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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Oh, oh my goodness, what up?

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Speaker 1: What up? What up?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm doing okay. I uh it's like

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Speaker 1: the afternoon, uh where I'm recording this and uh I

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Speaker 1: like mornings. I hate nights. Nights are scary and uncertain

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Speaker 1: and weird, but days are great. They have so much

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Speaker 1: potential and light. It's good. What's your name?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my name's Alexis Alexis.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Alexis? What brings you to call a

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Speaker 1: lizard on the phone today?

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness? Here right, I'm going to like catch

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Speaker 2: my breath a little bit. I'm like excited. I've been

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Speaker 2: listening to your podcast for like the past three years

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Speaker 2: to guess. No, yeah, I guess what I'm calling about.

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Speaker 2: Actually have like I want to chat wants like this therapy.

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Speaker 5: Okay, aspect of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So like for me personally, I'm going through like a

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Speaker 2: bit of like a big life change at the moment.

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Speaker 2: I just well, not recently, but like in like seven

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like with this guy's baby that I had

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Speaker 2: like met in rehab, I went through like it was

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Speaker 2: In January, we dated a bit. I found that I

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Speaker 2: all this, but this dude's like like struggled with his sobriety,

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Speaker 2: which I understand and everybody understands whenever you're like going

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Speaker 2: through rehabilitation. But crazy, crazy, crazy stuff he turned out

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Speaker 2: Like whenever I talked to him in the beginning about

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Speaker 2: like children and stuff, he told me he didn't have any,

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Speaker 2: but he had been like deployed in Germany before and

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Speaker 2: he'd had a child in Germany. Like this whole shabang

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Speaker 2: where like this German girl like ended up talking to

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Speaker 2: me like months later about it. I was already pregnant

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Speaker 2: at that point. He went into like a veteran's homeless

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Speaker 2: though he'd been sober up till then and stuff. So

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Speaker 2: now I'm just kind of like taking care of him

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Speaker 2: because he lives in a state separate from like all

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Speaker 2: of his family and stuff. I just kind of like,

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Speaker 2: like last week I spent like one hundred dollars on

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Speaker 2: he doesn't drink. I don't know, and it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like sorry, I'm rambling.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no, okay. So just to

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Speaker 1: be clear, like this guy you met e rehab, you're

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Speaker 1: still like he is like living together?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not living with him. I'm living with my

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Speaker 2: parents now. I was in a sober living before.

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Speaker 5: Are you where you live?

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Speaker 2: Sorry?

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Speaker 1: And is he like is he your boyfriend? Are you

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Speaker 2: No, we are not together. I actually broke up with

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Speaker 2: him like two weeks before I found out I was pregnant,

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Speaker 2: and then you changed my phone number.

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Speaker 1: Wait, so you sorry if I'm misunderstanding the story at all,

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Speaker 1: But so you're and the guy that you're bringing stuff

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Speaker 1: the father of the kid inside.

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Speaker 5: Of you right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? He Yeah, he's the father of the child.

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Speaker 1: So you broke up with him eight months ago or

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Speaker 1: seven months ago?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I broke up with him like right before I'd

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Speaker 2: found out that I was pregnant.

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Speaker 1: So I mean this genuinely. Why are you still running

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Speaker 2: Because his family like lives like we live in Ohio

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Speaker 2: and his family lives in Texas. And he's just kind

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Speaker 3: All the time.

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Speaker 2: It just makes I have like a lot of hormones

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Speaker 2: for him. I guess that make me emotional for him,

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Speaker 2: But I don't want anything with him, like romantically or

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Speaker 1: I don't know, does he do anything for you?

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Speaker 2: He listens sometimes like whenever, Like I also struggle with

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Speaker 2: that way. But he's like who I go to if

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Speaker 2: So I don't know why I'm expecting him to treat

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Speaker 1: How old are you, guys, I'm scarious, I'm twenty four.

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Speaker 2: He had just turned twenty six in November.

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Speaker 1: How are you feeling about the whole situation.

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Speaker 2: Well, right now, I just feel really overwhelmed with like

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Speaker 2: Like the company I've been working for they're like closing down,

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Speaker 2: I just want him to get it together to help

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Speaker 2: me fee a little bit at ease. I'm excited about the baby. Yeah, yeah, well.

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Speaker 1: You know, Oh so I'm curious. I mean, so this

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Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. My mom was like a big

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's it's I mean this like, would you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing about it, Like out of a

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Speaker 2: I guess it's like I I like differentiate his evilness

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Speaker 1: Evil. Evil is a strong word. What made you pick

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Speaker 1: the word evil? What made you pick? But something made

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Speaker 2: Like the reason why I decided to break up with

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then I changed my phone number, and then I

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Speaker 1: What sorry, wow, what's your name again?

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Speaker 2: It's Alexis.

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Speaker 1: Alexis, So, why why are you still running errands for

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Speaker 2: Again? I'm just trying. I think maybe if I like

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Speaker 1: Look, brother, let me ask you a question here. Uh

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Speaker 1: do you I mean, do you feel like you're putting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, I see like some sort

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Speaker 1: I don't know you ever talk to a real therapist

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Speaker 2: I had a therapist, Yeah, but I left the program

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Speaker 2: I was in to come home to be pregnant because

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Speaker 2: I couldn't say they're pregnant. But yeah, I should probably

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Speaker 1: You know, I kind of asked this already, but like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, how are you feeling about the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: Like how are you feeling about, you know, getting a

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I just again, I just kind of

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Speaker 1: happens after that, Uh it was, you know, I had

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Speaker 2: In, you know, no, yeah, exactly exactly. I'm hoping that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, man, I I, Uh, it sounds trite,

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Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, you don't want to just sit with it forever.

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00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: You don't want to just dwell and dwell and dwell

440
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: and dwell and dwell forever. Right at a certain point,

441
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: I think I think you gotta you gotta, you know,

442
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: you know, go make a make a plan and like

443
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,479
Speaker 1: do some shit. But but also also some some everyone's

444
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: kind of oriented differently, and I I'm only speaking from like,

445
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: I really this is just my like experience and in

446
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: my life, and uh, I think it would be arrogant

447
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: of me to assume that my life experience is is

448
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: mirrors everyone else's. And so for some people, like genuinely

449
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: some people who who have not had opportunities to talk

450
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: things out, maybe because they haven't discovered journaling, or they

451
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: haven't you know, they don't have a strong support system,

452
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, it could be helpful, It could be helpful.

453
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: So I again, I'm just speaking from my own experience.

454
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't want to say that my my

455
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: experience is is God or anything. But yeah, I think

456
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: being an action like being a real therapist, I think

457
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: would be exhausting. I mean, I get pretty exhausted a

458
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: lot of the times doing this show and this is

459
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: like a total bullshit thing.

460
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 5: And being like a I don't know if it bullshit.

461
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: No, I'm just I'm being self deprecating, you know. Yeah,

462
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think like being a real

463
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: well it's fine, I mean, yeah, I get exhausted doing

464
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: this show, like being like a real therapist who has

465
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: like genuine accountability, uh you know, because they're they're like

466
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,479
Speaker 1: a medical professional. Yeah, it sounds like a lot.

467
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 5: I don't even feel like that part scares me, Like

468
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 5: the like the like ethics of it all, or just

469
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 5: keeping with the code and you know, keeping with laws

470
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 5: and you know, telling clients about informed consent, And I

471
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 5: don't feel like those things aren't scaring me. It's just

472
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 5: the concept of like being in a room with someone

473
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 5: and then them looking to me as some sort of

474
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 5: like person with answers when I'm just me, Like, I

475
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 5: feel like I don't know, like does my educations, is

476
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 5: my years of like working in a practicum space or

477
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 5: internship or whatever, is that really going to make me prepared?

478
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 5: I don't know.

479
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: Well no, you well yeah of course well not yeah,

480
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: of course. Well anyone who looks anyone who comes to

481
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: therapy looking for answers, I mean, good luck. Well I

482
00:27:53,720 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: don't think I mean, uh, you know, I think like answers,

483
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: can you know only you you you already.

484
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 5: Have the answers, right, So maybe it's just my that

485
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 5: concept of therapy is not just in my own head.

486
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 5: It's not it's looking for answers, but that's not it

487
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 5: for everyone.

488
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know therapy is.

489
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 6: It's weird.

490
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: I know, I really I found a lot of joy

491
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: and I'm only I'm I'm not trying to be like,

492
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: uh what I talked on the podcast a little while ago,

493
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: back when I was really, I'm less into it now

494
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: because I think I got I got a little too

495
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: into it and I started like, uh what I what

496
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm What I'm trying to say is like ure, I

497
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: still love journaling, but journaling and throwing my journals into

498
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: chat GPT was really helpful. I could see it being

499
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: kind of detrimental in some sense because I I I

500
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: at a certain point like I was I was kind

501
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: of amazed at the technology. I was amazed that, like

502
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: I could get objective, non emotional, logical, well thought out,

503
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: well reasoned answers from a machine and I and I

504
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: was kind of intoxicated by that for a while. But

505
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: then I started living my life, not living my life,

506
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: but I started kind of thinking in terms of the machine,

507
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: and that was a little too rigid for me. I think,

508
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: but it's helpful if you have you've never done it,

509
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's a helpful thing to do, especially if

510
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: you can't afford us here.

511
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 5: And there for like fucking assignments and ship. But like,

512
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: I haven't put my own personal like, uh, you know,

513
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 5: whatever I'm dealing with into chachipt. I haven't thought about that.

514
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put I'm not gonna put my I'm

515
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: not gonna put my Lyle stamp of endorsement on it

516
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: by any means. But I was doing it for a

517
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: while and it was, uh, it was helpful for me

518
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: for the duration I was doing it, and I still

519
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: I still, I still like use it. I still use

520
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: it for advice a lot because it's.

521
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, but.

522
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's better than me. It's way God,

523
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: it's way better than me. Dear God. Please, if you

524
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: have a question, uh yeah, because chat well, because chat ChiPT,

525
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: you'll never ask it something and and it'll go You'll

526
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: never ask chat chip t something and have it go.

527
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 5: Well.

528
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Yeah, I don't know. That's kind

529
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: of crazy.

530
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 5: You know.

531
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: I'll do that nine times out of ten.

532
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 5: It's all validating to put something into chatch ept and

533
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 5: give it, give me like five hundred seven hundred words

534
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 5: like sometimes I don't want all of that, you know,

535
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 5: but I guess you can tailor your uh message and

536
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 5: have them give you less.

537
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: Well. I think you'll you'll die one day and before that,

538
00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: UH probably have probably find some joys. Is that comforting?

539
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 1: Somewhat somewhat okay?

540
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 5: I like the last part?

541
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: Good? What do you mean? What do you mean? I

542
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: know about it. You're definitely gonna die one day. That's

543
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: one hundred percent thing that I'm certain of. I'm one

544
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: hundred percent certain that you're going to die one day,

545
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm a hundred I'm certain that one day

546
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: you and I will die, and I'm optimistic that between

547
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: now and then we will find uh moments of joy

548
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form, and also moments of

549
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: of sadness and of uh of of horniness and of

550
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: being really hungry and of having diarrhea, and of of

551
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: of eating a piece of candy. Maybe mm hmm.

552
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 5: That does make me feel better? Good? Yes, that was.

553
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: What's your name again?

554
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 5: It's Raffi, Rahi Rassi, It's Raphael, but I.

555
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: Go by well Raffi. Uh, listen, man, God bless Uzbeka

556
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: Stan and God bless your your aunt and I'll see

557
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: God bless your mother, your fucking aunt. Is there anything

558
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: else you want to say to the people of the

559
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: computer before we go?

560
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 5: Uh No, have a good night, drink water. We're all

561
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 5: gonna die.

562
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: We're all gonna die.

563
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 6: Peace.

564
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 5: Thank you.

565
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: That was rafi. That was nice. I liked that. Uh,

566
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: therapy is crazy. I don't have anything else to add

567
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: to that conversation that I don't think I already said.

568
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'm still trying to. I don't know. I'm

569
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: curious people stuff. If you're if you listen to this

570
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: podcast or you watch it on YouTube or whatever, let

571
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: me know. I don't know the conversation we just had.

572
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely curious what other people's thoughts are on it,

573
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: So leave a comment with your thoughts on like Adam's

574
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: therapy helpful for you? Like what's what's been helpful for you?

575
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: Like I guess the general question I'm curious about for

576
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: myself and for the people listening is like like moving

577
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: your life forward or like dealing with your shit, Like

578
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: what's what's been the most helpful thing? Because yeah, I'm

579
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: just to reiterate like I'm so, I'm so torn between

580
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: how much of talking about your problems is centering them

581
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: in your life versus how much how much is centering

582
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: them in your life versus like dealing with it. I

583
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: really don't know, So I'm curious what people think. So

584
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: leave a leave a comment, or or don't or don't

585
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: or do whatever you want. What's up, Shelley? How you doing?

586
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: Oh? Not much. I'm actually doing pretty good. How are you?

587
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 6: Man?

588
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm doing actually pretty good myself. Is there anything

589
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: in particular you you called in to want to talk about, Shelley.

590
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: Well, you did say earlier you're not really in the

591
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: mood for advice.

592
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: Well, I don't, you know, forget about what I said earlier.

593
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: Do you can tell me, you know, don't whatever, whatever

594
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: you want to talk about, I'm in for.

595
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: Hmm. Honestly, I've been doing really good the past times

596
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: I've tried to call in. I always need like some deeps,

597
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: like you know, some types of specific advice, But I

598
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: don't really have anything right now.

599
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: What is it that uh uh okay, Well then what

600
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: is it that was going on? And what changed?

601
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 3: I think I was feeling really lost about what I

602
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: wanted to do in my life. I remember, I feel

603
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: like I didn't have any goals to work for. So

604
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: I'm turning twenty one. I've been doing community college and

605
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: I honestly just did that because it was expected to

606
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: from my family, and I told myself I wanted to

607
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 3: get in psychology, but that shit is kind of way like,

608
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: I don't want to do school. So now I'm pursuing

609
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: audio engineering and music because that's much true passion.

610
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: Very cool and yeah, I mean, are you? Are you

611
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: feeling like you have more direction now.

612
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: I do. I found like this perfect trade school that's

613
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: only like forty minutes away, and it's everything I like

614
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: want and need for, like a day job and audio engineering.

615
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: And also it's like I can learn to be a

616
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: self producing artist too and use all their fancy equipment.

617
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah cool?

618
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 5: Is that? Are you?

619
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: Is that like the uh the ultimate call? Like a

620
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: day job in some form of audio engineering, and then

621
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: the dream is to be like a artists.

622
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: The dream for me honestly lies in singing. I feel

623
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 3: like being more like an artist and not necessarily being famous,

624
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: but being able to just do that as much as

625
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 3: I can and getting paid at the same time. Would

626
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: be great. So yeah, that is the true dream. Like

627
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 3: I get jealous every time I, you know, be someone

628
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: like what's like a recent artist, like you know, just

629
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: like these pop stars that don't even they don't touch

630
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: their instruments. Their producers and audio engineers make the music

631
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: for them. But I want to be able to thing,

632
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: play every instrument, produce it all, mix it. So yeah,

633
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: that is the ultimate goal right now.

634
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. That's cool. It's nice.

635
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: It's nice to you know. For as jealous as you

636
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: may feel about those people. Look, it's nice to have

637
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: something that you want and care about doing. It's value.

638
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: It's a diamond to have a dream. I know that

639
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: sounds like something from a Disney movie, but I really

640
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: mean it. I think it's it's nice to have something,

641
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: to be excited at the potential of a thing that

642
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: could happen, or or I mean most but actually I

643
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: mean look, most of all. Most of all, most of

644
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: all is I'm excited for you because you seem like

645
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: you actually just fucking want to make the music, which

646
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: is the most important part.

647
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 3: Okay, I will say it's not all like paradise. I'm

648
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: having issues finding original sound and original melodies because I'm

649
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: so used to singing everyone else's music and songs and covers.

650
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: So that's the one thing that scares me is like, shit, wait,

651
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 3: what if I like, I can teach myself every instrument,

652
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 3: but how do I compose something like I've never heard

653
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 3: of or someone like someone else has never heard of before?

654
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 5: M hm.

655
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 3: So that's the scary parts. But I think it's something

656
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to learn along the.

657
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 5: Way, you know.

658
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, part of me scared. Part of me feels

659
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: I get like imposter syndrome, like oh, maybe I'm I'm

660
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: not as good as I want to or hope I

661
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: am and will be. But you know, I don't want

662
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: to be like my father's like, oh, you should get

663
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: into medical field and you know, make uh you know

664
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: this much and work in fluorescent lighting twelve hours a day.

665
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: Like that sounds like I would rather kill myself.

666
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:38,959
Speaker 5: Yeah.

667
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: No, yeah, being in med school and working under fluscent

668
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: lighting sucks. I mean, look, some people, well I'm glad

669
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I'm glad not everyone thinks that it sucks,

670
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: because if everyone thought it sucks, then there there'd be

671
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: no doctors when that would be bad. But yeah, yeah, dude. Look,

672
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm good, you get I'm glad to hear that you

673
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: let you have a thing you want to do, you

674
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: have some sort of direction, you know. I I just

675
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: for I guess for anyone listening to this, and and

676
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: you're right. I did say earlier that I'm not uh

677
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: uh uh you know, I'm a little burnt out on advice,

678
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: but I I feel like I've just I've learned a

679
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: couple fucking things, and one of them is like that

680
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: that just having a some semblance of a sense of

681
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: direction of a thing you want to do is is

682
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: where the real beauty lies. I think the beauty lies

683
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: in that and in enjoying the work more than it

684
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: does in uh any kind of material success, right because

685
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: because your yeah, because your material success is everything leads

686
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: back to the actual work of whatever it is you're doing.

687
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: So you can have material success and it's it's it's

688
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: it's great, and it's it can be beautiful, but uh,

689
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: it all comes back to you know, the work. I mean,

690
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: I mean in my life, it's like, uh, you know, whatever,

691
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: I go to interview Doja Cat and I do a

692
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: vice documentary and I tour Australia and you know, I

693
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: got all these cool things. They all lead me right

694
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: back here talking to you doing the work of making

695
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: the fucking podcasts and whatnot. You know what I mean.

696
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: So it all, whatever, it all, it all, it all

697
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: leads back to the work. So if all you have

698
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: is the work and you don't have the material success

699
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: that you imagine, it's the same fucking thing because the

700
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: material success you imagine leads you right back to the work.

701
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: Right Like you you're always you're you're you're in this.

702
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: You're whether you're the most whether you're fucking making music

703
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: in your bedroom for zero people, or you're Kendrick Lamar.

704
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're in the studio. You're both in

705
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: the studio. You're both dragon shit around a fucking timeline

706
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: on your computer and coming up with stuff. So that's

707
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where everything is.

708
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. And I've been watching so I've been doing

709
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: like this thing called mindful doom scrolling. O good, but

710
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 3: I've trained. Here's it sounds bench. But before it used

711
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: to be cross his garbage that I would forget about.

712
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: But now I switched over to like YouTube shorts because

713
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: it's tailored to all of my you know, like of

714
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 3: a music theory artist interviews, and I really like Tyler

715
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 3: the creator. He is saying things like, oh shit, wait,

716
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: I'm going blank. He just has really good advice. It's

717
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: just like, what are you scared of? Go for it?

718
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: Oh one interview? I really like he's like he like

719
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: he put it where no one knows what you're capable

720
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: of except for you, Like, no one knows what you're

721
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: gonna be doing in the next five years. Everyone just

722
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: knows you from what you've already done. So he's telling

723
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 3: everyone at nineteen, I'm gonna get a Grammy. I'm gonna

724
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 3: get a Grammy. And they're like, no, you're not, like

725
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 3: you're just you're just a kid. You're like shut up.

726
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 3: And he was so confident he tweeted it like forever ago,

727
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: and then retweeted it when he won his Grammy, like

728
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: he was just like so inspiring, and it's like I'm

729
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 3: now telling everyone like, hey, by the way, I'm gonna

730
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: want to get Grammy, whether that's in singing or producing.

731
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: Why wait, wait wait wait, why wait Hola HeLa, Why

732
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: are you telling everyone you're gonna win a Grammy Because

733
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna.

734
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: Happen I it's like it's you hold on.

735
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold I just hold on, hold on.

736
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure you heard everything. I

737
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: just want to make sure you heard the rant that

738
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: I went on. Did you hear the rant I just

739
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: went on?

740
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: I yes. But it's also a part of me is

741
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: like I would rather get my hopes ohs than think

742
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: the opposite, like I'm never gonna.

743
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: Win a gram Okay, all right, you know what? You

744
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: know what I you know what? I I hope you

745
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: win a Grammy. I hope you win a Grammy. And

746
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: if and if the idea that someday you may win

747
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: a Grammy makes you feel good and makes you want

748
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: to work and do your thing, then uh, then then

749
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: please continue to tell people that you're gonna get a Grammy.

750
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: Well maybe I shouldn't. Actually, I'm taking it back because

751
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: I've recently looked up the list of artists who hasn't

752
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: don't have Grammys, and Nicki minaj it does not have

753
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: a Grammy, and I think she should, but maybe she

754
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 3: just hasn't got one yet.

755
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, but the Grammys are just like yeah,

756
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: but the Grammys are like that's yeah, but that's all bullshit.

757
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: That's like whatever. That's like ten people who like think

758
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: that they're important enough that they're you know, they matter,

759
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: but they don't. Yeah, who gives a shit about the

760
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: fucking Grammys. Shit, it's just a but it's just a

761
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: bunch of people. The Grammys and the Oscar these are

762
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: these are like a group of like ten fucking people

763
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: who have successfully convinced the masses that their elite opinions

764
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: on things matter and create reality and if it's complete

765
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 1: and total bullshit and doesn't matter at all. I really

766
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: hope that you, you know what, I hope. I hope

767
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: that you can make fifty thousand dollars a year making music.

768
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: That's what I hope for you. I hope you I hope,

769
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: I hope you can. I hope you can achieve higher

770
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: than that. But my baseline hope for you is that

771
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: you make fifty thousand dollars a year making music and

772
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: you and you don't have to work at Chipotle, and

773
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: you can pay off your student debt, and you can

774
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: make the songs you really want to make that make

775
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: you happy to make. That's what I hope for you,

776
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: more than you getting a Grammy.

777
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: You know what, Yeah, shit, you're good, dude, are you?

778
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: Are you a therapist?

779
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: No, I'm a crazy person, but I think about these

780
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: things a lot. I do. I think about these things

781
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: a lot.

782
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 3: You're right. I think I'm definitely setting those realistic goals

783
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: while having, like you know, wishful thinking.

784
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah again, if your wishful thinking makes you feel happy

785
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: and motivated, then God bless you. What's your name again?

786
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: My name is Shelley, Shelly.

787
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: Uh fucking Shelley. Where can we find you?

788
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: I don't that's my thing. I don't have any like

789
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: an online presence.

790
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: You want to you want to win a Grammy?

791
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 5: You don't?

792
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: Ah? My god? All right, well go make one. Goddamn Okay,

793
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: here I.

794
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: Will call and, like you know, I'll have more of

795
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: I was gonna have a gig, but I had to

796
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 3: cancel it because I was washing and someone punched me

797
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: in the throat and I can't really sing right now.

798
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 3: It's getting better.

799
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's called fucking around and finding out.

800
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: No, I didn't want to wash. My friend pushed me

801
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: in and I'll oh, no too much. Oh really it

802
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 3: was like a really shitty venue and it smelled bad

803
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: and it was actually I had a really horrible week,

804
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: but now it's good because I was like, I had

805
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: to cancel my first music gig. They were gonna pay

806
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: me like three twenty five for three hours of singing,

807
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 3: and I'm like, dude, I can do that.

808
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.

809
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: But so that's the thing that's making depress right now.

810
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: I can't sing and I'm a phenomenal singer. Like so

811
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 3: it just knows. Thing just kind of makes me like diference.

812
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: But it's like, just for now, just for now, we're

813
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: taking a break, Shelley.

814
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to say to the people

815
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: of the computer before we go?

816
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 3: I just want to say thank you for being you,

817
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: and stay.

818
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: Green, God bless Afghanistan and talk to you later. Shelley.

819
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 3: All right, I'll have an interview with you when I'm

820
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: rich and famous one day.

821
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: See you later.

822
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: Bye.

823
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: I feel like that thing she said at the end

824
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: indicated that she I don't think she listened to anything

825
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: that I said. But also, I'll you know what, I

826
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: don't think she listened to anything that I said, but

827
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: that's okay. I also think I'm a total I also

828
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: genuinely I think I'm a total bummer. Yeah, that's why

829
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't like giving advice. Is that's what's why, because

830
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: I'm just a bummer. Maybe she totally should aspire to

831
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: win a Grammy. Maybe I'm just being a bummer and

832
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, and you should want to like, you know,

833
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, big dreams are good. Maybe I'm just jealous.

834
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm jealous of her. Maybe that's it. Maybe I'm

835
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: maybe I used to have I used to wanna. Uh well,

836
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: actually I don't know. I mean, I think I accomplished

837
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: a lot of the things I used to wanna. I

838
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: used to wanna accomplish, you know, And so I feel

839
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: like I've seen what that looks like up close, and

840
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: it's different than what it looked like from afar, and

841
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: I feel like I've kind of learned a little bit.

842
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: And so that's why I settle the ship that I said.

843
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: But I also, I think being I also, i've become

844
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: less ambitious over the years. And it's actually one of

845
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: my problems that I've become a little bit less ambitious

846
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: over the years. I'd like to be more ambitious. I've

847
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: been pretty I mean, I started making crap a long

848
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: time ago. I've been making stuff and having ambitions for

849
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: like fourteen years and yeah, maybe I was just jealous

850
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: of her ambition. I wanted to just zap it out

851
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: of her. But simultaneously, I also think I have a

852
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: little bit of perspective on some of this stuff enough

853
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: to that I that I believe. I believe in everything

854
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: I said. But yeah, whatever, I maybe I just want

855
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:45,959
Speaker 1: to Grammy. Maybe that's it all from right? Hello, Hello, Hey,

856
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: what's up?

857
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 6: So Mike picking anything up in the back?

858
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: Uh you are you on like speakerphone or like, what's

859
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: up with you?

860
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 5: No?

861
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 6: I'm on Google Boys.

862
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, all right, all right, So and

863
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: you're holding your phone up your thing.

864
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 6: No, I'm on PC.

865
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're in like a microphone. All right, we

866
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: can check chack check. Can you guys hear this? Guy?

867
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 6: It's exactly like a phone call?

868
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: All right, all right, you guys can hear this.

869
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 4: I've done this before. I've called again. I used SETH

870
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 4: last time.

871
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: Oh oh wait, so we talked before?

872
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 6: Yes?

873
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, well hold on, all right, hold on?

874
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: Actually you know what fuck it? I usually cut this

875
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: part of the podcast out where we're doing the audio

876
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: check stuff, but let's just leave it in for now.

877
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: Let's just leave it in. It's part of it's part

878
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: of the lore of this conversation. Okay. So we've talked before,

879
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: Seth m okay, okay, so hold on, I'm gonna give

880
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: some context.

881
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 6: Can I have a request though? Can you not put

882
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 6: it in the podcast? No? The Spotify podcast? Please?

883
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 5: No?

884
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 6: Wow, rather listen to it?

885
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: Uh no, you don't want to. If you don't want

886
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: to be in the pod cast, then I have to

887
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: hang up on you unfortunately.

888
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 6: Okay, No, no, it's fine, it's fine.

889
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'll talk to you again soon. Seth.

890
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, just put it in the podcast.

891
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: Okay. You you're okay with this being in the podcast?

892
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 6: Yeah?

893
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, discle Are you all right?

894
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: Are you? Hola HeLa? Are you? Are you sure? Because

895
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't if we have this conversation, I'm fine and we.

896
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: Just if we with you, you could cut it. But

897
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 4: you know I'm fine with it being in that.

898
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: Well, I only here's look, I only want I only

899
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: I only want you to do this if you want

900
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: to be in the podcast.

901
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 4: Well no, no, that's the thing is I'm fifty to

902
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 4: fifty over it. So I'm comfortable with it being online inaccessible?

903
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: Are you one hundred percent short?

904
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 6: Yes? Yes?

905
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: Okay, well I did we I this is recorded confirmation.

906
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: You are one hundred percent short?

907
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 6: Ye?

908
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: You want this to be in the podcast?

909
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 5: You?

910
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm asking you three times? Mm hmm you sure?

911
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 6: Yes?

912
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: All right, we're leaving all this in. This is all well,

913
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: this is we're not cutting out the audio checks. We're

914
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: not cutting out this. This is all staying in.

915
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 6: Whole thing. Whole thing, all right.

916
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: So for some context, is I remember you, You're you're eighteen.

917
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 6: Right, yeah? Do you want me to do a recap?

918
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: I can, No, I'll do I'll do the recap. So

919
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: you're eighteen, and you were talking about last time we talked.

920
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: You talked about how you were gonna go on it.

921
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: You wanted to go on a trip, right, yeah, but

922
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: your friends weren't weren't gonna go with you, and you

923
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: weren't gonna go You didn't want to go without your friends.

924
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: And I was telling you that you should just go anyway,

925
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: and I was yelling at you a lot, and I

926
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: was talking over you a lot, and I got a

927
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: lot of comments on our conversation.

928
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 6: That's actually my brother texted me about it. That's why

929
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 6: I know he listened to it.

930
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: I got a lot of comments on our conversation from

931
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: people saying that I yelled at you too much and

932
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: I talked over you too much. Did you see those?

933
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 6: Also? I also know there were comments.

934
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: I also thought I was fine. I also I disagreed

935
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: with those comments. I felt as though I yelled at

936
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: you an appropriate amount, and I and I that was.

937
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 6: All over the place. I actually have notes this time.

938
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't regret yelling at you every I I meant

939
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: every word that I yelled at your face. What are

940
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: your notes?

941
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

942
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: Go ahead, all right, So.

943
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 4: The context when I called last time, right, some dude

944
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 4: kind of dropped a nuke on the friend group went

945
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 4: to ship.

946
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 6: It's fine now.

947
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 4: Actually, it's like nothing happened, except he's just not there.

948
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 4: And it's hilarious because he's now best friends with one

949
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 4: of our other friends exes and someone else's exes. So

950
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 4: we call them the Evil League of Exes because they're

951
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: all friends and like two of them are dating.

952
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 6: It's hilarious. They're like the Evil US. So funny but irrelevant.

953
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: So Seth, So Seth, Seth, let me ask you this,

954
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: what's going. What's going on with you? Are you going

955
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: to take the trip?

956
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 6: Uh? Probably not? Actually, well why not? Uh, I'm gonna

957
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 6: wait till next year.

958
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: What's next? What's happening next year?

959
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 4: Uh?

960
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 5: No?

961
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 6: Money right now?

962
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: Okay?

963
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 6: All right? And also my friends are.

964
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 4: I'd want I'd be willing to wait for them because

965
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 4: it's they're both coming.

966
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: I didn't I thought, seth. I yelled at you about

967
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: this already. You want me to yell at you again? No? No,

968
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: all right, Well but well listen, Well, well let me

969
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: ask you this man. You called back in again, and

970
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm curre serious. Uh why I assume you had a

971
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: specific reason.

972
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 6: Uh, just kind of.

973
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 4: An update, because like, my first semester of classes bombed,

974
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 4: it completely bombed. It past my physics class.

975
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm, that's it. It's crazy. So I'm trying not

976
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 6: to do that again. And then.

977
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 4: My other friend group went to ship. Actually, uh, the

978
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 4: other one's completely fine. Then the other one just like

979
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 4: exact same thing, but it's online, so it's like not

980
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 4: as serious, but like talk to him daily for a

981
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 4: few years, so.

982
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 6: It sounds just like nah, whatever, Okay, trying to put

983
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 6: together my notes.

984
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: Can you know, can you know if very you have

985
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: not you have notes, right, mm hmmm are they like

986
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: bullet point notes?

987
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 5: Yeah?

988
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: Okay? Can you just read me off all of the

989
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: bullet points?

990
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 4: Oh okay, so we got it based off of the

991
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 4: online friend group event going to.

992
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: Ship could you could you? Could you just read them

993
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: to me like verbatim, like just like no context, read

994
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: the words.

995
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I have it in three.

996
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 4: So it's before, uh, the thing that happened, and after

997
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 4: the before is just recap about all that, and so

998
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 4: pretty much bullet point one is done. Now we're at

999
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 4: the online friener bullet point and then we'll get to what.

1000
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: Happened after seth Can you read just the piece of paper?

1001
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: I just read all the bullet points.

1002
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 4: So number two, I think we kind of covered this

1003
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 4: in the last one. It's like I've been gay the

1004
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 4: whole time, but then there's like this chick that I like,

1005
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 4: So we figured that whole thing outa gay, but I

1006
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 4: can develop feelings for chicks and that has to come

1007
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 4: into play.

1008
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 6: So chicked it have known for a while.

1009
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: Right, wait, hold on, what's what? What is this?

1010
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 4: This is the point too, because if I read the

1011
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 4: bullet points and that, yeah.

1012
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: But I just I just was I just want you

1013
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: to you know what, ah, it works, it works, I promise, Seth,

1014
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: you know what. I I just can you just you

1015
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: need to me the bullet.

1016
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 6: Uh met The chick bumbled mm hmmm.

1017
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 4: That thing that I just explained and a heart effects

1018
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 4: trying not to fail classes, trying not to fail them,

1019
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 4: trying to go to classes, figuring out how to recover

1020
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 4: from the fumble is what I need the advice on.

1021
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, go ahead, all right, let's focus let's

1022
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: focus in on that. Let's focus in on that. Let's

1023
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: focus in on that. That's that that's gonna be what

1024
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: this call is about. Focusing on what, go ahead and

1025
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: what is the fumble? What did you fumble?

1026
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 4: So chick known her for like a year, my age online,

1027
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 4: same interests and shit talk like daily VC's ship all that.

1028
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 4: The thing is, she lives like twelve hours away, but

1029
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 4: like I've talked to her mom and she and like

1030
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 4: her dad. I fucking and I've known her for like

1031
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 4: two years almost.

1032
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 5: So.

1033
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 4: Like I was like, oh, she's kind of cool, right,

1034
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, I like her more than

1035
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 4: just she's my friend.

1036
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 6: And I was like, okay, fuck it, I'll go for

1037
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 6: it instead of just being a little piss whim. Uh

1038
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 6: it was a no. But then she's awkward. And now

1039
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 6: because the whole.

1040
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 4: Thing is like that friend group, I was kind of like, meh,

1041
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 4: she was really the only reason I'm still friends with

1042
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 4: half the people.

1043
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 6: So it's like, do I try to salvage the relationship.

1044
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: Or I'm Seth, Seth Seth, I I true, truly, I

1045
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: only I'm I'm only acting like this because I'm I'm investing.

1046
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean this, I'm investing. No, No, I'm

1047
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I am. I am invested in you having

1048
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: a good life. I don't know you at all, but

1049
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm just like, in this moment that I'm talking to you,

1050
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm invested in you having a good life. I'm extremely

1051
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: confused at what online Okay, okay, what do you mean

1052
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: you fumbled friends with Like okay, all right, you're friends

1053
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: with her, she says. She says, No, that's not a fumble.

1054
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: That's not a.

1055
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 6: Fumble that I feel like.

1056
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: No, No, no, set Seth Seth, not a fumble. It's

1057
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: actually uh, it's it's actually a field. It's actually hold

1058
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: on it's actually a field.

1059
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 5: Goal.

1060
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: Let me tell you why it's a field goal. Let

1061
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: me tell you why it's a field goal, Seth. Let

1062
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: me tell you why it's a field goal, Seth. Okay,

1063
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: not to fumble, Seth. I Seth, I said, I said,

1064
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna said, I'm gonna yell It's not I'm gonna

1065
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: keep yelling at you. I'm gonna yell you again. I'm

1066
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: gonna yell at you. All the comments are gonna be like, li,

1067
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 1: why do you yell at that guy? And I'm gonna

1068
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: not care and I'm gonna be Yeah, Seth, it was

1069
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: not a fumble. It was a field goal. Okay, fucking

1070
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: listen to me. The second you decided, you know what,

1071
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna express my feelings for this girl, and the

1072
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: second you grew the balls and you did it, you

1073
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: scored the field goal.

1074
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 6: Mmmm.

1075
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: Okay. Because now, because you're eighteen and no relationship you're

1076
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: gonna have at this point in your life is gonna

1077
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: really matter all that much. But the development of the

1078
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: skill of having the courage to express your feelings is

1079
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: is a w and is a field goal, and is

1080
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: not a fumble a fumble in this situation for you,

1081
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: Seth would be if you were to never express your

1082
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: feelings at all and decide to play it completely safe

1083
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: and not risk rejection. That's a fumble, Seth. But but

1084
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: what but what then.

1085
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 6: We'd still be talking because.

1086
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 7: Like, okay, okay, yeah, okay, okay, yeah okay, But but

1087
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 7: you would still be Yes, you would, Yes, you would

1088
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 7: have a relationship that is skewed by the dishonesty of

1089
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 7: your feeling of your of your feelings for her, because

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01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 7: you would have a friendship with this woman, but you

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01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 7: would want something more, and the fact that you want

1092
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 7: something more would be it was, it would be what

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01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 7: I'd rather put up.

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01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 6: With that then, yeah, the ship.

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01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: But Seth, Seth, Seth? Are you like, are you in

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01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: college or anything? Like? What are you doing?

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01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm in college. I'm in computer engineering.

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01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: Okay. Do you live on campus?

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01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: You live out? You live on a college campus. Like

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01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: are you staying in a dorm? Yes, Seth, I'm in Seth.

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01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you. Go out in, Seth. You're eighteen,

1103
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: you live on a college campus.

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01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 8: Fuck this girl that lives twelve hours away, who you

1105
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 8: said she doesn't like you? Go God damn it, Seth.

1106
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 8: Go to clubs. Go start clubs, go talk to random

1107
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 8: people that you find attractive on park benches. God, but

1108
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 8: but what Seth.

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01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 6: That requires socialization?

1110
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: It's sure, yeah, sure, God damn does Seth?

1111
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 6: Would you would you do that.

1112
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 4: If I were you, if you were in my if

1113
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 4: you were in my predicament, what would you do if

1114
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 4: I were in your predicament?

1115
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you something, Seth. If I was

1116
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: in your predicament and I was the eighteen year old

1117
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: version of myself, I would be you know, I was

1118
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: okay when I was eighteen. I was actually pretty, you

1119
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: know whatever. You know what, Here's the problem is that

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01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: if I were the eighteen year old version of myself,

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01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: I would have eighteen year old version of myself fears

1122
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: and anxieties, which I and you know now that I'm

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01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: talking about it, I ampathize with you that you have

1124
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: those fears and anxieties that eighteen year old version of

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01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: myself would have. But I'm okay, but you get what.

1126
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm okay, But I'm twenty seven version of your old Okay,

1127
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: But I'm twenty seven year old version of myself now

1128
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: and you and I are talking, and I'm trying to

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01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: tell you with my twenty seven year old version of

1130
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: myself with my brain that you should overcome the fear

1131
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: that you have of the socialization and not be fixated

1132
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,479
Speaker 1: on this you know, this, this lady that lives twelve

1133
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: hours away and so and so and so and so.

1134
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: If I were you now with the brain I have now,

1135
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: I would I would write down a list of my

1136
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: interests and I would join or start clubs related to them,

1137
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: and I would try to work up the cajoles to

1138
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: fucking talk to people. And uh, it's really hard.

1139
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 5: I don't.

1140
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: I don't, I really I don't have like good advice

1141
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: for you on on how to get over it. But

1142
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: like you know, I mean, that's that's the thing.

1143
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 5: Man.

1144
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: It's a real Nike just do it situation. But I again,

1145
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know. And I actually think I

1146
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: did really understand this when I was eighteen. Is like

1147
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: the the putting yourself out there and getting rejected is

1148
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: not a fumble. The fumble is to you know, just

1149
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: just stay in your room and you know, jerk off

1150
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: a thousand times and and and not do anything. You know, kid, Okay,

1151
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: do you yet? Okay, I'm gonna I'm that's all I

1152
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: have for you today. That's all I have for you today, Seth,

1153
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: call in, call call in next week, we'll talk again. Well,

1154
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna We're gonna keep doing this

1155
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: until you eventually call me and you're like, things are

1156
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: going good. I don't I normally I don't like normally,

1157
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: I truly I don't like when people I don't really

1158
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: like return callers. Things are fine, hold on, but I'm

1159
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: not a big hold on I'm not a big return

1160
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: caller guy, like historically in this podcast, I'm not a

1161
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: return caller guy. I wanna make an exception for you, Seth.

1162
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: If you call it, you call in again, don't call

1163
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: in next week, call in, give it some time, but

1164
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: you call in again, I will make you the only

1165
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: honorary return therapy get going caller. Mainly because I have

1166
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: a lot of fun yelling at you and I want

1167
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: to know. I want to hear what's going on in

1168
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: your life. Yeah, it makes it. I get a lot

1169
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: of adrenaline and serotonin from yelling at you. So please

1170
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: call in again.

1171
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, I will, I will.

1172
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 5: All right?

1173
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: Is there anything else do you want to say to

1174
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go Seth.

1175
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 4: I saw this reel where it was an idea for

1176
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 4: a show where it's nine gay dudes and one straight

1177
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 4: dude and they have to vote out the straight guy

1178
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 4: and if it remains him, he gets money. But plot

1179
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 4: twists they're all straight guys and it's just weeks of

1180
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 4: ten straight dudes convincing each other who's gay.

1181
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll check that out.

1182
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 6: That would be awesome, wouldn't it not? It would be layers.

1183
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: All right, I'll think I'll talk I'll talk to you later, Seth. Okay,

1184
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: all right, later man later. Yeah, well, I don't know

1185
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, well we'll hear from Seth again. I'm

1186
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: not a big return caller guy. But I something about out,

1187
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: you know what. I It's funny. I was talking to

1188
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: Seth and just now and I was like, yeah, if

1189
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: I had if I were back into my eighteen year

1190
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: old version of myself, I would probably would probably have

1191
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: similar amounts of anxiety that he does. But I'm trying

1192
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: to but that. But if I could go back, but

1193
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: if I could go back with my twenty seven year

1194
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: old brain, I might do it a little bit differently.

1195
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know, isn't at the point of a

1196
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: conversation is you get a different perspective on a thing.

1197
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I also I just I really like yelling.

1198
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 8: Goes on the line, taking your phone calls every night ever,

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01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 8: goes to he's.

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01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: Teaching you loud life. Really an expert