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Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go our

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Speaker 2: number two on a Friday in February. It's me Jason

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Speaker 2: McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd, joined by Rachel Nichols. We

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Speaker 2: are breaking down all the best stories in sports, and

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Speaker 2: it is a hell of a great sports week. Get

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Speaker 2: some NBA, some NFL. We got James Palmer coming up,

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Speaker 2: mister Scoop City coming up here in about six minutes

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Speaker 2: talk NFL. Wonder if you'll be at the combine man,

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Speaker 2: I used to go, Rachel, did you ever go to

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Speaker 2: the NFL Combine? No?

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Speaker 3: I was always covering the NBA that part of the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the NFL Combine. It's coming up. I

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Speaker 2: would oh hang out at that one bar and just

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Speaker 2: just be a fly on the wall and watch stuff

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Speaker 2: go down. It was wild. The slippery noodle h No,

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Speaker 2: I think Saint Elmo's mane. I think that a bar,

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Speaker 2: yeah yeah, but they had a bar that was pretty good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and uh, I'll never forget. Someone came up to me

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Speaker 2: and like I was like, oh, hey, how are He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know you. You trashed my guy, Gino Smith. I

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Speaker 2: was like, damn, okay, sorry bro, because I was a

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Speaker 2: Jets fan. All Right, we're gonna do an interesting list here.

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Speaker 2: So last night, cave Cunning him goes off forty two

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Speaker 2: points at the Garden. Unbelievable performance. And it actually came

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Speaker 2: on the heels of him giving an interview to GQ

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Speaker 2: magazine and he said, I want to be on the

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Speaker 2: Olympic team coming up. I think it's a lock that

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Speaker 2: he's going to be on it, right, and then he

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Speaker 2: said to the interviewer, cave Cunning him, mild mannered, quiet guy.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm the best American player, full stop. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So Caid goes off last night the Garden, and his

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Speaker 2: coach JB. Bickerstaff had this to say, Listen closely.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's a superstar and there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's hard for me to think of five

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Speaker 4: guys in this league that do more on both ends,

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Speaker 4: that does more on both ends, and he does. He

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Speaker 4: never says no, he never complains, you know, and he

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Speaker 4: goes out and gets the job done. And it's impacted winning.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's what superstars do, right. Superstars aren't

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Speaker 4: hollow numbers. Superstars are people that impact winning at a

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Speaker 4: level that he has, Like he just does the right

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Speaker 2: Also, and you.

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Speaker 4: Know, so if you've got a superstar player with talent,

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Speaker 4: superstar character, you know, I mean, like he's the guy

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Speaker 4: that goes down in the Hall of Fame someday.

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Can the guy win a playoff series?

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Speaker 5: First?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, JB. I had to do that. And now when

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Speaker 2: you hear my list here the guy at the top

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Speaker 2: of them as well. We'll get there in a second.

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Speaker 2: So we batted this around a good twenty minute debate discussion.

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Speaker 2: If you had the top ten Americans in the NBA

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Speaker 2: here's my list ten to one Americans in the NBA

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Speaker 2: to build around. Jason Tatum did not make it. Tyrese

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Speaker 2: They would have definitely made it. Let'stro with number ten.

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Speaker 2: Number ten, Tyrese Maxey, the Philadelphia seventy six ers, incredible guard.

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Speaker 2: an All Star. He's the new guy you built around

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Speaker 2: on his team, and the Sons are actually good ahead

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Speaker 2: not be shocked if they were in the finals. Donovan

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Speaker 2: I have him seventh. Number six Jalen Brown, Boston Celtics forward.

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Speaker 2: Now we know he's the Finals MVP, of course, but

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Speaker 2: a sleeper MVP candidate if SGA can't get healthy. Number

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Speaker 2: five Cad Cunningham, twenty four years old. Boy, he is

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Speaker 2: taking the league by storm. I said on my podcast

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Speaker 2: this week at plus fourteen hundred to win the MVP,

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Speaker 2: I don't hate that bet again. SGA and Yokich may

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Speaker 2: You build around him. Number four, you're gonna hate me, guys,

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Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard. This is probably recency biased because he is

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Speaker 2: playing out of his mind right now. He is thirty four.

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Speaker 2: But as Rachel alluded to earlier, not many people want

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Speaker 2: if I'm building around for one year, I'm taking a

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Speaker 2: roll of the dice with Kawhi Leonard. He's that good

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Speaker 2: this season twenty eight six and four seven team, seven

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Speaker 2: he's just playing unbelievable basketball right now. He is thirty four,

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Speaker 2: and I know the injury history. Number three Steph Curry, Yes,

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Speaker 2: He is thirty seven, but I know they stink this year.

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Speaker 2: freaking incredible, unbelievable to watch. I personally think he needs

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Speaker 2: to clean up some of his interviews. Way too many

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Speaker 2: curse words. Dude. The young kids are watching, but he's

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Speaker 2: a scoring machine, plays at both ends. He's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a tough out in the playoffs. Back to back Conference

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Speaker 2: finals appearances for ann number one, Hooper Flag hasn't won

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Speaker 2: but I am able to build at least twelve years around.

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Speaker 2: This guy. Plays hard at both ends, already a plus

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Speaker 2: him in the discussion with Lebron for the greatest teenager

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Speaker 2: gonna get to our guest, but Rachel, I will need

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Speaker 2: your feedback on this. Rachel was laughing through most of

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Speaker 2: this segment. I have Cooper Flag one again. It's build around,

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Speaker 2: all right, Let's get to our guests. He's been waiting patiently.

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Speaker 2: James Palmer, mister Scoop City, Great NFL reporter NFL insider

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Speaker 2: for Bleacher Report. I love that background. Did you get

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Speaker 2: like professional art?

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Speaker 5: Look at that professional art. I like where your head's.

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Speaker 6: At because that is thirteen year old Nixon Palmer right there,

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Speaker 6: my son. Who Now, I'm just going to quick moment

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Speaker 6: Art Museum that in our contest he won.

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Speaker 5: So we're rolling here steakhouse.

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Speaker 2: James, you barry the lead. I've got an eye for art, clearly.

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Speaker 2: I mean you've done ten year old at a museum. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, you got an eye.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I like it all right. You know what else

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Speaker 2: I like is drama, and James, I kind of want

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Speaker 2: to start with the Lamar Jackson situation. Some comments from

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Speaker 2: Declan Doyle about expecting everyone at voluntary OTAs that includes

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Speaker 5: Your thoughts, Yeah, there certainly is.

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Speaker 6: I would say this when you say rookie head coach

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Speaker 6: for sure, it wasn't brought up enough that there was

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Speaker 6: But I was told during the entire interview process that

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Speaker 6: jesse Mincher dating back to their time together in that building.

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Speaker 6: Talks to everybody in the building, So I wasn't fully surprised,

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Speaker 6: but that should be mentioned in some sense. But you're right,

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Speaker 6: rookie play caller, rookie offensive mind obviously running the show

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Speaker 6: in that and this isn't the first time, honestly, we've

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Speaker 6: heard kind of like a little kind of not really

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Speaker 6: Because we know that he doesn't really attend a lot

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Speaker 6: of these voluntary workouts. I think he missed eight of

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Speaker 6: what Declan Doyle was kind of hinting at. If we

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Speaker 6: one of the premier teams in the AFC, and we

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Speaker 6: all know that it was really the Ravens, the Bengals,

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Speaker 6: Anas wasn't part of the AFC playoffs last year? Right, No,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go up the ninety five quarter to Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: A lot of issues going on there. Somebody in the

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Speaker 5: In that sense.

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Speaker 6: But then the coach joked and said, there's also it's

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Speaker 6: I would say this, there were a lot of varying

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Speaker 5: I would say that, and some took jobs that they

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Speaker 2: Let's double click on that. What do you mean.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a very particular situation you're walking into

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Speaker 5: But then there's been guys that have been let go.

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Speaker 6: Look for him to be used in a variety of

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Speaker 6: Listen, I think that I bring it up is going

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Speaker 5: That everybody looks to, who doesn't want to be there?

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Speaker 6: I think now you're starting to have those early conversations

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Speaker 6: If we're more than two years away, which some people

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Speaker 5: Do you make the trade without a physical without just

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Speaker 6: I don't know it has happened, but I do think

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Speaker 6: I would say also, the receiver class in this draft

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Speaker 6: plays a part in it as well, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 6: it is an outstanding receiver class.

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Speaker 5: Shameless plug.

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Speaker 6: Steve Smith and I on our show just did our

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Speaker 6: top ten ress that Steve ranked and we just put

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Speaker 6: that up on our channel. So it's a really really

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Speaker 6: deep class that plays a part. I would say this,

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Speaker 6: there are some people around the league I think he

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Speaker 6: may not play in twenty twenty six, so I would

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Speaker 6: put that out there. I would say mid season is

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Speaker 6: what a lot of people think may be the case.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't put it past because he's great at this

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Speaker 6: Drew Rosenhal's having some sort of workout, some sort of

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Speaker 6: showcase he's done it in the past. Teams will attend,

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Speaker 6: Teams will certainly attend and there will be interest because

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Speaker 6: I think if you're chasing a ring, you want your

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Speaker 6: group to get you over the hump. I think he

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Speaker 6: could really really help out a team. I think there's

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Speaker 6: a lot of people that still think he can have

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Speaker 6: a lot of really good football in him. He's always

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Speaker 6: defied the odds, honestly on the football field in the

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Speaker 6: way he's played. Just Buffalo, make them move. The Ravens

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Speaker 6: have a history of doing that at the receiver position,

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Speaker 6: right a number of times.

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Speaker 5: Now they did it.

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Speaker 6: They just did it with Hopkins, they did it with

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Speaker 6: Steve Smith, honestly, my buddy and Code knows on the show.

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Speaker 6: So there are teams that are going to be interested.

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Speaker 6: I just think the timeline is so up in the air, right,

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Speaker 6: So it's.

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Speaker 2: Similar to the Odell Beckham Rams situation from a few

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Speaker 2: years back, maybe, is it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I could see I think similar Like, let's have

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Speaker 5: everybody take a look.

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Speaker 6: Let's have everybody take a look at what Tyreek brings

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Speaker 6: to the table, see him work out, see him run.

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Speaker 5: I think obviously everyody wants to see that.

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Speaker 6: Remember, the only information we really have, Jason, honestly, is

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Speaker 6: coming from Drew where it's an acl in multiple ligaments.

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Speaker 6: We still don't know exactly what all of the damage

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Speaker 6: that was there. There was a dislocation. It seems like

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Speaker 6: from everything I hear, it's headed in the right direction.

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Speaker 6: But again, there's a lot to overcome here. I wouldn't

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Speaker 6: put it past Tyreek to come back from it. But

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Speaker 6: there are a lot of questions that teams are interested

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Speaker 6: to have answered.

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Speaker 2: All right, we could wrap up with quarterbacks, the quarterback carousel,

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Speaker 2: if you will. It's not pretty now. We said that

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Speaker 2: last year. Gino Smith was the guy with the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Did not work out. Sam Darnold was the guy with

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Speaker 2: the Seahawks, it did. We've seen Baker Mayfield in recent years,

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Speaker 2: you know, get on the cheap to Tampa. That's worked out.

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Speaker 2: Is there a guy who's the leader in the clubhouse

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Speaker 2: right now? I mean, look at the list we got

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Speaker 2: on the screen. We got two of Kyler on there,

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Speaker 2: the wrong teams technically, but their teams don't really want them.

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Speaker 2: Malik Willis, I can't believe he threw thirty five passes

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Speaker 2: last year. I'm like, that's the guy everybody can't wait

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Speaker 2: to get their hands on. This has got to be

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Speaker 2: one of the weaker lists you've seen a recent name.

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Speaker 6: It's not an outstanding list. You don't even have my

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Speaker 6: boy Joe Flacco on there. And I would be surprised

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Speaker 6: that he does. I would be surprised if he didn't

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Speaker 6: have a job. In all honesty, he'll probably be on

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Speaker 6: a roster. It is a wild list. I think you're

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Speaker 6: taking a gamble. When I talk to people around the

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Speaker 6: league about Malik Willis, I think he's going to be

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Speaker 6: overpaid or somebody's going to overpay. Could it be twenty

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Speaker 6: million like a month ago it was fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 6: When I talked to GMS about you know, their thought

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Speaker 6: on what Malik Willis would be and that'd be maybe

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Speaker 6: incentive based. It's gone up in a lot of people's

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Speaker 6: minds because of probably this list, because of where he

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Speaker 6: comes from with Lafleur and being there with Jordan Love

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Speaker 6: and kind of being in that quarterback incubator he was in.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's that puts some fility to it.

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Speaker 6: I'll put a name on here that that you didn't have.

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Speaker 6: I know the San Francisco forty nine ers are saying

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Speaker 6: they will not move Mac Jones. There's what Jason A

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Speaker 6: dozen players that are untradable in this league.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's it, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Like, when I look at value, I think Kyler is

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Speaker 6: probably the most talented player on there, and this inconsistency

515
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Speaker 6: is a problem. Obviously, he's played at stretches where he's

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Speaker 6: a top ten quarterback. Honestly, the contract and the rollover

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Speaker 6: for twenty twenty seven makes it a little more complicated

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Speaker 6: in terms of what you could do for him.

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Speaker 5: But he's probably the most talented.

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Speaker 6: But when I look at value, from the player to

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Speaker 6: the contract, all those things, mac Jones is on a

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Speaker 6: contract for twenty twenty six under five million dollars, So

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Speaker 6: I mean, and you look at the way he played

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Speaker 6: for a stretch again, he was a backup, and I

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Speaker 6: think the system helps, and Kyle's obviously outstanding with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 6: But if what if a team is like, we'll give

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Speaker 6: you a second round pick for mac Jones, is jun

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Speaker 6: Let's going to hang up the phone? Is is he

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Speaker 6: going to hand up the phone?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Is that in the thirties or the fifties?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it would depend, Yeah, I would Obviously no team

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Speaker 6: is running right now to give a second round pick

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Speaker 6: to the forty nine ers, But if they're looking at

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Speaker 6: their landscape and going win him, I can have this

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Speaker 6: guy under control for under five million dollars at the

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Speaker 6: quarterback position. And in terms of what our spot is,

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying the value of all the guys that

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Speaker 6: you had on that list varies in the contract plays

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Speaker 6: a part in that, and Max's contract is outstanding compared

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Speaker 6: to the other ones.

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Speaker 2: Who would you go for Mac Jones one year, five

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Speaker 2: million or Malik Malik Willis what three years for sixty mil?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I would try to get a two

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Speaker 6: year deal with Malik Willis if I could. I wouldn't

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Speaker 6: want to try to commit probably that third year because

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Speaker 6: I still the sample size, like you mentioned, is just

548
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Speaker 6: so small, But there's a higher ceiling. I would say,

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Speaker 6: the ability to throw the football downfield accurate at least awesome,

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Speaker 6: The ability to move and manipulate the pocket. I think

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Speaker 6: a lot of people that I talked to pointed out

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Speaker 6: the poise he had in the pocket in the smallest

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Speaker 6: sample size he had, and that's always something that always

554
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Speaker 6: comes up with every quarterback you talk about. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 6: there's a lot to like about in Thelik. But I

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Speaker 6: also think the landscape, and I mentioned the draft with

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Speaker 6: the receivers. The lack thereof talent at the quarterback position

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Speaker 6: in this draft also may play a factor.

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Speaker 5: Into what some of these teams are looking at you.

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Speaker 2: Finally, anything on my jets. Are they going after a

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Speaker 2: quarterback or they find Are they standing down and waiting

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Speaker 2: for twenty seven?

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Speaker 6: I think standing down waiting for twenty Each other just

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Speaker 6: really looks like it right when they made some of

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Speaker 6: these trades. And you can tell you can complement Darren

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Speaker 6: Moging on this, like he wanted picks in twenty seven.

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Speaker 6: I think you want to picks in twenty seven for

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Speaker 6: a reason. And I think a stop gap is what

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Speaker 6: you're looking at now. And do you take a chance

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Speaker 6: on somebody that you can just kind of fill the

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Speaker 6: seat and build off of and hope for upside, or

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Speaker 6: you look for somebody to fill the seat. I don't

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Speaker 6: think they pick a quarterback in the draft, So I

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Speaker 6: do think, yeah, some of those names looking at him,

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Speaker 6: they might be your quarterback in twenty six, but the

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Speaker 6: group in twenty seven is outstanding, and so they're going

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Speaker 6: to be positioned pretty well if that's what ends up happening.

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Speaker 2: Love it all, right, James Balmer Scoop City does some

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Speaker 2: stuff with Steve Smith Bleacher Report. A man, great stuff,

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Speaker 2: have a great weekend.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate you guys too. All enjoy Andy trust

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Speaker 5: me all right?

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Speaker 2: Ooh good stuff. I like it. I like it, especially

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Speaker 2: my jests not doing anything which is great, which is great.

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Speaker 2: More tanking talk, just kidding. Coming up next. Another NBA

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Speaker 2: player went off last night. He didn't make my list.

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Speaker 2: Subscribe, hit that thumbs up icon and comment away. Rachel

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Speaker 2: laughed when I was like, yes, my Jets aren't doing anything.

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Speaker 2: I do not want to invest fifty million dollars in

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Speaker 2: mileek willis no, thank you. We just tried that with

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Speaker 2: Justin Fields.

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Speaker 5: We're good. All right.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news. What no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: turn on the news. This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 8: I just think it's adorable that you think anything the

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Speaker 8: Jets do is going to change their faith there.

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Speaker 3: But see what happens.

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Speaker 8: Let's talk about Kevin Durant, Jason, I know you have

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Speaker 8: been itching for this story. Spectacular last night, by the way,

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Speaker 8: he hit Charlotte for thirty five points eight rebounds. The

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Speaker 8: Rockets won their first game after the All Star break.

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Speaker 8: And this is notable since a lot of fans were

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Speaker 8: watching to see if the team would be affected by

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Speaker 8: the KD. Berner controversy. And at this point, we all

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Speaker 8: know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 8: Earlier this week, Internet Sleus found what is alleged alleged

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Speaker 8: to be a Durant Berner Twitter account, with several posts

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Speaker 8: disparaging former and current teammates and coaches, some with very

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Speaker 8: strong language.

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Speaker 3: There was a Hitler comparison.

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Speaker 8: At one point, Durant was asked point blank, is this

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Speaker 8: your burner or not? He did not give a yes

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Speaker 8: or no answer. He said he was not going to

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Speaker 8: get into Twitter nonsense, quote unquote, So Jason, give me

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Speaker 8: the take. Come on, you've been you've been dying to

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Speaker 8: get this off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, it's tough for me to tell. Draymond Green

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Speaker 2: has chimed in. Devin Booker has chimed in my thing

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Speaker 2: that I I questioned. You know, he went after shenguon

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Speaker 2: pretty hard. Essentially said it's if it's him, yes, I mean,

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Speaker 2: if there's something that people say you said but you

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Speaker 2: didn't say, when you just say, bro, that's not me.

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Speaker 2: I did not do that. I'm online all the time,

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Speaker 2: that's not me.

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Speaker 8: As the journalist over here, I'm mobu canding to use

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Speaker 8: the word agen.

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Speaker 2: Allegedly yes, alleged allegend. What happens in a playoff series

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Speaker 2: if Dylan Brooks is guarding shen Gun on the post

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Speaker 2: is is that your boy KD said you're soft, you

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Speaker 2: don't play defense, you can't rebound, and he's just getting

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Speaker 2: on him all again. Like what can you do? If

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Speaker 2: you're shangun? You could try to show him up, but

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Speaker 2: then you maybe get out of character and try to

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Speaker 2: do things you don't normally do you know, same old

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Speaker 2: true for Jabari Smith, who we bashed. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how this is great. Ima Udoka is interesting. He we

650
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Speaker 2: agree he's a great coach. Yes, we know he ended

651
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Speaker 2: in Boston ugly because of some non basketball stuff. Uh,

652
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Speaker 2: he's got a tall order there now Kevin Durant taking over.

653
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Speaker 2: Did you watch closely at the end of that game,

654
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: he basically was like, nobody can guard me. Yep, I'm cooking.

655
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 2: Conkinepul LaMelo. Whoever wants a piece, come get it, and

656
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Speaker 2: he carried the tea. In the playoffs, it's gonna be different.

657
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Speaker 2: He's gonna be facing like elite defenders in the West.

658
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to be easy for him.

659
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Speaker 2: And then what happens if they lose in the first round.

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Speaker 2: You know this stuff's going to come back up. Well,

661
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Speaker 2: we've all talked trash about who hasn't talked trash about people?

662
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Speaker 2: But for it to come out, your coaches see it,

663
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Speaker 2: your GM teammates, ball boys, well, everybody's seeing this. I

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Speaker 2: don't see how it's possibly a nothing burger.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to know.

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Speaker 8: With Katie at this point, right, because we've had the

667
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Speaker 8: whole Katie Burner controversy before I could be recycling old headlines. Right,

668
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Speaker 8: he's acknowledged he has burners out there. That sort of thing.

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Speaker 8: Does it become almost like Charles Barkley where he says

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Speaker 8: so many wild things that when he says all women

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Speaker 8: in San Antonio are fat, nobody forgot about.

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Speaker 3: It does like a big deal.

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Speaker 8: If Bob Costas said all women in San Antonio are fat,

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Speaker 8: that would be a huge deal.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: He would be like, oh my god, Bob costs this, right.

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Speaker 8: Charles Barkley said, Charles Barkley says it, and it's like,

678
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Speaker 8: it's just Charles, Charles.

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Speaker 3: I don't know you know who.

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Speaker 8: He played for that they do on TNT right or

681
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Speaker 8: sorry now on ESPN the you know where they test

682
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Speaker 8: Charles on does he know where certain NBA players play?

683
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Speaker 3: And he often has no idea, right, But.

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Speaker 8: Everyone's like, it's just Charles, right, Whereas some people would

685
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Speaker 8: be like man an NBA analyst who doesn't know where

686
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Speaker 8: certain guys play. But it's Charles Barkley and it's just

687
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Speaker 8: part of it, right, and it's lovable and it's fun.

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Speaker 3: Now this isn't as lovable, this allegation, but I.

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Speaker 8: Do wonder if after time with Kevin, there is enough

690
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Speaker 8: of it's just Kevin on Twitter, you know how he is, Like,

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Speaker 8: I don't know. I'm just saying that there is room

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Speaker 8: for that. There's also room for your scenario, though, I

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Speaker 8: don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't love normalizing that kind of behavior. I mean,

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Speaker 2: whether it's not welcome to.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, welcome to America.

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Speaker 2: Or a basketball announcer or a star player like again,

698
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Speaker 2: you know, we've all talked tracks. But to normalize it, well,

699
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Speaker 2: that's just KD. I don't I don't love that. And

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Speaker 2: you heard what Draymond said about it, right, Yeah, yeah,

701
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Speaker 2: we'll see. I know, Luca's a big trash talker. Lakers

702
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Speaker 2: rockets round one. Luca's going to get in his head

703
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Speaker 2: and Jabari's and schengoons.

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Speaker 3: It'll be fun well to see. I don't know.

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Speaker 8: All right, back to the topic at hand in the NBA, though, tanking.

706
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Speaker 8: I actually have been the one burning to talk about

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Speaker 8: this one. It is a main topic going around in Phoenix.

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Speaker 8: Suns owner Matt ishbi a weight in on this very strongly.

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Speaker 8: Jason he called tanking quote losing behavior done by losers.

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Speaker 8: He then went on to say that as far as

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Speaker 8: the integrity of the league goes, quote, this is much

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Speaker 8: worse than any prop bet scandal. This is throwing games strategically.

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Speaker 8: Ishbia called for massive changes and Jason, as you noted

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Speaker 8: at the top of the show, there is a list

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Speaker 8: of reported proposals the NBA governors will be considering this week.

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Speaker 8: Do you like any of them? Do you think that

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Speaker 8: they need to tweak more? What are you going for here?

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's back up to the comments. So Matt should

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Speaker 2: be a tanking is losing behavior done by losers. I

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Speaker 2: just looked it up and his net worth, like you

721
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Speaker 2: could see when you net worth is ten billion dollars,

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Speaker 2: you could say whatever the hell you want.

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Speaker 3: And you have no draft picks to tank the.

724
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Speaker 2: No draft picks, your salary cap is in disarray. I

725
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Speaker 2: know he's doing like a victory lap because they're not

726
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Speaker 2: a dumpster fire this year. Congratulation she deserves. By the way,

727
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Speaker 2: how did it go with the Bradley b O Kevin

728
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Speaker 2: Duran stuff. I mean I like that move at the time,

729
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Speaker 2: it turned out like blew up in his face. Does

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Speaker 2: this guy know what he's doing. Maybe he does. I

731
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Speaker 2: mean he's net worth a ten billion, But like, essentially

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Speaker 2: it felt like a shot at Mark Cuban, didn't it

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Speaker 2: a little.

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Speaker 8: Bit because Mark came out and said they should embrace tanking. Look,

735
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Speaker 8: I've said this a bunch I'm gonna say it again.

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Speaker 8: Tanking is not the problem. If you try to quote

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Speaker 8: solve tanking and ignore that tanking is actually a symptom

738
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Speaker 8: of a different problem, you are going to create more problems.

739
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Speaker 8: Adam Silver likes to say unintended consequences, right, you are

740
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Speaker 8: going to make things worse. You have to go back

741
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Speaker 8: to the actual problem, not this symptom. The problem is

742
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Speaker 8: bad teams do not have enough other avenues to get better.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 8: Nobody is trying to lose six months of games, empty

745
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Speaker 8: their arena of fans.

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Speaker 3: They're doing it because they have to.

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Speaker 8: So instead of looking at proposals to quote cure tanking.

748
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Speaker 8: And by the way, some of the proposals out there

749
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Speaker 8: I agree with, right, I like some of the proposals

750
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Speaker 8: that they've got gone. But they all have to focus

751
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Speaker 8: on what are the proposals that will actually help bad

752
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Speaker 8: teams get better? How do we widen that Avenue, And

753
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Speaker 8: by the way, I would go all the way from

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Speaker 8: littler things right in terms of you know, I like

755
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Speaker 8: the idea of freezing the record at the trade deadline

756
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Speaker 8: in terms of picks, because I think that, you know,

757
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Speaker 8: the idea that the trade deadline is really the way

758
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Speaker 8: that bad teams can acquire players because they don't really

759
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Speaker 8: get any free agency. So if you give them a

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Speaker 8: fresh start at that point, that's great. But in the

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Speaker 8: bigger picture, I would say I would eliminate the lottery.

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Speaker 8: Forget this flattening of lottery odds. That just makes it worse.

763
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Speaker 8: That just makes it harder for bad teams to get better.

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Speaker 8: A lot of these proposals make it harder, make it easier.

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Speaker 8: Say no more lottery, no more Dallas getting Cooper flag. Right, Instead,

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Speaker 8: it is going to be the worst team gets the

767
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Speaker 8: best pick all the way down. By the way, that

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Speaker 8: creates a much smaller group of teams that are tanking, right,

769
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Speaker 8: because if you're not in the bottom two or three,

770
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Speaker 8: And I do think that once you do something like that,

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Speaker 8: you have to say, great, you can't pick in the

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Speaker 8: top three two years in a row or something like that.

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Speaker 2: But because would that incentivized teams. Hey, we're not waiting

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Speaker 2: until February or March to tank. We're just not going

775
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Speaker 2: to put out a competitive team because we know that

776
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Speaker 2: the draft is loaded. We win nine games, we win

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Speaker 2: nine games.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 8: First of all, most drafts aren't this draft to your

780
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Speaker 8: point at the top of the show.

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Speaker 3: But again, you.

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Speaker 8: Have to give bad teams a way to get better, which,

783
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Speaker 8: by the way, is much better for the league overall.

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Speaker 8: The tanking is a symptom. And I wouldn't stop, by

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Speaker 8: the way, at any of these proposals. You know me,

786
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Speaker 8: I always want to hold the owners ofccountable right, so

787
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Speaker 8: I think. And by the way, I'm aware the owners

788
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Speaker 8: will never vote themselves out, so I know this won't happen.

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Speaker 8: But in my dream world, Jason, let me dream, there

790
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Speaker 8: would be some sort of rule that said, if you

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Speaker 8: didn't hit a certain winning percentage over a certain number

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Speaker 8: of years, doesn't have to be short number of years,

793
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Speaker 8: but ten years. If in ten years you don't hit

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Speaker 8: a certain winning percentage, you.

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Speaker 3: Have to sell the team and give someone else a

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Speaker 3: shot to do it.

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Speaker 2: In relegation.

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Speaker 3: Well, because here's the thing.

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Speaker 8: Some teams aren't good because of personnel, or they got

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Speaker 8: themselves in trouble, or a star retired or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Some teams aren't good because the ownership is crappy.

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Speaker 2: Which one is, Rachel, come on putting you on the spot.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I have to say.

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Speaker 8: I think people know or that the management team is

805
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Speaker 8: crappy and they've been in that spot for too long

806
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 8: because the ownership hasn't been forced to make a change.

807
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 8: And for those teams there is no other avenue to

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00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 8: get better because those teams are poorly run. So this

809
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 8: comes under the same umbrella, give bad teams more avenues

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Speaker 8: to get better. And again, I know they're not going

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Speaker 8: to do this, but the truth is that for the

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Speaker 8: teams that are poorly run, forcing an ownership change at

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Speaker 8: some point would be and by the way, that ownership

814
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Speaker 8: change would give that older owner the previous owner billions

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Speaker 8: of dollars.

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Speaker 3: So I don't feel bad about it at all.

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Speaker 2: So I just looked the Wizards. Let's use the DC team. Sure,

818
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: they've been bad for a long time. The last time

819
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: I remember them good it was Beale and Wall, But

820
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Speaker 2: before that was like Chris Webber, Jawan Howard. Yeah, George

821
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Speaker 2: murosois yeah, so they drafted second. Usually that's like, oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, home run. They got Alex Sar. Yeah, who

823
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Speaker 2: is young, but he ain't Wemby, He's not Chet Holmgren.

824
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: Over under All Star Games for Alex Sar one and.

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Speaker 8: A half, I mean he was he was the best,

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Speaker 8: one of the best in the Rising Stars this year.

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Speaker 8: I mean he's actually he's developing really well. I mean

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Speaker 8: guy like that is going to be a slower good developer,

829
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Speaker 8: but like and he's going to do better with Trey

830
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Speaker 8: Young there by.

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Speaker 2: The way, even the Hawks they get Resache, Yeah, number one,

832
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Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know what he is is.

833
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Speaker 8: There's no times you get it. Sometimes you don't get

834
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Speaker 8: a good draft. This is going to be a particularly

835
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 8: good draft. But again, there is a solution. The solution

836
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 8: isn't to tank it. The solution is make tanking not

837
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 8: your only option. You have to give teams more options

838
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 8: to get better and then they won't have to take all.

839
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Speaker 2: Right. Rachel Nichols with the News.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 7: herd Line News.

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Speaker 2: All right, we touched on it with James Palmer, But

843
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: this Eagles situation is sort of percolating. Is everybody on

844
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Speaker 2: notice there for next season? That's next. Be sure to

845
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Speaker 2: catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon eastern

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Speaker 8: Ten battle against Indiana Tonight eight eastern only on Fox.

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Speaker 5: All Right.

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Speaker 2: We talked to James Palmer a little a little bit

853
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Speaker 2: ago about situation in Philadelphia. I saw the good news. Hey,

854
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: Lank Johnson is coming back. Landon Dickerson and he's going

855
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Speaker 2: to be fine. He's coming back as well. Get excited

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00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: Eagles fans. Oh, but what about a J Brown? What

857
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: about Jalen Hurts not being able to throw over the

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Speaker 2: middle of the field. Sorry Jaleen and I the numbers

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Speaker 2: say you don't. What about Nick Sirianni? What the hell's

860
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: going on there? Here's James Palmer talking about the Eagles.

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Speaker 6: I was having a conversation with the coach last week

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Speaker 6: about this and they were like, you know, there's so

863
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Speaker 6: many of us around the league that are envious of

864
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 6: Philadelphia's building, no, Lie, just because of the owner and

865
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 6: how you know, forward thinking Jeffrey Laurie is, and how

866
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 6: Howie Roseman operates, and how they blend so many different

867
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 6: aspects of the evaluation process together, and how they go

868
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 6: about evaluating talent, and a lot of teams look at

869
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 6: them as kind of like a north star in that sense.

870
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 6: But then the coach joked and said, there's also it's

871
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 6: also a building. It's just so unbelievably intense all the time.

872
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 6: There's a lot of change, you know, I think Sean

873
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 6: Magnon coming in. The tire system's going to change. I

874
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 6: mean you mentioned the offensive coordinators and striking out on

875
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 6: some of them.

876
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 5: I would say this.

877
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 6: There were a lot of varying opinions on the on

878
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 6: the perception of this job from the candidates.

879
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: So it's interesting. One thing I like to do ahead

880
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: of seasons is look at who you're playing. Obviously, the

881
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: schedule will come out and will crystallize everything, but I'm

882
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: looking at the Eagles opponents next year. This is tough.

883
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: You got to play the Houston Colts Division, which includes Jacksonville.

884
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: Not easy, Tennessee getting better. And then the real bad

885
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: news is the NFC West, Rams, Niners, Seahawks, three playoff

886
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 2: teams including one that won the Super Bowl, and then Arizona,

887
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: which we can count as an automatic win. But the

888
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: schedule is not great. They gotta go to Chicago. Obviously,

889
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: Philadelphia not an issue going anywhere, but Chicago's gonna be

890
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: good next year. Guys. I like what I saw for

891
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. I know a lot of close games already

892
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: looking at the one score games, but this schedule does

893
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: not look favorable as opposed to say a Washington who

894
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 2: plays a much weaker schedule because they did not finish

895
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: in first place, and the New York Giants, who really

896
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: have a much easier schedule and a much better coach.

897
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: The division got harder, the schedule is difficult, and you've

898
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 2: got just drama circling. It's not like a black cloud

899
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: hovering over the franchise. But the offensive coordinator situation was

900
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: not good.

901
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 5: I don't know.

902
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: I haven't looked at odds for whether or not A J.

903
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: Brown will get traded. I just hearing what he said.

904
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: Sometimes you talk to these reporters, insiders, and they can't

905
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 2: give away everything they have right. They just can't because

906
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: some of it is speculative, but the fact that he

907
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: was pumping up DeVante Smith is interesting. I mean, I

908
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: like Davanta Smith. I've never heard anybody talked about him

909
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: as like a number one. He's I think maybe a one,

910
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: B or a two. But like Davanta Smith is not

911
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: the kind of guy who's gonna stretch the field. That's

912
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: the AJ Brown job on the outside. He's gonna win

913
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: in man coverage down the field. Is DeVante Smith doing that?

914
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. The fact that he's pumping off makes

915
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: me wonder if the Eagles are telling people, Hey, we

916
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: love Davante Smith. He's in the building, he's on time,

917
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 2: he's no drama, he catches everything, no real drop issue.

918
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: AJ had some brutal drops there in the playoffs, and

919
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: I just I wonder if we're starting to get pumped

920
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: up version of Davonta Smith, because that means A J.

921
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: Brown could be on the move. So I think the

922
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: Eagles are a team to watch. Earlier, we talked about

923
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens being a team to watch. The Raven's

924
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 2: kind of fell off this past year. But we'll we'll

925
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: see uh right now. According to Calshi, fift A Brown

926
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: stays with the Eagles next season fifty four, according to

927
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: the Peanut Gallery at Calshi, don't laugh, I don't. I'm

928
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: not spending a ton of time on the prediction markets.

929
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: You mean Gianna sent it to Kupo's calsh what.

930
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's right, he's like a spokesman.

931
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: No, he's an investment in the company.

932
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: I don't love that.

933
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 8: No. I mean supposedly there's a stipulation that he can't

934
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 8: have anything to do with NBA predictions and prediction market.

935
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 8: But I would be interested to see if this offseason

936
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 8: that's addressed by the NBA.

937
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: Well, what if his his wife's looking at real estate

938
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and she's telling a friend, oh, look

939
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: at this house I saw in bel Air. Oh what

940
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: does that mean? Why are you looking at real estate

941
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: in LA? And then the next thing, you know, that

942
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: lady tells.

943
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 8: Me that's true of anyone, Right, I mean that's the

944
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 8: problem with these prediction markets. People have people do have

945
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 8: inside information, yeah, and.

946
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: Then profit off of it.

947
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 8: Ye.

948
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 2: Anyway, So I had the top ten list earlier, Rachel,

949
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: you had some last we got like a minute left.

950
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: You want to you want to dig into it? At all,

951
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: you want to have him shot.

952
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: My favorite, my favorite part.

953
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 8: You're saying, Jason Tatum's not on here because he's hurt

954
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 8: right now. That is the biggest cop out I have

955
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 8: ever heard.

956
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: He's in my life.

957
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: First of all, I want to put him ahead of

958
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: Jaylen Brown. But can you Jaylen Brown's playing the best

959
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: siaes of his career.

960
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 8: So where would you put him on this list? Let's

961
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 8: pretend Jason that he was healthy.

962
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: Well a year ago, I would have put Brown. You

963
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 2: know I had a Kawhi Leonard who wasn't healthy. I

964
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: would have put him ahead of Kate Cunningham. I'm a

965
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: big Tatum guy datum and I don't like Boston teeth.

966
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: Tatum for me would have been top five for sure.

967
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: Would you have at him? Where would you have had him? Yeah?

968
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: I would absolutely have Who.

969
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: Does not belong on the list? And you hear from agents,

970
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: so be careful.

971
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 8: I mean, look, I have the only the one that

972
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 8: has the biggest red flag to me is the health

973
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 8: concerned one, and that is Kawhi Leonard.

974
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: When he's when he's on and he's healthy, he is.

975
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 8: One of the best players in the NBA. Still and

976
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 8: when he's not He's just not there.

977
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: Jason, I'm waiting for the alert that he's sitting out

978
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: tonight against the Lakers. It might be coming now, a

979
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 2: reason to take next Nicks. Are they in trouble after

980
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: that Pistons loss? That was a bad one. That's next.