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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Weak It is Tuesday, November tenth, two thousand and twenty,

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Speaker 1: Season sixteen, episode number sixty two. Welcome to the latest

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Speaker 1: edition of The Break. I'm live from the s WBC

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Speaker 1: Mortgage studios at the Star, and I don't have my

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Speaker 1: normal crew with me, but I got a good crew

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Speaker 1: with me. Y'all joy this this next forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have some fun. We're gonna talk about a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff. We're gonna get some good opinions out

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Speaker 1: there and have a good discuss. And I got Isaiah

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Speaker 1: stand back with me, four year NFL VET with the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: with the Patriots, with the Jacksonville Jaguars, we got Buried

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Speaker 1: Church and nine year vet also with the Cowboys and

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars. We got Kurt Daniels who's a twelve year VET.

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Speaker 1: Never put on a helmet, but twelve years there. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I'll take it. I'll take it. Right, So we got it.

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Speaker 1: We got a very very experienced crew here. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a lot of good, good conversation and what I

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Speaker 1: want to do to get started. I know there might

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Speaker 1: be people out there listening that may not have, may

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Speaker 1: not be asked familiar with with you guys because they

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Speaker 1: the other shows. So I'm gonna open up by first

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Speaker 1: just going around the table, and I want you guys

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Speaker 1: thoughts are, general thoughts are on the status of this

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Speaker 1: team right now. I'm gonna start first with you, Isaiah.

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Speaker 1: Um right now is this is not a very good

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Speaker 1: team right now. Obviously the record records says one thing,

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Speaker 1: obviously being two and seven, and that I'll let you know.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately, you know, this team just they play some

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Speaker 1: very tough teams, but they also haven't played very good ball. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, if this, if this last game, is any

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Speaker 1: indication as to where we're going as an organization from

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Speaker 1: this point forward, then you know, I think everybody should

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Speaker 1: an excuse. The next man has to stand up and

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Speaker 1: step up. And unfortunately guys should have not played up

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Speaker 1: to what we feel like they should be doing. Very Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm with Isaiah on this. When the season hasn't been

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Speaker 1: what we all thought it would be going into this thing.

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Speaker 1: We lost multiple all pros. I mean, we lost our

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Speaker 1: these last two games Philadelphia defensively and then Pittsburgh, I

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Speaker 1: this going in the right direction, I mean, we're not

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Speaker 1: the kool aid over here. I might be the only one.

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Speaker 1: But so far the season hasn't gone. But you know,

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Speaker 1: can happen, Kurt, what are your thoughts? Yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 1: But for me, I'm looking towards next year. I want

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just been a disappointing year for a

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Speaker 1: I want to see development, improvement going forward. Let's get

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Speaker 1: into the past tense too. You see, he's a had Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I chugged, Yeah, I chugged the kool aid. At the

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Speaker 1: I'm fortunate with the Giants, right. Um, you know, we

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Speaker 1: I just got actually got that sense, you know when Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I saw the same thing. I mean, it was all

431
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432
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433
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Speaker 1: got his block knocked off a little bit, and it

434
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436
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out the game themselves. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't really fault them for not going after them.

438
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Speaker 1: But like you said, it was just a vibe, just

439
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440
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447
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Speaker 1: another question for you guys before we get into our

501
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Speaker 1: Medier review on the offense. Also yesterday, Mike McCarthy and

502
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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore gave high praise for Joe Looney for stepping

503
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Speaker 1: in after Tyler Riatas tweaked his hamstring in pregame one

504
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Speaker 1: most which oh weird to get him hurt hamame the line, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want to get too I don't want

506
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Speaker 1: to get to But my question is, my question is

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Speaker 1: who should be the starter once they're both healthy. And

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Speaker 1: we've talked about this quite a bit on on on

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Speaker 1: Cowboys break. I'd love to hear some opinions here, you guys. Yeah,

510
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Speaker 1: that's all a big, big Nate dog. We talked about

511
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Speaker 1: this the other evening when we're watching the game, and

512
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Speaker 1: I feel like Bada has earned his earned his opportunity,

513
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Speaker 1: and he did a good job winded with his opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I think he should be the starter. And the reason

515
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Speaker 1: why I think he should be the starter, I think

516
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Speaker 1: he's learning. I think he has that that tenacity that

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Speaker 1: you really want, obviously coming out of the school he

518
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Speaker 1: came out of Wisconsin. But uh yeah, but I think

519
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Speaker 1: you surround him with veteran guys, right, So I think

520
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Speaker 1: you put Beyadas at center, right, keep building his confidence,

521
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Speaker 1: and then you put Looney at left guard right, and

522
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Speaker 1: then you obviously got a big at right guard. Connor

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Speaker 1: Williams has had his opportunities and he's he's he's not,

524
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Speaker 1: as Nate said earlier, he's not making his many mistakes,

525
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Speaker 1: but he's still getting dogged right and still getting thrown

526
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Speaker 1: out the club. Yeah, like Jessie all the time. Right.

527
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Speaker 1: So I think if you put Looney and you put

528
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Speaker 1: Martin on each side of be honest, I think you

529
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Speaker 1: have a chance. So these tackles are definitely playing better.

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Speaker 1: Um and Connor just hey, guess what I sit back

531
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Speaker 1: in and learn. Yeah, ahead, Yeah, I agree, be honest

532
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Speaker 1: is your future. I mean, Looney's a great guy. I

533
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Speaker 1: think he's a great locker room guy from everything I've heard.

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Speaker 1: But you know, be honest, you know he's he was

535
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Speaker 1: drafted for a reason. They need to give him this

536
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Speaker 1: shot now. And like Asaiah said, he's proved it. He's

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Speaker 1: proved he's worthy of that starting position now. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I'm as down on Connor Williams as you

539
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Speaker 1: guys are. I think probably the week he'll be the

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Speaker 1: week I think he'll be the weak link probably in

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Speaker 1: a perfect world where everybody's healthy, he'd be the weak link.

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Speaker 1: But I think he has gotten better and at this point, again,

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Speaker 1: he's probably going to be your future, not Joe, So um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would roll with Otis and at this

545
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Speaker 1: point I'd probably keep rolling with Connor too. Yeah for me,

546
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Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna roll with Beyoadish on this one. This

547
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Speaker 1: is a young guy coming from a Wisconsin school that

548
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Speaker 1: kind of breeds offensive lineman. We saw the center, you know,

549
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Speaker 1: for the past couple of years in Frederick who was

550
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Speaker 1: from Wisconsin as well. Um, kind of be the quarterback

551
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Speaker 1: of this offensive line, and that's something I can see

552
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Speaker 1: Beatish being as he progresses, as he gets more reps

553
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Speaker 1: under his belt, because more reps are you I mean,

554
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Speaker 1: there's gonna equal you know, getting a better opportunity and

555
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Speaker 1: becoming a better player. And I think he can become

556
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Speaker 1: that quarterback of the offensive line. So I gotta stay

557
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Speaker 1: with Beyoda share at the center. And I am kind

558
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Speaker 1: of down. I'm Connor Williams. I just saw too many

559
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Speaker 1: times last week where he was just getting walked back. Yeah,

560
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Speaker 1: he's getting walked back to the quarterback. But Kurtchie made

561
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Speaker 1: a great point I mean, he can be the future.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think the future is in Joe Looney

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Speaker 1: right now, Because before you said that, I was saying

564
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Speaker 1: the same thing. I said, Hey, put Looney at guard.

565
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Speaker 1: But then I got to think it, Man, You're right.

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Speaker 1: If we're gonna get this guy, If this guy's gonna

567
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Speaker 1: be the future, Connor Williams is going to be the future,

568
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Speaker 1: we need to get him reps now. So as far

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Speaker 1: as the center goes, I'm gonna have to go with

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Speaker 1: Beatish and Luney. I'm sorry, but he's gonna have to

571
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Speaker 1: take a back seat on this one. Yeah. I would

572
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Speaker 1: say this though, talking about Connor Williams, I actually don't

573
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Speaker 1: think Connor Williams is your future. I think the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: If I'm the Cowboys, I've been somewhere between the third

575
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Speaker 1: and fifth round of this draft. I'm looking to get

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Speaker 1: a guard, and I look at it as I want

577
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Speaker 1: a guard who can also play center, maybe play tackle

578
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Speaker 1: like I want. I want position flex. I actually think again,

579
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Speaker 1: we talked a little bit in the break about Garrett

580
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Speaker 1: Gilbert as a Texas guy, as a Texas alum that's

581
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Speaker 1: watched it all the games. I'll tell you this about

582
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Speaker 1: Connor Williams. The last time I saw Connor Williams play well,

583
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Speaker 1: he was playing a tackle, not playing a guard. You're

584
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Speaker 1: trying to yeah, exactly in my opinion, And he's still

585
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Speaker 1: And what do we say, what is the biggest thing

586
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: we see from Connor Williams all the time? We're like, man,

587
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Speaker 1: that's why he's not good. It is because he gets overpowered.

588
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Speaker 1: And I think that's a part of playing guard. You

589
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Speaker 1: gotta be sturdy playing guard. You talk to Big Nate,

590
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Speaker 1: He'll tell you you gotta be sturdy. You gotta be

591
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Speaker 1: able to hold up. And I think Connor's greatest assets,

592
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: greatest asset is his feet. Put him at tackle. I

593
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: think this team needs a good a good um, a

594
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: swing tackle. They haven't been able to find a good

595
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: swing tackle. I think maybe this offseason you make that transition.

596
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: You invest a pick and let's see what you can

597
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: do at guard and make him your swing tackle if

598
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: that's something that he can do well. But I'm not

599
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced he's your future at guard. I'm really not.

600
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Speaker 1: So what are we saying? I would rather see? Go

601
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: go ahead, Kirka, Well, I don't, I don't you know,

602
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Speaker 1: I could maybe see that, you know, moving out Connor ways,

603
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Speaker 1: but I almost rather see what McGovern can get in there,

604
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Speaker 1: which I'm good Yeah, No, I'm good with that too.

605
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm good with seeing what McGovern can do. Again, all

606
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: I care about at this point is how well do

607
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: you develop these young guys? Right, That's that's my focus

608
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. If I'm Jerry, if

609
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Speaker 1: I'm Steven, if I'm Will, like the coaches and the players,

610
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be trying to win. Yeah, if I'm those

611
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: three guys, though, if I'm those three, no, I'm like,

612
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I just want to know can I develop

613
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Speaker 1: these young guys? So I have a who I need

614
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Speaker 1: to go and get this off already? Yeah yeah, thinking

615
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Speaker 1: about yeah, go ahead budget that. Jerry said a sorry

616
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Speaker 1: for the ring. He already unmoved that over to gonna

617
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: win it over there, We got it. Yeah, you're gonna win.

618
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Speaker 1: Yeah you know yeah, yeah, y'all you're doing a great job.

619
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Speaker 1: Keep going. But you're back in your mind, you're like,

620
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: I gotta give him some lessons, like he's not very

621
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Speaker 1: good at this, you know. That's all. I just think

622
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: that's that's the way they got to focus right now,

623
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Speaker 1: and I'm all good with McGovern being the guy that

624
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: takes those reps and guard Oh man, man, I just can't.

625
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't buy into it, man, I can't

626
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: buy into just we only a game and a half out. Yeah,

627
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: wait is a game and half. He has a game

628
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: and a half game and a half out. I just

629
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,760
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630
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: would not buy into that. We gotta, we got a

631
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: chance to We still gotta to be honest with you,

632
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Speaker 1: I don't think I think the way this thing is

633
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: gonna end. I think the Cowboys are actually gonna be

634
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: the worst team in the division because I could see

635
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Speaker 1: scenarios where I can see scenarios where the Giants can

636
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Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, all right, let's move into this

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Speaker 1: I got some questions for you guys who are gonna

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Speaker 1: roll through some of these and give a good overview

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Speaker 1: Life in the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. Let's

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Speaker 1: do a little midyear review and Kim, all right, So

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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do is and we might have to

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Speaker 1: spend some of this into next week. We'll slay out

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Speaker 1: see how it goes. But because some of these questions,

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Speaker 1: we might we might dig in a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this offense. I got some questions

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Speaker 1: for you guys, just as a big picture look of

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Speaker 1: this team. Let's start first with the wide receivers. If

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Speaker 1: you had to trade I know the trade deadline is gone,

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Speaker 1: but if you had to trade one of these wide

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Speaker 1: receivers to get extra draft capital to fix another area

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Speaker 1: of the team, which we can probably all agree, there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of areas they can fix. Who would

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Speaker 1: it be? And why you got a Marie Cooper, Ceedee

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Speaker 1: Lamb or Michael Gallop. Let's start with your church. For me,

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Speaker 1: this is a tough one, man, because these all these

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Speaker 1: guys bring value. But I'm gonna have to go to

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Speaker 1: Mari Cooper on this one. And for the simple facts,

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Speaker 1: I believe he can get you more draft capital or

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00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: he can get you more in return for the trade

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Speaker 1: than a CD Lamb or a Knichael Galla can give you.

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Speaker 1: So that's the reason I'm going with for a trade.

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Speaker 1: If I'm going with Maria Cooper. Plus, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: feel like Ceedee Lamb has already kind of developed almost

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Speaker 1: into that you know, one option either one a one

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Speaker 1: B option, and we all know what Michael Gallup brings

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Speaker 1: to the table. So for me, I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 1: go with a Maria Cooper on this one. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just choose your poison on that one. But

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with to Mara Cooper. Kurt, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: agree that Cooper would probably bring you the much in return,

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Speaker 1: but I just don't think his contracts tradeable and I

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Speaker 1: just don't think there's any way they can move him

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Speaker 1: without with that size of the deal and the dead

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00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: money that'd be involved. And I do agree that, Lamb.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's looking like a number one already and

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Speaker 1: you've already, you know, being a rookie's on a perfect contract.

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Speaker 1: So to me, Gallup was the guy that you'd probably

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Speaker 1: have the best chance of moving and getting something in return.

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Speaker 1: In some ways, I wish they'd been a little bit

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Speaker 1: more aggressive and trying to get him moved at the

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Speaker 1: trade doneline this year, because I mean, not many teams

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Speaker 1: have three potential Pro Bowl wide receivers on their roster,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of really good teams out there

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Speaker 1: that don't have that kind of talent they could have used.

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00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys could have used more talent on the defense. In

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Speaker 1: this regard, I think maybe maybe they should have been

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Speaker 1: a little bit more there so Gallup would be my

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Speaker 1: guy Aziah without taking the contracts into consideration, I would

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Speaker 1: say Coop just because you would get the most of

742
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: the draft cab out of him. But I think he's

743
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Speaker 1: reached his peak. I don't think he's I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna keep climbing. So I think you get rid

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Speaker 1: of him and you try to get as much as

746
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Speaker 1: you can, but obviously taking into the contracts into into consideration,

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Speaker 1: obviously Gallup, that's the last person I would want to

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Speaker 1: get rid of, just because I think Gallup is going

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Speaker 1: to be He's gonna be a B Sens league and

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00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: he's he's He's shown it a number of times. But

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Speaker 1: you would hate to get rid of somebody with that

752
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: much talent, you know, untapped talent already, and he's pretty

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Speaker 1: amazing already based on what you've seen so far. Do

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Speaker 1: you guys think that Ceedee Lamb can end up being

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Speaker 1: better by when he ever he reaches the peak of

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Speaker 1: his career, when the being better than Mariy Cooper. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think he can be better than a Mariy Cooper.

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Speaker 1: He's already so quarterback friendly in that slot position. He

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00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: knows how to work the zones, he knows how to

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Speaker 1: work man coverage, and he seems to always be open

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00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: no matter what the coverage is on him. So I

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00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: think he'll only continue to grow and I think he'll

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Speaker 1: reach the ceiling far past Amari Coopers. Was nothing agains

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Speaker 1: him Mark because he's a great wide receiver. But I

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Speaker 1: just think Ceedee Lamb, I think he's the truth, and

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Speaker 1: I think he's ceiling is extremely high. I agree. I agree,

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Speaker 1: CD is really good. Does a team need this many

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Speaker 1: Does a team need this many Pro Bowl wide receivers? Though, Nah,

769
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: they don't. Well, I'll tell you this, if Zekiel Elliott

770
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Speaker 1: keeps playing like he's playing, I think you may because

771
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: I think this team has has transitioned from being a

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Speaker 1: run first team. When you have a healthy deck and

773
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: you got the three wide receivers and you got an

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Speaker 1: offensive line that can protect them. We saw it earlier

775
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: this season. I'm looking at this team and saying, this

776
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: is a team that's gonna be putting up thirty plus

777
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: a game. So if you're doing that, then then yeah,

778
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: I think you do need those three wide receivers. Now,

779
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. At whatever point Cooper's contract is up,

780
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys are gonna say goodbye and thank

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00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: you for your services, and they'll move on with those

782
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: other two. And that doesn't mean they gotta rush out

783
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: and try to find another Pro Bowl receiver, but it

784
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: doesn't mean for the time that you have them for

785
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: that year two years. I think the Cowboys taking advantage

786
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: of it, absolutely take advantage of it. Right, You gotta

787
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: you gotta have somebody to stop the ball too. That's

788
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: the problem. Well, that's why, and we go full circle

789
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: back to the original question. They need draft Calbun because

790
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: they got to rebuild this defense. There's no doubt about that.

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00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the next question I have for

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Speaker 1: you guys, Compared to the preseason expectations you had for

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Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin, Dalton Schultz has been as good, better or worse?

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Speaker 1: M worse? You think it's been worse expectations, Yeah, expectations

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Speaker 1: of what you had for Blake Jarwin. Dalton Schultz has

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Speaker 1: been as good as that, better than that, or worse,

797
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: oh worse. For me, my expectations of Jarwin was to

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00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: come in and take the top off this thing. Obviously

799
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Speaker 1: with the offensive line wols, I mean, he would have

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00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: had to sit in and block a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: But that's why you brought you know, the Belldozer in here.

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00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: You know, he brought him into block. Yeah, you know,

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00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: shouts should have been I mean, not shots, but you know,

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00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: I might not just blaking a. Jarwine should have been

805
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: in the hip pocket and he should have been taking

806
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: the top of He would have been another accessory, especially

807
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: in the situations we're facing now when we need to

808
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: go a lot more too tight. He would have still

809
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: had a deep threat down the middle, which we really

810
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: don't have right now because we have to be able

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Speaker 1: to sit back and block. Okay, go ahead, Kurt, Well,

812
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: I wonder I mean Dalton right now, it's on pace

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00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: for sixty two catches and six hundred and eighty yards,

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Speaker 1: which I think was would that that'd be what you've

815
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Speaker 1: expected from Jarwin. To me, I think he's probably been

816
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: just as good. Now, You're right, he probably doesn't take

817
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: the top off as well, but I think he's been

818
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: a pretty good you know, what you'd need from that

819
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: tight end. I mean, if Dak was in the quarterback,

820
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: he might even have, you know, more catches, more yards,

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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So yes, i'd probably like to

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00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: have drawn in there more. But as far as expectations,

823
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: I think Dalton's held up well. I think he's giving

824
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: you about what you'd want. Yeah, I'm gonna have to

825
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: sad with you on this one, Kurt Um. You know,

826
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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the expectations for Jarwin coming

827
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Speaker 1: into this season, they were lovely. I mean I thought,

828
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Speaker 1: for sure, you know, he was gonna come in here

829
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Speaker 1: and he's gonna be zach Ertz esque and he's going

830
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: to be able to stretch the field in the middle

831
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Speaker 1: of the field. You know, he went down with that injury,

832
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: so that's you know, that's that was that And to me,

833
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: Dalton short stuff, he's come in here, he's blocked well,

834
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Speaker 1: he's been a quarterback friendly tight end. He's always seems

835
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: to be where he needs to be. He hasn't dropped

836
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: a lot of passes, and like you said, Kurt, he's

837
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: on pace for sixty two catches. And for me, for

838
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: a guy that you know that was coming in here

839
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: that was just supposed to be another guy, another tight end,

840
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: I think he's played extremely well. Um, you know, with

841
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: all the reports through training camp that he was having

842
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: a good year, I kind of just kind of went

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00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: those to the side out he'll he'll be a forgotten guy.

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00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: But he came in here and he's proven that, you know,

845
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: he put in the work during training camp. So for me,

846
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: I think he's been as good as advertised. You know,

847
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: although I agree with you guys from the standpoint of

848
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: Schultz being better than what I expected because I was

849
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: coming into this into training camp I was like, I

850
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: don't even know Schultz makes his team, but the fact

851
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: that he has put up the numbers he's put up

852
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: makes me think he certainly has done much better than

853
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: I thought he could do. Now here's the flip side

854
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: of that. I agree with you from the standpoint Isaiah

855
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: that I do think this this offense takes on a

856
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: different dimension if you've got that deep threat in the

857
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: middle of the field, because defenses have to play. Yes,

858
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: you guys know, defense has got to play you different

859
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: when you got that tight end, why would you have

860
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: to play very night and day. Exactly. You couldn't run

861
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: like two high show because he can split the middle.

862
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, it's rough. I mean especially if we

863
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. So I was saying, like, who

864
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: would you match up on him? Because he can out

865
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: run linebackers, he can out physical safeties. I mean you

866
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: would have to bring in an extra corner in there,

867
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: and that would take another linebacker out, So then I

868
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: would open it up for your running games. So changes.

869
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: And then the part I think about it is if

870
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: you got situations where you guys with Ceedee Lamb now

871
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: working in the work in the slot, that complicates things

872
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: even more because that really puts a lot of stress

873
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: on the middle of your defense being able to cover,

874
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: and you got Gallo just running down the middle down

875
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: the outside of you. Right, So I just think that

876
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: the whole thing changes. It's not that Shots hasn't done

877
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: a good job. He's that the whole offense changes. When

878
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: you got a guy like like like Blake draw why

879
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: you paid him what you paid him because you were

880
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: playing him based off the expectation of the ability that

881
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: he opened up for you on offense. Right, this is true?

882
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: All right, So we might spend the rest of the

883
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: show on this next question. So I'm just giving y'all

884
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: fair warning. So here we go. That's happened this season

885
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott when he played and since the injury,

886
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: and how the team before when he was then there

887
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: versus when he was not. The price you'd be willing

888
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: to pay him has either increased, decreased, or stayed exactly

889
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: the same. Churt, Let's let you go first. Well, I

890
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: always thought that he was a forty million dollar quarterback,

891
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: just not so much maybe that he ranked in talent

892
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: with the Russell Wilsons of the world, but in the

893
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: fact that was the market and I think today you're

894
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: looking at a forty million dollars quarterback there, which I

895
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: think this Cowboys were closer to thirty five maybe, so

896
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: just in that regard, plus the obvious struggles they've had

897
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: without him, Yeah, I think the price for him is

898
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: going up, and I think the Cowboys kind of missed

899
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: the boat and not already signing him. Now that the

900
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: real question or the real hangout before was the number

901
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: of years it sound like where it was. I think

902
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: the difference between three and four years even that in

903
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: some ways, I think Cowboys are gonna have to bite

904
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: the bullet and pay this guy. I mean, it's he's

905
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: proven that he's he's a quality quarterback that can carry

906
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: this team. Ye uh yeah. For me, I'm gonna have

907
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: to say that it's increased. Um if we're not even

908
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: we're not even talking about on the field stuff, we're

909
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: talking about off the field, just leadership alone. I mean,

910
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: I think if he was in the locker room, I

911
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: don't think you have and even if it was going

912
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: as bad as it is, I don't think you have

913
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: these anonymous quotes coming out saying, you know, coaches don't

914
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: know what they're doing or or the pointing of fingers

915
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: here and there. I think if he's in that locker room,

916
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: he's your bona fide, unquestioned leader. So I think off

917
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: the field he would. I mean, his price has got

918
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: to go up now. On the field, we can see

919
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: it with our own eyes. I mean, he elevates so

920
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: many people out there, it's ridiculous. So I gotta think

921
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: he's been elevated from that thirty five thirty six million

922
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: dollars that he was offered. He's got to be up

923
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: in the forties. Like Kurt was saying, yeah, Beta man,

924
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: Pata man. I mean, it's been pretty tough on back

925
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: and some of the things, you know, especially when Andy

926
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: came in, I thought felt I felt like there are

927
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: some things that Andy did better than him. But um,

928
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, Dak has proven himself with his absence. With

929
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: his absence, he's proven himself. Um. And as the question

930
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: is in terms of has his has his stock went

931
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: up in terms of what the Cowboys are willing to

932
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: pay him, yes, yes, um no, all the rest of

933
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: the league that's a different question. I'm not sure if

934
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: the league would pay him any differently, But what he

935
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: means to this Cowboys organization. They definitely have to pay

936
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: him more than what they were intention intending to do.

937
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: Do you guys think he stepped into that elite status

938
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: at this point with what he did early in the season. No,

939
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: not after what I've seen from you know, the homes,

940
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: the Aaron Rodgers of the world, just just arm talent alone,

941
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: I don't think he's stepped into that upper echelon. But

942
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: he's not too far behind. He's not too far behind.

943
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: And and I think, um, we have the quarterback, we

944
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: have the future a quarterback here, and the franchise without

945
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, I can't even speak, right. Can they win

946
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: a championship with him? They have? It's not it's not

947
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: just his shoulders. Yeah, it's not just his shoulders. Yes,

948
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: he's a he's a very capable quarterback, but as we've

949
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: this year, is so much more than Jess than just

950
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: quarterback play. And so if they fix all the other areas,

951
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: absolutely that's the guy that you want. You know, you

952
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: aren't coordinating things on that side of the ball um.

953
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: But you know, when we start making comparisons to russing

954
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: on him, cast he's not He's not in that category yet. Yeah,

955
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, I've always thought his

956
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: trajectory is Russ's trajectory, Like where where he is in

957
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: his career is where Russ was at that point. He

958
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: is going and I think he's still he Every year

959
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: he gets better, it's better and better, and so I

960
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: think at some point, I think we will be talking

961
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: about Dak Prescott the same way we talked about Russ.

962
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: He will be the guy getting By the way, once

963
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: you pay that quarterback, he has to become the guy.

964
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like that's why I saw about earlier when

965
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: I said they're transitioning from a running team to a

966
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: passing team. Well, when you pay that quarterback, Because, by

967
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: the way, when you pay that quarterback, the likelihood that

968
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna have Zeke on another deal, or that you're

969
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: gonna have another running back that's paid his amount of money,

970
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: but next time he's up ain't gonna happen. Right, So

971
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: over time that should tends to change, and it's gonna

972
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: turn more into a situation where Dak's gonna have to

973
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: be the man. And what I saw this year in

974
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: those games, he played the numbers they were putting up,

975
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: and I mean just the way they were in those

976
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: situations and people can say it was you know it was,

977
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: it was garbage signed. It's never garbage sign in the

978
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: NFL because if you get your team back in position

979
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: to win, then that means you did what you're supposed

980
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: to do right, no matter how it started off. So

981
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: all that being said, I think Dak Prescott's putting himself

982
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: right in place for the kind of quarterback that that

983
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: you need in today's NFL, and I think he will

984
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: be among those elite guys at some point. All right,

985
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: let's move on to one final question here before we

986
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: end the show. Who has the bigger problem? Who's been

987
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: the bigger problem or disappointment for this team this season? Uh?

988
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: And this one's gonna span between offense and defense and

989
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: special teams. Actually the names are Jalen Smith, Chris Jones

990
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: or Zeke Elliott. Who's been a bigger disappointment based on

991
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: the expectations of what you had for them and what

992
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: how they've performed. Who's been a bigger out? Nobody cares

993
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: about punters thirty yards and then you care about it's

994
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: Zeke for me, Zi for me? And it sucks. I mean,

995
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: what's happened to him? Well? He he's had bad luck

996
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: in terms of the offensive line. He's spoiled here. Spoiled.

997
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: It's called how it is. No. I mean, how many

998
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: running backs come in and they just have almost you know,

999
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: three all pro you know line in front of him.

1000
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: It's not something that happened. So he was spoiled. And

1001
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: then you know, adversity hit in that regard, and then

1002
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: he didn't take care of his business in terms of, um,

1003
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, securing the ball um, and I think the

1004
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: combination of those two things have obviously lowered his his trajectory. Um,

1005
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: he's he's well under underperforming where anybody in this league

1006
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: expecting not only just account boys, but anybody I'm expected

1007
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: him to be doing it. I'm sure he's looking forward

1008
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: to a better second half. Yeah, I gotta agree. I

1009
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: think it's Zeke on this one, um. And I think

1010
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the expectations had to had to go

1011
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: into that as well. When you're coming in here, you're

1012
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: getting paid ninety million dollars, your QB one goes down.

1013
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: Everybody's kind of looking at you. This is the guy

1014
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: we kind of gotta lean on. He has to carry

1015
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: us throughout this year, and for him not to be

1016
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: able to do that, and the fumbles that have occurred

1017
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: and him being a part of a lot of turnovers,

1018
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: it's just not it's just not what we're accustomed to

1019
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: see him and accustomed to what we thought we were

1020
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: going to see coming out of Zeke coming out of

1021
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: this year. So for me, I gotta say Zeke has

1022
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: been the disappointment. We have a couple of games left,

1023
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: so hopefully he can get out of this rut. But overall,

1024
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: when you got you know, Tony Pollard out there kind

1025
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: of looking better than you, especially last week when it

1026
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: comes to the running game, I think you've fallen off

1027
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. So hopefully he can stick his game up.

1028
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: But to me, the disappointment has got to be Zeke's

1029
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: got Kurt Hey Barry. Barry is a defensive guy. You know,

1030
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh went into that game saying, we're shutting down Zeke.

1031
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: That was the whole We're shutting down Zeke. I agree

1032
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: that Zeke doesn't have the same burst anymore, but does

1033
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: he seeing different defensive looks than a guy like Pollard

1034
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: who maybe he's getting in there when it's a little

1035
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: more spread out. That's true. Well, I agree, though I

1036
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: think Zeke Um. Mainly he's going to be saddled with

1037
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: that contract now. He's just not living up to what

1038
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: they paid him. And he's obviously you know, yes he said,

1039
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: the banged up offensive line, some other factors, but he

1040
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: just doesn't have the same burst, it looks like, any

1041
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: more than he used to. So and Jalen Jalen gets

1042
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism, but yeah, he's he's you know,

1043
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: maybe we can coverage, but I kind of wonder where

1044
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: this team would be without him. I mean, he's he's

1045
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: second in the league and tackles. I'll tell you this,

1046
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: We're going to We're gonna we're gonna defer that conversation

1047
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: to tomorrow we talk about defense because Smith. But that

1048
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: all said, I agree with you guys though on Zeke.

1049
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: The disappointment to me is not even so much about

1050
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: like I know a lot of people talk about the

1051
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: fact he didn't have the big long runs, Like that's

1052
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: not the part I worry about, because this average was

1053
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: at one point the see was actually pretty good. My

1054
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: My issue though with Zeke is the fumbles, Like you

1055
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: can if you are and I think he is. I

1056
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: think he is the leader of this team right now.

1057
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: With dak Out. He's the guy that stands up there,

1058
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Speaker 1: and you guys know how important this is. When things

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Speaker 1: aren't going right, somebody's got to go stand in front

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Speaker 1: of media and take the brunt of that. And he

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Speaker 1: is the first one to step up and be like,

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Speaker 1: I got it, let's do this right. And that's a

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Speaker 1: part of being a leader. And so I give him

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Speaker 1: all credit for that, But I think when you just

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Speaker 1: look at it, I don't think that I think that

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Speaker 1: you can't have your leader being as big a part

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Speaker 1: of the problem from the standpoint of the turnovers as

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Speaker 1: he's been. That to me is just a matter of

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Speaker 1: you got to be more focused than that and if

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Speaker 1: nothing else, you gotta run in there like I'm just

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Speaker 1: I don't care what happens. I might only get two yards,

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Speaker 1: but you're not getting this ball from me. And and

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Speaker 1: I just think he was setting the wrong example with

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Speaker 1: the turnovers, and that was their biggest problem in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Early on in the season. They probably get but for

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Speaker 1: all those turnovers, I would say they probably have two

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Speaker 1: more wins this season than they have right now, and

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Speaker 1: you'd be sitting even prettier in the NFCA now we're talking,

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Speaker 1: I'll say what we're gonna win like I'm drinking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they might get in the playoffs, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: And then to me, that's that's you. You expect your

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Speaker 1: leader to be able to handle those kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: Those are the basics team in what way? You mean?

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Speaker 1: I think? So? No, not not not saying what we

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Speaker 1: perceive it to be. My question would be if he's

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Speaker 1: If he's not, who else, like I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: know that there's another guy like Mary ain't that those

1088
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Speaker 1: offensive linements? Maybe Martin Mick, But I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if Martin is. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 1: as vocal as you might need. And and certainly he's

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Speaker 1: not the guy that everybody's looking at to say, hey man,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? You know, Martin? I don't know who else?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, really is that? Honestly, I don't

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Speaker 1: know who you're gonna point to. I mean, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: de Marcus. But we talked about this a lot on

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Speaker 1: the break. There's there's good leadership and it's bad leadership.

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Speaker 1: It's still leadership. You might be leading guys the wrong

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Speaker 1: way sometimes, right, So so is DeMarcus always doing the

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Speaker 1: things he should be doing if he's going to be

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Speaker 1: the leader to where everybody's following the right way and

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Speaker 1: not following the wrong way. All right, So from the

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Speaker 1: outside looking in goes back to what sorry, That goes

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Speaker 1: back to what Barry was saying about missing dak Man.

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Speaker 1: He was such a leader in this year and he

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Speaker 1: was the guy that could round of guys to come back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think everybody's just looking around right now. I don't Again,

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Speaker 1: I'm not in the locker room. None of us are

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Speaker 1: in the locker room to tell you probably have better

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Speaker 1: beat than any of us, But I don't feel like

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Speaker 1: anybody has a voice right now. I feel like when

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Speaker 1: things go wrong, I think everybody's kind of looking around

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Speaker 1: like yeah, And you can't really lean on a guy

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Speaker 1: like Sean Lee because he hasn't been out there. He's

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Speaker 1: been on the r so he can't really go out

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Speaker 1: there and address the team and tell him what direction

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Speaker 1: to go. When Sean was the one, he was, he

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Speaker 1: was the hype man before the game. We saw that

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Speaker 1: he's the one the circle. And I know, even though

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Speaker 1: you are had a good career, everybody's probably looking at

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Speaker 1: him like it's kind of when we looked at with like,

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Speaker 1: all right, all right, you got it. All right, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna finish this conversation tomorrow because I do actually, I

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Speaker 1: think that's a conversation worth having talked a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the leadership. What is there a leadership void on

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Speaker 1: this team and how much does that matter, particularly from

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Speaker 1: two guys that have been in the locker rooms and

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Speaker 1: seeing how that all plays out when you got fifty

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Speaker 1: three guys kind of looking around trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: what's going on. We'll do that tomorrow. We appreciate you

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Speaker 1: guys joining us today, fri Zaiah Berry and Kurt. We

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Speaker 1: will be back tomorrow. This has been Dallas Cowboys dot

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