announced an extension during training camp? 286 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: I can recall Patrick Peterson, Buddha Baker, correct, DeAndre Hopkins, 287 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, Chandler Jones was done. I think it was 288 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: done after it was a couple of weeks after he 289 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: had been franchise tax correct. So I mean and and 290 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: that really to me is twofold. They probably you know, 291 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: obviously idea who you want your core and you give 292 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: them extensions. But it also creates some energy going into 293 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: training camp, So yeah, something can happen. I couldn't agree more. 294 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: But as you're saying, what you're really you know, banging 295 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: the hammer here or hitting the drum? Is the focus 296 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: now is getting the getting the roster better. That stuff 297 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: will take care of itself. If they're committed to Kyler Murcer, 298 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: which they are, that will all take care of itself, 299 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: whether it's today or I couldn't agree more with you, 300 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you mentioned all the different names. When 301 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: it happened. There's too much focus right now and getting 302 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: better so this team can make a run in the playoffs. 303 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: That's the focus right now and getting better with respects 304 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: to helping Kyler Murray improve his own game, getting help 305 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: or DeAndre Hopkins. Figuring out what you're going to do 306 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: at the running back position, the tied end position. How 307 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: do you increase upgrade the offensive line. Yeah, you know, 308 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: Robert sale came out and he said, we need to 309 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: get better defensively and that will take pressure off of 310 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. And that's the same thing with the Cardinals 311 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: and need to do. They need to get better protection upfront. 312 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: Figure out what you're gonna do with the two guard spot, 313 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: try to get a number two receiver, Utilize Rondell Moore. 314 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: We know hop try to retain Connor and Zach Ertzt. 315 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: But the defense, that's got to get better. And it's 316 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: a great way to saying because when this team was 317 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: rolling the defense on the road, they force a ton 318 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: of turnovers and the Cardinals are averaging close to thirty 319 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: points a game in four hundred yards. Now, again in 320 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: the NFL, it's it's about matchups. They catch up to you, 321 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: but they have to they have to counter with adjustments. 322 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: But the idea is if you defensively, you don't. If 323 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: you can, you know, hold teams and advance as big 324 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: as thing is points allowed. If you can hold in 325 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: the twelve or fourteen points, even seventeen points, you don't 326 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: have to outscore anyone. And the idea is to protect 327 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and started to run the football and win 328 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. And we'll see what that plan, how 329 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: it develops beginning this week in Indianapolis as far as 330 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: evaluating those draft prospects. But we have heard from the 331 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: head coach for the first time since the day after 332 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: the season ended, and we've heard from the general manager 333 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time. And each 334 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: met the media for fifteen minutes on Tuesday, and a 335 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: lot of the discussion, or a lot of the questions 336 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: asked concerned Kyler Murray because what had trans hired in 337 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: the days and weeks before those two were made available. 338 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: Everything said correctly from the head coach to the general 339 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: manager and not taking things personally, ie the statement that 340 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: the agents put out there on behalf of his client 341 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray quoting head coach Cliff Kingsbury, It's part of 342 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: the business. General managers are Steve Kin. People have different 343 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: ways of approaching things, and I respect it. You can't 344 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: get caught up taking things personal. It is a business 345 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: end quote. So yeah, I understand all this noise, and 346 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: that's what it is. It's noise. But at the end 347 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: of the day, when deals get done, it's two people, 348 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: an agent, general manager, whomever within the organization and you 349 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: sit down face to face hopefully, or you're doing it 350 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: over zoom or over a telephone and you're hashing it out. 351 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: And the key is not to take things personal. And 352 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: that is that is very difficult, especially when you're arguing 353 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: your side and the other person is arguing their side 354 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: and maybe you need to massage some numbers a little 355 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: bits or hit back. But in then today you want 356 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: what's best for both sides because that's when everyone wins, 357 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: when the organization is happy, when the player is happy. 358 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: Maybe you had to give up a little, maybe he 359 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: didn't get as much. But in then today, what do 360 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: you want? What do you what are you going to 361 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: be judged upon. It's gonna be judged upon how you 362 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: do on Sundays, your win loss record. Cliff Kingsbury twenty 363 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: four wins over three seasons, that's what he's judged upon 364 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: not how great his offense is or what he was 365 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: able to do in the fourth quarter of games. Tell 366 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 1: me what your record is. It's twenty four, twenty four 367 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: and one happens to be not the same record as 368 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: Kyla Murray. He's got two fewer wins because he missed 369 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: two games earlier this season, so that eleven wins. Kyler 370 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: Murray led him to nine of those. But it takes 371 00:20:54,800 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: everyone on offense, defense, and special teams to be successful. Yeah, 372 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: Eric Burkhardt, I understand he you know, he works for 373 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, but that was so unprofessional what he did. Now, 374 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: it was all orchestrated based on put this organization in 375 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: a very difficult position. Right, he knew that. I mean, 376 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: this week, Indianapolis is the NFL mecca. You have every 377 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: ownership group. Well I shouldn't say that because they have 378 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: other businesses. Every thirty two general managers you know Belichick 379 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: will show for something, so I don't want to mislead people. 380 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: It's the mecca. And then you got all the NFL network, 381 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: you got ESPN's and to me, I think it was 382 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 1: six forty five. He sent that out and it started 383 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: a wildfire. Everyone was talking about it. I mean, I 384 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: know a lot of good agents they would never do that. 385 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: And to me, he has other clients, but this is 386 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: his big ticket. I don't know if it's two or 387 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: three percent, but that is so unprofessional. And you know, 388 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: maybe maybe it was based on Michael's comments to where yes, 389 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, we're committed to Kyler Murray, but right now 390 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: the focus is on building the roster, and he knew 391 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: exactly what he's doing, and I thought it was unprofessional. 392 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: And he's taken a lot of heat from from the 393 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: circle of agents, just based on what I'm hearing from 394 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: a standpoint of you know, you have those conversations, you 395 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: should have sent that letter to the owner, okay. And 396 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: one thing I didn't like about the letter, how come 397 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: it never said he's got to get better. He's got 398 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: to be become more of a leaders. Accountability onbility. Yes, 399 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: say listen, it hasn't been perfect. Yes, making two Pro 400 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: Bowls WHIPPEDI do that's great for Kylo's Murray's resume. One 401 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: was virtual. But tell me about playoff wins, tell me 402 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: about all pros. Okay. And he was playing like an 403 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: MVP last year. So it's nothing personal. But I just 404 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: thought it was very unprofessional. I'll give Kim credit because 405 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: he also mentioned quote his agent is doing his job quote. 406 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: And then the other underlying storyline here, which obviously did 407 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: not complicate matters, but the fact that the head coach 408 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: and quarterbacks share the same agent, and how difficult that 409 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: might be. Come on Tuesday, quote when there's money to 410 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: be spent, Cliff runs for the hills. You guys know 411 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 1: his personality. He wants no part of that smoke end quote, 412 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: meaning it's not a big deal. Cliff focuses on the 413 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: XS and ohs. Steve com handles the money, dollars and cents, 414 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: if you will. And now less than twenty four hours 415 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: later we get news, Hey, the head coach has a 416 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: contract extension. So it's obvious that and this is a 417 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: mark of a one good organization and a good agent. 418 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: We're able to separate two individuals that might happen to 419 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: work for or be on the same team or organization. 420 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: Because you can't go broad picture and all of a 421 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: sudden put everyone in the same boat. You have to 422 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: take a narrow focus. All right, here's the head coach, 423 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: here's what he did, Here's why he deserves a raise. 424 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: All right, here's a player, here's what he did, here's 425 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: what he deserves, a contract extension. You can't take him 426 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: both together because then that that doesn't work. Now. I 427 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 1: understand people putting those two in the same boat and say, well, 428 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: if you're going to extend the head coach, then you 429 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: got to extend the quarterback. I get that conversation. But 430 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: they're two separate. Yes, now, I'll say this. M Kingsbury 431 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: did say that he wasn't aware of the statement. I'm 432 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: sure once he woke up, but it's not like he 433 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: wasn't given a heads up beforehand. And he said, our 434 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: our relationship is different than the relationship with him and Kyler, 435 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: and he made it very clear, and that's the way 436 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: it should be. Um, could you imagine, um, Steve Colin 437 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 1: maybe I don't even know if he has to call 438 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: Burkehard here. You imagine him offering Michael, offering Kingsbury and extension, 439 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: and you know he's got a running by Burkehard and 440 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, okay, this is interesting. I thought you 441 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: guys would be calling about something else. Yeah, hey, hey, Eric, 442 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell by one oh Carlin Murray. Now we're gonna 443 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: talking about DRAF. I don't know now when you're hiring him, 444 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: they're involved, but I don't know right right now. Kingsbury, Yeah, 445 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: that's his agents, So it's like bouncing off. I would 446 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: think Michael wants to still directly with you, meaning Cliff Kingsbury, 447 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: and then you call him and then you sign off 448 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: on it, because I know owners don't like dealing with agents. 449 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: Just it's like, that's why you hire cap guy. That's 450 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: why you're having a general manager, because he's the buffer. 451 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm fascinating how all of this works itself out, because 452 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: I do believe it will over the next several months 453 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: or year one or year two, meaning the next couple 454 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: of seasons. But you know, we do Folk Tales here 455 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: in the off season in a great series kind of 456 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: going back into the history of the Arizona Cardinals franchise 457 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: and looking at certain moments, certain events, certain games, and 458 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: kind of taking you behind the scenes. Maybe in I 459 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: don't know, obviously, after twenty twenty seven, depending on how 460 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: long the head coach is still the head coach of 461 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. But in ten years time, maybe twelve 462 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: years time. A Folk Tales episode on the summer of 463 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, with respects to the head coach and 464 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: the quarterback, same agents, contract extensions, the future moving forward, 465 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,719 Speaker 1: coming off a playoff appearance, and how all that behind 466 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: the scenes talk which we are not privy too despite 467 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: being in the same building. This news earlier on Wednesday, 468 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: with the gentle manager and head coach receiving contract extensions 469 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: certainly came out of left field for me. Was not 470 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: anticipating having this discussion on Wednesday. But here we are. 471 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: As we say, life happens very very fast, and the 472 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: National Football League. You want to talk about folk tales. 473 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: Let's go back to the combine when we left Arizona 474 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: and we were thinking, all right, two seasons ago, three 475 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: seasons ago, mean yeah, going there breaking down, Quentin Williams, 476 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 1: you and I had a you know who the guys 477 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: were going to talk to and Nick Bosa and we 478 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: asked Bosa, do you deserve to be the first pick 479 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: in the draft and he said absolutely. And then within 480 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: twenty four hours, all of a sudden, you know, we 481 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: probably didn't connect the doubts when Murray announced on February 482 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: eleventh day he was going to the NFL. Hey, we 483 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: got some other news coming out here. Andy Isabella's agent, 484 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: Bradley Blank, has just told Josina Anderson that his client 485 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: has been given permission to seek a trade. Blank told 486 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: on the phone that he's planning to actively reach out 487 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: to teams in the middle of March around free agency. 488 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: So it looks like Andy Isabella's has seen the writing 489 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: on the wall, and you know, obviously the Cardinals will 490 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: try to get a draft pick for him. Not a surprise, 491 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: and it might be one of those situations when you 492 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: get to this point in a player's career to where 493 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: you know what a change of scenery is best. Andy 494 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: Isabella had a lot of the spot light on him 495 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: when he was drafted and whether or not he was 496 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: ready for it, whether or not he was ready for 497 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: the National Football League coming from a small school. But 498 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: we just not have seen him develop like that second 499 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: round pick. And when you're a second round pick, there's 500 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: an expectation, and fair or not, Andy Isabella did not 501 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: live up to those expectations. Was he given an opportunity? 502 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: I think he was. They brought in a brand new 503 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: wide receivers coach to kind of give him a fresh start, 504 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: if you will, clean slate, and it just didn't work, 505 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: whether it was as a wide receiver inside or outside, 506 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: or working on special teams as a return specialist. Yeah, 507 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's just you know, that entire wide receiver 508 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: draft class. I mean, it obviously didn't work out, and 509 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: that's where they got to get better. But it's one 510 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: of those deals when we can do this with every 511 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: single draft pick. It's who was drafted after him. That 512 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: comes back to Hunch. When you're talking about Terry mclearns 513 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, Now Seattle passed on him a few times. 514 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: You and I were at the combine. He wasn't very 515 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: productive in college Metcalf you're talking about, Yeah, he had 516 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: a neck injury. He was a one trick pony. And 517 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: you know how I feel, I give him a ton 518 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: of credit because him and Russell Wilson work out every 519 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: single offseason and he obviously has a high ceiling. Yeah, 520 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: I do agree, and he's a great guy. Larry told 521 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: us he takes more notes in the meetings than any 522 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: other player. I just think maybe the initially it was 523 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: too big for him. Yes, he played against really good teams, 524 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: but he went to UMass. I don't think he was 525 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: ever comfortable with catching the football. It was more body catching, 526 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: which he had a jugamachine at home, and you give 527 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: his sister a dollar every time she put the ball. 528 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: It was It was something, but I think a little 529 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: bit between years. You have to be confident versus going 530 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: out there where I can't make a mistake. And I 531 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: thought he had a good training camp. Unfortunately, he get 532 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: a chance to play in the preseason. Well, he missed 533 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: a lot of that because he tested positive once but 534 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: twice if I remember correctly, for COVID nineteen and that 535 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: was a setback. He missed two preseason games and unfortunately 536 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: he was going to get a chance to play against 537 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: the Saints, but the team obviously they canceled the game. 538 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: Isabella during the regular season eight games, mainly on special teams, 539 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: one catch for thirteen yards, played just thirty offensive snaps. 540 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: So if a trade does materialize, and he might not 541 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: be the only one. We talked about Jordan Hicks, whether 542 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: he asked for one or the Cardinals do him a 543 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: solid and move him. As far as moving him along, 544 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: he's under contract, but we talked about it when we 545 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: broke down the linebacker position. MG, you've got Zaven Collins 546 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: and Isaiah Simmons. You drafted those two players over each 547 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: of the last two seasons. If you have Jordan Hicks 548 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: still on this roster, I don't think Zaven Collins beats 549 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: him out. I would. I would release Jordan Hicks, allow 550 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: him to go find out what his next gig is. 551 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: He can definitely play in this league. He's a great player, 552 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: a great person. So no, it's time you drafted these guys. 553 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: What was it eighth and sixteenth. Yes, yeah, it's time 554 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: to play. But they got to put the work in. 555 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: But they also got to be coached up. That's part 556 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: of it. So coaching, like B Train always told us, Monday, 557 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: Monday through Saturday, Monday through Saturday, and on Sunday, it's 558 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: the it's on the players to perform. By the way, 559 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: with regard to Collins and Simmons, both those players were 560 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: asked abouts, or should say the general manager and head 561 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: coach asked about those particular players, because again, when you're 562 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: drafted in the first round, even on Day two a 563 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,239 Speaker 1: second round pick, there's an expectation, and neither one in 564 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: their first season lived up to expectations. Daphen Collins did 565 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: not play a ton, especially late in the season, on 566 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: defense come quote. Moving forward, there's no doubt that we 567 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: have to get those young kids involved more. Kingsbury added, 568 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: we love the two guys we selected. Obviously we're hoping 569 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: in the future they can play a lot more. But 570 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: we're not down on either guy end quote. Of course 571 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: you'd expect that to be said from the manager and 572 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: head coach. But the encouraging signs for me with respect 573 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: to Zaven Collins, One, he's going to put in the work. 574 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: Two we saw that jump from year one to year 575 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: two out of Isaiah Simmons. Now can he be much better? Yes? 576 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: Does he need to play fewer positions? Yes? Can he 577 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: focus on just one or two or three? I would 578 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: hope that that is what the plan is for him. 579 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: But if we can see Zaven Collins materialize and be 580 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: that quarterback of the defense, whether he wears the green 581 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: dot or not. Maybe it's Buddha Baker, maybe it's someone else, 582 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: but that two trees be those two tall, beautiful trees. 583 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: As we heard after the drafts of Zaven Collins, when 584 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: you had two six foot four giants in the middle 585 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: that are very versatile, can do different things, smart, incredibly skillful, 586 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: and athletic but the football ikey with respect to the 587 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: National Football League and a playbook, that's where Jordan Hicks 588 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: excels at. Now can Collins and Simmons take that step forward? Yeah, 589 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: And once again, I thought Jordan Hicks played way too much. 590 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: You know, every year he's gonna get a hunter tackles. 591 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: He's gonna play about ninety eight percent of the time. 592 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: And it's not all on him, but a lot of 593 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: those tackles are four or five six yards down the 594 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. And that means that the front four 595 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: or front three wasn't getting a knee pressure. They couldn't 596 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: stop the running game. So yeah, the NFL's about having 597 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: veterans at certain positions like a JJ Watt and a 598 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, but it's really a young man's game. And 599 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: that's and and I think it's time to turn the 600 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: page on Jordan Hicks. And I talked to a position 601 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: coach on defense and he said, we are knocked down 602 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: on Zavan Collins. He was swimming last year. He was 603 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: not comfortable. He let his athleticism and try to do everything. 604 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: A lot of times it's you know, learning that positions 605 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: between the years, where to line up I gotta make 606 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: sure everyone's lined up, and I think, you know, having 607 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: JJ Watt, if he would have played all seventeen games, 608 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: I think it would have helped. But yeah, they're not 609 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: down in him, but this is a big offseason for him. 610 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: You got to put the work in. Cardinals Covered two 611 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: presented by Hunday Probud Partner of the Arizona Cardinals. It 612 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: was not just all Kyler Murray talk when the general 613 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: manager and head coach addressed the media in the scouting 614 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: combine at Indianapolis. Other topics which we will discuss over 615 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: the next several days and weeks here on Cardinals Cover two, 616 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: but one that I know a lot of fans are 617 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: interested in we kind of discussed earlier in this show 618 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: as far as how this team finished going one in 619 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: five and losing in the first round. Kingsbury quote, it's 620 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: just towards the end of the season, we've got to 621 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: do a better job of coaching and playing and understand 622 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: that's when you make your playoff push come quote. I 623 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: felt we played out of sync. End quote. So there's 624 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: no question that there has been a lot of self scouting. 625 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: Looking back at that month of December and January, what happened? 626 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: The only question we've been asking since actually during the 627 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: season and then when the season ultimately ended. What happened? 628 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: All right, we all know what happened. We can see it. 629 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: The numbers reflected, how do you make sure it doesn't 630 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: happen again? And it's been two seasons now that this team, 631 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: specifically the offense has failed down the stretch. Well, I 632 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: think two of the buzzwords we're hearing and is they 633 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 1: missed DeAndre Hopkins and the shuffle of the offensive line 634 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: did not help. If there's two things you want to 635 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: look at. And then obviously Kyler Murray did not play 636 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: as well down the stretch, and we can get into 637 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: play calling and everything's subjective. All of them are doing 638 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: the right job, then it works. So I think those 639 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 1: when they and I talked to a coach and he said, 640 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: we did it. We did a deep dive on how 641 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 1: why is this happening? But he said this is funny 642 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: because he told me the same thing. Without Hopkins out 643 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: there are often stalled. It was it got stale, they 644 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: couldn't get separation. And he said the other one us 645 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: we just get dealt with injuries. I mean, if you 646 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 1: have JJ Watt out there, and you know, let's be honest. 647 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if they had, you know, Malcolm Butler, maybe 648 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: the things wouldn't have been as bad in his secondary 649 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: because those guys were getting picked on. I would love 650 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: to know, and we'll never know, burd Gang if And 651 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: that's what life is when you look back, it's a 652 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: bunch of ifs. But when you watch the Los Angeles Rams, 653 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: their star players were healthy the entire way. Ode Beckham 654 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: Junior suffered a knee injury though in the Super Bowl, 655 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: but they're key players on offense and defense. We're there 656 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: down the stretch. What happens if DeAndre Hopkins is healthy, 657 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: Maybe he does miss those three games midseason, but he 658 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: comes back in that second minting against the Rams, doesn't 659 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: get hurt, he plays the rest of the season. J J. Watt. 660 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 1: Maybe he is injury is not as severe. He's able 661 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: to come back. I think at least one or two wins. 662 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: All right, I'm not gonna say they're gonna win every game. 663 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: My thing would be a healthy DeAndre Hopkins, he doesn't 664 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: miss those final four games and then the playoffs those 665 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: five games. What does this team look like from an 666 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: offensive perspective? If you have your number one offensive threat 667 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: outside of the quarterback. Okay, well they were seven to 668 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: o and ten and two, and I'm not going to 669 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: sit here and say they would have won every game. 670 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean, they did not play well against Seattle at home. 671 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: Obviously they didn't that you know, show up in the 672 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: Rams game. But they played well against the Cowboys game 673 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: and that was the offensive line. They played really well 674 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: without DJ Humphries. So yeah, I mean, it's it's, it's, 675 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: but these are the buzzwords we're hearing though. Is well, 676 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: first of all, inconsistent injuries on the offensive line and 677 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 1: key positions on defense, and then losing Hopkins. I mean, 678 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: I'll pencil and two more wins, Craig, and that could 679 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: have won the division. Yeah, you went two more regular 680 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: season games out of those last four. Yeah, because I 681 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: mean it took until week seventeen for the for the 682 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 1: Rams to win the division based on the Cardinals losing 683 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,760 Speaker 1: to the Seahawks. Biggest stat with the respect to DeAndre 684 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: Hopkins and why earlier you can go back in the 685 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: archives on easy Cardinals dot com. Why I even joked, 686 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: and maybe not jokingly believe DeAndre Hopkins isn't deserving of 687 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: a race because with eight and two thirty points a 688 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: game without three and four twenty one points a game. 689 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: But that's not individual numbers on DeAndre Hopkins, but his impact, 690 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 1: his presence on the football field and what it does 691 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: to opposing offense. Excuse me posing defenses based on how 692 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: many games he missed. Who led the Cardinals wide receivers 693 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 1: and touchdowns the hop despite missing seven regular season games. Yeah, 694 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: now he's he's an unbelievable talent and why he needs 695 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: to be healthy the entire season or at least towards 696 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 1: the end of the season when you make that playoff 697 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: push and finish strong. Hey, did you did you see 698 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: another quote about Kingsbury wants to get run down more 699 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: and more involved in the offense. Well that he's just 700 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: he's just one. Everyone is listening to Mike Jarecki here 701 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover Too, presented by Hyunday, proud partner of 702 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. And we heard it from Sean Jefferson. 703 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: So you have come and you know, quite frankly, sometimes 704 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, you throw stuff against the wall and you 705 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: hope it's sticks. But I felt good about my dart 706 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: throw there. It was right right in the bullseye. I 707 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 1: don't know how many more darts you have, but keep 708 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: firing away. One last note from Indianapolis, and again there's 709 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: other stuff, but this we want to make sure that 710 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,720 Speaker 1: everyone is aware of. Darren Urban had a great article 711 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: up on easy Cardinals dot com. But congratulations to John o'mahondrow, 712 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: cardinals long time trainer forty seven years goes back to 713 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 1: Saint Louis. And yes he is the father of our 714 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: great producer, Jim Almahundro. But John o'mahondro inducted into the 715 00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: Pro Football Athletic Trainers Society's Hall of Fame, the inaugural class, 716 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: one of five members. Retired in two thousand and eight 717 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: with a Super Bowl appearance, and cannot say enough good things. 718 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: I've gotten to know him now more after he has retired, 719 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: But what he meant to this organization, helping the organization 720 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: move from one city to another. And then remember early 721 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: on training staffs team of one maybe two for an 722 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: entire roster of fifty plus guys, and the stories that 723 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: he has and that he can or maybe can't tell 724 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: with respect to what happened with a number of great 725 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals that wore the uniform. Yeah, I'm thrilled for the 726 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: Alma hundred family and really his father's he's a class 727 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: act and he's raised a good family between Jimmy and 728 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: his brothers. Unfortunately lost her mother. But I'm glad that 729 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,720 Speaker 1: Olmes was able to be there and you know, obviously 730 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: spending time with his father and this is great and 731 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: well deserved, and I'm just glad that he got a 732 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: chance to enjoy it going back there and they had 733 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: dinner last night. They you know, they were out basically 734 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: we rolled out the red carpet for him, and he's 735 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: well deserved. So I'm I'm happy because you know, usually 736 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: you know those are you talk to players. I'm sure 737 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: Jake Plummer has a great relationship with him and Machine 738 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 1: who is here, and they know the players probably better 739 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: than anybody else because you know, they're around him all 740 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: the time, and so just the relationships he's been able 741 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: to build, and he's been a class sacked. You know, 742 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: even the first time I met it, he was very 743 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: nice to me. Well, you talk about you know, special teams, 744 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: coaches and how they touch everyone on the roster, training staff, 745 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: medical team, equipment staff, all those people that don't get 746 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: talked enough about all those people behind the scenes. They 747 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: touch every member of the roster as well. I wonder 748 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: how many you know, ankles he had a table. Can 749 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 1: you imagine that? All right? You got so one player, 750 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: that's two ankles. You know how many players? I think 751 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: I'm through the door? How many years? I mean, yeah, 752 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,439 Speaker 1: that's how much. And you gotta know, is this guy 753 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: like a tight or does this guy like it a 754 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: little bit different? Because it's it's it's fascinating how fast 755 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: they go. They ripped the tape. It's an athletic tape, 756 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: and then sometimes they'll put it here and here, and 757 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: they must have taped millions of ancles. It's got to 758 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: be in hundreds of thousands things that. But again, congratulations 759 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 1: to John o'mohundro and this is kind of cool. A 760 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: nice early birthday presents as well. Turned seventy nine in April, 761 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: so a hall of famer. I actually ran into him 762 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: earlier before the family went to Indianapolis, ran into him 763 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: here in the facility and congratulated him and said, yeah, now, 764 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: whenever he signs his name, make sure you put hof 765 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: next to it, because he is a Hall of Famer. 766 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: You know, if that happens with NFL players. They say, 767 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: you're guarantee at least one hundred thousand dollars. Now, he's 768 00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: not going to be out there signing cards or doing 769 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: athlebic tap on the on the autograph signing circuit. Ho f. Yeah, 770 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 1: that'd be that'd be awesome. That's what they say once 771 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: you become a Hall of Famer, that those letters can 772 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: get you some cache. All right, well, here's an idea 773 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: for you. Larry Fitzgerald, who I know listens religiously here 774 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: to Cardinals covered too, presented by Hunday, probably partner of 775 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, went fitz biggest download guys when along 776 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: with Adrian Wilson, when Fitz goes on that you know, 777 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: speaking banquet search or whatever speaking tour or does the 778 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: signing tour, you know, an X number of thousands of 779 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: dollars for that Larry Fitzgerald signature. Bring along John Almahandro, 780 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: a couple of Hall of famers, you know why not? 781 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: In fact, almost a Hall of Famer before Fitz is Wow, 782 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,879 Speaker 1: how about that? We thought that that's a good way 783 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,720 Speaker 1: to close out the show. It's been a great moment 784 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: for the Almohundro family, and certainly a busy week in Indianapolis. 785 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: More news will come out over the next several days. 786 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: The draft prospects hit the field on Thursday and work 787 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 1: out through Sunday different position groups, and of course we'll 788 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 1: follow along right here and complete coverage up on Acy 789 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 1: cardinals dot com. More about the general manager and head 790 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: coach what they had to say in the days and 791 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: weeks to come as we try to figure out or 792 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: how they try to figure out, how to get this 793 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: team back into the postseason where that becomes a consistent 794 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: end result for the Arizona Cardinals. And on that note, 795 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: we will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals 796 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,760 Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Honday, proud partner the Arizona Cardinals. 797 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Jim I'm 798 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: Ahundro for Mike Dreky, I'm Craig Riel Loup. We'll talk 799 00:44:41,960 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.