WEBVTT - CZM Book Club: Nazis Don't Go To Valhalla

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<v Speaker 1>Al Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Book Club book Club book Club book Club. Hello and

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the Coolzone Media book Club rerun edition. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the Cool Zone Media book Club, the only book club.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to do the reading because I, Margaret

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<v Speaker 2>Kiljoy do it for you. And it's a rerun episode

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm on the road and terrible things are happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Not on the road specifically, but I'm on tour, and

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<v Speaker 2>also an election went badly, and so I didn't record

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<v Speaker 2>a new episode. But I thought to myself, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what episode has been a while since people heard, and

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<v Speaker 2>actually it predates Coolzone Media book Club. It's part of

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<v Speaker 2>the precursor to Coolzone Media book Club. When I would

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<v Speaker 2>just come on and read stories on it could happen here. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I would read a story called the Northern Host,

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<v Speaker 2>which is actually most people call it my no Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>in Valhalla story. And that's fine because for some weird reason,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are thinking about what the civil

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<v Speaker 2>conflict in the United States might look like, and so

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<v Speaker 2>what a good time to tell you a story about

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<v Speaker 2>the Battle of Asheville as fought by some ghosts. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>the story. Well, here's me introducing the story again because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's about to happen. I'm just this

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<v Speaker 2>is the introduction to a rerun episode. Here it goes, It's.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, I did it, Sophy, I'm done for the day, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>taking the rest off by It's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a cooler replacement for you today. Anyways, we

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<v Speaker 1>sure do.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh So, you know, normally this is a show about collapse,

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<v Speaker 3>all that good stuff, YadA, YadA YadA, but fuck it,

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<v Speaker 3>it's Halloween week. So we're we're we're we're we're making

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<v Speaker 3>sure all of our stuff has a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>an extra spooky twist. It's like when you make a

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<v Speaker 3>martini and you decide to actually put vermouth inside it,

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<v Speaker 3>as opposed to just kind of waving it nearby. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what we're doing this week, with spookiness being the vermouth

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<v Speaker 3>and mixing up our martini. Today is Margaret Kiljoy.

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<v Speaker 4>Margaret Hello, Hello, I'm a famous mixologist, so literally this

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<v Speaker 4>will be very good.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Margaret, Today, for this very special episode of it

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<v Speaker 3>could happen here on Spooky Week. You have written us, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you've written a short story, and you're going to read

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<v Speaker 3>it and and and we're all gonna enjoy it? Is

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<v Speaker 3>that is that accurate?

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<v Speaker 4>I hope at least I can. I can testify to

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<v Speaker 4>the first parts, and I hope for the last part.

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<v Speaker 3>Excellent. All right, well with without further ado or with

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<v Speaker 3>minimal further ado. Let's uh, let's let's let's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>with the stuff, with the stuff, Margaret with the stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and this is great because this is actually a

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<v Speaker 4>short story that you start reading of.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh shit, yeah, where's that link? You tasted it to me,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't have my phone on me.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let me put it in the chat here.

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<v Speaker 1>Based impressive, to say the least.

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<v Speaker 3>Based in fiction, pilled. Okay, I start reading the italics.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's the first couple paragraphs of introduction, and then

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<v Speaker 4>you're interviewing me.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, motherfuckers, let's get it started. The Northern Host

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<v Speaker 3>for all it's lingering horror and misery. The wake of

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<v Speaker 3>a war is rich terragn for a folklorist like myself.

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<v Speaker 3>More people report more supernatural experiences during times of war

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<v Speaker 3>than times of peace. Some of my peers have argued

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<v Speaker 3>the stress and shock of battle leaves our brains more

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<v Speaker 3>susceptible to mass illusion. Others claim that the veil between

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<v Speaker 3>worlds remains thin when so many are passing from life

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<v Speaker 3>to death. The Second American Civil War has been no exception.

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<v Speaker 3>Most famously, of course, soldiers from each of the three

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<v Speaker 3>armies present at the fifteen day Siege of Saint Louis

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<v Speaker 3>reported a wailing man who walked among the wounded, healing

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<v Speaker 3>some and ending the lives of others. On the Cascadian Front,

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<v Speaker 3>rebel forces spoke of black bears, who in effect stood

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<v Speaker 3>sentry for their guerrilla positions. During the White Army's occupation

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<v Speaker 3>of Washington, d C. Civilians and soldiers alike reported apparitions

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<v Speaker 3>pouring out from the Pentagon Crater every new moon. Of

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<v Speaker 3>all the various myths and legends to spring up in

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<v Speaker 3>the wake of the recent conflict, however, I find myself

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<v Speaker 3>most strongly drawn to the stories of the Northern host.

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<v Speaker 3>Never have I heard a myth recounted in such detail

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<v Speaker 3>by such a wide variety of people. My favorite telling

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<v Speaker 3>comes from Private Sarah Dollar in the Battle of Asheville.

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<v Speaker 3>This interview was recorded in the spring of twenty thirty

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<v Speaker 3>five and lightly edited for clarity with permission of the subject.

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<v Speaker 3>Note that the subject refers to the White Army by

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<v Speaker 3>pejoratives throughout these have been left intact for the historical record.

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<v Speaker 3>Could you introduce yourself and tell me what you saw.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my name is Sarah Daher. I'm thirty one years old.

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<v Speaker 4>I live in Ashville, in the Appalachian region of the

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<v Speaker 4>United States of America, on stolen Cherokee Land. My US

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<v Speaker 4>military rank was private. They made us all privates when

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<v Speaker 4>they incorporated the Irregulars into the army, but I only

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<v Speaker 4>served in the Union to fight the White Army a

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<v Speaker 4>year later. I'm one of those crazy radicals who doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>think the reconfiguration goes far enough. I'd never fired a

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<v Speaker 4>gun in my life before the Irregulars, and I hope

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<v Speaker 4>I never fire another one again. By temperament, I'm neither

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<v Speaker 4>a lover nor a fighter. I'm just your average trans

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<v Speaker 4>girl who likes Kats and hates Nazis. I fought in

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<v Speaker 4>three engagements in Weaverville, Leicester, and Asheville. I think I

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<v Speaker 4>killed two.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them.

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<v Speaker 4>I know I killed him. I saw him bleed out

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<v Speaker 4>and I saw him taken away in a black bag.

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<v Speaker 4>The other person was a man I shot in the

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<v Speaker 4>thigh during the Battle of Ashville. I didn't know you

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<v Speaker 4>could die from a bullet in the thigh, But I've

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<v Speaker 4>spent a lot of time looking at casualty records, and

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<v Speaker 4>someone who fit that man's general description died in that

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<v Speaker 4>battle from a bullet to the thigh.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that bother you? Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't know. I don't lose sleep over it,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think about it a lot. I look at

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<v Speaker 4>the docks on both of them. The first guy was

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<v Speaker 4>a true believer, a real blood and soil type. It

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't bother me that I mingled those two things for him.

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<v Speaker 4>The second man, though, I'm not so sure, he signed

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<v Speaker 4>up because his son signed up. I don't have any

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<v Speaker 4>kids myself, but I could see myself doing that. His

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<v Speaker 4>son survived the war.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you been in contact with his son?

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<v Speaker 4>No? Fuck that guy. That kid's a fucking Nazi, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how he talked his way out of

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<v Speaker 4>the tribunals.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you tell me what you saw at the Battle

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<v Speaker 3>of Asheville.

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<v Speaker 4>This was during the Fascist Spring Offensive last year. You

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<v Speaker 4>know Hitler's birthday, April twentieth. By that point, the White

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<v Speaker 4>Army was pretty much done, but they weren't about to

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<v Speaker 4>go down without doing some major symbolic damage. So there

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<v Speaker 4>were about forty of us, all irregulars, with our own commanders,

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<v Speaker 4>no army oversight. Morale was down. We felt pretty abandoned,

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<v Speaker 4>common sentiment in the South. I was on the street

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<v Speaker 4>out in front of the library, walking rounds. Downtown was

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<v Speaker 4>half rubble at that point. Only the library was standing,

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<v Speaker 4>because symbols matter and all that bullshit, So that's where

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<v Speaker 4>we were making a stand. Neither side had artillery. Really,

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<v Speaker 4>by that point, the brass had just commandeered even our

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<v Speaker 4>RPGs for the quote real fight. Air support wasn't coming,

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<v Speaker 4>not for them and not for us. Really, the Battle

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<v Speaker 4>of Asheville was like nothing to the rest of the world,

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<v Speaker 4>and we knew it. So I was doing the rounds

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<v Speaker 4>thinking about my shit luck, thinking maybe I was going

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<v Speaker 4>to die, and how so many people had died, and

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<v Speaker 4>what's another dead girl to add to the pile. I

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<v Speaker 4>was thinking about how at least this dead girls going

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<v Speaker 4>to die surrounded by or in defense of books. Then

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<v Speaker 4>I heard dogs from around the side of the building.

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<v Speaker 4>One barked loud and near, the other sort of distant

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<v Speaker 4>and echoey. I went to check it out, turned the

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<v Speaker 4>corner and there was this naked guy. He was pale

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<v Speaker 4>as hell, tall, tattooed and scarred, and like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>he was naked as the sun. I stared at him,

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<v Speaker 4>he stared at me. I got so distracted trying to

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<v Speaker 4>figure him out that it took me a moment to

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<v Speaker 4>realize there were nine others behind him, or maybe they

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<v Speaker 4>weren't there at first, I don't know. Most of them

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<v Speaker 4>were men, mostly of the tall Norse looking variety, but

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<v Speaker 4>there was a Middle Eastern man and three women, including

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<v Speaker 4>one who by my read was Latin X No dogs

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<v Speaker 4>anywhere that I could see. The man closest to me

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<v Speaker 4>he asked me something in a language I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I just kind of stared. He asked me another question

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<v Speaker 4>in another language. What I asked?

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<v Speaker 3>Who are you?

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<v Speaker 4>Who are we fighting? He asked? His accent was thick,

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<v Speaker 4>and I couldn't place it for the life of me.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I know now, but I'm sure shit didn't

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<v Speaker 4>know it then we I asked what I was due

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<v Speaker 4>back out front, because I was a century doing the

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<v Speaker 4>rounds and this sure needed reporting. What the hell was

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<v Speaker 4>I going to tell people? Who are we fighting? Where

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<v Speaker 4>are we You're in Asheville? Who are you ah the

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<v Speaker 4>American conflict, the man said behind him, others nodded. Their

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<v Speaker 4>movements were sloppy, dream like they were drunk. I later

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<v Speaker 4>realized one of them had dried blood running down from

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<v Speaker 4>her lip onto her not insubstantial belly. You're fighting the nationalists,

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<v Speaker 4>the first one said, We're here to help you. Who

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<v Speaker 4>are you, I asked this third time he actually answered,

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<v Speaker 4>my name is Bellgear.

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<v Speaker 5>We are the dead.

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<v Speaker 4>We are the ainhear from Valhalla. Every day we are

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<v Speaker 4>sent to a battle to fight, and we die. The

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<v Speaker 4>others behind him nodded, definitely drunk. Now, I know there

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<v Speaker 4>were good folks on our side who were into European paganism,

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<v Speaker 4>but you have to understand that a lot more of

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<v Speaker 4>the fashion were into that shit than anybody else. If

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<v Speaker 4>they hadn't been naked and drunk, I might have mistaken

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<v Speaker 4>them for the enemy and shot them. Valhalla, I said,

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<v Speaker 4>reciting the tiny bit. I knew that's where vikings go

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<v Speaker 4>if they die in battle, feast every day and fight

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<v Speaker 4>every night in Odin's Hall until the end of the world,

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<v Speaker 4>where you like also fight and die. But uh wolf

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<v Speaker 4>feeds the sun or something close enough, Belgar said. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>Odin only gets half the battle dead, and Viking isn't

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<v Speaker 4>a good name for us. But sure, and you're here

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<v Speaker 4>because we are to take arms alongside you, fight your

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<v Speaker 4>enemies and die today. Am I going to die today?

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<v Speaker 4>Only the seers and the gods know that. I'd been

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<v Speaker 4>calling myself a witch half my life, but honestly that

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<v Speaker 4>was mostly because I like tarot and astrology and panagrams

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<v Speaker 4>and shit. I've never been someone who took the supernatural

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<v Speaker 4>all that seriously. But nothing in the world made sense

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<v Speaker 4>like it used to. Fascists had just been driven out

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<v Speaker 4>of DC. Cascadia had not only succeeded, but was an

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<v Speaker 4>civil war of its own now. Mexico was gone and

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<v Speaker 4>replaced by self governing states of almost every stripe in

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<v Speaker 4>the political rainbow. China had backed white supremacists and other

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<v Speaker 4>nationalist types in an American civil war, and anti government

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<v Speaker 4>leftists were fighting alongside weirdos like me in the damn

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<v Speaker 4>US Army. I can't say those things were as weird

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<v Speaker 4>as naked dead don't call us vikings talking to me

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<v Speaker 4>in the street. But somehow all of that was just

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<v Speaker 4>comparably bizarre. Come let us arm ourselves and fight together.

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<v Speaker 4>You and I belgar said, So that's how I met

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<v Speaker 4>the Northern Host. Most people don't believe me, assume it

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<v Speaker 4>was just some kind of drunk wing nuts, maybe some

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<v Speaker 4>irregulars I'd never met before. But I saw what I saw,

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<v Speaker 4>and I believe it. The rest of us who survived

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<v Speaker 4>they saw it too.

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<v Speaker 3>And how did it go? Yeah? Pardon the battle? How

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<v Speaker 3>did it go?

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<v Speaker 4>We got the einherar into irregular's garb and armed them.

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<v Speaker 4>There were plenty of guns at that point in the

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<v Speaker 4>forgotten hell hole. Afront bullets not so much, but plenty

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<v Speaker 4>of guns. They were all comfortable with firearms, though one

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<v Speaker 4>fellow groused about what he wouldn't do for an axe

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<v Speaker 4>and shield, and another said what we had was fine,

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<v Speaker 4>but monofilament web guns were better than any combat shotgun.

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<v Speaker 4>To hear them, tell it. Fuck it? Why am I

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<v Speaker 4>pretending like I don't believe them. I believe them with

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<v Speaker 4>every bit of my soul, And damn what people think

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<v Speaker 4>of me for it. The Northern Host fight every night,

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<v Speaker 4>and every night there in a different time and place

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<v Speaker 4>most battles in human history were in the past, they said,

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<v Speaker 4>which sounds optimistic, doesn't it? But they said they fought

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<v Speaker 4>in every century up to the twenty fourth. Nothing happens

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<v Speaker 4>after the twenty fourth century. Ragnarok most likely the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the world, wolves eating the sun and the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>All that.

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<v Speaker 4>They stood guard out with me out front. Around midday

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<v Speaker 4>we got hit with an EMP. We knew that was coming.

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<v Speaker 4>It didn't screw us up much. We had a hardened

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<v Speaker 4>phone in the basement, and all our weapons operated just

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<v Speaker 4>as well in dumb mode as smart mode, including our

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<v Speaker 4>own EMPs. The White Army showed up, maybe a hundred men,

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<v Speaker 4>all men. That's their whole shtick. They came in on motorcycles,

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<v Speaker 4>ATVs and horses. More shtick like how fucking folksy they are.

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<v Speaker 4>We hit them with the EMPs anyway, level the field,

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<v Speaker 4>took out the ATVs. The bikes were retrofitted, no electric.

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<v Speaker 2>And a horse.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't e MP a horse. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>there was a skirmish in that war that didn't start

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<v Speaker 4>with both sides ritually knocking the other one. Back to

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<v Speaker 4>basically the twentieth century. I think the tactical EMP is

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<v Speaker 4>the reason there's anything left of this country. We took

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<v Speaker 4>a few pot shots while they were still at range,

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<v Speaker 4>but we didn't have the amo to waste on anything else.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't think we did any damage. They took up position

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<v Speaker 4>further up the hill in the ruins of the old Basilica.

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<v Speaker 4>Then we waited. We should have mined the church. That

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<v Speaker 4>old thing was blown half to shit anyway. It wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>have made the world any worse if we'd either leveled

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<v Speaker 4>it or hidden explosives throughout. But you know, ethical war

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever, don't mind churches. The other side leveled every mosque,

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<v Speaker 4>synagogue and quote heretic church they got their hands on,

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<v Speaker 4>not to mention libraries in universities, and even the goddamn

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<v Speaker 4>Statue of Liberty because they had imigrants. But we were

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<v Speaker 4>supposed to be fighting a quote ethical war. Those two

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<v Speaker 4>words don't got nothing to do with one another, and

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<v Speaker 4>everyone knows it. So they hold up in the basilica,

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<v Speaker 4>and we pulled back into the library and we had

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<v Speaker 4>one of those good old fashioned standoffs where people die

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<v Speaker 4>slowly from sniper fire and everything is awful. That's when

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<v Speaker 4>Laura got shot right in the head because we missed

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<v Speaker 4>a spot when we bulletproofed the facade. She's dead. She

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<v Speaker 4>had natural red hair, but she always died at Redder

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<v Speaker 4>and her favorite show is Buffy the Vampire Slayer and

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<v Speaker 4>she liked to drink water out of long stem glasses.

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<v Speaker 4>She was I think she was thirty seven, way past

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<v Speaker 4>drafting age. She volunteered. It was her first engagement. She

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<v Speaker 4>was only there because she loved books, had plenty of

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<v Speaker 4>time to avoid looking at her corpse while she was

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<v Speaker 4>in there with us dead. Dwight was another one of

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<v Speaker 4>my friends in the unit, one of my favorite people,

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<v Speaker 4>hands down, total weirdo, and he was all obsessed with

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<v Speaker 4>that Viking shit and dark ages in general, as parents

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<v Speaker 4>had come over from Sweden, though his dad was originally

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<v Speaker 4>from Nigeria. Dwight had one degree in medieval studies and

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<v Speaker 4>another in African history, and I can't tell you how

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<v Speaker 4>many times during basic he'd run down the details of

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<v Speaker 4>this or that ancient battle, whether in Europe or Africa.

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<v Speaker 4>If there were guns involved, he didn't care about it,

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<v Speaker 4>but if there were swords and armor or spears and shields,

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<v Speaker 4>he was all in. He started talking to the Vikings

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<v Speaker 4>first thing. He was the first person to believe them,

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<v Speaker 4>to really believe them, and his faith was contagious. While

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<v Speaker 4>we were pinned down. He asked them everything. Mostly they

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<v Speaker 4>were quiet, even taciturn, but there was one thing they

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<v Speaker 4>were very insistent on that I overheard them talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>Nazis don't go to Valhalla. But why not? Dwight asked,

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<v Speaker 4>It takes two things to go to Valhalla. The spokesperson said,

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<v Speaker 4>you have to die in battle, and you have to

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<v Speaker 4>venerate Odin. A bunch of those fuckers are Odina's, He said, no,

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<v Speaker 4>they aren't. They're nationalists, fascists, racial separatists, They're all kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of things, but they don't venerate Odin. Whatever they think,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you mean? They only know one half of Odin.

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<v Speaker 4>They know the masculine side, the heterosexual side, the Christian side.

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<v Speaker 4>They worship a bastardization of our God, a basstardization first

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<v Speaker 4>created by a nationalist Christian eight hundred years ago that's

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<v Speaker 4>only gotten further afield since our Odin practices women's magic,

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<v Speaker 4>the magic of these sexually penetrated. We also worship female

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<v Speaker 4>gods of war, and male gods of the hearth, and

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<v Speaker 4>gods who change their gender when they're bored. Nazis don't

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<v Speaker 4>understand that any of it. In life, we raided sometimes traded.

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<v Speaker 4>Other times, we also did all sorts of things that

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<v Speaker 4>won't fit your modern sensibilities, things that were I alive,

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<v Speaker 4>you might kill me for. But we're not Nazis, and

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<v Speaker 4>people who worship a Christian version of our God most

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<v Speaker 4>certainly do not go to Valhalla. It was as if

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<v Speaker 4>the man had used up every word allotted to him

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<v Speaker 4>for the day, because I don't believe a one of

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<v Speaker 4>them spoke again before the battle began in.

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<v Speaker 3>Earnest And how long was that.

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<v Speaker 4>Another hour? Maybe the sun was still right overhead when

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<v Speaker 4>the White army rushed us. It was a bullshit move,

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<v Speaker 4>rushing us one part over confidence in one part desperation.

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<v Speaker 4>If you can imagine that they knew they were losing

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<v Speaker 4>the war at that point, but they had us more

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<v Speaker 4>than two to one, and we all know the KKK

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<v Speaker 4>commanders don't give two shits about the lives of their men.

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<v Speaker 4>That's when I put a bullet in a man's leg

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<v Speaker 4>while he was in the street running. It was a

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<v Speaker 4>good shot. He was running, and I led the target

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<v Speaker 4>and everything I've been aiming for center body masks, but

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<v Speaker 4>still at least one hundred yards against a moving target.

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<v Speaker 4>I was proud of that shot at the time on

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<v Speaker 4>a technical level, even if I'm not sure I'm proud

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<v Speaker 4>of it anymore now that I know the man's name.

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<v Speaker 4>We expected the charge. What we didn't expect was the

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<v Speaker 4>ordinance that knocked the reinforced front off its hinges. But

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<v Speaker 4>that happened, and almost all the fighting happened right there

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<v Speaker 4>on the first floor among the empty shelves. The whole

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<v Speaker 4>thing felt like it lasted half an hour. I've looked

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<v Speaker 4>it up since, from the time of the first blast

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<v Speaker 4>at the time the last shot was fired, talking about

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<v Speaker 4>three minutes and twelve seconds. We thought they were going

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<v Speaker 4>to pour in through the door after they blew it

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<v Speaker 4>the fuck off. So James got in there with our

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<v Speaker 4>one functioning automatic and he took at least ten of

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<v Speaker 4>the fash down with him before someone got him in

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<v Speaker 4>the neck. It was a faint and they blew a

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<v Speaker 4>hole in the side.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the building.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, well that was going on, and that's where they

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<v Speaker 4>got in close quarters. Combat is a whole different beast,

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<v Speaker 4>a worse one, maybe maybe a better one. I go

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<v Speaker 4>back on forth on that. Sometimes instead of sleeping, I

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<v Speaker 4>think about the pros and cons of various types of

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<v Speaker 4>absolute horror. Is it better to see your death coming

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<v Speaker 4>or to get picked off without knowing it? I would

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<v Speaker 4>have thought the Vikings would expend themselves right off. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean Vikings. They were starting to sober up by that point,

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<v Speaker 4>but still they'd been drinking, and they were already dead,

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<v Speaker 4>and they were doomed to die. But they were smarter

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<v Speaker 4>than that. Never risk themselves unnecessarily. Your next assumption of

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<v Speaker 4>a comrade you know is doomed is that they'll sacrifice

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<v Speaker 4>themselves to save others. None of that either. They knew

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<v Speaker 4>they were the best trained soldiers on the feet, and

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<v Speaker 4>that in order for us to win, they had to

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<v Speaker 4>be in the fight as long as they could. They

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<v Speaker 4>were smart like that. Assholes like that. I stationed myself

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<v Speaker 4>in the back. I fancy myself more of a sniper

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<v Speaker 4>than the assaults sort, so I watched the whole thing

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<v Speaker 4>go down. I also only hit three targets out of

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and seventeen bullets I fired. But that's another story.

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<v Speaker 4>I watched us win. We took casualties of fifty percent,

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<v Speaker 4>half of those were KIA, but we defeated a force

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<v Speaker 4>twice our strength. I watched the einhear, but bayonet men

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<v Speaker 4>and shoot them. And I saw one of the Viking

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<v Speaker 4>women break a man's face apart with her fists. Soon after,

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<v Speaker 4>a bullet found her heart and she collapsed with a

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<v Speaker 4>smile on her lips. She disappeared, like literally she phased

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<v Speaker 4>out of existence. Beam me up, Scottie. We pushed them

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<v Speaker 4>back onto the pavement. And when I say we, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>honestly not being fair because I didn't do much of

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<v Speaker 4>it myself. We had them scattered and running, most of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Dwight was out there waving a pistol in one hand

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<v Speaker 4>and swinging a wooden stock right like a club in

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<v Speaker 4>the other. A Viking with a shotgun stood beside him.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the same fascy little shit killed them both,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe in the same three round burst. I tagged the

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<v Speaker 4>Fasci in his belly, and his friends helped him get away,

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<v Speaker 4>and the remaining Nazis ran. He survived his wound. Why

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<v Speaker 4>do we have so much information about the war? Does

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<v Speaker 4>it do me any good to know who I killed

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<v Speaker 4>and who I didn't?

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<v Speaker 3>And Dwight?

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<v Speaker 4>Dwight lay alone in the concrete, face down. There wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>much blood, but he was dead. Two ravens sat atop him,

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<v Speaker 4>one on each shoulder. I've never seen a raven in

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<v Speaker 4>Asheville in my life, not before, not since. There were

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<v Speaker 4>two of them, as big as people say those things are.

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<v Speaker 4>They barked and they sounded like dogs. One was loud,

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<v Speaker 4>like it was right where I was. The other was distant, echoing.

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<v Speaker 4>Then they flew away, directly up and towards the sun,

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<v Speaker 4>and I tried to watch to see where they went,

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<v Speaker 4>but you can't look directly at the sun like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I looked back down and Dwight was gone. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 4>his body was still there, but there was there was

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<v Speaker 4>something about him that was gone, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>how to tell you what it was. That was that

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<v Speaker 4>we won sort of. They didn't storm the library, which

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<v Speaker 4>I guess means we won. But sometimes I'd think I'd

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<v Speaker 4>burn every single book in that place that would bring

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<v Speaker 4>back Lare or Dwight or any of the rest of

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<v Speaker 4>my friends. The war was over at that point, even

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<v Speaker 4>if we didn't know it yet. So what did they

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<v Speaker 4>die for? I guess for symbols. Maybe symbols matter that much.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I deserted after that. Half the survivors of the Battle

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<v Speaker 4>of Asheville died less than a week later up in Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 4>And I suppose I'd be dead if i'd gone, And

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<v Speaker 4>it probably makes me a coward that I didn't. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not that I was afraid of dying. It's that I

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<v Speaker 4>was afraid of dying in battle because I believe in

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<v Speaker 4>Odin now it's hard not to believe in a god

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<v Speaker 4>without venerating him. I don't want to go to Valhalla.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to fight ever again, let alone every night.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to serve with the iron and they

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<v Speaker 4>are at the twilight of the gods sometime in the

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<v Speaker 4>twenty fifth century. If I don't want to do that,

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<v Speaker 4>then I don't want to die in battle. Dwight, though

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<v Speaker 4>I expect he's happy. I expect he dies every day

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<v Speaker 4>with a smile on his lips and meat and his belly.

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<v Speaker 4>He won't have to fight alongside the monsters of the

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<v Speaker 4>human race either, because, as I learned in Nashville, Nazis

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<v Speaker 4>don't go to Valhalla.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, that was awesome, Margaret, thank you, Yeah, thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Stan'll put a bunch of applause noise here because this

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<v Speaker 1>is not translating over.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and and and uh, an airhorn.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely an. I don't think the air horn is going

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<v Speaker 5>to be that as.

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<v Speaker 3>Nope, Garrison airhorn. Thank you, Thank you, Garrison. Margaret. How

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<v Speaker 3>how long did you write that?

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote that I believe in twenty seventeen, maybe twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, well it's not gotten less relevant.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, I uh, there's definitely some times where I've

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<v Speaker 3>wished for a platoon of vikings, yeah, to deal with

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<v Speaker 3>some shit.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well this has been it could happen here and this

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<v Speaker 3>has been spooky week. I hope you enjoyed this scary

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<v Speaker 3>story that's also relevant to our theme of collapse. Margaret,

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<v Speaker 3>you want to tell the people where they can find you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm on Twitter at Magpie Killjoy. I'm on Instagram

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<v Speaker 4>at Margaret Kiljoy. I'm on Patreon at patreon dot com

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<v Speaker 4>slash Margaret Kiljoy, where this story and many other stories

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<v Speaker 4>are available for anyone who sponsors me at a dollar

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<v Speaker 4>a month. And if you make less money than I do,

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<v Speaker 4>then just message me and I'll give you all my

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<v Speaker 4>ship for free. And I have an upcome because you've

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<v Speaker 4>asked me to plug things and I'm definitely just gonna

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<v Speaker 4>ahead and plug things Hell yeah, I have a book

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<v Speaker 4>coming out from AKA Press. It's a reissue of my

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<v Speaker 4>anarchist yutopian book A Country of Ghosts. If you like

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<v Speaker 4>my very I like writing war stories, but I specifically

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<v Speaker 4>like writing war stories that are actually sad and how

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<v Speaker 4>about how war is horrible? And so A Country of

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<v Speaker 4>Ghosts is such a book and this story will eventually.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm excited to say I just signed a contract for

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<v Speaker 4>AK Press is going to put out a short story

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<v Speaker 4>anthology of mine, which will include the story.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that sounds incredibly rad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, great publisher. Yeah, not biased at all of that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, nor towards stories of the Second American

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<v Speaker 4>Civil War with never heard of.

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<v Speaker 3>Characters I've been introduced to just today. Yes, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll check out Margaret's book Parentheses, s uh and and

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<v Speaker 3>check out this show when and it comes back someday

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<v Speaker 3>one day. You'll never know when, but you'll hear a

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<v Speaker 3>whisper on the wind, and there will be or it'll

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