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Very special place. 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:59.840 So we've actually already had two guests from our hometown radio. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:01.600 Shout out to Valve Valencia. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:06.959 That was a great episode and we had Simon also one. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:08.320 Of the partners in Curlfest. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.680 So yeah, we were lucky enough to have two people 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:13.440 that we already grew up and went to high school with. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.240 So now we got the o G from our neighborhood 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.040 big dog, mister, mister Greg Barnett. So first and foremost, 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:22.800 thank you for joining us. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:26.039 Man, Well, thanks for having me man Pleasures on mine. 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:31.960 You know, you guys what, I'm excited first podcast I did, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.319 so I'm doing so you know, let's get it done. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.640 So yeah, as you guys know, you know, we talk 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.440 about sports entertainment a lot. That's kind of the whole 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.800 theme of the show, and well not the whole theme 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:46.560 of the show, but a major part of the show 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.800 is the backstories of sports entertainment. So this this interview 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.080 right here is right up Alley. Greg is an NFL agent. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.000 He does a lot of other things as well. He's 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.120 an entrepreneur, he's a family man. He's involved in AAU 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.400 basketball villa estate investory. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.840 It was a lot used to actually be a school teacher. 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:11.080 Well yeah, you enjoyed. Also Jamaican too, So. 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.040 Okay, I don't know how all Jamaicans ended up in Greenberg, 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:17.080 right right. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.400 Right, I was born in the States with the whole family, 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:24.240 everybody in everybody Jamaican. I got married at Jamaica too. 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.959 Shout out at Jamaica, man, Jamaica. So le guard there. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:29.639 That's the agency that you're. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:30.320 With, right, correct. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:32.720 And you got some some some some high profile clients. 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.359 You got Cayl Fuller who was a pre Pro Bowl last. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.600 Year Pro Bowler last year Cal Fuller justin. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.600 Houston, Sean Jones, you had Percy Harvin, the legend. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:42.720 He was a client of yours. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:44.720 So retired now, yeah, for sure. 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.120 So we're gonna talk about a lot of different things 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:46.720 in this episode. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.639 We're gonna talk about, you know, the journey, uh from 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.280 being an NFL agent and. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:54.600 How you got there. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.160 But before we start, I wanted to kind of give 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.640 a little backstory and I think it's interesting. So you 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.320 started as a school teacher, correct, and but you always 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.359 had a passion for sports. So how did you transition 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.000 from being a school teacher to an NFL agent? 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.000 Like most people went and put that correct? 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:14.480 Well, it's interesting because when I started school teaching, I 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.160 was doing an internship at the same time with a 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.639 guy by the name of Mike Harris out of Philadelphia 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.760 and it was a sports marketing front, and I did. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.520 I used to, you know, follow him around, drive up 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.480 to Philly from Baltimore, following him around. He was dealing 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.480 with clients back then, and basically he introduced me to 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.880 Joe Siegel, who at that time, you know, was a 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:42.200 high profile agent. And basically I started off with Joe 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.440 Siegel while I was still teaching. I started off as 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.960 a consult with him and basically worked my way all 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.600 the way up to senior vice president and partner in 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:50.960 the front. 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.600 Yeah, so you started out and if it's that, and 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.040 a lot of times people get the misconception, right, they 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.680 say that those who can't teach. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.880 Those who can't teach, No, those who can't do teach 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.080 teachers who can't teach, teach gam exactly. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:05.640 We've heard that plenty of times. 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.320 But you said that you created your multi marketing like 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.440 firm their gym, right that you have from that position. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.600 Well, yeah, the gym was Athletic Advantages, which is down 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.919 here in Atlanta. And while I started when I was 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:22.880 a pe teacher, I always thought of like I enjoyed it, 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.640 But of course I didn't enjoy working fas I ain't 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.680 there were things about the PE that I ain't like. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:32.160 I ain't like, you know, helping kids with lockers and problems, 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.919 so much like that. So I said, how can I 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.920 still do this and enjoy it? So when I got 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.400 the opportunity, I created my own sports performance gym down 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.760 here in Atlanta called Athletic Advantage. And what that does 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.080 is it trains athletes. It's you know, you could train 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.080 like a pro from the younger youngest age of six 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.640 all the way up to pro athletes. I opened it 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.160 up here in Atlanta because also what I noticed was 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.760 a lot of my Atlanta's a hotbed to athletes in 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.080 the off season, so when they came, when they come here, 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.520 they look for somewhere to train. So a lot of 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.080 my guys was coming here and asked me, Hey, I 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.400 need to work out for two weeks. I'm here, this, that, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:09.840 and the other. So that's where I came up with 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:11.720 the idea, let me just open up my own gym, 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.120 hire some trainers, and my guys can just train in 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:15.839 my gym. 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:16.160 Yeah. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.680 So I mean, like, that's that's like super inspiring because 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.880 a lot of times people think, like, oo, that's just 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:21.480 gym class. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:22.240 That's the gym class. 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.480 Meanwhile, like you're actually plotting something in your head that's bigger. 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.120 I think one of the great advantage is that we 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.359 don't get to take homework home, right, we don't have 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.760 to worry about these statement the tests, and we get 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.120 to have fun. Like our job is just to make 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.320 sure that the kids have fun and they learn. But 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.200 like you said, there's a lot of things that you know, 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.000 we don't like to do. But that's good though, because 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.279 most teachers think like this is it your mindset was like, 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.160 I'm thinking bigger, you. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.359 Know, and and and I was telling, as I was 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.479 telling Rashad earlier, I have a little saying I go by, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.520 find a job you love to do, and you'll never 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.440 work a day in your life. That's from me doing 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.120 the uh being a sports agent. I but it was 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.880 also the same concept when I was a pe teacher. 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:03.600 I loved what I was doing. I loved going to 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:04.279 work every day. 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.479 So what was the process of actually opening up a 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.599 gym Because a lot of times people have aspirations to 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.280 do things, but they don't even know the blueprints. So 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.640 you just you know, you had a background in sports, obviously. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:18.360 Had a background in sport, basically you look for a spot, 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:20.800 you know, and basically I had to come up because 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:22.880 I struggled with different concepts. I don't know if I 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.919 wanted to do where everybody was paying for memberships to 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.840 get into the gym, or kind of like the barbershops 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.440 salon syndrome, where you know, you hire a couple of 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.080 trainers and they pay you gym rent and they just 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.279 charged whatever they want to change charge. They have access 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.800 to the gym twenty four hours. So I kind of 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.839 did a mix a couple of When I first opened up, 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:46.600 I had a couple of trainers who was paying rent, 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.960 but then I also had guys who I just hired 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.680 to teacher classes. So you know, I had most of 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:56.680 the younger athletes six elementary and middle school. They were 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.640 paying for packages, so they paid for classes, and I 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.840 would have I hired uh trainers who basically trained that 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:10.240 also had trainers who was renting space that had their 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.880 own clients to come in. So it's just going back 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.960 and forth seen which one was more profitable. So you know, 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.160 different areas is gonna work for different people. 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.280 You had you had some some teams like high school teams. 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.160 Oh yeah, a lot of local high school teams in 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.200 Lanta when I first opened up for the first couple 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:31.240 of years and still do. Uh football, lacrosse, baseball, soccer, 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:37.160 had some tennis players every sport, some some book like 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.880 the whole teams were coming in book sessions and some 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:41.720 might just be individual. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.120 How big is sports in it because we're from New York, 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.480 so you know, growing up, you know we in the sports, 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.920 but it's not like how it is, especially football. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.720 In the South. It's not like well in the South, 0:07:53.800 --> 0:08:00.680 it's like Jesus Christ and football that's is in the South. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:02.840 Like Friday nights, that's where you are. You're at a 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.360 high school football game Saturday, you tailgating. You either at 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.040 the University of Georgia game Georgia Tech, or you're front 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.880 of the TV watching SEC football. This is SEC Land, 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.440 and the Sundays everything shuts down. You either at a 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.360 ball watching NFL game, or you're at the Stayum or 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.800 people just just go to the Mercedes Benz stay here, 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:22.760 just tailgate and have a TV out there. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:23.680 So it's huge. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:24.360 It's huge. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.120 So I'm glad you said that about the SEC because 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:28.800 I just made me think about something. So it's a 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.319 hot topic in the news lately that California just passed 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.440 a bill it's not official yet, but it's on its 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.120 way to become an official in a couple of years 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.959 where they're going to allow athletes to get endorsed dorsement. 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:41.800 So we talked about the s C double A before. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.880 As far as you know, they don't allow you to 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.719 get endorsements. They don't allow you. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.600 To you know, they want to make all the money themselves. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:49.880 Yeah, So what's your what's your as an NFL agent? 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.319 Right right, what's your what's what's your take on the 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.360 n C double A And like, how do you think 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.960 that's going to turn out in the future. They can't 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.640 keep that forever. Like it's a model that's not fixed. 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:00.319 It broken. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.760 I mean, it's been working this far. A hope they 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.280 can break it, you know what I mean, that's what 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.079 I'm hoping because they're getting rich. The guys that they're 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.680 they're they're millionaires and they're they're making all the money 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.400 off these athletes. And they say, Okay, they're getting a 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.120 free education. But that's that's not enough. You know, you 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:20.920 go in. I remember I never forget watching the segment 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:26.040 the Fab five on thirty thirty now, jen Jehu. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:26.640 That was a solid one. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.040 Yeah, Jalen Road is talking about you. I'm sitting there 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.920 trying to get food, but you know, my jersey is 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.160 in the bookstore selling. But yeah, I got to borrow 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.360 money to go get a sandwich. You know what I mean? 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:37.679 That that hit hard? 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.720 You know, Yeah, not for sure, So. 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.240 I hope it changes, you know, I think it will. 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.560 So like for you, for for your clients that that 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.520 you recruit. Uh how how how do you see it 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.680 affect them as far as being n C double Because 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.720 what people don't fully understand, especially for big time college football, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.560 is that it's a real job. Like it's not like 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.960 you just going to school and just a recreational sport. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:00.920 It's a real job. It's hard for people to. 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.280 Fully understand that if they haven't been through it themselves, right, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.240 Like how strenuous? 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:07.840 Can you tell? Like how strenuous? 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.160 Because like I said, you're recruiting college kids, so you 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.600 know how strenuous is it? 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.240 And hard is it for a big time college. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:19.840 Football player to manage going to sports, family, school all that. 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.000 It's so hard. And you talk to these guys and 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.720 it's interesting because sometimes you see a guy that's just 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.600 foregoing his eligibility to enter the league. And he might 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.920 only be ranked, you know, projected to go maybe fifth, sixth, 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:37.240 seventh round something like that. But he's leaving because he 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.000 can't handle college anymore. It's just strange. It's like, you know, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.719 you're up five o'clock in the morning. They own you. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.960 They basically own you. They do the schedule for you. 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.520 They own you. If you don't love football, you're not 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.679 going to last in college football. You got you have 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.240 to love it. And you talk to these players. And 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.960 I remember talking to a college coach two years ago 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.120 and I was like, you know, why is such and 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.800 such leaving? He said, Man, any chance these guys get 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.600 they leave, you know what I mean. It's just a 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.440 lot on them, you know what I mean. So, and 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.719 that window is so small that you can earn that 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.200 money in the NFL. So you want to go while 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:11.920 you know you still got you know, you don't have 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.760 too much dread on the times, you know what I mean. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:15.320 So what's the process like? 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.160 Right, So in order to to to be to get it, 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.800 to get a client, right, are you with coaches first 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:22.679 or do you have to know the family? 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:25.600 Like, what's the process of getting them. Every situation is different. 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.719 I might have a college coach that might you know, uh, 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.720 be able to recommend me, you know, to somebody I know, 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.920 to somebody that you know, they know needs my services. 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.400 It might be somebody I have a pre existent relationship with, 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.800 just you know, from my home town or something like that. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:43.959 But most of the time you got to reach out 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.240 to the kid or his family. 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.440 And that's after they've declared eligibility. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.360 No, you're allowed to talk to a player as soon 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.240 as he gets in college. But each state, in each 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:56.439 school has individual law laws, so you know, every every 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.959 situation is different. You know, you got some states and 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:00.800 some schools that say you can not talk to them 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.719 at all but a certain time of the year, you 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:05.680 know what I mean. Some schools let you talk to them. 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:10.200 The problem is you cannot, you know, provide any benefit 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.800 for them in school. So you know, you can't take 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.480 them out the launch dinner or anything like that. You know, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.560 it would be it's like the Reggie Bush deal when 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.240 you considered an inducement for your right. You can't buy 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:22.760 that you care. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:24.720 All, all right. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.439 So yeah, so in the next segment, we're gonna go 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.720 over some details at the NFL and a lot of 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.120 things that I'm even actually curious to know about, and 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.079 the nitty gritty of contracts and things of that nature. 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.400 All right, So we gotta talk about the beginning too, 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.960 because you know, like I said, this is hometown Heroes 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.240 ed Year and we all come from the same place. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.520 But a lot of times people we like to give 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.720 hope to people that sometimes you know, don't have hope, right. 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.040 A lot of times, especially where we come from, it's 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.400 like you think that you get a union job, and 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.440 that's like that's it, that's like hitting the lottery, right, 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.520 especially you know, coming from a public school system, a 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.439 lot of times it's not it's not the best, right. 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:03.199 But me and you have a similar situation where we 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.480 actually went to public school, then we went to private 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.839 school as well, so we saw both sides of the coin. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.240 We was lucky enough, you know, through athletics and then 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.679 you know, going to college stuff like that. But you 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.760 actually have a very interesting story because when you were 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.120 in public school that we came from, you were in 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.000 an alternative class. 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.839 Right, special short where they used to go. 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.200 So like, how did that, how did that? How did 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.600 that affect you? Because you know a lot of times. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:31.599 You know, it's like I said, for people might not 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:33.360 understand it, but you know there's a lot of stigma 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:33.959 that comes with that. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.760 Right So for now, it's like to be an. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.400 Entrepreneur and to be an NFL agent and to come 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.920 from special education like humble beginnings. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.760 Like how did how did that? Did that motivate you. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.360 Or it motivated me? I mean I hated it. You know, 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.679 I hated being in special ed. You know, you got 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.160 picked on sometimes, not really too much because you know, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.560 that was a pretty big but you know it's funny 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.240 at one Lands, you know, everybody else was switching classes, 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:06.679 but I was in one class switching death. You know, 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.959 I was in there switching death. You know, everybody from 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.000 Woodlands in that Greenberg area know about the crump classes. Yeah, 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:15.439 there you go. 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:16.040 You know what I mean. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:20.600 And you know I played sports. I played varsity sports, basketball, football, 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.160 ran track and everything. 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:23.160 But being a. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.960 Special and having an I E. P. Was so interesting 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.680 And it's funny. I still have those ips at my house. 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.400 It's on a file. And I remember when they used 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.760 to you know, it used to have your goals and 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.720 used to say things like junior college or self employment. 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.040 Things like that those teachers never projected. I was going 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:42.920 to go to school, you know, college driver, you know 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.480 what I mean. But I left there at that time 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.880 when a lot of athletes left Woodlands and went to 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.440 a couple of different private schools. Stepping that, Harvey Hackley, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.320 Me and a couple of other guys. We went to 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.880 Harvey which was up in Katona, New York. You know 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.680 it was a you know it was okay, uh, prestigious 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.880 private school. And from there I went on to another 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.800 prep school. After that, I did a postgraduate year which 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.320 a lot of people don't know at Milford Academy on Milford, Connecticut. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.560 From there's where I got my offer to play a 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.800 full scholarship to play football at Morgan State University, which 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:21.320 is HBCU down in Baltimore, Maryland, which I love the Bears. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.840 The bear I'm Morgan made as they said. 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:25.200 You know what I mean. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.920 Another Morgan alone had Valencia. 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.120 Valencia shout out. 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:31.720 Yeah. 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.440 I think he posted on Twitter. She had this whole postal. 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.880 She had this wild love my HBCU campaign. Okay, yeah, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:39.640 I seen it on your feet, Yeah. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.240 Shout out to shout out to Baltimore. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:41.480 Man. 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:42.960 I got you know what We actually have a lot 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.280 of similarities because you know who else had an I E. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.320 P at Woodlands truly. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.920 Right little right right, and you went to college and 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:55.720 ball right, and I went to private school. 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:56.000 Right. 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:57.360 You went to prep school right right. 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.480 Same route, same round, we follow the same right. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.360 So you know, I'm self motivated. I always knew where 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.480 I belong and what I can do. I just needed 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.000 a chance, you know what I mean. That wasn't going 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:08.960 to let anything hold me down, you know what I mean. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.680 And that's one thing I really passed on to my 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.280 two sons right now. You know, you know, don't you 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:15.840 can do whatever you want to do, you know what 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.160 I mean. Don't let them classify you or anything that 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.160 especially as I looked at and remember my mom calling 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.920 it a dumping hole for black students. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.800 That's what the disproportionately they're placed in there right now. 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.880 It's real because it's like a black hole. And a 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.120 lot of times once you get placed in that in 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.960 that category, it's like you lose you lose self esteem, confidence. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.040 But me personally, I never looked at like that. I 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.120 just I just always knew that I wasn't interested in 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.240 learning the way that I was being taught. So I 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.680 think that that's probably why I got classified as IE people. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.160 That's interesting now because it's like obviously people know I'm 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.600 not dumb, like they know, they know I'm intelligent. It's 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:54.240 just that, you know, at that point in time in 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.800 my life, I just wasn't interested in being taught the 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.560 way that they was teaching. And you you both of 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.200 you guys, and we weren't an educate choice still educated. 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.640 You just realize I'm the only one that graduated from 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:05.239 lands Man. 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.600 But no, but but it's it's it's it's a real 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.240 conversation though, because it's like, you know, we don't we 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.880 don't fully appreciate like blessings that we have. And it's 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.600 like me and you were fortunate enough to go to 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.720 private school and prep school, but what if we didn't 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.240 get that opportunity, Like you know what I'm saying, what 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.000 if we would have stayed and who knows. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:26.600 How life would have been different? You know what I'm saying. 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.840 There's so many kids that are bright, like look at 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.920 your NFL agent, I'm doing, I'm in business, I'm a podcast. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.160 And it's like obviously we both had i EPs exactly, 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.159 you know what I'm saying, so we're looking for a 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:38.040 couple of those teachers. 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:38.520 I just can't. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:40.000 I know they're alive. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.600 I just you know, I just want to talk with them, 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.040 you know, Yeah, thank you. 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.800 It's a real conversation. So I'm glad we actually even 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.200 had that conversation because we got a highlight. You know, 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.720 that's what's wrong with the system. But also we just 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.040 got to get motivation. Just because somebody classifies you as 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.359 something that that's just that's their opinion of you. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.359 I think what you guys are doing, like and I 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.520 have done, it's inspiring and it's inspiring right. It gives 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.640 kids hop Like, look, I know these dudes, they from 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.639 my community and kids everywhere, like, yo, I can do it. 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.520 This classification doesn't limit me to who I have to 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:13.160 be in the future. So that's good. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:15.200 So what was your experience, HPC. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.280 I know you're big on HBCUs and it's actually a 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.680 thing of a lot of people talking about athletes now 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.399 just start going to HBCUs, Like, I don't know if 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.360 that's well, listen, because of the funding, what's your what's 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:26.119 your thoughts. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:31.399 Like about my experience or about well, my experience it 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:35.040 was different. I'm Gonna. It was different, but I loved it. 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.280 I love being around my own I had enough. It 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:39.400 was the best time of my life to this day. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.240 You know, going from from white Plans from Greenberg, New York, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.520 down to Morgan State University and just growing into a 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.080 man man, you know what I mean, everything living off 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.720 campus and just getting around on my own. I just 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:54.600 I enjoyed it and just being around your own people. 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.119 You know, it was just so much fun, you know 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.399 what I mean. And I don't think it's anything different 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.440 from going to thing less from going to the University 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.400 of Mountland. You know what I mean. I don't see 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.720 what some schools are for more than a HBCU. So 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:08.080 what I know that Stephen A. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.040 Smith is doing a campaign now where he's trying to 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:14.000 get people to come back to h HBCUs. What are 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.360 your thoughts, right, top level athletes, it's gonna be very 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.320 gun Yeah, No, top level athletes Zion Zims for example, 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.000 actually choosing a school like a more than State or 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:25.200 Howard over a Duke. 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:30.280 Okay, that's gonna be hard to happen right away. Basketball, 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.359 you can pick three guys, three to five guys this 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.919 high school seniors. This may be about three stars, four stars. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:39.840 That's like, you know how they rank you the totalest 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.920 five star. It's gonna be hard to get five star athletes. 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.600 As McDonald's all Americans to go to an HBCU. 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:47.359 We already know that. 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.520 But they're schools that these guys are picking over HBCUs. 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.200 That's not any better athletically or academically. You know, I'm 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:58.280 not gonna throw any schools under the bus, But if 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.879 you go to a colonial school or those type of schools, 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.760 why not go to HBCU. You know a lot of those, 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.080 a lot of HBCUs are beating those schools. Football is 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.000 gonna be harder because you know you're gonna it's more 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.440 of a team sport where you need a lot of 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.080 pieces to be successful. But you know, I have a 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.800 lot of guys, high school guys that work at work 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:20.080 out there in my gym, and you know they're up 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:24.160 there when I hear their their offerers are from like Georgia, 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:28.640 Southern Firman, Wafford, Tennessee, Chattanooga. I'm like, you know, those 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.600 type schools are equal to HBCUs. Go look at HBCUU. 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:33.399 You will have the time of your life here. I 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:38.280 mean everything from the everything from the female. I mean, 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:42.600 but you know, and like I tell my sons, you know, 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.280 if they're blessed enough to go make pro money doing something, 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.119 that's that's just a blessing. But other than that, go 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.040 to HBCU. Get yourself some friends. You're talking about that 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.879 the other day. Get get yourself some friends, you know, 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.280 Get yourself a group. He's he's majoring in accounting, he's 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:02.720 majoring in engineer, he's majoring in whatever it may be. 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.000 Form yourself for group. And when y'all get out of there, 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.280 get yourself a business. Start a business. I mean, same 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.600 thing Puffy there. Puffy put a lot, a lot of 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:11.919 his guys on from Howard. 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:12.159 You know. 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.560 You know, I'm hearing about the story of the former 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:19.080 mayor here in Atlanta, Cassine Reed. He went to Howard, 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.199 you know when he got an office here, a lot 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.320 of his same friends, you know, he put on so 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:25.520 you know, get to click together and go for it. 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:27.159 That's what That's what I'm you. 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:28.040 Know, hoping for. 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.080 That's what you did too. In Baltimore. You was actually 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.080 had a production company. He was doing promotions, jo promotion, 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:35.800 and he was throwing parties, right we started. 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.760 As I actually I was I was still a student 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:44.800 and myself and two other of my classmates we started 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:48.040 a company called Living Life Entertainment. We was throwing hoo 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:53.359 homecoming parties, shows, we did shows, we did that was 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:55.439 that was what we did. We was a promotion company 0:21:55.840 --> 0:22:00.680 and we did that from probably about ninety six to 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:04.639 about about two thousand and two thousand and one. So 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.640 is that your first dive into the business world. Yes. 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:11.280 Obviously I always say you study education, right and health science. 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.000 So yeah, that's where I learned how to hustle. When 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.679 I say hustle, you know legally, I mean, everybody when 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:20.200 they hear hustling, they think of a negative connotation. Hustle 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:22.640 is somebody who could get money on any type of level. Yeah, 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:26.000 And that's when we started, we college students. But shoot, 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:27.960 sometimes I was getting my refund checked, you know what 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.240 I mean, and go throwing that, throwing a party with that, 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.160 you know what I mean. But that's where I learned 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:35.280 my business. I got my business foundation from and we 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:37.359 learned and there was a lot of losses with that, 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:38.840 you know what I mean. So we learned from that. 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:40.280 So that was interesting. 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:41.920 That's dope. That's dope. 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.960 So all right, So now with the NFL, Right, so 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:47.280 we're gonna talk about the nitty gritty. But I had 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.680 a couple of things that I always had questions about. 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:53.360 When you hit a franchise tag, Okay, what does that mean? 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:57.160 Franchise tag? Each team can choose one player that's gonna 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.840 they can franchise tag. That one player is usually gonna 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:02.120 be one of the top players on their team that's 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.320 getting ready to be a free agent. When they franchise him, 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:07.440 they got to own his right. They own him and 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.600 the contract is guaranteed for that whole year, but you 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:12.880 have to pay him an average of the top five 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.800 salaries of his position. But while agents don't like it 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:18.880 and players don't like it, because if he's the top player, 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.600 is about time for him to hit that big contract 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:23.680 where he can get that big sign of ball. He's 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.040 a multi year contract, so it really holds him up. 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.920 That is something that's in favor for the teamanchise. 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.280 I think one of the most famous ones, and I'm 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.000 ashamed to admit it, but I'm a I'm a Washington 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:35.879 fan and this happened with Kirk Cousins. 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:38.840 Okay, right, where they had to franchise him twice, right, 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:39.119 can you. 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.359 Can fis the franchisees a player twice? 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:41.600 Right? 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:43.760 And so like the last time, it was like either 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:45.320 we're going to sign this guy to a long term 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.240 deal and give him thirty million, which he never was 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:49.879 worth it, but oh, we're. 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:51.080 Gonna have to let him go and they and now 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.280 he's the viks. Correct. 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.560 Yeah, so that so it's two years that you can 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:55.760 do it. 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:57.199 You can do it two years in a row. 0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:57.600 Correct. 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:01.320 Okay, So it is the average of five the top 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.960 five salaries of your at quarterback if you in that 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.480 case with Kirk Cousins. Okay, And it's the cap number. 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:11.120 It's not the actual what they make. It's the cap number. 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:12.640 And that's what a lot of people know. It's the cap. 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.560 It's still high enough high money. But what the cap 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:19.360 number is basically what your amount is that the team 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.120 gets charged per year year contract per that year. 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.000 If they go over the cap, they get penalized for that. 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.160 You can't go over the gap because like in basketball, 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:28.560 you can go over. 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.920 The baseball you got the luxury. Yeah, you know what 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.440 I mean? Like Yankees, they just went paid years off 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:37.080 for the next thirty years. They just say we're going 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:38.840 over our cap, so football. 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.480 You can't go over to gather, right, Okay, So all right? 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:47.480 So and then all NFL eight rookies have four year contracts. 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.960 Four year contracts. The first if your first round. The 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:55.280 team owns the option the fifth for the fifth year. 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:59.680 So basically, if your first year your if your first round, 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.639 first round, there there's a chance you could possibly be 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:07.880 there for seven years. You got your four years, they 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.159 optioned the fifth. They franchised after that. 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:12.399 So all right. 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:15.359 So one thing I was always curious about because a 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.400 lot of time fans from the outside, they don't fully 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:20.240 understand how this thing works. Right, So like a Zeke Elliott, right, 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.399 who I think he was in his third year and 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:25.000 then he he sits out, but they always do it 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:28.119 the year before the fourth year, right, and. 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:30.400 Well this case, I mean. 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.760 Third, right, right? 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:37.280 Third? Sure? 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:39.199 But yeah, so how does that work as far as 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.080 like a player sitting out an entire season, Like I 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:43.119 think Le'Veon Bell did that? 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:44.120 Right? Did that last year? 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:44.520 Yeah? 0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:48.359 Like as an agent, would you ever recommend your client 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:49.960 do that? Or how would you feel if your client 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:50.280 did that? 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:57.159 Each each situation is different, each situation. Some you're not 0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:58.760 going to lose. Some of you're not going to win, 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:00.440 you know what I mean. Some you gonna have to 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.040 play that year. You know, Le'Veon sat out of here. 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:06.720 But however, he lost money. You know, he lost money. 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.040 So there's been some recent comments where we watch the 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:13.000 NBA off season where players are kind of dictating where 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:15.760 they want to go, and now they's talk of the NFL. 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:18.520 Put your thoughts on that, right, because we got like, 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:19.200 even's good. 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:21.040 I think it's good. I mean I think you know, 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:22.920 I don't think the player. You know, you don't want 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:24.920 to every time you get in an argument with the coach, 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:27.600 trade me. But you know, right now the owners have 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:30.479 too much power. 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They'll carry you in college, yes, okay, and 0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.120 so that and that's like, and what the this is 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.240 an insurance policy, whereas if you get hurt during that 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:07.040 senior year, you're gonna get that money. Now, I haven't 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:09.920 known of anybody who has cashed out on any of 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:12.960 those yet they got a couple of different from what 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.240 I because that's not my feel I don't sell insurance 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.760 or anything like that. But from what I understand is 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:22.080 two or three different policies, Like there's a loss of 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.880 value whereas maybe you get hurt in the bowl game 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:28.440 and you was projected first round but you dropped a third. 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.520 But nobody has been paid on any of those policies yet, 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.240 and it's hard to really say, like to prove that 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.160 your value was long, because no one actually said you 0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.720 was going to get drafted in the first round or 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.600 the top ten. So because mel kiper or somebody puts 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.600 that on his page, that's not that. I don't know 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:48.720 how that's going to stand up in an insurance case. 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:50.680 I don't know. That's not my field, so you know 0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.360 what I mean. But I know a lot of the 0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:54.880 schools are taking these policies out and paying for it 0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:56.280 for the kids, which is good. 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.520 I think the quarterback of USC a few years ago, 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:01.360 I forget his name, but he had I know he 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.720 had a sizeable Lawyers of London contract. 0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:05.080 Did he cash out? 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:06.480 Well, he never got he never got. 0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.080 Hurt, he never got Well, there's a lot of players 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.680 getting it right now. I haven't heard of any that 0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:11.960 has cashed out yet. 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:12.200 Though. 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:15.440 Yeah, in terms of like guys like you said, melkypo 0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:17.920 time and say how much weight do you put in 0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:19.080 what they're saying. 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:21.600 And when you're looking at an athlete or a potential client, 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:22.040 I go to. 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.400 Him before I go to them. Now, I usually talk 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.480 to management. In the NFL, those guys are usually the 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:31.280 mal cop not not bad mouth in them or anything 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.480 like that, but you know, they're there for entertainment most 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:34.920 of the time, you know what I mean. So I 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:38.520 like to actually talk to the decision makers, those guys 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.480 who really gives me my ins and outs on you know, 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.360 who's worth and who's not to go after where certain 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:48.120 guys are projected. So that's who you know. And that's 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.440 because I've been in the business for eighteen years now, 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.280 so I have good connections where I can call people 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.200 and they can help me out with them like that. 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.960 So like, how all right, how does draft day work? 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:00.880 That's another thing because you see sometimes people it's like 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:02.480 a top ten draft pick and then they drop. 0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:03.560 To like thirty. 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:04.640 That's the most stressful day. 0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:08.080 And so like what makes somebody rise or. 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.080 It's just like they don't know, they'll know probably leading 0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:15.720 up to the like last the next last couple of days, 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:17.560 you know what I mean. I was in the green 0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.520 room a couple of times, you know, and it's stressful. 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:23.200 You know, you'd rather just have your client just watch 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:24.920 it at home, be honest with you, but you know 0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.680 you sitting there. You know, teams teams lie, they lie, 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:29.840 they tell you they're going to draft the guy next thing, 0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:31.480 you know, they don't, you know what I mean. So 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:37.080 it's stressful. Different things come up off the field, incidents 0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:40.320 that might hurt a guy and have him drop things. 0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.240 They dig they go dig in. They might like your film, 0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:45.640 but then they might find something else, all about your 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.640 drug test that you failed at college. Things like that, 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.160 you know, your brushes with the law, things like that. 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.520 They monitor your social media. They might see some things 0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.040 which is social media that they don't like. And those 0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.160 are ways that can always drop you. 0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.440 And you remember that Nember that happened to the dude 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:02.840 from an old miss old miss. 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:05.040 It was like. 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:08.320 His name. 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:10.520 Was projected. 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:12.480 Yeah, so surprised. 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.920 Yeah, so all right, So I mean so but you right, 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:19.160 as an adult that's lived life, that has a family, 0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:21.440 there's a wife, and you experienced different things. But to 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.240 your clients are nineteen and twenty years old, right, So like, 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.320 how is it working with with you know, young men 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.440 that our celebrities overnight and have a bunch of money 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:35.480 overnight and have people that are like psychologically what is 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:37.440 your role? Is it more of like a big brother, 0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:39.520 a father figure, all of the above. 0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:42.960 I don't try to be anybody's father, because I'm not 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.480 their father. When I ask these guys to hire me, 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:47.880 I ask them for their trust. You're hiring me from 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:51.800 my expertise and my experience, so you are the boss. 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:54.080 But also I want you to respect me. If you're 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:56.440 hiring me from my knowledge, respect me. All I can 0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:59.280 do is tell you what I recommend and the consequences 0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:01.400 of it's something. If you're gonna listen to me on that, 0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.920 you understand that. So yeah, I would love to be 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.880 a big brother type guy. But every situation is different. 0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:08.840 Some guys don't want that. Some guys just want you 0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:11.440 to do all business. Some guys I'm closer to, some 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:14.319 guys I'm not that close to. So it's different things. 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:17.360 Other than the contract that you do, you're helping manage 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:21.000 these guys' life. I'm helping him transition from a college 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:24.000 athlete to a professional athlete. You might have a case 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:27.040 where this guy's living in Atlanta, Georgia his whole life 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.200 and go to school in the University of Georgia be 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.480 gets drafted by the Seattle Seahawks. You know what I mean. 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:34.800 Now you're on a whole different part of the country 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.239 and you got to know how to survive. When I 0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:40.560 say survived, like, okay, NFL want you to playbook all 0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:43.000 day long and all that. So who's gonna help you 0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:45.200 go and find somewhere to stay, Who's gonna help you 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.279 transport your vehic your vehicles out there? Who's going to 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:49.920 help you get set up? And that's what I do. 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:51.840 That's why I'm on the road a lot. I like 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:53.960 to be a part of their life as much as 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.560 they allow me to outside of doing their contracts and 0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.239 getting their endorsements and things like that. So I help 0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.880 them transition from you know, a college student into a professional. 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:05.279 Like you said, they're bank accounts in some cases go 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:08.840 from one hundred dollars to three four point million overnight. 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.759 Now I'm not a financial advisor, but in terms of 0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.360 doing everything else, I want to help them adapt today. 0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.200 So how is it negotiating? All right? So you do contract? 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.759 How is contract negotiating? Is it easy? Because it's pretty 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:21.880 much straightforward right now? 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:23.920 Well, I'll tell you what it is right now. In 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:27.480 NFL their first contract, the money is lotted. But also 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:30.359 there's the fault language that you got a nego. 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:31.120 What does that mean? 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:33.359 The fault language is ways that they can take away 0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:36.360 your guarantees from you. So that's something that you got 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.600 to negotiate. That's something that you have to have in 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:41.040 there and make sure that the teams aren't putting things 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:43.440 in their easy ways for them to come and take 0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:47.000 that money from you. You understand that. So you will 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:51.160 have a contract and you know, okay, he's gonna if 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.759 he gets suspended for head on collision whatever whatever it 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.200 may be, you could take X amount of dollars away 0:35:57.200 --> 0:36:00.239 from it. So that's something that can be negotiated. Aunt 0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.239 of money you're gonna get is already there. But the 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.200 ways that you can lose that money, that's why you 0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.120 need to have a good agent that knows what he's doing. 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:09.440 So how can what's a few ways that you can 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.120 actually lose? Like, how can you, Oh, you give me. 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.479 An example, how I got okay. Let's say, like I said, 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:18.840 he's just okay. Maybe you're in jail for over seventy 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:22.440 two hours, A big difference. Man, Okay, you get charged 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:23.960 with something, you're there and they keep you for over 0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:27.640 seventy two others that means it's something different. And in 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:31.120 a regular contract, it might just say okay, if he's arrested, 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:35.040 he can lose a guarantee, but why not put in there, Okay, 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.920 such and such an hours because he can he can 0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:41.799 you know, urinate in the street and get and put 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:45.120 it jail and get released on his own recon in 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:48.000 two three hours. So is that fair for him to 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:50.400 lose all that? And you know, we know something serious 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.520 if you're there for over seventy jo or something like that. 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:54.800 So there's different ways you gotta look at that and 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:56.960 try to get That's something important you said too. A 0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.920 lot of times people see contracts, they seem play it. 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.279 It's one hundred million, but the signing BoatUS could be 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.759 sixty nine million. That's the only thing that they're guaranteed 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:10.359 in the contract. Well they're signing not necessarily because it's 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:13.520 all you know, you have contracts and it's called you know, 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:16.600 contracts are guaranteed and something called that size see skill 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.320 injury cap. So just because you see that he's getting 0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:21.480 that that that sign and bo there could be more 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:25.040 to that that's guaranteed. There might be Okay, perfect example, 0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:29.399 you know Antonio Brown, because they had thirty million, people 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:31.520 thought that was guaranteed. But as you see, he lost 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:33.600 that because it's something he did. He just had to 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.399 make that first day right, And you see what I'm saying. 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:40.680 So everything is not always guaranteed, and sometimes there's things 0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.400 more guaranteed than others. You really have to read the 0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:45.680 whole contract for me to tell you. You know, a 0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:47.440 lot of times I get called, say, yo, is that 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:49.560 all guaranteed? That I just saw such and such a 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.080 sign Like, you know, I don't. I have to read 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:54.680 the contract because I mean, these contracts is anywhere from 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.200 seventeen pages to Bobby forty fifty pages. So there's so 0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:01.360 many things in there that might you know, trigger you're guaranteed, 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.759 and some things that might not be guaranteed. So you 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:04.520 just don't know. 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.040 A few years ago, you had one of the biggest 0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:10.959 signings in the history, Yeah, the NFL for a defense player, 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.880 right just in Houston, just in Houston, right with the Chiefs. 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:14.640 Correct said it. 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:16.880 Was the most stressful day of your life. It was. 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:17.680 It was, it was. 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.759 It was the most stressful negotiation thus far, because there 0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:24.200 was just you know, going back and forth with the 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.239 team getting the numbers right. We actually was negotiating from 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:30.960 that past October all the way to July fifteenth, which 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:32.759 was the last day because he was end up. He 0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:36.160 had to be enfranchised dad, and it was up into 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:39.200 that July. You head up until July fifteenth to negotiate 0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.239 the contract or you would have to play that one year. 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.040 So you know, we got it done in the twelve hour. 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:45.360 How much? How much was it? 0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:51.320 It was one hundred and one total and fifty two guaranteed. 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.799 And all right, all right, so you can talk about 0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.120 that deal, right because it's done pretty much, right, So 0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:58.960 all right, so how does that work? So you got 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:00.560 one hundred and one total. 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:02.600 Totally if you play out the whole contract, which would 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:04.359 have been for eight years with the same team. 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:06.080 With that team, all he had to do. All he 0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:07.359 had to do was play. He didn't have to reach 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:09.879 Pro Bowl or as long as he all. 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:13.560 Language on that at all. Okay, right, But what you 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:15.759 got to realize is sometimes, okay, the first four years 0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:19.040 is guarantee, which was that's what was considered the whole guarantee, 0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:22.040 which was the fifty two million. So after that, as 0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:23.719 you know, they can cut you, which they did with 0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:26.160 those bigger salaries. Is about to start the hit. 0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:26.719 They cut them. 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:28.560 They cut him, they released him in this past here 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:33.200 and I negotiated another extension for him. Well another contract firm, 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.440 which is a two year deal right now, and he's 0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:36.560 with the Indianapols. 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.480 So you had all right, the contract is seventeen to 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.280 twenty something pages. You said you have a legal department 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:45.160 actually reached out. 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:46.480 You have a lawyer that you work with. 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:50.120 Well, I'm not a lawyer. I'm CBA, So I'm a 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:55.040 certified contract advisor I have. There's about four of us 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:56.719 on our team. I work with a guy by the 0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:00.480 name of Joe Siegel, who is about far the most 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:03.759 powerful man in NFL negotiation business, you know what I mean. 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:07.200 So he's a lawyer. We also have another lawyer on 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.320 our team, and we have two other agents. So we 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:14.440 all look at our contracts together. But you know, we 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:16.759 so a negotiation. You know, you might have all of 0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:20.480 us looking at one contract, circling different things. And you know, 0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:22.479 when you do a contract, it's not like some people 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.480 think that you're just at the table talking numbers. You know, 0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:28.120 contracts is usually done you know via email. They send 0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:30.480 the offer over, you know, we send it back. You know, 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:32.960 this is what we last for. You know, it goes 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.440 back and forth and then once the numbers get right, 0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:37.839 then you got a lot. The language has to be right, 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:40.160 so there's a lot to it in a negotiation for 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:40.760 a contract. 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.120 And you spoke about having trust and one of the 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.560 things in your resume you had a family. 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:48.920 Yeah, you had a series of brothers right. 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:52.760 That had Yep, the Fuller family. I had Corey Fuller, 0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:56.040 who are represented first out of Virginia Tech. He's a 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.520 wide receiver. He got drafted in the sixth round two 0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:02.640 Detroit lines. After that, I had Kyle Fuller, who was 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:07.360 the first round cornerback drafted to Chicago Bears. And the 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:11.120 last one who's in his third year now four third year, 0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:16.640 Kendall Fuller who's with the Kansas City Chiefs. And they 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:21.680 are older brothers who I did not represent. Vincent Fuller 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.320 was a draft pick with the Tennessee Titans. He's retired 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:27.400 now he's actually working as a lawyer. 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:29.760 And the four brothers, for all four. 0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:31.960 Of them, they're all siblings. All their siblings made it 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:32.560 to the NFL. 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:34.880 Wow, So what do you feel about There was a 0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:38.120 quarterback of the I think the Colts. He just made 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:41.080 news because he he did his own contract and actually 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:45.240 got someone on the podcast Brandon Copeland negotiated Huh Brisbane 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:50.719 yea and Brandon Copeland. He also negotiated his own contract too. 0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:52.800 He was a guest on the podcast, So what would 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:56.320 you What do you think about players not utilizing agents 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:57.120 and doing it themselves. 0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.840 Well, it's a little saying the girls. Anybody who re 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.600 presence yourself as a lawyer as a fool for a client. 0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:08.480 I mean, you know, if you have the background and 0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:10.960 you know it, that's all found and Dandy, I know, 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:13.400 he put comments out there in the media that he 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:16.720 didn't want an agent BS and BS and on his behalf. 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:18.719 Why does his agent have to be BS and you 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.480 know this language. I didn't look on his contract, for say, 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:23.960 everybody just looks at the numbers, and he was probably 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:25.680 you know, I'm not talking about them, but he was 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:27.919 probably just gunn help me because they came and offer 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:31.399 him something. Because Andrew Luck He's like, oh, I'm taking that. Hey, 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:34.640 I don't know whatever whatever it was, And maybe he's 0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:35.960 looking at like I want to go to get this 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.320 if luckis I don't know. I haven't looked at the contract, 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:42.200 but I just hope he's protected, protected because there are 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:44.279 ways that he can lose. I don't know what his 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:47.200 guarantees was or anything like that, and that's why we 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.520 earned our keep. That's where we earn number. But you 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:51.080 know too, each is all if you don't want to 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:52.080 use an agent, you know what I. 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:53.279 Mean for sure? 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:54.680 All right, So yeah, we got a lot of good 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:56.680 gyms on the on the NFL. So in the next time, 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.800 we're going to talk about correct bit preparing players for 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:02.160 the career after sports with some other stuff that you 0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:02.759 do as well. 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:04.920 So you've been getting to that, all right. 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:06.799 So now in the last segment, we're going to talk 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.040 about life after football for your client, because that's something 0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:10.920 that you're really passionate about. Is is like, you know, 0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:13.480 one thing to be an NFL agent and you know, 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:15.560 to work with guys when they're actually in the league. 0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:19.200 But as famous Sheikh Lops said, you're going to be 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.240 older a lot longer than you're going to be younger. 0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.919 To the lock stay from Westchester also for sure for sure, 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:26.480 So what does that look like? 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:28.319 Because I know you were talking, that's something that you're 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.320 real passionate about as far as like you know, helping 0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.520 them out and like even with charities and things of 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:34.640 that nature. So like, what's that look like having like 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:35.840 the career after football. 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:38.960 Well, right now, because I've been in about you know, 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.640 sixteen or eighteen years around that time, some of my 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:46.600 first guys some are already retired, but you know, some 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:49.239 of my bigger guys are now you know, starting to 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:54.440 come upon retirement. And like, for example, one guy, Percy Harvin, 0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:56.400 has hired me. I used to be his agent when 0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:58.120 he was in the league, and now he's hired me 0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.920 to be his business man. And what's that doing is 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.160 basically finding businesses for them to start with or to 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:08.960 start up and to get involved with. Not managing their 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:11.640 money or anything like that. But like, for example, someone 0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:14.200 wants to get into cannabis, someone wants to get into 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:18.640 real estate, someone wants to invest in tech. So just 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:22.120 working as a business manager. When I recruit these guys, 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:24.279 I ask them, you know, and I let them know 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.040 like this is something I love to do. I love 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:30.000 to work with athletes, and even when they're done playing, 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:32.360 hopefully it'll be an opportunity where I can continue to 0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:35.440 work for them. I've gained that trust where they allow 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.719 me to help them with their businesses, you know, as 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.880 they're not playing anymore. It might be things simple as 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.960 just keeping their football camp going in the off season, 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:48.640 you know, or something like, you know, creating a golfing 0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.320 event to give back to a charity or something like that. 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.800 So it's not just always doing things for profit, but 0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:57.200 also getting their name out there. And I always try 0:44:57.239 --> 0:45:00.440 to tell my guys, you know, do things for company 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.759 while you're maximize your worth while you're playing. Once you're 0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:06.879 done playing, nobody cares about you, you know, unless you're 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.760 a Tom Brady type guy. Yeah, thirty seven super Bowls 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:14.560 or whatever, you know what I mean. But these companies 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:18.080 might not need you when you're done, So do little things. 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:21.480 I encourage them to do things to do speaking engagements 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.040 and things like that for a company, even though it 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:25.920 might not be paying anything, that's going to make a 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:28.440 real difference for them. Do that because they'll remember that 0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:30.840 after you're done playing, and sometimes that could be the 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.880 difference between you picking a job or a job picking 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:36.120 you or career once you're done, you know what I mean. 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.120 You want to be able to do what you want 0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.279 to do when you're done playing. So that's what I 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:41.719 try to set up for them. 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.399 So the average NFL career is short lived. 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:47.719 Right, So these athletes could be done playing by twenty five, 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:48.440 thirty years old. 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:48.880 Easy. 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:51.520 So what is the toughest thing as far as that 0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:54.680 transition period that you see with your athletes finding. 0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:59.120 Out what they want to do after football, what they 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:02.560 want to do for them? You still got two thirds 0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:05.160 of your life, right what they're trying to give us? 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.160 What about seventy five eighty five? Right now? 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:08.960 You know? 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:10.839 So what you're going to do and if you've done 0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:12.920 it twenty five, whether you're rich or not, you know, 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:14.640 what are you going to do? Because even if you're rich, 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:16.920 that money's gonna run out if you're not doing anything. 0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:20.399 So hopefully they have a good financial advisor and then 0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:23.640 they downsize and what they're you know, and they're they're living. 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.040 You know, you don't, you never need three cars. 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:29.000 But all right, So one thing I was curious about, 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:33.760 what's the difference between negotiating contracts for players and negotiating 0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:35.560 endorsement deals, because that's something that you do as well 0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:37.640 as far as the agent is concerned, is endorsement. 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:42.919 Negotiating is negotiating. So when you say negotiating a contract, well, 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:45.239 what you mean by. 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:47.000 That, like, well, like, as far as all right, friends, 0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:50.960 So like, all right, the NFL player and gets drafted 0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:53.239 and you have to negotiate the contract right right, and 0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:55.560 the guarantee and stuff like that. But then they they 0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:58.440 know Coca Cola wants to, you know, endorse them. So 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.920 that's a different I would assume conversation, right, like, how 0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:02.799 does that more? 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:06.880 Well, you're still selling your client to both you know, 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:09.520 you're selling your client to a team. You're selling your 0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:12.200 client to a brand. A lot of times you got 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:13.840 to make sure it's the right fit. But that that 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:17.719 goes also with football also. You know, sometimes I guess 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:21.160 the difference, but it's very similar because I was going 0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.600 to say, you got a brand like Coca Cola that 0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:26.960 might say he's the right fit for us. But just 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:29.160 that and the third same thing with the Raiders, they 0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:31.520 might say he's the right fit for us. So I 0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:33.360 don't think it's too much different. Now, of course, the 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:38.600 contracts are structured much different, and doing an endorsement contract 0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:41.080 you're not governed by anybody, so of course it's different. 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:43.840 It's really just whatever you're a green and greening on 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:46.839 in the language and the contract on what that brand 0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:47.440 is offering. 0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:50.239 The endorsement jails are a lot shorter. What is like 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:52.240 the average term for an endorsement. 0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:54.839 I would say is a lot of that's year by year, 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:58.280 you know, in most cases it's year by year, season 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:02.160 by season. You know, you know, your average a pair 0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:05.480 of you know, shoe deal might be for about two years, 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:07.320 maybe three years the most, something like that. 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:10.359 Yeah, I remember Iverson had the legendary lifetime. 0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:11.880 Lifetime and now Lebron has. 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.360 Now Lebron has a lifetime NI those days, you got 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:15.799 to be super level there. 0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:17.800 You go right right where they know they're going to 0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:20.040 sell your likeness for years and years after. 0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:23.400 I think they just they just built the whole building 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:27.480 building for where at the Nike Nike I saw that. 0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:29.600 Something like that. 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:32.800 So, all right, speaking about Lebron, So you're a football 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:35.400 guy and he played football, and you're a football agent, 0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:39.680 but you have ties in basketball also AU circuit. I 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:42.640 know your son's played AU and you've been around basketball level. 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:44.560 That was actually, yeah, I love it a. 0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:46.359 Long time, probably longer than you played the football right 0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:47.319 all the same time. 0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:50.359 Time eight nine years old, seven eight years old, that's 0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:54.480 you know. But of course I made my living playing football. 0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:57.400 When I say living, got scholarship So. 0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:00.279 As far as AAU is concerned for basketball, when you're 0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:02.279 talking off camera, like how big it is, and a 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:04.320 lot of times people don't fully understand, Like can you 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:06.880 just like briefly talk about that, Like what's the influence 0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:09.360 of AAU on college basketball? 0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:12.000 And just a big business right now. It's a big business. 0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:14.000 And that's where you you know, you heard all the 0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.520 corrupt things that was going on, you know, and the 0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:20.239 charges or the fence came in and you know, the 0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:23.400 whole the whole thing with our Adidas and couple of 0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:25.840 college coaches, you know what I mean. It's such a 0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:30.640 big bottom line. These brands want kids in their brands. 0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.080 There their big picture is to make money off a 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:36.840 player once they become pro. They need the next Lebron, 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:39.200 They need the next Alan Moblinson, like you said, and 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.439 that's how they make their money. They need the next 0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:45.400 or under Armour wants the next stuff, the next steph current. 0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:48.080 So what they do they go out and sponsor AAU 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:50.320 teams and they give them a lot of product and 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.920 pay for them to travel and hopefully that will funnel 0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:56.440 them to their brand college and it goes from there. 0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:58.360 Hopefully at the end of the day, they get that 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:01.280 player wearing their shoes, they're going to sell those shoes 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:03.319 for X amount of dollars and they. 0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:05.480 Make It's like that influence that will live with them. 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:08.240 So like eleven, when we gave you all those niggas, 0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:11.120 right now you're eighteen, right, and they get directed towards 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:13.479 schools too, right, So like they have the a you can't, 0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:14.440 they're not supposed to. 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:15.600 But that's what's going on. 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:18.759 You you know, because like an Adidas school and then 0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:20.080 you had Adidas High school. 0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:20.600 Now you go to. 0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:26.759 Adidas Grassroots exactly the day you signed with Adidas, and 0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:28.000 they they give. 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:30.359 It's like it's like it's like another person from our 0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:32.080 town that you may not know be from our town. 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:34.799 Jonathan Well, I know. 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:37.800 Is his dad. I knew of you know, knew we 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:39.600 worked out a couple of times the Mets. Yeah, yeah, 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.040 because he was with the Mets when I used to 0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:42.080 work out before. Yeah. 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:43.400 I don't know if it was a coincidence or not, 0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:45.920 but obviously he went to Louisville, which is which is 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:48.560 Ada school, and now he's Adida is one of the 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:49.440 premium athletes. 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:53.839 Yeah, he has his own shoe, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:55.719 yeah for sure, so shout to him to send me 0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:56.800 something from my kids. 0:50:58.239 --> 0:50:59.040 For sure? For sure. 0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:03.920 So all right, so oh okay, as far as you 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:07.000 know picking an agent, right, we're gonna we're gonna end 0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.040 it with this. What what should have Because a lot 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:10.800 of guys in the league listen to us, and a 0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:13.920 lot of aspiring guys, you know, have dreams of going 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:17.000 to the league, and even parents and things of that nature. 0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:21.880 What should somebody look at when they're evaluating picking an agent, 0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:24.160 Like in your opinion, like, how do you do that? 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:27.480 You want to make sure he's experienced. You don't want 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:29.160 to be a guinea pig, you know what I mean. 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:32.759 If you blow your knee out, you're gonna go and 0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:36.560 get surgery by the guy who did three thousand surgeries, 0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:38.000 or you're gonna go with the guy who just did 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:40.279 one surgery. You know what I mean? Now, how does 0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:42.359 that guy with that one surgery get? You know, known, 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:44.040 you got to work on just somebody who was doing 0:51:44.080 --> 0:51:46.359 a lot and eventually, like you said, get your break. 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:48.279 But you don't want to be a guinea pig, that's 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:49.800 number one. So you want to go with somebody with 0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:53.520 ex experience, expertise, and you want them to have power. 0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:55.000 You want them to have juice to be able to 0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:58.080 talk for you in the league. You know, the owners 0:51:58.200 --> 0:51:59.880 aren't your friend, you know what I mean, So you 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:02.400 want to go and do contracts for yourself. They know 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:05.080 they love it, They would love that. They love when 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:07.239 they hear the mom is working as an agent or 0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:09.680 he's going to represent themselves because they're gonna take advantage 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:11.520 of you. And then for the most important point, once 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:13.680 you get past that, somebody you can relate to and 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:16.120 you can trust when you sign with them. You can't 0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:18.640 trust them at that point yet if you just met them, 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:21.839 uh during the recruiting process. So that's going to come 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.520 with time. But somebody who's that guy you you can 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:27.160 you have the least trust issues with and that you 0:52:27.280 --> 0:52:30.440 have a relationship with. Everybody's different sometimes, I mean, we 0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:33.960 just don't click some guys out here right off, you know, 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.920 and you can feel it sometimes. I mean, so everything's different. 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:39.880 Everybody's different. But going you want to look for somebody 0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:41.560 you can relate to and you can trust. 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:43.560 That's for the most part, that's dope. 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:43.799 Man. 0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:48.000 So once again, man, thank you for joining us a 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:49.080 special hometown. 0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:55.120 Guys in my hometown elementary school when I was getting 0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:56.600 out of coming out of high school. 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:58.880 For sure, for sure. So it's good to you know, 0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:02.320 have roma. It's good to have role models and hopefully 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:04.520 we could see you to do what you did. You know, 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:06.640 give the inspiration to people younger than us and even 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:08.759 people older than us. You know, you can never be 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:11.600 ashamed to learn from somebody, no matter what age they are. 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:14.680 So how can the people contact you? And what's should 0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:16.800 you have any initiatives or anything going on that you 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:17.719 want to make people aware of? 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:20.560 Not right now? You know, right now, you know a couple, 0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:23.840 couple of business and devins throughout Atlanta, but you know, 0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:26.600 nothing where I need to promote. Right now, my main 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.120 focus is being the best NFL agent I can. You know, 0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:32.040 I'm a family man. You know, I'm you know, uh 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:35.120 married with two kids. You know, I didn't mention that 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:37.120 before I got eight year old son and a twelve 0:53:37.200 --> 0:53:39.200 year old son. They have you in sports. And I 0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:41.680 have a wife, Katrine Us. She works in school system. 0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:44.840 She's a media specialist. She loves doing that. So you know, 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:47.160 right now that's my focus, being the best you know, 0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:49.400 husband and I can do and dad and you know, 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:52.680 focusing on being an NFL agent and see where it 0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:54.799 takes me in my upper years. You know, I love 0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:55.960 working with athletes, you know. 0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:56.200 What I mean? 0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:58.200 Yeah, for sure, sure choice. 0:53:58.680 --> 0:53:58.879 Yeah. 0:53:58.960 --> 0:54:02.320 So shout out to everybody on our Patreon that's patreon 0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:04.520 dot com, Backslash and your Leisure. That's our proud of 0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:07.400 pay program. We said there are five tiers. You can 0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:10.520 join any tier. 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Keep supporting that. 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.520 Yeah yeah, And once again shout out to the to 0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:48.680 the city of Atlanta. It's always a good time when 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.920 we're out here, and shout out to the town of Greenberg. 0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:55.520 That's where we come from. Yeah, very special place, very 0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:56.200 funny place. 0:54:57.480 --> 0:54:59.880 And just know you guys are safe here in Atlanta. 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:06.799 Shout out to Mike Man. 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:08.399 My book. 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.480 Tip of the week is Sole Influence, and that talks 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:14.200 about grassroots basketball. Just kind of piggyback in all conversation 0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:16.960 that we had on AAU basketball. And once again, especially 0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:18.520 for parents a lot of times. You know, I'm a 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:22.040 parent myself and my son plays basketball. Now he's talking 0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:23.680 about he wants to be on AAU teams and things 0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:26.040 of that nature. So it's a very competitive landscape. But 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:29.560 unfortunately it's a lot of corruption like all things, so 0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:33.000 you just got to navigate that. And it's also important 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:35.880 for athletes to to not just play the game, but 0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:38.040 to understand that, you know, there's a there's a career 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:39.520 after that and the flip side of that. And that's 0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:42.799 why every player that's coming into the league and all 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:45.160 the parents and coaches you need to hilt my man, Greg, 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:48.040 so you can set you up right. Yeah, yeah, for sure, 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:50.839 for sure. So once again, thank you guys for rocking 0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:52.000 with us. 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