Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater podcast. We're recording out of Ketchikan, Alaska,
Speaker 1: along the famed Inside Passage. We're actually specifically recording in
Speaker 1: what I considered to be my favorite hotel in the
Speaker 1: United States of America, the Super Eight of ketch Can, Alaska,
Speaker 1: in which Dan Doty, who's here, we'll get to him
Speaker 1: in a minute.
Speaker 2: It's actually the worst hotel ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no idea. I've been staying here for
Speaker 1: a decade and then Dan Doty and staying here with
Speaker 1: Dan Doty different rooms for a decade, and he just
Speaker 1: revealed me that it is least favorite hotel in the
Speaker 1: whole place. This, however you feel about the Super eight,
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Speaker 1: ketch Caan' is a good place to go, I think
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Speaker 1: The road here doesn't connect any hihighway system, and people
Speaker 1: feel like real uh like they get the feeling a
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Speaker 1: one of the guys who worked with MO one time
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Speaker 1: the beautiful and Lovely Brian, the Kid Count, and the
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Speaker 1: would not be listening to this podcast right now because
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan was my inspiration.
Speaker 3: He's a pioneer.
Speaker 1: He's a pioneer in podcasting. Were you doing podcasting before
Speaker 1: they called it podcasting?
Speaker 4: No, they've been. I think they started calling it podcasting
Speaker 4: when the iPod was invented. I believe the term was
Speaker 4: invented by Adam Curry, the guy who is the MTV
Speaker 4: VJ who has a show now called No Agenda that
Speaker 4: he does. I'm pretty sure he invented the term podcasting.
Speaker 4: He might have invented podcasting itself.
Speaker 1: Is he the guy that's now? Is there like a thing?
Speaker 1: I remember you were involved, like someone was trying to.
Speaker 4: Lawsuit?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Did that ever get resolved favorably? It's a podcaster, Yes
Speaker 4: it did. It's called their patent trolls. They essentially wanted
Speaker 4: to get a patent. This is the paraphrase version of
Speaker 4: it that they they had a patent on things put
Speaker 4: online in a serialized form, which is so ambiguous and vague.
Speaker 4: But they were patent trolls. They had done this before
Speaker 4: sued Apple for a lot of money. I think they
Speaker 4: won several million dollars from Apple. But a company like
Speaker 4: Apple just says, fuck it, I'll just give you the
Speaker 4: money to shut your whole. Like it's worth more to
Speaker 4: give them seven million dollars than it is to get
Speaker 4: Tim Cook and all these guys to go to court somewhere.
Speaker 1: But they must have I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 1: get into this. It's you grade detail as I mean,
Speaker 1: it's interesting to us. But they must have had some
Speaker 1: kind of argument.
Speaker 4: Doubt.
Speaker 1: Apple just hands out money to anyone who comes up.
Speaker 1: Like if I came up and said, hey man, my
Speaker 1: iPod kind of burnt my hand, They're not going to
Speaker 1: give me seven million dollars.
Speaker 4: I don't know what they had what they had with Apple.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the lawsuit was based on. But
Speaker 4: the lawsuit that they were suing Adam Carola and several
Speaker 4: other podcasters was unbelievably ridiculous. And the judges were you know,
Speaker 4: they have they go through some before they have the
Speaker 4: actual trial, They go through some sort of a meeting
Speaker 4: when they sit down with legal representatives. They explained their case,
Speaker 4: and you know, the judges reviewed it, so there's nothing here.
Speaker 4: Was that right? And yeah?
Speaker 1: And then they and then still still done it.
Speaker 4: They still well, I don't know about Apple, this is
Speaker 4: with Adam Corolla, and they still wanted to press forward. There.
Speaker 4: What they do essentially is they forced people to spend
Speaker 4: exhorbitant amounts of money in legal fees. Adam Carolla spent
Speaker 4: more than half a million dollars fighting this and there
Speaker 4: was almost no case. But that's the idea. It's like,
Speaker 4: do you want to spend this or do you want
Speaker 4: to just pay us twenty bucks a month? And then
Speaker 4: everybody has to pay twenty bucks a month, so every part,
Speaker 4: you know, whatever the number is, they choose. So that's
Speaker 4: how they do it. But they in part of the
Speaker 4: agreement that they signed when they abandoned the case, they
Speaker 4: agreed to settle with Adam Kroller and they agreed to
Speaker 4: not go after any other podcast. Specifically my podcast was listed.
Speaker 4: There's like a bunch that they listed they will not
Speaker 4: pursue legal action. So really, yeah, but I would have
Speaker 4: had to do the same thing. I would have had
Speaker 4: to spend fuck a loos of money. So I helped
Speaker 4: Adam Croll raise some money for it.
Speaker 1: That's what I remember seeing that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole thing is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Also joined by the labbyan lover. You guys know what
Speaker 1: Jannis used to go by, Janni's long tongue.
Speaker 4: Who tell us from from when he worked at a
Speaker 4: long tom.
Speaker 1: Do you wish you had told me that story? Because
Speaker 1: he worked at at what you work at.
Speaker 2: Long tongue Italian restaurant.
Speaker 1: Beaver Creek, Colorado, and then and then got fired from
Speaker 1: that and had a long illustrious career as a as
Speaker 1: an elk guide before getting swept up into show business.
Speaker 3: Got good length of bone and.
Speaker 1: Has a labban power ring.
Speaker 4: Mean, look at his power ring.
Speaker 1: His brother wears one too. If they touch him as sparks,
Speaker 1: it's a Jann just to prove. Just say say if
Speaker 1: you say we're going across the strait to hunt black
Speaker 1: tailed deer on that island over there in Laban's.
Speaker 6: Eat, Uh leaders and lead machine pot a wooden scubble, uh,
Speaker 6: mount steering us and mount i'm ustin black taired deal.
Speaker 6: Black tailed deer is a tough one.
Speaker 4: We don't have to let you said black tail deer.
Speaker 1: And and joined by.
Speaker 5: It was fake.
Speaker 3: It was a fake language.
Speaker 4: You can't do that.
Speaker 1: Super eight hate and Dan, who's also been on jokes.
Speaker 3: It's been negative about Dan.
Speaker 5: It's been like, uh, this place is terrible and by
Speaker 5: the way, where we're going, it's going to be really
Speaker 5: cold and wet and miserable.
Speaker 3: This whole thing.
Speaker 4: So well, judging by that, this is fine. This is fine.
Speaker 4: If I mean, if this is terrible, then and I
Speaker 4: put it on a scale and compelled this to the
Speaker 4: the mountain that we're going to.
Speaker 2: I'm aware I've been a little negative about this, and
Speaker 2: I'm I don't want to be that way.
Speaker 4: But there's something, there is something first class. You're sitting
Speaker 4: up there with all the kings and queens and royalty,
Speaker 4: and we're back there with the peasants code.
Speaker 3: You're a natural.
Speaker 4: Understand I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: Now, there's something hard.
Speaker 2: There is something about this place that just has been
Speaker 2: here a bunch. We've been here a bunch. It's been
Speaker 2: four years now, we've been coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been kind of more more than suddenly trying
Speaker 1: to put the put the end to this trip. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's just like he's like, we kind of I think Dan,
Speaker 1: we've got something online and we've filmed the piss out
Speaker 1: of that place?
Speaker 4: Is it because it's your not you have your cabin
Speaker 4: up here? Not this?
Speaker 1: Also? I just love it. I love it because I
Speaker 1: honestly I feel like it feels really nice weather I
Speaker 1: wouldn't like as much as I like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're a weirdo like that.
Speaker 1: I love it and not enjoy bad weather. I just
Speaker 1: love it because there's something about there's just there's something
Speaker 1: about just like a place that just is probably just
Speaker 1: gonna kick your ass.
Speaker 4: You like struggle, you know. And it was highlighted in
Speaker 4: that recent Elk episode that I watched. This is fucking
Speaker 4: giant beautiful? Am I allowed to swear on your podcast? Okay,
Speaker 4: we'll make an exception. Are you gonna beep beep it?
Speaker 1: Or this isn't like this isn't like the like a tube.
Speaker 4: Like a TV. You you had this beautiful Elk in
Speaker 4: your sights and you decided not to shoot it because
Speaker 4: you wanted to see what else was out there and
Speaker 4: you felt like it came too easy shoot. I would
Speaker 4: have shot that.
Speaker 1: I had opposite of you, I had just shot at Elk.
Speaker 1: What I didn't get into is I had just shot
Speaker 1: at elk not the Kentucky I had just shot out.
Speaker 4: Whatever, so fucking ended that thing. Right there, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 4: this show is four. I would have sack opposite. I
Speaker 4: never think like this is too easy. When things come
Speaker 4: along to eas I go, fucking great, let's wrap this up,
Speaker 4: get out of here. I love it when things come easy.
Speaker 4: I don't ever feel like I have to work extra hard.
Speaker 5: For I hope I nailed two deers in the first
Speaker 5: five minutes tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I hope they line up. I hope both my tags
Speaker 4: line up where they're both eating grass at the same time,
Speaker 4: and I get one headshot and take both of them.
Speaker 1: Out right from the tent.
Speaker 4: Just boom, get up in the morning.
Speaker 3: Sh let's go crabbing.
Speaker 4: Boom. Let's eat trimp.
Speaker 3: Let's eat some trimp and crab.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're saying, because I do like
Speaker 1: I want it to be. I never go somewhere to
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh I want it to be bad, Like
Speaker 1: I don't go honey, like like I hope it's really
Speaker 1: hard and it's bad. I always hope it's good. And
Speaker 1: there's tons of animals everywhere, but you like to earn
Speaker 1: it after the fact.
Speaker 2: You're a bit of a monsochist.
Speaker 4: You are a maist. Well, I think what you are
Speaker 4: is someone who appreciates hard work and effort, and you
Speaker 4: also appreciate going to places that are difficult to hunt.
Speaker 4: You like going in to high mountain areas that are
Speaker 4: difficult to hike. You know, there's there's a lot that
Speaker 4: you you have an ethic, and I think that ethic
Speaker 4: it's it's a good thing. It's a good thing that
Speaker 4: you have this. But you're you're very extreme with your ethics,
Speaker 4: your morals, your ideals and these things. It's a very
Speaker 4: romanticized version of it.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 4: I'm looking to kill ship and need it.
Speaker 5: I will say, though, I will say that that that
Speaker 5: I got more. I had a really good time in Wisconsin,
Speaker 5: but I got I had a much more satisfying feeling
Speaker 5: at the end of the Montana trip because of the cold,
Speaker 5: the discomfort, the tent, the hiking, the pack in that meet.
Speaker 4: Out and you got that idea in the last day
Speaker 4: and I got.
Speaker 5: Everything felt like a struggle and I didn't really I
Speaker 5: wasn't too vocal about it.
Speaker 3: I froze my ass off because.
Speaker 5: I hadn't learned how to I couldn't.
Speaker 3: Layer up enough.
Speaker 1: And finally, Ryan Collins, you never brought this up YouTube video.
Speaker 2: You just complained about the cold.
Speaker 4: Oh is that right?
Speaker 5: Okay, well, maybe I'm just a whiner, but I remember
Speaker 5: being so cold and Ryan told me take a hot
Speaker 5: water bottle, put it in your botom and your sleeping bag.
Speaker 5: Changed everything. But for the first two nights I was
Speaker 5: not sleeping.
Speaker 1: Man. If you put his Mustang an extra warm, no question,
Speaker 1: he just shot it. Speaking to him, bless his heart,
Speaker 1: he just shot an elk with his uh, with his
Speaker 1: his old timing. I mistakenly called it like I always
Speaker 1: think of everything besides the compound, a stickball, A couple
Speaker 1: of guys.
Speaker 3: He's a great guy. Sorry he's not here.
Speaker 6: Quick note though, on enjoying hard hunts, I think it's
Speaker 6: a part of the progression of all hunters. And you
Speaker 6: might get there one day too. And I know a
Speaker 6: lot of old guys that would love to every season
Speaker 6: hunt every single day of the season because they enjoyed
Speaker 6: the hunt and to sit in there, stand to be cold,
Speaker 6: to watch birds and all that, and to kill their
Speaker 6: deer on the last day. That would be their perfect season.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I appreciate it. Tough hunt, and I appreciate you
Speaker 1: guys coming on again because I you know, I realized
Speaker 1: this the other day without even really trying to. We're
Speaker 1: sort of doing be honest. Is there a thing? Is
Speaker 1: there a Grand Slam version for deer? So people like
Speaker 1: people aren't familiar with the whole Grand Slam concept, which
Speaker 1: isn't a difficult concept to understand. All these different animals
Speaker 1: have like like a Grand Slam type thing. So with turkeys,
Speaker 1: you would do a grand A Grand Slam for turkeys
Speaker 1: would be you choot an Eastern turkey, a Ostiola turkey,
Speaker 1: a Rio grand, and a Miriam's. It's a Grand Slam. Now,
Speaker 1: then there's the soup. Do you know how these go?
Speaker 2: Super Slam then World.
Speaker 1: Slam Super Slam for turkeys, which I which I like
Speaker 1: almost accidentally completed up till the end is you add
Speaker 1: a Goulds turkey and you hunt Goulds in Arizona and
Speaker 1: in mac most people who do it going down to Mexico,
Speaker 1: and then you got the World Slam, which is when
Speaker 1: you step outside of turkeiness, outside of the like, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. All those turkeys, all those turkeys are the
Speaker 1: like North American turkey, you know, and geneticists don't even
Speaker 1: really acknowledge the differences between all these things. But then
Speaker 1: there's another one, the oscillated, which is a whole different species.
Speaker 1: It's like the second turkey species is the oscillated, which
Speaker 1: is down in Yucatan. So you go kill him and
Speaker 1: you got the turkey world slam. Having done this, when
Speaker 1: I explain this to some of my friends, they think
Speaker 1: it's the stupidest thing on the planet, you know. But
Speaker 1: for sheep, it's like it's doll sheep, stone sheep, rocky mountain,
Speaker 1: big horn, desert, binghorn is the sheep whatever slam is
Speaker 1: there a dear one?
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 1: So what I'm getting at is you boys, you're getting
Speaker 1: terribly close. If we have a successful hunt when we
Speaker 1: cross the strait and go out to the island, then
Speaker 1: we go for cous Yeah, because then you got like
Speaker 1: a white tail. So you got a white tail, muleer,
Speaker 1: white tail. Sick of black tail. I think you gotta
Speaker 1: do Columbia black tail and maybe a coups deer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Columbia black tail in my yard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll get that whenever you want. What they think
Speaker 1: had like again, geneticists kind of like rewrite all this stuff.
Speaker 1: But now they think that like that that all these
Speaker 1: things like the Columbia black tail, the sick of black tail,
Speaker 1: the mule deer all I mean, they're they're listed as
Speaker 1: one species. A lot of people don't recognize them as subspecies,
Speaker 1: which is totally bizarre because he's deer out here when
Speaker 1: you walk up to be stunned how small they are?
Speaker 3: Oh, you mean the ones in Alaska the.
Speaker 1: Sick of black tails are small? Why they so.
Speaker 3: Small they can serve heat better or what?
Speaker 4: No, it's weird. Yeah, the big deer, like the big
Speaker 4: deer from the north, like the ones in like Saskatchewan.
Speaker 1: Giants el bird. Yeah, that's your big white tails. Bergman's principle.
Speaker 1: But there's a couple of things about Bergman's rule or
Speaker 1: Bergman's principle. So, yeah, mammals tend to be larger at
Speaker 1: the northern extreme of their range in the northern hemisphere,
Speaker 1: then to be larger because it has the heat dissipation
Speaker 1: heat retention. But they find that mule deer tend to
Speaker 1: not adhere to that quite as strictly as white tails do.
Speaker 1: So you look at a key like a deer, A
Speaker 1: white tailed deer in the keys very very small, you know,
Speaker 1: one hundred pounds of these Lucky Florida keys. Yeah. White
Speaker 1: tail deer in Alberta two hundred and fifty pounds is giants.
Speaker 3: So so is that same.
Speaker 5: The bigger the person, the better they are conserving heat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why a bigger person, bigger person conservative.
Speaker 4: Why is it that those Mexican deer that you see
Speaker 4: on television all the time, blacktail or white tail, and
Speaker 4: those and mule deer, they're giant? Are they bringing America?
Speaker 1: Can the white tails from Mexico small?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just seeing ones on television shows.
Speaker 1: No, they're like but they're small bodied. And the mule
Speaker 1: deer down there get big antlers. And that's what I'm saying. Muleier.
Speaker 1: Some muleier don't conform to that rule quite as strictly
Speaker 1: as other things do. But what you do find is
Speaker 1: the mule deer, like what you say, the desert mule
Speaker 1: deer is gonna have bigger ears, and the ears are
Speaker 1: great for heat retention dissipation. Like you look at the
Speaker 1: wooly mammoth. Wooly mammoth like a big elephant, right, little
Speaker 1: shit in ears, like barely any ear on that thing.
Speaker 1: The Africa's he's a cold climate elephant. You look at
Speaker 1: the African elephant, I mean giant ears for that. Another
Speaker 1: place animals lose a lot of heat is inside of
Speaker 1: their legs, so you always know the hairs thin there.
Speaker 1: You can stand up to dissipate heat, lay down to
Speaker 1: collect to retain heat.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 1: But yet another principle plays in. It's like sick of
Speaker 1: black tails are a coastal and often predominantly the island critter,
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, mammals on islands tend to tend
Speaker 1: toward dwarf ism, reptails on islands tend toward gargantuanism.
Speaker 4: Well then what what happens with those giant bears?
Speaker 1: The Kodiak bear, Yeah, that's an exception for sure, except.
Speaker 5: He just had so much access to to salmon, I
Speaker 5: would imagine, yeah, me, whereas a highland bear like brown bears,
Speaker 5: and you know, the mountainous regions are like six hundred
Speaker 5: pounds to live on barries and stuff. That's what I heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the grizzlies that you get in the fire
Speaker 1: North are small. Yeah, there's exceptions all over place. Anyways,
Speaker 1: he's just some dinky ass deers.
Speaker 4: Like, what's a big one? What's a big sick of
Speaker 4: black tail? One hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: Bigger than that?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll get it. I don't think a
Speaker 1: big box going one hundred fifty pounds.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of them weigh Like I said, man,
Speaker 1: they're like sub one hundred pounds. You walk up and
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, that's not what I thought I was
Speaker 1: looking at. Oh right, right, But you know, but it's
Speaker 1: like in the antlers are you have to They're just
Speaker 1: not as big as white tails. It's like, imagine that
Speaker 1: like the only let's say, the only woman dudes knew
Speaker 1: about was like Pamela Anderson, like the white tails years
Speaker 1: to pant like the Pamela Anderson deer. You know, it's
Speaker 1: just like souped up and a lot of work been
Speaker 1: done on it. It's just like this thing, you know,
Speaker 1: and they get and you look at the cover magazines,
Speaker 1: you look at these giants on farms. So when you
Speaker 1: go out, if everyone knew that woman and only that woman,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a harder time appreciating someone of a
Speaker 1: more subtle, refined beauty.
Speaker 5: Because the the the deer you're talking about, what you
Speaker 5: see on the cover of those hunting magazines are corn fed.
Speaker 1: Basically, they're more than that, man, they're injected even you know,
Speaker 1: like magazines like I've talked, I don't want a name
Speaker 1: in the magazine. I got friends, worked, and I right
Speaker 1: there now and then. But in the fall, they always
Speaker 1: put a big giant buck on the cover of the magazine.
Speaker 1: And the magazine has a has a editorial standpoint standpoint
Speaker 1: where they're not four fence hunting, so they don't like
Speaker 1: cover fence hunting in the magazine, don't write about fence
Speaker 1: hunting in the magazine. But all their bucks got names, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean they got bucks that just the
Speaker 1: bucks on the cover of the magazine are just farm bucks.
Speaker 1: It's like buck you're not going to see in the wild.
Speaker 1: It's like Larry the Buck. You know, it won't say that.
Speaker 1: It was like a Pennsylvania giant, you know. And the
Speaker 1: photographer took them an hour to try to get a
Speaker 1: shot where it wasn't like a.
Speaker 5: Why why are the wolves in Yellowstone? And I don't
Speaker 5: know if these are doctored photographs?
Speaker 4: Sorry?
Speaker 5: Why are they so welcome?
Speaker 1: To the podcast.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Brian, back back.
Speaker 5: Why are the wolves and Yellowstone so so giant, like
Speaker 5: these guys who've shot them and they're holding them up
Speaker 5: and they're literally bigger than by farther person. Is that
Speaker 5: because they have so much access to elk and they're just.
Speaker 1: Killing I think they're big, well fed. There's there's conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories that many, like the Forest Service somehow wanted to
Speaker 1: really stick it to really screw over Montans and whelming people,
Speaker 1: and so they're like, well, I know what I'll do
Speaker 1: to them. I'll go get super wools, which is what
Speaker 1: they call them. I'll go get super wolves from elsewhere
Speaker 1: Canada and bring them down and let them go. And
Speaker 1: these wolves are way bigger than the wolves that were
Speaker 1: here at the time of European contact, and that'll show
Speaker 1: them and they'll know not I don't really know what
Speaker 1: they're like if they're trying to stick it to them,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're sticking it to them about.
Speaker 1: But that's one theory. Is that Another thing would be
Speaker 1: that they right now are expanding their range. They have
Speaker 1: in many areas low like low competition with other wolves
Speaker 1: because they're still in an expansion phase, like the energy
Speaker 1: moves outward, you know, to new territory, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot to eat and they're healthy.
Speaker 5: How much does weigh? How much is a big timber wolf?
Speaker 1: What they can weigh? A couple hundred pounds? But people
Speaker 1: say that that's like one of those numbers we've thought
Speaker 1: this was before. There's certain numbers that always get thrown around,
Speaker 1: like you know, you know, like mountain lion. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and so like the wolves are that big,
Speaker 1: but I mean they're giants. They're giants, they're huge.
Speaker 6: We did hear that story from a fairly credible source
Speaker 6: about the guy that knew the trapper that supposedly trapped
Speaker 6: live trapped some of these wolves from the first introduction.
Speaker 1: The ninety seven introduction or whatever, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, into Yellowstone, and that he had trapped like sixteen
Speaker 6: or seventeen wolves and he had them and he picked
Speaker 6: like hand picked the biggest, baddest, meanest wolves, like the
Speaker 6: wolves that all the rest of the wolves in the
Speaker 6: pens were like like scared of and coward. He's like
Speaker 6: those stupid bastards down the states, Let's send in these three.
Speaker 1: He's like, you want wolves? Do you hear wolves? I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're thinking.
Speaker 4: Here, you go. It seems like a crazy idea. It
Speaker 4: seems like a crazy idea that's kind of backfiring in
Speaker 4: a lot of places.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. Yeah, the numbers are high, really high. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: they got they start. They feel like they maybe when
Speaker 1: the hunts were running, you know, they felt like they
Speaker 1: turned the corner in Montana a little bit. I know,
Speaker 1: my brother was just and you know, the one that
Speaker 1: just lost the significant portion of elk to bears. He
Speaker 1: was up and saw seven of them. You know, I
Speaker 1: mean nothing. I mean that's like totally anecdotal, but they're out.
Speaker 1: Like it's funny because the area, the area we hunt
Speaker 1: elk in me past as him. Still, we started hunting
Speaker 1: elk in this area, hunt there for ten years. We
Speaker 1: started hunting elk there in ninety six. So it's for
Speaker 1: the wolf thing hit that elk herd that we've hunted
Speaker 1: has been greatly reduced. You know, it's like the elk
Speaker 1: numbers have declined in that specific herd. They had declined
Speaker 1: by you know, fifty percent.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: But my brother kills an elk every year. His success
Speaker 1: rate has maintained, has gone the same and I think
Speaker 1: it's like elk go down, but his knowledge level of
Speaker 1: the area, you know, has kept pace. He's sort of
Speaker 1: made up for it now. I can only imagine because
Speaker 1: before wolves came in, this is like, this sounds totally
Speaker 1: just like one guy's experience. It's by other people say
Speaker 1: this too. When wolves came in hard, we're kind of
Speaker 1: like ladies and gentlemen. We're kind of talking about what
Speaker 1: they call the greater Yellowstone ecosystem, or the area around
Speaker 1: Yellowstone where the wolves are now wombing Idaho, Montana. But
Speaker 1: when those wolves came in and really start hammering those elk,
Speaker 1: the elk got paranoid in a way that they weren't before.
Speaker 1: You know. I think they just got like a mentality
Speaker 1: of just being like hunted all the time.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: So it used to it felt for a while like
Speaker 1: when you went on an opening day and that they
Speaker 1: hadn't been harassed by hunters. They were just relaxed in
Speaker 1: the way, and they were in vulnerable locations. And I
Speaker 1: think that and many people agree with this, that that
Speaker 1: hurt has adjusted its behavior so much it'll eventually have
Speaker 1: to adjust its behavior a lot in order to learn
Speaker 1: how to cope with the new threat. But think of
Speaker 1: it in the reverse. If you think about taking a
Speaker 1: drive for the Yellstone National Park, you're going to Yellowstone now,
Speaker 1: and the elk and Yellowstone are scared shitless of wolves.
Speaker 1: They're scared shitless of grizzlies. What they don't care about
Speaker 1: are human beings. Okay, so you'll have elk feeding ten
Speaker 1: twenty thirty feet from your car, oblivious to your presence.
Speaker 1: Not oblivious. They know you're there, they just don't care.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Yellowstone has them been actively hunted for over one hundred years. Okay,
Speaker 1: so on that chunk of property, they have ruled out
Speaker 1: humans as being something to be worried about. So when
Speaker 1: they're out they can go feed in the area where
Speaker 1: maybe they're safe from wolves or safer from wolves, where
Speaker 1: they can see around or whatever. But also at the
Speaker 1: same time they don't have to worry all about their
Speaker 1: proximity to people. If all of a sudden tomorrow you
Speaker 1: start saying that, you know, I'm gonna let a handful
Speaker 1: of hunters every year come into Yellstone National Park and
Speaker 1: just start taking potshots at these elk, someone would come
Speaker 1: in and stay like these elk are stupid. They just
Speaker 1: stand there and let you shoot them. But it'll be yeah,
Speaker 1: because they haven't adjusted to the threat yet, you know, right,
Speaker 1: And so with wolves they will eventually, hopefully they will
Speaker 1: reach some kind of like technological stalemate with the wolves
Speaker 1: where they seem like a little bit better to withstand
Speaker 1: the kind of pressure. One hope is that's starting to
Speaker 1: happen at the same time. You know, I'm an advocate
Speaker 1: of continuing to whittle down the wolf numbers, just managing
Speaker 1: like you would anything else, you know.
Speaker 3: Just because they're still devastating, not so.
Speaker 1: Much because it's so devastating because they're renewable resource, you know,
Speaker 1: are they like they're renewable resource. There's hunter interest in them.
Speaker 1: It's been proven by most people who don't have a
Speaker 1: political as to grind believe that we can maintain a
Speaker 1: harvest on wolves without destroying the resource or damaging the resource,
Speaker 1: like you maintain a viable population of them, the same
Speaker 1: way we try to maintain a viable population of mountain lions.
Speaker 1: Viable population of black bears.
Speaker 5: We rebuilt on line are so incredibly plentiful in Utah,
Speaker 5: for example, that when you get your fishing license, it
Speaker 5: comes automatically with a mountain lion tag?
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so. I was amazed at that. When you
Speaker 5: apply for a fishing license, look.
Speaker 1: It up whether you have a hunt license or not.
Speaker 5: When you apply for a fishing license, you get an
Speaker 5: automatic tag for a for a mountain lion license.
Speaker 3: I was amazed.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that?
Speaker 6: California?
Speaker 1: No, no, Utah hunt lines of California, Utah thought?
Speaker 4: While one just attacked a kid in Silicon Valley? Do
Speaker 4: you hear about that? Cooper Tino. Six year old kid
Speaker 4: got attacked by a mountain lion. His father had a
Speaker 4: fucking scream and yelled the mountainline to get it off
Speaker 4: the kid. The cops did. Cops found the mountain line,
Speaker 4: killed it. They got the DNA from the kid's jacket.
Speaker 4: So when they shot the mountain line they did, they
Speaker 4: knew they had the right one.
Speaker 5: In Colorado, six year old was walking between her family
Speaker 5: or parents, and mountain liin just came down, took her.
Speaker 1: Took her off, not dead though, no kill her.
Speaker 4: Took her off. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of
Speaker 4: When was that four or five years old? Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: not a big fan of casts.
Speaker 3: That's a terrible tragedy. I mean, that's like, what in
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, is it worse than a car?
Speaker 5: I mean well, I mean in all respect, no, I
Speaker 5: mean it's so rare, like how many how many people
Speaker 5: have really been killed by bound lines?
Speaker 1: One every twenty years? Man, Yeah, it's that's why I
Speaker 1: can't That's why. That's why it's No, it's like what
Speaker 1: there's like one mountain lion fatality every twenty years.
Speaker 4: So rare.
Speaker 3: Man, it's so rare.
Speaker 1: You know. What I heard recently was the number of
Speaker 1: years I was saying, did you see this the last
Speaker 1: time a bow hunter was killed by a grit? Like
Speaker 1: as much as both, Like, when you're hunting bow hunting
Speaker 1: for elk, you're cow calling, you're making you're mimicking the
Speaker 1: sound of a cow out hit it, you honest, hit
Speaker 1: a nice cow call.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Grizzlies hear that. Yeah, they hear that, and they
Speaker 1: hunt the sound. So bow hunters are frequently, like just
Speaker 1: in my own extended circle, like friends of friends, every
Speaker 1: there's like guys that are calling in grizzlies while trying
Speaker 1: to call out Not I couldn't believe this. Not a
Speaker 1: bowl hunter's been killed in the Rocky Mountains at least
Speaker 1: twenty five years by grizzlies.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I forget what it was. Someone wrote a statement
Speaker 6: saying that it was happening Chuck Adams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all due respect to Chuck Adams. I mean he's
Speaker 1: like a like a great hunter, has been writing a
Speaker 1: lot more about a lot more stuff than I ever
Speaker 1: have in my life. Uh, when it comes to hunting.
Speaker 1: Made the mistake of saying, like how sometimes bowl hunters
Speaker 1: do get killed or unfortunately they do get killed, and
Speaker 1: then someone did the research said no, in fact, they don't.
Speaker 1: There's no record of a ballner.
Speaker 6: I think it's been long from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben long from back huntry hunters and anglers was
Speaker 1: the one that wound up saying that, no, it doesn't
Speaker 1: have but anyways, yeah, once every twenty years. I think
Speaker 1: it's once every twenty years. Kids are more vulnerable, the
Speaker 1: kids and ladies, joggers particularly. I think you look like
Speaker 1: something the lion wants to snack on.
Speaker 4: It looks like something's running away too, Probably something scared.
Speaker 3: Not the way I run.
Speaker 1: I've seen bought to.
Speaker 6: Fishing licenses and I didn't see that on my fishing license.
Speaker 3: Look it up. I was just told that by my father.
Speaker 1: Does I mean there's like a handful of reasons why
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be right.
Speaker 4: It doesn't seem to make sense.
Speaker 5: You don't, Now, I'm curious. My father told me that
Speaker 5: my father did. He just got he just gotta. He
Speaker 5: lives in Utah and he and he got a fishing
Speaker 5: license and he said that you get an automatic tag
Speaker 5: from you.
Speaker 1: I think I think he maybe got fishing line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about something that we're not able to resolve,
Speaker 1: which is like one of the.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So what he probably got is they probably sent him
Speaker 1: because they had his name and everything, they probably maybe
Speaker 1: sent him a lion application of permit application. Regardless, I've
Speaker 1: seen three lions. He used to seem like a lot,
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's only three lions. Jay Scott,
Speaker 1: who Janice guided for it for a long time. Colbert
Speaker 1: and Scott Outfitters, they guide what they got. Elk Arizona,
Speaker 1: the guy.
Speaker 2: In Mexico, Colorado, Muleier, Colorado.
Speaker 1: Mulder. I said to Jaz said, hey, many how many
Speaker 1: lines you've seen? And he spends a lot of time
Speaker 1: behind his binoculars. He said, I'm looking for number thirty five, right,
Speaker 1: now whoa hunt.
Speaker 4: He's seen.
Speaker 1: He's glassed up thirty five lions hunt, but he.
Speaker 6: Does live behind his binoculars for a great of the year.
Speaker 5: The guy who was I think the head of the
Speaker 5: fishing game or Wildlife Service or whatever, I remember he
Speaker 5: had to step down. He was in California, yep. And
Speaker 5: he hunted him outain line very legally.
Speaker 1: In another state.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And and they flipped out on him.
Speaker 1: You can't hunt lines of coat.
Speaker 5: While people were like, listen, the the amount of money
Speaker 5: that the parks make on hunting licenses and stuff, that's
Speaker 5: what supports you know, the habitat and to maintain the
Speaker 5: maintenance of the habitat attata and all the other things.
Speaker 4: Well, that's a real problem with California, right. It's ideologically driven.
Speaker 4: It doesn't really have anything to do with matching wildlife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have like California actually have some like outsfolks
Speaker 1: anti hunting people who were on their you know, fishing
Speaker 1: Wildlife Commission.
Speaker 4: It's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Usually called fishing game, and there's a lot of states
Speaker 1: where it's not fishing game, but California was fishing game
Speaker 1: in California just became not fishing game. They became like
Speaker 1: fishing wildlife to sort of disassociate with the term game,
Speaker 1: which is sort of like objectification of animals. I feel
Speaker 1: bad for people in California. They get hammered all the time.
Speaker 1: Like it was first that you can't hunt lions with
Speaker 1: a dog, then you can't hunt lions at all. Now
Speaker 1: it is a big thing to have, like no dog
Speaker 1: hunting whatsoever, like no dog hunting mammals or something of anything.
Speaker 4: They still have bear hunting, but they don't have bear
Speaker 4: with dogs. And so I just got rid of that.
Speaker 4: When we were at the Hone ranch, they were saying,
Speaker 4: it's pointless to hunt bears without dogs. You can't bait,
Speaker 4: you can't use dogs. Then you can't find bears.
Speaker 1: Like in that area'd be tough, man, it'd be tough
Speaker 1: other states like Montana, you can't run bears with a dog,
Speaker 1: you can't bait for bears. But it's still but the
Speaker 1: topography warrants itself to spot and start bear hunting, which
Speaker 1: is really good, you know. And if it's like like Maine,
Speaker 1: is November very likely through the Humane Society, Maine will
Speaker 1: very likely November vote down bear baiting. Okay, pushed entirely
Speaker 1: funded entirely by Humane Society. But they put it to
Speaker 1: a referendum. They had it up before and it lost
Speaker 1: by a few points. It's coming back up now. A
Speaker 1: lot of people think that it'll pass and they'll like
Speaker 1: do a baiting ban on bears and Maine, but Maine's
Speaker 1: largely flat, heavily vegetated. To ban baiting for bears is
Speaker 1: essentially to ban bear hunting, and they know this, you know,
Speaker 1: And so that's how people like go after hunting stuff
Speaker 1: is they try to like isolate out little like what
Speaker 1: they consider fringe activities. Because I was reading his poll
Speaker 1: on time. They did this poll in Arizona saying to people,
Speaker 1: do you support a person's right to hunt?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And you wind up getting this whatever it is, I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what seventy six percent of the population is. Like, Yes,
Speaker 1: you do the same poll and ask people specific questions
Speaker 1: and it starts going down, down, down and out, like
Speaker 1: do you support someone's right to hunt?
Speaker 4: Blank?
Speaker 1: And it drops. So it's like they like the idea
Speaker 1: of it, but the specificity of.
Speaker 5: It, especially things like baiting. You know, whatever it is,
Speaker 5: it feels like it's trophy. It feels like you're not.
Speaker 5: Really there's no skill involved. That's what it feels like, right,
Speaker 5: So if you say we're going to bait the bear
Speaker 5: in and shoot it, it feels like target.
Speaker 4: Well, most people are against hunting bears at all. I
Speaker 4: would imagine if you just put an online poll on
Speaker 4: Facebook saying how many people are pro bear hunting, it
Speaker 4: would be a giant number would be against it.
Speaker 1: When I first proposed it to you, I remember you
Speaker 1: were really uneasy about the idea. Yeah, but you wanted
Speaker 1: something was gonna be good to eat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to hunt deer. The first time I
Speaker 4: wanted a hunt, I was like, man, bear, I don't
Speaker 4: know about all that. But having shot a bear now
Speaker 4: and eating a bear, they're great to eat. Yeah, they
Speaker 4: taste good. They mean they taste good. It's not like
Speaker 4: you have to convince yourself. And I had to argue
Speaker 4: with people online that were giving me a hard time
Speaker 4: that were actually hunters, that were telling me you can't
Speaker 4: tell me bear is good to eat. It's ridiculous. You know,
Speaker 4: I've been hunting my whole life. You know, everyone I
Speaker 4: know says bear tastes off. I'm like, you're crazy, you know,
Speaker 4: I've eaten it. I'm telling you from the flesh in
Speaker 4: my mouth chewing it down. It tastes good, doesn't taste
Speaker 4: bad at all. That there's good depends upon.
Speaker 6: Just because someone is a great hunter does not make
Speaker 6: them a good cook of wild game.
Speaker 4: True too, right, But it's also people have attitudes about
Speaker 4: certain animals where they just discard the meat. You know,
Speaker 4: there's some people that have no part. When we were
Speaker 4: in camp, we were in Honty camp, there's this one
Speaker 4: guy that was with us who would not eat the
Speaker 4: bear meat. He just wouldn't eat the beer. He shot
Speaker 4: a big ass seven foot bear.
Speaker 5: That might also because like there's always been a history
Speaker 5: of you know, certain things you don't eat, right, So
Speaker 5: so mountain lion or a bear especially.
Speaker 4: Apparently tastes really good.
Speaker 2: It's really good.
Speaker 1: It is good.
Speaker 3: Mountain is good.
Speaker 1: It's really like pork, really white flesh, white flesh.
Speaker 2: I ate some mountain lion burgers once, and then that
Speaker 2: night I had a dream that a mountain lion was
Speaker 2: eating me. Is that true?
Speaker 5: Mountain lion bird?
Speaker 4: That's dark?
Speaker 1: It was laced with the aahwascar For.
Speaker 5: Some reason, I would imagine though animal.
Speaker 4: Roof. My wife said, I smelled different when I came home,
Speaker 4: I've been eaten bear. She actually saw that you smelled different.
Speaker 4: She said, I smelled like a killer.
Speaker 1: First time she ever smelled a man.
Speaker 4: She said it was weird because you smell like like threatening.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, because he was like, I wonder, I wonder if, like,
Speaker 4: if you need predators.
Speaker 3: Do it do a grizzly thing.
Speaker 4: Incredible.
Speaker 5: It's the greatest bear bear call I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: My man, I know you're making I just want to
Speaker 1: add real quick about that whole smell thing.
Speaker 4: My man.
Speaker 1: I was a kid, had a friend who during during
Speaker 1: deer season would only eat like leafy greens and carrots
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense. Your breath.
Speaker 1: He really felt that.
Speaker 4: You know, well, I've seen on hunting shows guys eat
Speaker 4: spruce tree needles. They chew the because your breath. Apparently
Speaker 4: that's that's the thing that the animals really smell.
Speaker 1: That was one of the big things about all the
Speaker 1: charcoal infused clothing and like sand control of clothing. Wow,
Speaker 1: you put it all on. But people say, but dude,
Speaker 1: your whole your whole like smell factory. Man, this is
Speaker 1: you exhaling. I think they probably.
Speaker 5: Something smell people's breath from like five hundred yards away.
Speaker 4: Tim Burnett said that he was hunting once and I
Speaker 4: think he said two hundred yards. He said he was
Speaker 4: down wind to two hundred yards and he saw an
Speaker 4: animal go like that. He knew the animal winded him
Speaker 4: and he ran off.
Speaker 1: Dude, absolutely, absolutely, that's nothing.
Speaker 4: Two hundred yards nothing, that's incredible. It is incredible to animals. Yes,
Speaker 4: the wind came from him to the animal two hundred
Speaker 4: yards away. He might have said three. I think you
Speaker 4: might have said yeah, but he was like, I can't
Speaker 4: believe that thing can.
Speaker 3: Smell that smell particles would travel that quickly.
Speaker 4: Well. Tim was also talking about some new product. It's
Speaker 4: like a nose blocker or nose jammer, scent jammer. It's
Speaker 4: called you've heard of that. It does something confuses the
Speaker 4: hell out of the deer. Like he used it on you,
Speaker 4: put it on you, and like that. You could see
Speaker 4: the deer like going like what is that? The deer
Speaker 4: was like putting its nose up in the air but
Speaker 4: stayed there, didn't run off, but it was like what
Speaker 4: is this? Like it was just confusing it. I think
Speaker 4: it's called bomb no no, no, So I think it's
Speaker 4: called scent Jammer. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Call me the buck Bomb. They call me the buck Bomb,
Speaker 5: they called me the fucker. The kid, game Kid yep,
Speaker 5: game id Killer, yep.
Speaker 4: The casual beer killer is the best. He was wearing
Speaker 4: casual beer. Yep.
Speaker 2: Did you bring some this time?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Brought.
Speaker 3: I got two pieces of cashmere.
Speaker 1: Would you bring your scarf?
Speaker 4: I brought a beautiful.
Speaker 5: Lightweight cashmere sweater James purse and uh and then a
Speaker 5: lovely V neck, a lovely hunter green V neck by
Speaker 5: James James. J Crew really brings out my bring brings
Speaker 5: out my James Crew. It's the higher level of j Crew.
Speaker 5: It brings out my autumn brown eyes. So you'll have
Speaker 5: a good time, all right.
Speaker 1: So I feel like we're like on a tangent.
Speaker 4: On the tangent we were what podcasts were all. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I was credit. I was interested
Speaker 4: in the main line eating bear the first bear firste Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the guy that did eat the bear yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Well this guy he shot two of them, didn't need
Speaker 4: any of it.
Speaker 1: I wonder when people are uneasy with bear hunting. I
Speaker 1: think there's the charismatic MegaFon a thing at play where
Speaker 1: I mean, there's charas right, they're like they stand up
Speaker 1: on their back feet or the writer Jim Harrison wrote,
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one was books, but he saw
Speaker 1: a guy, a guy had skinned out a bear and
Speaker 1: he had a hanging and he commented that it just
Speaker 1: looked like a dude hanging there. It looked like a
Speaker 1: skinned out dude hanging there, and he didn't want anything
Speaker 1: to do with it, you know. So I think there's that,
Speaker 1: and then there's also probably just the legacy that the
Speaker 1: bear hunters have kind of created for themselves about all
Speaker 1: that the meat is no good or I don't want
Speaker 1: to eat the meat. That certainly doesn't help the case.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty prevalent. I was amazed at how much
Speaker 4: backlash I got online, not just from non hunters, which
Speaker 4: I expected, but from hunters who said, you know, hunters
Speaker 4: wouldn't hunt, predators didn't hunt, and said, you know, it's
Speaker 4: ridiculous that you hunt bear because you don't even eat it,
Speaker 4: And I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm smoking
Speaker 4: at bear ham right now.
Speaker 1: There's a reasonbitz on opportunities, man. I think when people
Speaker 1: say that, oftentimes what they're really saying is because of
Speaker 1: my personal situation how I was brought up where I live.
Speaker 1: I don't hunt bears. I told this story one hundred
Speaker 1: times where I was sitting. I know this guy in
Speaker 1: South Carolina that has a deer blind. He calls the
Speaker 1: condo okay, And he built a heated structure with windows
Speaker 1: all the way around it, and he has office chairs
Speaker 1: in it and lead sleds set up in it. And
Speaker 1: this is his hunting blind, in a bunk bed, in
Speaker 1: a microwave. All this stuff is in his hunting blind,
Speaker 1: and radiating out from the condo are shooting lanes that
Speaker 1: he's got planted in clover and lfl for the runout
Speaker 1: like spokes of a wheel. Okay, so he can sit
Speaker 1: up there and rove around in a rolling off his chair.
Speaker 3: I mean that's like here is just farm.
Speaker 1: Well, he said, she does where you live, and you
Speaker 1: know you would have the best time over there hunting
Speaker 1: in this thing. But anyways, I'm up in this thing
Speaker 1: with him and we're waiting for deer to come out,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling him how I'm gonna go out to
Speaker 1: hunt dry ground lions, which means not gonna go out
Speaker 1: with a friend who runs lions with hounds in the desert,
Speaker 1: and it's much more difficult to run lions in the
Speaker 1: snow because one thing the dogs can't tell is what
Speaker 1: way the lion went. So when you have snow, you
Speaker 1: can at least deduce the direction of the lion's travel.
Speaker 1: If the dogs lose the track, you can pick the
Speaker 1: track back up again because it's there in the snow,
Speaker 1: and you can tell a lot about the antiquity of
Speaker 1: the track, the age of the track, just based on
Speaker 1: when the snow fell, what it looks like like. Snow
Speaker 1: holds tracks in different ways than our stuff. Hunt them
Speaker 1: in the desert. Your dogs might be running a line
Speaker 1: you're just never gonna see a track from, you know.
Speaker 1: And then part of the skill is just being able
Speaker 1: to read sign find the track, judge from the dog's
Speaker 1: behavior whether they think the track's hot or not hot,
Speaker 1: all these things playing to it's the most difficulty I've
Speaker 1: ever been involved with hunt, or one of the most
Speaker 1: difficult things I've ever been involved with hunting. It I'm
Speaker 1: telling him how I want to go do this, and
Speaker 1: he's up in his rolling office chair and the condo
Speaker 1: turns me. It's like, I just don't see the challenge
Speaker 1: and something like that.
Speaker 4: So it's like.
Speaker 1: People like when they're like, oh, I don't hunt bears,
Speaker 1: It's like, you know why you don't humt bearers, dude,
Speaker 1: because your dad probably didn't hunt bears. You probably don't
Speaker 1: live in a bear hunting.
Speaker 4: Area, right you. Or if you did get a hold
Speaker 4: of some bear meat, somebody cooked it poorly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like you build up. It's like you
Speaker 1: build up what you do and don't do based on
Speaker 1: a bunch of things, and after a while, a bunch
Speaker 1: of arbitrary things, and after a while, I think it
Speaker 1: starts to feel like a code of ethics to you,
Speaker 1: when in fact it's just like you just do what
Speaker 1: you were brought up doing.
Speaker 5: Then there is a difference, though, I mean, I think
Speaker 5: that when you when you see somebody and you walk
Speaker 5: in and you say, I'm a trophy hunter, and they
Speaker 5: have no one says that no, no. But I'm just
Speaker 5: saying that that in people's minds. I think when you
Speaker 5: hunt deer, I notice. I just notice that when you
Speaker 5: hunt deer, they go people go, well, dear, you're obviously
Speaker 5: hunting it for the meat. It's a little bit like
Speaker 5: a cow. It's like a forest cow, whereas I call
Speaker 5: them forest cows when you hunt.
Speaker 3: When you go kill an elephant.
Speaker 5: Let's just take the extreme, a noble animal like an elephant,
Speaker 5: or we we always put those kind of words on
Speaker 5: that kind of thing, a pachyderm. They got family structures
Speaker 5: and stuff viscerally for people like their kids. Yeah, man,
Speaker 5: so viscerally there's a very different field, you know, lions,
Speaker 5: those kinds of things. There's a very different reaction. And
Speaker 5: I think it's it's primarily a positive one in terms
Speaker 5: of the fact that I think people just go, you're
Speaker 5: doing that. You're killing this noble, beautiful animal for your
Speaker 5: own sort of either ego or because you want its
Speaker 5: head on your wall. And I think that that's where
Speaker 5: people kind of and I think that's a very human thing.
Speaker 4: You know what's really ironic. The same guy who wouldn't
Speaker 4: eat the bear told me the most delicious meat he
Speaker 4: ever had was elephant.
Speaker 1: Wow, he is the contrarian man.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, he's a very nice guy.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a contrary and at all. He just was saying,
Speaker 4: like he went elephant hunting and they knew the exact
Speaker 4: spot to cut out a steak and it was like
Speaker 4: from inside the arm, like inside the leg. And he said,
Speaker 4: I am telling you it was delicious. It's delicious meat.
Speaker 4: And I was like, wow. I would have never First
Speaker 4: of all, I knew that the villagers ate the meat,
Speaker 4: but I would never assume.
Speaker 1: That it was so good that like they cook it
Speaker 1: for the client.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially a guy who won't even eat a bear.
Speaker 5: Or were elephants hunted by like in that area of Africa?
Speaker 5: I wonder, I don't know, difficult bring.
Speaker 1: The kill like you know they like historically they would
Speaker 1: kill drafts, those poisoned darts. Yeah, the fifties. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: old dude from the fifties where they hit a draft
Speaker 1: of the poison dart.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't remember how many. They followed for three or
Speaker 1: four days till finally starts vomiting and then dies and
Speaker 1: they chop it up.
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen that video? There's an old school
Speaker 4: bow hunter. It wasn't Fred Bear, but it was one
Speaker 4: of those guys like that. Who was some of you know,
Speaker 4: like Tom Moranda type adventure bowhunter from like the nineteen
Speaker 4: forties or whatever. It was.
Speaker 1: It's like black and white lahab, But who's that dude,
Speaker 1: you know who you know? The guy he uh it
Speaker 1: was his name, like shot the killed the elp phone
Speaker 1: with the long bow man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he shot an elphie. I mean he's young.
Speaker 1: It was it was either Pope, it was sax and
Speaker 1: Pope or are young? Was it one of those guys?
Speaker 4: Do not remember that with a bow? Dude, not only
Speaker 4: did you kill an elphone in a bow, but he
Speaker 4: stuck that thing full of arrows. I mean he had
Speaker 4: to shoot it a bunch of times. He's pulling a boat.
Speaker 4: It's a bowbo like, not like a compound bow from
Speaker 4: a Yeah. Yeah, it was a regular bow and the
Speaker 4: guy just kept shooting it and the elephants like And
Speaker 4: it was a screwy video because it was very clear
Speaker 4: that the sound in the video was not the actual
Speaker 4: sound of the encounter. They had added it in in
Speaker 4: post like a movie shop would.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a there's a video of Massai warriors throwing
Speaker 5: like five or six of them just throwing these you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know Massi the Bantu Massie
Speaker 5: from from Kenya tall yeah sixty six. We were, and
Speaker 5: they traditionally used to live essentially total carnivores. They live
Speaker 5: on about seven quarts of high fat milk a day,
Speaker 5: and they would tap the vein of their cattle and
Speaker 5: drink the blood and that was primarily their diet, and
Speaker 5: then they would eat meat when they could afford it.
Speaker 5: And you see these massi, five or six of them,
Speaker 5: with those long spears throwing them into a male lion. Really,
Speaker 5: oh dude, they're just coming up and going running woom.
Speaker 5: And that line just basically has five long.
Speaker 3: Spears in it. It starts to bucket, it just dies.
Speaker 3: And lion lion in that.
Speaker 5: Part of Africa are very aware of humans. They will
Speaker 5: run away from you. They do not they even when
Speaker 5: they hunt lion on horseback, lions give chase.
Speaker 4: They don't. We We've talked about this many times on
Speaker 4: other podcasts. It's the hunting in Africa controversy. And I
Speaker 4: really liked that piece that you wrote about about hunting
Speaker 4: in Africa, like this whole thing about what this controversy
Speaker 4: involving this young girl who's going there, and that you were,
Speaker 4: you know, essentially saying that a lot of the differences
Speaker 4: the way people were approaching her, it's sexist. If it
Speaker 4: was a man, that it was that was doing the
Speaker 4: same thing. There would be some blowback, but not as
Speaker 4: much he would there were.
Speaker 1: If some dude, you know, some guy like worked at
Speaker 1: the phone company his whole life and say something goes
Speaker 1: to Africa and shot a couple el elf and a
Speaker 1: leopard and put up on his Facebook page, you would
Speaker 1: have got zero visits or a lot.
Speaker 4: No one would have cared very little, very.
Speaker 6: Like you were saying, how they kind of attacked the
Speaker 6: little you know, pieces of oh yeah.
Speaker 4: History. It's a beautiful girl from Texas who's a cheerleader
Speaker 4: and she wants to be she wants to be Steve Renella.
Speaker 4: She wants to be a female version of Steve Renella.
Speaker 4: So she's trying to like be a part of the
Speaker 4: hunting you know, professional hunting community.
Speaker 3: So that is rare because women have traditionally never been hunters.
Speaker 1: Men have right, well, I point out, except for they
Speaker 1: think that there was very low sexual dimorphism in Neanderthals,
Speaker 1: and they think that maybe Neanderthal women hunt right along
Speaker 1: everybody starts.
Speaker 4: While they died off, nobody wants to. They had a
Speaker 4: way built like you, they had a way longer run
Speaker 4: than we'll have you think.
Speaker 1: They were in Europe five hundred thousand years before we were.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we'll be here for millions of years. No,
Speaker 4: we won't, I predict you want to bet. Really, I'd
Speaker 4: rather be there to collect the world's only six thousand
Speaker 4: years olds. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 4: But one of the things that I find disturbing about
Speaker 4: the whole Africa thing is, uh, there's a lot of these,
Speaker 4: like these bow hunting shows. These people go over there
Speaker 4: to collect like I'm gonna get one of these and
Speaker 4: one of those, and they're doing it, and these high
Speaker 4: fence joints, and it's it's just it's weird. Man.
Speaker 1: In Africa, Yeah, South Africa. When someone goes to South Africa,
Speaker 1: they're hunting. Like say, like, if you go to South Africa,
Speaker 1: you're hunting fence property. It's just like if you go
Speaker 1: to New Zealand and shoot a large red deer, you
Speaker 1: shot it on fence ground, you know, like these three
Speaker 1: hundred inches red deer to come out on New Zealand, buddy.
Speaker 4: But here, but hold on, here's the important part. Those
Speaker 4: animals were literally on the verge of extinction before these
Speaker 4: high fence operations came into play. So it's such as
Speaker 4: twenty two. On one hand, you see, well, it's a
Speaker 4: renewable resource and now these animals are actually very plentiful
Speaker 4: and they're no longer worried about extinct being extinct. But
Speaker 4: on the other hand, during a yard, it's essentially a yard.
Speaker 4: It maybe it's ten thousand acres, but it's a ten
Speaker 4: thousand acre fenced in yard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, that was always the argument.
Speaker 5: If you want to save the animals, make it profitable
Speaker 5: to hunt them, you know, the best the argument for Texas,
Speaker 5: But the biggest uh, the biggest threat that was more habitat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's habitat. But it definitely pays to
Speaker 1: have hunt. It definitely pays to have hunter interest. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look at like you look at all these
Speaker 1: things that have you know, you got these organizations National
Speaker 1: Wild Turkey Federation, Rocky Mountain out Foundation, Ducks Unlimited, Trot Unlimited.
Speaker 1: These are things that these are powerful political organizations or
Speaker 1: have political impact. They have a lot of money, and
Speaker 1: they're based around people's love of hunting for or fishing
Speaker 1: for these species. And it winds up being that like
Speaker 1: you can't really get away with messing with these animals
Speaker 1: because these people are gonna come after you and make
Speaker 1: your life help you know, if you're gonna destroy habitat
Speaker 1: or whatever. So it does not on the individual sense.
Speaker 1: Like on an individual sens it's like you just got shot.
Speaker 1: That sucks. But I don't think about animals and the
Speaker 1: individual sense. I think a mind like a population level
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And if you are concerned about the
Speaker 1: long term viability of a population of animals in this
Speaker 1: country and apparently in many countries in Africa and certainly
Speaker 1: in Canada, it pays if people want to kill you.
Speaker 1: It's like advantageous if people have If people are motivated
Speaker 1: through desires for trophies, meet whatever to hunt for you,
Speaker 1: you have you have more political clout as a species exact.
Speaker 4: People do worry about the populations of elephants, right, even rhinos.
Speaker 4: But if you want to shoot an elephant, you can pay.
Speaker 4: I think it's like thirty thousand dollars and you can
Speaker 4: shoot a fucking an elephant. I mean, I watched his show,
Speaker 4: and this is where it was really really bothered me
Speaker 4: because they were calling it a bow hunt. So this
Speaker 4: guy gets out there, he sticks this bow. I mean
Speaker 4: he sticks an arrow into this elephant. The elephant charges him,
Speaker 4: and then the guide blows one through the elephant's brain,
Speaker 4: and the elephants down. The arrow hit look fatal probably eventually,
Speaker 4: maybe it's hard to tell.
Speaker 1: You don't think it would have bled out, or it
Speaker 1: might have led out.
Speaker 4: I don't think the guy was pulling a hard enough bow.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you know, if you're gonna kill
Speaker 4: an elephant, you got a lot of animal.
Speaker 3: How much they weighed ten thousand pounds something crazy?
Speaker 4: It was an enormous elephant though they weigh about ten
Speaker 4: thousand pounds, So the guy's only about thirty yards away.
Speaker 4: He hits the elephant with the arrow. The elephant recognizes
Speaker 4: immediately that this guy with the bow is the one
Speaker 4: who shot him, starts running towards him, and the guide
Speaker 4: boom blows the elephant through the brain, and then there's
Speaker 4: congratulating him on his kill, and I'm like, what what?
Speaker 4: What is this? This is weird.
Speaker 5: I think that the alternative if you don't make hunting profitable,
Speaker 5: then what happens with people are anti hunting. The alternative
Speaker 5: is what to enforce a bannon hunting with laws That
Speaker 5: doesn't work well?
Speaker 4: But you have massive poaching problems. Yeah, but look at
Speaker 4: it this way. How many people are going to donate
Speaker 4: thirty thousand dollars to keep an elephant populations healthy? Exactly?
Speaker 4: If it is it even one? I mean, how many people?
Speaker 4: Maybe you have to run some kind of drive good luck. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're not going to have you too.
Speaker 1: What's his name?
Speaker 4: He will? But you're right.
Speaker 3: I mean that's a very good point.
Speaker 4: It's a very good point because there's no other way
Speaker 4: to generate that amount of money. I mean, think about
Speaker 4: how many people get hunting tags. I mean, how many
Speaker 4: people get whitel deer tags?
Speaker 5: Exactly what you were saying about California's ideological and I
Speaker 5: think any kind of ideology, you know, that's the enemy.
Speaker 5: That's where, that's where rationality and figuring out what's best
Speaker 5: for the animal.
Speaker 3: Actually, you know, it's interesting, but.
Speaker 4: It's even to someone like me who enjoys hunting, it's disturbing.
Speaker 4: I don't like it. I don't like seeing it. I
Speaker 4: don't like it. I don't like the idea behind it.
Speaker 4: I don't like seeing these sloppy, goofy fucks just hop
Speaker 4: on planes and go shoot these animals in someone's yard.
Speaker 4: It just seems weird to me. The whole thing seems off.
Speaker 4: It doesn't seem legit. You know, there's some like, WHI look,
Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with farming. I enjoy a nice steak.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything wrong with farming. But when
Speaker 4: you take these wild animals and you're pretending that you're hunting,
Speaker 4: but really you're kind of doing some pseudo farming type thing,
Speaker 4: that's really what's going on. It's like you're shooting fish
Speaker 4: in a barrel, literally literally shooting fish in a barrel.
Speaker 4: That's really what you're doing. Who was it?
Speaker 1: I feel like you cracked me when I mentioned this before.
Speaker 1: But was it Jesse Helms or someone who's like, I know,
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what pornography is, but no, that was.
Speaker 3: A Supreme Justice that was That was when it came
Speaker 3: to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4: What guy was? I can't.
Speaker 5: It was, oh, gosh, Parence Thomas. Nope, but he said
Speaker 5: Michael Jackson. Might have been Robert bork Uh might have said.
Speaker 1: It wasn't Elms.
Speaker 3: I can't remember. He said, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I know it when I see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that is one like that's one thing I
Speaker 1: feel about as far as fair chase, it's difficult to define.
Speaker 1: It's difficult to define down fair chase because I'll say, like,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with fence honey. Like, to me, it
Speaker 1: just feels like farming, and you're bullshitting yourself and others
Speaker 1: when you act like it's hunting. People Like, what if
Speaker 1: I'm hunting a fence place that's like twelve thousand acres,
Speaker 1: you know, way bigger than an individual animals home.
Speaker 4: Range start under you know who that is? He was
Speaker 4: a Supreme Court I believe whatever, So fuck that guy.
Speaker 1: They'll put out something like that and you're like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: in that case, maybe that's whatever. So it's like it's
Speaker 1: like it's so hard for me to sit down and say,
Speaker 1: like fair chase hunting is blank. But some stuff's just
Speaker 1: not right, you know, it's just not We'll tell you
Speaker 1: what is fair chase hunting black tailed deer Prince Wales
Speaker 1: island in the rain and fog.
Speaker 4: Yeah, climb so fair.
Speaker 1: Chase in fact that I really have no idea. I
Speaker 1: feel like if we hunt hard and keep a good
Speaker 1: attitude and and and really get out there and pound it,
Speaker 1: even if the weather's bad. I think we'll do good.
Speaker 1: If we were going there and the weather was going
Speaker 1: to be good and it's not. If we're going to
Speaker 1: the weather would be good, I think that we would
Speaker 1: have just a fantastic hunt. I think we'd be coming
Speaker 1: back every night.
Speaker 4: With with deer.
Speaker 1: But it's just you know, you get the when the fog,
Speaker 1: the rain, things get hard, things get miserable. Yeah, fair, chase, Yeah,
Speaker 1: anything you want to add.
Speaker 4: You try to keep this to an hour. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: not doing anything you want to sleep.
Speaker 1: Because our audience we don't have the amount of drug
Speaker 1: takers that your audience does.
Speaker 4: That's not what it is. You know what it is.
Speaker 4: It's commuters. It's like you by imposing a time, you know, like, look,
Speaker 4: if someone downloads a podcast, most people have enough room
Speaker 4: on their phone or on the whatever, the computer wherever
Speaker 4: they put it. They have enough room for three hours
Speaker 4: or five hours or whatever, and they delete the old
Speaker 4: ones when they run out of time. But when someone's
Speaker 4: on a plane or when someone's like driving, that's when
Speaker 4: I think they appreciate long podcasts.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you don't have to listen to all of it.
Speaker 4: Everybody was telling me when I first started doing podcasts,
Speaker 4: you got to dedit this. That's one of the earliest complaints.
Speaker 1: The ear piece of advice they have was the even
Speaker 1: Ari was.
Speaker 4: One of my best friends.
Speaker 3: Three hours.
Speaker 4: What was the idea? Just because I wanted to do
Speaker 4: three hours?
Speaker 1: You wanted to feel as long as a really good movie? Man.
Speaker 4: No, My my personal instinct was I enjoy talking to
Speaker 4: people for long periods of time because I think the
Speaker 4: conversations they make, they take turns, and as long as
Speaker 4: my attention span is there while I'm having a conversation,
Speaker 4: why stop it, keep it rolling? Are you tired? You
Speaker 4: tired of talking? If you're not tired of talking, let's
Speaker 4: keep talking. That's always been my feeling because I think
Speaker 4: that the deeper you get into a conversation, a conversation
Speaker 4: is uh, it plays out not you know. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not like a movie. Obviously a movie is far
Speaker 4: more difficult to make. But there's turns and twists, and
Speaker 4: you find out more about a person, and you get
Speaker 4: to understand a person's style of communicating, and while while
Speaker 4: you're talking to someone, when you're doing a podcast, especially
Speaker 4: when you're the host of a podcast, because you're kind
Speaker 4: of thinking about the entertainment value of it or how
Speaker 4: it should be. I'm constantly thinking at it, about it,
Speaker 4: not just as a person who's engaged in a conversation,
Speaker 4: but as a person who might be listening to this.
Speaker 4: I want to try to play Devil's advocate as much
Speaker 4: as possible. I want to try to cover as many
Speaker 4: points of view as possible. And I also I'm kind
Speaker 4: of understanding this person's style of communicating, and I'm trying
Speaker 4: to figure out a way to not talk over them
Speaker 4: or pause as much as possible, or give them as
Speaker 4: much of an opportunity to expound on their ideas. That
Speaker 4: takes time, you know, I think that you know some podcasts.
Speaker 4: I bailed on something the other day after two hours?
Speaker 4: Did this guy's bar? Really? Thanks a lot? Man? And
Speaker 4: I tell you say they can kind of tell remember that.
Speaker 1: Mitch Hedberg joke about taking attention deficit disorder drugs even
Speaker 1: though he's not afflicted.
Speaker 4: How did it go? He said?
Speaker 1: He runs around saying, man, there's gotta be more to
Speaker 1: that story.
Speaker 4: Kind of hilarious, That's hilarious.
Speaker 5: Some people are just like, you know what with Dimitri
Speaker 5: Martin was like he said he was doing a joke
Speaker 5: and he goes. One thing you never hear is somebody say, God,
Speaker 5: wish that guy had talked more about himself at that party,
Speaker 5: or Wow, I wish that.
Speaker 4: Guy would drop more names.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't really get a strong sense of his
Speaker 1: professional connections.
Speaker 4: Do you know that way? You know that way?
Speaker 5: And I think I can say it Nick Nolty, because
Speaker 5: he's been such a product of Hollywood for so long.
Speaker 5: He literally I spent a long time with him. I
Speaker 5: never yeah, I never. I spent enough time with him,
Speaker 5: like in the background the scenes in that movie Warrior.
Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time.
Speaker 5: I did a reading with him, went to his house,
Speaker 5: and one of the fascinating two things that I noticed
Speaker 5: One he had no story that didn't involve Hollywood and
Speaker 5: a star, and two ibbly spent I don't know how
Speaker 5: many hours he never asked me one question about myself,
Speaker 5: Like just not one thing.
Speaker 4: You see, when I talked to him, all he wanted
Speaker 4: to talk to about is me? Is that right?
Speaker 1: Is Joe talking about that? Because I was going to
Speaker 1: your mind when he killed that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well he was like, you're like a rich man's
Speaker 5: Joe Rogan Brian killing I want to spend time with you.
Speaker 4: I saw him in Fries once. He was buying a
Speaker 4: computer for his kid, and he was just totally normal, like,
Speaker 4: oh hey, Joe, you're buying a computer trying to figure
Speaker 4: out which one. My boy, that was good.
Speaker 3: He's a great guy, very good.
Speaker 1: And then Michael who's that guy Mo used to work for?
Speaker 1: Talk about name drop Michael Man and then Michael Man
Speaker 1: show they were doing or Nick Noldy was in it
Speaker 1: as the horse guy.
Speaker 4: What movies that? What shows?
Speaker 1: That was like a series? He got cancer because they
Speaker 1: kept killing horses. Oh, I don't know what the Southern
Speaker 1: One game was a horse game. It got canceled because
Speaker 1: they were killing all the horses kept all dying. Yeah luck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's just also not veryck.
Speaker 1: Noldy was in it. No, man, I like that show.
Speaker 4: So it was the show about horse racing and the
Speaker 4: horses were dying during production.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was like one died, it was a
Speaker 1: big deal. Another one died and they just ended the show.
Speaker 4: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: Because people weren't watching it.
Speaker 4: On a related.
Speaker 1: Man, it was hard to follow. But Nick Nolty was
Speaker 1: cool in it, and he was the only cool thing
Speaker 1: about that recent uh, the Robert Red for one. It
Speaker 1: was kind of like based off The Weather Weather Underground.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he comes out and does a role. He's
Speaker 4: he's like good, he was great and warrior. He was
Speaker 4: fucking that's a lot of people didn't see that movie.
Speaker 4: That movie was not a well received movie, but Nick
Speaker 4: Nolty's role in it was fucking incredible and you were
Speaker 4: in it. He played this alcoholic dad who was a
Speaker 4: trainer who just missed as somebody. He has this one
Speaker 4: breakdown scene. It's fucking incredible. It's hard to believe the
Speaker 4: guy's not really breaking down while the scene's going. It's incredible.
Speaker 3: And he got sober for that movie.
Speaker 4: Man, I mean that was He's amazing. Yeah, that guy
Speaker 4: can act his ass off. He's a real artist, all right.
Speaker 1: So you can catch Brian callon the movie wore Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's right, good plays me.
Speaker 1: You can catch play Play Joe Roker. You can catch
Speaker 1: Brian Kallen on that true.
Speaker 4: I tried to get Joe to do it and he
Speaker 4: plays like he does my role that I do with
Speaker 4: the UFC. He did that in My Name is that movie.
Speaker 3: Brian Callen on the show.
Speaker 1: And you can catch Brian Callen is it really Yeah?
Speaker 5: You can see me in everything you guys, you ever
Speaker 5: heard of the movie you heard not to make it
Speaker 5: about me, The hangover of Matt TVs first two years
Speaker 5: of MA TV. Guys, go get those DVDs. Huh, I'll
Speaker 5: make I can feel I can finally get that operation.
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, Joe, Thanks many to doing this.
Speaker 3: It's awesome. Steve Raellen