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Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater podcast. We're recording out of Ketchikan, Alaska,

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Speaker 1: along the famed Inside Passage. We're actually specifically recording in

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Speaker 1: what I considered to be my favorite hotel in the

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Speaker 1: United States of America, the Super Eight of ketch Can, Alaska,

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Speaker 1: in which Dan Doty, who's here, we'll get to him

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Speaker 1: in a minute.

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Speaker 2: It's actually the worst hotel ever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no idea. I've been staying here for

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Speaker 1: a decade and then Dan Doty and staying here with

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Speaker 1: Dan Doty different rooms for a decade, and he just

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Speaker 1: revealed me that it is least favorite hotel in the

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Speaker 1: whole place. This, however you feel about the Super eight,

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Speaker 1: Ketchcan is a rough, rough town. If you like feeling

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Speaker 1: like you if you like going out and then coming

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Speaker 1: home and feeling like you almost just got your ass kicked,

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Speaker 1: ketch Caan' is a good place to go, I think

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Speaker 1: because the town has walled in, Like if you back up,

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Speaker 1: you're in the mountains. You go forward, you're in the ocean.

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Speaker 1: The road here doesn't connect any hihighway system, and people

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Speaker 1: feel like real uh like they get the feeling a

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Speaker 1: little cooped up and catch a can and they all

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Speaker 1: are like ambush hunters waiting for something new to roll

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Speaker 1: into town to pounce on them. It goes fast. Like

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Speaker 1: one of the guys who worked with MO one time

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Speaker 1: got you know, a woman came up to him to

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Speaker 1: criticize him about how much his rain jacket costs, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that was like she was like nagging him. It

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Speaker 1: was like her way of picking him up would be

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Speaker 1: to go ridicule him. But usually you go to the

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Speaker 1: bar and a guy will come up like he wants

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Speaker 1: to hang out, but in fact he wants to beat

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Speaker 1: you up. Brought to you today by SOG Knives and

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Speaker 1: Tool the company SOD got to start this. This guy

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Speaker 1: is this guy the designer, still the designer now, this guy,

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Speaker 1: Spencer Frasier, was used to build these replica knives of

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Speaker 1: the knives used by the Special Opera Rations Group in Vietnam,

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Speaker 1: like their combat knife, And he started doing that and

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Speaker 1: it slowly built this company out. So he has it's

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Speaker 1: a huge array of tactical knives and tools that are

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Speaker 1: super popular with military and law enforcement personnel. And now

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Speaker 1: they've got like a great line of hunting knives and

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Speaker 1: tools out. I mean, they got everything from hatchets to machetes.

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Speaker 1: Brian Cowen, who's here? How do you say that?

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Speaker 3: In Spanish?

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Speaker 4: I have a souvenir Meat Eater hunting knife. You don't have.

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Speaker 1: It's only there's only two or three of those in exist.

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Speaker 3: I have a I was given on the first Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have one of those too. I have one

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Speaker 4: of those two, but I have one with the meat

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Speaker 4: Eater logo. You don't have one of those. You know

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Speaker 4: how I know because he gave it to me. You

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Speaker 4: got really sad you were there?

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Speaker 5: Okay, obviously you've been in my knife chest. That's interesting

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Speaker 5: because I don't don't remember you ever being in my mind.

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Speaker 1: Do something rude you. I should have saved it for

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Speaker 1: ketch a can. Yeah, well I would have done something

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Speaker 1: rude to you in a bar and catch game.

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Speaker 5: You whether you don't know whether I went to the

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Speaker 5: offices and the head brass at Meat Eater and they

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Speaker 5: made one specially, you don't know that for sure.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me?

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Speaker 4: What's the name of the production company? Production company? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the name of the production Is this a court of law?

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Speaker 1: Now? If the place that you would go to if

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Speaker 1: you have machets, fixed blades, folding knives and in my

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Speaker 1: opinion probably the not probably the best and most versatile

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Speaker 1: line of multi tools out there. Definitely the best player

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Speaker 1: ever mounted on a multi tool. And there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of other great innovations they put on these things too

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Speaker 1: mad for me to really get into. But just the

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Speaker 1: one that's interesting is on a sock multi tool you

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Speaker 1: can actually take like just regular household tools and disassemble

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Speaker 1: the thing, you know, using a torque bit or an

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Speaker 1: aland but you can pull it out and then customize

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Speaker 1: the blade configurations to match up with what you want

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Speaker 1: it for. I made mine. I call mine the Super

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Speaker 1: Big Game Deluxe. I haven't pattened to that yet. This

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Speaker 1: the beautiful and Lovely Brian, the Kid Count, and the

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Speaker 1: wonderful Joe Rogan. If Joe Rogan did not exist, you

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Speaker 1: would not be listening to this podcast right now because

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan was my inspiration.

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Speaker 3: He's a pioneer.

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Speaker 1: He's a pioneer in podcasting. Were you doing podcasting before

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Speaker 1: they called it podcasting?

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Speaker 4: No, they've been. I think they started calling it podcasting

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Speaker 4: when the iPod was invented. I believe the term was

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Speaker 4: invented by Adam Curry, the guy who is the MTV

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Speaker 4: VJ who has a show now called No Agenda that

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Speaker 4: he does. I'm pretty sure he invented the term podcasting.

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Speaker 4: He might have invented podcasting itself.

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Speaker 1: Is he the guy that's now? Is there like a thing?

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Speaker 1: I remember you were involved, like someone was trying to.

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Speaker 4: Lawsuit?

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Speaker 4: Did that ever get resolved favorably? It's a podcaster, Yes

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Speaker 4: it did. It's called their patent trolls. They essentially wanted

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Speaker 4: to get a patent. This is the paraphrase version of

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Speaker 4: it that they they had a patent on things put

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Speaker 4: But they were patent trolls. They had done this before

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Speaker 4: sued Apple for a lot of money. I think they

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Speaker 4: won several million dollars from Apple. But a company like

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Speaker 4: Apple just says, fuck it, I'll just give you the

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Speaker 4: money to shut your whole. Like it's worth more to

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Speaker 4: give them seven million dollars than it is to get

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Speaker 4: Tim Cook and all these guys to go to court somewhere.

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Speaker 1: But they must have I mean, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: get into this. It's you grade detail as I mean,

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Speaker 1: Apple just hands out money to anyone who comes up.

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Speaker 1: Like if I came up and said, hey man, my

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Speaker 4: I don't know what they had what they had with Apple.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the lawsuit was based on. But

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Speaker 4: They still well, I don't know about Apple, this is

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Speaker 4: exhorbitant amounts of money in legal fees. Adam Carolla spent

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Speaker 4: was almost no case. But that's the idea. It's like,

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Speaker 1: That's what I remember seeing that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole thing is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Also joined by the labbyan lover. You guys know what

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Speaker 1: Jannis used to go by, Janni's long tongue.

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Speaker 1: Do you wish you had told me that story? Because

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Speaker 2: Long tongue Italian restaurant.

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Speaker 1: Beaver Creek, Colorado, and then and then got fired from

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Speaker 3: Got good length of bone and.

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Speaker 1: Has a labban power ring.

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Speaker 4: Mean, look at his power ring.

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Speaker 1: His brother wears one too. If they touch him as sparks,

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Speaker 1: it's a Jann just to prove. Just say say if

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Speaker 4: You can't do that.

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Speaker 5: It's been like, uh, this place is terrible and by

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Speaker 4: So well, judging by that, this is fine. This is fine.

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Speaker 4: If I mean, if this is terrible, then and I

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Speaker 4: But there's something, there is something first class. You're sitting

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Speaker 3: You're a natural.

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Speaker 2: There is something about this place that just has been

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been kind of more more than suddenly trying

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Speaker 1: to put the put the end to this trip. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's just like he's like, we kind of I think Dan,

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Speaker 1: we've got something online and we've filmed the piss out

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Speaker 1: of that place?

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Speaker 4: Is it because it's your not you have your cabin

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Speaker 1: Also? I just love it. I love it because I

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Speaker 1: honestly I feel like it feels really nice weather I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're a weirdo like that.

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Speaker 1: I love it and not enjoy bad weather. I just

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Speaker 4: You like struggle, you know. And it was highlighted in

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Speaker 4: I hope they line up. I hope both my tags

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Speaker 4: You are a maist. Well, I think what you are

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Speaker 5: Everything felt like a struggle and I didn't really I

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Speaker 1: And finally, Ryan Collins, you never brought this up YouTube video.

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Speaker 2: You just complained about the cold.

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Speaker 1: Man. If you put his Mustang an extra warm, no question,

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Speaker 3: He's a great guy. Sorry he's not here.

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Speaker 6: Quick note though, on enjoying hard hunts, I think it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I appreciate it. Tough hunt, and I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: Super Slam then World.

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Speaker 1: Slam Super Slam for turkeys, which I which I like

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Speaker 1: So what I'm getting at is you boys, you're getting

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Speaker 5: The bigger the person, the better they are conserving heat.

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Speaker 4: Like, what's a big one? What's a big sick of

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of them weigh Like I said, man,

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Speaker 1: hunting in the magazine. But all their bucks got names, man,

439
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, I mean they got bucks that just the

440
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 1: bucks on the cover of the magazine are just farm bucks.

441
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 1: It's like buck you're not going to see in the wild.

442
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 1: It's like Larry the Buck. You know, it won't say that.

443
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: It was like a Pennsylvania giant, you know. And the

444
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: photographer took them an hour to try to get a

445
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 1: shot where it wasn't like a.

446
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 5: Why why are the wolves in Yellowstone? And I don't

447
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 5: know if these are doctored photographs?

448
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: Sorry?

449
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 5: Why are they so welcome?

450
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Speaker 1: To the podcast.

451
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 3: Sorry, Brian, back back.

452
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Speaker 5: Why are the wolves and Yellowstone so so giant, like

453
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Speaker 5: these guys who've shot them and they're holding them up

454
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 5: and they're literally bigger than by farther person. Is that

455
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 5: because they have so much access to elk and they're just.

456
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: Killing I think they're big, well fed. There's there's conspiracy

457
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: theories that many, like the Forest Service somehow wanted to

458
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: really stick it to really screw over Montans and whelming people,

459
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: and so they're like, well, I know what I'll do

460
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: to them. I'll go get super wools, which is what

461
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: they call them. I'll go get super wolves from elsewhere

462
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: Canada and bring them down and let them go. And

463
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 1: these wolves are way bigger than the wolves that were

464
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: here at the time of European contact, and that'll show

465
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: them and they'll know not I don't really know what

466
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: they're like if they're trying to stick it to them,

467
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're sticking it to them about.

468
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 1: But that's one theory. Is that Another thing would be

469
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: that they right now are expanding their range. They have

470
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: in many areas low like low competition with other wolves

471
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Speaker 1: because they're still in an expansion phase, like the energy

472
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: moves outward, you know, to new territory, and there's a

473
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: lot to eat and they're healthy.

474
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 5: How much does weigh? How much is a big timber wolf?

475
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: What they can weigh? A couple hundred pounds? But people

476
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: say that that's like one of those numbers we've thought

477
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: this was before. There's certain numbers that always get thrown around,

478
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: like you know, you know, like mountain lion. Yeah, yeah,

479
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and so like the wolves are that big,

480
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: but I mean they're giants. They're giants, they're huge.

481
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 6: We did hear that story from a fairly credible source

482
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 6: about the guy that knew the trapper that supposedly trapped

483
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 6: live trapped some of these wolves from the first introduction.

484
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: The ninety seven introduction or whatever, Yeah.

485
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, into Yellowstone, and that he had trapped like sixteen

486
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 6: or seventeen wolves and he had them and he picked

487
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 6: like hand picked the biggest, baddest, meanest wolves, like the

488
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 6: wolves that all the rest of the wolves in the

489
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 6: pens were like like scared of and coward. He's like

490
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 6: those stupid bastards down the states, Let's send in these three.

491
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: He's like, you want wolves? Do you hear wolves? I

492
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: don't know what you're thinking.

493
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 4: Here, you go. It seems like a crazy idea. It

494
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 4: seems like a crazy idea that's kind of backfiring in

495
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 4: a lot of places.

496
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Speaker 1: I don't know, man. Yeah, the numbers are high, really high. Right, Well,

497
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: they got they start. They feel like they maybe when

498
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: the hunts were running, you know, they felt like they

499
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: turned the corner in Montana a little bit. I know,

500
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: my brother was just and you know, the one that

501
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: just lost the significant portion of elk to bears. He

502
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: was up and saw seven of them. You know, I

503
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: mean nothing. I mean that's like totally anecdotal, but they're out.

504
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: Like it's funny because the area, the area we hunt

505
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: elk in me past as him. Still, we started hunting

506
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: elk in this area, hunt there for ten years. We

507
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: started hunting elk there in ninety six. So it's for

508
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: the wolf thing hit that elk herd that we've hunted

509
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: has been greatly reduced. You know, it's like the elk

510
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: numbers have declined in that specific herd. They had declined

511
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: by you know, fifty percent.

512
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: Wow.

513
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: But my brother kills an elk every year. His success

514
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: rate has maintained, has gone the same and I think

515
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: it's like elk go down, but his knowledge level of

516
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,239
Speaker 1: the area, you know, has kept pace. He's sort of

517
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: made up for it now. I can only imagine because

518
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 1: before wolves came in, this is like, this sounds totally

519
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: just like one guy's experience. It's by other people say

520
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 1: this too. When wolves came in hard, we're kind of

521
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: like ladies and gentlemen. We're kind of talking about what

522
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: they call the greater Yellowstone ecosystem, or the area around

523
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: Yellowstone where the wolves are now wombing Idaho, Montana. But

524
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: when those wolves came in and really start hammering those elk,

525
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: the elk got paranoid in a way that they weren't before.

526
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: You know. I think they just got like a mentality

527
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: of just being like hunted all the time.

528
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 4: You know.

529
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: So it used to it felt for a while like

530
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: when you went on an opening day and that they

531
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: hadn't been harassed by hunters. They were just relaxed in

532
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: the way, and they were in vulnerable locations. And I

533
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: think that and many people agree with this, that that

534
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: hurt has adjusted its behavior so much it'll eventually have

535
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: to adjust its behavior a lot in order to learn

536
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: how to cope with the new threat. But think of

537
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: it in the reverse. If you think about taking a

538
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: drive for the Yellstone National Park, you're going to Yellowstone now,

539
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: and the elk and Yellowstone are scared shitless of wolves.

540
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: They're scared shitless of grizzlies. What they don't care about

541
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: are human beings. Okay, so you'll have elk feeding ten

542
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: twenty thirty feet from your car, oblivious to your presence.

543
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: Not oblivious. They know you're there, they just don't care.

544
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 4: Right.

545
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: Yellowstone has them been actively hunted for over one hundred years. Okay,

546
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: so on that chunk of property, they have ruled out

547
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: humans as being something to be worried about. So when

548
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: they're out they can go feed in the area where

549
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: maybe they're safe from wolves or safer from wolves, where

550
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: they can see around or whatever. But also at the

551
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: same time they don't have to worry all about their

552
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: proximity to people. If all of a sudden tomorrow you

553
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: start saying that, you know, I'm gonna let a handful

554
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: of hunters every year come into Yellstone National Park and

555
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: just start taking potshots at these elk, someone would come

556
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: in and stay like these elk are stupid. They just

557
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: stand there and let you shoot them. But it'll be yeah,

558
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 1: because they haven't adjusted to the threat yet, you know, right,

559
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: And so with wolves they will eventually, hopefully they will

560
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: reach some kind of like technological stalemate with the wolves

561
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: where they seem like a little bit better to withstand

562
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: the kind of pressure. One hope is that's starting to

563
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: happen at the same time. You know, I'm an advocate

564
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: of continuing to whittle down the wolf numbers, just managing

565
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: like you would anything else, you know.

566
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: Just because they're still devastating, not so.

567
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: Much because it's so devastating because they're renewable resource, you know,

568
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: are they like they're renewable resource. There's hunter interest in them.

569
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: It's been proven by most people who don't have a

570
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: political as to grind believe that we can maintain a

571
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: harvest on wolves without destroying the resource or damaging the resource,

572
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: like you maintain a viable population of them, the same

573
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: way we try to maintain a viable population of mountain lions.

574
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: Viable population of black bears.

575
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Speaker 5: We rebuilt on line are so incredibly plentiful in Utah,

576
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 5: for example, that when you get your fishing license, it

577
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 5: comes automatically with a mountain lion tag?

578
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: Is that true?

579
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so. I was amazed at that. When you

580
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 5: apply for a fishing license, look.

581
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: It up whether you have a hunt license or not.

582
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 5: When you apply for a fishing license, you get an

583
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 5: automatic tag for a for a mountain lion license.

584
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: I was amazed.

585
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: What do you think of that?

586
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 6: California?

587
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: No, no, Utah hunt lines of California, Utah thought?

588
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: While one just attacked a kid in Silicon Valley? Do

589
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: you hear about that? Cooper Tino. Six year old kid

590
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: got attacked by a mountain lion. His father had a

591
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 4: fucking scream and yelled the mountainline to get it off

592
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 4: the kid. The cops did. Cops found the mountain line,

593
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: killed it. They got the DNA from the kid's jacket.

594
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 4: So when they shot the mountain line they did, they

595
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 4: knew they had the right one.

596
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 5: In Colorado, six year old was walking between her family

597
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 5: or parents, and mountain liin just came down, took her.

598
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: Took her off, not dead though, no kill her.

599
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: Took her off. Yeah. I'm not a big fan of

600
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: When was that four or five years old? Okay, I'm

601
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 4: not a big fan of casts.

602
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: That's a terrible tragedy. I mean, that's like, what in

603
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: the world.

604
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 4: I don't know.

605
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, is it worse than a car?

606
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 5: I mean well, I mean in all respect, no, I

607
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 5: mean it's so rare, like how many how many people

608
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 5: have really been killed by bound lines?

609
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: One every twenty years? Man, Yeah, it's that's why I

610
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: can't That's why. That's why it's No, it's like what

611
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: there's like one mountain lion fatality every twenty years.

612
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: So rare.

613
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: Man, it's so rare.

614
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: You know. What I heard recently was the number of

615
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: years I was saying, did you see this the last

616
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: time a bow hunter was killed by a grit? Like

617
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: as much as both, Like, when you're hunting bow hunting

618
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: for elk, you're cow calling, you're making you're mimicking the

619
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: sound of a cow out hit it, you honest, hit

620
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: a nice cow call.

621
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

622
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Grizzlies hear that. Yeah, they hear that, and they

623
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: hunt the sound. So bow hunters are frequently, like just

624
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: in my own extended circle, like friends of friends, every

625
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: there's like guys that are calling in grizzlies while trying

626
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: to call out Not I couldn't believe this. Not a

627
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: bowl hunter's been killed in the Rocky Mountains at least

628
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: twenty five years by grizzlies.

629
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I forget what it was. Someone wrote a statement

630
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 6: saying that it was happening Chuck Adams.

631
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, all due respect to Chuck Adams. I mean he's

632
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: like a like a great hunter, has been writing a

633
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: lot more about a lot more stuff than I ever

634
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: have in my life. Uh, when it comes to hunting.

635
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: Made the mistake of saying, like how sometimes bowl hunters

636
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: do get killed or unfortunately they do get killed, and

637
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: then someone did the research said no, in fact, they don't.

638
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: There's no record of a ballner.

639
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 6: I think it's been long from.

640
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ben long from back huntry hunters and anglers was

641
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: the one that wound up saying that, no, it doesn't

642
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: have but anyways, yeah, once every twenty years. I think

643
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: it's once every twenty years. Kids are more vulnerable, the

644
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: kids and ladies, joggers particularly. I think you look like

645
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: something the lion wants to snack on.

646
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: It looks like something's running away too, Probably something scared.

647
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: Not the way I run.

648
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: I've seen bought to.

649
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 6: Fishing licenses and I didn't see that on my fishing license.

650
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: Look it up. I was just told that by my father.

651
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: Does I mean there's like a handful of reasons why

652
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be right.

653
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: It doesn't seem to make sense.

654
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 5: You don't, Now, I'm curious. My father told me that

655
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 5: my father did. He just got he just gotta. He

656
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 5: lives in Utah and he and he got a fishing

657
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 5: license and he said that you get an automatic tag

658
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 5: from you.

659
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: I think I think he maybe got fishing line. Yeah,

660
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: we're talking about something that we're not able to resolve,

661
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: which is like one of the.

662
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: Right.

663
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: So what he probably got is they probably sent him

664
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: because they had his name and everything, they probably maybe

665
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: sent him a lion application of permit application. Regardless, I've

666
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: seen three lions. He used to seem like a lot,

667
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: and I feel like it's only three lions. Jay Scott,

668
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: who Janice guided for it for a long time. Colbert

669
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: and Scott Outfitters, they guide what they got. Elk Arizona,

670
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: the guy.

671
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: In Mexico, Colorado, Muleier, Colorado.

672
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: Mulder. I said to Jaz said, hey, many how many

673
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: lines you've seen? And he spends a lot of time

674
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: behind his binoculars. He said, I'm looking for number thirty five, right,

675
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: now whoa hunt.

676
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 4: He's seen.

677
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: He's glassed up thirty five lions hunt, but he.

678
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 6: Does live behind his binoculars for a great of the year.

679
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 5: The guy who was I think the head of the

680
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 5: fishing game or Wildlife Service or whatever, I remember he

681
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 5: had to step down. He was in California, yep. And

682
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 5: he hunted him outain line very legally.

683
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: In another state.

684
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, And and they flipped out on him.

685
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: You can't hunt lines of coat.

686
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 5: While people were like, listen, the the amount of money

687
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 5: that the parks make on hunting licenses and stuff, that's

688
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 5: what supports you know, the habitat and to maintain the

689
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 5: maintenance of the habitat attata and all the other things.

690
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 4: Well, that's a real problem with California, right. It's ideologically driven.

691
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: It doesn't really have anything to do with matching wildlife.

692
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have like California actually have some like outsfolks

693
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: anti hunting people who were on their you know, fishing

694
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: Wildlife Commission.

695
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 4: It's hilarious.

696
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: Usually called fishing game, and there's a lot of states

697
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: where it's not fishing game, but California was fishing game

698
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: in California just became not fishing game. They became like

699
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: fishing wildlife to sort of disassociate with the term game,

700
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: which is sort of like objectification of animals. I feel

701
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: bad for people in California. They get hammered all the time.

702
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: Like it was first that you can't hunt lions with

703
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: a dog, then you can't hunt lions at all. Now

704
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: it is a big thing to have, like no dog

705
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: hunting whatsoever, like no dog hunting mammals or something of anything.

706
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 4: They still have bear hunting, but they don't have bear

707
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 4: with dogs. And so I just got rid of that.

708
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 4: When we were at the Hone ranch, they were saying,

709
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: it's pointless to hunt bears without dogs. You can't bait,

710
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 4: you can't use dogs. Then you can't find bears.

711
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: Like in that area'd be tough, man, it'd be tough

712
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: other states like Montana, you can't run bears with a dog,

713
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: you can't bait for bears. But it's still but the

714
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: topography warrants itself to spot and start bear hunting, which

715
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: is really good, you know. And if it's like like Maine,

716
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: is November very likely through the Humane Society, Maine will

717
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: very likely November vote down bear baiting. Okay, pushed entirely

718
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: funded entirely by Humane Society. But they put it to

719
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: a referendum. They had it up before and it lost

720
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: by a few points. It's coming back up now. A

721
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: lot of people think that it'll pass and they'll like

722
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: do a baiting ban on bears and Maine, but Maine's

723
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: largely flat, heavily vegetated. To ban baiting for bears is

724
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: essentially to ban bear hunting, and they know this, you know,

725
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: And so that's how people like go after hunting stuff

726
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: is they try to like isolate out little like what

727
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: they consider fringe activities. Because I was reading his poll

728
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: on time. They did this poll in Arizona saying to people,

729
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: do you support a person's right to hunt?

730
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 4: You know?

731
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: And you wind up getting this whatever it is, I

732
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what seventy six percent of the population is. Like, Yes,

733
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: you do the same poll and ask people specific questions

734
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: and it starts going down, down, down and out, like

735
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: do you support someone's right to hunt?

736
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 4: Blank?

737
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: And it drops. So it's like they like the idea

738
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: of it, but the specificity of.

739
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 5: It, especially things like baiting. You know, whatever it is,

740
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: it feels like it's trophy. It feels like you're not.

741
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 5: Really there's no skill involved. That's what it feels like, right,

742
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 5: So if you say we're going to bait the bear

743
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 5: in and shoot it, it feels like target.

744
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 4: Well, most people are against hunting bears at all. I

745
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: would imagine if you just put an online poll on

746
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 4: Facebook saying how many people are pro bear hunting, it

747
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 4: would be a giant number would be against it.

748
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: When I first proposed it to you, I remember you

749
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: were really uneasy about the idea. Yeah, but you wanted

750
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: something was gonna be good to eat.

751
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to hunt deer. The first time I

752
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 4: wanted a hunt, I was like, man, bear, I don't

753
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 4: know about all that. But having shot a bear now

754
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 4: and eating a bear, they're great to eat. Yeah, they

755
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 4: taste good. They mean they taste good. It's not like

756
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 4: you have to convince yourself. And I had to argue

757
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: with people online that were giving me a hard time

758
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: that were actually hunters, that were telling me you can't

759
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 4: tell me bear is good to eat. It's ridiculous. You know,

760
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: I've been hunting my whole life. You know, everyone I

761
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: know says bear tastes off. I'm like, you're crazy, you know,

762
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 4: I've eaten it. I'm telling you from the flesh in

763
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 4: my mouth chewing it down. It tastes good, doesn't taste

764
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 4: bad at all. That there's good depends upon.

765
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 6: Just because someone is a great hunter does not make

766
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 6: them a good cook of wild game.

767
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: True too, right, But it's also people have attitudes about

768
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 4: certain animals where they just discard the meat. You know,

769
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: there's some people that have no part. When we were

770
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 4: in camp, we were in Honty camp, there's this one

771
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: guy that was with us who would not eat the

772
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 4: bear meat. He just wouldn't eat the beer. He shot

773
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 4: a big ass seven foot bear.

774
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 5: That might also because like there's always been a history

775
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 5: of you know, certain things you don't eat, right, So

776
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 5: so mountain lion or a bear especially.

777
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 4: Apparently tastes really good.

778
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: It's really good.

779
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: It is good.

780
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 3: Mountain is good.

781
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: It's really like pork, really white flesh, white flesh.

782
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: I ate some mountain lion burgers once, and then that

783
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: night I had a dream that a mountain lion was

784
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: eating me. Is that true?

785
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 5: Mountain lion bird?

786
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 4: That's dark?

787
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: It was laced with the aahwascar For.

788
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 5: Some reason, I would imagine though animal.

789
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 4: Roof. My wife said, I smelled different when I came home,

790
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 4: I've been eaten bear. She actually saw that you smelled different.

791
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 4: She said, I smelled like a killer.

792
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: First time she ever smelled a man.

793
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 4: She said it was weird because you smell like like threatening.

794
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 4: Really yeah, because he was like, I wonder, I wonder if, like,

795
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 4: if you need predators.

796
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 3: Do it do a grizzly thing.

797
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: Incredible.

798
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 5: It's the greatest bear bear call I've ever heard.

799
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: My man, I know you're making I just want to

800
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: add real quick about that whole smell thing.

801
00:38:59,080 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 4: My man.

802
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: I was a kid, had a friend who during during

803
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: deer season would only eat like leafy greens and carrots

804
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: and stuff.

805
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense. Your breath.

806
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: He really felt that.

807
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 4: You know, well, I've seen on hunting shows guys eat

808
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 4: spruce tree needles. They chew the because your breath. Apparently

809
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 4: that's that's the thing that the animals really smell.

810
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: That was one of the big things about all the

811
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: charcoal infused clothing and like sand control of clothing. Wow,

812
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: you put it all on. But people say, but dude,

813
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: your whole your whole like smell factory. Man, this is

814
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: you exhaling. I think they probably.

815
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 5: Something smell people's breath from like five hundred yards away.

816
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 4: Tim Burnett said that he was hunting once and I

817
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 4: think he said two hundred yards. He said he was

818
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 4: down wind to two hundred yards and he saw an

819
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 4: animal go like that. He knew the animal winded him

820
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 4: and he ran off.

821
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: Dude, absolutely, absolutely, that's nothing.

822
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: Two hundred yards nothing, that's incredible. It is incredible to animals. Yes,

823
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: the wind came from him to the animal two hundred

824
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 4: yards away. He might have said three. I think you

825
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 4: might have said yeah, but he was like, I can't

826
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 4: believe that thing can.

827
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: Smell that smell particles would travel that quickly.

828
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: Well. Tim was also talking about some new product. It's

829
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 4: like a nose blocker or nose jammer, scent jammer. It's

830
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: called you've heard of that. It does something confuses the

831
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: hell out of the deer. Like he used it on you,

832
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 4: put it on you, and like that. You could see

833
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: the deer like going like what is that? The deer

834
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 4: was like putting its nose up in the air but

835
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 4: stayed there, didn't run off, but it was like what

836
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 4: is this? Like it was just confusing it. I think

837
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 4: it's called bomb no no, no, So I think it's

838
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 4: called scent Jammer. Yeah.

839
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 5: Call me the buck Bomb. They call me the buck Bomb,

840
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 5: they called me the fucker. The kid, game Kid yep,

841
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 5: game id Killer, yep.

842
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: The casual beer killer is the best. He was wearing

843
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: casual beer. Yep.

844
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: Did you bring some this time?

845
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 4: Yeah? Brought.

846
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: I got two pieces of cashmere.

847
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: Would you bring your scarf?

848
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 4: I brought a beautiful.

849
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 5: Lightweight cashmere sweater James purse and uh and then a

850
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 5: lovely V neck, a lovely hunter green V neck by

851
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 5: James James. J Crew really brings out my bring brings

852
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 5: out my James Crew. It's the higher level of j Crew.

853
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 5: It brings out my autumn brown eyes. So you'll have

854
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 5: a good time, all right.

855
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: So I feel like we're like on a tangent.

856
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 4: On the tangent we were what podcasts were all. Yeah,

857
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I was credit. I was interested

858
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 4: in the main line eating bear the first bear firste Yeah.

859
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 4: And the guy that did eat the bear yeah yeah.

860
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 4: Well this guy he shot two of them, didn't need

861
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: any of it.

862
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: I wonder when people are uneasy with bear hunting. I

863
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: think there's the charismatic MegaFon a thing at play where

864
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there's charas right, they're like they stand up

865
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: on their back feet or the writer Jim Harrison wrote,

866
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one was books, but he saw

867
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: a guy, a guy had skinned out a bear and

868
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: he had a hanging and he commented that it just

869
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: looked like a dude hanging there. It looked like a

870
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: skinned out dude hanging there, and he didn't want anything

871
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: to do with it, you know. So I think there's that,

872
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: and then there's also probably just the legacy that the

873
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: bear hunters have kind of created for themselves about all

874
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: that the meat is no good or I don't want

875
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: to eat the meat. That certainly doesn't help the case.

876
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty prevalent. I was amazed at how much

877
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 4: backlash I got online, not just from non hunters, which

878
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 4: I expected, but from hunters who said, you know, hunters

879
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 4: wouldn't hunt, predators didn't hunt, and said, you know, it's

880
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 4: ridiculous that you hunt bear because you don't even eat it,

881
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 4: And I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm smoking

882
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 4: at bear ham right now.

883
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: There's a reasonbitz on opportunities, man. I think when people

884
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: say that, oftentimes what they're really saying is because of

885
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: my personal situation how I was brought up where I live.

886
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I don't hunt bears. I told this story one hundred

887
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: times where I was sitting. I know this guy in

888
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: South Carolina that has a deer blind. He calls the

889
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: condo okay, And he built a heated structure with windows

890
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: all the way around it, and he has office chairs

891
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: in it and lead sleds set up in it. And

892
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: this is his hunting blind, in a bunk bed, in

893
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: a microwave. All this stuff is in his hunting blind,

894
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: and radiating out from the condo are shooting lanes that

895
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: he's got planted in clover and lfl for the runout

896
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: like spokes of a wheel. Okay, so he can sit

897
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: up there and rove around in a rolling off his chair.

898
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: I mean that's like here is just farm.

899
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: Well, he said, she does where you live, and you

900
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: know you would have the best time over there hunting

901
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: in this thing. But anyways, I'm up in this thing

902
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: with him and we're waiting for deer to come out,

903
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: and I'm telling him how I'm gonna go out to

904
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: hunt dry ground lions, which means not gonna go out

905
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: with a friend who runs lions with hounds in the desert,

906
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: and it's much more difficult to run lions in the

907
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: snow because one thing the dogs can't tell is what

908
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: way the lion went. So when you have snow, you

909
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: can at least deduce the direction of the lion's travel.

910
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: If the dogs lose the track, you can pick the

911
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: track back up again because it's there in the snow,

912
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: and you can tell a lot about the antiquity of

913
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: the track, the age of the track, just based on

914
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: when the snow fell, what it looks like like. Snow

915
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: holds tracks in different ways than our stuff. Hunt them

916
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: in the desert. Your dogs might be running a line

917
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: you're just never gonna see a track from, you know.

918
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: And then part of the skill is just being able

919
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: to read sign find the track, judge from the dog's

920
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: behavior whether they think the track's hot or not hot,

921
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: all these things playing to it's the most difficulty I've

922
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: ever been involved with hunt, or one of the most

923
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: difficult things I've ever been involved with hunting. It I'm

924
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: telling him how I want to go do this, and

925
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: he's up in his rolling office chair and the condo

926
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: turns me. It's like, I just don't see the challenge

927
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: and something like that.

928
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 4: So it's like.

929
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: People like when they're like, oh, I don't hunt bears,

930
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: It's like, you know why you don't humt bearers, dude,

931
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: because your dad probably didn't hunt bears. You probably don't

932
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: live in a bear hunting.

933
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: Area, right you. Or if you did get a hold

934
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: of some bear meat, somebody cooked it poorly.

935
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like you build up. It's like you

936
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: build up what you do and don't do based on

937
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of things, and after a while, a bunch

938
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: of arbitrary things, and after a while, I think it

939
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: starts to feel like a code of ethics to you,

940
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: when in fact it's just like you just do what

941
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: you were brought up doing.

942
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 5: Then there is a difference, though, I mean, I think

943
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 5: that when you when you see somebody and you walk

944
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 5: in and you say, I'm a trophy hunter, and they

945
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 5: have no one says that no, no. But I'm just

946
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 5: saying that that in people's minds. I think when you

947
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 5: hunt deer, I notice. I just notice that when you

948
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 5: hunt deer, they go people go, well, dear, you're obviously

949
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 5: hunting it for the meat. It's a little bit like

950
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 5: a cow. It's like a forest cow, whereas I call

951
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 5: them forest cows when you hunt.

952
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: When you go kill an elephant.

953
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 5: Let's just take the extreme, a noble animal like an elephant,

954
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 5: or we we always put those kind of words on

955
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 5: that kind of thing, a pachyderm. They got family structures

956
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 5: and stuff viscerally for people like their kids. Yeah, man,

957
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 5: so viscerally there's a very different field, you know, lions,

958
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 5: those kinds of things. There's a very different reaction. And

959
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 5: I think it's it's primarily a positive one in terms

960
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 5: of the fact that I think people just go, you're

961
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 5: doing that. You're killing this noble, beautiful animal for your

962
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 5: own sort of either ego or because you want its

963
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 5: head on your wall. And I think that that's where

964
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 5: people kind of and I think that's a very human thing.

965
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 4: You know what's really ironic. The same guy who wouldn't

966
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 4: eat the bear told me the most delicious meat he

967
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 4: ever had was elephant.

968
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: Wow, he is the contrarian man.

969
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, he's a very nice guy.

970
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 4: It wasn't a contrary and at all. He just was saying,

971
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: like he went elephant hunting and they knew the exact

972
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 4: spot to cut out a steak and it was like

973
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 4: from inside the arm, like inside the leg. And he said,

974
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 4: I am telling you it was delicious. It's delicious meat.

975
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 4: And I was like, wow. I would have never First

976
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: of all, I knew that the villagers ate the meat,

977
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 4: but I would never assume.

978
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: That it was so good that like they cook it

979
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: for the client.

980
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially a guy who won't even eat a bear.

981
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 5: Or were elephants hunted by like in that area of Africa?

982
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 5: I wonder, I don't know, difficult bring.

983
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: The kill like you know they like historically they would

984
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: kill drafts, those poisoned darts. Yeah, the fifties. Yeah, this

985
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: old dude from the fifties where they hit a draft

986
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: of the poison dart.

987
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: I don't know.

988
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: I can't remember how many. They followed for three or

989
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: four days till finally starts vomiting and then dies and

990
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: they chop it up.

991
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen that video? There's an old school

992
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 4: bow hunter. It wasn't Fred Bear, but it was one

993
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 4: of those guys like that. Who was some of you know,

994
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 4: like Tom Moranda type adventure bowhunter from like the nineteen

995
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 4: forties or whatever. It was.

996
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: It's like black and white lahab, But who's that dude,

997
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: you know who you know? The guy he uh it

998
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: was his name, like shot the killed the elp phone

999
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: with the long bow man.

1000
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he shot an elphie. I mean he's young.

1001
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: It was it was either Pope, it was sax and

1002
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: Pope or are young? Was it one of those guys?

1003
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 4: Do not remember that with a bow? Dude, not only

1004
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 4: did you kill an elphone in a bow, but he

1005
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 4: stuck that thing full of arrows. I mean he had

1006
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 4: to shoot it a bunch of times. He's pulling a boat.

1007
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 4: It's a bowbo like, not like a compound bow from

1008
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: a Yeah. Yeah, it was a regular bow and the

1009
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 4: guy just kept shooting it and the elephants like And

1010
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: it was a screwy video because it was very clear

1011
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 4: that the sound in the video was not the actual

1012
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 4: sound of the encounter. They had added it in in

1013
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 4: post like a movie shop would.

1014
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a there's a video of Massai warriors throwing

1015
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 5: like five or six of them just throwing these you know,

1016
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know Massi the Bantu Massie

1017
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 5: from from Kenya tall yeah sixty six. We were, and

1018
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 5: they traditionally used to live essentially total carnivores. They live

1019
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 5: on about seven quarts of high fat milk a day,

1020
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 5: and they would tap the vein of their cattle and

1021
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 5: drink the blood and that was primarily their diet, and

1022
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 5: then they would eat meat when they could afford it.

1023
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 5: And you see these massi, five or six of them,

1024
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 5: with those long spears throwing them into a male lion. Really,

1025
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 5: oh dude, they're just coming up and going running woom.

1026
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 5: And that line just basically has five long.

1027
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 3: Spears in it. It starts to bucket, it just dies.

1028
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 3: And lion lion in that.

1029
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 5: Part of Africa are very aware of humans. They will

1030
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 5: run away from you. They do not they even when

1031
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 5: they hunt lion on horseback, lions give chase.

1032
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 4: They don't. We We've talked about this many times on

1033
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 4: other podcasts. It's the hunting in Africa controversy. And I

1034
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 4: really liked that piece that you wrote about about hunting

1035
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 4: in Africa, like this whole thing about what this controversy

1036
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 4: involving this young girl who's going there, and that you were,

1037
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: you know, essentially saying that a lot of the differences

1038
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 4: the way people were approaching her, it's sexist. If it

1039
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 4: was a man, that it was that was doing the

1040
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 4: same thing. There would be some blowback, but not as

1041
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 4: much he would there were.

1042
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: If some dude, you know, some guy like worked at

1043
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: the phone company his whole life and say something goes

1044
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: to Africa and shot a couple el elf and a

1045
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: leopard and put up on his Facebook page, you would

1046
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: have got zero visits or a lot.

1047
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 4: No one would have cared very little, very.

1048
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 6: Like you were saying, how they kind of attacked the

1049
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 6: little you know, pieces of oh yeah.

1050
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 4: History. It's a beautiful girl from Texas who's a cheerleader

1051
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: and she wants to be she wants to be Steve Renella.

1052
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 4: She wants to be a female version of Steve Renella.

1053
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 4: So she's trying to like be a part of the

1054
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 4: hunting you know, professional hunting community.

1055
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: So that is rare because women have traditionally never been hunters.

1056
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: Men have right, well, I point out, except for they

1057
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: think that there was very low sexual dimorphism in Neanderthals,

1058
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: and they think that maybe Neanderthal women hunt right along

1059
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: everybody starts.

1060
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 4: While they died off, nobody wants to. They had a

1061
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 4: way built like you, they had a way longer run

1062
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 4: than we'll have you think.

1063
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: They were in Europe five hundred thousand years before we were.

1064
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we'll be here for millions of years. No,

1065
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 4: we won't, I predict you want to bet. Really, I'd

1066
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: rather be there to collect the world's only six thousand

1067
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 4: years olds. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

1068
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 3: Correct.

1069
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 4: But one of the things that I find disturbing about

1070
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 4: the whole Africa thing is, uh, there's a lot of these,

1071
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 4: like these bow hunting shows. These people go over there

1072
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 4: to collect like I'm gonna get one of these and

1073
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 4: one of those, and they're doing it, and these high

1074
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 4: fence joints, and it's it's just it's weird. Man.

1075
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: In Africa, Yeah, South Africa. When someone goes to South Africa,

1076
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: they're hunting. Like say, like, if you go to South Africa,

1077
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: you're hunting fence property. It's just like if you go

1078
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: to New Zealand and shoot a large red deer, you

1079
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: shot it on fence ground, you know, like these three

1080
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: hundred inches red deer to come out on New Zealand, buddy.

1081
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 4: But here, but hold on, here's the important part. Those

1082
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 4: animals were literally on the verge of extinction before these

1083
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 4: high fence operations came into play. So it's such as

1084
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: twenty two. On one hand, you see, well, it's a

1085
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 4: renewable resource and now these animals are actually very plentiful

1086
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 4: and they're no longer worried about extinct being extinct. But

1087
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 4: on the other hand, during a yard, it's essentially a yard.

1088
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,879
Speaker 4: It maybe it's ten thousand acres, but it's a ten

1089
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: thousand acre fenced in yard.

1090
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, that was always the argument.

1091
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 5: If you want to save the animals, make it profitable

1092
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 5: to hunt them, you know, the best the argument for Texas,

1093
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 5: But the biggest uh, the biggest threat that was more habitat.

1094
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's habitat. But it definitely pays to

1095
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: have hunt. It definitely pays to have hunter interest. I mean,

1096
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: if you look at like you look at all these

1097
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: things that have you know, you got these organizations National

1098
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: Wild Turkey Federation, Rocky Mountain out Foundation, Ducks Unlimited, Trot Unlimited.

1099
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: These are things that these are powerful political organizations or

1100
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: have political impact. They have a lot of money, and

1101
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: they're based around people's love of hunting for or fishing

1102
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: for these species. And it winds up being that like

1103
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: you can't really get away with messing with these animals

1104
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: because these people are gonna come after you and make

1105
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: your life help you know, if you're gonna destroy habitat

1106
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: or whatever. So it does not on the individual sense.

1107
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: Like on an individual sens it's like you just got shot.

1108
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: That sucks. But I don't think about animals and the

1109
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: individual sense. I think a mind like a population level

1110
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And if you are concerned about the

1111
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: long term viability of a population of animals in this

1112
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: country and apparently in many countries in Africa and certainly

1113
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: in Canada, it pays if people want to kill you.

1114
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: It's like advantageous if people have If people are motivated

1115
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: through desires for trophies, meet whatever to hunt for you,

1116
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: you have you have more political clout as a species exact.

1117
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 4: People do worry about the populations of elephants, right, even rhinos.

1118
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 4: But if you want to shoot an elephant, you can pay.

1119
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 4: I think it's like thirty thousand dollars and you can

1120
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 4: shoot a fucking an elephant. I mean, I watched his show,

1121
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 4: and this is where it was really really bothered me

1122
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: because they were calling it a bow hunt. So this

1123
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 4: guy gets out there, he sticks this bow. I mean

1124
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 4: he sticks an arrow into this elephant. The elephant charges him,

1125
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 4: and then the guide blows one through the elephant's brain,

1126
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 4: and the elephants down. The arrow hit look fatal probably eventually,

1127
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 4: maybe it's hard to tell.

1128
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: You don't think it would have bled out, or it

1129
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: might have led out.

1130
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 4: I don't think the guy was pulling a hard enough bow.

1131
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you know, if you're gonna kill

1132
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 4: an elephant, you got a lot of animal.

1133
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: How much they weighed ten thousand pounds something crazy?

1134
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 4: It was an enormous elephant though they weigh about ten

1135
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 4: thousand pounds, So the guy's only about thirty yards away.

1136
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 4: He hits the elephant with the arrow. The elephant recognizes

1137
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 4: immediately that this guy with the bow is the one

1138
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 4: who shot him, starts running towards him, and the guide

1139
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 4: boom blows the elephant through the brain, and then there's

1140
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 4: congratulating him on his kill, and I'm like, what what?

1141
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 4: What is this? This is weird.

1142
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 5: I think that the alternative if you don't make hunting profitable,

1143
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 5: then what happens with people are anti hunting. The alternative

1144
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 5: is what to enforce a bannon hunting with laws That

1145
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 5: doesn't work well?

1146
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 4: But you have massive poaching problems. Yeah, but look at

1147
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 4: it this way. How many people are going to donate

1148
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 4: thirty thousand dollars to keep an elephant populations healthy? Exactly?

1149
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 4: If it is it even one? I mean, how many people?

1150
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 4: Maybe you have to run some kind of drive good luck. Yeah,

1151
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 4: you're not going to have you too.

1152
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: What's his name?

1153
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 4: He will? But you're right.

1154
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 3: I mean that's a very good point.

1155
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 4: It's a very good point because there's no other way

1156
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 4: to generate that amount of money. I mean, think about

1157
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 4: how many people get hunting tags. I mean, how many

1158
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 4: people get whitel deer tags?

1159
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 5: Exactly what you were saying about California's ideological and I

1160
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 5: think any kind of ideology, you know, that's the enemy.

1161
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 5: That's where, that's where rationality and figuring out what's best

1162
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 5: for the animal.

1163
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: Actually, you know, it's interesting, but.

1164
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 4: It's even to someone like me who enjoys hunting, it's disturbing.

1165
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 4: I don't like it. I don't like seeing it. I

1166
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 4: don't like it. I don't like the idea behind it.

1167
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: I don't like seeing these sloppy, goofy fucks just hop

1168
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 4: on planes and go shoot these animals in someone's yard.

1169
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 4: It just seems weird to me. The whole thing seems off.

1170
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 4: It doesn't seem legit. You know, there's some like, WHI look,

1171
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with farming. I enjoy a nice steak.

1172
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything wrong with farming. But when

1173
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: you take these wild animals and you're pretending that you're hunting,

1174
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 4: but really you're kind of doing some pseudo farming type thing,

1175
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 4: that's really what's going on. It's like you're shooting fish

1176
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 4: in a barrel, literally literally shooting fish in a barrel.

1177
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 4: That's really what you're doing. Who was it?

1178
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,479
Speaker 1: I feel like you cracked me when I mentioned this before.

1179
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: But was it Jesse Helms or someone who's like, I know,

1180
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what pornography is, but no, that was.

1181
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 3: A Supreme Justice that was That was when it came

1182
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: to the Supreme Court.

1183
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 4: What guy was? I can't.

1184
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 5: It was, oh, gosh, Parence Thomas. Nope, but he said

1185
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 5: Michael Jackson. Might have been Robert bork Uh might have said.

1186
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't Elms.

1187
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 3: I can't remember. He said, I don't.

1188
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1189
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 3: I know it when I see it.

1190
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that is one like that's one thing I

1191
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: feel about as far as fair chase, it's difficult to define.

1192
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: It's difficult to define down fair chase because I'll say, like,

1193
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't agree with fence honey. Like, to me, it

1194
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: just feels like farming, and you're bullshitting yourself and others

1195
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: when you act like it's hunting. People Like, what if

1196
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm hunting a fence place that's like twelve thousand acres,

1197
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: you know, way bigger than an individual animals home.

1198
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 4: Range start under you know who that is? He was

1199
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 4: a Supreme Court I believe whatever, So fuck that guy.

1200
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: They'll put out something like that and you're like, okay, yeah,

1201
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: in that case, maybe that's whatever. So it's like it's

1202
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: like it's so hard for me to sit down and say,

1203
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: like fair chase hunting is blank. But some stuff's just

1204
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: not right, you know, it's just not We'll tell you

1205
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: what is fair chase hunting black tailed deer Prince Wales

1206
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: island in the rain and fog.

1207
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, climb so fair.

1208
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: Chase in fact that I really have no idea. I

1209
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: feel like if we hunt hard and keep a good

1210
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: attitude and and and really get out there and pound it,

1211
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: even if the weather's bad. I think we'll do good.

1212
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: If we were going there and the weather was going

1213
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: to be good and it's not. If we're going to

1214
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: the weather would be good, I think that we would

1215
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: have just a fantastic hunt. I think we'd be coming

1216
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: back every night.

1217
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 4: With with deer.

1218
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: But it's just you know, you get the when the fog,

1219
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: the rain, things get hard, things get miserable. Yeah, fair, chase, Yeah,

1220
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: anything you want to add.

1221
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 4: You try to keep this to an hour. Yeah, yeah,

1222
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 4: not doing anything you want to sleep.

1223
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: Because our audience we don't have the amount of drug

1224
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: takers that your audience does.

1225
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 4: That's not what it is. You know what it is.

1226
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 4: It's commuters. It's like you by imposing a time, you know, like, look,

1227
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 4: if someone downloads a podcast, most people have enough room

1228
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 4: on their phone or on the whatever, the computer wherever

1229
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 4: they put it. They have enough room for three hours

1230
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 4: or five hours or whatever, and they delete the old

1231
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 4: ones when they run out of time. But when someone's

1232
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 4: on a plane or when someone's like driving, that's when

1233
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 4: I think they appreciate long podcasts.

1234
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure.

1235
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you don't have to listen to all of it.

1236
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 4: Everybody was telling me when I first started doing podcasts,

1237
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 4: you got to dedit this. That's one of the earliest complaints.

1238
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: The ear piece of advice they have was the even

1239
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: Ari was.

1240
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 4: One of my best friends.

1241
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 3: Three hours.

1242
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 4: What was the idea? Just because I wanted to do

1243
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 4: three hours?

1244
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: You wanted to feel as long as a really good movie? Man.

1245
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 4: No, My my personal instinct was I enjoy talking to

1246
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 4: people for long periods of time because I think the

1247
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 4: conversations they make, they take turns, and as long as

1248
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 4: my attention span is there while I'm having a conversation,

1249
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 4: why stop it, keep it rolling? Are you tired? You

1250
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 4: tired of talking? If you're not tired of talking, let's

1251
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 4: keep talking. That's always been my feeling because I think

1252
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 4: that the deeper you get into a conversation, a conversation

1253
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 4: is uh, it plays out not you know. I mean,

1254
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 4: it's not like a movie. Obviously a movie is far

1255
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 4: more difficult to make. But there's turns and twists, and

1256
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 4: you find out more about a person, and you get

1257
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 4: to understand a person's style of communicating, and while while

1258
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 4: you're talking to someone, when you're doing a podcast, especially

1259
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 4: when you're the host of a podcast, because you're kind

1260
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 4: of thinking about the entertainment value of it or how

1261
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 4: it should be. I'm constantly thinking at it, about it,

1262
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 4: not just as a person who's engaged in a conversation,

1263
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 4: but as a person who might be listening to this.

1264
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 4: I want to try to play Devil's advocate as much

1265
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 4: as possible. I want to try to cover as many

1266
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 4: points of view as possible. And I also I'm kind

1267
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 4: of understanding this person's style of communicating, and I'm trying

1268
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 4: to figure out a way to not talk over them

1269
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 4: or pause as much as possible, or give them as

1270
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 4: much of an opportunity to expound on their ideas. That

1271
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 4: takes time, you know, I think that you know some podcasts.

1272
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 4: I bailed on something the other day after two hours?

1273
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 4: Did this guy's bar? Really? Thanks a lot? Man? And

1274
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 4: I tell you say they can kind of tell remember that.

1275
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: Mitch Hedberg joke about taking attention deficit disorder drugs even

1276
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: though he's not afflicted.

1277
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 4: How did it go? He said?

1278
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: He runs around saying, man, there's gotta be more to

1279
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: that story.

1280
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 4: Kind of hilarious, That's hilarious.

1281
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 5: Some people are just like, you know what with Dimitri

1282
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 5: Martin was like he said he was doing a joke

1283
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 5: and he goes. One thing you never hear is somebody say, God,

1284
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 5: wish that guy had talked more about himself at that party,

1285
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 5: or Wow, I wish that.

1286
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 4: Guy would drop more names.

1287
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't really get a strong sense of his

1288
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: professional connections.

1289
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 4: Do you know that way? You know that way?

1290
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 5: And I think I can say it Nick Nolty, because

1291
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 5: he's been such a product of Hollywood for so long.

1292
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 5: He literally I spent a long time with him. I

1293
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 5: never yeah, I never. I spent enough time with him,

1294
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 5: like in the background the scenes in that movie Warrior.

1295
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time.

1296
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 5: I did a reading with him, went to his house,

1297
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 5: and one of the fascinating two things that I noticed

1298
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 5: One he had no story that didn't involve Hollywood and

1299
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 5: a star, and two ibbly spent I don't know how

1300
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 5: many hours he never asked me one question about myself,

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Speaker 5: Like just not one thing.

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Speaker 4: You see, when I talked to him, all he wanted

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01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 4: to talk to about is me? Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Is Joe talking about that? Because I was going to

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Speaker 1: your mind when he killed that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well he was like, you're like a rich man's

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Speaker 5: Joe Rogan Brian killing I want to spend time with you.

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Speaker 4: I saw him in Fries once. He was buying a

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01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 4: computer for his kid, and he was just totally normal, like,

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01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 4: oh hey, Joe, you're buying a computer trying to figure

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Speaker 4: out which one. My boy, that was good.

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Speaker 3: He's a great guy, very good.

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Speaker 1: And then Michael who's that guy Mo used to work for?

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Speaker 1: Talk about name drop Michael Man and then Michael Man

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Speaker 1: show they were doing or Nick Noldy was in it

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Speaker 1: as the horse guy.

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Speaker 4: What movies that? What shows?

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Speaker 1: That was like a series? He got cancer because they

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Speaker 1: kept killing horses. Oh, I don't know what the Southern

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Speaker 1: One game was a horse game. It got canceled because

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Speaker 1: they were killing all the horses kept all dying. Yeah luck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's just also not veryck.

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Speaker 1: Noldy was in it. No, man, I like that show.

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Speaker 4: So it was the show about horse racing and the

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Speaker 4: horses were dying during production.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was like one died, it was a

1327
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: big deal. Another one died and they just ended the show.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow.

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Speaker 3: Because people weren't watching it.

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Speaker 4: On a related.

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Speaker 1: Man, it was hard to follow. But Nick Nolty was

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Speaker 1: cool in it, and he was the only cool thing

1333
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: about that recent uh, the Robert Red for one. It

1334
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Speaker 1: was kind of like based off The Weather Weather Underground.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he comes out and does a role. He's

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01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 4: he's like good, he was great and warrior. He was

1337
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Speaker 4: fucking that's a lot of people didn't see that movie.

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Speaker 4: That movie was not a well received movie, but Nick

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Speaker 4: Nolty's role in it was fucking incredible and you were

1340
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 4: in it. He played this alcoholic dad who was a

1341
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 4: trainer who just missed as somebody. He has this one

1342
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 4: breakdown scene. It's fucking incredible. It's hard to believe the

1343
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 4: guy's not really breaking down while the scene's going. It's incredible.

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01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 3: And he got sober for that movie.

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Speaker 4: Man, I mean that was He's amazing. Yeah, that guy

1346
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 4: can act his ass off. He's a real artist, all right.

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Speaker 1: So you can catch Brian callon the movie wore Yeah.

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01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 4: That's right, good plays me.

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01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: You can catch play Play Joe Roker. You can catch

1350
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: Brian Kallen on that true.

1351
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 4: I tried to get Joe to do it and he

1352
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 4: plays like he does my role that I do with

1353
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 4: the UFC. He did that in My Name is that movie.

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Speaker 3: Brian Callen on the show.

1355
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Speaker 1: And you can catch Brian Callen is it really Yeah?

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Speaker 5: You can see me in everything you guys, you ever

1357
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 5: heard of the movie you heard not to make it

1358
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 5: about me, The hangover of Matt TVs first two years

1359
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 5: of MA TV. Guys, go get those DVDs. Huh, I'll

1360
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 5: make I can feel I can finally get that operation.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you, Joe, Thanks many to doing this.

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Speaker 3: It's awesome. Steve Raellen