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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you,

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It's the top of the week,

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Speaker 1: which means it's time for strange news. We have outrage

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Speaker 1: in Mexico. We have conspiracy theories about COVID nineteen, but

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Speaker 1: not the kind you might expect and not from the

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Speaker 1: place you might assume. And in other news, someone may

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Speaker 1: have sto and the art of the Covenant, Yes, that

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Speaker 1: Ark of the Covenant, the same one referenced in both

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Speaker 1: the Bible and then later the Indiana Jones film franchise,

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Speaker 1: which are two weird bookends to put on that, I guess.

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Speaker 1: And if you're if you're a longtime listener of the

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Speaker 1: show or a viewer of the YouTube channel, you know

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Speaker 1: that we have attempted to find the location of the

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Speaker 1: Ark of the Covenant multiple times, and we thought we

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Speaker 1: narrowed it down at least if one really did exist,

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Speaker 1: where it probably was. And this story is bringing that

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Speaker 1: all home. Is that the is that the one where

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Speaker 1: the Nazis get melted, get their faces melted? Yeah, in

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Speaker 1: Indiana Jones, Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, not the art

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Speaker 1: got it, not not the Bible version, but that Indiana

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Speaker 1: Jones scene is based very loosely on some of the

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Speaker 1: warnings about the Biblical art, which is, you know, how

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Speaker 1: one should or should not gaze upon it. Uh, it

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Speaker 1: does turn out there and no Nazis in the Bible

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Speaker 1: right right right in the version and that most people use.

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Speaker 1: I would assume there might be there. There might be

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Speaker 1: a couple of independent interpretations, a remix version flooting around

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Speaker 1: the Hitler put forth, and there's always somebody writing a

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Speaker 1: Third Testament throughout history of one sort or another. Well,

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Speaker 1: that story. So so spoiler alert by way of backgrounds

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Speaker 1: what Matt's referring to, and he says, you know, we

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Speaker 1: tried to look for we looked for the Ark of

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Speaker 1: the Covenant several times, over the course of this show.

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Speaker 1: That is true, we were intensely interested in this, you know,

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Speaker 1: stuff they want you to know. Always loves hidden history

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Speaker 1: and historical mysteries. Uh. The Bible is full of those.

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Speaker 1: Or the stories, places, people, events, artifacts depicted in the

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Speaker 1: Bible are always of great interest to historians. Like we've

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Speaker 1: seen in other in other explorations of history, the world

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Speaker 1: eats the works of man. So it can be incredibly

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Speaker 1: difficult to verify things that happened in the eleventh century,

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Speaker 1: where facts and and myths begin. But the arc of

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Speaker 1: an exception. So basically, what it is is a gold

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Speaker 1: and according to the story, it contains the two actual

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428
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Speaker 1: are all shaking each other and working in concert. So

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Speaker 1: it's hard to take some of these claims very seriously

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Speaker 1: because they're kind of essentially just creating sort of a

431
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Speaker 1: narrative that deflects blame from them. Um. And we know

432
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Speaker 1: that those origin stories are pretty well vetted, you know,

433
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, or am I overstating the case there?

434
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Speaker 1: I would say they're more well vetted than the the

435
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Speaker 1: narrative here from the Chinese side. I was not aware.

436
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Speaker 1: I had been looking at some of this stuff, but

437
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Speaker 1: I was not aware how far back their story goes

438
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Speaker 1: like they were. They were saying, uh, elements of the

439
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Speaker 1: Chinese media and government, we're saying this as far back

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Speaker 1: as May. That's a really good point. Then, yeah, well

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Speaker 1: they're specifically referencing, Uh, they're not just they didn't just

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Speaker 1: pick for Dietrich, you know, by throwing darts at a

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Speaker 1: at a map of the US. From what I'm understanding,

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Speaker 1: before they got to Fort Dietrich, they were looking for

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Speaker 1: a way to as you said, turn this blame on

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Speaker 1: the US. So it's like, what is our very verbose

447
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Speaker 1: version of we're rubber your glue. And the US said

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Speaker 1: much the same that you've said. They said that this

449
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Speaker 1: was a clear attempt at defection. In July t nineteen,

450
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Speaker 1: there was a shutdown of what are called bio safety

451
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Speaker 1: level three and level four types of work at us

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Speaker 1: A m R I I D. And that is the

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Speaker 1: Army's Biological Defense Laboratory. So that word is true. It

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Speaker 1: is a thing. It does study high level pathogens and infections,

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Speaker 1: buds like anthrax, things that can be weaponized for germ warfare,

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Speaker 1: biological warfare essentially. Well that's the thing. Now, it depends

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Speaker 1: on who you believe, because a spokesperson for the Army

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Speaker 1: Medical Research and Development Command said that U s A

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Speaker 1: m R I I D does not take part in

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Speaker 1: offensive research. But of course, why would you admit that

461
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Speaker 1: if you did, right, why would you be like, oh, yeah,

462
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Speaker 1: for the original name for this lab was Smallpox City.

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Speaker 1: Don't think they would do. So it's it's tough to

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Speaker 1: know what to believe. But I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: see support that it came from the US. And then

466
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Speaker 1: went to what was what what's the implication that was

467
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Speaker 1: transported surreptitiously to Wuhan and then deployed there? Is that

468
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Speaker 1: the idea? It's it's unclear. We have Matt please, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there there was. There are several narratives that have that

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Speaker 1: came out over you know, the last year or so,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of them had had to do with

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Speaker 1: the United States traveling a special envoy that traveled to

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Speaker 1: China and you know, then deployed it while they were there.

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Speaker 1: Then the virus spread in China to look like it

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Speaker 1: came from that area in Wuhan. Um. There are other

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Speaker 1: ones that former President Donald Trump, he would he and

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Speaker 1: many numerous others pointed to a very similar laboratory ian

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Speaker 1: Wuhan that remember we talked about this on a previous episode,

479
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Speaker 1: that is supposedly where the weapon version of this virus

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Speaker 1: was released. It's interesting to me. In this ap News

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Speaker 1: article they mentioned that, and the last sentence in this

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Speaker 1: article is in speaking on the Wuhan laboratory theory. There

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Speaker 1: here's the quote. While that theory has not been definitively

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Speaker 1: ruled out, many experts think it is unlikely, But isn't

485
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Speaker 1: that interesting that that's that's where the truth lies. Now

486
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: something has not been definitively ruled out, but most people

487
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: who know this stuff say it didn't happen. Well. But

488
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: but it's also like a pretty smart like if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna call into question, this narrative is a pretty good location.

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Speaker 1: This is already shrouded in some mystery. Like you said, Ben,

491
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Speaker 1: did they work with anthrax and ebola or didn't they? Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's we don't even know, you know, there's not even

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Speaker 1: So it's a really smart kind of way of you know,

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Speaker 1: doing a little bit of a switcheroo kind of situation

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00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: where people start to really question the truth if you

496
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: repeat it enough. Um, so you know, it's definitely a

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Speaker 1: tactic for sure, and we'll see if it actually you know,

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Speaker 1: has legs. But who is this for is my question?

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00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: Like it's for the Chinese people, right, it's too it's

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00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: to stir up anti American sentiment among Chinese citizens. It's

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00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: not like it's going to change anybody's mind over here

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00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: right now in the US. But that's I mean, that's

503
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: a very backburner demographic. This conversation is meant for people

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Speaker 1: in other regions of the world. Non NATO countries for instance.

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Speaker 1: It also gives some fuel to uh, it gives some

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Speaker 1: fuel to queue and on associated folks. Uh And and

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00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: it is like a lot of people don't understand this.

508
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: So the CDC does a lot of stuff, right. It's

509
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Speaker 1: also kind of a health inspector for some of these outfits.

510
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: And what happened here is that Fort Dietrich at high

511
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Speaker 1: level research, they failed some health inspection stuff, just like

512
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Speaker 1: a restaurant would, and a restaurant has to up its score.

513
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Speaker 1: So some stuff did go wrong there. But it's a

514
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: little bit of a leap to say that what went

515
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: wrong was also somehow necessarily means this group was in

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Speaker 1: secret creating uh COVID nineteen and then maybe based off

517
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Speaker 1: mirrors or something, and then shipping it worldwide like some

518
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: kind of uh evil version of FedEx. Uh. Yeah. But

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00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: then the t g I Fridays isn't handling infectious diseases

520
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, So there their health their health

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00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: ratings a little less important than the the laboratory. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, but the analogy it does a million percent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's sort of like, you know, you have

524
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Speaker 1: to do a little bit of damage control. You have

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00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: to steer the narrative a little bit and you know,

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00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: do some some pr trickery, and that's absolutely what this is.

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00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: Um point totally taken down about this mainly being directed

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Speaker 1: to other regions. Also worth mentioning that this lab was

529
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: doing some of the earliest research with that kind of

530
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: questionable cocktail of medication known as randes vir, which I

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00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: believe has since kind of been debunked as as an

532
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: effective treatment for the coronavirus, but it was something that

533
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: was being pushed pretty heavily, especially by the Trump administration. Yeah,

534
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: so if you believe that, if you believe that there

535
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Speaker 1: are some dastardly ne'er do wells at Fort Dietrich that

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Speaker 1: are responsible for COVID I, then wouldn't it make sense

537
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Speaker 1: that they would also be some of the first people

538
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: working on I mean, I again, I have seen utopia

539
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: now and they wrote this thing in or whatever year sixteen,

540
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: whatever year was, they wrote this entire thing telling you,

541
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: telling you well, definitely worth watching and seeing how this

542
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: plays out in the bigger picture. But uh, certainly interesting

543
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: to see China kind of clapping back after quite quite

544
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: a long time of you know, doing things like calling

545
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: it the China virus and the Wuhan flew and the

546
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: Kung flew and all that stuff, which again lots of

547
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: racist undertones and mother ing. And it's to your point, Matt,

548
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: in previous episodes, words have power, you know. Um, And

549
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: even if this is sort of a a little bit

550
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: of trickery, I mean, you can't really blame them for

551
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: trying to deflect some of this, especially yeah, right at

552
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: the end here, can we admit that we, the three

553
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: of us, don't know where where this virus originated or

554
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: where where it started, right, I certainly don't, and and

555
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: there is so much conflicting information out there and intelligence

556
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: from various countries intelligence agencies, that it is difficult to know.

557
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: And and you know, part of the giant struggle that

558
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: humanity itself is faced throughout this is figuring out really

559
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: where it began and how we can prevent this from

560
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: happening again. Um, I would just say, questions remain, and

561
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to be certain we can I would

562
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: be careful with I mean, this is why I've always

563
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: made that point about reading sources in language they use carefully.

564
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: The best we can say, now, the best anyone can

565
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: say publicly is that COVID nineteen stars code nineteen was

566
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: first identified in Wuhan. But be careful with that phrase,

567
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: because identified not the same thing as originating. We also,

568
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: you know, we're clearly misled by our own country as

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Speaker 1: to how early the virus was identified here. Oh yeah,

570
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: it's happening again with the new variants exactly right. So

571
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to, you know, be the one

572
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: suggesting don't trust anybody ever, but gosh, it's just that

573
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: we keep getting, you know, kind of fed a bill

574
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: of goods, you know, or sold a bill of goods.

575
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: You don't really get fed bills of guy as you could. Um.

576
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, it definitely calls a lot of the stuff

577
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: into question and makes it hard to have a to

578
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: to really know, which I think is what leads to

579
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: so much conspiracy theories, theorizing and things like you and

580
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: on and all of that because you can't really know.

581
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: So why not just you know, go down the rabbit

582
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: hole and get weird with it? It's weird. I've had

583
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: some really interesting conversations with some folks who got out

584
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: of the Q and On belief system, and I've been

585
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: debating whether I'm going to make contact with some folks

586
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: who are doubling down. We'll see one in the coming days.

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00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: I think you're right. It's a tough situation. Well, it's

588
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: a sunk cost fallacy, isn't it. Yeah. Well, and you

589
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: know a little teaser. Uh, we're having a conversation about

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00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: that very topic on this week's Listen to Mail episode.

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Speaker 1: All right, And in that note, we are going to

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00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: take a quick word from our sponsor and we'll be

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Speaker 1: right back with more strange news. And we are back,

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Speaker 1: and we are coming to you with some news that is,

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Speaker 1: at least the article that we're using as our primary

596
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: source here is new. But it's an ongoing situation that's

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00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: been developing for goodness over a year, uh in Mexico,

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Speaker 1: and it's something that US authorities and intelligence agencies have

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00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: been dealing with for longer than that. So i'll just

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Speaker 1: read you the headline here. It's coming from the Guardian.

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Speaker 1: It is outrage after Mexico exonerates X defense minister in

602
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: drug case. Okay, so X defense minister in some kind

603
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Speaker 1: of drug case. Well, the person we are going to

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00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: be talking about today is General Salvador Sian Fuegos. He

605
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Speaker 1: was arrested in October of while he was in the

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Speaker 1: United States at the loss at a Los Angeles airport,

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Speaker 1: and he was he was essentially being accused of being

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Speaker 1: this person known as the Godfather with regards to some

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Speaker 1: drug cartel activity within Mexico. It's a really tangled web here,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna try and get you, you know, walk

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00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: you through it as quickly as we can. So there's

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Speaker 1: another story that we're gonna refer to before we go

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Speaker 1: back to that original one. It's from a p It's

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Speaker 1: titled Mexico Clears General publishes US evidence against him. Okay.

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00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: So in this in this article, it describes exactly what

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Speaker 1: evidence the United States officials had against this general to Fuegos,

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Speaker 1: and it's essentially conversations between known associates of a cartel.

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Speaker 1: They're talking on blackberries and they were intercepted by the U.

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Speaker 1: S forces. And I'm going to read from this ap

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Speaker 1: article to get you up to speed here. Uh, there

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Speaker 1: were documents that the United States government released these. Uh.

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Speaker 1: These include intercepted text messages between the leader of the

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Speaker 1: H two cartel based in the Pacific Coast state of

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Speaker 1: Nayarite and a top aid who allegedly served as a

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Speaker 1: go between with this group, the H two Cartel, and

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Speaker 1: the General. This general was often referred to as the

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Speaker 1: Godfather and at one point as Salvador sin Fuego Cepeda.

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Speaker 1: There is one exchange where this person told his boss

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Speaker 1: that he had been picked up by men with short

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Speaker 1: military style haircuts and was taken to the Defense Department

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Speaker 1: headquarters in me Pico City for a meeting with quote

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Speaker 1: the Godfather. And this guy tells his boss that the

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Speaker 1: Godfather let him know, uh that you're we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: big things now. What we've done before was small time.

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Speaker 1: And he says that as long as the Godfather is here,

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Speaker 1: you will be free, that they will never carry out

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00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: strong operations or raids. And there's more to this, and

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Speaker 1: you can read all of it if you go to

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Speaker 1: that that article I mentioned there on the ap But

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Speaker 1: it appears that there there was some kind of evidence

641
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: that was taken up in uh, you know, eavesdropping on

642
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: communications that was pointing to this person called the Godfather.

643
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: And in one exchange they actually have a person mentioned

644
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Speaker 1: this this general, General Salvador Sian Fuegos as the Godfather.

645
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: So I guess they believed that all of this intelligence

646
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, together meant that this guy was probably the

647
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: person they were looking for. So the US picked him

648
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 1: up in Los Angeles and they tried to essentially make

649
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: this uh, make this case stick and charge him with

650
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: some of these things. But it ended up not going

651
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: that way, and he was released back to UH to Mexico,

652
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: and then Mexico dropped all the charges. And that's what

653
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: this original article is all about. Um, how upset some

654
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: of the general public is at the thought that their government,

655
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: at the highest the most upper echelons of their government

656
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: could be working with drug cartels to ship money and

657
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: drugs and whatever else between you know, Mexico and Colombia,

658
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: Mexico and the United States and all these other countries,

659
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: and to do it with impunity, and then when one

660
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: of the top people gets caught, nothing happens to them

661
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: because they're above the law. Yeah. This is like just

662
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: just for comparison, and this is like the US Secretary

663
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: of Defense getting caught aiding and abetting domestic terrorism and

664
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: then not getting fired. It's like Canada catching the U

665
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: s Secretary of Defense helping terrorists, UH in a way

666
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: that affects Canada, they go against it, They drop the

667
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: charges and handed back to the U S. And the

668
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: U S says, well, you know we're done here. Yeah,

669
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: everything's fine. I was so excited that you made that

670
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: comparisons exactly what it is. Well, this is so there's

671
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: there's context here too that I don't want to lose.

672
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: One of the big pieces is from what I understand,

673
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: and correct me if I'm off base here, Matt, from

674
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: what I understand, the president of Mexico, obrah Door, was

675
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: super piste that the US didn't tell Mexican officials that

676
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: they were doing this investigation in the first place, which

677
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: goes to the larger concern. Now over Door was a

678
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: fan of the Trump administration. But that doesn't mean you

679
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: can't get riled up about stuff, right. So the thing

680
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: here that's fascinating is there is a a not insignificant

681
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: implication that the that the US government or factions thereof

682
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: may feel that the Mexican government is entirely compromised by cartel's.

683
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean this is it's also not a crazy as

684
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories go. It's not super crazy because cartels, you know,

685
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: make a lot of money and they have compromised multiple

686
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: police forces, multiple security forces. They control seventy of the

687
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: drugs coming into the US. They're not hard up for cash,

688
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: and they're not hard up for influence. No, no compunction

689
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: about brutal retaliation. Well, yeah, I can totally see that.

690
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: There's a flip side to it too, though that I

691
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: think we've we've thought about and discussed on this show before.

692
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: If the major actions that are being taken by Cartel's,

693
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: if they were just manufacturing drugs and trafficking drugs, then

694
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: you could save a lot of lives and a lot

695
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: of money by just allowing that action to take place.

696
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: That rather than having, you know, a military force that

697
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: is not trained to fight a drug war, but trained

698
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: to fight battles as a military. This is the point

699
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: that the general had made several times, like I'm leading,

700
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm leading a war effort that we were not trained

701
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: to do. Is he was, he's very anti drug war. God,

702
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: I'm kind of getting off track here, But if you

703
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: allowed for those actions to take place, you could save

704
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: money and you could save lives. Um and by by

705
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: having this you know, war on drugs within Mexico, you

706
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: are in a way creating a lot the bloodshed. If

707
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: it were not for the in fighting between you know,

708
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: between different cartels where there's lots and lots of bloodshed

709
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: occurring there, where there's danger to citizens a lot of

710
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: the times because of that bloodshed. Uh, you do need

711
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: it does feel like you do need a protectionary protection

712
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: force essentially like a military to have these operations. God,

713
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: I kind of got lost in my thoughts there, but

714
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: but essentially it's just there's there's a case to be

715
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: made for allowing drug trafficking to occur to prevent violence,

716
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: but then that doesn't stop the effects of that the

717
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: drugs have on communities wherever they end up. Sure, yeah,

718
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: but those policies we should we should point out places

719
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: uh that have decriminalized or legalized various substances. Uh. Those

720
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: those policies are also implemented hand in hand with support

721
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: network policies, right like treatment centers, rehabs, stuff like that.

722
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: This it definitely feels like there's a political tent to

723
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: this story that I'm not fully aware of. Because for

724
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: anybody who's wondering how often does this happen, It's it's

725
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: pretty rare for the US law enforcement apparatus to drop

726
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: drug trafficking charges like this. This guy, the general, was

727
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: the highest military official in the land at one point

728
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: in the in the government of Mexico. And so there

729
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: are a lot of international observers who are saying that

730
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: this was a on the U S side, that this

731
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: was clearly a political decision to try to preserve the

732
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: overall relationship and cooperation between the two countries. But it's

733
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: strange because when Mexico dropped the charges, the latest news

734
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: is that the US is considering picking those charges back up.

735
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: So I wonder, I wonder what they're really fighting about. Right,

736
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: it does feel bigger, It really does feel bigger. And

737
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: there's another piece of that's been according to the end

738
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: of this AP News article, they are saying that Mexico's

739
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: Congress very recently passed a law which is going to

740
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: restrict US agents, like intelligence agents, from being within Mexico. So,

741
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: like I'm assuming reducing the number of operations that can

742
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: occur there and how they would handle that. And also

743
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: while they are in Mexico on their soil, they would

744
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: remove the diplomatic community that they would usually be given.

745
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 1: Uh And we've talked about before on the show about

746
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: what diplomatic community gives you We've recently talked about it

747
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 1: with Saudi Arabian citizens who are in the United States

748
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: and what that means. Diplomatic communities not quite as powerful

749
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: as being a Saudi Arabian citizen in the US almost

750
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: it's around there. Uh, it's definitely. The problem is when

751
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: comparing the two, the diplomatic immunity obeys laws. Uh. That's

752
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: that's the primary differentiation there between the treatment. But but

753
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: you're right, stuff you should know, by the way, has

754
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: a great episode on diplomatic community for anybody wants to

755
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: learn more. Uh, there's a solid argument in the case

756
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: of this type of law enforcement that some degree of

757
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: immunity is requisite to accomplish the job and the objectives.

758
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: But still, you know, it's the war on drugs. It's

759
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: a huge bag of badgers. It's made a ton of money. Uh,

760
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: it's made a ton of money for the people who

761
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: claim to be fighting against drugs. Right. I don't think

762
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: you I don't think that's a controversial claim here in

763
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: and Uncle Sam made billions off of the drug war,

764
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: and that is one of the that is one of

765
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: the factors that makes it easy to not trust the

766
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: official narrative because it's been proven false and intentionally misleading before.

767
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, drugs just me so much money.

768
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: And you're right, Matt, if there were a situation where

769
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: things are decriminalized, if not recreationalized, then what we've seen

770
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: happen so far is that it's not the end of society.

771
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: It's just a different group of people making drug money.

772
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: Someone's always going to be making money off of drugs.

773
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: Someone will always be doing that. It doesn't matter what

774
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: buzz phrases we use. The big question is who likes this,

775
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: Who who benefits from the status quo as it stands now,

776
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: would benefit if the status quo change? And what kind

777
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: of favors did the general call in? What do you

778
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: think he made some phone calls, he had to write,

779
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: or he's got some dirt. I don't know. I'm I'm

780
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: sure um um if the the only thing here, Ben

781
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: is that this isn't the first time it's happened, um.

782
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: The previous the predecessor of san Fuegos was Genaro Garcia Luna,

783
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: who was arrested in Texas in December twenty nineteen on

784
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: charges of taking giant bribes from the Sonola cartel in

785
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: order to help them ship drugs into the US. So

786
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: it may just be a systemic thing or a position.

787
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: Once you get up to that position, you're kind of

788
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: the godfather. Okay, okay, kind of like if you're the president,

789
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: every plane you ride in is automatically Air Force one. Yeah,

790
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: kind of like that. I was not aware of their Luna. No,

791
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: what do you think about this report? Do you do

792
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: you agree there's something more to the story or do

793
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: you think it's just I don't know what's you take.

794
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm kind of with you. It does feel

795
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: a little bit like something is being obscured here. I

796
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: have no idea what it is, but it's certainly another

797
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: one to watch. I would say, yeah, yeah. And and

798
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: just before you go thinking, oh, it's just weed or something, UM,

799
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: just give you what Seine Fougos was accused of. Uh.

800
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: He's accused of conspiring with HD cartel to smuggle thousands

801
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: of kilos, so thousands of kilos of cocaine, heroin, meth,

802
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: and marijuana into the U s. And that was from

803
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve two thousand and eighteen while he was

804
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: Defense Secretary. Smuggling meth that's unusual. Usually that stuff made domestically.

805
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: That's that's interesting. And you can see, uh, you can

806
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: see video footage of some of the some of the

807
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: things being caught. I believe it's on that the al

808
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 1: Jazeer article that I looked at for this, it's called

809
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: Mexico x Defense minister arrested in US on drug charges.

810
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: Oh by the way, one thousand kilos for anybody in

811
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: the US is a little more than one ton. So

812
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: these are these are literal tons and tons of drugs. Yeah,

813
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: that's a lot of street doses right there. I can't imagine. God,

814
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: super interesting. Fine, Matt, Yeah, well, you know who who

815
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: cares if if the heads of government can can run

816
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: drugs the way we kind of think for a while,

817
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what are you gonna do? Does check

818
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: out opium productions? To check out the poppy productions in Afghanistan?

819
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: Look a look at the dip under the Taliban and

820
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: then look at the rise later. Uh. Stuff they don't

821
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: want me to think about. So I can sleep at night,

822
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: not saying it's one one to one, solidly proven thing,

823
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: but heard from so many members of the military who

824
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: have told us, you know, we had to protect these

825
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: crops um. It's yeah, there's there's definitely more of the story,

826
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: and you know who really cares about it? I bet

827
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: this is a question I would ask towards the end, Matt,

828
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: I bet Salvador cares. What's he doing now? What's he

829
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: doing right now? Does he listen to the show? No,

830
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: he's chilling. He's retired though, right, so it's time. He's

831
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: good to go. He's no, he's he's reading something on

832
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: a porch somewhere. He was cleared of all all charges,

833
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: right January fourteenth, not too long ago as we record this.

834
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: Uh so he might still be celebrating. I can totally

835
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: imagine him just finding a yacht somewhere. Drug sub I'm sorry. Sorry.

836
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: His successor is currently in office, one Louis Gonzales, and

837
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's been referred to as the godfather. Um,

838
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm serious to your point about maybe every secretary becoming

839
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: a godfather automatically is interesting. I don't know. I doubt it.

840
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: I seriously doubt it. I think you had to earn

841
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: that place, you know, the general in the defense Minister

842
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: is a title, but earning godfather is probably something a

843
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: little different. Um. But it is weird. It is weird

844
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: to think that top cartel officials, god top cartel members

845
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: would be visiting with a defense minister. That's a that's

846
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: a tough pill to swallow. Yeah, all right, well that

847
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: I think that's enough for it for this, because if

848
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: if you have any information on this, hey, did you

849
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: work with the Godfather? You want to tell us a story,

850
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: we're here. You can talk to us unless it will

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