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Speaker 2: Oh god, I hate these assholes.

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Speaker 1: Zoom. If you're listening to this and leaking my.

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Speaker 3: Ship, keep follow this in, than you keep follow this in.

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Speaker 3: Just keep it all in beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Settings, beautiful stuff.

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Speaker 3: Sufferable, it's welcome. It could happen here. Executive dysfunction, disorder,

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Speaker 3: I for disorder.

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Speaker 5: The weekly newscast we do that covers what's happening in

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Speaker 5: the White House, the crumbling world of what it means

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Speaker 5: for you.

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Speaker 3: And Sophie's simmering rage at Zoom constantly moving the recording button, not.

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Speaker 1: Even just Zoom, it's all the it's insufferable, all these

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Speaker 1: goddamn platforms, but they're stupid AI features and moving of

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Speaker 1: my settings. I sound like the oldest person in the world,

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Speaker 1: but that's the record.

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Speaker 5: But this, sup it, it's so annoying.

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Speaker 3: Holy shit, everybody's pretty pissed about AI these days.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's sufferbly stupid, but stop it, stop it.

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Speaker 6: And we have to use Microsoft for work, and every

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Speaker 6: time I try to copy something, it asks if I.

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Speaker 2: Want to use copilot. No, I never want to use

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Speaker 2: co pilot.

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Speaker 5: Fuck off, Sophie, You're really not maximizing your productivity.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this week, we're.

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Speaker 1: Covering in I eighteens now and no, don't do that

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Speaker 1: to me.

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Speaker 6: Clvicular a shit, stop it, stop it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going away now to your jobs.

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Speaker 3: What are our jobs?

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Speaker 2: Really? You're not going to join in. I'm here, I'm

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Speaker 2: always here.

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Speaker 5: That's Sophie Lichterman, also Mia Wong, Robert Evans, I'm Garrison Davis.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 5: This episode recovering the week of March eighteen to March

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Speaker 5: twenty fifth. Speaking of ai, open ai is announced they

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Speaker 5: are shutting down their AI generated video apps Sora and

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Speaker 5: as a results, the Disney deal has fell through. Disney's

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Speaker 5: no longer going through with the one billion dollar investment

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Speaker 5: and character licensing deal with open Ai.

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Speaker 3: Oh no.

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Speaker 5: According to the Hollywood Reporter, I know our audience is

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Speaker 5: full of a lot of big Sora ads, and I'm

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Speaker 5: sure this is some tough news.

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Speaker 3: The Soura community is taking hits.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's okay. You can still play Sora in

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Speaker 2: Smash Ultimate. You can recover I believe in you want.

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Speaker 3: There's a video game character named Sora too. Huh.

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Speaker 2: The key Blade, the key Blade will still be there.

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Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't get into those games actually lyricously.

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Speaker 2: Also, it also a Disney franchise, also licensed through Disney.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great, great stuff. Well, I found this very funny

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Speaker 3: in part because, like when Sora came out, there was

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Speaker 3: this like burst of enthusiasm for like, soon we'll just

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Speaker 3: be generating our own movies and TV you won't need Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: But then it turned out that you can't actually like

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Speaker 3: do like even if you want to make stuff with Sora,

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Speaker 3: And there were a couple of filmmakers who tried to

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Speaker 3: you know, I can use like pieces of Soora generated

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Speaker 3: you couldn't actually use like Sora footage in anything that

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Speaker 3: of use basically did not allow it because of how

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Speaker 3: much risk you were at of getting sued for, you know,

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Speaker 3: utilizing other people's shit content other people made. Open AI

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Speaker 3: was not willing to indemnify the users. Adobe has a

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Speaker 3: similar like slop AI video generation machine that does indemnify

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Speaker 3: like users of the content they make, and that is

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Speaker 3: still going. Yeah, so I think that's was kind of

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Speaker 3: like one of the key issues here is just that,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, this doesn't mean it's gonna lead to

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Speaker 3: Lord, No, Unfortunately, Now.

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Speaker 5: This is a movement that open air is making towards

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Speaker 5: It's still an interesting move. The fact that Disney's breaking

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Speaker 5: ai and like a generated video in the long run

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Speaker 2: other reason they're doing this is that this stuff is

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of money to generate this stuff onfathomable

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Speaker 5: amounts of money are just being lit on fire.

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Speaker 2: Listen to everything ever written by our friends and colleague

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Speaker 2: ed Zytron if you want to know how much money

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Speaker 5: But yeah, Yeah, a few other small news stories. The

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Speaker 5: US Army has raised its maximum enlistment age to forty two,

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Speaker 5: and the Pentagon is planning to maintain National Guard presence

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Speaker 5: in Washington, d C. Through the entirety of Trump's second term.

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Speaker 5: In a special election Tuesday night, the Dems flipped Trump's

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Speaker 5: own state House district in Florida, Palm Beach County. Trump

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Speaker 2: Are we going to point out how he voted in.

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Speaker 5: That election vote by mail, but it's okay because the

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Speaker 5: Florida system is safe and secure.

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Speaker 2: is more vindication of the Meya of the Miya Blue

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Speaker 2: tsunami theory that this is going to be a two

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Speaker 2: Logo by two points.

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Speaker 3: elections are going to go anymore. Yeah, just because yeah,

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Speaker 5: This is not a good sign for Republicans, even though

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Speaker 5: only like thirty three thousand people voted in this election.

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Speaker 5: It is still interesting data.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you would think again that he would he would

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Speaker 5: The FBI is investigating former director of the National counter

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Speaker 5: interview with Tucker Carlson last week, Kent implied Israel may

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Speaker 3: God, yeah, man, Israel killed Charlie Kirk. That's why there

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Speaker 3: haven't been any other people on the right who have

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Speaker 3: complained about Trump's aiding and the betting Israeli war crimes,

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Speaker 3: like what, No other conservatives have been pissed about the

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Speaker 2: He was the lone anti semi. He was the only one.

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Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk was the golden dome. Sly Trump, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, silly idea.

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Speaker 2: For our first big story.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about airports, Everyone's favorite way to spend five

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Speaker 5: to who knows, however.

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Speaker 4: Impossible how many hours?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, an impossible avount? Oh god, no way to know.

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Speaker 5: DCHS has been shut down for over a month now,

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Speaker 5: and more than four hundred TIS agents have quit after

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Speaker 5: being left without pay, while ICE agents continued to receive

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Speaker 5: paychecks through last year's Big Beautiful Bill. This past weekend,

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Speaker 5: Trump announced ICE would be deployed to airports to assist

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Speaker 5: TSA during the shutdown. By Monday morning, ICE agents have

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Speaker 5: been sent to airports in Atlanta, Chicago, Cleveland, Houston, Fort Myers,

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Speaker 5: two New York airports. Interestingly, come Monday, when ICE was spotted,

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Speaker 5: they were not wearing masks, which seems to go against

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Speaker 5: agency claims that masks are for protecting agents against so

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Speaker 5: called dosing. That morning, Trump truth to quote, I'm a

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Speaker 5: big proponent of ICE wearing masks as they search for

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Speaker 5: and are forced to deal with hardened criminals. I would

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Speaker 5: greatly appreciate. However, no masks in all caps when helping

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Speaker 5: our country out of the Democrat caused mess at the airports, etc.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Later on Monday, Trump was asked whose idea it was

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Speaker 5: to send ice to airports, and he had this fascinating response, Mine,

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Speaker 5: that was mine.

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Speaker 2: That was like the paper clip.

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Speaker 7: You know the story of the paper clip. One hundred

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Speaker 7: and eighty two years ago. A man discovered the paper clip.

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Speaker 7: It was so simple, and everybody that looked at it

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Speaker 2: I called.

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Speaker 7: First person I called was Tom Homan. I said, what

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Speaker 7: do you think? He said, I think it's great. Then

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Speaker 7: I saw it today there was some masks so and

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Speaker 7: I didn't think the masks were proper. I put out

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Speaker 3: Over the paper Cliff discovered the paper clip. Every now

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Speaker 3: and then you get a little hint about his media diet.

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Speaker 5: It is just fascinating discover the paper paper clip. It's

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Speaker 5: one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard. It's

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Speaker 5: it's insane.

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Speaker 3: Somebody told him a little story about like, well, you

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Speaker 3: know the person who vented the paper clip, and Trump

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Speaker 3: just kind of ran with it. That's got to be it, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, It's like it's like the paper clip exists as

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Speaker 5: like as like a platonic form, like like existing and

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Speaker 3: Someone chiseled it out of a piece of granite, the

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Speaker 2: It's like forty case shit. Where like the theory is

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Speaker 2: that all technology has already been invented, So if you

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Speaker 3: Yes, the Dark Age of technology gave us the paper clip,

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Speaker 3: and it is actually heresy to invent a new kind

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Speaker 5: Now in less funny news, also on Monday, Trump confirmed

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Speaker 5: that ICE would be arresting people at airports.

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Speaker 3: We see ICE arresting legal migrants.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, that's why the Democrats are going crazy because

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Speaker 7: they've allowed by what they did and hold up, we've

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Speaker 7: put ICE who are a very high level I mean

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Speaker 7: they really are a high level group of people, and

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Speaker 7: they love it because they're able to now arrest illegals

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Speaker 7: as they come into the country. That's very fertile territory.

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Speaker 7: But that's not why they're there.

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Speaker 3: They're really there to help, uh huh, there to help.

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Speaker 5: Most people who are documented do not illegally enter the

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Speaker 3: That would be silly.

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Speaker 5: They overstay a visa that so they lose their legal presence.

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Speaker 5: On Fox News, Tom Homan claimed that ICE was helping

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Speaker 5: to reduce long lines at airports as well as arrest criminals.

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Speaker 8: And we're filling the holes. The weight lines already dropped.

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Speaker 8: Plus we're doing a security function at the airports. We're

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Speaker 8: going to arrest criminals going to as airport. We're gonna

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Speaker 8: look for human trafficking, sex trafficking, money, you know, money, small.

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Speaker 3: We're back, So let's talk about the war that's been

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Speaker 3: going on for like a month at this point in time.

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Speaker 3: You know, as we're kind of sitting here right now,

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Speaker 3: we've all seen gas prices leap up substantial. In California,

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Speaker 3: to be in. And any military leader who has been

440
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: under fire is trying very hard right now to let

441
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 3: Trump know this will not be a low casualty endeavor,

442
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: and it will not be an easy endeavor. And you

443
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: will not wind up just controlling this island and being

444
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 3: able to dictate things to Iran. You will wind up

445
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 3: having potentially thousands of your boys held captive by Iranian

446
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 3: forces that surround them and flink explosives at them all

447
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 3: day long. It's a bad position to be in.

448
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this and this is I think part of

449
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: like the issue with with the Trump administration's policy here

450
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: is like Trump himself and the people around him just

451
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: seem to have been treating the Iranian army as not

452
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: a real armist and it is no, this is this

453
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: is an actual they know what they're doing, Like this

454
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: is this is not the Venezuelan army, Like this is

455
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: an actual army. Yeah, Like you can't do this ship.

456
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys left to have a lot

457
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: of experience in it preparing for this exact war for

458
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 3: a very long time.

459
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and who are ideologically motivated to not have the

460
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: US like invade their country. The issues here with the

461
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: fact that there's there's no good way to open the straight.

462
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 2: I think it's been dictating a lot of what Trump's

463
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: been doing with his negotiations, and I've started calling them

464
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: like market negotiations because if you look at whenever Trump

465
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: releases a statement, So on Monday, for example, he released

466
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: the thing saying like, ah, we've entered like peace negotiations.

467
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: And that was Monday morning as the markets were opening

468
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: from a very panicky weekend where people were it was

469
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: sort of setting in that oil prices were going to

470
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 2: be increasing. And whenever Trump does one of these speeches

471
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: where he says, oh, well, we're gon We're going to

472
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: find some way to open the straight, or he does

473
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: these like peace off like he sends this piece deal

474
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Speaker 2: to a Ron, which we don't know the details of.

475
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: There was like a reported leak of it in the

476
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: Israeli media, but we don't know exactly what's in it.

477
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Speaker 2: From that Israeli leak, it didn't seem to be a

478
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Speaker 2: I mean, it didn't seem to be something that the

479
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Speaker 2: government would accept, right. But the reason he's doing it

480
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 2: is because he's trying to calm the markets down on

481
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Speaker 2: a sort of on a sort of day by day basis.

482
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Speaker 2: And part of it also was that there was this

483
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Speaker 2: whole panic that Trump had been threatening early this week

484
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: to start doing all of these bombing campaigns against Iranian

485
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Speaker 2: like civilian power facilities and supposedly non civilian power facilities,

486
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 2: and then on Monday he was like, no, no, no, we're

487
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: not actually doing that. Actually we're doing peace talks. We're

488
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: pushing this off for five days. And this is again

489
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: market manipulation stuff, right, because he walked.

490
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Speaker 5: Only, we're only at war during the weekend when the

491
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Speaker 5: markets are closed.

492
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Speaker 2: So this is what these negotiations are, right, And that's

493
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Speaker 2: why and Ron immediately like it goes like no, like

494
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: we're not We're not in negotiations, and then released their

495
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: own five point plan to end the war, which the

496
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: US would pay war damages. And they've been really consistent

497
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: about this, which the US would pay war damages and reparations.

498
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: And then this one and also, you know, there was

499
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: a whole thing about obviously like the US stopping the war.

500
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: They're bringing the current measures in place to keep the

501
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: US and doing it again. They want the US to

502
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Speaker 2: have its regional proxies stand down, which would also presumably

503
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Speaker 2: end the other major thing that's going on in this war,

504
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: which is just Israel ethnically cleansing this south to Lebanon.

505
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Speaker 2: We just we just released an episode about this. It's

506
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Speaker 2: very good.

507
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Speaker 3: Yeah, make a defensive barrier.

508
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the ever, the last part about this, and

509
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Speaker 2: this is the part that I that I think is

510
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: the real kind of clincher here, is that it would

511
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: give Iran control over the straight oh Hormuz, which is

512
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: a real problem for any kind of American negotiation because

513
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: this was always a thing that the Irnan government never did, right.

514
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: They had the military capacity to hold the straight. The

515
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: reason they didn't do it was that it would start

516
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: a war. But now you started the war, and now

517
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: you've opened Pandora's box, and you can't put the fact

518
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: that they can do this militarily back into the box.

519
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

520
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: Right, so now they're just being like, fuck it, you

521
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: guys can't actually defeat us militarily before the entire world

522
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: economy collapses, Like fuck it, give us the straight now.

523
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Speaker 2: I do want to mention something about some of the

524
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: oil tankers, which is that, Okay, the whole situation is

525
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: very murky, but Iran has been I mean, obviously it's

526
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: been allowing its own tankers to go through, which is

527
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: not a huge amount of oil, but it's some We

528
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: got a reported case the statements on this were released

529
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 2: by the Thai governments and also a Thai oil company

530
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: where the Thai basically foreign minister like called the Iranian

531
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: government and said, hey, we have an oil taker here,

532
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: we let it through, and they went yeah, sure. So

533
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: there seems to be some kind of process by which

534
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: countries can do some kind of negotiation with the running

535
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: government and be let through. What exactly the look that

536
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: looks like in the details of it are really unclear.

537
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: We don't know if this is a pattern or if

538
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 2: they were just like, yeah, sure whatever, Thailand, you can,

539
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: you can do this. But yeah, that's kind of the

540
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: state of things. I guess I guess we should also

541
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: mention there's been a bunch of reporting at the US

542
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: is deploying two thousands paratroopers. I've seen both one thousand

543
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: and two thousand. Side it is a number from the

544
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: eighty second Airborne into the region, which presumably would be

545
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: there for that like disastrous carg Island campaign.

546
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Speaker 5: But oh boy, which is not boots on the ground

547
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 5: because it's an.

548
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: Island's gun doesn't counts.

549
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: The ground doesn't count.

550
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 3: As we're good.

551
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for US to fight an entire war

552
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: in the Arctic where he's like, there's not boots on

553
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 2: the ground because they're all wearing snow shirts.

554
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: Can't get us there.

555
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 5: You see, all the Marines are wearing jet packs. They

556
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 5: never touched the ground.

557
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: They never touched the ground. They've got those weird what

558
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: there's wear water backpacks that you fly you can fly with.

559
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: Little jet ski.

560
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: They're not touching the ground.

561
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: They're they're all laying a corduet road in front of them,

562
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: so they're not technically on the ground. They're on this road.

563
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 2: That Yeah, so things continue to go bad. Leave for

564
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: kind of everyone involved in this war except I guess

565
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: the Israelis, who.

566
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: Are they seem to be happy.

567
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should be having a great time doing their

568
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: doing another ethnic cleansing. But another group of people who've

569
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: been doing extremely badly as a result of this, and

570
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: has gotten almost no coverage in the American press to

571
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: the extent that like I found out about I mean,

572
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 2: like I was started hearing about the stuff from just

573
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: like by friends who are Indian, which is that things

574
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: are very very bad right now in East and South

575
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: East Asia and just Southeast in general. Multiple countries, including

576
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: a Thailand for example, have either sent part or all

577
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: of their government employees home and told them to just

578
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: work from home because they can't afford to keep their

579
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: offices open because like cooling the offices is too expensive.

580
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: They're sort of rolling crisis like across the entire sort

581
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: of specific rim area because all of these countries are

582
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: unbelievably reliance on oil natural gas. This is also down

583
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: to stuff like cooking oil too, which they also have

584
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: not been able to get. And so you know, you

585
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: can look at Sri Lanka where there are these just

586
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: enormous fuel cues because the Sri Lankan governments they're four

587
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: years out from the last time that they weren't able

588
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: to input oil. That one was a sort of currency crisis,

589
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: balance at payments issue they were having. But the moment

590
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: there was there was a problem with the oil supply,

591
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 2: the government started doing rationing. So now you have these

592
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: massive lines for people trying to get gasoline. That's I

593
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 2: think one of the worst ones in terms of just

594
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: pure inability to get gasoline. So this is a problem

595
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: across the region. The BBC also said, I'm just gonna

596
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: read the quoth from the VC that they quote declared

597
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: Wednesdays a public holiday. Sure, so yeah, they're just adding

598
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: another day to the weekend because they can't have businesses open.

599
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: Because businesses can't afford to like heat or cool themselves,

600
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: they literally can't afford to keep the economy running. And

601
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Speaker 2: variations of this are playing out all across South Asia.

602
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: There's been a massive closure of industries in India, a

603
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: whole bunch of restaurants. I think the estimates were about

604
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: one fifth of restaurants are just gone because they can't

605
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: get cooking oil. And you have the situations where like

606
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: anything that requires like cooking oil, even other things that

607
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: are open, like can't be used Gujarat, but the Indian

608
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: side of Gujarat has a very large ceramic industry and

609
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: it's gone. It's been gone for like a month. Eighty

610
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: percent of it is shut down. This is four hundred

611
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: thousand people affected by this because they're using propane and

612
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: there's no pane. And this this is playing out across

613
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: the region right There's been some reporting about concerns in

614
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: Taiwan over whether they're going to have enough sort of

615
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: liquified natural gas in order to keep their ship facilities running.

616
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: But Taiwan is like kind of okay. It's places like

617
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: Sri Lanka's, places like Thailand's, places like Miammars, India where

618
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: things are getting really really bleak really quickly. There's a

619
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: story that I kind of did make it through into

620
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: the American press about how the US temporary lifted sanctions

621
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: on Iranian oil specifically so that there are these tankers,

622
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: the Iranian tankers that were just at sea and the

623
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: sanctions specifically on those tankers are lifted so India could

624
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: buy it. And this has been happening with Russian oil too,

625
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: And the reason this is happening is that if you're

626
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: not getting these kind of injections of oil, the situation

627
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: there would be even more bleak than it already is.

628
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: And obviously there's some places where just everything is continuing

629
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: as normal, but you're starting to see just kind of

630
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: these countries on raffle because so much of their infrastructure

631
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: is based on an oil and natural gas that's that's

632
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: that's coming through the Gulf, and it's really fucking bleak.

633
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: And it's something to keep in mind as as this

634
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: crisis rolls on, we're dealing with like gas price go up,

635
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: which is obviously bad in an issue. There are a

636
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: shit ton of people in the world where it's like, yeah,

637
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: I know, like four hundred thousand people are out of

638
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: their jobs because their entire ceramics industry is gone. Yeah right,

639
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: and these are these are not people who have money

640
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: in the first place. And this is crisis is just

641
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: going to continue as long as the Trump keeps this

642
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: war going.

643
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: So I guess we'll see how long that is.

644
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: Hopefully not long.

645
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Poland continues to be bad.

646
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 5: I'm sure Marco Rubio and JD Events are going to

647
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 5: be on it as they god as they continue their negotiations.

648
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not a long list of people that I

649
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 2: want running negotiations less than jd Vance. But like it's

650
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: it's not great.

651
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 5: It's not no, it's not great. It's there's no way

652
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 5: to sugarcoat it.

653
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: Here it says something about how much fucking Kushner screwed

654
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: the pooch that Iran is like, yeah, I get Vance

655
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: in here, bring bringing Vance, you get jd Vance in here.

656
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk to that other guy again.

657
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: There is like a legitimate problem they're having, which is

658
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Speaker 2: like there's been a lot of jokes about how like

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Speaker 2: all the DEI firings are like fucking the but like

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Speaker 2: it actually is where there's like a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: the embassy staff people like got fired because they weren't

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Speaker 2: white and because the those people were just like fuck it.

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Speaker 2: And now it's like, I mean, this was a situation

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Speaker 2: already the US government's like experts on on other countries

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Speaker 2: tend to be like.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at what happened in the

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Speaker 3: lead up to the Iraq War, anyone who knew anything

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Speaker 3: about Iraq as an actual s subject matter expert was

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Speaker 3: basically isolated and cut out of like the planning because

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Speaker 3: they were all saying don't do what you're doing. It's

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Speaker 3: not gonna work well.

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Speaker 2: And and and even even even in administrations, we regard

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Speaker 2: as competent. Like I I randomly, like when I was

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Speaker 2: at you Reach Chicago, like going to school, I met

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Speaker 2: the guy who was who was set Calm Syria analyst,

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Speaker 2: like right when at the beginning of this year in revolution,

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Speaker 2: and he was like reporting to Barack Obama about what

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Speaker 2: was going on, and it was just like some guy

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Speaker 2: like it was it was it was like some guy

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Speaker 2: who'd gotten like an undergrad degree, right, yeah, Like and

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Speaker 2: even those guys are getting like it was just like

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Speaker 2: some random asshole with I mean, like he's like knew

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Speaker 2: his stuff, but he wasn't like a he wasn't like

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Speaker 2: an expert on this, right. And even those people are gone,

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Speaker 2: And so now you're dealing with those people who are

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Speaker 2: supposedly running these negotiations. You just have like literally no

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Speaker 2: idea what's going on because they fired every non white person.

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Speaker 2: So it's just catastrophic for the entire world.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 5: Cool, One more ad break and we will return for

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Speaker 5: a final segment giving an update on a friend of

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Speaker 5: the pod, Gregory Latino.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Greg, all right, we are back.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it's time for our reoccurring Bavino segment, hopefully the last.

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Speaker 3: God what's boving on?

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Speaker 5: He just had a very interesting interview with The New

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Speaker 5: York Times he did in which he said that before

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Speaker 5: he was demoted from his role as Commander at Large,

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Speaker 5: he had a plan at DHS to deport one hundred

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Speaker 5: million people, something that DHS then tweeted about with a

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Speaker 5: silly little graphic that they stole from another artist. The

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Speaker 5: New York Times reported quote mister Bovino said he had

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Speaker 5: a master plan that was in motion before his exile

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Speaker 5: back to El Centro. It would have neutraled protesters, he said,

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Speaker 5: and made it possible to deport one hundred million people.

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Speaker 5: That as a goal that the Department of Home and

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Speaker 5: Security has widely promoted. If it sounds extreme, it's because

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Speaker 5: it's nearly ten times the estimated number of undocumented people

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Speaker 5: in the country. It's also more than a quarter of

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Speaker 5: the entire US population.

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Speaker 2: Unquote. Yep.

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Speaker 5: Gregory is also quoted in this piece of saying, I

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Speaker 5: wish I'd caught even more illegal aliens. I mean, we

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Speaker 5: went as hard as we could, but there's always a

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Speaker 5: creative and innovative solution to catching more unquote God, would

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Speaker 5: have been nice for a journalist to follow up on

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Speaker 5: what he meant by that.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, mm hmm. I want to talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit about that one hundred million number, because sure there

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Speaker 2: was a New York Times report where Trump said in

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Speaker 2: one meeting to you the twenty twenty four campaign, mister

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Speaker 2: Trump said that if it was up to mister Miller,

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Speaker 2: there would only be one hundred million people in this

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Speaker 2: country and they would all look like mister Miller.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, I mean that's he's not lying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and he he. I guess has the

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Speaker 2: numbers reversed in that in that the Bovino one is

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Speaker 2: to port one hundred billion people, which is the one

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Speaker 2: that's been floating around in sort of like right wind

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Speaker 2: circles more and this one was that there's only one

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Speaker 2: hundred million left.

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Speaker 5: But it's completely disconnected from reality and like the economic

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Speaker 5: reasons for why, Yeah, these deportations are even something disconnected

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Speaker 5: from the economic reasons behind this sort of immigration enforcement. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: there's just no logistical capacity.

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Speaker 2: No, they're like it's it's I mean, yeah, it would

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Speaker 2: be one of the largest ethnic cleansings we've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's a thing that like people like Miller

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Speaker 2: and the Bovino want. This is kind of what we've

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Speaker 2: seen a lot in trumpminstration between the people who actually

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Speaker 2: want the economy to work and the people who have

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Speaker 2: like some other ideological goal. Yeah, because there's the people

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Speaker 2: who just want the white ethno state, right, and that's

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Speaker 2: sort of the Bovino like Miller wing. And then there's

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Speaker 2: everyone else like Scott best Ning, like the Treasury people

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Speaker 2: who were like, holy shit, yeah we want we want

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Speaker 2: there that we want that we we we need the

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Speaker 2: permanently subjucated immigant under class. You can't deport one hundred

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Speaker 2: and well that's just wouldn't even be the immigrant under class, right.

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Speaker 2: This is this is like most of the non white

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Speaker 2: people in the US, right, Who who they're talking about deporting?

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Speaker 2: Who are just you know, people here like me? And obviously,

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Speaker 2: like we don't know if Bavino's just lying about this,

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Speaker 2: because who knows it's Bovino.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, what this master plan actually looks like or

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Speaker 5: what it included also not expounded upon, something that the

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Speaker 5: journalists at least did not get an answer out of

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Speaker 5: that was then reported. No, it's unclear, but during Bavino's

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Speaker 5: like rain at Border Patrol, this number was something that

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Speaker 5: d just mentioned as a gold multiple times. For an example,

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Speaker 5: earlier this month, Louisiana Senator John Kennedy was questioning David J. Bier,

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Speaker 5: director of Immigration Studies at the Cato Institute, about his

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Speaker 5: criticism of DHS, and Senator Kennedy read a quote from

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Speaker 5: Beer's social media.

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Speaker 9: They referring to Republicans think they control their way into

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Speaker 9: US accepting ethnic cleansing. End quote your your words, not mind?

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Speaker 10: Did I read that correctly? That was in regard to

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Speaker 10: post about advocating one hundred million deportations. That is what

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Speaker 10: DHS has tweeted from their own account, one hundred million deprivy.

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Speaker 10: That would be ethnic cleansing. You would be learning one

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Speaker 10: third of the country. So yes, there are people, we

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Speaker 10: got homeland security.

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Speaker 9: I think this was hyperbolic. Give me thirty more seconds.

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Speaker 10: I think advocating one hundred million viations and having fun.

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Speaker 1: On February he really thought he ate with that one.

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Speaker 3: It was really he was really thinking he was going

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Speaker 3: to dine out on that.

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Speaker 2: Huh wow, total lother. What is rattling around in your

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Speaker 2: skull that you listen to that and think you want, like,

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Speaker 2: what is happening here?

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Speaker 3: God, you're having fun having fun with that? Huh okay.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of the Department of Homeland Security, there is a

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Speaker 5: new big boss in town. Former Senator Mark Wayne Mullen

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Speaker 5: has been sworn in as the new DHS Secretary. During

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Speaker 5: his confirmation hearings, Mullen said he regrets calling Alex pretty

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Speaker 5: a quote deranged individual who came to cause Max damage.

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Speaker 9: Those words probably should have been retracted. I shouldn't have

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Speaker 9: said that, and Secretary, I wouldn't. The investigation is ongoing

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Speaker 9: and there is. Like I said, there's sometimes going to

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Speaker 9: make mistake, and I own it that one. I went

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Speaker 9: out there too fast. I was responding immediately without the facts.

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Speaker 9: That's my fault. That won't happen as secretary. So you

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Speaker 9: regret that statement, I already said that, yes, sir. Would

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Speaker 9: you want to apologize to the family of Alex pretty Well, Sir?

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Speaker 3: I just said I regret those statements.

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Speaker 9: Is that the same as an apology. I haven't seen

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Speaker 9: the investigation. We'll let the investigation go through, and if

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Speaker 9: I'm proven wrong, then I will absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Is that the same as an apology? Oh god, man,

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Speaker 3: just speak like a person. We got to bring mister

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Speaker 3: Rogers in here to tell you what an apology is.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Brones.

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Speaker 1: I also, there's a lot of discourse about his name

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Speaker 1: being Mark Wayne, and you can't tell me that guy

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Speaker 1: doesn't look like a Mark Wayne.

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Speaker 3: He looks like a Mark Wayne.

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Speaker 2: He looks like a Mark Wayne.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Jesus Christ. Just say sorry, dude.

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Speaker 5: Later on in this same hearing, Mullen defended the actions

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Speaker 5: of the officer who killed Renee Good, saying, quote, it's

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Speaker 5: very clear that an officer had to make a split

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Speaker 5: decision in that case. Throughout these lyrics, Mullen reiterated that

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Speaker 5: he wants to keep the agency out of the news. Quote,

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Speaker 5: my goal in six months is that we are not

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Speaker 5: in the lead story every single day. When questioned about

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Speaker 5: what ICE reforms he would be willing to put into law,

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Speaker 5: Mullen said that a quote unquote better approach would be

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Speaker 5: working with local municipalities.

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Speaker 9: I would love to see ICE become a transport more

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Speaker 9: than the front line. If we get back, if we

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Speaker 9: can get back into just simply working with law enforcement,

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Speaker 9: we're going to them, and we're picking up these criminals

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Speaker 9: from their jail one, we're going to reimburse them for

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Speaker 9: having the person there and have partnership is violent important.

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Speaker 9: I don't think there needs to be a wall to

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Speaker 9: change that. I think I can work within what is there.

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Speaker 9: But there's an approach that can happen, but we've got

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Speaker 9: to have partners.

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Speaker 5: What he's trying to do here is essentially blame ICE

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Speaker 5: overreach on sanctuary city policies, saying that ICE would need

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Speaker 5: to be in all these places being on the ground

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Speaker 5: if sanctuary cities would just cooperate with ICE for removal operations.

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Speaker 5: In response to a question about ICE and cbp illegally

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Speaker 5: entering people's homes, Mullen said, quote, we will not enter

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Speaker 5: a home or a place of business without a judicial

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Speaker 5: warrant unless we're pursuing an individual that runs into a

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Speaker 5: place of business or residence or a house unquote. If

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Speaker 5: this is true, this definitely is a partial movement still

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Speaker 5: with this exception, but a partial movement from the so

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Speaker 5: called administrative warrants which became popular under Christine Nome, which

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Speaker 5: big if like it, I think, as like James has

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Speaker 5: said before, I think there is like that the wind

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Speaker 5: is changing a little bit, but I mean it could

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Speaker 5: very easily change back the other way it is. It

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Speaker 5: is simply too soon to say. And obviously none of

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Speaker 5: these things will be like satisfactory. ICE should not exist

847
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Speaker 5: as an agency, But it is interesting to see the

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Speaker 5: Trump administration slowly adjust towards pressure being put on ICE

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Speaker 5: from the public. At Mullins swearing in ceremony, Trump said, quote,

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Speaker 5: generally speaking, Mark Wayne would be very much in favor

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Speaker 5: of what I'm in favor of.

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Speaker 4: He might be worse.

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Speaker 2: He might be worse than me. Oh no, So.

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Speaker 7: Generally speaking, I think I can answer that Mark Wayne

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Speaker 7: would be very much in favor of what I'm in

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Speaker 7: favor of. Would you say that's right, Mark, I can't

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Speaker 7: think of too many things. He might be worse, he

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Speaker 7: might be worse than me. That's my look at his

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Speaker 7: wife to say that's right. But uh so, yeah, he's

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Speaker 7: going to be great.

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Speaker 5: So we'll see, we'll see what that turns out to be.

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Speaker 5: Great stuff, great stuff.

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Speaker 1: These people are so bizarre, like they can't talk. They

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Speaker 1: sound ridiculous, nightmare that that's my only take.

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Speaker 2: They can't do nor they can't human.

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Speaker 11: in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.