1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: We're on the radio from one until four. After four o'clock, 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: go to John Cobelt's show on demand and you could 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: listen to whatever you missed on the podcast. And if 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: you're just joining us, I would listen to that last 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: half hour we just did with Steve Garvey talking about 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: coming off the debate with those three whack jobs at 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: the Democrats that's running for the Democrats. Tell me he 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: doesn't sound like a normal person. Don't we need some 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: normal people running for office again instead of these screaming 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: lunatics with their weirdo ideologies. 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: I don't know, give them a Listen to me. He sounds. 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: Like we need more of these people. The La Times 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: what a disaster. We've been telling you about it for 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: several days now, about two weeks or so ago. The 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: executive editor, Kevin Rita resigned. Yesterday, the managing editor, Sarah A. 18 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: Scene resigned. Another top editor, Shanny Hilton, resigned. The Sunshiong 19 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: family is sick of blowing money. They've spent a billion 20 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: dollars and got nothing for it. Today they laid off 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen of their writers and editors. 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: Which is a huge chunk of the newsroom. 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: The newsroom twenty five years ago was twelve hundred employees, 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: writers and editors. Most recently it was down to five hundred, 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: and now it's down to less than four hundred. We're 26 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: going to talk with Daniel Gus from The Gus Report, 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: independent journalist who's been on our show many times because 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: he always seems to know what's going on at the 29 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: inside of the La Times. 30 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: Daniel, how are. 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 3: You hey, John, Thanks for having me back, and congratulations 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: on going solo with your show. 33 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you very much. It's good to have you on. 34 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: I mean, as soon as Hyong hitting the end of 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: the road here, he just is sick. I mean, his 36 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: wife was quoted in one story that she was tired 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: of writing a million dollar check every week to prop 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: up the paper. 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 3: Well, you know, here's the thing, John, that I think 40 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: is really lost on the people at the La Times 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: before the layoffs. Today, this is an industry. The print 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: media industry is dead. It is dead. If you've seen 43 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 3: no in my corner store, my corner liquor store doesn't 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: even sell the La Times anymore, and it's it's cover 45 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 3: prices like four dollars, and it's anarexic for the ninety 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 3: year old people who actually subscribe to it. The print. 47 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 3: The news media industry is consolidating. But the people at 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: the Times failed to realize that they had their Willy 49 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: Wonka moment. Remember in the movie Willy Wonka. If you 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 3: got the candy bar with the golden foil wrapping around it, 51 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: you got to go to Willie Waka's factory. Patrick soun Sean, 52 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: who already owned a big portion of the La Times, 53 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: bought the rest of it about six and a half 54 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 3: years ago when the industry was dying. I think he 55 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: paid ten times too much. I think it was probably 56 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: worth about forty or fifty million dollars at the time. 57 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 3: And so the industry was shrinking and going anyway because 58 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: of the iPhone, because of the Internet, because of the 59 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: immediacy of news, such that The Times, in any newspaper 60 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: is obsolete by the time it hits your doorstep. And 61 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: they had this guy worth about five to eight billion 62 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: dollars with the most noble intentions trying to save it, 63 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: trying to reinvigorate the La Times, and the people there 64 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: doubled down on crazy, just like on Sunday when they 65 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: doubled down on crazy with the George guests gun endorsement, 66 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: Just like they doubled down on crazy by having a 67 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: walkout for the first time in one hundred and forty 68 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: two years. They and they did a hey, let's go guys, 69 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 3: a solidarity of walkout. Son Seng was their last best 70 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 3: chance to get this thing right. It's just the Washington Post, 71 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: in the New York Times, now in the USA Today, 72 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: and cable news and social media. So yeah, I think 73 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: he's done with it in terms of the nonsense that's 74 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: going on. By the way, I don't think it's five hundred. 75 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: I've read reports that the newsroom at the LA Times 76 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: was down to four hundred, and this would represent about 77 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: twenty seven percent. So they need to get their act together. 78 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: By the way, let me do the La Times job 79 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: for them, because they're you know, just like they endorsed 80 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 3: George Gascon for reelection over the weekend, I can tell 81 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: you four years in advance, they're going to reindorse Karen 82 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: Bass for a second term. They're going to endorsed Nithi 83 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: Rahman for a second term. In a couple of months, 84 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,119 Speaker 3: and then Eunice is Hernandez Hugo Soda Martinez, and Kenneth 85 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 3: Mahea unless Soon Sean gets his daughter, who's been using 86 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: the La Times as a play thing ever since he 87 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 3: bought it for her own personal agenda. 88 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: I have not seen a major newspaper turns so far left, 89 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: so ultra progressive, so ultra woke, day after day, and 90 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: that attitude infiltrated many of their news stories, all their editorials, 91 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: all the calmness, all the endorsements. It's it's it's overwhelming, 92 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: and it's the only game in town to get print 93 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: news about the state and the county and the city. 94 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: And they went so far off the cliff that it's 95 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: unreadable a lot of days. 96 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: And what was the point of that. Most people aren't 97 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: that way. 98 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: You know what they thought? They thought the good times 99 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: are going to continue because we got this. I were 100 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: billions of dollars and we formed in La Times Guild 101 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 3: and we're just going to keep marching on forward. And 102 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 3: my evidence of the degree of delusion is that they 103 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: have they have a strike on Friday, and Patrick soon Shung, 104 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 3: the well intentioned owner, referred to that strike as not helping. Yeah, 105 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: you know what, if this guy's losing about a million 106 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: dollars a week, you guys better snap to it. He 107 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: was telling he was telegraphing this with the layoffs last summer. 108 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: But you know what. 109 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: Well, if somebody tells if somebody tells you that you're 110 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: going to be laid off, going on strike is not 111 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 2: going to save your job. 112 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, how how can you know? What? 113 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: I want to know, John, I want to know how 114 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 3: many of the people who were on strike on Friday 115 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: and Gloria Molina Grand Park in downtown And by the way, 116 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: why did they strike at Grand Park rather than at 117 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: their headquarters and smell Segundo. And by the way, Grand 118 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: Park is across the streets from where they used to work. 119 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: And I want to know. I really want to know, 120 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: don't you. I want to know how many of the 121 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: La Times people who struck were on strike last Friday 122 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: would have been saved today but ended up getting laid off, 123 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: ended up potentially missing a buyout offer. I want to 124 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 3: know who lost their job because of the strike three 125 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: days before a layoff. 126 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question, because if I was running 127 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: a business that was losing a ton of money. And 128 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: I told people, hey, we got layoffs here unless we 129 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: can come to some kind of new negotiation about the costs. 130 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: And then everybody says, screw you, we're going on strike. 131 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: It's like avout with you. I don't have to employ 132 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: any of you. You don't have to get anybody today exactly. 133 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: And you know what, some of these are people who 134 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: were supposed to be there to bring transparency to the 135 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: guy who's in the truck driving the beer to the store, 136 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: to the parents who's picking up the kids from school 137 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: or little league, and to tell us the truth without 138 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: their agenda. 139 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: All right, that's what I'm saying. 140 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 2: It's like, why design your entire paper behind a radical 141 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: progressive message completely forgetting the normal people that you just 142 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 2: described here. You know, the guy riding the truck trying 143 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: to make a living, the mom trying to take the kids, 144 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: you know, the soccer practice. The normal people who get 145 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: together in everybody's neighborhood every night. 146 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: You see them. We all live with them, We know them. 147 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: That paper was not designed for them, and that's where 148 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 2: the money is, that's where the population is. Instead, it 149 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: was this ultra progressive hothouse. 150 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: Blod and you know what, they kept They kept pushing it. 151 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 3: A few years ago, a peer of yours from a 152 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: different outlet named Larry Elder was running for governor, and 153 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: a columnist at The Times referred to this accomplished Larry Elder, 154 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: this accomplished attorney, former judge, a guy who because he 155 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: happens to have conservative values, they refer to him as 156 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: the black face of white supremacy. You know what, I 157 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: want to have a beer with Larry Elder tonight, Larry, 158 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: if you're out there, I want to have a beer 159 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 3: with you. I want to know how good today feels, 160 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 3: even though the person who wrote that about him apparently 161 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: still has her job. But it went on and on 162 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: and on, and finally a rich guy said, you know what, 163 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 3: this is a bit much, And to Patrick Sunshong's credit 164 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 3: or vision, he says, no, we have a plan. We 165 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: have a plan. We're moving forward. Well, you know what, 166 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: I look forward to seeing what that plan is. 167 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: I know you're giving Patrick credit here, but he's in 168 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 2: charge of the paper. He let this thing spin out 169 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: of control with all this extreme progressivism. 170 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: This is what they write about. What they care about the. 171 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: La Times is not what most normal people think not 172 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: even most normal liberal Democrats on the West Side are 173 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: into the stuff that they preach. So I don't know 174 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: why he didn't rain this in a long time ago. 175 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: You know what, You've spoken about it fairly extensively. I'm 176 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: not so sure that he's in charge of it. I 177 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: think he's in charge of it from a you know, 178 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 3: the twenty thousand foot level, but from certain reports inside 179 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: he was kind of present and then aloof and then disappeared. 180 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: And the wife wanted to build a studio to promote booking, 181 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: and you know, the one hundred best restaurants, the one 182 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: hundred restaurants that closed. But it appears that and I 183 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: wrote about this a few months ago where I said 184 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 3: that Sun Shongs are far left. Daughter Nika Sun Schong 185 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 3: was interfering with both the editorial board and the reporting 186 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: to the point where they couldn't refer to looting. Yes 187 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: as looting. 188 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: Yes, the word looting was banned. I gotta go, Daniel, 189 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: thanks for coming on, Thanks for coming on all right. 190 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: Whenever you needed me, sir, I'll always. 191 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 4: Be here, all right, Journalist Daniel Gus you're listening to 192 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 4: John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am six forty. 193 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: We got something coming up at two thirty, don't we 194 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: don't we? Huh help me out here? 195 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 5: Oh? 196 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: Yes, we are gonna have attorney Morgan Stewart. Oh this story. 197 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: I saw this this morning. This is so disgusting. I 198 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: thought this story had long been settled. Do you remember, 199 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: and this is going back more than ten years ago, 200 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: there was a pedophile teacher in the Los Angeles school 201 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 2: district named Mark Burnt, and he was feeding his students 202 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: cookies laced with his bodily fluids. 203 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: Yes, that bodily fluid. 204 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 6: I remember that story so well. 205 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: Once you hear it, you can never forget it. And 206 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: then he would take pictures of them, I guess, eating 207 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: the cookies. He would put tape over their eyes and mouths. 208 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 2: I can't see a teacher doing this to me when 209 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: I was a little kid. 210 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: I can't. 211 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: I can't imagine, even if I was eight years old, 212 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: standing there and the teacher's putting tape on my mouth 213 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: and eyes and giving me some funky taste in cookies. 214 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 6: Well, what would you have done? 215 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Kicked them in the nuts? 216 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 7: Really? 217 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would have. 218 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 6: I think I think some kids are You know, you 219 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 6: look at teachers as as kind of godlike figures you don't. 220 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: Want to see. That's the thing I never did. 221 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: I had contempt for all my teachers that I understand that. 222 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 2: And I can't even get into the nuns anyway, we're 223 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: gonna have the story is back. There was another two 224 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: victims that got a settlement from LAUSD. Attorney Morgan Stewart 225 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: is going to be on with us. He represented the victims. Okay, 226 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: this not going to believe we got we got a 227 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: story here from Fox eleven. It's cut thirteenth. Gina Silva 228 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: did the report. I hadn't heard of this thing. There 229 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: is a guy who was in a car chase in November. 230 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: La County Sheriff's deputies were chasing him. He collides with 231 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: a second man in a white truck and the guy 232 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: ended up dying. 233 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: Right the second guy ended up dying. The perpetrator was. 234 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: Released on his own recognaissance and now he hasn't showed 235 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: up for he hasn't shown up for his court date. 236 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: This is all true after he killed the guy. Play 237 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 2: the clip from Gina Silver Fox eleven. 238 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 7: This is the violent end to a high speed pursuit. 239 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 7: The guy on the ground is twenty year old Victor Duiremasies. 240 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 7: He led La County Sheriff's deputies on a chase on 241 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 7: November twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. This is video of 242 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 7: that horrific crash. At the intersection of Arteesia and Long 243 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 7: Beach Boulevardsdarte Masias slams into an innocent driver, Pedro Barrera, 244 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 7: the impact so severe it severs federal's left arm. Three 245 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 7: days later, a Compton judge Releasesdarte Macias without bail on 246 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 7: his own recognissance. He was ordered to be in court 247 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 7: this Monday, but Darte Massias did. 248 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: Not show up. 249 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 8: This suspect and defendant did not show up to court 250 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 8: is not at all surprising. He's facing serious charges. He 251 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 8: maded the police, and I'm quite surprised that judge let 252 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 8: him out without having to post bail. I mean to me, 253 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 8: it's just it's hard to explain and I don't understand it. 254 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 7: Criminal defense attorney Dimitri Goren isn't the only one struggling 255 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 7: to understand the decisions made in this case. 256 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 9: Pursuing someone at a high speed right and then obviously 257 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 9: to let him go days later. It's just heartbreaking because 258 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 9: we lost a family member. 259 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 7: When we first spoke with Pedro's family. They shared the 260 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 7: heartbreaking news. Six weeks after the crash, Fthro died from 261 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 7: multiple complications. 262 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 9: He's so traumatic, it is, there's no words. No one 263 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 9: could understand the pain. 264 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 8: I'm surprised the district attorney has not yet brought murder charges. 265 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 8: If I'm the prosecutor handling this case, I would have 266 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 8: my most experienced detectives looking for him to bring him 267 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 8: to justice and bring him to court. 268 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 7: The La County Sheriff's Department got back to us tonight 269 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 7: explaining the suspect was originally charged with felony evading a 270 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 7: peace officer with great bodily injury. They did not have 271 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 7: any details as to why a Compton court released Duartemasias 272 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 7: on his own recognissance. We also contacted the La County 273 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 7: DA's office, but they did not get back to us 274 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 7: in time for this story. 275 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: So this is another Gascon special, trying to you know, 276 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: piece the details together here. So so it's a difficult 277 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: name to pronounce for me. Victor Dutemisius. He collides with 278 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: Pedro Barrera. Police are chasing Dorta Messius. It severs Herrera's 279 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: left arm. Six weeks later he dies from complications. Now, 280 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: at the time he was put in jail, Barrera hadn't 281 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: died yet. But that charge that genas silver list had 282 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: sounded pretty serious. Evading police with serious bodily injury. Uh, 283 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: no bail, And now Ferrera died and there's no murder charges. 284 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: This is Gascone's world here. Can you believe this? 285 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: The guy died. 286 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: And doorta Messius released on bail, released without bail on 287 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: his own recognisance? What does that mean exactly? You have 288 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: to you have to recognize yourself. Yes, I recognize myself. 289 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: Or do they give the guy a marrior? Do you 290 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: recognize yourself? 291 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 292 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: I recognize yourself. Well, you're released on your own RECOGNI 293 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense that term. He's twenty years old, 294 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: he's probably not even in the country anymore. How are 295 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 2: there not murder charges? How is there not bail? This 296 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: must have been a gasc in order. My god, every 297 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: day there's some tragedy, some atrocity that you could connect 298 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 2: to George Gascon every day. This is criminal justice reform. 299 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: Not keeping a guy in jail who murdered a man 300 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: who's who's led police on a chase. What this is insanity. 301 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: This is what I keep saying. This is not normal 302 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: politics or normal positions on issues. 303 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,719 Speaker 1: This is insanity. This is anarchy. 304 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: This is the destruction of our way of life. I 305 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: don't know what it takes to wake people up. You've 306 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: got to vote differently. And this one we didn't even 307 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: know about for you know, for about a month. All right, 308 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: when we come back, more insanity, the case of Mark 309 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: Burnt and his seaman laced cookies that he was feeding 310 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: kids over ten years ago. The story is back because 311 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: there's two more victims who've won three and a half 312 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: million dollars from LAUSD. That's where your tax Bundy's going. 313 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM six. 314 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: Forty after three o'clock. 315 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: We have another candidate for Los Angeles District Attorney to 316 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: talk with. Return visitor to our show, Deborah Archiletta. Judge 317 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 2: Deborah Archiletta, and she was in the debate last week, 318 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: and we will discuss how her campaign is going to 319 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 2: unseat the despicable, deplorable George Gascone. 320 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: Right now. 321 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 2: I didn't think i'd see this story again. Well, it 322 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: was over ten years ago when in a Los Angeles 323 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: Unified School District teacher named Mark Brent pleaded no context 324 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: to twenty three charges lude conduct upon a child. He 325 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: got twenty five years in prison. This was the case, 326 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: you may remember if you were around then, where he 327 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: was feeding his children in class cookies laced with his 328 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: own seamen and taking pictures of them, yeah, his own 329 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: bodily fluids. He would also tape over their eyes and 330 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 2: their mouths. Turns out that parents and students and teachers 331 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: had been complaining about his sexual misconduct all the way 332 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: back to the early nineteen eighties. So weird, creepy, gross 333 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: things had been going on thirty years. The LA Unified 334 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 2: School District paid one hundred and forty one million dollars 335 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: to eighty one victims. They also played paid thirty million 336 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: dollars to the families of sixty five students at Miramonte 337 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: Miremante Elementary School. It turns out there is there's more 338 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: multimillion dollar settlements. Here, two more victims we're going to 339 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: talk with. We're going to talk with Morgan Stewart, one 340 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 2: of the attorneys at Manly, Stuart and Finalde Morgan. 341 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 5: Are you there, yep, I'm here. Thanks for having me on, guys, 342 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 5: this is nuts. 343 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: Who are these new two victims? 344 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 2: Because I thought this had all been settled, you know, 345 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: ten years ago. 346 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 5: Well, you abuse students for thirty years, you see, you 347 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 5: have a lot of victims that come forward, and the 348 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 5: two latest victims that we settled, Uh, we're fearful coming forward. 349 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 5: And you know, part of part of his ability to 350 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 5: operate were lower income students, students who he instilled fear in. Uh, 351 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 5: and that sticks with you for for quite a while. 352 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 5: So you know, there are still students coming forward from 353 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 5: that were abused by him, even to this day. They 354 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 5: are they are still coming forward and and indicating they 355 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 5: were abused, and you know, they're they're they're scared, They're 356 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 5: they were scared, and they're dealing with it on a 357 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 5: daily basis. So they're they're coming forward slowly. 358 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 2: Is there a deadline legally for them to file their claims? 359 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's the the statutal limitations. Obviously it 360 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 5: was extended uh a few years ago, so most of 361 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 5: them have until they're forty to file. 362 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: Oh is that right? 363 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 10: Yeah? 364 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was okay. 365 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 10: So yeah, so they changed it about three or four 366 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 10: years ago. 367 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: So were these victims of the cookies or were there 368 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: other acts that they suffered from Mark Brent. 369 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 5: You know, he Burnt had a weird pedophilia that was 370 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 5: probably a mixture of some sado masochism as well as 371 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 5: just straight sexual abuse. So his victims like these, uh 372 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 5: involved not only the eating of the semen laced cookies, 373 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 5: but as well as the blindfolding, taking pictures, and the 374 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 5: putting hissing bugs on their their shoulders and on their faces, 375 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 5: just like he did to hundreds of other victims. 376 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: And he did this stuff in the classroom. 377 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 5: He did it in the classroom. It wasn't it wasn't 378 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 5: really a closed secret. 379 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 10: I mean you you alluded to this. 380 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 5: I mean we're going back to the early nineteen eighties 381 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 5: where he was dropping his pants in front of students, 382 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 5: and were he tight clothes that you would expose as generals? 383 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 5: And the administration knew this, they brushed it off, or 384 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 5: they excused it, and they allowed it to happen. 385 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: What was the upside for the administration to excuse it? 386 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: This is what I've never gotten. 387 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: I understand the kids not wanting to talk about it, 388 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: right because it's very traumatizing, humiliating, But he's doing this 389 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: weird stuff in public. 390 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: I've never heard of this stuff in my life. 391 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: I mean, on its face, this is a sicko, right, 392 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 2: and parents must have known about it obviously and they complained. 393 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: So what to me if I'm an administrator and I'm 394 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: getting all these stories, I don't want to be connected 395 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: to this. I want out of this. 396 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 5: You you would, And because we're normal, I mean, the 397 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 5: short answer is, because we operate in a rational world. 398 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 5: But you look at I mean, look at Mark Burns. 399 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 5: You look at George Penman de la Torre, you are 400 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 5: George Peenmenthal. You look at Martin Springer. All these sexual 401 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 5: abusers that were operating under and with the explicit and 402 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 5: implicit permission of lausd all in the same general area, 403 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 5: all in the same general time, with hundreds and hundreds 404 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 5: of victims, and the school administration at that time did 405 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 5: nothing about it. They excused it, they allowed it. They 406 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 5: were friendly with these individuals. They didn't want to turn 407 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 5: in their fellow colleagues. 408 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: I know that there's a certain amount of sickos in 409 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: human society. There always will be, right the Mark Burns, 410 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 2: I just don't understand the administrative layer at a school 411 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 2: to be embracing these weirdos. And it had to have 412 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 2: been a number of administrators. If this went on from 413 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties to the early twenty tens, that's thirty 414 00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: years worth of administry. 415 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 5: Yes, and you would again, in a rational society, you 416 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 5: would say that's not okay. But this is la USD. 417 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 5: This is the same institution which collected all of their 418 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 5: sexual abuse reporting and destroyed them during this process of 419 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 5: what's going on. If you operate in a world where 420 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 5: LAUSD is willing to destroy sexual abuse records, what, as 421 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 5: an administrator says to you, Well, that's you know, they're 422 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 5: going to destroy them. 423 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 10: Why do I have to do anything to report these people? 424 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 10: That's that's the that's the. 425 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 5: World we're operating in in the you know, two thousand 426 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 5: to two thousand and fifteen, sixteen time period of LAUSD. 427 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 5: They don't care, they're just they're they're they're covering. Frankly, 428 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 5: they're covering it up. And they knew they were covering 429 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 5: it up by destroying these records. 430 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 431 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: I know, we've had you on and your partner, John 432 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,120 Speaker 2: Manle on so many times, and you've represented so many 433 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 2: sexual abuse victims. You know, from from the universities and 434 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 2: the schools, the churches. I mean, you know, it's an 435 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: endless list of cases that we're all familiar with, and 436 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: it's the same story every time. And I'm just fascinated, 437 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: Like this entire generation of administrators at all levels of 438 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: education knew about. You know, we need total up all 439 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: the cases, literally thousands of kids getting sexually abused in 440 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: some sick, demented way, and it's the same story. Nobody 441 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: wanted to do anything. They covered it up, they destroyed 442 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: the paperwork. What I mean, what do you think as 443 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: these as these cases keep coming into your office, what 444 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: do you think of humanity? 445 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: I can't imagine. 446 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 5: Well, I think one and I think we talked about 447 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 5: this before. The legislature needs to fix the system. 448 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 10: If if an. 449 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 5: Administrator knows they're going to get at most a flap 450 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 5: on the hand misdemeanor six months, you know, penalty for 451 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 5: failing to report, and and the likelihood is one percent 452 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 5: you are going to get prosecuted under that for. 453 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 10: Failing to report. What's there? You know, what, what's their. 454 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 5: Incentive other than I'm a good human, uh, you know, 455 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 5: and I do the ethical thing, which should be enough. 456 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 5: But it isn't that the legislature needs to hammer and 457 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 5: put put failing penalties on that this and you start, 458 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 5: you start putting administrators in prison for for failure to report, 459 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 5: the system will change. But so far the unions have 460 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 5: stopped and blocked that from occurring. Somebody needs to say 461 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 5: what is going on with with somebody blocking holding people 462 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 5: who fail to report accountable. And you know, from the 463 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 5: humanity standpoint, this is I mean, we have an ongoing 464 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 5: Miramante case humanity standpoint. 465 00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: L a U. 466 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 5: S D is current arguing in that case. It's an 467 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 5: ongoing argument that they shouldn't be liable because it's a 468 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 5: gift of public funds to compensate a survivor for being 469 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 5: sexually abused. And there's a constitutional provision that prevents a 470 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 5: gift of public funds. 471 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 10: To a survivor. 472 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 5: That their base, their argument is a survivor that they 473 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 5: fail to protect shouldn't get public funds for being abused 474 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 5: by a perpetrator. 475 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 10: That's that you you know, you want to get down 476 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 10: to humanity. 477 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 5: That's that's what uh, the superintendents and the assistant superintendents 478 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 5: are saying. This is okay, We're going to say you 479 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 5: can't compensate a survivor because we don't want to give 480 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 5: them a gift. That's that's the argument they're currently making. 481 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 9: L A U. 482 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 5: S D is actually making this in a public forum, 483 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 5: saying we can't give survivors gifts. 484 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how you do it. 485 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: I don't know how for all these decades you guys 486 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: have been able to deal with all these cases, because 487 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: it's just infuriating and disgusting. 488 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,239 Speaker 1: Really well, thank you for coming on. 489 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 10: I appreciate you, guys, I really do. 490 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: Morgan Stewart the attorney at Manly Stuart and Finaldi and 491 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: it's two more victims of the infamous Mark Burnt, who 492 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 2: is in prison for a long time. It was three 493 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: and a half million dollars for these two extra lawsuits 494 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 2: and he was the seaman laced cookie teacher. 495 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am 496 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 4: six forty'ron. 497 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: From one till four and after four o'clock John Cobelt's 498 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: show on demand, and listen particularly to the Steve Garvey 499 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: interview that we did in the first hour one thirty 500 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: to two. It would be our number one if you 501 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 2: can scroll thirty minutes in. If you're short on time, 502 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: moistline is eighty seven seven moist eighty six eight seven 503 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: seven moist eighty six eight seven seven sixty six four 504 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: seven eight eight six. We have been following the story 505 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: in Orange County of that little six year old boy 506 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 2: who got shot while mom was driving him to school 507 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty one. You remember this story. We 508 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: talked about it extensively. The other day the trial started 509 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 2: and it continued yesterday and the mother, Joanna Kloonan, was 510 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 2: cut off by a driver, Marcus Eures, actually Marcus's girlfriend 511 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: who was driving, but Joanna kloon and the mom of 512 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 2: the little boy, flipped the girlfriend off, and she was 513 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: testifying that Marcus Eres, as that car passed her, turned 514 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: and smiled at. 515 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: Her, and he was the one who. 516 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: Shortly thereafter fired a gun shot into Klunan's car and 517 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: it killed her son Aiden. And Joanna took the stand 518 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 2: on Monday, pretty gripping testimony. She went into the courtroom 519 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: with a support dog, and she had driven Aiden from 520 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: their home in Coasta Mesa to Calvary Chapel Preschool in 521 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 2: Yorba Linda and the driver of a Volkswagen sportswagon began 522 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 2: to come up quickly behind her. It scared me. Joanna said. 523 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: They swerved out of the carpool lane and then in 524 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: front of my car abruptly, and Kloonan said that after 525 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: cutting her off, the driver, who was the girlfriend, winn 526 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: A Lee, flashed a peace sign, and Joanna said, I 527 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: didn't want to be near these people. I left the 528 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 2: carpool lane. We were next to each other. I made 529 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: a gesture that was the middle finger, and I started 530 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: to merge away from them. She acknowledged the jester was 531 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: the middle finger, and Joanna said she briefly made eye 532 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: contact with the man that is Marcus Arives, the boyfriend. 533 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 2: He looked at me and smiled. I tried to get 534 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: away as much as I could, and then shortly thereafter 535 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: she heard a bang. She thought somebody had thrown a 536 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: rock at the car, and it was the bullet entering 537 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: the car and entering her son. And you see this guy, 538 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 2: there's photos of him. He's some creepo with a ponytail. 539 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 2: I am anti men wearing ponytails. 540 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: I know you are. 541 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: I'm immediately suspicious bothers me. I can't explain why exactly. 542 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 2: And you know he died shortly thereafter. It was terrible. 543 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 2: And if you remember this case, this case in senses 544 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: me because the defense attorney, in his opening argument was 545 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 2: making this ridiculous, wild nonsense claim that the man here 546 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: who pulled the trigger is not Marcus. Like it is Marcus, 547 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 2: but it's not Marcus. That Marcus split into two. There's 548 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: the Marcus here today, and then there's the Marcus who 549 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 2: pulled the trigger. And apparently Marcus number two didn't realize 550 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: what Marcus number one was doing. I'm paraphrasing, but that 551 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: was the gist of his defense, not denying that he 552 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 2: pulled the trigger and killed the boy, just saying that 553 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 2: the other Marcus inside Marcus's body wouldn't approve of what 554 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: the first Marcus did. Now, this public defender, Randall Bethune, 555 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 2: when it was his turn to ask the mom, Joanna Kloonan, 556 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 2: he only asked one question, whether she had previously told 557 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: anyone about what she described happening when she caught eyes 558 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 2: with Marcus Arives. Did you tell police you recalled the 559 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: passenger in the car smiling. I don't recall, the mother answered, 560 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 2: so is that the defense? 561 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: What does that matter? I don't know? 562 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 2: Did you tell the police that you recalled the passenger. 563 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 2: They're trying to prove, well, maybe it wasn't Marcus Ebriz 564 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 2: who fired the gun. They've already they can prove he 565 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 2: fired the gun. I mean the bullet ripped through the 566 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 2: trunk of the car and then traveled into Aiden's back, 567 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 2: through his liver and lung, pierced his heart, and so 568 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 2: it wasn't long before he died. 569 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 6: I am because he smiled? Does that make him more 570 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 6: of a a criminal? 571 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 3: There? 572 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: You know, there's less than a criminal. 573 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 2: The defense attorney's tried to play this confusion game with witnesses, 574 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: hoping they could track them into saying something contradictory. But 575 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: that's the only question that he's got. And remember that 576 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: Marcus Rives was hiding for two weeks. 577 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 6: Well, he didn't listen to the news, right, he didn't 578 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 6: listen to KFI to know that police were looking for him. 579 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 2: That was the defense attorney's argument, because obviously that looks 580 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,479 Speaker 2: like consciousness of guilt, and that's a legal term whether 581 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 2: someone's behavior in the ensuing days and weeks would lead 582 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 2: a reasonable person to believe that, oh, he knew he 583 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 2: did it, he knew he was guilty because he went inhead, 584 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 2: he tried changing jobs, and the excuse for the defense 585 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 2: attorney rand up with you and is well, he doesn't 586 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 2: listen to KFI. Could you imagine if you had killed 587 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: somebody and it made the news, and this was really 588 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 2: big news because it was a six year old boy. 589 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 2: Can you imagine going two weeks and try to convince people. No, 590 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: I wasn't aware. I didn't watch the news, I didn't 591 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: listen to KFI. 592 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know. 593 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 2: People get at I mean, worst defense attorney I've ever 594 00:35:53,840 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 2: heard this jury. I hope we have non vegetables on 595 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 2: the jury. I don't hope we don't have a jury 596 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 2: of avocados. 597 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 6: I think that even people who eat avocados can be fare. 598 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 2: People with the IQ of avocados. Deborah Mark live in 599 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: the KF. Oh wait before I do that. Deborah Archiletta, 600 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 2: the judge running for Gascon's DA job. 601 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: She's up next. Should listen to her. 602 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 2: After Deborah's news, I'll i DeBras again, live in the 603 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: KFI twenty four hour newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to 604 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 2: the John Cobalt Show podcast. 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