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Speaker 5: Dobbs, Now, who do you think of Dobs?

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to get Evan's take on Harold Perkins Junior,

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, and there is nothing free about free agency.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you. It's uh. Things are happening around the league.

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Speaker 2: It's not. I wouldn't say this is one of the

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Speaker 2: biggest free agencies that we've seen around the league in

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Speaker 2: terms of star power. But there's a lot of activity

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Speaker 2: going on. There's a lot of trades going on. Even

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Speaker 2: the Patriots had three signings, which you know, not huge names,

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Speaker 2: but one of them intrigues me the most. And we'll

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Speaker 2: get into all of that. It's Evan, it's Paul, it's Deuce,

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Speaker 2: it's Alex in the booth with Matt somewhere, and Matt's

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Speaker 7: There he is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's get right into it. Patriots of three

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Speaker 2: free agents, Yeah, who are they and what can they

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna start with Elijah Vera Tucker. I think

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Speaker 1: that's my signing, yeah, of the day. And it goes

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Speaker 1: back to what Evan said a couple of weeks ago, saying,

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Speaker 1: let's sign a left guard. The signs that were all

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Speaker 1: pointing to that when they traded Bradbury, and I think

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Speaker 1: we're all waiting with baited breath yesterday for them to

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Speaker 1: sign that left guard. And then it happened. I don't

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Speaker 1: But I really like this signing. To me, this is

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Speaker 1: what free agency is about. There's a gamble, for sure.

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Speaker 4: He's he's been.

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Speaker 1: Injured three of his five seasons, tore both tricep tendons

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Speaker 1: his legs should be okay. But he's a top guard

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Speaker 1: if he's healthy. This is a slam dunk move at

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Speaker 1: twenty six. I always bang the drum for free agents

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Speaker 1: if it works out, it's easy to see exactly how

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Speaker 2: And I think you've got now good depth there with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, and you know worth pointing out

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Speaker 7: I don't know how that's gonna work out. Maybe they do.

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Speaker 1: Extend him, but if not, that's also a position of

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Speaker 1: They don't need him to do that, but it's always

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Speaker 4: He kind of is a right guard. Yeah, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: But I think he makes those two guys better, So

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Speaker 4: I really like it. Mike's right, he'll be twenty seven

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Speaker 4: were no sure things in free agency. Mike, you did

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he played fifteen games last year.

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Speaker 2: We get into what they haven't done yet. Let's talk

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Speaker 5: We got to be honest about.

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Speaker 2: We will get to that, but I want to talk

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Speaker 2: Let's get out. Let's get that out of the way.

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Speaker 5: I'm getting there. I just got to be objective.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it. Don't worry.

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Speaker 5: We will get it said, like we're talking about guards

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Speaker 5: They moved on from Garrett Bradbury, who you know, had

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Speaker 2: Like I was willing to give up the thirty first

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Speaker 1: Second one I would highlight was just Draymont Jones thinking

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have to fill out a fifty three man roster.

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Speaker 4: Chase On, like, I love this move. If they resigned

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Speaker 4: they'll surprise us. Yeah, But a lot of those secondary guys,

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Speaker 5: I think it goes back to what I was getting at.

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Speaker 5: Its just when you get to the draft, you don't

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Speaker 2: All right. So for your fans of the full back, yeah,

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Speaker 1: We're helping to grease the skids a little bit, only

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Speaker 7: Get a real full back. This guy's a real full back.

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Speaker 1: And anytime you can get a guy that clearly the

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Speaker 5: He was featured a lot in their zone schemes. You know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, He's he's fun to watch, you know, He's he

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Speaker 5: And a big reason why is because you know, Gilliam

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Speaker 5: If you're going to be like a thirty percent full

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Speaker 4: So you have numbers real quick, Freddie, I'm sorry, do

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Speaker 5: No, No, I think that their usage of two back

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Speaker 5: You know. McDaniels in twenty two with Vegas and then

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the fullbacks wasn't good. I am going to

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Speaker 4: Would expect that to rise over what they did this

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Speaker 2: Did I read correctly that they tendered west Over?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, are you surprised after bringing in that

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Speaker 5: But yeah, they were I want to say I wrote

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Speaker 4: I had a couple in the playoffs that were yeah,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So he's he's a beast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So that's the three three pickups, common

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Speaker 1: You know, this guy is no question. Was he fourteenth

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Speaker 4: But it's another one the reports, if you believe all

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, yeah, he played the fourteenth pick in

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right, so now Evan, sorry, time for

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Speaker 5: No I have gripes. I just it's incomplete, Like oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: So making him the highest wide receiver in history.

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Speaker 5: No, No, he was.

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Speaker 4: He's making Chase.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's making like twenty nine a million a year

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Speaker 5: left guard. Draymond Jones can be a starting edge like

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Speaker 5: they have starters at a lot of those different spots.

440
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Speaker 5: The one spot that you're really looking at that is

441
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Speaker 5: concerning right now is wide receiver. They just don't have

442
00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,680
Speaker 5: enough talent there. Yeah, high in talent.

443
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Speaker 7: They've lost the player, I mean, just the simple math

444
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Speaker 7: of it.

445
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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, and we should probably mention. I don't know, Mike,

446
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,199
Speaker 4: if you have the list in front of you, but

447
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,800
Speaker 4: the Patriots did. There was a handful of guys that

448
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:12,040
Speaker 4: that will not be back. Kyris Tonga is one July

449
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 4: and they released. But Tonga signed with Kansas City for

450
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:22,399
Speaker 4: three years, so there's I mean, I think Draymont Jones

451
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,920
Speaker 4: could be part of that equation. I think they probably

452
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,560
Speaker 4: like some of the young depth that they sort of

453
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:32,080
Speaker 4: cultivated with Joshua Farmer and Corey Durdin, you know, those

454
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 4: kinds of guys. Even the guy who the name escapes

455
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,160
Speaker 4: me that blocked the field, Leonard Taylor. Leonard Taylor. So

456
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,440
Speaker 4: they probably feel okay with that. I think they made

457
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,359
Speaker 4: a run to get Tonga done before the end of

458
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,159
Speaker 4: the season. Didn't work out. But you know, selfishly, I

459
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 4: liked the guy. I was a little disappointed to see

460
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Speaker 4: him go. I thought he did a nice job for

461
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 4: him last year. Not one that's gonna well, you know

462
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 4: who they really missed this year, you know, Kyrie's Tonga.

463
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Speaker 4: You know, I don't think we're gonna be saying that

464
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 4: at the end of the season. But yeah, I thought

465
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 4: he did a good job last year.

466
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the draft.

467
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 5: Especially before the injuries started to pile up on Alex.

468
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 2: I guess rap sheet's wrong because the Indian As Colts

469
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 2: and Pierce have agreed to a historic four year, one

470
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 2: hundred and fourteen million dollar deal, making him the highest

471
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 2: paid wide receiver free agent wide receiver in NFL history. Okay,

472
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:20,880
Speaker 2: hit the.

473
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Speaker 5: Free free agent I see, even though like he whatever,

474
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 5: it technically didn't hit the free agent market, so I

475
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 5: don't know how he was.

476
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 4: Oh I like that too. He signed with his own team,

477
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 4: so he's actually no different than the other. Yeah, so

478
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 4: that's wrong all the way across the board.

479
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 5: But his agent told him, right, that's funny. Anyways.

480
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: Now, I wasn't too broken up with Tonga. It just

481
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean, no, it is what it is. I agree

482
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Speaker 1: with Paul's point, and I think there's a lot of

483
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 1: those guys in the draft. You can find it two

484
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 1: down three hundred and twenty to three hundred and thirty pounds.

485
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they tackle kind of off the street

486
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 2: last year.

487
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I do. I do think it's a need.

488
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 1: Like I think they're gonna have to get a big

489
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 1: dude who weighs about three thirty somehow. But got Tonga

490
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: last year. He was on five teams and six years.

491
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's round six rounds.

492
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 4: The guy they got this year is this is going

493
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 4: to be a fifteen and eight years. So I just

494
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 4: look at it.

495
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 5: It's like they literally had to make Tonga a full

496
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 5: back because they didn't have a full back. Yeah that

497
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 5: could block and so you know it just that's the

498
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 5: way I was looking at Tongue. I'm with Douce on

499
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,479
Speaker 5: nose tackles, especially a draft like this, there's like the

500
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 5: only nose tackles you.

501
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 4: Got four six round picks. You can find a three

502
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty pounds.

503
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 5: There's literally this is this draft is the not the

504
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 5: draft for you if you need a nose tackle, because

505
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 5: literally every defensive tackle in this draft is is that

506
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:36,959
Speaker 5: kind of coo?

507
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 4: Well, so Austin Hooper, Yeah, turned Atlanta yep, lot to

508
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 4: uh San Francisco as well.

509
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 7: Uh but yeah, I don't know. I'm not really all

510
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 7: that torn up yet.

511
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm definitely still wide receiver position for sure.

512
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 1: But that always was probably going to be a trade, you.

513
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 4: Know, there was, And I think there's more than just

514
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 4: a J. Brown. I think there's some Crys Thomas Thomas,

515
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 4: you know, like, I don't know. Yeah, we'll see, but

516
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 4: I think there's some guys available. What do you think

517
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 4: to hold up because A J.

518
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: Brown is still out there and it's not just the Patriots.

519
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots are waiting to see if they

520
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: could get the price down. And I mean I thinks

521
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: are holding tight.

522
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: But do you think that What's Howie Roseman thinks that.

523
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: You know, I'm playing tough right now, but I gotta

524
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 2: get I got to move this guy because I can't

525
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: have them.

526
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 7: I think that's the golden question.

527
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 2: I don't think you don't think so you don't think

528
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: that a J. Brown will you know, kind of be

529
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: disgruntled defeat doesn't get traded.

530
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 4: But like what would change over the last two years.

531
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: Well now it's come. Yeah, now it's even more. You know,

532
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: there's a team that he wants to go to and

533
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: maybe other teams, and this guy is making a price

534
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 2: that it's just unreasonable and I want to leave. Let

535
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: me leave.

536
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 4: Well, I think he wants to leave, but I don't

537
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 4: really think anything has changed in that regard for the

538
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 4: last two years, and they've been able to win despite it.

539
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 4: So if I were Howie Roseman, I would stick tight

540
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 4: to what I think is the value. Now there's an

541
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 4: argument to be made that he's being irrational with what

542
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 4: he thinks is the value. I'm not suggesting that. I'm

543
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: not an expert on trade compensation. Maybe what he's looking

544
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 4: for is too much. Maybe they're not serious about trading them,

545
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 4: I don't know, or.

546
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 5: Maybe the June first thing is the biggest thing. So

547
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 5: they if they trade him before June first, it's like

548
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 5: a forty million dollar dead cap hit. They trade them

549
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 5: after June first, they can split up the dead cap

550
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 5: over two seasons, so it kind of cuts it in

551
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 5: half on how it hits their books this year. So

552
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 5: to trade him right now, I think you really need

553
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 5: to blow the Eagles out of the water to get

554
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 5: them to eat that kind of money on their cap,

555
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 5: Whereas if you wait a little bit longer, you might

556
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 5: be able to get them down a little bit. But

557
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 5: then you start to get into the whole twenty twenty

558
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 5: seven draft thing, and that becomes a factor. The way

559
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 5: some people, I think it's overblown. But the way some

560
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 5: people are talking about the twenty twenty seven draft, especially

561
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 5: the first round of the twenty twenty seven draft, is

562
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 5: like it's going to be a historically great wide receiver draft.

563
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 5: Jeremiah Smith obviously the prize at the top, but if

564
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 5: you're a team like the Patriots that might have a

565
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 5: tiny little bit of concern of regression to the mean

566
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 5: that you're not going to be picking thirty one in

567
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 5: twenty twenty seven. Dealing your twenty twenty seven first round

568
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 5: pick is like dealing, you know, in precious jeans.

569
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: I hope they're not thinking that way too much, because

570
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: if you have a good player that you want, don't

571
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: be thinking about twenty twenty seven. You know. Maybe Roseman's

572
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: part of his thinking is if I have to keep

573
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: the guy, I can at least tell him, listen, the

574
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 2: reason you didn't go is because I put a high

575
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: value on you. I value you. I don't want to

576
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: let you go unless somebody blows me out of the

577
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: water because I think highly of your skill level and

578
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: maybe that.

579
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 4: Appiece that's simple as that. I'm not just going to

580
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 4: give you away.

581
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I get it. I have to. I have

582
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 7: to admit though, I I've.

583
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: Loved AJ Brown for a long time, but as I

584
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: kind of like got down the road a little bit

585
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: and was watching him lately, like I would still very

586
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: much like him. But I don't know if I be

587
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: as disappointed now as I might have been a month ago.

588
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: I'll be disappointed if they don't get a receipt.

589
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: Yes, no, I will too, and I would, and I'd

590
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: say edge again and and tight end.

591
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 7: You know what's the plan. A tight end is a

592
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 7: spot where I think they.

593
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 4: Could all available too, you know, not just the trades,

594
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 4: but Joeku and you know, my my Romeo Dobs thing

595
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 4: is still out there. You know, Juwan Jennings is another

596
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 4: wide receiver's still out there. So there are regular free agents.

597
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily saying they're going to be a J

598
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: Brown's or you know that caliber of player. Stefan Diggs

599
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 4: is still available. I mean, who knows.

600
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thinking about that last night with Fred.

601
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 5: I was like, if they if the musical chair stop

602
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 5: and Diggs doesn't have a chair and the Patriots don't

603
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 5: have a chair, is this just meant to be?

604
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 4: Like are they just a marriage that's meant to be Checkers?

605
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 5: But with aj Brown, I think you have to get

606
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 5: your head around that he's maybe a little bit of

607
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 5: a different player kind of like so where like I

608
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 5: don't know if he's the downfield receiver that he once

609
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 5: was anymore, where he's you know, really a third level separator.

610
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 5: He does a little bit on double moves, but not

611
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 5: like purely just running by guys anymore. But he's now

612
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 5: turned into like a much better possession like catch and

613
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 5: run receiver, where like Philly didn't really use him particularly well,

614
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 5: I would say last year, like if you can you

615
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 5: move him around more, basically put him in the role

616
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 5: that Diggs was in. Like I think that at this

617
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 5: point in this chapter, he's like kind of more that

618
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 5: guy than he is you know, only average like twelve

619
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 5: yards per target last year in terms of air yards,

620
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 5: Like it's not a downfield you know, Alec Pierce type

621
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 5: of receiver anymore. That's not the type of guy you're getting,

622
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 5: but that's kind of the kind of the guy they need,

623
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 5: Like they need to replace Diggs, and I think aj

624
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 5: Brown at this stage is kind of replacing Diggs.

625
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 4: And I do feel that was a pretty dysfunctional passing

626
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 4: game very much, so, you know, so much so that

627
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 4: the guy he was a one and done as a

628
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: coordinator they moved on I think down here too. Yeah,

629
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 4: I mean, I for whatever it was, whether it was

630
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 4: scheme related, I know Hurts gets a lot of the

631
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 4: blame for the sort of malaise in the locker room.

632
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: I guess, you know, he rubs a lot of people

633
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 4: the wrong way, But just overall, I thought there was

634
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: a dysfunction to the passing game that was apparent when

635
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 4: you watch them play. It was like AJ Brown would

636
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: complain or you know, not even complain loudly. He would

637
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 4: sulk and be upset. In the next game, it'd be

638
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 4: like eleven targets in the first half, Like it was

639
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: so blatantly obvious. What yeah, you know, reactions were. So

640
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: I do have some faith that in a better system

641
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 4: with Josh and you know, maybe a more polished passer

642
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 4: shall we say with Drake May that you might see

643
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 4: a little bit more of the old AJ Brown as

644
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 4: opposed to what we saw last year.

645
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 5: I just loved the idea of moving him around, Like

646
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 5: I think Philly really glued him to the boundary and

647
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 5: it basically was like a slant or it was a

648
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 5: go route and there is no in between of what

649
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 5: they were kind of running with him, the little glimpses

650
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 5: of him running routes out of the slot, running routes

651
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 5: over the middle of the field, Like I feel like

652
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 5: that's the area that they didn't probably because it hurts.

653
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 5: He doesn't like to really throw the intermediate middle too much.

654
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 5: It's not an area that he throws a ton. Drake

655
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 5: May throws that area maybe more than any quarterback in

656
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 5: the league. So having somebody like that with Drake May

657
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 5: would be would be really good. But I still think

658
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Speaker 5: that you would need speed, Like I still think you're

659
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 5: kind of missing that sort of dimensionalist Kyle Williams really

660
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 5: takes a leap and becomes that guy, you still don't

661
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 5: have a whole lot of downfield speed, which is I

662
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 5: think what happened in Philly, Like I think Philly kind

663
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 5: of got bogged down where everything was kind of within

664
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Speaker 5: twenty yards the line of scrimmage.

665
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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what I was seeing, and

666
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: that's you know, and that's when Paul brings up Brian

667
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: Thomas Junior. I know there's some risk with him, but yeah,

668
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: that explosiveness and that dynamic ability where a J.

669
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Speaker 7: Brown's a really strong player.

670
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Speaker 1: He's smart, he's savvy, he knows how to box out

671
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: on those little slants. But you know, is he pulling

672
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: away from people. He's probably more gonna plow over people

673
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: than pull away from people at this point.

674
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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think of the price the Ravens

675
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: paid for Max Crosby? Oh?

676
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 7: Two first rounders?

677
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 5: Too much?

678
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean too first and the third right or

679
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: something like that.

680
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 5: It's too I think it was two first. I think

681
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 5: it was too much. Like the Patriots, I don't know

682
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 5: how they could have gotten there, because they also they

683
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 5: got the fourteenth overall pick this year in the draft

684
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 5: and the first in twenty twenty seven. So the Patriots

685
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 5: first round pick this year is thirty one. So like

686
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 5: you're talking about having to add a lot on top

687
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 5: to try to get there. So I think that's why

688
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 5: the Patriots bout.

689
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: Out the Ravens like all in like kissed about twenty

690
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: twenty five and we're better than that and we're gonna

691
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Speaker 2: win it in twenty twenty six.

692
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Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see. I mean, they're obviously changing their

693
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Speaker 1: coaching staff. You know, I saw a Lohai Gilman sign

694
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Speaker 1: with I think the Chiefs, so.

695
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 4: He was They've I believe they've lost seven free agents,

696
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 4: are there?

697
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

698
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean they had no pass rush last year, so

699
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean you talk about that's why they brought in Jones,

700
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, to try to sparkd at. She sacked Drake

701
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: me for both teams he played for. But I don't

702
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: know how it comes back together. It feels like they

703
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of blew it up a little bit. They brought

704
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: in Crosby. No question, Kyle Hamilton's a really talented player,

705
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: but again like they had to bring in a third

706
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: safety to kind of make him maximize, you know, wrote

707
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: Rokwan Smith.

708
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Speaker 7: Is he still the same level? We'll see, We'll see.

709
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Speaker 1: I mean, I ultimately it just kind of probably comes

710
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: down to Lamar and what level is.

711
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 5: Tough because they they're top half of the roster, like

712
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 5: their top five guys are as good as anybody in

713
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Speaker 5: the NFL, like Lamar Jackson, Kyle Hamilton, Max Crosby, like

714
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 5: those are some heavy, heavy hitters. But now they don't

715
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 5: have first round picks, and they've lost a lot of

716
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Speaker 5: their depth this offseason with guys that have left in

717
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Speaker 5: free agency, So like, how do you go about kind

718
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 5: of the middle class thing? Right, Like, how do you

719
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 5: go about supplementing the roster with depth? Because I'll put

720
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Speaker 5: their top five against anybody's top five, like they have

721
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Speaker 5: that good top end talent, but I don't know about

722
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Speaker 5: the depth on the ruck.

723
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Speaker 4: I like the trade, but I am what Evan's talking about,

724
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: Mike's talking about, to me is relevant because if they're

725
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: going to just do this cheap owner thing and just say, well,

726
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: we made that trade so now we can't resign any

727
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 4: of our guys and we're going to let the roster deteriorate,

728
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: then to me, it's treading water. It's a great player

729
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 4: that you get. I don't think two first round picks

730
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: is out of the you know, I don't don't listen,

731
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 4: it's a lot. I'm not telling you that two first

732
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: round picks isn't a lot. But that's what great players cost.

733
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: I mean, Micah Parson's a little younger. But you just saw,

734
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 4: you know what Green Bay was willing to give up.

735
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 4: This is a difference making player. But if you're just

736
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 4: going to let everybody go and say, well, we have

737
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Speaker 4: to pay this because it's not an exorbitant contract either,

738
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just a regular contract.

739
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

740
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Speaker 4: So I think it's a good trade. The individual transaction,

741
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: I would say, is a good trade for both teams.

742
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 4: I think it's a good trade for Baltimore. But I'm

743
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: not sure, you know, it's going to end up being

744
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 4: as good for them as they think, because they're just

745
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: going to let like the you know, the Lin Bombs

746
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 4: and the Gilman's and you know all these other guys.

747
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 5: Just watched Charlie Kohler. They lost their blocking tight end.

748
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: Charlie Kohler, Isaiah Likely. You know, you lose two tight ends,

749
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 4: you know, for a team that uses multiple tight ends

750
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: a lot.

751
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 5: Now they are a great drafting team, yep, and they have.

752
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 4: A great drafting developed.

753
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: Now they don't, but they don't have a first round pick.

754
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: David Main writes, and it says, you guys are nuts.

755
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: Patriots fans can talk themselves into anything. They cut their

756
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: best receiver with seemingly no real plan. Be Diggs was

757
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: the go to guy for Drake and that's hard to replace.

758
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: Even if Diggs took a step back next year, I

759
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: still think you'd be their best receiver. I know twenty

760
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: million buys a lot of fullbacks, but they need to

761
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: avoid giving Drake may the mac Jones treatment. I hope

762
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Speaker 2: they make a trade for a star wide receiver because

763
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Speaker 2: as of right now, this building team is worse than

764
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: the year before.

765
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Speaker 4: I'm just going to speak for myself. I didn't like

766
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: the decision to cut Digs without anybody to replace him.

767
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Speaker 4: If it ends up being that, I will not like it.

768
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Speaker 4: So I don't know. Like we talked about Digs last

769
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Speaker 4: week when the word came out that he I have

770
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Speaker 4: no problem moving on from him, but I need someone

771
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Speaker 4: at least as good as him, and I personally need

772
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Speaker 4: something else in addition to that, I need someone who's

773
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Speaker 4: as good as Digs plus something else. Yeah, is what

774
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Speaker 4: I would like for the wide receiver, court or past.

775
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Speaker 4: I don't care.

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Speaker 5: That's why I said what I said off the top

777
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 5: of the show. Like it just it feels incomplete right now,

778
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 5: like until they get that move done in some capacity,

779
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 5: and I get it. I get it from a fan

780
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 5: perspective that if they wait to pick it at thirty one, like,

781
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 5: you're not going to feel great about that because of

782
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 5: their history. Whether that's fair or not to Mike Rabel

783
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 5: who hasn't been here or not, the honest truth is

784
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 5: is that they haven't hit on a wide receiver ever really,

785
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 5: so like, yeah, that's it's on the.

786
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: Other end of that, Barton Poland says, we have an

787
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: incredibly overreacting fan base. Let's not let the last year

788
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: fool us. Good teams usually don't build through free agency.

789
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: Players hit free agency for a reason more often than not.

790
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: Fore agency is for filling holes, adding depth, and occasionally

791
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: making a splash signing, not for building an entire roster overnight.

792
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: But apparently because we didn't sign Alec Pierce for forty

793
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: million a year or trade five first round picks for

794
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson in the first three hours of free agency,

795
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: were suddenly doomed and might as well not even show

796
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: up for the season, trade Drake May and start the

797
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: arch madness movement.

798
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Speaker 4: I don't know what I is twenty nine.

799
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: They get more enjoyment out of like last year when

800
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: they signed a bunch of guys and everybody was having

801
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl parade at this on Tuesday of free agency.

802
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: And this year they kind of did what you know,

803
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: usually teams do, plug some holes. They haven't made any

804
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: big moves yet, but you know, now we're we're on

805
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: the other end of the roller coaster.

806
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I think I do think that there's

807
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 4: some truth to what Bart was saying with the fan base,

808
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 4: but I did not sense there being like a tremendous

809
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: amount of gloom and doom. I think people are disappointed

810
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 4: and underwhelmed so far, but I think coming off the

811
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, in all the work it did last year,

812
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 4: I think has mitigated that a little bit. I don't know,

813
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 4: maybe you guys seen more than I.

814
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, the hysteria on Twitter is not really

815
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 5: the best barometer of, you know, how the fan base

816
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: really feels. It's a very specific group of people, but

817
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 5: this all stems back for most people until they sign

818
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 5: a wide receiver or trade for a wide receiver. This

819
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 5: is how a lot of people are gonna feel. Yeah,

820
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 5: and like what are there? I agree with Bart, Like

821
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: I said before, Left Guard was in need, Edge was

822
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 5: in need. Full back was maybe a smaller need, but

823
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 5: still a need, but especially at edge and left guard.

824
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 5: Like now, when you're sitting at thirty one, you don't

825
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 5: need to take the eighth best edge rusher because you

826
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 5: don't have any edge rushers. Now you have guys that

827
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 5: are NFL caliber players. Draymond Jones, Anthony Jennings, maybe Elijah Ponder,

828
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 5: Harold Landry, like those guys can at least play for you,

829
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 5: and you can be relatively good defensively with those guys

830
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 5: out there. That's how they've gotten themselves into trouble in

831
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 5: the past is when they get to the draft and

832
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 5: they just have a glaring hole on the depth chart

833
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 5: where it's like, we have to draft this position right now,

834
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 5: that's probably wide receiver. And so if they trade for somebody,

835
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 5: then they have nothing, and then you get there and

836
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 5: you pick what's available at thirty one.

837
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: H Morgan in Vermont, Margan says, I have two points,

838
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: and I'll hang up and listen. Am I in the

839
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: twilight zone. Everywhere I look, people are going crazy for this.

840
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: Draymond Jones signing. He's thirty years old and has averaged

841
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: twenty five tackles in around four STAPs a year. I

842
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: don't get the hype. I guess I'm fine with him

843
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: as a rotational player, but I really hate this signing.

844
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: If it's him over Chase On, how much are they

845
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: planning and getting key starters from the draft again this year?

846
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: All I'm seeing is more and more holes being created

847
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: on this roster and no really solid signing to a

848
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: dress holes we have besides full back, Apparently we've got

849
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: three of those stop releasing players. Elliott Well, I Well

850
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: left Guard I think is a good signing.

851
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 7: I mean, the digs app like created a need for sure.

852
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: But you know, I agree with what he's saying about

853
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: about Jones, and I hope that I didn't hype him

854
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: up too much.

855
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 7: I felt like he's part of a rotation.

856
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: But I still think you need Chase On and I'd

857
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: still love to grab one of these rookies and then

858
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: you see what happens with Landry. You've got four kind

859
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: of guys with a rookie and Elijah Ponder to see

860
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: what he comes back. So really it's you know, five

861
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: guys that you're looking at for three spots that are going.

862
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: To play if they if they, because like the email,

863
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 5: are like I'm just gonna like sacks and tackles for

864
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 5: edg rushers. It's like we we we have better ways

865
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 5: to look at it now, right, Like if you look

866
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 5: at pass rush win weight pressure rate, like him and

867
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 5: Chase On are even. I think they're pretty much even

868
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 5: in sacks too, if you take out Chaseon's playoff performance,

869
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 5: which obviously was four games extra that he played.

870
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: At seven, right, Yeah, like you know, right around seven

871
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: sacks I think last year seven and seven seven I think,

872
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 4: and I think Chason had seven and a half.

873
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, So like we're talking about guys that were both

874
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 5: right around seven sacks, right around fifty pressures during the

875
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 5: regular season. So like they're kind of the same guy.

876
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 5: Like I was looking at all these lists, yes, and

877
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 5: it's like a lot of them are like Draymond Jones

878
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 5: is like player X, and then Chase On's right above

879
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 5: or below him, Like it's right in the same ballpark.

880
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 5: So if it's if they are not going to resign

881
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 5: Chase On, let's just say and Draymond Jones and Chase

882
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 5: On are kind of one for one replacements, and then

883
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 5: they're gonna do something produced by drafting an edge guy

884
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 5: at thirty one, like, like, that's that's the move, right, Like,

885
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 5: I don't know how many more edge guys you really needed.

886
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 4: I think they've really I mean Diggs was a huge release,

887
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 4: but they haven't really released many guys, have they.

888
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: I mean maybe he's maybe talk well, that's not a

889
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: real I mean, that's a free agent who signed somewhere else.

890
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: I mean, that's not the same as releasing.

891
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: The only other thing I can think of where we've

892
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: opened up a need that maybe you didn't have. I mean,

893
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: and you knew you might have it because you knew

894
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: Tonga might. But otherwise I think I mean Tevin's point,

895
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: all three guys they signed were all needs, and I

896
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: mean two of them were the main positions we talked about.

897
00:38:54,239 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rick and Riverside Rhode Island. I give the Patriots

898
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: an a for Day one. They added three starters without overpaying.

899
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: Pierce would have been nice, but he chose family and

900
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: his decision to stay in Indye. I don't believe we

901
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: lost any game changes in free agency this draft. The

902
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 2: Patriots are not drafting for immediate need like the last

903
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: couple of years, so they should be able to get

904
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: the best player available when it comes to their time

905
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: to pick.

906
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: I think the draft take is there.

907
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I see.

908
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you feel out, but

909
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: as it's come together for me, I feel a little

910
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: bit like the receiver and edge positions are kind of

911
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: connected at a thirty one spot where there might be

912
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: a run on some receivers right around there, or there

913
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: might be a run on some edge guys and one

914
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: of those positions could possibly get pushed.

915
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: I think we all agree we still want a receiver.

916
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they need to. I mean I think

917
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 7: they need to or a tight end.

918
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, whichever way you want.

919
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 4: We need be still available.

920
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: We need we need viable weapons for Drake Man.

921
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I keep bringing them up.

922
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 5: I know, if you have a like, let's just call

923
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 5: him a wide receiver again, maybe I'll feel a little

924
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: bit better about it.

925
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: Right.

926
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how they how they divvy it up,

927
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: but you know, two wide receivers in the second tight

928
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: end somehow, and and you know, hopefully maybe one of

929
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: those guys is a rookie.

930
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't even.

931
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 5: To hold two wide receivers like they already bring him

932
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 5: back Kyle Kyle Williams Ki Shawn Booty, Matt Collins, Pop Douglas. Now,

933
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 5: maybe you're thinking Booty and popped up.

934
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 4: That's right, You're welcome friends.

935
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 5: You know, maybe you're thinking long term about Booty and

936
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 5: Pop Douglas and if they're going to be here past

937
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 5: twenty six. But like, how many guys are you going

938
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 5: to roster, and like how many opportunities are you going

939
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 5: to give guys if you bring in, if you trade

940
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 5: for a big time receiver, you're not probably then also

941
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 5: going to draft a draft a receiver in the top

942
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 5: one hundred. It's just too many now's to feed, Like

943
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 5: you're only gonna have carry six. So well, unless you're

944
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 5: moving somebody out, yes, you're already kind of moving digs out.

945
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 4: Though theoretically if you if you so you trade for

946
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: a J. Brown and draft somebody in the top hundred,

947
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 4: so that maybe makes Douglas expendable. Sure, you know, maybe

948
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: you can get you know, a late round pick or

949
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 4: whatever a pick swap.

950
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: Can you get for Booty?

951
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: Late round pickswap? I mean that's I mean, that's what

952
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 4: you're looking for. Like those guys are going into the

953
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 4: last years of the deals. I think you kind of

954
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 4: know what they are at this point, or.

955
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 5: Maybe I've been saying to put Kaishon Booty in the trade,

956
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 5: and that's not no disrespect to Kaishan Bush. Sure, but

957
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 5: if you're trading for aj Brown or if you're trading

958
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 5: for Chris Olave or Brian Thomas junior, like those teams

959
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 5: need a playable outside receiver, like they're going to need

960
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 5: to replace those players with something. Yeah, and like can

961
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 5: Kaishan Boudi be a sweetener as you know, a replacement

962
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 5: for the player that they're dealing out. I just think,

963
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 5: you know, tight end to me has a more immediate

964
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 5: path to playing time. Like if you draft a young

965
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 5: tight end in the top one hundred that has some

966
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 5: receiving upside, I feel like there's a clearer path, especially

967
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 5: now with Austin Hooper gone, for that guy to actually

968
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 5: play as a rookie. Whereas if you're drafting another guy

969
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 5: in the second third round at receiver, he's going to

970
00:41:59,360 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 5: be behind them.

971
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

972
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: Maybe it goes to what Vrabel said at the combine,

973
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: which was he likes this tight end class. So maybe

974
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: they are kind of looking at that. Maybe you'll see

975
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: a later free agency signing. But no, I just look

976
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: at the three wide receivers next year who.

977
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 7: Are free agents.

978
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: Let's just say you get AJ Brown, you get to

979
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: next year, you've got AJ Brown and who's thirty years old,

980
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: and you've got to make some decisions. So Kyle Williams

981
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: huge player for me this year. If he's able to

982
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: ascend and kind of take on that role, I think

983
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: would be great. I just I still look at it's

984
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: going to be a position, a long term need. I'd

985
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: love to get the guys in place that are going

986
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: to be Drake's guys going forward.

987
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 5: That depends on how they look at Kyle Williams, and

988
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 5: only they can answer that question. Like if they really

989
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 5: feel like he can take that next step, then you

990
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 5: don't want to block him by adding multiple receivers. If

991
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 5: you feel like you we're not sure, then yeah, I.

992
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: Just really wonder about Pop too, Like it's just you know,

993
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: somebody we talked about all last year about how does

994
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: he fit? And then it felt like for a short

995
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: while he found downfield ability to make plays. We're all

996
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: expecting him to be the quick underneath guy and that's

997
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: just not really his game. At times, it looked like

998
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to the right spot now I just

999
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: wonder what's the desire of the team to either have

1000
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: a guy like Pop or even Chisholm. You know, like,

1001
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: is Chisholm maybe a little bit quicker underneath? Does that

1002
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: give him opportunities that don't exist for I don't know.

1003
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about either of those guys.

1004
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: I would love to There's a few guys that fall

1005
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: in that category of I love to know what they

1006
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: think about that, Kyle Williams, Chisholm and Marcus Bryant, Like,

1007
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: what do they think of him? Is do they think

1008
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: at some day he could be a starter, you.

1009
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 5: Know, or at least a swing tackle. But you know,

1010
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 5: and I think the Vederian low thing kind of came

1011
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 5: down to the fact that he was kind of only

1012
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 5: a left side player, and so there wasn't a ton

1013
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 5: of versatility for him to flip to the right based

1014
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 5: off of the past at least, you know, when he

1015
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 5: played right, he really struggled. So you know, maybe Marcus

1016
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 5: Bryant can be a little bit more versatile and give

1017
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 5: you a true swing tackle as a third tackle instead

1018
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 5: of just kind of a backup to Will Campbell at

1019
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 5: left tackle, which is what Darien Loan them.

1020
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 7: Then Josh Farmer got married. Actually, oh last weekend each other?

1021
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: Right?

1022
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 4: Good?

1023
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 5: We should.

1024
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: I think it was Dove Climb and did like a

1025
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: post where it was like Josh Farmer and uh it wasn't.

1026
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 7: Marcus Brian both got married. The got married this weekend

1027
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 7: and it it pictures them like kind of looking at

1028
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 7: each other and like what.

1029
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 10: Is going on?

1030
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 7: But now it wasn't to each other?

1031
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 2: Eight five five past five hundred is the hot line.

1032
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: Let's see what people have to say on the hotline.

1033
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: Herms in DC, what's up?

1034
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 11: Herm Hey, what's going on?

1035
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: Till Man?

1036
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 11: Hey, Hey, so I turned for you on Saturday and

1037
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 11: I promised myself to be a little more patient in life.

1038
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 11: Right but obviously Dick, well, so Dick feel released. It's

1039
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 11: not ideal. I didn't I didn't love to move, but

1040
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 11: like I said, well, like Evan actually said, it's still

1041
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 11: incomplete right as far as like you know, four years

1042
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 11: and goos and acquisitions. A question to you guys, is

1043
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 11: this right? I personally will be I will be shocked

1044
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 11: if Aged Brown actually landing in New England. I just

1045
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 11: I mean, I'll be my mouth will be on the floor. Well,

1046
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 11: that being said, the probability and my opinion being raptively

1047
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 11: low for him to be in New England. What a

1048
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 11: realistic alternative to replace that productivity? Right, considering we just

1049
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 11: I don't know a while, but we just let this

1050
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 11: go down the receiver, right, So where do you go?

1051
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 11: And I guess spacific place. Do you guys would have

1052
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 11: a mon that could replace a predictavit?

1053
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1054
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: All right, thanks herm.

1055
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: I mean, Paul, you want Thomas, but I like Brian Thomas. Yeah,

1056
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: I think this' you know, he had the great rookie

1057
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 4: year and evidently did not mesh well with the new

1058
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 4: offense last year in Jacksonville. They ended up making a

1059
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 4: couple of moves. Liam Cohen sort of got Jacoby Myers

1060
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 4: at the deadline, and then all of a sudden, Parker

1061
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: Washington really emerged and the offense took off and it

1062
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 4: looked like Thomas was a little bit more of an afterthought.

1063
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 4: Definitely had some problems like over the middle not he

1064
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 4: had a lot of drops. I mean, call it what

1065
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 4: it is. He didn't play well, but he fell out

1066
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 4: of favor and to me, I think it's ridiculous that

1067
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 4: they would give up on a guy who showed as

1068
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: much promise as he did two years ago, you know,

1069
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: and you know, on a rookie deal. But it looks

1070
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: like I mean, if I think there was a report

1071
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 4: out of New York, it was s N Y and

1072
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 4: New York reported that he is available, but the Jaguars

1073
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 4: are actively taking taking offers on him. I think there's

1074
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 4: there's some ability there. Though he had a really good

1075
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 4: game against in London against the Patriots two years ago

1076
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 4: as a rookie. Again, I would, I would.

1077
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 2: But none of these guys I would like the level

1078
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: of Diggs.

1079
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 4: You know, I think I think he absolutely could.

1080
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, two years ago, I think you're looking

1081
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: at two guys with the different sides of the hill.

1082
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: You know, It's like Brian Thomas your hope and it's

1083
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: still headed up the hill and Diggs is maybe.

1084
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 5: Different players sure, Like I think the reason why Brian

1085
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 5: Thomas schematic like he's an ISO receiver, Like he's the

1086
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 5: type of guy that you want to get one on

1087
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 5: one on the outside and let him run vertical routes,

1088
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 5: you know, against Christian Gonzales in London, right running right

1089
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 5: by guys. And I think that offensive Liam Cohene is

1090
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 5: out of the Shanahan Tree, and it's a lot of

1091
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 5: catch and run over the middle and you know, crossing

1092
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 5: routes and play action and all that kind of stuff.

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00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 5: It's a little bit different of a system than you know,

1094
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 5: what he ran at LSU, which is just spread you know,

1095
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 5: Jayden Daniels and the gun. We're gonna spread my leak

1096
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 5: neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior out whoever has the one

1097
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 5: on one where bombs away. You know, that feels a

1098
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 5: lot more like the Patriots passing game with Drake May

1099
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 5: than it does what they're doing in Jacksonville. So I

1100
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 5: think it's a great fit if they can get him

1101
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 5: out of there. I just don't know why it would

1102
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 5: worry me that there's more to it than.

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00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 4: Just me too.

1104
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 5: It's a bad scheme fit because there was some evidence

1105
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 5: with him on film that he was kind of dogging

1106
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 5: some routes and like not. You know, the effort wasn't

1107
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 5: always great drops.

1108
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 4: You know, he was decision He was at odds with

1109
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 4: Cohen a lot. Yeah, during the course of the season,

1110
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 4: and that does that is in the back of my mind,

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00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 4: Like Liam Cohen clearly showed that he had something to

1112
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 4: offer as a coach with a you know, pretty quick

1113
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 4: turnaround of a bad team. Why is he so you know,

1114
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 4: willing to part ways with a guy who clearly has

1115
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: the ability.

1116
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 2: Danny's in Tampa. What's up, Danny?

1117
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 6: Hey, how's it going?

1118
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Speaker 9: Guys?

1119
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 12: Hey?

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00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 6: So, I like all the tikes that everyone's saying so far,

1121
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 6: I'm pretty good the picks that they've made so far,

1122
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 6: I mean, they're they're decent.

1123
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 9: They filled some spots.

1124
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 6: One key thing I'd hit that I think that everyone's

1125
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 6: saying is, yeah, I agree with Paul and everything. Why

1126
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 6: would you release Digs not have a plan. It kind

1127
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 6: of seems like the trend that the Patriots have been

1128
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 6: doing over the last few years is they get rid

1129
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 6: of what Bill used to do, get rid of a player.

1130
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 6: Sometimes he wouldn't have an idea and we're all scratching

1131
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 6: our head, like what does Bill doing? And maybe he's

1132
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 6: got some genius. But then they did that would draw

1133
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 6: on and now Mike's here. But I trust Mike. You know,

1134
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 6: I'm not too sure what they're doing so far. But

1135
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 6: one thing I think they should do is that would

1136
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 6: solve some issues. Is he will keep bringing up bringing

1137
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 6: David and Joki to the tight end if he's still available.

1138
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 6: Since they missed out on that Isaiah likely Sweet stakes

1139
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 6: since he went to the Giants, I'd bring in a Joku.

1140
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 6: I think they also missed out on Kate Odten from

1141
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 6: the Bucks. They should draft the new tight end because

1142
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 6: I don't like Jack Westover and just punter Henry. He's

1143
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 6: declined easy years since he's since he's been with the Patriots.

1144
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 6: He hasn't had a really good seasons since his first

1145
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 6: contract with Patriots. So I would bring in Djoku draft

1146
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 6: the tight end to fix that. No one's really talking

1147
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 6: a lot about the Titan. They keep talking about the

1148
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 6: receiver spot, and I think the way Josh runs his offense,

1149
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 6: you really need good tight ends. And I would not

1150
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 6: want to roll in with Jack Westover and Hunter Henry.

1151
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 12: That is not good.

1152
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 5: They're doing that.

1153
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: Thanks Danny, they got it.

1154
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 5: They got a lot there. They'll make some moves at

1155
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 5: tight end for sure.

1156
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 4: And I liked Djoku. I just he's a little older, Yeah,

1157
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 4: but I do like the player and as a second

1158
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 4: tight end, pretty athletic. I think they could find someone

1159
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 4: younger though I think he.

1160
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 5: Can still play all right.

1161
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: Spring is sprung too.

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00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,280
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Speaker 12: Absolutely glad to be.

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Speaker 1: I got to start off with your mock draft because

1217
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: so many Patriots fans right now they're like edge class

1218
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: and you know they got a couple tackle people. But

1219
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: you came through with Caleb Banks, a giant penetrating defensive lineman,

1220
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: which I'm kind of the defense guy.

1221
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 7: I love the defense.

1222
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: And I saw that, I was like, hey, I know

1223
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: we had some of these, but sign me up for that.

1224
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: What did you see in him that that made you

1225
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: going to the Patriots?

1226
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 12: What I watched his film and when I tracked all

1227
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 12: of the data that kind of matches strategies. He's a rabel.

1228
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 12: He like like it's like he's a Rabel. It's kind

1229
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 12: of easy to see, right, Yeah, well, and the numbers

1230
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 12: are pretty like the good news about Mike Rabel is

1231
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 12: that you know exactly what the strategy is going to be.

1232
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 12: And that's that means like the fit is easier to find, right, Like,

1233
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 12: that's great. Is clarity is great and sticking to a

1234
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 12: plan is even greater, which I think some people have

1235
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 12: clarity and then they're like, yeah, yeah, no, I'm going

1236
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 12: to make this thing fit my back into my narrative.

1237
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 12: That's what it doesn't what Rabel does. That's not what

1238
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 12: Rabel does. He does the opposite of that. So it

1239
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 12: just felt like that was the one. You're like, well,

1240
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 12: this job here is done.

1241
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 4: It makes sense.

1242
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: I said, we're talking to a bunch of people this week,

1243
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: and it was you know, Rabel came in and he's like,

1244
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: this is the style we want to play with effort

1245
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: and finish. And as soon as we saw them starting

1246
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: to play, especially on the defensive side of the ball,

1247
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, I get it, and now we'll start

1248
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: the scouting process. And I'm like, yep, Rabel, Rabel, you know,

1249
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: these are rable guys. Plays with his hair on fire,

1250
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: but i't want to ask you a little different for

1251
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Yeah, we've been up at the top of

1252
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: the draft the last few years. Who saw last year coming?

1253
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: Not even us here on the inside.

1254
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 12: But I'm like obsessed with your I went to b

1255
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 12: C accent Is. I'm like obsessed with a little bit.

1256
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 5: I'm like it.

1257
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 12: I'm like, keep talking.

1258
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: About I want to have a couple of drinks. Then

1259
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: it comes out even more.

1260
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 5: But we're not there.

1261
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 11: We're not there.

1262
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like when you're at the

1263
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: bottom of the first round, you're waiting to see who

1264
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: might fall through the cracks. And I do love this

1265
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: edge class, So I feel like we got to talk

1266
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: a little bit about it. Any of those guys you

1267
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: see that you think rable guy, so he.

1268
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 12: Won't he won't be available where you're picking. But I

1269
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 12: think Cashastowel is a rable guy. The one cool thing,

1270
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 12: or there's a lot of cool things about him, but

1271
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 12: one of the coolest things about him is the fatigue factor.

1272
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 12: So I've been measuring. I've been using the data to

1273
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 12: see how often in the fourth quarter the guys get

1274
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 12: tired versus the first quarter. So I need to like

1275
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 12: rename it because it's a good thing to be low

1276
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 12: and fatigue. But like that's clunky to say, So how

1277
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 12: good are you at not being fatigued? Terrible English whatever.

1278
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: Exhaustion quo or something that there we go sounds official.

1279
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 12: Right, especially quotihit that really I don't really, I don't know,

1280
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 12: I don't know. I agree, but that the point is

1281
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 12: is Cassius Howell doesn't get tired. He does not have

1282
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 12: that happen. I mean, Caleb Downs nowhere near, we're nowhere near,

1283
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 12: y'all will have no chance at him. No offense, but

1284
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 12: it's not like an offensive thing. But that kid, no, no,

1285
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 12: no drop off, no way.

1286
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1287
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 12: So but Cassius Howel if he were somehow, if he

1288
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 12: had some weird fall or whatever, that's a guy who

1289
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:54,479
Speaker 12: would be a rable guy.

1290
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: Like our Mason Thomas too, a little bit places with

1291
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: that kind of style, a little smaller kind of a guy.

1292
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: But when you look over all the regardless of patriots

1293
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: or anything, are there any guys that just you were like,

1294
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: I love this guy. I think he came down easy

1295
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: to love him.

1296
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 12: Yeah, So I'm I'm all in on Caleb Downs now.

1297
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 12: I also I studied this is ridiculous, But I spent

1298
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 12: a lot of my master's degree studying offensive linemen because

1299
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 12: somebody once told me there was nothing that I could

1300
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 12: teach them about.

1301
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 4: Whatever it was.

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Speaker 15: It was.

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Speaker 12: Right now, No, not going to arm length, but no,

1304
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 12: I feel like I'm right now. I'm very excited about

1305
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,959
Speaker 12: seeing how Fransis Mawanoa interviews. I don't know anything about

1306
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 12: his personality, but Miami tackle he should measure in around

1307
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 12: sixty six sixty seven. Pretty interested to see because I

1308
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 12: just think a lot of teams need a tackle, you know.

1309
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 12: And by the way, I don't care about Will Campbell's arm.

1310
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 12: I'd rather I'd rather want him to be playing with

1311
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 12: like all of his uh ligaments intact. Nice, you know,

1312
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 12: but I don't care about his arm. He was my

1313
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 12: first pick.

1314
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Speaker 2: I didn't.

1315
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Speaker 12: I'm an analytics person. I can tell you I don't

1316
00:56:58,640 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 12: care about his arms.

1317
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 7: I'm gona talk about like you heard last year.

1318
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: The second I heard him speak, I'm like, I want

1319
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: to die for It's not that serious, too extreme.

1320
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 12: Ratchet it down, just tiny it. But I get where

1321
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 12: you're going with that. But like just less, I can.

1322
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: Actually just going back to this year. I mean, you

1323
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: have a national perspective and you're talking about this stuff

1324
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: all the time. Just what was your perspective on this

1325
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: Patriots scene this year. I know there was talk of

1326
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: the schedule, but I mean Drake may runner up in

1327
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: the MVP. I mean, like I said, not even the

1328
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: people inside. I mean, we were all just taken aback

1329
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: by how well he played and how it all came

1330
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: together so quickly.

1331
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 12: I think the quick is the part, like it made

1332
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 12: complete sense, like all I I mean, Milton Williams, that

1333
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 12: was such a smarting. But I love Bobby Spulane. Adding

1334
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 12: Robert Spulane back to the team. I thought that was

1335
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 12: low key, not talked about anywhere near as much as

1336
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 12: it should have been. The run stop, like that's just

1337
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 12: a that's a dude right there. But he's also I mean,

1338
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 12: if you look at anything good that happened on the Raiders,

1339
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 12: was like, oh, it's Robert Spelane, It's Bobby's splane, right,

1340
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 12: so you're looking at that. And I thought even the

1341
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 12: less premium free agent and I don't need to call

1342
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 12: on that, but less expensive how about the less expensive

1343
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 12: free agent acquisitions were really good too. Did I think

1344
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 12: that this would be the year that they would go

1345
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 12: to the Super Bowl. Nope. But I wasn't really surprised.

1346
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 12: I do think it kind of the wheels fell off

1347
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 12: a little bit with like injuries and trying to like

1348
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 12: put some like duct tape.

1349
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 7: On being one of those down the end, like you

1350
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 7: need a little w D forty kid.

1351
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 12: Okay, like, but I think that was but that could

1352
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 12: happen to any team, So you know, it was just

1353
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 12: an unfortunate circumstance. But you know, I thought I thought

1354
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 12: it was going to be a good team. I don't.

1355
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 12: I definitely didn't think it was a super Bowl team

1356
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 12: now yet Yeah, well I thought it was a good rebuild.

1357
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: And then we look at the schedule next year. I

1358
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: mean it's like at Seattle, at Kansas City, at the Chargers.

1359
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of tough games. What do

1360
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: you feel like the strategy should be for this Patriots

1361
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: team this year? I mean, you know, there's cries for

1362
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: the number one. Everybody got to get that number one receiver.

1363
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: You got to get one of the three best receivers.

1364
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: And they you know, that's a big talking point, the

1365
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: pressure with the edge rushers, but they talked David stablished

1366
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: a core a foundation, they've got to continue to.

1367
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: Build on it.

1368
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on how do they approach the

1369
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: expectations now after going to a super Bowl?

1370
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Speaker 12: Can we just get like a can we just do

1371
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 12: like a little more of a right tackle? I'm so mean,

1372
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 12: I'm so mean. I just want to protect Drake May.

1373
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 12: I think he's so special and has the potential to

1374
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 12: be elite, elite. I will never crown a guy until

1375
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 12: I've seen it. You know, even Patrick Mahomes after that

1376
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 12: one amazing year, I wasn't like, I'm not ready to.

1377
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 12: You got to give him three because then now everyone

1378
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 12: will adjust and then can you adjust back? It seems

1379
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 12: like Drake May will be fully capable of doing that.

1380
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 12: But again, I still want to go ahead. I reserve

1381
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 12: the word elite for the actual elite people, so by

1382
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 12: definition it has to be very few. But he has

1383
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 12: all sides point to that. So like pull out like

1384
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 12: a like a little armored vehicle. Is there, who's the

1385
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 12: most refrigerator like in this draft? Francis Moua, yeah, right,

1386
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 12: let's put him anyways, but what long story short is that?

1387
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 12: That to me is like focus on that. This team

1388
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 12: has a lot of different opportunities to be successful. I

1389
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 12: don't care how it looks. I don't care if it's

1390
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 12: a number one wide receiver that's named like hottest wide

1391
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 12: receiver the whole world, Like, it doesn't need to be that.

1392
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 12: Aj Brown a fan. Okay, great, that'd be awesome, But

1393
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 12: what is what are you giving up to get him?

1394
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 12: Because if it's the right tackle, I'm going with that.

1395
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 12: And I'm not trying to be MEANTERI right tackle. I

1396
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 12: just think that, like I said, I want you well.

1397
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: It's more I mean, he's, you know, thirty four years old,

1398
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses. I mean, and yeah, usually the end of

1399
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: the first round that's where you might get a right tackle.

1400
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 12: With I'm not like, no, I'm not throwing shade. I

1401
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 12: just I want to give Drake May every single asset

1402
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 12: to succeed because it was so great. And I'm like

1403
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 12: a huge Hunter Henry Fan. Yeah, yeah, giant Hunter Henry

1404
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 12: Fan did a service trip last year with him and

1405
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 12: his wife and so the Herzlicks who were good BC kids,

1406
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 12: and we went to you know, we went to Africa

1407
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 12: and it was about anti human trafficking. So I would

1408
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 12: really like Hunter Henry to have like like conservatively how

1409
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 12: about twenty touchdowns?

1410
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: Are you with that?

1411
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Speaker 7: I think we could do that. I think comp that.

1412
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 4: And now great moments in history.

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01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, what happened to the garoppolo porn star? Has

1414
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 17: she made any headlines this week? I feel like she

1415
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 17: would come out and go on a show this week

1416
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 17: or something show. Yeah, go on a big radio show

1417
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 17: on Yeah, something like that. Maybe not an element, maybe

1418
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 17: like a fallon.

1419
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 7: He's got a weird side to him.

1420
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: He's got a weird side.

1421
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 4: He's got like this.

1422
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's got a weird side to him.

1423
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 4: That's his nickname. What his nickname on the team is?

1424
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 9: Why?

1425
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 4: I don't know what's stuck? Probably figure out I would

1426
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 4: have to click on things on Twitter to find out why,

1427
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 4: right have you?

1428
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Speaker 1: It's great baby, that's another great moment from.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're back here in Patriots Unfiltered. We're talking about

1430
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 2: the free agency, Taking your calls, taking your emails eight

1431
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 2: five five Pats five hundred is the hotline podcast at

1432
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: Patriots dot com. It's the email address so Paul and Coventry,

1433
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 2: Rhode Island. Pool says, this is the third offseason the

1434
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: Patriots have had to build around a quarterback. Knowing they

1435
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 2: were going that route in the twenty four draft, being

1436
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: March tenth. I'm not going to crush them, but the

1437
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: two highest paid offensive players currently on the team are

1438
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: both guards. The best they've done at wide receiver has

1439
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 2: been a one year reclamation project. Similarly, the offensive line

1440
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: has been underwhelming. While the schedule was considered easy last season,

1441
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: they played twelve games, including playoffs, against teams in the

1442
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: top half of the league in sacks. In those twelve games,

1443
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: they allowed forty nine. It wasn't just the playoffs where

1444
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: this line fell short. Between the shortcomings of the line

1445
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 2: and the lack of talent at wide receiver, how do

1446
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: the Patriots think this offense will take a step forward

1447
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 2: on offense against good teams?

1448
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:55,439
Speaker 4: I mean fair, it's a fair I think a little

1449
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 4: bit overly critical. I would just say you're right in

1450
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 4: that the two I pay guys on offense to two guards.

1451
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 4: But to suggest that that's where they've stopped in terms

1452
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 4: of adding, I mean, you used a first round pick

1453
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 4: on your left tackle, you used a fourth round pick,

1454
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 4: third round pick, third on Jared Wilson, third on your center.

1455
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 4: So you've made a lot of steps to fortify your

1456
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 4: offensive line. Now maybe you could say that they haven't

1457
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 4: done it well enough to your liking when you're citing

1458
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 4: all the stats there with the sacks allowed. And I'd

1459
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 4: also just I'm going to stay a little bit more

1460
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 4: patient in terms of the wide receiver.

1461
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 5: Because al Pearce really the only needle mover.

1462
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and you went back to the Colts,

1463
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 4: but you wouldn't feel great. I don't think if you

1464
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 4: know that they went out and gave the bag to

1465
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 4: one of these, you know, Romeo, Romeo Dobs and Juwan

1466
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 4: Jennings are going to make a fair amount of money,

1467
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 4: and I don't think that that would solve all your desires.

1468
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I would just say that players improve

1469
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: from especially young players in their first or second year.

1470
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: So what you saw out of rookie Jared Wilson at

1471
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: left guard and rookie Will Campbell left tackle is not

1472
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Speaker 1: necessarily what you're gonna see next year. Say what you're

1473
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: gonna see from Drake May and year two and Josh

1474
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: McDaniels system, where there's a lot on him deciding some

1475
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: of that pressure stuff as well, that you're gonna see

1476
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: some improvement there. So I just feel that stuff always

1477
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: gets lost in the wash. If they stunk last year,

1478
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna stink again, and no one leaves any room

1479
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: for guys to improve. And I think the coaching staff

1480
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: does do that, and you know, and they've challenged guys

1481
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: to get stronger and then to improve. It doesn't mean

1482
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna come in and be Pro Bowlers next year.

1483
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: But at a certain point, you can't just try to

1484
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: fill every single position that you didn't like how it

1485
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: performed last year. You've got to allow these guys to develop.

1486
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 5: I would I would just say sacks are quarterback stat

1487
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 5: Like if we're going to grade the offensive line, like,

1488
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 5: using sacks is not really a great barometer because nine

1489
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 5: times out of ten, the quarterback is the one that's

1490
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 5: controlling whether it's a sack.

1491
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Speaker 4: Wow.

1492
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are some sacks that are on

1493
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: the quarterback, But when it's that high end.

1494
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 5: Sacks are quarterbacks that like you when you look at

1495
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 5: time to throw, when you look at you know, scrambling quarterbacks,

1496
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 5: guys that like to move around. All those guys that

1497
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 5: are always near the top of the league in sacks taken.

1498
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 5: You know, this was a big thing for years and

1499
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 5: years and years with Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson would hold

1500
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 5: the ball, he'd run around, he'd take a lot of sacks.

1501
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 5: He'd also make a lot of plays. You know, Drake

1502
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 5: may is the same kind of way. So when you

1503
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 5: look at you know, the quarterbacks that get sacked the

1504
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 5: most nine times out of ten, those are the quarterbacks

1505
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 5: that hold the ball the most, that are mobile, that

1506
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 5: you know, are guys that can run around and move around.

1507
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 5: So like if you look at the offensive line last

1508
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 5: year certainly was not a finished product by any means,

1509
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 5: but substantial improvement from twenty four to twenty five on

1510
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 5: the line, and that deduce his point. A lot of

1511
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 5: those guys were young players, you know, two of them

1512
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 5: in particular, that you hope are going to get even

1513
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 5: better as we go forward here. So they went from

1514
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 5: thirty second in the league as an offensive line in

1515
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 5: twenty four to probably like middle of the pack in

1516
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 5: twenty five.

1517
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: Fast improvement.

1518
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 5: And then you said, acts in your two highest paid

1519
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 5: guys or guard. So they went out there and signed

1520
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 5: a really good pass blocking guard to try to improve

1521
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 5: it even more.

1522
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I would you know, just to piggyback on that,

1523
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 4: you took the line from twenty five, and now you

1524
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 4: go to twenty six and on paper, again that's dangerous.

1525
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 4: But on paper, theoretically you've improved the two positions.

1526
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: You know you hope, well you hope Wilson's better than

1527
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 2: Brad Burry.

1528
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 4: So no, I know that Vera Tucker's better than that.

1529
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 4: He's the one for one replacement. And what you hope

1530
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 4: is that Wilson moving to center, his natural position, improves

1531
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 4: him as well. So you have a better Wilson and

1532
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,959
Speaker 4: a better Vera Tucker. Again, that's on paper. Games aren't

1533
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 4: one on paper. So I'm not going to be a

1534
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 4: fraud and say, well you do you won the off season.

1535
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 4: I'm not doing that. I'm just saying in theory, they've

1536
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 4: addressed what they think was a problem. I know, as

1537
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 4: the season we're on last year, when you get sacked

1538
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 4: forty something times in the plug, whatever.

1539
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: It was, I definitely look at the A signing as

1540
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: helping Drake May What is it, Mike, it's a joke.

1541
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 7: It goes back to that question.

1542
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: Though you'd love to know a handful of guys love

1543
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: to know what they really think of them, Like Jared Wilson.

1544
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 7: We think he's going to be an All Pro center. Uh,

1545
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 7: Kyle Williams, he's going to think.

1546
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 4: He'll be a better center than he was a gun.

1547
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 4: That's all I'm willing to do.

1548
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: I just got a little overly positive there. But you know,

1549
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they have grand aspirations for some of

1550
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: these guys. Maybe they look at Elijah Ponder and say

1551
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: he can be Caleb Chason. And now again it's stretch maybe,

1552
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: but maybe they feel strongly about certain players that were

1553
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: underselling a little bit, and only they know.

1554
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 4: All of these things kind of happened. I would just

1555
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 4: put that entire personnel and.

1556
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: Coaching department, Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer,

1557
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer.

1558
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, fame, and you got Elijah Elijah.

1559
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: I figure that somebody has to say that man, because

1560
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: everyone writes in the well he's stunk.

1561
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 7: He's stunk, he's stunk.

1562
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 1: He started all year, but he's stunked to I didn't

1563
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:07,959
Speaker 1: really see enough out of Woods and he's stunk.

1564
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 4: Like you know, oh, Woodson played really I think Wilson's

1565
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 4: the one guy who played better and better as the

1566
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 4: season went on. I don't think people are saying he's stunk.

1567
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 2: Bring your New One Travis and West Virginia shout out

1568
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 2: to Deuce for getting Cynthia Freeland to flirt with him.

1569
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: She's a solid eight, solid eight.

1570
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 7: I didn't have to do anything.

1571
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 4: I just was interviewer.

1572
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 7: I think that's just that's that.

1573
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 4: Is people don't I don't think we objectified people like that.

1574
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 4: I think you're keep running it every two places, Paul,

1575
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 4: So you like my theater.

1576
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 5: I was thinking about that on the ride, and I

1577
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 5: was like, well, I could argue that they got better

1578
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 5: in two plays.

1579
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 4: Well that's what you have to hope. You have to

1580
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 4: hope because I because I.

1581
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 5: Am really convinced that Jared Wilson's gonna is a much

1582
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 5: better center than he is a guard. I am too,

1583
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 5: And I'm not sure if he's better than Bradbury yet,

1584
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 5: but I'm convinced that he's better.

1585
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 4: He might he might not be. But I'm also convinced

1586
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 4: that you got you sold high on Bradbury. You got

1587
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 4: the best that Bradbury was going to give you based

1588
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 4: on his track record, and I think he was fantastic

1589
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 4: for them last year, all things considered. But if you

1590
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 4: had to you know, so I know, Mike, you would

1591
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 4: probably bristle at this because everybody's everybody advances to the

1592
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,560
Speaker 4: All pro level. If you had to guess, would you

1593
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 4: say you would get better or worse played from Bradbury

1594
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 4: next year?

1595
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1596
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: Worse, I would think, I mean I would think worse.

1597
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: Weren't we on the fence with him coming out of

1598
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: Yes and you got to you got.

1599
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 4: A really solid year, not like an All Pro year

1600
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 4: or anything like that. But he played every game he

1601
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 4: posted he was he played well.

1602
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 2: I told you he would do.

1603
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 10: I did.

1604
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 4: I think you told me he was going to be

1605
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 4: a pro bowler out now?

1606
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 2: You guys pushed bad at Minnesota. He was really low

1607
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 2: in the past.

1608
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 4: He was bad. He bounced back off off a bad year.

1609
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 5: I thought, give him credit fine too, but he was fine.

1610
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 5: You know, I think you're hoping Jared Wilson has a

1611
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 5: much higher ceiling and just his body type, his athleticism,

1612
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 5: his play strength, like all of it fits better with

1613
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 5: him being a center. You know, all the people when

1614
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 5: they don't.

1615
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 4: Have power to guard at times, and I don't think

1616
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 4: that that's as likely to happen at center.

1617
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phones eight five five pats

1618
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,799
Speaker 2: five hundred, zach Is in New Hampshire.

1619
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 6: Hey Zach, Hey guys, thanks, thanks for taking my call.

1620
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 6: I just wanted to know if you thought there might

1621
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 6: be some potential receiver names we're not really hearing about

1622
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 6: in trade, like a guy like Marvin Harrison Junior, and

1623
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 6: what his scheme fit could be in that offense.

1624
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 18: And then also what your thoughts are on free agent

1625
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 18: linebacker Leoshanal.

1626
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: Thanks guys.

1627
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't, I mean, is there anything about Harrison

1628
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 4: just he's available?

1629
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 5: Just Twitter scuttle, But yeah, I don't.

1630
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I think much like the Brian Thomas stuff,

1631
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 4: I don't think it makes a lot of sense to

1632
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 4: do that.

1633
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got rid of your quarterback and now you're

1634
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: gonna get rid.

1635
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 5: Of The only argument would be is if like somebody

1636
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 5: is going to offer you something crazy and you're kind

1637
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 5: of in Arizona, you're kind of resetting, so like if

1638
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 5: somebody were going to offer you like multiple first round picks.

1639
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 4: But is someone going to offer you something crazy for

1640
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 4: a guy who's been by all accounts of disappointment through

1641
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 4: two years?

1642
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:10,520
Speaker 5: Oh, I think disappointments.

1643
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 4: You don't know whether that's but would you would you

1644
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 4: give up to Evans point like a first round pick,

1645
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 4: and like, I don't see Arizona trading. I mean they

1646
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 4: took they took him with like the fourth overall pick. Yeah,

1647
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 4: he was high.

1648
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 2: It was what do we know about Lee?

1649
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it didn't really live up to his draft type.

1650
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 5: You know, really good athlete, but like more of like

1651
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 5: a straight line athlete. But uh, I thought that he

1652
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 5: was gonna be much better pro kind of honestly. Uh

1653
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,959
Speaker 5: remember him in the draft and went to the combine

1654
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 5: at this crazy workout at like pretty heavy. He's like

1655
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 5: two fifty eight, two fifty plus, but he's like a

1656
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 5: downhill missile. Like that's a guy that's going to run

1657
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 5: into the line of scrimmage and blitz and stop the

1658
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 5: run and do that kind of stuff. And the change

1659
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 5: of direction and uh, you know, the feel and coverage

1660
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 5: was always a little bit of a concern with him,

1661
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 5: even coming out of college. So I mean, I don't

1662
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 5: hate the player. I just I think that, you know,

1663
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 5: everybody's kind of looking for somebody to play off of

1664
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 5: Robert Spolaine. That's a little bit better than like a

1665
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 5: Christian Ellis. I just don't know if you need a

1666
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 5: Leoshanall if he's going to make any sort of sizeable

1667
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 5: money in free agency. It's a really really good linebacker class,

1668
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 5: and you'd probably rather get younger and cheaper and try

1669
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 5: to develop somebody behind Spolaine instead of, you know, doing

1670
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 5: the free agency round.

1671
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 2: Michelle, who loves it when I call it, when I

1672
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 2: call her Salata got almost as much as Cynthia loves it,

1673
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 2: just calls her sin.

1674
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 4: Uh.

1675
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: She says there'll never be another Mankins. Just so we're clear,

1676
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 2: But does Vera Tucker went healthy have a bit of

1677
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 2: his nastiness? I'd love to see that.

1678
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think he's a lot more

1679
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 5: like Joe Toney than he is like Logan Mankins. I

1680
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:01,839
Speaker 5: don't think that he's really.

1681
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 19: Like.

1682
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 7: He's not a technician.

1683
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's really athletic, great movement skills, great pass blocker,

1684
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 5: great technician with his hands, but not a maller.

1685
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, jump on top of you on the ground,

1686
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: I mean play, No, you guys would know more.

1687
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 4: Did he play tackle at USC?

1688
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 5: He did. He played a year left tackle at USC.

1689
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 5: He played a year of right tackle with the Jets.

1690
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 4: I know he played some tackle.

1691
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 5: He's played both guards spots. He played four spots on

1692
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 5: the line, just not center, so he's played everywhere. He

1693
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 5: is another short arms guy, short arms, small wingspan, so

1694
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 5: another narrowly built human which really took tackle on that side.

1695
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 5: It was my one nitpick, but that that that's the tackle.

1696
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 5: Like if if you had to play him at right

1697
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 5: tackle in a pinch like Morgan Moses got hurt and

1698
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:00,560
Speaker 5: you had to play him at right tackle for a

1699
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 5: game or two, I think you can do it, and

1700
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 5: like like okay, and kind of like Mike on Win

1701
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 5: like you know, like I think you could move him

1702
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 5: outside if you had to, kind of like mancons but

1703
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 5: not his natural spot, kind of like Macons kind of

1704
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 5: like kind of like man. Yeah, that's my one nippin

1705
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 5: though is he's Yes, he has a seventy six and

1706
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 5: seven eighths inch wingspan, which is smaller than Will Campbell's

1707
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 5: and he only has thirty two and eighth in charms.

1708
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 4: So we're not at guard.

1709
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 5: We're talking about God. Like I was hoping they were

1710
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 5: going to kind of like supplement Campibell with like a

1711
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 5: wide body dollar this is more of like a very

1712
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 5: high level pass protector than it is.

1713
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 4: That would you have liked David Edwards more than Yes, but.

1714
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,879
Speaker 5: David Edwards was more expensive barely.

1715
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 4: Well, I don't we don't really don't know what the

1716
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 4: guarantee money is, but I mean average annual value. I

1717
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 4: think Edward's got fifteen million, yeah, and this got fourteen, right, and.

1718
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 5: He got eleven three years forty two. Mike can value

1719
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 5: of forty eight if he like seven Pro Bowls with

1720
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:01,799
Speaker 5: the Patriots.

1721
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: Mike and Wilmington writes in question for Paul and the

1722
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 2: group on their favorite topic of free agent contracts. Paul

1723
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 2: notorious that's fourteen, doesn't care about money and thinks the

1724
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 2: player is either good or not bad.

1725
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, sorry, I'm doing math over here.

1726
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 2: Should I read that again so you can hear it?

1727
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 10: Well?

1728
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: Three years it eleven is thirty three finish okay, yeah,

1729
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: forty two is yeah, fortying maths, that's a big difference.

1730
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 4: He's fair, he's right, cap right. Again, we don't know

1731
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 4: the guarantee, so maybe the guarantees, what the injury history is.

1732
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, there's a little bit less than David Edwards.

1733
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 4: That's all.

1734
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 2: I'll read this again. Question for Paul and the group.

1735
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 2: Paul notoriously doesn't care about money and thinks the player

1736
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 2: is either good or not. If Kaishan body is Kaishan

1737
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 2: Boody a good or bad player, I'd say good. But

1738
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 2: if we were paying him fifteen million verse thirty million,

1739
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 2: I'd be so expecting more than what he's historically been.

1740
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 2: Contracts matter for pecking order. There's no issue with paying

1741
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 2: market value for guys as long as they play to

1742
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 2: the role of that value. If we pay someone like

1743
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 2: a two or a three, the job as a two

1744
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: or three is safe. If we pay someone like a one,

1745
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: they likely will become a future cap casualty. It's not

1746
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 2: about good bad, it's about expected production from their fit.

1747
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 4: Thank you, Andy Hart. Everything everything he wrote is exactly right.

1748
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 4: I can't argue with any of that. That was a

1749
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 4: gross exaggeration of my point. But that's an Andy Hart argument. Well,

1750
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 4: if you give Hi him thirty million, do you still

1751
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 4: think he's a good player. No, Vakaishan Boody's not a

1752
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,959
Speaker 4: thirty million dollar player. So you can't just give everybody

1753
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 4: number one receiver money if they're valuable. I get that. Congratulations.

1754
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: Be surprised you haven't heard extend booty like you know? No,

1755
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: yeah right, I'm not surprised you have a lot of

1756
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: people are very high on him, I mean pretty higher

1757
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 1: than we are.

1758
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 4: He's no one more so than fred.

1759
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 2: I like his upside I do.

1760
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 4: I mean, like the year he's going to make the

1761
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 4: year five leap.

1762
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 2: I think now he's something clicked last year.

1763
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's one of the closest things. I mean,

1764
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: EVE been talking about they can't draft wide receivers.

1765
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 7: He's the closest thing. Come.

1766
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 5: I just think that we're going into year four. Yeah,

1767
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,560
Speaker 5: this is probably what he is. What he is, and

1768
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 5: that's not a bad player, Like he's an NFL player

1769
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 5: and like a productive player.

1770
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 2: But as Drake May improves, I think those around him

1771
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 2: will as well.

1772
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 5: I just don't know. I don't know. I think this

1773
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 5: is five point fifty six hundred yard receiver. Like we

1774
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 5: all like Booty, But I just am telling you, I

1775
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,879
Speaker 5: just don't think that. Like like you guys can disagree.

1776
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 1: I just like feel like, I mean, I feel like

1777
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: we're all in the same place.

1778
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 7: We all like him.

1779
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 1: But you know, for a player that you drafted as

1780
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, that everyone is obsessful wide receivers that

1781
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: you've developed and had some good season, nobody's really saying Oh,

1782
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: they should get in now and extend Booty in.

1783
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 4: You you know, I don't think every team has the

1784
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 4: guys that the Patriots are searching for.

1785
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 5: Just how does where does the volume in his like?

1786
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,560
Speaker 5: How does he expand to a higher volume role? Like

1787
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 5: what's the because right now he's a go ball specialist.

1788
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,480
Speaker 5: He catches won a game. If you're you know, maybe how.

1789
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 2: How amount of passes per game? How do the Patriots

1790
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 2: rank in the league? Pass attempts per game?

1791
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 5: Uh, they were pretty high last year.

1792
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 2: They were high.

1793
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Drake is.

1794
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 2: Early because you know, when Drake was having good games,

1795
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 2: you throw the ball twenty five times?

1796
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 7: They were Yeah, they were twenty third in passing twenty third.

1797
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not high. Well I'm talking about draw I

1798
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 5: go by dropbacks. Okay, because he scrambles.

1799
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well yeah but amount of time thrown, yeah,

1800
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:47,959
Speaker 2: might increase.

1801
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 4: But would that be a bad thing?

1802
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 17: No?

1803
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 2: I think that.

1804
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 4: I think it will be because they might not have

1805
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 4: the lead the whole second half of every game like

1806
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 4: they did last year, which is why that number was so.

1807
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 2: Long, whatever the whatever, the reason the number was lower.

1808
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 4: No, because because they'll play I mean arguably they played

1809
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 4: thirteen or fourteen games exactly the way they wanted to

1810
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 4: play them. Right, We're going to get the lead at

1811
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 4: the half, We're going to play Katie by the door

1812
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 4: in the second half and lean on the defense and

1813
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 4: run the ball and get out of here with a win.

1814
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,879
Speaker 4: But because are playing teams that were overwhelming, maybe.

1815
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 2: In the second year with Josh McDaniel's being with Drake May,

1816
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 2: he feels more comfortable airing it out a little bit more,

1817
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 2: and not because of necessity.

1818
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,839
Speaker 5: Tenth in total dropbacks last.

1819
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 2: Because I want to because we can do it, and

1820
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 2: because it's more effective, as you would agree.

1821
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 4: I want to throw the ball, you know that, Yeah,

1822
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 4: but I'm not necessarily saying that like that's going to

1823
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 4: be great for like the production like you might. You're

1824
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 4: not going to complete seventy three percent if you've start

1825
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 4: throwing the ball more than that. That's one of the

1826
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 4: reasons why the.

1827
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 2: Sod opportunities for a guy like Booty.

1828
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,799
Speaker 5: I would just wondering more like what true what branches

1829
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 5: at the tree? Is he adding to his repertoire to

1830
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 5: get to a higher volume, because like the the go

1831
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 5: balls on the outside are a low percentage play that

1832
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 5: is only going to happen so many times a game.

1833
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 5: So like deep in cuts, he's good at those, two

1834
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 5: he's okay at those like are deep in cut slants?

1835
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 17: Like is that?

1836
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 4: Like?

1837
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 5: How are we getting him from? What was he like

1838
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 5: the forty catches last year? Thirty five counties? Yeah, to

1839
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 5: sixty And it's it's not going to be just because

1840
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 5: Drake May throws him an extra go ball every single game.

1841
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 5: That's not going to get him there. So like you

1842
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,520
Speaker 5: have to expand his repertoire.

1843
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I have faith in the coaches to be able

1844
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 2: to do that.

1845
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 4: Okay, I could I mean I could see him.

1846
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 5: I mean he might be right.

1847
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 4: I mean thirty three is a pretty low number. I

1848
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 4: mean I could see him increasing that.

1849
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it hit forty three two years ago.

1850
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's why I said thirty three is are pretty

1851
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 4: low number.

1852
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: He went up for yards perception from thirteen point seven

1853
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: to sixteen point seven.

1854
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 5: But it was like in twenty four and twenty five

1855
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 5: it was kind of the same, right.

1856
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yards per game thirty nine point three

1857
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 1: thirty nine point four.

1858
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I would also saylast year was more impactful

1859
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 4: because they were you know, two years two years ago,

1860
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 4: someone had to catch the ball. Last year, they were

1861
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 4: you know, big, big plays that resulted in helping them

1862
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 4: win games, you know, much better in my view.

1863
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 5: Like figure out a way to be more productive on

1864
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 5: first and second level targets. Like what's like something else that.

1865
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 4: To your point. I don't really like him on slants

1866
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 4: like they them and he kind of like he has

1867
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 4: great hands, but like there were a few times that

1868
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 4: I looked at he kind of have that one like

1869
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 4: that seemed to me again very anecdotal, like kind of

1870
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 4: like low ones that went off his hands and stuff.

1871
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 4: I like him better down the field. But maybe that's right.

1872
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 4: Maybe Evan's got it and that's how he expands the

1873
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,520
Speaker 4: He caught a million of those. I remember.

1874
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 5: The guy on the rams now that was drafted by

1875
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 5: the Commanders. Yeah, right, dusted them like seventy yards.

1876
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 4: Totally know what you're talking about it LSU. Yes, that's

1877
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 4: what he got on everyone's radar.

1878
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, maybe that's the type of we could add

1879
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 5: go back to that and add some of that in.

1880
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 5: But it seems like he's going to catch his big

1881
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 5: bomb once a game and come back to close the game. Yeah,

1882
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 5: nothing wrong with that.

1883
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 2: Yep, big on, booty. Let's go back to the phones.

1884
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 2: Christians in LA. What's up Christian.

1885
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 8: Hey you guys, Hey you guys, Hey, you guys. I

1886
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 8: just wanted to give you guys a shout out here

1887
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 8: and some flowers, because as things get crazier out outside

1888
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 8: of our houses and outside in the world, it seems like,

1889
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 8: you know, an escapism is need, and you guys provide

1890
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 8: a great way to just sit back and listen to

1891
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 8: something that actually makes sense. Right, So as the world

1892
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 8: starts making sense, you guys make more sense. So thank

1893
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 8: you very much for that, just in general. But onto football,

1894
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 8: I don't really know what Mike Braibile is doing. It

1895
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 8: seems to me like he doesn't.

1896
01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 11: Super Bowl window now.

1897
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 8: He's still sort of building and trying to figure out

1898
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 8: what this team is.

1899
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not thinking the right way, but when you

1900
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 3: go to a Super Bowl, doesn't that begin your Super

1901
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 3: Bowl window? Am I thinking about it incorrectly?

1902
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 12: No?

1903
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 2: I don't. I would hope that they think that there

1904
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 2: should be viable contenders in twenty six. I hope they're

1905
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 2: not thinking that twenty six is now a rebuilding year

1906
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,679
Speaker 2: or you know, a gateway to twenty seven.

1907
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting question, Yeah, because it goes

1908
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 4: to like what they what they honestly think of how

1909
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 4: how much progress they made last year, and how much

1910
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 4: it was sort of, you know, a perfect storm.

1911
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1912
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I do think that they probably look at

1913
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 4: it and say, yeah, we're maybe we're further advanced in

1914
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 4: our rebuild than we thought, but we still have some

1915
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 4: work to do in the rebuild.

1916
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1917
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 4: I think that's why Chris.

1918
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 2: You don't you say you don't know what Rabel's doing.

1919
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 2: What would you have done so far?

1920
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 3: So I would have made sure I got one of

1921
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 3: those those premium linebackers, anything, just to we know there's edge,

1922
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 3: there's edge players in the draft. Development will maybe maybe

1923
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 3: we get lucky someone drops or whatever, but we really

1924
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 3: do need a rangy middle linebacker, just just sort of

1925
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 3: sure things. And in my estimation, guys, here's what I

1926
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 3: would do thinking about our pick. We can get the

1927
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 3: number six, you know, wide receiver, number six, guard number six,

1928
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 3: number four of this and that we can get the

1929
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 3: number two safety right on the board. We pair her

1930
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 3: with Christian Gonzales. Okay, now the defense, the back end.

1931
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 3: We got the back end for the.

1932
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 20: Next ten years let's say we can we can focus

1933
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 20: on some other things. But it seems like to me,

1934
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 20: we're just not taking the shots to make us feel

1935
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 20: like as fans, we believe we're in our window. We're

1936
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 20: a piece of two away.

1937
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 5: I don't think they think they're.

1938
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 4: A yeah, and that's what I'm saying. I think it's

1939
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 4: an interesting conversation. Because they went to the Super Bowl.

1940
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 4: I think people are thinking like I don't think that's Christian.

1941
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 4: I don't think they think like that.

1942
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,759
Speaker 5: No, I think they're more thinking, let's stay the course.

1943
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 5: And part of staying the course is they have eleven

1944
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 5: draft picks, and maybe they're a little bit lower than

1945
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 5: they wanted them. You know, we thought they were going

1946
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 5: to be because of going to the Super Bowl.

1947
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 4: Evan truth just came out there.

1948
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 2: We just went back to.

1949
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 5: Watching some great watching them get killed in the super Bowl.

1950
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 5: It was fantastic. So, you know, but they have eleven

1951
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 5: draft picks. If you then all of a sudden go

1952
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,799
Speaker 5: out and start trading away all those draft picks for players,

1953
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 5: it might be that instant gratification thing of like this

1954
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 5: is really cool, but is that the best long term

1955
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 5: interest to the team.

1956
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 4: So the other part of it is just remember how

1957
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 4: much money they spent last year in free agency on

1958
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 4: a bunch of guys that will not just continue to

1959
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 4: be the guy like you know, you talk about the

1960
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 4: young guys, Mike when they don't play well right away

1961
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 4: and everybody just says, well they stink. We talked about

1962
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 4: brad Berry, you know, do you think he was going

1963
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 4: which way up or down? You know, it's the same

1964
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 4: thing with a handful of guys that they signed to Moses.

1965
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 4: You know they're going to have to replace Harold Landry, Carlton, Davis, Morgan, Moses.

1966
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 4: These are guys that were key elements of what they

1967
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 4: did last year. I'm not sure that you are expecting

1968
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 4: them to be part of a super Bowl team in

1969
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 4: twenty seven. So that's why for the argument for staying

1970
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 4: the course that Evan just that's why you can't fall

1971
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 4: into well, we get that last year, so that's going

1972
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 4: to be the same this year. You don't know how

1973
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 4: that's going to but you have to sort of plan

1974
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 4: for that.

1975
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 5: Just listening to them at the combine, there was obvious

1976
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 5: optimism and an upbeat vibe about what they just came

1977
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 5: off of. But I still I think that staying the

1978
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 5: course was kind of the message of like, we're not

1979
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 5: we were in the super Bowl, but we were in

1980
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 5: a super Bowl team, and we're going to kind of

1981
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 5: be deliberate about going.

1982
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 4: To be prudent.

1983
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 5: Now, that doesn't mean they can't go out there and

1984
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 5: make trades and make moves, but it just me and

1985
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 5: we all want.

1986
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 4: Them to do everything they can to be as as

1987
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 4: productive and as as successful as they can. Right, So

1988
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 4: we're all looking for wide receivers, we're all looking for

1989
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 4: edge rushers for Mike. So Mike is happy and Christian no.

1990
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 4: But Christian's point about the linebacker too. Splain is another

1991
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 4: guy that I would kind of put in that category.

1992
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 4: You saw somewhere and tear there, you know, so what

1993
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 4: like they you know, they don't have a lot around that.

1994
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 4: So Evan and Mike, they were at the combine. They

1995
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 4: tell me about this linebacker class. You know, this off

1996
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 4: ball linebacker class is maybe a little bit a little

1997
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 4: bit better than a normal year. So yeah, I think

1998
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 4: Christian's right to be looking for some of those guys.

1999
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 5: Like you could go out and sign Devin Lloyd signed

2000
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 5: last night, Leosh and people are calling it is still

2001
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 5: a free agent. I just if you draft a linebacker,

2002
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 5: you know, early on day two or something like that,

2003
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 5: is that a better investment? Where like, now we're going

2004
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 5: to try to develop this guy so that one Splain

2005
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 5: does run out of gas in the tank, we're passing

2006
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 5: the torch to the younger guy, and we're kind of

2007
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 5: already have that there. Maybe he plays off of Spleen

2008
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 5: at the beginning part of his career to get on

2009
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 5: the field.

2010
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 4: It's a great argument though, too, Like that's how I

2011
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 4: think we all feel, you know, Fred, you know, the

2012
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 4: three of us spent a lot of time talking about

2013
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 4: this crap in the think tank.

2014
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 5: Yeah downstairs, at least we have the whole thing mapped out,

2015
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 5: we do think.

2016
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't but but yes, yes, but I would not, like,

2017
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm very argumentative, as you guys all know.

2018
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 4: I wouldn't like take someone to task for calling and saying,

2019
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 4: they went to the Super Bowl last year, they should

2020
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 4: absolutely be treating themselves like they are a Super Bowl team,

2021
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 4: not a team that went to the Super Bowl. They

2022
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 4: were a piece or to it. I wouldn't strongly push

2023
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 4: back on that. I would disagree, but I understand why

2024
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 4: as a fan, Well, we just went why can't we

2025
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 4: go again? You know, I understand that that line.

2026
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 5: Especially, it was like looking at the rest of the AFC, like,

2027
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 5: really hasn't gotten all that much better?

2028
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 2: How About we won the AFC East, we can win

2029
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: it again. How about that? So if that's the case,

2030
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 2: let's go.

2031
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: And I just I think something needs to be said

2032
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: that Mike Rabel is a hell of a football coach,

2033
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 1: and I think you put together a hell of a

2034
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: team last year despite some weaknesses that they had. And

2035
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: I think Drake May is probably the most promising young

2036
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league right now going into year three.

2037
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: So for all the things that we nitpick about their

2038
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: positional needs and what they need, they're starting from a

2039
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: really good place right now. And I just I continue

2040
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: to believe in the program that he's established and the

2041
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,520
Speaker 1: coaching job that he's going to do with Josh McDaniels

2042
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 1: on the offense, with Drake developing, it's not like you're

2043
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: starting from scratch or I get that maybe it's not

2044
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: a piece or two away, but you sure aren't as

2045
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 1: far as a way as you were two or two years.

2046
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 5: Brabel's like ability to have like a vision for how

2047
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 5: players fit into the into the scheme that they're going

2048
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 5: to run, and how they're going to use them all

2049
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff. Like we're talking about all these

2050
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 5: free agents from last year. Not all of them are

2051
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 5: Millon Williams, you know, Like some of them are Kiris, Toga,

2052
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:58,440
Speaker 5: Roberts Blaine, you know, and like those guys outperform their contracts,

2053
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 5: and like what I I'm not saying, like I think

2054
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 5: Draymond Jones is fine, but maybe they think that in

2055
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 5: our system, with our coaching, with our we're gonna make

2056
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 5: him have a chase On season where he's guys a

2057
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 5: little bit of a breakout.

2058
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 1: That's another positive piece of what I just said was

2059
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: that you saw guys improve last year. You saw guys

2060
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: get performances that you didn't know you were going to get.

2061
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 1: A guy like Jalen Hawkins who played pretty well, you know,

2062
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 1: Tonga who had a really good year and then earns

2063
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: a three year deal. You don't know what chase On

2064
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: is going to earn. But that to me is incredibly

2065
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 1: promising that because I don't think we saw that in

2066
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: recent years around here. We didn't see players reach new

2067
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: levels or improving away. If anything, it was in the

2068
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: opposite direction where you didn't get the kind of performances

2069
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: you hope that out of guys. So now I just

2070
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: think that there has to be an underlying sense of

2071
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: optimism based on that season and every year every team

2072
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: is going through what the Patriots are going trying to

2073
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: fill holes, trying to balance the budget, figure all that

2074
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: stuff out.

2075
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 7: But you got to coach, you got a quarterback, just

2076
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 7: continue to draft.

2077
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 1: Well, this free agency stuff, it's you know, it's it

2078
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: kind of comes and goes.

2079
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 7: Like I like what they're doing so far.

2080
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 5: I just wonder too with Vera Tucker, you know, Frank

2081
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 5: Perino and Doc Whale and are two of the best

2082
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 5: of the business at their jobs, Like can they keep

2083
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 5: them healthy?

2084
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2085
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 5: Can they keep them on the field.

2086
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 4: But maybe maybe.

2087
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 5: Maybe the Jets were doing things. Let's face it, it's

2088
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 5: the Jets, right, they don't often do a lot of

2089
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 5: things right, so you know, maybe that's was part of it.

2090
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 5: Like maybe they put him on a program and they

2091
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 5: ramp him up in the training camp and.

2092
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 4: Get them off the pick.

2093
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, what kind of chicken. I'm just saying, like these things,

2094
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 5: like they were able to keep Morgan Moses on two

2095
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 5: feet for.

2096
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 1: Off yep, right, it'll be like you're not using your

2097
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: arms today in practice use your we're protecting arms are short.

2098
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 5: So maybe it's like.

2099
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 2: Zach and Cincinnati. I know the optics of getting hype

2100
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 2: for a fullback signing, but seeing Buffalo social media have

2101
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 2: a bit of a meltdown tells me that it's an

2102
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 2: absolutely home run of an acquisition. Huge upgrade over west Over,

2103
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 2: excited to see how this translates into our running game.

2104
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:03,839
Speaker 2: I could drink the Buffalo tears as a pre workout

2105
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 2: that said, is it a J Brown or bust?

2106
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 12: Now?

2107
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 5: No, But I'm with you on Gilliam. It's my favorite

2108
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 5: signing really.

2109
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2110
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,600
Speaker 5: I just I think that schematically, there's a lot of

2111
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 5: different things that you can do with a full back.

2112
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 5: I'm pretty like pretty much every single guy that I

2113
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 5: look at as like the great play callers in the

2114
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 5: league use a full back. You know, the way that

2115
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 5: you can create blocking advantages, you know, formations, things like that.

2116
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 5: It's it's a it's a sneaky good thing, like it's

2117
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 5: a sneaky good thing to have.

2118
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 4: And about the full back world, I saw him and

2119
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 4: ar Cans going back and forth.

2120
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, McDaniel took his full back from Miami and

2121
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 5: brought him with him to the Chargers, like Miami released

2122
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 5: him after McDaniel got fired, and he said, hey, we

2123
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 5: better go get alecld I need him.

2124
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 1: Cohler right like the block the best blocking tight end

2125
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 1: in the league, as they announced him.

2126
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:58,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, Jim Harbaugh is going to Jim Harbaugh.

2127
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 2: I guess Trent and Sylvan Lake. He says, I'm glad

2128
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 2: Pierce is back in Indy. Excuse my ignorance, but how

2129
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 2: does an Alec Pierce type change the way defenses will play?

2130
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,759
Speaker 2: The Patriots defense has already played with deep safeties because

2131
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 2: of how effective May is with the deep ball. Seems

2132
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 2: like adding this type of wide receiver would be playing

2133
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: into the way defenses already line up against you. They

2134
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 2: should focus more on a possession receiver, especially in a

2135
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels offense. A dependable target who will constantly move

2136
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 2: the chains is extremely valuable. People claim to be clamoring

2137
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 2: or people seem to be clamoring for a fifty to

2138
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 2: fifty ball receiver, but May doesn't throw a lot of

2139
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty balls. May is great at throwing receivers open.

2140
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 2: I was going to say, are there any good possession

2141
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 2: receivers in the draft? Would who would be a dream

2142
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 2: target in the draft to add to for dre for May?

2143
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 2: A tight end, a slot or a wide receiver.

2144
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 7: There's my question.

2145
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer, but what is Drake May's

2146
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 1: ideal possessions?

2147
01:33:59,160 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 4: Last?

2148
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 5: Like a possession of receiver? Who's available Stan Diggs?

2149
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 4: So just on this email here, just schematically Okay, So

2150
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 4: how do you think that the offense looked in the playoffs?

2151
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 4: When do you think Stefan Diggs was the same guy

2152
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 4: in the playoffs as he was during the regular season.

2153
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 4: My guess is bet that you would answer that no.

2154
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 4: So all of these defenses that are so worried about

2155
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 4: getting beat deep completely took away your your volume guy

2156
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 4: underneath in the playoffs when when the games mattered. So theoretically,

2157
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 4: and I'm not telling you that this would happen, but theoretically,

2158
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 4: Pierce requires more attention than Kaishaan Boody as that outside

2159
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 4: deep threat, and maybe he does take some of the

2160
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 4: coverage away from whoever the guy that's filling the Stefan

2161
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 4: Diggs role would be. That's why some people were clamoring

2162
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 4: for quote unquote a fifty to fifty ball guy.

2163
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 2: And people were saying that in that offense, he'd get

2164
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 2: actually more production in this offense because he'd be more

2165
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 2: the guys.

2166
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 4: I would have signed off on the same production. You know,

2167
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 4: give me fifty catches for a thousand yards while occupying

2168
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 4: the you know, the the deep safeties and let someone

2169
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 4: underneath saying yeah.

2170
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are saying.

2171
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 5: I mean it's obviously not at the same level, but

2172
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 5: like it's mass and Welker, right like that, that's that's

2173
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 5: the the way way you were looking.

2174
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:26,640
Speaker 2: At it is like the question is who's your Welca Right,

2175
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 2: that's a big question.

2176
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 5: And you know he asked about the draft. There are

2177
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 5: a number of guys in there. I think like Casey

2178
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 5: Concepcion and Omar Cooper Junior are probably the two most

2179
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 5: well known ones that are going to be available potentially

2180
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 5: at thirty one. I'm a cacc guy. Omar Cooper Junior

2181
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,959
Speaker 5: is a really good player too, though, really good prospects.

2182
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 4: Like both of those guys were for me to be

2183
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:48,560
Speaker 4: on board with.

2184
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 5: Both guys, yeah, they're they're both good good kind of

2185
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 5: different but similar at the same time. You know, both

2186
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 5: guys that can win over the middle of the field,

2187
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 5: that can move the chains, but are a little bit

2188
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 5: more explosive. I would say, like after the catch with

2189
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 5: the ball in their hands a little bit more so

2190
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 5: I would say he's more explosive. Cooper is a better

2191
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 5: ball carrier. He's like prefer to bring down. He's got

2192
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:13,640
Speaker 5: more contact balance distinction there. I like that Concepcion's explosive,

2193
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 5: Like that guy can really move.

2194
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 2: Tim and Boston has two questions. First, what are the

2195
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 2: run blocking for his pass protection numbers for AVT? What's

2196
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:24,679
Speaker 2: his best run scheme fit.

2197
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 5: He's actually you know, well, I mean he only really

2198
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 5: played in the zone scheming with the Jets, so I

2199
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 5: can't really say he can't do anything else. He just

2200
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 5: wasn't really asked to do a ton else with the Jets.

2201
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,560
Speaker 5: But his best ability as a run blocker is his

2202
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 5: ability to get out of his stance and get on

2203
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 5: the move, whether that's reaching you know, blocks on the

2204
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage or getting up to the second level

2205
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 5: of the defense combination blocks poles, but mostly reach blocks

2206
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 5: on the line of scrimmage, where like there'll be a

2207
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 5: guy that'll be inside of him and he's able to

2208
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,560
Speaker 5: get around, scoop him and turn him inside out, and

2209
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 5: like those are the types of things that get run.

2210
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:00,640
Speaker 5: Gets runs going up the field is when you make

2211
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 5: those blocks on the line of scrimmage. So watching him

2212
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 5: a little bit, like he gets out of his stance

2213
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 5: really quickly, you know, really has a lot of very

2214
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 5: good movement skills. I don't think he's a road grader,

2215
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 5: Like he's not gonna He's not like a big time

2216
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:18,919
Speaker 5: people mover. But when you think about Wilson Vera, Tucker Campbell,

2217
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 5: like we're talking about a lot of athleticism going left,

2218
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,879
Speaker 5: Like that's that's three guys that are high end athletes

2219
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 5: at their position that can really move.

2220
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,559
Speaker 2: His second point is more of a point now a question.

2221
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 2: All of our eggs are in the AJ Brown or

2222
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas junior basket and other teams know it. As

2223
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 2: the offseason progresses, we're gonna continue losing leverage in those negotiations.

2224
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 2: My fear is we'll be forced into getting fleeced in

2225
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 2: a trade or going into the draft with a glaring hole,

2226
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 2: which we've discussed leads to dangerously risky picks. I'm scared. Fred,

2227
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 2: help me feel better.

2228
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 4: No, I get it.

2229
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 7: I mean I feel the same way.

2230
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it does feel like you're kind of obsessed

2231
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: with three guys right now of you know, varying degrees

2232
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: of interest or possibility, And I mean, are you kind

2233
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 1: of handcuffed right now? And this is this goes back

2234
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 1: to I think what Rabel said, like, you know, it's

2235
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 1: hard to get that player in free agency. You need

2236
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to draft somebody in the

2237
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: first two days of the draft and let them develop

2238
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 1: into a superstar. It's it's it's hard playing this game

2239
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 1: every off season where you're trying to find Randy Moss.

2240
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 5: If they went to the draft and wide receiver was

2241
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 5: the glaring number one need I understand, like we've all

2242
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 5: been saying it, they don't have a good history there.

2243
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 5: It's scary to think that they would really have the

2244
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 5: all the eggs in that basket. But I am cautiously

2245
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 5: optimistic that there's gonna be guys available that should be

2246
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 5: going in that range of the draft that they would

2247
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 5: be able to select.

2248
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like I'm not size that you would

2249
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 4: like that aren't reaches.

2250
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, And even if like let's say they get to

2251
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 5: that point in the draft and wide receiver is really

2252
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 5: this glaring need like there's nothing preventing them from trading

2253
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 5: up a little bit to make sure that they get

2254
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,919
Speaker 5: the guy. And you know, maybe that's the more aggressive

2255
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:02,759
Speaker 5: that they take is where it's move up eight spots

2256
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 5: to make sure that we get Casey Concepci owner, we

2257
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,639
Speaker 5: get Omar Cooper Junior, and jump some of the teams

2258
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:10,879
Speaker 5: that are around them that might be you know, like Buffalo,

2259
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, is a couple of spots ahead of them

2260
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 5: right like they're gonna be a wide receiver team most likely?

2261
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 5: Like so can you leap frog somebody and get one

2262
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 5: of those guys?

2263
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 4: All right?

2264
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 2: Back to the phones? Eight five five pats five hundred.

2265
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 2: Eldridge is in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred? Hey?

2266
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 9: Tell the hell y'all doing today?

2267
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, Paul.

2268
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 9: Evan, you did wrong on both Okay, boy Brown and

2269
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:40,679
Speaker 9: who I don't think on A J. Brown? He still

2270
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 9: can get deep, he still get open, and he can out.

2271
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 9: He can run past corners. The problem is is Jalen Hurst.

2272
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:47,240
Speaker 9: You wouldn't hit him?

2273
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 4: Who am I? I don't know who we're talking about?

2274
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 5: J Brown?

2275
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 9: A J. Brown? So here saying, well, you don't think

2276
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 9: he still can get open?

2277
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 2: He just didn't get.

2278
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 9: No excuse me.

2279
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 5: I think is something like if you're thinking that you're

2280
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 5: getting a J. Brown to like stretch the field vertically

2281
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,640
Speaker 5: at this stage of his career, that's it's just not it.

2282
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 5: I don't see that. Like I think he can win

2283
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 5: down the field, Okay, Like you can see a guy

2284
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 5: that wins kind of like Booty does with you know,

2285
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:21,560
Speaker 5: like body positioning, strong hands at the catch point. You

2286
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 5: know that that's definitely something that he can still do.

2287
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 5: I just don't see him like threatening guys with speed

2288
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 5: like he did early on in his career. But he

2289
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,680
Speaker 5: definitely can still win the ball down the field. I

2290
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 5: mean he's probably one of the best at that in

2291
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 5: the league just because of how strong he is and

2292
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 5: how good his hands are.

2293
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 9: Can ask you one more question, sure, okay, why do

2294
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:44,560
Speaker 9: we keep want to get the same guy that you

2295
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:47,639
Speaker 9: got on the field. I mean, you got a bunch

2296
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 9: of ke and Omar Coop. You know what you steal guys,

2297
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 9: you got them there, you know, why not get ex

2298
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 9: like you said, like Mouston Wilker and just going I

2299
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 9: know we have a hard time with Wolf drafting. But

2300
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:06,760
Speaker 9: like I said, before you got Hurst, you gonna have

2301
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 9: my boy Chris Brasel at thirty one. But I would

2302
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 9: get Hurst at thirty one to Hurst down it in

2303
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 9: the fifth round range. But Brassele gonna be there about

2304
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 9: middle of the second. He's just like a J. Pierce

2305
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 9: three or six four, four to three. They can catch

2306
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 9: and he can't block. So I don't understand it, but didn't.

2307
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 5: Again either way, we were just talking about replacing digs

2308
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 5: and like not replacing digs with Chris Brasel, But if

2309
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 5: they want to go that direction, I'm all on board.

2310
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 5: Like I said that the combine that after he ran

2311
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 5: a four to three whatever it was, I was like, yep,

2312
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 5: this guy, this guy's on the board, give it to me.

2313
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 5: But we just were talking Moss and Welker. That still

2314
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 5: doesn't solve your Welker problem. Like you might have you know,

2315
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:52,600
Speaker 5: dollar store Moss, but you know who's Welker.

2316
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 2: Ford and Savannah writes in they need to pull the

2317
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 2: trigger on AJ Brown a sap else you'd be giving

2318
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 2: tree May a number one receiver for three years at

2319
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 2: the age of twenty nine, thirty and thirty one. Trade

2320
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 2: them this year, second and next year's first and make

2321
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 2: it your business to make sure that first is as

2322
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:10,839
Speaker 2: late in the round as possible.

2323
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 5: LFG. I'd do it if they would do.

2324
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,560
Speaker 4: That, but I'd rather give the first this year the

2325
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,600
Speaker 4: thirty first pick as opposed to I don't know what

2326
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 4: number is going to be, and theoretically a better.

2327
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 7: Drought might probably be higher than thirty one.

2328
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 2: But maybe maybe he's thinking Roseman would rather take our

2329
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 2: next year's one. But either way, he wants two ones reportedly,

2330
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 2: so that's not going to get it done.

2331
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 5: I just I wondered. I don't know if it's the

2332
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 5: Patriots necessarily, but there's all this minutia with AJ Brown's

2333
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:44,599
Speaker 5: contract and the June first deadline and all this different

2334
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 5: kind of stuff. I just don't know if we're in

2335
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 5: the right time of year for AJ Brown trade to happen.

2336
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 5: So like, does this get revisited when guys sometimes get

2337
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 5: move in like August, like Michael Parsons last year, Like,

2338
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 5: do they revisit this entire thing come then when it's

2339
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 5: easier more digestible for Philadelphia to move on from the contract.

2340
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 1: And does AJ Brown start to make a stink even,

2341
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, does he want to get out of there.

2342
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2343
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 5: I mean we're talking about I hope I have the numbers, right.

2344
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 5: I think it's like a forty million dollar dead cap

2345
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 5: hit if they trade him before June first, And like

2346
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 5: Philly is one of those teams that throws a lot

2347
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 5: of money around, but that's that's tough for any team

2348
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 5: to try to maneuver.

2349
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 2: You have a kind of deal in place and don't

2350
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 2: get the trigger.

2351
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 5: And so that's sort of what I'm kind of getting at, yeah,

2352
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 5: is like is there a chance that they have a

2353
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 5: framework with a couple of different teams maybe that are

2354
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 5: sort of in the running for it, where they sort

2355
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 5: of all have an understanding of what it's going to take.

2356
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 5: But it might just not happen now. It might happen

2357
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 5: in July.

2358
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 2: Or August, right, not ideal because I'd love to see

2359
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 2: him spend the spring with Drake may Well.

2360
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 5: You're all time as possible counting on them at it

2361
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 5: actually going through and it actually like happening, right, and

2362
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,800
Speaker 5: like if you put all your eggs in that basket, if.

2363
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 4: You oh, it's happening. Yeah, he misses some ota time,

2364
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 4: but he still can get here for like mini camp yep,

2365
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:09,959
Speaker 4: you know if I mean, if you like again.

2366
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 2: You give him the playbook early.

2367
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:13,120
Speaker 4: But this is a big if, like I don't, we

2368
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 4: don't know that this is actually happening. But if they've

2369
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 4: got a framework of a deal and they they you know,

2370
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:20,640
Speaker 4: let's say, ninety five percent sure that they're going to

2371
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 4: make this deal come June first, it's not It's not terrible.

2372
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 1: That's probably why people need to be a little bit patient,

2373
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,599
Speaker 1: because there's a chance you could end up with somebody

2374
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: like Concepcion and then all of a sudden, a j.

2375
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 1: Brown arrives posts Toptember or June first, and now go

2376
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 1: got the week ago, Yeah, fans oft times in June.

2377
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 2: For the uh Haines in Houston, right, sin be warm.

2378
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:46,719
Speaker 2: Prior to Alec Pierce agreeing to terms with the Colts,

2379
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,080
Speaker 2: I was just curious about how he compared to our

2380
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five X receiver cation on Booty. While the

2381
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 2: production from Pierce has clearly been higher, could it be

2382
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 2: that we just haven't seen Booty's ceiling yet. Here are

2383
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 2: the few twenty twenty five stats receiving yards per target

2384
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 2: Booty eleven point nine to eight, Pierce eleven point ninety

2385
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 2: four percentage of twenty plus pass plays per target Booty

2386
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:15,040
Speaker 2: two percent, Pierce twenty percent. Catch rate per target Booty

2387
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 2: seventy two percent, Pierce fifty six percent. Yes, Pierce was

2388
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 2: first in yards per catch twenty one point three, but

2389
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 2: Booty was fourth sixteen point seven. Is it possible that

2390
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 2: we already have our Alex Pierce on the team.

2391
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: No, it's a lot of this is pulsing it sole percentages.

2392
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:33,799
Speaker 4: No, it's not possible.

2393
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:34,639
Speaker 2: Really.

2394
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 12: No.

2395
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 5: I think they're different players completely stylistically like, and they

2396
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 5: might both kind of get to the same areas of

2397
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 5: the field, but I think they win differently. Like al

2398
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 5: Pierce is a size speed specimen, like he is a burner,

2399
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 5: you know, over the top of the defense. We were

2400
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 5: talking about it a little bit with Aj Brown, Like

2401
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:56,960
Speaker 5: Kaishan Boody is very good at the catch point and

2402
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,559
Speaker 5: he boxes guys out, and he's physical and he's got

2403
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 5: good hands and good strong play strength. And Alex pears

2404
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 5: to me is like this guy's behind the defense, like

2405
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 5: he's got that kind of long striding speed.

2406
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 4: I'd also say that same ability to do what you're

2407
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 4: talking about that Booty does a little bit.

2408
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would say that he's probably a better

2409
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 5: intermediate receiver than Booty, you know, and cuts crossers things

2410
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 5: like that, does that a little bit better because he's

2411
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 5: got more natural speed to him.

2412
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 1: So he's four inches taller than Boy. Yeah, four inches.

2413
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 4: Finally, there's a little No, I'm not saying he's this

2414
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 4: good because he hasn't shown that he's that good. But

2415
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 4: he's kind of a planet player. There are not that

2416
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 4: many guys that run at his size the way he runs. Yep,

2417
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 4: And there I think there was the same was it

2418
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 4: the same draft?

2419
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 7: This was Pierce was.

2420
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 4: So who you think about Boy? What a he was

2421
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 4: twenty three twenty three, So there's one one year draft

2422
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:03,760
Speaker 4: class difference. Like I mean, it's the whole development thing

2423
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 4: that they I don't know. Pierce might be destined to

2424
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 4: be sort of the one trick pony in that he's

2425
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 4: going to give you a lot of big plays during

2426
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 4: the course of the season, and that's that's it. Like

2427
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 4: he's fifty for one thousand not going to be you know,

2428
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:24,640
Speaker 4: seventy five for thirteen hundred, which I think he can be.

2429
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 4: But if he if he isn't, I still think the

2430
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 4: fifty for one thousand is better than Booty by a

2431
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:32,439
Speaker 4: Lot by.

2432
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 2: Maria Love Booty Maria and Boise Idaho. I don't know

2433
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:39,519
Speaker 2: what amazes me more that you guys can talk about

2434
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 2: football at nauseum for hours on end, or that I

2435
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:43,400
Speaker 2: listened to you for hours on it.

2436
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 5: I mean we only do two? We could we could

2437
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 5: do this for another two.

2438
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 4: Come in the think tank.

2439
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, jay in La, I love the Evan is wrong

2440
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 2: emails about ratio. Ratio is someone gets more likes than

2441
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:59,800
Speaker 2: the original posts. Example, Drake may is bad thirty five likes,

2442
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 2: ply no he isn't. The Jets suck ratio six thousand likes.

2443
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 2: I don't care what AI says, stick to football.

2444
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 5: So I think that this is uh. I've discovered that

2445
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:10,599
Speaker 5: I've showed my age a little bit on this one,

2446
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 5: and I am getting a little bit older. Guys, So

2447
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:14,640
Speaker 5: like this happens from time to time. But you know

2448
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 5: us og Twitter users that like started in like twenty ten,

2449
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 5: nine twenty ten right around there go by my definition

2450
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 5: of ratio. These new these kids these days are going

2451
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 5: by this new definition of ratio. But we are the

2452
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:34,519
Speaker 5: ones that got the platform off the tarmac here right,

2453
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 5: Like we're the yeah, like we're the ones that like it,

2454
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 5: like kind of got the app rolling. So as you

2455
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 5: get on Twitter, what year I want to say, like

2456
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 5: twenty ten.

2457
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 2: So you were late to the game.

2458
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:47,599
Speaker 7: I was probably a little bit.

2459
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 5: I mean I was like big yeah, Like I was

2460
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,280
Speaker 5: in high school, so I probably didn't even have a

2461
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 5: smartphone until you know, twenty ten.

2462
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 7: I just think you did a poll.

2463
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was sixty forty, So anybody who's in

2464
01:48:57,960 --> 01:48:59,639
Speaker 1: the sixty and I was in the forty. But yeah,

2465
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:02,799
Speaker 1: I had to act like idiots completely wrong, Like really

2466
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 1: there was a significant portion of people that see it

2467
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:07,719
Speaker 1: the other way, and there's it's.

2468
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 4: Not idiots wrong that poll because I had absolutely no idea.

2469
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 4: I've never heard the term in my life.

2470
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 2: I've never heard race.

2471
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 4: No, not on Twitter. I just checked November.

2472
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 5: When you see like when you see a bad tweet

2473
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,040
Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, that dude's getting ratio, you're you're

2474
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 5: like looking in the replies.

2475
01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 1: Or nobody's liking it's just coming out like what I

2476
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 1: thought you have. But we were in the minority, because

2477
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: we're all get more minority, not thirds.

2478
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 5: Now, there were some people that said it's a big

2479
01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 5: gap that we were both right. Yea, that it could mean.

2480
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:46,120
Speaker 5: It could mean either thing, so maybe it has double meaning.

2481
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,680
Speaker 5: It could mean both. I'll concede that.

2482
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:50,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was April two thousand.

2483
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 2: And nine, two thousand and nine, good good dudes.

2484
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:56,760
Speaker 5: That was way out, Nocember. I thought it was did

2485
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 5: they have to force you?

2486
01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 12: What was it?

2487
01:49:57,880 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 17: What was it?

2488
01:49:58,240 --> 01:49:58,280
Speaker 12: Like?

2489
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 4: You? Was November twenty ten, and I thought by the

2490
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:03,640
Speaker 4: time I get on it, but you know, it was

2491
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 4: going to be gone. I remember, I'm not I'm not joking.

2492
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 1: I remember might be gone describing it to me and

2493
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, so what you just post like little bits

2494
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:13,320
Speaker 1: of text and like, yeah, yeah, just that's what Twitter.

2495
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 7: I had no concept, and then here we are.

2496
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:19,559
Speaker 4: I hated it then and I hate it now.

2497
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:22,200
Speaker 7: I'm march O nine, a thought leader.

2498
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 5: I love a lot of but I was late.

2499
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:26,560
Speaker 4: I thought it was.

2500
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 7: I think it was before that. I think blew up.

2501
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 4: So I'm going to give credit slash blame. I don't know,

2502
01:50:34,439 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 4: depending on how you take it. The first person that

2503
01:50:36,479 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 4: I noticed using this at all was Ian Rappaport. He

2504
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:44,600
Speaker 4: was very early on Now that doesn't mean he was

2505
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 4: early for Twitter. He went By the time it gets

2506
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:50,120
Speaker 4: on my radar, it's probably already an old band.

2507
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 9: I was.

2508
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 4: That is the first one that I saw that I was.

2509
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 2: I was at an NFL conference I think was eight

2510
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 2: and what my friend from the Chargers said, you should

2511
01:50:58,240 --> 01:50:59,040
Speaker 2: get on Twitter so we.

2512
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 4: Can you know, D I mean, you know, I don't

2513
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,719
Speaker 4: need to Chargers guys DM.

2514
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 7: Twitter those Chargers.

2515
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 4: But when Rapaport he was, yeah, he was gone by that.

2516
01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:15,640
Speaker 4: I don't think he was still with the Heralds, but

2517
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:18,240
Speaker 4: there he used to tweet all the time and random

2518
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 4: stuff and I'd be like, what is this?

2519
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:23,240
Speaker 5: This is like stupid, There's nothing. Uh, the immediacy of

2520
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 5: the news cannot be beat. There's no other platform that

2521
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 5: can beat it for immediacy. The cesspool that has become

2522
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 5: my mentions and people with way more followers than me

2523
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:34,679
Speaker 5: mentions are even worse.

2524
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 4: That is not great, But that's the one I've one

2525
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 4: good thing of not having a ton of followers.

2526
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:39,720
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2527
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:42,480
Speaker 2: I always like Twitter better because it's just the simplicity

2528
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:43,519
Speaker 2: and the ease of use.

2529
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 1: It is.

2530
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 4: There's no question, like a day like it's gold.

2531
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:47,640
Speaker 12: It is.

2532
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 5: What would I do without it?

2533
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:49,400
Speaker 2: On it?

2534
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:51,800
Speaker 5: You know, like if you're like trying to keep up

2535
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:53,960
Speaker 5: on breaking news, like on a day like yesterday, There's

2536
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:54,839
Speaker 5: nothing better.

2537
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,599
Speaker 2: Matthew writes in I see a lot of Pats fans

2538
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:01,880
Speaker 2: jumping up and down asking for new wide receivers. To me,

2539
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 2: if you can't get a true WR one chain mover,

2540
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:08,599
Speaker 2: they should largely leave the wide receiver position alone. They

2541
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 2: already have a bit of a log log jam between

2542
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 2: WR two to w R five on the team. Kyle

2543
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:16,960
Speaker 2: Williams has a lot of potential. Let's see how he

2544
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 2: shakes out first. I don't think any of the guys

2545
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 2: left in free agency or what the Patriots need at

2546
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:23,200
Speaker 2: wide receiver, I.

2547
01:52:23,200 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 5: Would agree with that in free agency. Now the veteran

2548
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:29,720
Speaker 5: trade market is a is a totally different animal. But

2549
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:32,520
Speaker 5: I I've been I know you like Romeo Dobbs.

2550
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 4: But like just stress like yeah, like I'm not going

2551
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 4: to be like banging the table.

2552
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 12: For me.

2553
01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:44,160
Speaker 5: If the Patriots signed Romeo Dobbs, Like is that Nope,

2554
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:46,040
Speaker 5: it's the same as kind of what they already have.

2555
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 5: Like maybe he's a little bits.

2556
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:50,160
Speaker 4: Better than what they have, but not like he's not

2557
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 4: going to be as good as like probably even Digs

2558
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 4: was last year.

2559
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:56,160
Speaker 5: You like, if we're gonna go with the WR numbers,

2560
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:59,240
Speaker 5: if Diggs is a WR one and Booty's a w

2561
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 5: R three. Then Dobbs's a WR two, which is like,

2562
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 5: we got a little bit better, but we didn't really move.

2563
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:07,599
Speaker 7: I just I think they have to make a move.

2564
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:09,719
Speaker 1: I mean next year they have Kyle Williams and Ethnicism

2565
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:11,519
Speaker 1: are the only two wide receivers on a contract for

2566
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 1: next year. I mean it's just when you look at

2567
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 1: the jet like, they they have to figure this position out.

2568
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 7: So whether it's A one or whatever it is, they've

2569
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:18,800
Speaker 7: got to figure it out.

2570
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:21,400
Speaker 4: And at the risk of drawing Fred's eye are here.

2571
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 4: I did notice over the weekend Mike Reese has his

2572
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:31,880
Speaker 4: you know Sunday notes. Yeah, ten ten, And the premise

2573
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 4: first jumping off point was might there be a switch

2574
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:38,599
Speaker 4: in the focus instead of you know that top flight

2575
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:41,799
Speaker 4: wide receiver and free agency, you know, talking about Alec Pearson,

2576
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:46,000
Speaker 4: you know, sort of forecasting that it wasn't going to happen,

2577
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:48,960
Speaker 4: Might there be a transition to tight end, you know,

2578
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:50,920
Speaker 4: I mean you can fill this role and tight end,

2579
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:54,600
Speaker 4: And in doing so, he sort of opened up the

2580
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 4: possibility of you know, like an Isaiah likely or a

2581
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 4: clonk Wo. Sorry, yeah, but maybe I think he had

2582
01:54:02,439 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 4: quotes some Steve Smith about tight ends, and then Mike

2583
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:07,600
Speaker 4: sort of talked about it a little bit, and you

2584
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:09,360
Speaker 4: got to kind of read between the lines a little

2585
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:11,479
Speaker 4: bit when you read Mike. One of the guys he

2586
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 4: was talking about was Efton Chisholm, and I just wonder

2587
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:18,800
Speaker 4: if maybe they look at him as a potential volume guy.

2588
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:25,639
Speaker 4: I think that would be a huge I see the quickness,

2589
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 4: I see the hands, and I see a really small

2590
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 4: guy who I can't imagine is going to hold up

2591
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Speaker 4: in that role.

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01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:33,960
Speaker 2: Well, you said that for you know, twenty five years

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01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:35,000
Speaker 2: about players.

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01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:37,560
Speaker 4: And two of them held up.

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01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:42,040
Speaker 4: I mean? Amon Doola was constantly I'm not talking about Edelman.

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01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:46,120
Speaker 2: Browned out and we turned out to be a good

2598
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:48,040
Speaker 2: wide receiver. Turned out to be.

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Speaker 4: They were good players, but they didn't hold up, is

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01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 4: my point. Welker and Brown were very durable. Welker had

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01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,400
Speaker 4: one injury and didn't miss any games because of it.

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01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but they all had me, they all had production.

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Speaker 17: No.

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01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:04,800
Speaker 4: No, I didn't say that they can't play. Yeah, like

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying can't play at all.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so in three years they will look to replaces

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01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:11,120
Speaker 2: they've had now.

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01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I don't know. I don't think he'll

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01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:14,800
Speaker 4: hold up in a season. I think you'll be looking

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01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 4: to replace Chisholm in week four if you do that.

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01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:19,400
Speaker 7: I just wonder if that's Drake's kind of guy.

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01:55:19,480 --> 01:55:21,400
Speaker 1: Like, I just wonder if he is okay throwing to

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01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:24,800
Speaker 1: smaller slot receivers that we become so accustomed to that Brady.

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01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 7: Loved and you know, we're always that's a good question.

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01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:29,200
Speaker 4: But I think you know, is that that's right?

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01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 5: That's a great and that's a tight end thing, right,

2617
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 5: Like if you get Eli Stowers and he's six foot

2618
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 5: three and he's got some size and catch radius, but

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01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 5: he still has quickness that he can win at the

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01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:42,280
Speaker 5: top of the route like McDaniels wants him to, but

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01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:44,320
Speaker 5: he's got size like Drake wants. Like is that the

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01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,200
Speaker 5: best of both worlds? It's not my thing, but like

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01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:49,880
Speaker 5: maybe that's the way they look at it, you know,

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01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:53,480
Speaker 5: it is instead of like the Edelman Welker mold of

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01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 5: a slot receiver, it's a little bit of a bigger

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01:55:56,120 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 5: guy that you might be sacrificing a tiny bit of quickness,

2627
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 5: but you're getting the catch radius in the strength.

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01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:03,600
Speaker 2: Brian's in Florida. What's up? Brian?

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01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:09,240
Speaker 10: Hey, good afternoon guys. I am I am not a

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01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:12,880
Speaker 10: a J. Brown guy, but I would love to see

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01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:16,360
Speaker 10: Brian Thomas in a Patriot uniform. Can you just give

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01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:19,480
Speaker 10: us a quick comparison of the two? What are what

2633
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:21,280
Speaker 10: are the strength? What are the weaknesses?

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01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 4: Okay? Thanks?

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01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:26,000
Speaker 2: Brian will give you a J. Brown versus Brian Thomas Jr.

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01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:32,560
Speaker 5: H Different players Like Brian Thomas Junior is a vertical

2637
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 5: go ball artist like that that's his best trick.

2638
01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:37,240
Speaker 12: You know.

2639
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:41,240
Speaker 5: AJ Brown has always been a physical specimen, strong player,

2640
01:56:41,320 --> 01:56:43,840
Speaker 5: great with the ball in his hands. Uh, you know

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01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:47,440
Speaker 5: that's I think they're different types of players completely. Like

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01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:49,920
Speaker 5: I think at this stage of his career, the AJ

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01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:52,640
Speaker 5: Brown would be more like what you got out of

2644
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 5: Diggs last year.

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01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 2: Is he more at an Kwon Bolton Bolden type of

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01:56:56,840 --> 01:56:58,280
Speaker 2: player at this career?

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01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:01,560
Speaker 5: Maybe? I mean I maybe I think he's still pretty

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01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 5: good with the ball in his hands. I think after

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01:57:03,320 --> 01:57:06,000
Speaker 5: the catch he's still got because he's so strong, like

2650
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 5: so he can just kind of run through tackles and

2651
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:11,160
Speaker 5: guys just kind of bounce off of him. So I

2652
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:13,360
Speaker 5: think there may be that element of his game is

2653
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 5: a little bit better than Diggs's just ever always was.

2654
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:20,720
Speaker 5: But Brian Thomas Junior, like, I'll never like watching him

2655
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:23,480
Speaker 5: run slot fades with Jayden Daniels at LSU Like he

2656
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 5: just fade, fade, fade like that. That's his number one trick.

2657
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:29,440
Speaker 5: He's very good at it.

2658
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:33,440
Speaker 2: Okay, Kyle in North Carolina, you'll lend the show. What's up, Kyle?

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01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:38,840
Speaker 18: Hey, guys, I have a hypothetical for you. So Trent

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01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:41,320
Speaker 18: McDuffie just got traded for two first rounds, and so

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01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:45,200
Speaker 18: did Max Crosby. If we could trade Criston Christian Gonzalez

2662
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 18: straight up for Max Crosby, which guy would you rather

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01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 18: have him?

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01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:50,800
Speaker 4: Trent McDuffie did not get traded for two first round picks?

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01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 18: Was it just one in something?

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01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:56,280
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 17: Why?

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01:57:57,360 --> 01:57:59,840
Speaker 4: Don't we only there was a way we could find

2669
01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:02,000
Speaker 4: that got traded for two first round picks?

2670
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 9: He did?

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01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was uh yeah, twenty twenty six first overall, First.

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01:58:08,440 --> 01:58:11,520
Speaker 18: Do you think Kristan Gonzalez is worth more than Trent mcduffie' He.

2673
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:14,840
Speaker 2: Might be, but I wouldn't do I wouldn't trade Gonzales

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01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:18,400
Speaker 2: for MaTx Crosby. I wouldn't do that. I'd keep Gonzales.

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01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:20,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a first.

2676
01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:24,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah. I mean they're five years apart, right,

2677
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:27,520
Speaker 5: Gonzalz is twenty three and Crosby's twenty eight.

2678
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:28,960
Speaker 2: Right, that's my main factor there.

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01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:32,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I would I would agree with you on that, McDuffie.

2680
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 4: I think McDuffie's really good. I think Gonzales, because of

2681
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 4: his size, might be a little bit better.

2682
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 5: Duffy's a better playmaker. That's a that's a around the

2683
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:42,920
Speaker 5: ball a little bit.

2684
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:44,960
Speaker 4: That's a conversation you'd have to make. Would you make

2685
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:48,960
Speaker 4: that deal for if someone offered you that from for Gonzales.

2686
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 5: Gonzalez is definitely a much better cover player, Like if

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01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:55,840
Speaker 5: you're just asking him to just go up against one

2688
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:59,040
Speaker 5: on one with a receiver, Gonzalez is much better. Mcduffy's

2689
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:00,720
Speaker 5: got a little bit more of a no for the football.

2690
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 5: He's a little bit better tackler, like you know, that

2691
01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:04,120
Speaker 5: type of thing.

2692
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:07,040
Speaker 19: Playing totally different too, Yeah, place inside a lot. Yeah,

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01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:09,560
Speaker 19: a little bit of matchup problem with that with a

2694
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:13,040
Speaker 19: guy like Gonzales at his age. Sure you get two

2695
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:15,920
Speaker 19: first round picks, but now you've got to replace Gonzales.

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01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:17,879
Speaker 5: And so they'll even be Christian Gonzalez.

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01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:19,720
Speaker 4: Right, if someone was going to give me two first

2698
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:20,640
Speaker 4: round picks, I'd do it.

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01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:22,000
Speaker 2: They're not going to do it, but you're gonna have

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01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 2: to use one of them to replace.

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01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 4: Wouldn't keep saying if I didn't want to, if I

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01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 4: didn't want to give him the contract, I'm saying I would, right,

2703
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:30,360
Speaker 4: But why wouldn't you get that? Like, that's what I

2704
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:32,880
Speaker 4: don't think you get in two ones for Christian gonzalees me,

2705
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:34,920
Speaker 4: But that's what the Jets got for Sauce. Yeah, I

2706
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:38,400
Speaker 4: don't think that they and I think that's widely panned

2707
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:42,960
Speaker 4: is a terrible trade, Okay, I mean, I just don't

2708
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:44,960
Speaker 4: you think they got a lot of blowback for that trade.

2709
01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:47,480
Speaker 2: Well, I think if the point of the caller is

2710
01:59:47,560 --> 01:59:50,840
Speaker 2: that if Max Crosby can get two first rounders, Gonzales

2711
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 2: should be able to, I kind of agree with.

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01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:54,320
Speaker 5: Well, I kind of think of it more like just

2713
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:57,560
Speaker 5: comparing positions, like if Sace Gardner got you two first

2714
01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 5: round picks, if I'm the Patriots and I'm even like

2715
02:00:00,680 --> 02:00:02,520
Speaker 5: entertaining the idea of trading, hell.

2716
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a different art. I'm not trading him for

2717
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:09,960
Speaker 4: anything less than two First, I'm Elliot Wilma.

2718
02:00:09,960 --> 02:00:10,640
Speaker 5: I'm saying we'll.

2719
02:00:10,520 --> 02:00:10,920
Speaker 4: Find with that.

2720
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:15,280
Speaker 2: And we're not trading Gonzales, so everyone know, yes and

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02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:16,960
Speaker 2: we don't want to. All right, that's going to be

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Speaker 2: it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Catch twenty two

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Speaker 2: tomorrow and noon. They just keep going, They just keep going,

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Speaker 2: and we'll be back Thursday. See you then.

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02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:36,320
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