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Speaker 1: there's any coach in the NFL that needs a win
Speaker 1: more than Urban Meyer does this weekend. The Jags coach
Speaker 1: hasn't exactly been getting the right kind of headlines. In
Speaker 1: his first NFL Stint got nailed for violating practice rules.
Speaker 1: He brought in Tim Tebow for a tryout that was
Speaker 1: a failed experiment, brought in a strength and conditioning coach
Speaker 1: with a checkered past. There's a report out that maybe
Speaker 1: he was rubbing people the wrong way inside the organization
Speaker 1: that his team got blown out by the Texans, and
Speaker 1: no wonder Urban's name came up when USC fired its
Speaker 1: head coach Clay Helton. Urban said, no chance that he
Speaker 1: would be interested. There's no reason not to believe him.
Speaker 1: But the fact that everyone assumed he'd be interested says
Speaker 1: a lot. Because people don't have a lot of faith
Speaker 1: that urban Meyer will be able to replicate his college
Speaker 1: success in the pros and mainly because urban Meyer doesn't
Speaker 1: appear to have a lot of patients. He better find
Speaker 1: it because the Jags don't seem to be close to
Speaker 1: becoming a winning team anytime soon. And that is the
Speaker 1: hardest part I talked about the transition. It's one thing
Speaker 1: to go from being a successful college coach to then
Speaker 1: going and being a successful pro coach, because the chances
Speaker 1: are you're getting the job because they're desperate to find
Speaker 1: somebody and they're willing to overpay. I mean the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Nick Saban had success at LSU, Steve Spurrier had success
Speaker 1: at Florida. Washington rolled out the red carpet the Jags.
Speaker 1: Let's see, let's make a run at urban Meyer. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to give him a lot of money the
Speaker 1: Raiders to get John Gruden out of the broadcast booth.
Speaker 1: But you need a couple of successful drafts, and right
Speaker 1: now you've got Trevor Lawrence and we're going to see
Speaker 1: if they're able to build upon that right now. But
Speaker 1: also you're not You don't lose. You don't lose this
Speaker 1: time of the year. Trevor Lawrence doesn't lose this time
Speaker 1: of the year. Urban may lose late, maybe loses in December,
Speaker 1: but he's not losing that many games. I don't care
Speaker 1: how successful you are. It's not the winning, it's the losing.
Speaker 1: You know you can win ten games, it's the one
Speaker 1: loss of the two losses that eat away at you. Now,
Speaker 1: these coaches expect to win. Trevor Lawrence expects to win.
Speaker 1: He's never lost a regular season game until last week
Speaker 1: against the Texans. His losses in high school were in
Speaker 1: the postseason, and his losses at Clemson were in the
Speaker 1: postseason as well. Urban doesn't lose regular season games. He's
Speaker 1: going to have to get used to losing ten games
Speaker 1: at the minimum. I mean, imagine that for a guy
Speaker 1: who doesn't have patience, and you know he's had total autonomy.
Speaker 1: You control everything, And now you go in and you're
Speaker 1: trying to control and you can't, and then it starts
Speaker 1: to spiral out of control, and then you know, you
Speaker 1: get short with people. Hey, this isn't the way it's
Speaker 1: supposed to happen. We're supposed to win. And now you
Speaker 1: get national TV criticism because NFL coverage is different than
Speaker 1: Big ten coverage. Everybody wants to talk about, Hey, look
Speaker 1: what's going on with Urban? Hey you interested in USC?
Speaker 1: Urban decides that apparently he doesn't want to talk to
Speaker 1: the Denver media. They have Denver coming up this weekend.
Speaker 1: They're a home underdog to Denver. You can't do that
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. You can not in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: it starts to eat away at you. And then you go,
Speaker 1: what am I thinking? I'm going to go back to
Speaker 1: college as Steve Spurrier did, as Nick Saban did, and
Speaker 1: is Urban going to go back to college? That's why
Speaker 1: I think for a guy who's not interested in anything
Speaker 1: to do with USC, apparently his name came up by everybody.
Speaker 1: First name that came up Urban Meyer. Now subsequently we've
Speaker 1: heard other names. I gave you James Franklin yesterday and
Speaker 1: Bob Stoop's name came up, Matt Campbell came up from
Speaker 1: Iowa State. You know, so there's names that are going
Speaker 1: to be out there, but a lot of these coaches
Speaker 1: are going to use this to get a pay raise.
Speaker 1: Urban's got a great job. You know, he wanted to
Speaker 1: come back. He had the number one pick in the draft.
Speaker 1: The reason why he's coming back he had Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: They're waiting for him, a once in a generation quarterback.
Speaker 1: But this is all about the staff that you build,
Speaker 1: the infrastructure you have, and that's what's going to be
Speaker 1: interesting to watch with Urban because you don't you don't
Speaker 1: want to get used to losing, but you better get
Speaker 1: used to losing, certainly this year. Yeah, Paul, you want
Speaker 1: to play the guess how many regular season losses Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer had in his seven years at Ohio State game?
Speaker 1: In seven seasons at Ohio State, how many regular season
Speaker 1: losses did he have? Seven? That's correct? One a year, yeah,
Speaker 1: and one of the years he had done Yeah. How
Speaker 1: long does it take for him to get seven losses
Speaker 1: this year? By thanksgivings? Yeah? What's seven weeks today? Let's
Speaker 1: they have a bye. They're they're going to win. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're going to win a couple of games, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think they're underdogs in every game, but they will.
Speaker 1: It's like the Texans, they're bad, but it just it's
Speaker 1: really hard to go undefeated and really hard to go
Speaker 1: winless in the NFL. But if you if you have
Speaker 1: that great draft class in college, you can have a
Speaker 1: great recruiting class and that can change your fortunes. But
Speaker 1: he's so used to having the best talent at Florida
Speaker 1: and certainly at Ohio State. You know, the coaching he
Speaker 1: did prior to that, you know, that's where we didn't
Speaker 1: know him. He wasn't on the radar as much. And
Speaker 1: the fact that he stopped through Notre Dame and wanted
Speaker 1: to have from what I'm told, he wanted to have
Speaker 1: the same kind of recruiting windows that Lou Holtz ad
Speaker 1: and they said, no, we're not going to allow you
Speaker 1: to have two players that we can get in who
Speaker 1: shouldn't be getting into Notre Dame. And he just kept
Speaker 1: driving down to Florida. That was it. Urban would have
Speaker 1: been at Notre Dame all right eight seven seven three
Speaker 1: d P show email address DP at dan Patrick dot com,
Speaker 1: Twitter handle at DP show Here's Urban. Yesterday, when asked
Speaker 1: about the possibility of USC, you sip from the get
Speaker 1: go with this job with the kind of your dream
Speaker 1: job as a right scenario. Unfortunately for you, some rumors
Speaker 1: came out yesterday and connecting you to the USC job.
Speaker 1: I just just want to give you doctunity to refute it,
Speaker 1: so there's no chance that I'm here and committed to
Speaker 1: try to build an organization. Okay, First of all, I
Speaker 1: think i'd phrase the question a little bit more manly.
Speaker 1: Not an opportunity to refute it, how about an opportunity
Speaker 1: to comment? Yes, and actually if you go right back
Speaker 1: before that he goes. Unfortunately for you, your name came
Speaker 1: up in rumors. What do you mean? Unfortunately, it should
Speaker 1: be flattered that his name was the first one. Unfortunately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Yeah, not exactly an interrogation there,
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to give you an opportunity
Speaker 1: to refute, to refute that, of course. And yes, mclovin,
Speaker 1: I mean it is pretty crazy. One game into his
Speaker 1: NFL career and he's already been a rumored for the places. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's the timing of the firing at USC,
Speaker 1: because you're not used to this, and you're going, okay,
Speaker 1: September firing at a big programs. That's why I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: why would they fire him unless they knew? And you know,
Speaker 1: Eric B. Enemy's name came up yesterday the Kents City
Speaker 1: Chiefs offensive coordinator, and you know, while he said, hey,
Speaker 1: that's one of the jobs that I would take in college,
Speaker 1: I think he still wants to be an NFL coach.
Speaker 1: But when can you get Eric B. Enemy. Let's say
Speaker 1: USC says, hey, Eric B. Enemy, who's interested. We'll hire you,
Speaker 1: but you have to leave now. I don't want you
Speaker 1: to be waiting until February, and you'd have to wait
Speaker 1: for Eric B. Enemy until February. And I think that's
Speaker 1: another interesting part of this is when do you get
Speaker 1: the coach that you want? Because you've opened it up
Speaker 1: and everybody knows USC has an opening now, But when
Speaker 1: do you get to take advantage of that and be
Speaker 1: able to hire somebody. It's going to be a while.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's something you got a factor
Speaker 1: in as well. Who were you getting and when are
Speaker 1: you getting them? I don't know if somebody's going to
Speaker 1: ask James Franklin based off what I said yesterday. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was available after our show yesterday,
Speaker 1: but I'd be curious what he would say about that,
Speaker 1: because his response that we played yesterday was not really
Speaker 1: a denial, kind of a non denial denial. Yeah, McLevin.
Speaker 1: There's nothing dumber than the fact that the assistant coaches
Speaker 1: on the Super Bowl teams can't get hired. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they've changed the rules, but those are supposedly
Speaker 1: the best assistant coaches and they never get the job
Speaker 1: because the guys who are out of the playoffs do.
Speaker 1: But I think that they change that or tweaked that
Speaker 1: a little bit because I know that that had been
Speaker 1: a big issue and it was unfair to somebody who
Speaker 1: was the more success you had, the less likely it
Speaker 1: was you were going to get hired because you were
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Speaker 1: from now, Yes, Polly. About a year ago, the NFL
Speaker 1: approved a change to the NFL's hiring cycle. Assistant coaches
Speaker 1: would be allowed to take a promotion elsewhere or interview
Speaker 1: without getting permission from their employer. So it gives you
Speaker 1: a little more wiggle room, but it's still a kind
Speaker 1: of a crapshoot. What else do you have in clubbing? Well,
Speaker 1: I have a poll question. If you're Urban Meyer and
Speaker 1: you've got access to a time machine, do you go
Speaker 1: back and not take the Jags job? Do you go
Speaker 1: back and not leave Ohio State? Or do you go
Speaker 1: back and as a fun one, do you start Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow over Dwayne Haskin. Although Haskins was pretty good too,
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. They had a pretty good one and
Speaker 1: done year. It's amazing that he beat out Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: a time machine poll question. Well, I think health wise
Speaker 1: that that helped the decision to step down at Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I think Urban needed to um Man. There's there's only
Speaker 1: a couple of great jobs in college football, like truly
Speaker 1: great jobs. I heard Bill Plashky the Only Times columnists
Speaker 1: yesterday on around the Horn. He said, USC is one
Speaker 1: of the top three programs or top three jobs, and
Speaker 1: I went, no, it's not. No, that's the problem with
Speaker 1: you know, these guys who were in their fifties, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know student body right and all the Heisman trophies,
Speaker 1: And kids nowadays don't care. They don't care about all
Speaker 1: these Heisman trophies. They want to know who's the coach?
Speaker 1: Can I play? And can I play on Sunday? What
Speaker 1: kind of style? What do we have? Like, you're eighteen
Speaker 1: years of age, what do you know? What do you
Speaker 1: know about USC? What do you care about USC? If
Speaker 1: I said, hey, what do you know about USC? And
Speaker 1: what do you know about Oregon? Oh? Man, Oregon's got
Speaker 1: those great uniforms. Have you been around an eighteen year old?
Speaker 1: Because I've had four go through my family here. You
Speaker 1: know they're now older. But when they're eighteen and you
Speaker 1: have a conversation with them, like what do you like?
Speaker 1: What do you want to do? They're eighteen, they're not fifty.
Speaker 1: Where you go, yeah, oh my god, USC? I love it? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw it at its peak. These kids nowadays, they
Speaker 1: may look at Coastal Carolina and go man, I love
Speaker 1: I love the colors, Matt. I mean, that's what you
Speaker 1: have to understand. And it's hard to understand that because
Speaker 1: you're going. Of course, you want to go play, you
Speaker 1: want to play there. What in your lifetime or in
Speaker 1: the last ten years, what is it about USC that
Speaker 1: you'd go, Yep, that's where I want to be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like the last star player that really crossed over at
Speaker 1: USC football has got to be Reggie Bush right where
Speaker 1: he was a household name going into his junior year
Speaker 1: and up for the Heisman, great highlights, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush graduate left USC in two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: That's sixteen years ago. So if you're seventeen, you were
Speaker 1: one when he was a star there and unless your parents,
Speaker 1: but then you don't listen to your parents, and when
Speaker 1: your parents go, you know, you need to go to USC.
Speaker 1: Like USC is losing some marquee quarterback or well, you know,
Speaker 1: Southern California. These are more key quarterbacks who are playing
Speaker 1: at Clemson in Alabama. That never happened. Sean Salisbury, you
Speaker 1: played at USC. He's going to join us coming up
Speaker 1: next hour. He's agitated about this because I agree with
Speaker 1: what he's been saying these kids nowadays, Hey, it's on
Speaker 1: TikTok and before you go now that, I mean, these
Speaker 1: kids are aware of other things name, image and likeness.
Speaker 1: Oh you can take advantage of Southern California, can you? Like? Okay?
Speaker 1: It seems like when you get to the a city
Speaker 1: where the school is the only thing, that's when you
Speaker 1: take advantage of name, image, and likeness Southern California, USC UCLA.
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, yeah, I gotta wait in line for
Speaker 1: all the other guys who are getting benefits. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I have Lebron here, Anthony Davis, Cody Bellinger.
Speaker 1: You're not going to get to the USC quarterback until
Speaker 1: one hundred. Yeah, it's I watch a highlight this morning,
Speaker 1: the Florida Alabama rivalry in two thousand and nine. Florida
Speaker 1: was the dominant team. They're like, Alabama shocked Florida, like
Speaker 1: made a statement if changes, doesn't it. What do you
Speaker 1: think of my quarterback at Florida, the kid Anthony Richardson. Yes,
Speaker 1: well he's not starting yet, I know, but I'm fascinated
Speaker 1: by him. Who does he remind you of? Like if
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts played quarterback. He's he's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: He's like six to five about you know, two forty
Speaker 1: and you're just going and that's a quarterback. He's listen
Speaker 1: at six four two thirty eight and I don't think
Speaker 1: he's only two thirty eight. Yeah, he's he's a Really
Speaker 1: he was doing backflips prior to the game last week.
Speaker 1: I mean not that that you want that from your quarterback,
Speaker 1: but I'm just I was. I was watching the highlights
Speaker 1: and they go, oh, boy, get ready for this whatever
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Speaker 1: Night America. Chris, thanks for joining us. I know that
Speaker 1: you were at Florida, spent your college days at Florida.
Speaker 1: Were you recruited by West those teams back then? I was.
Speaker 1: I got recruited by USC and flew out there knowing
Speaker 1: there was no way I was leaving Florida at eighteen
Speaker 1: years old and flying and go in LA. But somebody
Speaker 1: offers you a free trip to Los Angeles. You've never
Speaker 1: been before. I've never even been on an airplane by
Speaker 1: the time I got my first recruiting trip to Florida State,
Speaker 1: and I can remember just sitting there staring out the window,
Speaker 1: like this is the most incredible thing ever. But here's
Speaker 1: my recruiting trip Anthony Munos took me to a Lakers game.
Speaker 1: They gave him. They gave him two hundred bucks to
Speaker 1: take me out on the town. He takes me to
Speaker 1: halftime the Lakers game, goes at this game's kind of boring,
Speaker 1: Let's get out of here, like, oh, okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go party in La All right, let's go do this,
Speaker 1: driving me back to the hotel, hands me twenty bucks
Speaker 1: to get a cheese barker and says, hey, it's been
Speaker 1: a great time. Hope you come here. It takes the
Speaker 1: other one hundred eighty bucks and pockets as sucker and
Speaker 1: goes home. But as part of the trip, I got
Speaker 1: to watch O. J. Simpson play tennis. They turned me
Speaker 1: to his house. I got to see the Heisman trophy.
Speaker 1: I got to set out in a little chair and
Speaker 1: I think it was his agent's house while they played tennis.
Speaker 1: And that was that was a big part of my
Speaker 1: recruiting trip. We were talking about Urban Meyer. You know
Speaker 1: that that you can get a recruiting class in college
Speaker 1: and it can change you know, your your your program.
Speaker 1: He can't really do that, and uh, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can get used to losing. So it
Speaker 1: doesn't eat away you would as much. But you know,
Speaker 1: that whole college experience of going from Ohio State where
Speaker 1: he lost seven regular season games, he might lose seven
Speaker 1: by Thanksgiving. What advice would you give Urban to sort
Speaker 1: of not accept losing but somehow tolerate losing for a
Speaker 1: little while so it doesn't eat him up. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a really good point that you control the whole
Speaker 1: process when you're college football. If you have bad players
Speaker 1: at your own fall right, you didn't go recruit the
Speaker 1: best players that are out there. It's a humbling experience,
Speaker 1: you know, either one way or the other. At Florida
Speaker 1: my junior year, we switched coaches and we went oh
Speaker 1: ten and one, And I'll never forget that experience as
Speaker 1: long as I lived, just because it was like every
Speaker 1: time you went into one of these big lecture halls
Speaker 1: that had four or five hundred people in it, and
Speaker 1: you would inevitably there would be some joke made about
Speaker 1: the football team. And I never really experienced that. You know,
Speaker 1: in high school we were always good. We started off
Speaker 1: pretty good at Florida, and when you were oh ten
Speaker 1: and one, and I always thought that alone I could
Speaker 1: win one game. You know, just just like, go on,
Speaker 1: surely I can make enough players to win one game
Speaker 1: in a season, and it just was so insane to
Speaker 1: go through that. And for Urban, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: ever had a losing season in college. I had him
Speaker 1: on a show once and I looked, I remember, like,
Speaker 1: I think it's seventeen years, he's never had a losing year.
Speaker 1: And sitting on the sideline the other day watching what
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the worst team in football kind
Speaker 1: of eat is a bunch alive over there. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any way to get used to that. I
Speaker 1: don't and I'm sure he was flattered and when some
Speaker 1: of the USC rumors were starting to kick around out there,
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's him either. You know, I
Speaker 1: think he'll stay the course. He's gonna be fine. He's
Speaker 1: a good coach. But the other thing is you may
Speaker 1: not be able to quite work NFL players the way
Speaker 1: that you could just sort of work Tim Tebow in
Speaker 1: that crowd. The only guy that I really ever saw
Speaker 1: and get away with that was Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 1: when he first went to Dallas, they said those were
Speaker 1: among the hardest practices in the history of the National
Speaker 1: Football and of course when they went one game I
Speaker 1: think their first year, and then after that it was
Speaker 1: game on. Yeah, I just don't know. You can see
Speaker 1: every loss on Urban's face, and there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of lossuits, but it just feels like you it's going
Speaker 1: to eat you up, like you know Saban when he
Speaker 1: went to the Dolphins or Spurrier when he went to Washington.
Speaker 1: You know, they were like, I can't control this. I
Speaker 1: don't like this. I'm going back to college. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to say that Urban pulls the rip cord
Speaker 1: after one year. But I don't see him coaching the
Speaker 1: entire contract there because I just don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's in his DNA. Well. You know the other thing
Speaker 1: about Urban is he did walk away from it at
Speaker 1: one point, right, and I'm not so sure if it
Speaker 1: was him or his family or the pressure. And even
Speaker 1: in broadcasting, you know, I mean, would I do this
Speaker 1: stuff with GFF now? And I can remember when I
Speaker 1: first started doing this. If I had one newspaper article
Speaker 1: from the San Diego Times or whatever the newspaper is
Speaker 1: out there, that was like goold, right, I could all
Speaker 1: the whole broadcast around that one article. Because it was
Speaker 1: before the Internet, you didn't have the information. Now I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't study all of the stuff that has put
Speaker 1: in front of me. If I had a month as
Speaker 1: it'd get ready for one of these games. So there's
Speaker 1: this frustrating feeling of you're never finished. You know, you're
Speaker 1: never ready, You're never quite ready for the game. And
Speaker 1: for somebody who's won as much as urban as one,
Speaker 1: when he loses, we already know that about his personality.
Speaker 1: He takes that on himself. He internalized his staff. So
Speaker 1: he's going to feel like he's not doing enough for
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars to win football games. And you just
Speaker 1: worry about somebody who has never lost. I mean, he
Speaker 1: has never lost during the course of his career. How
Speaker 1: that will impact him because we did see him walk
Speaker 1: away once he's Chris Collinsworth, NBC Sunday Night Football will
Speaker 1: be the Ravens and the Chiefs. I was saying this
Speaker 1: early well on Monday, that I could put together a
Speaker 1: highlight reel of Lamar Jackson of all the incredible things
Speaker 1: he did in that first game. But I could also
Speaker 1: put together highlight reel of all the negative things, and
Speaker 1: it's only one game. Like there was a like a
Speaker 1: Brett Farveyan type feel too. I can keep us in
Speaker 1: the game, and I can keep you in the game.
Speaker 1: After watching you know, the highlights or the game footage,
Speaker 1: what do you take away from what Lamar Jackson is
Speaker 1: trying to do or needs to do. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: unfair And in particular, one thing you take away from
Speaker 1: almost all his tape is that when the game's really
Speaker 1: on the line, that read option is no longer an option, right.
Speaker 1: He wants that ball in his hands like they almost
Speaker 1: bumbled one because the running back saw the read just
Speaker 1: like he did and knew that ball was his. He
Speaker 1: saw that guy just sitting there crashing down inside. But
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. Lamar was going to take it on
Speaker 1: his hands. One of the things I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: about during the broadcast is that Lamar, I think when
Speaker 1: he has more space to work with, is even better.
Speaker 1: I think of Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson will drop eleven
Speaker 1: yards deep into the backfield and when he steps up,
Speaker 1: that forces the angle of those defensive linemen to be
Speaker 1: much deeper. So what was happening in the game the
Speaker 1: other day he would step up. I mean, he would
Speaker 1: only take a yard or two drop after the shotgun staff,
Speaker 1: and he would be at about seven yards maybe six yards,
Speaker 1: And so those ends of the raiders were just crashing
Speaker 1: almost horizontally down on him. And also impacting him was
Speaker 1: the rush up the middle. But if he were to
Speaker 1: go to a little bit more, which he did in
Speaker 1: this game, sum to about a ten or eleven yard depth,
Speaker 1: and the angles of those pass rushing ends becomes much
Speaker 1: more vertical. Now there are ten yards deep with him.
Speaker 1: When he steps up in between that, there's only two
Speaker 1: defensive tackles in there. There's not two defensive tackles anywhere
Speaker 1: in the land. They're going to slow that kid down
Speaker 1: when he starts stepping up into that space. So to me,
Speaker 1: if I were coaching him, I would try to create
Speaker 1: as much space around him, which would meet a much
Speaker 1: more vertical drop and a deeper drop than what he's
Speaker 1: doing right now. What about an empty backfield? Why not
Speaker 1: put somebody else in another alignment or another wide receiver
Speaker 1: and just get rid of the running back. They do
Speaker 1: some of that, and it's a really good point, and
Speaker 1: it is successful and it does work. The problem is
Speaker 1: they're playing seventeen games now, and as great as Lamar is,
Speaker 1: I still think you want him picking spots. I still
Speaker 1: think that's why Justin Fields is probably really well served
Speaker 1: playing at least some of this season behind Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton was playing Aaron donaldal and he knew he
Speaker 1: had to get that ball out of his hands in
Speaker 1: two seconds. His average time to release against Aaron Donald
Speaker 1: was two point at oh eight seconds. Now, to give
Speaker 1: you some perspective, the fastest in the league last year
Speaker 1: was Ben Roethlisberger about two point two. So he was
Speaker 1: he knew what he had to get done. But until
Speaker 1: you watch or play against an Aaron Donald, you don't
Speaker 1: understand how fast that ball has to come out of
Speaker 1: your hands. And so and I think in the same way,
Speaker 1: Lamar is a guy that you want to be able
Speaker 1: to control the rush, and you want to be able
Speaker 1: to control when you're running the football. You don't want
Speaker 1: to be just taking off in seventeen games a year
Speaker 1: and running ten to twelve times a game, you're just
Speaker 1: not going to hold up. And any chance the Ravens
Speaker 1: have to win a Super Bowl, obviously he's built around Lamar.
Speaker 1: What did you take away from the rams that you
Speaker 1: think is going to be sustainable. Man, I like Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford Dan I went back and so I didn't. We
Speaker 1: don't do that many Lions games. It would just doubled
Speaker 1: over the course of every many years now. And I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get ready for this game. And it was
Speaker 1: about a month before the game. I'm just gonna watch
Speaker 1: all Matthew Staffords throws from last year. I just I've
Speaker 1: got to get a feel. So he's played in three
Speaker 1: playoff games, he hasn't won any. They trade the world
Speaker 1: for him, they're gonna get him, So let me just
Speaker 1: watch what he does. He is really good. He is
Speaker 1: really good. To just remember at the end of this year,
Speaker 1: I came on this show very early and said he's
Speaker 1: better than I thought. And the reason is a he's
Speaker 1: got the big gun. I mean, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: But he threw some forty five yard seam routes after
Speaker 1: scrambling after the play broke down, and threw these rocket
Speaker 1: shots inside of NFL starting free safeties in the mobile field,
Speaker 1: and it got there before they did. On those digs
Speaker 1: and those crossing routes that are over the middle watch him.
Speaker 1: They didn't throw any other night, which I was really
Speaker 1: disappointed in because I wanted to show it on television.
Speaker 1: But watch him just maneuver with his eyes and he'll
Speaker 1: he'll get a guy to take one step and then
Speaker 1: he's so cocky with his arm. He'll throw that thing.
Speaker 1: He'll whistle it. And I can't tell you how many
Speaker 1: throws in a row over the middle I saw that
Speaker 1: probably missed the linebacker's hands by a foot. It's almost
Speaker 1: like he's teasing him like a bullfighter or something, and
Speaker 1: he's like this and then oh, you know, and he's
Speaker 1: got him. And so it's really interesting to me when
Speaker 1: those guys are at the high end of that and
Speaker 1: we don't see it that often, and we didn't see
Speaker 1: it that often because the team and in particular, the
Speaker 1: defenses that he had on those teams simply wasn't very good.
Speaker 1: Are you in Liker and Low? I'm in life right now.
Speaker 1: I'm in life. You know, I still think that you
Speaker 1: love guys with a proven track record of not just
Speaker 1: getting to the playoffs, the winning and coming from behind
Speaker 1: and being able to Patrick Mahomes is this unique guy.
Speaker 1: He has proven now and he proved it again the
Speaker 1: other day against Cleveland, that he can take a really
Speaker 1: bad situation and go over to the bench. You go, guys,
Speaker 1: come on, I got this. Don't worry about it. You
Speaker 1: guys just got there and run around a little bit.
Speaker 1: I'll take care of us. And he does. You know,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, the great ones have a proven
Speaker 1: track record that they do it, not just in a
Speaker 1: regular season, but in the postseason. And I may love him,
Speaker 1: but I got to see that. I know that people
Speaker 1: we love to overreact. That's why Monday's called overreaction Monday.
Speaker 1: But is there a proper what's the proper reaction to
Speaker 1: green Bay's performance against the scenes was one of those
Speaker 1: puking emojis or something. I don't know it's that was
Speaker 1: that was pretty ugly and I don't think it would
Speaker 1: have driven any of us crazy. But for what happened
Speaker 1: this offseason, you know, I mean, that was as unsettled
Speaker 1: an off season is perhaps the city of Green Bay
Speaker 1: has ever had, and people choosing sides and people, oh,
Speaker 1: let him go to Denver, or we don't care, are
Speaker 1: you crazy? You know, we're Love's not ready for this thing.
Speaker 1: You know, it just was back and forth and back
Speaker 1: and forth. And last year we clearly saw that ticked
Speaker 1: off Aaron Rodgers. He did not like the fact that
Speaker 1: they drafted Jordan love Right, he did not like that.
Speaker 1: He came into camp and he was mad. And you know, Aaron,
Speaker 1: he's really good when he's mad at the world and
Speaker 1: focused and locked in. And this year they sort of
Speaker 1: went through whatever they went through. And so even if
Speaker 1: they get beat on opening Day, you go, big deal.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, it's going to take a little while
Speaker 1: to get it going. But the fact that they got
Speaker 1: beat like that, and they got beat by a Saints
Speaker 1: team that we weren't sure was going to be any good,
Speaker 1: and by Jameis Winston who threw five touchdown passes on
Speaker 1: twenty throws. On twenty throws, he threw five touchdown passes.
Speaker 1: Now you start to go, did this impact Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent sure Aaron Rodgers gonna be fine. He's
Speaker 1: gonna bounce back, he's gonna play the way he always says.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fine. But did this somehow impact this
Speaker 1: football team in a way that is going to impact
Speaker 1: them as we go through the season. That's the part
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us though, Yet we love
Speaker 1: these list and you know a Pro Football Focus or
Speaker 1: NFL Network or ESPN, like you know, greatest players of
Speaker 1: all time. It feels like people have a problem saying
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's greatest football player of all time because he's
Speaker 1: not a great athlete like greatest resume? How do you
Speaker 1: how do you kind of define that greatest player of
Speaker 1: all time? Is it the greatest athlete who is also
Speaker 1: great at his job like Jim Brown or Lawrence Taylor
Speaker 1: or whoever you want to throw in there, but or
Speaker 1: is Tom Brady the greatest player of all time? Let
Speaker 1: me ask you this question. This is my legal training
Speaker 1: coming back. You know you are a lawyer. Well I'm
Speaker 1: not a lawyer, but I did graduate, so that that
Speaker 1: counts for something. Okay, was Bait? Was Babe Ruth a
Speaker 1: great athlete? Yes? He was? Yeah, so could Tom Brady
Speaker 1: be that same kind of great athlete? So in other words,
Speaker 1: I don't think I mean to me among the greatest
Speaker 1: athletes I have ever seen in my lifetime. As tiger Woods.
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods never gave up the lead in a sport
Speaker 1: that has built to choke. How many times if you
Speaker 1: and I played golf. And we've been through a thousand situations.
Speaker 1: We've broadcast Super Bowls, we've been at the free throw
Speaker 1: line with the game on the line. We've done we've
Speaker 1: done all that stuff, and yet there's something about holding
Speaker 1: a golf club that makes you choke. You just do it.
Speaker 1: Anybody would be lying if they said they never choked
Speaker 1: on the golf course. And this guy, for I don't
Speaker 1: know how many tournaments in a row when he had
Speaker 1: the league, never spit it up. He never gave it up.
Speaker 1: So to me, great athletes, it's as much about what
Speaker 1: you do in those moments with everything on the line.
Speaker 1: And Tom Brady, time after time after time, has just
Speaker 1: delivered on that. And now you can't even say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: it was the Patriots, it was the great teams, it
Speaker 1: was Belichick, it was whatever. It was his ability to
Speaker 1: bring that team together. They all talk about the text
Speaker 1: and the and the messages that he said before that
Speaker 1: Super Bowl to where they walked in that stadium and
Speaker 1: they didn't think they were gonna and they knew they
Speaker 1: were gonna left because they had Tom Brady at the hell.
Speaker 1: So you would say Brady's greatest football player of all time,
Speaker 1: not even close. Great to talk to you as always, Chris,
Speaker 1: and we'll be watching on Sunday Night my best of
Speaker 1: the family. Thank you, bun all right man, good thing.
Speaker 1: That's Chris Collinsworth, NBC Sunday Night Football, Al Michaels and
Speaker 1: Michelle Tafoya. Interesting USC answer. They've gone over to OJ's
Speaker 1: house to watch him play tennis. Oh Boy. Football Night
Speaker 1: in America starts at seven Eastern. Could I have been
Speaker 1: clumsier in asking the question about Tom Brady greatest football
Speaker 1: player of all time? Like it's a great athlete and
Speaker 1: then where Lawrence Taylor and Jim Brown? And then uh god,
Speaker 1: shut up? Yes, No, I think you have to do
Speaker 1: the semantics of the question, because when you say the
Speaker 1: greatest football player of all time? Is it resume? Is
Speaker 1: it ability? Is it career? But he I should have
Speaker 1: just said, who's the greatest football player of BOLLI I
Speaker 1: want to call him back. No, he's probably still listening, Sorry, Chris.
Speaker 1: I yeah, he just gave me a thumbs up. Sorry
Speaker 1: about that. Took forever. Just spit it out. Spit it out, damn.
Speaker 1: Let me prove that I know football. Let me say
Speaker 1: this to Chris collins Worth here. God, shut up. You
Speaker 1: had a bunch of good questions in there. You had
Speaker 1: a bunch of it's a great point, and it's a
Speaker 1: great point. Chris said it several times. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: but it was a bad, poorly worded question. And I
Speaker 1: can't blame Fritzie. He's not here. I gets that'll stay
Speaker 1: with me for the next two and a half hours.
Speaker 1: He asked me, Loving you look like you're poised to
Speaker 1: say something. There's no way Tom Brady's a better football
Speaker 1: player than Dion Sanders or Randy I'll just say that,
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Speaker 1: All right, we stumbled upon something there with the greatest
Speaker 1: football player of all time. And I know that Tom
Speaker 1: Brady has the greatest resume, but I think sometimes when
Speaker 1: we think about a sport, the physicality of his sport,
Speaker 1: where we go, well, it can't be Tom Brady. He's
Speaker 1: not a great athlete. And it's and it comes down
Speaker 1: to your interpretation of the question, because who's the greatest
Speaker 1: football player or who has the greatest resume, who's the
Speaker 1: best at their job? Best athletes to ever play you know,
Speaker 1: that might be Bo Jackson, don They're not the greatest
Speaker 1: football players of all t If it's resumes it's one guy,
Speaker 1: it's Tom Brady, Lawrence Taylor. I've never had that reaction
Speaker 1: to watching somebody playing person before. There was something special
Speaker 1: about that. But that was a five or six year
Speaker 1: window for l two. Jim Brown. I watched on TV
Speaker 1: growing up, and at times it felt like it wasn't
Speaker 1: fair when he got the ball. He was that much
Speaker 1: better than anybody on defense. But that was prior to
Speaker 1: you know, big time national primetime football, even the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice. I mean, those are crazy numbers, but you
Speaker 1: know he was overshadowed by Joe Montana. All Right, So
Speaker 1: how do you answer that greatest football player of all time? McLevin?
Speaker 1: Is Tom Brady the greatest football player of all time? No? Right,
Speaker 1: Because if you're on a playground and you're picking guys,
Speaker 1: you're gonna pick Jim Brown. Okay, bizarre father Brady was
Speaker 1: right there with Manning had similar numbers. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of guys in his era who are doing similar things. Okay,
Speaker 1: but in this era, if I said we're picking sides,
Speaker 1: and the first guy you're gonna take his Jim Brown. Well,
Speaker 1: that's a tricky question. But Jim Brown was so far
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the stats, he's so far ahead the
Speaker 1: rest of the game when he was playing, Like he's
Speaker 1: still average bore yards per game than anyone, you know,
Speaker 1: by thirty yards a game. He was, Babe, Ruth. He's
Speaker 1: definitely a better football player than Tom Brady, I think,
Speaker 1: but I've never seen him. Okay, but what constitutes being
Speaker 1: a better player Physically? He was doing things, running over people,
Speaker 1: running past people. I mean, he was more at Tom
Speaker 1: Brady because he's not a great athlete, and he's got
Speaker 1: this resume and he's won old of these super Bowls.
Speaker 1: Like it, it's like every third year Tom Brady goes
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. Every four years he wins the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Yeah, Seton, It's so tricky to make these
Speaker 1: comparisons because football is unique as a sport in that
Speaker 1: every player has their own very specific skill sets, right,
Speaker 1: And so how are you supposed to compare Tom Brady
Speaker 1: to Randy Moss to you know, Lawrence Taylor when they
Speaker 1: all do completely different things? Pollie, I think mclovin's Frashal
Speaker 1: is who is the best in the sport for the
Speaker 1: longest chunk of time, and Jim Brown was the best
Speaker 1: football player in the entire league. I think you'd attest
Speaker 1: Dan for his entire career wire to wire. You know,
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor had like a five year run. Earl Campbell
Speaker 1: had like a four year run. Even look at Eric
Speaker 1: Dickerson's first four years. They're insane. But it didn't last.
Speaker 1: I think Jim Brown, like, how many players, well, I
Speaker 1: know we've had players Barry Sanders went through this who
Speaker 1: get bored. Jim Brown got bored. He was so good
Speaker 1: he I think he ran for seventeen hundred yards his
Speaker 1: last year. He played nine years and then he said
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I'm gonna go to Hollywood and
Speaker 1: be an actor. Yeah, McLevin see that. A great comparison
Speaker 1: is Tom Brady. Have a Bill Russell. This thing going on,
Speaker 1: greatest winner of all time? That's fair, although Bill Russell
Speaker 1: was a great athlete and a great winner. All right,
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