WEBVTT - Ep. 001 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:05.119 This is the Meat Eater podcast. We're recording out of Ketchikan, Alaska, 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:12.000 along the famed Inside Passage. We're actually specifically recording in 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:14.680 what I considered to be my favorite hotel in the 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.200 United States of America, the Super Eight of ketch Can, Alaska, 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.480 in which Dan Doty, who's here, we'll get to him 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:22.040 in a minute. 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:23.599 It's actually the worst hotel ever. 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:26.960 Yeah, I had no idea. I've been staying here for 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.280 a decade and then Dan Doty and staying here with 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.440 Dan Doty different rooms for a decade, and he just 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.320 revealed me that it is least favorite hotel in the 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:36.839 whole place. This, however you feel about the Super eight, 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:42.400 Ketchcan is a rough, rough town. If you like feeling 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.880 like you if you like going out and then coming 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.960 home and feeling like you almost just got your ass kicked, 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.680 ketch Caan' is a good place to go, I think 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.720 because the town has walled in, Like if you back up, 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.440 you're in the mountains. You go forward, you're in the ocean. 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:01.200 The road here doesn't connect any hihighway system, and people 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.560 feel like real uh like they get the feeling a 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.399 little cooped up and catch a can and they all 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:12.120 are like ambush hunters waiting for something new to roll 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:17.920 into town to pounce on them. It goes fast. Like 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.400 one of the guys who worked with MO one time 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.160 got you know, a woman came up to him to 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:29.039 criticize him about how much his rain jacket costs, you know, 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.280 and that was like she was like nagging him. It 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.039 was like her way of picking him up would be 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.200 to go ridicule him. But usually you go to the 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:39.440 bar and a guy will come up like he wants 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.000 to hang out, but in fact he wants to beat 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:46.680 you up. Brought to you today by SOG Knives and 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.360 Tool the company SOD got to start this. This guy 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.800 is this guy the designer, still the designer now, this guy, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:58.400 Spencer Frasier, was used to build these replica knives of 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.720 the knives used by the Special Opera Rations Group in Vietnam, 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.440 like their combat knife, And he started doing that and 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.720 it slowly built this company out. So he has it's 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.280 a huge array of tactical knives and tools that are 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.760 super popular with military and law enforcement personnel. And now 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.720 they've got like a great line of hunting knives and 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:22.360 tools out. I mean, they got everything from hatchets to machetes. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.160 Brian Cowen, who's here? How do you say that? 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.160 In Spanish? 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.520 I have a souvenir Meat Eater hunting knife. You don't have. 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.400 It's only there's only two or three of those in exist. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.639 I have a I was given on the first Yeah. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.480 Yeah, I have one of those too. I have one 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:41.720 of those two, but I have one with the meat 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.000 Eater logo. You don't have one of those. You know 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:45.919 how I know because he gave it to me. You 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.600 got really sad you were there? 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.359 Okay, obviously you've been in my knife chest. That's interesting 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.600 because I don't don't remember you ever being in my mind. 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:59.440 Do something rude you. I should have saved it for 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.280 ketch a can. Yeah, well I would have done something 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:03.680 rude to you in a bar and catch game. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:05.760 You whether you don't know whether I went to the 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.000 offices and the head brass at Meat Eater and they 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.119 made one specially, you don't know that for sure. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:13.160 Excuse me? 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.840 What's the name of the production company? Production company? Yeah, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.919 the name of the production Is this a court of law? 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.520 Now? If the place that you would go to if 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:27.240 you have machets, fixed blades, folding knives and in my 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:33.600 opinion probably the not probably the best and most versatile 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.520 line of multi tools out there. Definitely the best player 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.520 ever mounted on a multi tool. And there's a lot 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.600 of other great innovations they put on these things too 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.920 mad for me to really get into. But just the 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.080 one that's interesting is on a sock multi tool you 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:52.280 can actually take like just regular household tools and disassemble 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.640 the thing, you know, using a torque bit or an 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.280 aland but you can pull it out and then customize 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.640 the blade configurations to match up with what you want 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.760 it for. I made mine. I call mine the Super 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:08.920 Big Game Deluxe. I haven't pattened to that yet. 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If Joe Rogan did not exist, you 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.920 would not be listening to this podcast right now because 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.880 Joe Rogan was my inspiration. 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:03.479 He's a pioneer. 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.039 He's a pioneer in podcasting. Were you doing podcasting before 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:08.080 they called it podcasting? 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.480 No, they've been. I think they started calling it podcasting 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:16.280 when the iPod was invented. I believe the term was 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.240 invented by Adam Curry, the guy who is the MTV 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.320 VJ who has a show now called No Agenda that 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:27.599 he does. I'm pretty sure he invented the term podcasting. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.960 He might have invented podcasting itself. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.440 Is he the guy that's now? Is there like a thing? 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.480 I remember you were involved, like someone was trying to. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:36.560 Lawsuit? 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:37.279 Yeah? 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.920 Did that ever get resolved favorably? It's a podcaster, Yes 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:44.440 it did. It's called their patent trolls. They essentially wanted 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.360 to get a patent. This is the paraphrase version of 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:51.280 it that they they had a patent on things put 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:56.400 online in a serialized form, which is so ambiguous and vague. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.839 But they were patent trolls. They had done this before 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.920 sued Apple for a lot of money. I think they 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.560 won several million dollars from Apple. But a company like 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.200 Apple just says, fuck it, I'll just give you the 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.520 money to shut your whole. Like it's worth more to 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.800 give them seven million dollars than it is to get 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.120 Tim Cook and all these guys to go to court somewhere. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.400 But they must have I mean, I don't want to 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.360 get into this. It's you grade detail as I mean, 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.919 it's interesting to us. But they must have had some 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:22.520 kind of argument. 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:22.960 Doubt. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:24.839 Apple just hands out money to anyone who comes up. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.359 Like if I came up and said, hey man, my 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.120 iPod kind of burnt my hand, They're not going to 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.159 give me seven million dollars. 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.240 I don't know what they had what they had with Apple. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.520 I don't know what the lawsuit was based on. But 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.240 the lawsuit that they were suing Adam Carola and several 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:44.800 other podcasters was unbelievably ridiculous. And the judges were you know, 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.960 they have they go through some before they have the 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.920 actual trial, They go through some sort of a meeting 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.640 when they sit down with legal representatives. They explained their case, 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.920 and you know, the judges reviewed it, so there's nothing here. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:06:59.920 Was that right? And yeah? 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.200 And then they and then still still done it. 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.279 They still well, I don't know about Apple, this is 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.719 with Adam Corolla, and they still wanted to press forward. There. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.200 What they do essentially is they forced people to spend 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.440 exhorbitant amounts of money in legal fees. Adam Carolla spent 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.960 more than half a million dollars fighting this and there 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.680 was almost no case. But that's the idea. It's like, 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.520 do you want to spend this or do you want 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.720 to just pay us twenty bucks a month? And then 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.760 everybody has to pay twenty bucks a month, so every part, 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.640 you know, whatever the number is, they choose. So that's 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.320 how they do it. But they in part of the 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.760 agreement that they signed when they abandoned the case, they 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.760 agreed to settle with Adam Kroller and they agreed to 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:43.680 not go after any other podcast. Specifically my podcast was listed. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.080 There's like a bunch that they listed they will not 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.000 pursue legal action. So really, yeah, but I would have 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:51.160 had to do the same thing. I would have had 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.360 to spend fuck a loos of money. So I helped 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.040 Adam Croll raise some money for it. 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:56.240 That's what I remember seeing that. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.680 Yeah, the whole thing is ridiculous. 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:04.680 Also joined by the labbyan lover. You guys know what 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.920 Jannis used to go by, Janni's long tongue. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.920 Who tell us from from when he worked at a 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:13.240 long tom. 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.040 Do you wish you had told me that story? Because 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.960 he worked at at what you work at. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.640 Long tongue Italian restaurant. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.840 Beaver Creek, Colorado, and then and then got fired from 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.440 that and had a long illustrious career as a as 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.400 an elk guide before getting swept up into show business. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:34.760 Got good length of bone and. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:38.920 Has a labban power ring. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.920 Mean, look at his power ring. 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.840 His brother wears one too. If they touch him as sparks, 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:53.000 it's a Jann just to prove. Just say say if 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.520 you say we're going across the strait to hunt black 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:01.600 tailed deer on that island over there in Laban's. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:06.840 Eat, Uh leaders and lead machine pot a wooden scubble, uh, 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:15.120 mount steering us and mount i'm ustin black taired deal. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:16.959 Black tailed deer is a tough one. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.400 We don't have to let you said black tail deer. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.680 And and joined by. 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:24.840 It was fake. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:26.000 It was a fake language. 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:28.800 You can't do that. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:35.959 Super eight hate and Dan, who's also been on jokes. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:37.080 It's been negative about Dan. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.679 It's been like, uh, this place is terrible and by 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.360 the way, where we're going, it's going to be really 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:42.800 cold and wet and miserable. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:43.640 This whole thing. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:49.920 So well, judging by that, this is fine. This is fine. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.439 If I mean, if this is terrible, then and I 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.319 put it on a scale and compelled this to the 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.000 the mountain that we're going to. 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.680 I'm aware I've been a little negative about this, and 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.319 I'm I don't want to be that way. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.360 But there's something, there is something first class. You're sitting 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.839 up there with all the kings and queens and royalty, 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.200 and we're back there with the peasants code. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:11.920 You're a natural. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.040 Understand I understand where you're coming from. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:16.199 Now, there's something hard. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.920 There is something about this place that just has been 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:21.640 here a bunch. We've been here a bunch. It's been 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:22.880 four years now, we've been coming. 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.959 Yeah, he's been kind of more more than suddenly trying 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.760 to put the put the end to this trip. No, no, no, 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.640 it's just like he's like, we kind of I think Dan, 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.880 we've got something online and we've filmed the piss out 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:36.400 of that place? 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.640 Is it because it's your not you have your cabin 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:42.240 up here? Not this? 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.360 Also? I just love it. I love it because I 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.040 honestly I feel like it feels really nice weather I 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:49.360 wouldn't like as much as I like it. 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:51.040 Yeah, you're a weirdo like that. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.160 I love it and not enjoy bad weather. I just 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:59.199 love it because there's something about there's just there's something 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.520 about just like a place that just is probably just 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:02.680 gonna kick your ass. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.960 You like struggle, you know. And it was highlighted in 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.280 that recent Elk episode that I watched. This is fucking 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.640 giant beautiful? Am I allowed to swear on your podcast? Okay, 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.360 we'll make an exception. Are you gonna beep beep it? 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:19.440 Or this isn't like this isn't like the like a tube. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.600 Like a TV. You you had this beautiful Elk in 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.120 your sights and you decided not to shoot it because 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:27.760 you wanted to see what else was out there and 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.360 you felt like it came too easy shoot. I would 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:31.000 have shot that. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.680 I had opposite of you, I had just shot at Elk. 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.920 What I didn't get into is I had just shot 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.840 at elk not the Kentucky I had just shot out. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:49.360 Whatever, so fucking ended that thing. Right there, ladies and gentlemen, 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.920 this show is four. I would have sack opposite. I 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.800 never think like this is too easy. When things come 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.199 along to eas I go, fucking great, let's wrap this up, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.920 get out of here. I love it when things come easy. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.400 I don't ever feel like I have to work extra hard. 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.480 For I hope I nailed two deers in the first 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.079 five minutes tomorrow. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.480 I hope they line up. I hope both my tags 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.960 line up where they're both eating grass at the same time, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.080 and I get one headshot and take both of them. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.079 Out right from the tent. 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.280 Just boom, get up in the morning. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.079 Sh let's go crabbing. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:23.600 Boom. Let's eat trimp. 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:25.600 Let's eat some trimp and crab. 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:26.120 Yeah. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:26.600 I don't. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.600 Yeah, I know what you're saying, because I do like 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.880 I want it to be. I never go somewhere to 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.440 thinking like, oh I want it to be bad, Like 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.560 I don't go honey, like like I hope it's really 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.599 hard and it's bad. I always hope it's good. And 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.840 there's tons of animals everywhere, but you like to earn 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.240 it after the fact. 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:43.479 You're a bit of a monsochist. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:47.920 You are a maist. Well, I think what you are 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.800 is someone who appreciates hard work and effort, and you 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.720 also appreciate going to places that are difficult to hunt. 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.080 You like going in to high mountain areas that are 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.040 difficult to hike. You know, there's there's a lot that 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:03.960 you you have an ethic, and I think that ethic 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.360 it's it's a good thing. It's a good thing that 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.720 you have this. But you're you're very extreme with your ethics, 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.760 your morals, your ideals and these things. It's a very 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:14.280 romanticized version of it. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:14.560 Me. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:16.480 I'm looking to kill ship and need it. 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:22.160 I will say, though, I will say that that that 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.000 I got more. I had a really good time in Wisconsin, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.400 but I got I had a much more satisfying feeling 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:32.840 at the end of the Montana trip because of the cold, 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:37.840 the discomfort, the tent, the hiking, the pack in that meet. 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.719 Out and you got that idea in the last day 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.400 and I got. 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.720 Everything felt like a struggle and I didn't really I 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:44.760 wasn't too vocal about it. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.480 I froze my ass off because. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:51.560 I hadn't learned how to I couldn't. 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:52.000 Layer up enough. 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:56.320 And finally, Ryan Collins, you never brought this up YouTube video. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.000 You just complained about the cold. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:13:58.600 Oh is that right? 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.400 Okay, well, maybe I'm just a whiner, but I remember 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.280 being so cold and Ryan told me take a hot 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.120 water bottle, put it in your botom and your sleeping bag. 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.720 Changed everything. But for the first two nights I was 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:09.440 not sleeping. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:14.440 Man. If you put his Mustang an extra warm, no question, 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.920 he just shot it. Speaking to him, bless his heart, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:22.840 he just shot an elk with his uh, with his 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.400 his old timing. I mistakenly called it like I always 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.880 think of everything besides the compound, a stickball, A couple 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:28.440 of guys. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.840 He's a great guy. Sorry he's not here. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:36.760 Quick note though, on enjoying hard hunts, I think it's 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.840 a part of the progression of all hunters. And you 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.080 might get there one day too. And I know a 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.040 lot of old guys that would love to every season 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.720 hunt every single day of the season because they enjoyed 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.280 the hunt and to sit in there, stand to be cold, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.320 to watch birds and all that, and to kill their 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:55.600 deer on the last day. That would be their perfect season. 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:57.960 Yeah. I appreciate it. Tough hunt, and I appreciate you 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.040 guys coming on again because I you know, I realized 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.080 this the other day without even really trying to. We're 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.040 sort of doing be honest. Is there a thing? Is 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.840 there a Grand Slam version for deer? So people like 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.200 people aren't familiar with the whole Grand Slam concept, which 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:16.520 isn't a difficult concept to understand. All these different animals 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:21.400 have like like a Grand Slam type thing. So with turkeys, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:27.600 you would do a grand A Grand Slam for turkeys 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:34.720 would be you choot an Eastern turkey, a Ostiola turkey, 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:41.400 a Rio grand, and a Miriam's. It's a Grand Slam. Now, 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.040 then there's the soup. Do you know how these go? 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.320 Super Slam then World. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:51.440 Slam Super Slam for turkeys, which I which I like 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:55.640 almost accidentally completed up till the end is you add 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.600 a Goulds turkey and you hunt Goulds in Arizona and 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:01.800 in mac most people who do it going down to Mexico, 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.400 and then you got the World Slam, which is when 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.240 you step outside of turkeiness, outside of the like, here's 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:12.880 the thing. All those turkeys, all those turkeys are the 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.280 like North American turkey, you know, and geneticists don't even 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.000 really acknowledge the differences between all these things. But then 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:22.479 there's another one, the oscillated, which is a whole different species. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.880 It's like the second turkey species is the oscillated, which 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.040 is down in Yucatan. So you go kill him and 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.600 you got the turkey world slam. Having done this, when 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.160 I explain this to some of my friends, they think 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.160 it's the stupidest thing on the planet, you know. But 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:46.080 for sheep, it's like it's doll sheep, stone sheep, rocky mountain, 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:51.960 big horn, desert, binghorn is the sheep whatever slam is 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:52.680 there a dear one? 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:53.920 I think. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.000 So what I'm getting at is you boys, you're getting 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:00.320 terribly close. If we have a successful hunt when we 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.960 cross the strait and go out to the island, then 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:04.919 we go for cous Yeah, because then you got like 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.720 a white tail. So you got a white tail, muleer, 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.520 white tail. Sick of black tail. I think you gotta 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.600 do Columbia black tail and maybe a coups deer. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.240 Yeah, Columbia black tail in my yard. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.880 Yeah, you'll get that whenever you want. What they think 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:26.879 had like again, geneticists kind of like rewrite all this stuff. 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.200 But now they think that like that that all these 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.480 things like the Columbia black tail, the sick of black tail, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.480 the mule deer all I mean, they're they're listed as 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.960 one species. A lot of people don't recognize them as subspecies, 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:38.639 which is totally bizarre because he's deer out here when 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.640 you walk up to be stunned how small they are? 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:42.960 Oh, you mean the ones in Alaska the. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.159 Sick of black tails are small? Why they so. 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.399 Small they can serve heat better or what? 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:52.120 No, it's weird. Yeah, the big deer, like the big 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:56.400 deer from the north, like the ones in like Saskatchewan. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:01.000 Giants el bird. Yeah, that's your big white tails. Bergman's principle. 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:02.800 But there's a couple of things about Bergman's rule or 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:08.000 Bergman's principle. So, yeah, mammals tend to be larger at 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.920 the northern extreme of their range in the northern hemisphere, 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.360 then to be larger because it has the heat dissipation 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:18.280 heat retention. But they find that mule deer tend to 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.560 not adhere to that quite as strictly as white tails do. 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:23.960 So you look at a key like a deer, A 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.240 white tailed deer in the keys very very small, you know, 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.600 one hundred pounds of these Lucky Florida keys. Yeah. White 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.640 tail deer in Alberta two hundred and fifty pounds is giants. 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:34.560 So so is that same. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.760 The bigger the person, the better they are conserving heat. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.760 Yeah, that's why a bigger person, bigger person conservative. 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.200 Why is it that those Mexican deer that you see 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.000 on television all the time, blacktail or white tail, and 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:55.280 those and mule deer, they're giant? Are they bringing America? 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.359 Can the white tails from Mexico small? 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.359 Okay, I'm just seeing ones on television shows. 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.200 No, they're like but they're small bodied. And the mule 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.280 deer down there get big antlers. And that's what I'm saying. Muleier. 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.719 Some muleier don't conform to that rule quite as strictly 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:12.560 as other things do. But what you do find is 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.440 the mule deer, like what you say, the desert mule 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.000 deer is gonna have bigger ears, and the ears are 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.560 great for heat retention dissipation. Like you look at the 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.440 wooly mammoth. Wooly mammoth like a big elephant, right, little 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.440 shit in ears, like barely any ear on that thing. 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.639 The Africa's he's a cold climate elephant. You look at 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.639 the African elephant, I mean giant ears for that. Another 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:33.639 place animals lose a lot of heat is inside of 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.440 their legs, so you always know the hairs thin there. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.240 You can stand up to dissipate heat, lay down to 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.080 collect to retain heat. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:41.800 Huh. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.560 But yet another principle plays in. It's like sick of 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:50.119 black tails are a coastal and often predominantly the island critter, 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:54.240 and for whatever reason, mammals on islands tend to tend 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:59.080 toward dwarf ism, reptails on islands tend toward gargantuanism. 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.600 Well then what what happens with those giant bears? 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:06.240 The Kodiak bear, Yeah, that's an exception for sure, except. 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.280 He just had so much access to to salmon, I 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:12.320 would imagine, yeah, me, whereas a highland bear like brown bears, 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.480 and you know, the mountainous regions are like six hundred 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.600