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Speaker 2: On Reality with the King, we'll sit down with my

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Speaker 2: and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and

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Speaker 2: Hey, rain Drops, on today's episode of Reality with the King.

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Speaker 1: What is going on in the OC? I feel like

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Speaker 1: OC now stands for on Court?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if oh, it's the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 2: the Courthouse. Is it the Real Housewise of just confusion?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. But with lawsuits and.

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Speaker 2: Threats and host throwing shade, I had to do this

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Speaker 2: episode with a very special guests.

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Speaker 1: Give it up for the amazing Gibson.

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Speaker 3: John's always a pleasure Carlos when we get together.

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Speaker 2: It's ah, I know, it's a magical mess.

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Speaker 1: How about that?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I like that. I like that. Real Housewives

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Speaker 3: is the Courthouse.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah.

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Speaker 2: So that's the new that's the title of this episode.

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Speaker 2: It's called r HOC Real Housewives of the Courthouse. Let's

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Speaker 2: just die right into it. There's so much happening in

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Speaker 2: Orange County. But first thing first, Ryan, the boyfriend of Jen,

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Speaker 2: is suing Tamra Judge.

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Speaker 1: Y oh, FIANCEA. Okay, I'm wanna make it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: make it very clear.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Jen's fiance, Ryan is suing Tamra Judge for defamation.

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Speaker 2: If you saw this most recent episode, there's tons of

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Speaker 2: accusations flying through Ryan's direction, involving FBI, involving scamming.

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Speaker 1: Tamara called him a bit. It was it was. It

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Speaker 1: was a whole, entire mess.

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Speaker 2: And what we have learned is Ryan has enlisted the

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Speaker 2: lawyer who worked with Jim Bellino, Alexis's ex when he

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Speaker 2: sued Tamra and Shannon for defamation.

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Speaker 1: And what we do know is that that was settled

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Speaker 1: out of court.

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Speaker 2: And what we do know is Shannon and Tamora have

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Speaker 2: both said that cost them a lot of money. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to quote, but I believe just in attorney fees,

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Speaker 2: it was like half a million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you heard that.

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Speaker 3: It was definitely like, like I think, I feel like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just to defend a.

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Speaker 3: Defamation in a live podcast recording or something like. So

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Speaker 3: it's like so seemingly innocuous, right, Like so something seemingly

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Speaker 3: something that like pretty much probably every real housewife has done,

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Speaker 3: which is like say something kind of like outlandish on

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Speaker 3: a lawsuit over that is wild.

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Speaker 1: No, it's beyond wild. So now Ryan is doing Tamorra.

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Speaker 2: And what is so interesting about all of this is

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Speaker 2: I I have so many thoughts. Everyone knows I love Tamar, Josh,

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Speaker 2: She's a friend of mine. I love her. Tamar is

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Speaker 2: great reality television, right. She says wacky shit, she speaks

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Speaker 2: what's on her mind. She sometimes gets herself in hot water.

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Speaker 2: And I want the audience to know this. When you

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Speaker 2: are a reality star, you sign on to do the show.

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Speaker 2: You guys cannot sue each other, so it's part of

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Speaker 2: the contract. That's part of your contract, because think about it,

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Speaker 2: all they do is in fame each other. Right, So

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Speaker 2: when Lisa Rena asked Derrie, were people doing coke in

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Speaker 2: Deree cannot sue Lee Serena for for defamation, but PK

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Speaker 2: So the reason why Ryan and a Jambalino is able

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Speaker 2: Ashley Darby's a strange husband, Michael Darby sued Candace Dealer

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Speaker 2: Basket for defamation. Right, That case has since been dismissed,

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Speaker 1: Ryan is suing Tamra. How do you feel about that, Gibson?

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Speaker 3: I don't love it, to be honest, Like I totally

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Speaker 3: understand where Ryan is coming from in terms of whine

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Speaker 3: Because it almost feels like Ryan's like suing on behalf

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Speaker 3: I mean, Like it's like the husband's allowed to do it,

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Speaker 3: As you said, and it's hard also because at the

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Speaker 3: he said, and you're confessional. She had known for about

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Speaker 3: six months that like the FBI was allegedly looking into

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Speaker 3: in terms of them looking you know, having some sort

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Speaker 3: That allegedly is true, right, but then he gets he

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Speaker 3: eventually got cleared. But this was a long This was

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Speaker 3: timeline is also tough, I think with it, Yeah, because

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Speaker 3: what has been happening is Tamra was recently on Watch

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Speaker 3: and Tamra says some things about you know, Ryan allegedly

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Speaker 1: She said on Watch What Happens Live?

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Speaker 3: She did that, She said that she she said that

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the thing is Ryan felt that both of those

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Speaker 2: only were things said on the show, but she also

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Speaker 2: Happens Live, because prior to that, she did say that

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Speaker 1: Couple of things.

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Speaker 2: And when she learned that Ryan was suing her, Ryan

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Speaker 1: On her doorstep.

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Speaker 2: And then Tamra issued a second response to this, and

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Speaker 2: she said this Gibson and I would love to get

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on it. So rain drops, Tamra said recently

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Speaker 2: on her ig story, and I quote as I mentioned

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Speaker 2: on my ig story yesterday, I would like to apologize

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Speaker 2: for and correct the record on a misstatement I made

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Speaker 2: on Watch What Happens Live on Thursday about Ryan. I

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Speaker 2: had no reason to believe that Ryan has stolen any money.

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Speaker 2: I misspoke in tying Ryan to the actions of others.

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Speaker 1: I meant to say my company.

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Speaker 2: Makes more money than what was stolen from the Dodger player. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: I misspooke on live television. While Ryan and I have

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Speaker 2: made in error. Gibson, does that sound like a woman

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Speaker 2: who is scared of spending another three hundred thousand dollars?

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Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely, I don't think. I don't think that she misspoke.

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Speaker 3: I think that she meant to say what she said,

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Speaker 3: she was playing with fire. She was kind of like

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Speaker 3: one too many times, you know. And Tamra's just really

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Speaker 2: No, it's scary because the thing is this, I love

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Speaker 1: I think this season is.

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Speaker 3: It's a great season.

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Speaker 1: It's super spectacular.

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Speaker 2: I have some of my podcasts that Tamar Judge is

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Speaker 2: because she gets it. Not defending anybody in the situation, right,

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Speaker 1: Tamar knows how to provide good television.

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Speaker 1: It's at the expense of people's real lives. Right.

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Speaker 2: So I've been very honest about, you know, the way

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Speaker 1: Talking to Shannon and constantly doing these.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, listen, I don't think it's the nicest

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Speaker 1: She knows way more than we do.

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Speaker 2: So I've always tried to give the audience another side

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Speaker 2: she makes good TV.

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Speaker 2: Get real, like we were all bored with Tamara, wasn't

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Speaker 3: Ryan, not in a way that would merit her being

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Speaker 2: And listen, I think it shows you, guys that Tamarra

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Speaker 2: Child we are just getting started. This is reality with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also think, to listen, it's hard to

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Speaker 2: The thing is this, it's not easy to be a

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I do understand the deficit that Alexis may be feeling,

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Speaker 1: Like that, Like there's other things you can see.

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Speaker 2: I think because Alexis is a friend of she's limited

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Speaker 2: to John Jansen and her defending John. So again, I

437
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on with the editing. I'm not

438
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: producing that show, but my personal feeling is I just

439
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: believe that unfortunately, when you are a friend to the show,

440
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 2: you are limited in your role. And ask Marlow Hampton,

441
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: who has been the longest running friend up in history

442
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 2: next to fab Resnik, that when you are a friend

443
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: of to the show, you don't get out of airtime

444
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: and you are definitely driving one narrow storyline. And I

445
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: don't want to see Alexis put herself in a position

446
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: to where she makes enemies with production because at the

447
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: end of the day, that's not going to help you

448
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 2: come back to the show and I want her to

449
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: come back to the show full time.

450
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I do like that she's sort of like,

451
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: I mean, the audience does not like her. At a

452
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 3: lot of people the show can't stand her, but I

453
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: almost am like, I think that's also one of the

454
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: issues of the post is like I almost wish that

455
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: she would sort of just stand ten toes down on

456
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 3: like getting the villain at it and be like, all right,

457
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 3: come on, bitches, like like this is me, you know

458
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like I almost would embrace that exactly.

459
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 3: It's like this, at this point, we're so har into

460
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: the season. It's clearly going to be a one note,

461
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: you know, representation of you, and so maybe just lean

462
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: into it to be honest and then come into the

463
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: reunion and say your piece there, you know. And yeah,

464
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: and I've said this throughout the season, is like I'm

465
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 3: surprised that we haven't gotten more about Heather and Alexis

466
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: sort of bonding over both having trans children and kind

467
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: of the way that they've bonded over that, and like

468
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: it's how it's opened up Alexis's world and what like

469
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: whatever other things that would come out of that. But

470
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 3: it almost feels like she maybe doesn't have permission to

471
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 3: talk about that, either from her child or from her ex,

472
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 3: because she talks around that a lot. You know, when

473
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: when the when Heather's different initiatives around the LGBT community

474
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 3: have come up, we see Alexus confessionals, but they're very generalized,

475
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 3: you know. She's always like everybody in my family deserves

476
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: to be themselves and things like that. So to me,

477
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 3: that implies that maybe she's not permitted to be talking

478
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 3: about more specifics in that story of hers, which also

479
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: doesn't really help in terms of maybe giving her a

480
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: more well rounded representation on the show because to me,

481
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: like when when I heard that she was joining, I

482
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, that's going to be her entry way.

483
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's gonna be you know, and and and

484
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: so that also I think hasn't helped her case either.

485
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and listen, obviously she has to show up

486
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: to the reunion, and my advice to alexis, if you're listening,

487
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: is use the reunion as your opportunity to vent your

488
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: frustrations totally. You know what I mean, Like you can say,

489
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: if I was hurt, I would say, look, I love

490
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: this show. I was part of it for x amount

491
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: of seasons as a full time housewife. I came back

492
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: as a friend. I now know better that it's best

493
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: to be a full time housewife because you're able to

494
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: get more of me than this very narrow storyline.

495
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: But I don't, you know, regret doing it.

496
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: If given the opportunity, I would love to show the

497
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: audience the full side of me. And if you hite

498
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: me next season after I may become a full time housewife,

499
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: then I have no one to blame by myself, do you.

500
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

501
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: Like, I think there's ways to like address it, but

502
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: also just.

503
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: Don't not put it on everybody else.

504
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

505
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the healthiest way to get your point across.

506
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: Although I'm saying that after this comedian named Joel Kim Booster.

507
00:27:54,040 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: Uh huh, speaking of getting your point across, Gibson, I

508
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: saw your tweet. First of all, you're the best on Twitter.

509
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: Please follow him. He's he's hilarious because your cat, the

510
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: fact that you you retweeted it and put like like.

511
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: Well, first it was like a Sunday afternoon, and I

512
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: was like, am I reading this correctly? Is this really

513
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: happening right now? You know?

514
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: It was? It was? It was it was. It was

515
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: a lot so rain drops.

516
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: In case you haven't heard, a comedian by the name

517
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: of Joel Kim Booster called Shanna Badoor and I quote

518
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 2: a pathetic drunk so allegedly.

519
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: Okay, John, this is Joel. Oh, it's Joel. I'm sorry, Joel.

520
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: John Jason is not about you.

521
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: Okay, for one, I'm say for what, it's not about John,

522
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: It's about Joel.

523
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: Okay.

524
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: So he is hosting this dating show that is going

525
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: to be on Bravo. It's a Bravo peacock. I think

526
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: it's peacock, right.

527
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: It might be peacock. I think maybe peacock.

528
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: Yes, it's with count I.

529
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: Think it might be called Love Hotel.

530
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: Apparently, Love Hotel with Countess Lewinne, Giselle Bryant, Ashley Darby

531
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: and Shannon and Shannon. Okay, so he is the host

532
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: of this dating show. Like Gibson said on a Sunday,

533
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: he decided to tweet no even in his stories some

534
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: very not some nice things about Shannon Badore and I

535
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: want to be able to read the now deleted tweet. Okay,

536
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: so he wrote an I quote let me pull it

537
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: up for you guys, because.

538
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: It's a doozy, he wrote.

539
00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: Just because you're a pathetic drunk on a reality television

540
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 2: show best known for a string of failed relationships and

541
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: a dui does not make you a star and does

542
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: not get you the license to treat the people you

543
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: work with like they are subhuman.

544
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: Period. They will make me delete this.

545
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: But DM me if you like to see some videos.

546
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I was so disturbed by this. I don't know Joel.

547
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: I've seen him on Watching Happens Live. He's funny, you know.

548
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: I enjoy watching him be a guest on Watch It

549
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: Happens Live. I don't know much about him. I would

550
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: have to say that is so unprofessional to vent your

551
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: frustrations for the world to see. When you have producers,

552
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: you have production companies, there's a there's an HR department

553
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: like there there, there's there's tons of people that you

554
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: can go to when when a problem arise on set,

555
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: right or when you feel like somebody's being mistreated. There's

556
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: proper protocols put in place for you to do that.

557
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: And again, maybe he did it, I don't know, and

558
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: maybe he felt like I've done it and it fell

559
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: on deaf ears.

560
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: We we don't know.

561
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: But to run the gamut of posting this listen, for

562
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: Shannon to have to be publicly and bears in this way,

563
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: I don't like.

564
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: I also don't like.

565
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: It if Shannon is mistreating people on set, because the

566
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: people on set are the the muscle behind production. And

567
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: you know, listen, I'm a producer, right, so I get it,

568
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: Like we're the muscle on production. We work very hard

569
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, we want to

570
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: be treated fairly like the stars on our shows. Right,

571
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: So if Shannon is mistreating people, I don't like that either, Right,

572
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: But I'm curious if what you think, like, if Shannon

573
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: has mistreated somebody on set and treated people like their shit,

574
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: do you go to social media to blast her and

575
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: and feel like that's going to be the best response

576
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: to that?

577
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: I mean not if you want another job the network,

578
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like, I was like, that's

579
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: what was honestly most shocking to me, because here's the thing.

580
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: Two things can be true. One can be I mean,

581
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: he clearly, very he very clearly witnessed bad behavior from Shannon,

582
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 3: Like he didn't just do this making something up. He's

583
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: witnessed things during the shoot. I think it was prompted

584
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: by apparently at the rap party for it she treated

585
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: his friend badly. And I don't know if this woman's

586
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: associated with the show or not, but he posted like

587
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: a photo with her and he was like, I love

588
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: you so much and I forget to leave it all those.

589
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: Yes, So he posted a picture of a beautiful black

590
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: woman and he tagged her and.

591
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: He said what Gibson John.

592
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: Said, but he also said who I would go to

593
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: war four and then totally and then honey, I clicked

594
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: on her page and it's private, and then I'm like,

595
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: is she a producer?

596
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: Is she just a friend of yours? That's what's so

597
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: confusing about it.

598
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: But it appeared that he allegedly was defending this woman.

599
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it almost felt like there was. It almost felt

600
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: that there was like a straw that broke the camel's

601
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: back during this rap party, after he had witnessed other

602
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: things from Shannon throughout the filming, and then he kind

603
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: of like instinctive. It doesn't feel like he went to

604
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: anywhere else, at least based on this one incident, because

605
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: it really feels like very impromptu, very off the cuff,

606
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: like he just sort of like he was like they'll

607
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: probably make me delete this by the morning. Basically the

608
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: kind of thing like that's what it felt like to me.

609
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: And again, two things can be true. She can act

610
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: have acted badly, but this can also be extremely unprofessional

611
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: and shocking that he took it to this place. I mean,

612
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: how much should we discuss when Jersey was airing, when

613
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 3: Louis says I hope Margaret's son suffers, how much did

614
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: we talk about how fucked up that was? And now

615
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: here he this guy who's hosting the show, hosting a

616
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 3: show with housewives on it, saying that he hopes that

617
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: one of them suffers. I mean, that's that's intense. Then

618
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: he says he said something along the lines of like

619
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: I get what John Jansen went through. Poor guy. Like

620
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 3: he said something like that too, Like it's just really

621
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: strong wording. And I also think he's listen if he's

622
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: reported this, he's reported this, but like he also presented

623
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 3: it in such a vague way in terms of what

624
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: he observed off of Shannon. So it's like it leaves

625
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 3: us to sort of fill in the blanks. And if

626
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: we don't have any specifics about like something really intense

627
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 3: that she did badly then we're kind of going to

628
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: take it with a grain of salt, and like, dude,

629
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: like you're airing this out in public to a bunch

630
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: of people who are already sort of right now as

631
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: the season is airing, are very primed to defend Shannon Badoor.

632
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: You know.

633
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: It's like he's talking to a fan base that is

634
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: sort of like has the pitchforks ready for Shannon at

635
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: this point? You know? And so it was just so

636
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: ill advised. I think in so many ways it really was.

637
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: Oh no, it was.

638
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: And listen, it's one of those things where listen, I

639
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: have my own production company, I hire host I hire

640
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: reality stars. There to me just isn't a place for

641
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: anyone to run to an Instagram story and have a

642
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: moment where you are calling someone out and then I mean, listen,

643
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: some much sobriety to me is just not something to

644
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: make fun of, right, Like you could think what you

645
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: want about Shannon and and listen, she signed up to

646
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: do to do the show, so obviously she is susceptible

647
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: to to to feedback. Yeah you know what I mean,

648
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: Like that's fine, but too yeah, exactly, But to say

649
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: things like you're pathetic drunk like, that's not something you

650
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: say to somebody that has a drinking problem allegedly or

651
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 2: who has been in a dui. And you're right, he said,

652
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: you know, well, let's just say I can't imagine what

653
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: John Jansen went through.

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Speaker 1: Poor guy.

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Speaker 2: Well that was quick anyway, don't regret it. Hope you

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Speaker 2: screenshot it. Hope she suffers. And it's like you are

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Speaker 2: just double downing on Like I was so shocked by this.

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Speaker 3: Also, Carlos is the offer for people to DM him

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Speaker 3: and he can send them videos. That was That's crazy,

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Speaker 3: Like that's just I don't know. I just don't agree

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Speaker 3: with this at all. And like again, I'm not excusing

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Speaker 3: the bad behavior. I neither mind that something happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and like I really don't love the idea that she's

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Speaker 3: mistreating people on a set. But think about, like again,

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Speaker 3: it's the host of the show. Think about how much

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Speaker 3: behavior Andy has witnessed over the past two decades. Has

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Speaker 3: he ever done anything like this? Like, I mean, I've

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Speaker 3: never seen a host to anything like this ever, I

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Speaker 3: don't think and like, oh, this can't be the first

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Speaker 3: time that a house so I was acted like a

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Speaker 3: diva allegedly, you know, it's like, I don't know unless

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Speaker 3: it's unless it comes out that it's something that's like

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Speaker 3: really disturbing and really kind of crossing a huge line.

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Speaker 3: Until then, we just don't really know. And and this

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Speaker 3: is the most that we know. And I think my

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Speaker 3: other thing that I really took issue with and I

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Speaker 3: tweeted this was like at the beginning of that statement

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Speaker 3: when he's like, you're just a reality star who's had

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Speaker 3: a dui and known for having a drinking problem or

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Speaker 3: whatever the wording was. To me, that just reeks of

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Speaker 3: like disrespect for what she does for a living, which

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Speaker 3: is being a career reality star who opens up about

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Speaker 3: her life and has been doing so for a decade.

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Speaker 3: And he was like the way that he was dunking

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Speaker 3: on that on her just like you know the genre

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Speaker 3: and like what she does for living, And here he

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Speaker 3: is hosting a show about housewives and he comes to

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Speaker 3: Watcher Happens Live all the time and commentates on it.

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Speaker 3: It's like, if you're if you have that little respect

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Speaker 3: for what she does for a living, then what are

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Speaker 3: you doing hosting the show?

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Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, you can't look down on the very

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Speaker 2: people that you're supposed to be helping find.

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Speaker 3: Love and you're making money on Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And your on watch What Happens Live because you love

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Speaker 2: reality TV. And like I said, I've seen him talk

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Speaker 2: about the show, so we know that he's a Housewives fan.

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Speaker 2: And again I don't know much about the guy. Like

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Speaker 2: I said, I think he's funny, he's obviously talented.

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Speaker 1: He and listen.

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Speaker 2: I would have hope that by today there would have

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Speaker 2: been a retraction of like I had a moment I apologize,

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00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: like pull a tamer, Josh, like I this was this

704
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: was bad, Like I can admit with things are bad,

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Speaker 2: but you're right. Look at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: if if Shannon did something horrible to a crew member,

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Speaker 2: then yes she should be held accountable. And trust me,

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Speaker 2: I am all about that. I just always believe when

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Speaker 2: you have protocols in place, there's there's there's there's various

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00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: steps that you go through first before.

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Speaker 1: You go to Instagram stories.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of just feels like he wanted to

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Speaker 3: be the story. He wanted to be a housewife in

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Speaker 3: some ways, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: That's of what it feels like, Oh, drop the Mike

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Speaker 2: gifts and John's I be drop the fucking Mike, that

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00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: was epic, So gifts and John's are you available to

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Speaker 2: the host Love Hotel?

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Speaker 3: And just you know, I am, uh the schedules open.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, we will see what happens with this.

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Speaker 2: But a lot has happened OC for the past couple

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Speaker 2: of days and I'm so happy that gives John's, who's

723
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Speaker 2: very busy honey, took time out of his schedule today

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Speaker 2: to recap all of this and listen. We will have

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Speaker 2: more updates as this thing unfolds. And like I said,

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Speaker 2: allegedly the Real Housewives of Bush County reunion is taping

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Speaker 2: this week. So Gibson Johns, my last question for you,

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Speaker 2: what do you hope to see on this upcoming reunion taping?

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Speaker 3: I really the thing that I really want to see

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Speaker 3: is Tamera changing her tune just a little bit, not

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Speaker 3: in a way that's inauthentic, more in a way that

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Speaker 3: shows that she's reflected on what went down during filming,

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Speaker 3: having some sort of regret over how she acted maybe

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Speaker 3: and if she doesn't believe it, then I don't want

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Speaker 3: to see that. But I do think that like for

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Speaker 3: to wipe the slate somewhat clean for next season for herself, honestly,

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Speaker 3: it's the smartest thing to do, which is go in

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Speaker 3: apologize for something, you know, show some contrition. That's really

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Speaker 3: because I really like Tamara. I think that she is

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Speaker 3: such an asset for the show. She's brought it back,

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Speaker 3: she helped bring it back from the dead. But I

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Speaker 3: don't want her to burn out because she went too

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Speaker 3: hard and didn't show any didn't didn't kind of balance

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00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 3: it out with other behavior, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: like that sort of for the health of the show

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Speaker 3: and for you know, her career too. Like I think

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Speaker 3: it's the smartest thing to do. So that's that's the

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Speaker 3: top line list for what I want to see on

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Speaker 3: the OC reunion.

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Speaker 1: I no agree agree.

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Speaker 2: I want Tamara to be able to, of course hold

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Speaker 2: herself accountable for some of the things that we have seen,

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Speaker 2: and I think she will, but I also want her

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Speaker 2: to at least give the audience some insight in terms

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Speaker 2: of why she went so hard as Shannon, because we

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Speaker 2: don't see everything, and I will like to sort of

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Speaker 2: have her explain to us the reasoning behind the sort

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Speaker 2: of you know, actions that she gave in Shannon's direct

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Speaker 2: So I agree with everything you said, and I just

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Speaker 2: want Tamra to be on.

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Speaker 1: The show forever and listen.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna fire her or anything, and

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Speaker 2: she doesn't deserve to be. But I definitely think you know,

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Speaker 2: this season is great too because in some word way

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Speaker 2: they're getting along.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Because they can fight each other verbally, it's still like

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Speaker 2: hang out with each other.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I love about it.

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Speaker 3: It's like oldcorne in that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, okay, we had an argument, like but it's

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Speaker 2: not that deep to wear.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be the same room.

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Speaker 3: With you, so we'll still break.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so that's my hope for the reunion.

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Speaker 2: So Tama you're listening, baby, just give me and gifts

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Speaker 2: in that and I promise you, sweetheart, you will be fine.

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Speaker 3: We just need too, We just need two words i'm.

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Speaker 2: Sorry and and don't do the quintessential housewife apology.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: If no, it's just i'm sorry. Is a two words

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Speaker 3: sentence period, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, all right, Well, thank you Gibson.

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Speaker 2: Let the world know they can find you, follow you

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Speaker 2: and support your podcast as well.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Carlo is always a pleasure. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for having me. Love our chats. My podcast is

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Speaker 3: called Gabbing with Gibb. It is two to three times

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Speaker 3: a week Tuesday's Fridays, So night's a bonus episode, usually

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Speaker 3: an interview with the housewife or somebody on Bravo and

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Speaker 3: then a discussion episode like this Carlos has been on.

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Speaker 1: This week.

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Speaker 3: We have Angik and doctor Wendy Oseepho on, so we

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Speaker 3: have a double duty interview this week, which is great.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, just find me where you get your podcast

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Speaker 3: rever listening to this great show. So thanks for having

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Speaker 3: me again.

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, thanks Gibbs and I'll see you some love.

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