WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Getting Greedy at Receiver? 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:04.840 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:16.640 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:20.079 spreading live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:32.680 Star in Frisco. Here are Nicky Spagnola, Brian Brunts, Rob Phillips, 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:38.919 and Bill Jones. Well that was ugly. We are here 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.640 to beautify things. Got a beautiful Monday at the Star 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:46.480 in Brisco. This is Talking Cowboys. And I would say 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.599 Brian brought us, Mickey Spagnola and Rob Phillips are just 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.640 the people to beautify things and put in perspective what 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.320 happened on Sunday night at at and T Stadium. Would 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.000 y'all agree? I don't think I can paint that well, 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.920 one of the ugliest preseason games you might ever see. Well, 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.319 mostly an address rehearsal air quotes. Well, let's put it 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.399 in historical perspective. Off the top, the worst Cowboys preseason 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:17.080 game ever. Do you know when that was? It was 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:22.360 like thirty four those no, no, no, no no. Do 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:27.200 you know when the worst Cowboys preseason game? I was 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.240 a part of. Some of that was before you You 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.920 might have been sitting before watching for your existence, But 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.360 was it a salesmanship club game. One of those, uh, 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.440 was a salesmanship club game. There we go. Give me 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:45.480 the year sixties, nineteen seventy four. How long did the 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.520 salesmanship club game last? I think it's it's gone all 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:50.760 the way? Oh, I think it went well. But did 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.160 it go all the way through? I think Andrew Shram 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.960 and Brandt Era, yes, yes, yeah, I think, Oh, then 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.040 that's given you a big time hit right there. Nineteen 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:05.000 eighty eight, nineteen eighty eight. In fact, it was thirty 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.440 years ago today. On August twenty seventh, nineteen eighty eight, 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.239 the Houston Oilers beat the Cowboys fifty four to ten, 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.200 Good Lord in the final preseason game that year. So 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:18.280 it was the final preseason game of the Landry Shram Okay? 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.519 Was that? Was it the fourth game or the sixth game? 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.360 When did we start? It was? Yeah? When did we 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.720 stop playing? Nineteen seventy seven or eight? Did they play 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.160 entire sixteen game schedule? Yeah? When they went to sixteen, 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:35.359 they went to four. Now Parcel's first preseason, Yeah, we 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:40.120 were three Arizona. Yeah. Been the ugly as it was nothing. Yeah, 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.040 that was actually the first preseason game that I called 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:47.160 at Sun Devil Stadium, and that was bad for our 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.560 deep blue. Bill told Ken and me that he told 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.840 Jerry after that game that we couldn't we won't be 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.040 able to beat a good junior high team this year. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.720 That bad and they turned out being Okay, this is 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:00.760 up there though, right, this is this was pretty ugly 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:05.600 last night it was, but today we move on. Right, Wow, 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.799 it's a good thing. There wasn't any prime many prime 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.799 time players participating. I thought you were gonna say a 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:18.280 good thing. It wasn't on Prime time telling it was Yeah, 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.960 I think that to me. I think Mickey's right though. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:24.840 It's it's one of those things that you can go 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.040 back and watch and not everybody played terribly, though there's 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.840 some guys. That's why you're going to beautify, Yes, and 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:35.760 I'm not going to sugarcoat things, but you know, I 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.200 think like there needs to be some serious discussions now 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.240 about what's going on wide receiver. And I'm not just 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.400 saying because the guy's fumbling punts and beautifying things. What 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.720 I'm saying is dig and find out what mattered from that. Yeah, 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:53.120 I'll say this. Going back and watching it again, I 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.160 think and I was I wanted to see Kadeem Edwards 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.800 play well. And I don't think kadem Edwards played badly 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.680 at all for a guy having to make a start, Now, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.040 do you want him to go three, four or five 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.720 games as a starter. I don't think necessarily that's the case. 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.320 But I was looking for him to show some things 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.720 more than what I had seen in training camp, you know. 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.280 And but he was not terrible. You know, you look 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.039 at what look at Jordan Lewis. We'd kind of been 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.840 I've been very critical of Jordan Lewis and Anthony Brown 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.080 and guys like that. You go back and look at 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.680 Jordan Lewis. The way he played, you know, that to 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.159 me was something that, Okay, I can hang my hat 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.360 on that. March Lillard hasn't played really all that well 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.800 in all the preseason games he's been involved. Last night 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:39.440 he played pretty well. So there's there's some guys that 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.600 jobs were on the line. Maybe it might be too late, 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.320 but there were some guys that actually stepped up and 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.960 played well in that football game. Joe Looney's got a job. 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.080 He's going to be your starting center week one. We 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.920 all assume we'll see what happens with Travis and how 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.520 soon he can get back. He continues to play well 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.840 and so that's and he's getting reps next to Connor Williams. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.479 To me, that's good. They need time together. You you 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.080 asked Jason Garrett about that, the fact that Travis and 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.360 Connor didn't have a lot of time together. And now 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.960 Travis is out, that's good, that's good, and it seems 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.400 to be playing well. They missed some opportunities last night 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.040 to make some plays, you know they did, they mean 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.040 they you know, Cole Beasley, you couldn't he couldn't run 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.160 a better stutter go than what he did. You gotta 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.120 hit that pass. You know you got you got him beat. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.279 There's some there's some you know, you're you're throwing the 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.800 ball late to Patrick Peterson's side. That's not good. You 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.640 don't do that. But that's that's just you know, they 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.320 had some opportunities, and you know, but it would it 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.279 would have made a difference. I mean, they just made 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.679 so many miscues with the fumbles and the punt returns 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.120 and the things like that. You can't can't overcome. I've 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.440 never seen a game where eight turnovers. I've never I've 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.640 never I've never seen I've never seen a game with 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.640 that many turnovers, I mean by one team. You didn't 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.960 see the Oaklhoma Nebraska game in nineteen seventy eight, was 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.200 it that eight turnovers? I think they I think they fumbled. 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.240 I think, oh you fumbled seven or eight times, and 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:07.680 David Overstreet didn't. Billie Simms fumbled on the three yard line. 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.800 And the regular season game, yeah, where you came back 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.000 in one of the orange bulleys seven. I'm talking about 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.840 games where where the weather, you know, where the weather 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.320 was a factor and stuff. I mean, this was I've 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.919 never seen a game where this many, that many turnovers, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:22.640 but it's just you know, and a lot of it 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.240 was something. You know, it's unfortunate what happened with the 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.599 Byron Jones thing. And Byron Jones. If Byron one side 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.640 of the field they're blocking, they're double team and the 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.080 guy and the other side where Byron Jones is, they're 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.320 single blocking with Byron Jones looping back. So if they're 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:41.080 just double team in that side as well, Lancelora, he's thinking, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:42.919 I fair caught this ball. I've got to catch it 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.520 on their side of the fifty. So he's hustling to 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.720 try and do that. You know, when you get Byron 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.320 Jones trying to position himself to make a block because 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.680 he's coming around. That's kind of a self inflicted deal 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.120 right there. Why one side you're double teaming, the other 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.839 side you're looping guys around, and he probably didn't see 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.359 the fact that they didn't see each other. He called 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.039 a fair catch, you know, because it was and he 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.159 made a good decision because he had to come way 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.159 up to come way up to get it. Now he 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.480 countered it with the next one that was a terrible 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:13.920 should have never touched the ball, just let it go. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.400 It was over your head. The guy kicked the ball 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:20.760 sixty yards boom that punt. That's pressure. That's pressure. That's 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.040 pressure to try and make place right there. And he's 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.560 had such a good camp as a receiver, and ultimately 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.840 I think that's gonna be his job if he makes 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.480 the team. Can I ask you, guys, but this goes 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.040 back to last year. He's had trouble fielding punts. I 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.560 don't think that's something you want him to do if 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.120 he's on this rock. That's the worst he's done. He 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.440 muffed some last year and practicing yeah, I know, But 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.000 this year he's been really good at it. That's that. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.320 That was the strange thing. Well, question on on a rule, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.880 so he nearly recovered it, it's a safety in the 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:56.480 end zone. It's a spot. Yeah, they called it a 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.280 muff on the score sheet. Yeah, that's a muff. So 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.320 but have been a safety if he recovered in the 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.760 end zone himself. I gotta look that up because they 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.560 marked the ball where he where firstly touched it. Yeah, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.240 see that that would have been I'm glad I wouldn't 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.360 broadcasting last night and they had a chance. I mean 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.520 he had he had he had the ball and it 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.920 squirted out. But Woosier had the ball right, if he 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.080 recovered it would have been safety. Should probably know the rules, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:23.880 but I don't. I was just wondering when I when 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.600 I saw it, ask you guys this, how do you rate? 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.000 You know, Stephen Jones came in the radio's time about 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:33.680 maybe keeping seven receivers. Maybe, how do you how do 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.760 you rate this group so far what you've seen? Is 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:41.600 there seven worthy receivers? That's a safety. Never I'm sorry, 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.760 it's got to be. Let's move on. Yeah, what you're 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:51.760 talking about. But it was just safety. But when he 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.920 started talking about the muffed punt, right, you know, sometimes 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.720 you don't know. But does this team have seven legitimate 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.240 wide receivers? I mean does it? Or does it have 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.880 five legitimate wide receiver? And when you look around the league, 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.600 I bet you there are thirty one other teams in 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.240 the league having the same debate about wide receivers. Because 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:15.160 there are wide receivers who, like Lance Lenoire's had a 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.720 great camp. Well, you can't expose him, right, waiver wire, 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.280 they got an injured guy like a Noah Brown or 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.880 Deontay Thompson, what are you gonna do with them? Right? 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.040 You know? And what would this team better be better 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:32.480 off just picking their best five receivers and saying, you 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.719 know what, we use those other two positions to keep 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.240 an extra tight in, to keep an extra defensive lineman, 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.199 to keep an extra or your best five. Yeah, just 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.240 who your best five is? Is it? Is it? They 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.200 can't make a decision off seven. They're gonna they're gonna 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.800 trade one of them. Well think the max is they 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.040 would keep six, right, they're not gonna keep Okay, okay, 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.560 but but the way your team is, the way your 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:01.320 team looks right now, do you cannot have seven wide receivers. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.520 Stephen Jones, I respect the heck out of you, I 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.120 really do. But I don't know how you carry seven 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.480 wide receivers. If that's what he's talking of. One of 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:12.440 them is going to go on ir Noah Brown probably yeah, 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.840 because they've protected him and having issue showsed him to anything. 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.160 And here was a young guy coming into the league 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.760 and so it's a red shirt year. All right, Mickey, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:22.839 you said the word trade, Which one you trade? I'm 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.000 not gonna. I don't know. I'm not sure which one 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:30.680 would have some value to get me an offensive and 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:34.560 all you're looking for is a backup, yes, offensive lineman 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.199 or safety. It's not like you're using it to trade 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.560 for Earl Thomas sus. The most valuable trade piece you got, 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:44.720 then a wide receiver, is it Williams Easley? Probably? Well 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.240 Beasley would be, but you're not parting with the Unfortunately 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.200 Beasley's Your best wide receiver might be Michael Gallup. But 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.360 I'm not trading now. I'm saying what was the question 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:59.080 most value? Yeah, I'm saying yeah, yeah, if you're gonna 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.199 try and get I mean to me, this is where 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.200 this is where Joe and Flower Mount gets a little 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.280 confused Joe and Flower Mounts thinks you could trade Chaz 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.640 Green for Earl Thomas. It doesn't work that way. They 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.600 watch tape two in Buffalo and New at the Jets 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.640 and Giants and Raiders. They watch film there, so you 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.800 don't feel like that you could just say, Okay, we're 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.000 gonna get so if you legitimately want to go get 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.679 a real player, you've got to figure out who you 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.600 could part with. Who would Jacksonville one as wide receiver? 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.560 They just lost Mark Easley. Think about how they play 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.160 though with what they had. I don't know. Maybe does 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.760 think Coughlin would one? Does? I don't think so. I 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:44.439 don't know. I don't think. Well they had Alan had 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.679 Alan Hurns. Yeah, I'm just throwing they probably wish they 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.760 still did. What kind of guys Lee? You know? I 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:56.480 mean a speedy, shifty, playing the slot kind of guy. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:01.480 But you know I'm interested because Mickey's telling me he okay, 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.040 he's saying that he thinks they're gonna trade a guy. Okay, 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.600 I'm interested. I'm always interested. I'm not interested in keeping 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.480 seven guys. I'm not interested in keeping six if they're 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.560 all the same guy, I'm not interested in that. I 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.880 got other problems on this football team. I got, I 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:20.480 got safety problems, I got backup offensive lineman problem. You got. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.679 You got a center issue now even more than you did. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.400 Dustin Stanton leaves the game last night. What happened to 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.559 his knee? Right? It didn't look good? Bad? And that's 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.040 your backup to Joe Louis. Well, there's your there's your 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.360 you know the safety you lost the other day in Cincinnati. 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.280 It's the same situation. I mean, you're you know you're 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.920 losing guys that. Yeah, But I'm with you, Brian. I 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.240 mean those are two Stephen Jones spoke to this on 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.880 the fan today. Those two positions stick out like a 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.640 sore thumb right now. In terms of depth. Deontay Thompson 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.600 trade him. I think he's got value. I don't disagree 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.040 with you, Mickey. They always talk though about how much 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.360 the element of speed and Deontay Thompson and Tavon is 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:06.160 going to change this offense. You have to give something 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.800 up of value to get what I need. Yea, Uh, 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.720 it's almost like that becomes a luxury right now. How 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:15.959 do you know, though, I mean you can look into it, right, 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.280 but we've talked about how important it is if you 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:23.320 have quality offensive linemen, you keep them, right unless you're dying, 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.079 Unless you're dying for a wide receiver, right, or you're 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.360 dying for a lineback, you're dying for something. Maybe there's 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.320 a team out there that needs a receiver badly, but 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.560 you don't know that you can flip a receiver for 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.200 a quality backup lineman. I mean, I don't know. Those 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:40.599 are harder to find than maybe a backup isn't necessarily 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.160 that when you've got the surplus of wide receivers in 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.959 the league, and then it's like running backs, right. Yeah, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.959 I'm gonna try and convince you guys offensive lineman. I 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.360 don't care whether it's a tackle or an interior guy. 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.320 They're hard. They're not letting those guys go because they're 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.440 you don't have as many. Take pless a dime a dozen, deal, right, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.920 Take take this for what it's worth. I was talking 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:05.160 with Gil Brandt about no one has any backup offensive lineman. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.440 He goes one team has some good depth, and he 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.599 said Jacksonville. Yeah, oh, I was just looking up Jacksonville 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.960 right now. That's about they have a need for a 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:18.200 wide receiver. So you never know. How about that? See, 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.520 how have you talked to Gil last night? Last night? 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.000 Okay was at the game, so it was after the 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.080 wide receiver had gone down for Jacksonville. So he's thinking 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.520 he's along the same lines we are, you know. I'm no, 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.840 he wasn't saying trade receiver. I was just saying, no 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.640 one has any depth. Yeah, on the offensive line. If 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.600 you watch the preseason games, it's ugly once you get 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.920 past the starters. Well, see that's what I'm saying. Though, 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.520 you've got to give something up, and you have to 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.320 give up the horse trading. You go give up Jordan 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.960 Lewis you up Anthony Brown? You're gonna have to give 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.640 up somebody to get somebody that can help you. Yeah, 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.920 I'm all for doing that. I'm all for giving up 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.960 a guy if it means I could get somebody in return. Now, 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.400 you better be able to identify the guy you want. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.440 So you're not confident that those guys that death can 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.120 be found just off of cuts around the league. No, no, No, 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.680 you'd have to trade to get a quality guy. Yeah, 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.920 because there are you are. We are seeing guys this 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.800 past week by team's cut. Loco was one. I mean 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.040 guys that are veterans, that that's the best veteran that 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:26.840 can go where he wants. I mean, you're gonna have to. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.680 You know where Mickey was talking about the other day. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.040 You know, he took a deal because he went to 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.440 a place where he's familiar with the coach. There were 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.360 only two places he was going to go, Minnesota and Oakland. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.800 Everybody else was out which right by the way, he 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:46.359 traded Ryan Switzer today. Well, I was about to say that, Okay, 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.760 with the new rules that are in place where there 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:54.080 there's no cutdown until September first, Okay, do you expect 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.400 this week there might be more trades than what we've seen. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:02.360 I would hope, so Yan, Yeah, just got traded. The 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.760 fact that you can now trade compensatory picks. You don't 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.040 know what they are, but you kind of have an 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.560 idea in your mind, wait until number one. No, go 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.960 get guys. You don't want to wait until September first, Okay, 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:19.240 you're into game weight now. Yeah. And secondly, what's gonna 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.600 be out there? I don't want to battle somebody else 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.720 for an offensive lineman that I like, you're solving another 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.320 team's roster bubble right at the same time, you're You're right, 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.320 it's it's benefiting both teams in a trade. It is, 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.720 And you know, to me, that's where I feel like 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:38.320 though you help your team. You know, the second draft 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.000 is really using the waivers, that's a second draft, but 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.520 to get the players you really cover it. I don't 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.120 want to fight where I finished last year. I'm in 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.320 the middle of the pack as far as claiming rights go. 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:54.520 I'm not interested in fighting bad football teams for players. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.120 You know that this. You know there's teams are gonna 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.280 look at their roster and say, boy, we did a 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.760 terrible job signing college free agents. Yeah. And there are 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.320 bad football teams who with a record of zero and 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.679 zero right now, who think that they are going to 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.200 the playoffs this year and they're gonna they're gonna nab 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.000 that backup center that you had your eye on. Yeah, 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.600 and that's that's because you could look at your own team, 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.440 and Mickey just said it. You watch these preseason games. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.040 There are not a lot of offensive linemen backup offensive 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.119 linemen out there. So if it means me having to 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.520 go give up somebody, if I could go young player 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.040 for young player, fine, If I have to give up 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.040 a draft pick. I'm okay with that too. I don't 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.280 have a problem with that. I'm trying to play for 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.840 now is what I'm trying to do. I'm not worried 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.760 about April of two thousand and nineteen in a draft, 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.240 unless it's the fourth overall pick or something like. That's 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:50.840 the safety things. Have you gone? John Geesick, that's good, 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.840 that's a they traded for him, yeh yeah, but can 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.400 you find somebody? Well, that's what I'm saying that that's 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.719 where that's why they've been to all these you know, 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.879 all these they've been watching the film, they've been to 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.959 these games live. You know, guys are watching. They're saying, Hey, 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:07.919 they're trying to stash this guy, or they're trying to 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.720 do this, or hey, ask for this guy. You know. 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.400 That's where that's where your pro department has to come in. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:15.800 That's where they have to save the day for you 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.880 because they're saying, Okay, well what about this guy? Should 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.160 we trade for this guy? Yes, trade for this guy. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.880 So behind the scenes this week, paint the scene for 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.760 us and pull back to kurtin a little bit. What's 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.440 going on as far as getting close to countdown date 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.720 and the Pro Department and Stephen Jones and Jerry what 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.080 it used to be have to do you used to 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:38.200 have two cuts? Yeah today, so now now you've getten. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.480 Now you've got you know, you've seen three games on 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.400 most of these guys one team Baltimore in Chicago you've 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.480 seen four games on. But we're talking about players here 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:49.880 who are going to make your fifty three man rosters, 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.480 so players who wouldn't be playing on Thursday anyway. Significant 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.720 discussions today has to be the scouts are the scouts 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.399 are in today eating lunch. That tells me they're getting 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.360 ready for a down. It's what they're telling because we'll happen. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.119 The waivers will roll in and they'll say, okay, what 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.240 about this guy? Claim claim claim no, not this guy, 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:08.879 don't do this guy? You know that's what that's the 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.280 discussions you have. Did they put a board together? But 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.800 do you take all the cut tags off the board 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.000 and you put them in there by position? And then 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.639 we used to just go through and say claim this 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:21.679 guy practice squad this guy, you know that's how he 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.440 used to do that. Did they already anticipate that and 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.320 create a board and not yet, not yet? You will 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.159 not mean, you have an idea how people are playing people, 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.240 how they're using the guy, whether they're going to keep 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.640 him around or not. So but you get one more 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.320 shot at looking at a bunch of players and hopefully 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.560 a guy that you kind of like doesn't get hurt 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:42.479 in this last game if he's playing. I mean, if 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.920 you look at the offensive lineman they have right now, 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:50.399 they're and count Travis Frederick in the in the group. Okay, 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.159 so I think we have to do this. Okay, So 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.280 they got five solids, so I'm saying six six total, 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.560 and then you got two open spots. Yeah, you know what, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.080 there's a I this is where. This is where if 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.040 you said, okay, I'm not carrying seven wide receivers or 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.480 even six wide receivers, I'm carrying extra offensive linemen because 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.520 all of a sudden, that's proven to be an area 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.640 where I don't know how you guys feel great about 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.160 Cam Fleming get up a sack in the second half 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:21.159 to right now it's Cap Cappy and otherwise it was 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:25.080 the open door policy for the Cowboys offensive lied last 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.560 night as Dora had three sacks. Yeah you like that, 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:32.320 Mickey opened door open. I didn't. I didn't I didn't 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.439 feel like like you say, I mean to me, I 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.280 look at Edwards. I don't. I'm starting not to have 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.480 a problem with him. But I need other bodies, which 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.720 I need others you can I mean, you're talking about 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.280 going lighter at receiver, right, yeah, running back receiver. You 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:50.040 have the option to once once cutdowns or may the 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:51.879 first week at the season you put Frederick on a 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.320 reserve list and sure and create an open spot there. 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.840 Um can't do it right now, right, but yeah, cut 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:05.120 down date you it's Cameron Fleming on your fifty three. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:10.360 I think he has to be. There's your seven right there. 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:15.520 You find so on Saturday, you've got seven offensive linemen. 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.639 See that's where I'm saying, I feel good about six. 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:23.560 Start if I started better, I'm feeling better about seven. 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:27.439 But I mean, I I I'm what I'm looking at 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.680 right now. I'm trying to protect this offensive line. I've 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:33.280