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Speaker 5: I did, Dan, would you like one?
Speaker 4: That's why I asked to start out right?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, next season, I would want my team to
Speaker 5: go with Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well that is the conversation today because it feels
Speaker 2: like all the moves have happened over the last forty
Speaker 2: eight hours, but we still have landing spots for Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. Now, if you're Aaron Rodgers, would
Speaker 2: you rather go to the Giants or the steel Now
Speaker 2: to me, it seems obvious you'd go to the Steelers
Speaker 2: because the Steelers are actually trying to do something that's
Speaker 2: kind of out of the norm for them. You bring
Speaker 2: in DK Metcal like you're it feels like they're realizing
Speaker 2: the Steeler way is maybe not the Steeler way. Steeler
Speaker 2: way might get you nine wins, Hey we got another
Speaker 2: winning record. How about a first round victory in the
Speaker 2: playoffs or two? That would be different that you take
Speaker 2: you back to the old days. And I think that's
Speaker 2: why I think they're being a little more aggressive with
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. And maybe it's a one year Hey we
Speaker 2: won a playoff game here, as opposed to all right,
Speaker 2: we got Russell Wilson. He's a complimentary quarterback. He's good,
Speaker 2: he can be fine for us. The problem is the
Speaker 2: Steelers have been fine. They've been good, but they haven't
Speaker 2: been great. And if you're Mike Tomlin, if you're that
Speaker 2: front office, you're probably saying, all right, we got to
Speaker 2: do something to shake this up a little bit because
Speaker 2: you don't have that quarterback that you've had before, like
Speaker 2: Ben was there for a long period of time. You
Speaker 2: had Terry Bradshaw, you know, but you've had a lot
Speaker 2: of down years. But you tried Kenny Pickett, didn't work out.
Speaker 2: You bring in DK Metcalf, you got George Pickens. Although
Speaker 2: Najie Harris signed with the Chargers, and I'll talk about
Speaker 2: that coming up in a moment. That was one of
Speaker 2: those hmm, Okay, I like what the Chargers did, But
Speaker 2: I think that's why you go after Aaron Rodgers because
Speaker 2: you know what Russell Wilson will give you.
Speaker 4: For the most part. You know that.
Speaker 2: You may not know what you're getting with Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: but you feel like the ceiling's a little bit higher there.
Speaker 4: If I'm Rogers, I would say.
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh the Giants, I don't get I mean, unless he
Speaker 2: just says, hey, I'm going to make it in New York.
Speaker 2: I'll make it with the other team. How far are
Speaker 2: you going with that team? You're going to draft Travis
Speaker 2: Hunter and then you got Melik Neighbors. Okay, that's interesting,
Speaker 2: but it feels like in Pittsburgh you've got a chance
Speaker 2: to actually do something.
Speaker 4: With New York, you're just going to be in New
Speaker 4: York for Russ.
Speaker 2: It feels like whatever Aaron Rodgers doesn't want to do
Speaker 2: will be the place for Russell Wilson. And it's kind
Speaker 2: of sad that it's come to that, but that's what
Speaker 2: it is for us now, is if Aaron wants to
Speaker 2: go to Pittsburgh, Russ would probably go to the Giants.
Speaker 2: And even if you go to the Giants. Are the
Speaker 2: Giants trading up trying to trade up to get cam Ward,
Speaker 2: which I would get a rookie contract at that position.
Speaker 2: Russ can be a band aid there and you know,
Speaker 2: maybe in a year's time you turn it over to
Speaker 2: cam Warn. But it feels like Russ has got to
Speaker 2: wait for what Aaron's going or the Steelers are going
Speaker 2: to wait for what Aaron Rodgers wants to do.
Speaker 4: Can they come up with a deal? How long's the deal?
Speaker 2: And then because other than that, Kirk Cousins is staying
Speaker 2: in Atlanta at least for the time being, I don't
Speaker 2: know if there's any other quarterbacking moves. You know, Jameis
Speaker 2: Winston's out there. Is he somebody that you could bring in?
Speaker 2: I guess? I mean Kenny Pickett's now with the Browns.
Speaker 2: What are the Browns going to do? They going to
Speaker 2: draft a quarterback? What happened to my guy DTR Dorian
Speaker 2: Thompson Robinson he got traded.
Speaker 3: I thought I.
Speaker 2: Thought that DTR was going to be a really good quarterback.
Speaker 2: Maybe not, Maybe he's just a backup quarterback there. But
Speaker 2: those are some of the things that are still kind
Speaker 2: of hanging in the balance. Chris Sims from Pro Football
Speaker 2: Talk will join us coming up a little bit. Lewis
Speaker 2: Riddick of the Brothership Auburn head coach Bruce Pearl back
Speaker 2: on the program. So recapping justin Fields goes to the Jets.
Speaker 2: I mentioned this yesterday that was probably going to happen,
Speaker 2: and then I said, has that he suffered enough? But
Speaker 2: this is a we got justin fields. We don't have
Speaker 2: any expectations here. We don't.
Speaker 4: We're good.
Speaker 2: I just kind of ease into the season and then
Speaker 2: we'll end the season and then we'll try to figure
Speaker 2: out where we're going after that. Seahawks grab Sam Darneld.
Speaker 2: That's a team friendly deal, and it you know it's
Speaker 2: one hundred million, but it's not.
Speaker 4: It's fifty five million.
Speaker 2: And Sam signed for what I've been saying for years now,
Speaker 2: quarterbacks need to find a sweet spot. He's not going
Speaker 2: to get fifty million. He wasn't going to get fifty million.
Speaker 2: He probably cost himself twenty five million the way he
Speaker 2: played the last two games of the season. But Seattle
Speaker 2: gets Sam Darnell. You don't have weapons, you don't have
Speaker 2: a good offensive line. Now the music's good in Seattle.
Speaker 2: Some good food up there in Seattle. Commander's got Laramie
Speaker 2: tunsel So. And I understand this from both sides here
Speaker 2: with the Texans, because the Texans are changing. I guess
Speaker 2: they're offensive philosophy. They're offensive line philosophy, new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go too deep into the weeds,
Speaker 2: but Laramie Tunsall had one more year and then he
Speaker 2: would be he's always asking for a contract extension or
Speaker 2: a pay raise. But all right, you get something for him,
Speaker 2: you got trade value, you got something for him. But
Speaker 2: you have a quarterback who was second sacked the second
Speaker 2: most times. You know, that's why we're Caleb Williams kind
Speaker 2: of made everybody forget about what happened in Houston. Houston
Speaker 2: had a terrible offensive line. Now they were in a
Speaker 2: bad division, but ended up making the playoffs. A lot
Speaker 2: of injuries, you know, certainly at the skill position. But
Speaker 2: I get it. The commanders are all in. I love it.
Speaker 2: I love the teams that go, we got this opportunity. Now,
Speaker 2: do I think the commanders are going to be as
Speaker 2: good next year?
Speaker 4: It's weird.
Speaker 2: I don't I think that it was, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden. I think they had
Speaker 2: what six or seven games that were decided final possession.
Speaker 2: You're not going to win all those like they did.
Speaker 2: You're probably going to win three of those, maybe four.
Speaker 2: That's you know, three or four different outcomes here for you.
Speaker 2: I think they take a step back, even though they
Speaker 2: went out and got Debo another year of experience for
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels. But I just I've been around this
Speaker 2: sport so long that these things happen. Like the Texans,
Speaker 2: they were like, oh my god, came out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: and then they regressed a little bit this year. They
Speaker 2: did make the playoffs, but I didn't think they were
Speaker 2: going to make the playoffs. But Tunsell going to the Commanders,
Speaker 2: he gave up two and a half sacks last year
Speaker 2: that you know, in considering your quarterback was under duress
Speaker 2: as much as any other quarterback except for Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: Tunsell did have a pretty good year. I think he
Speaker 2: led the league though in penalties. Josh Sweat goes to
Speaker 2: the Cardinals. What were his parents thinking, Josh Sweat, Like,
Speaker 2: it's just that's one of those Oh it's like a
Speaker 2: name that flows Josh Schweat. Yeah, it feels like it's
Speaker 2: Josh Schweat. How about Joshua Sweat? Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: enjoyed Joshua Sweat. Yeah, I said Josh wa Yeah. Just
Speaker 2: you know, being an announcer in a broadcaster, that's what
Speaker 2: I of course. I don't even know how good he's
Speaker 2: going to be for the Cardinals. I just know I'd
Speaker 2: hate to have to pronounce his name. Man, Josh what
Speaker 2: Josh period, pause, Commas and sweat. It's like Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 2: you know, like you say Kirk Cousins and it sounds
Speaker 2: like it's k U r T Cousins.
Speaker 6: Yes, Paul, you're right. I had never really said his
Speaker 6: name aloud. I just did it three times. I messed
Speaker 6: up too out of the last three times, Josh Sweat,
Speaker 6: Josh Wait, Josh Wait.
Speaker 2: March madness. So we'll talk to Chris Sims about football basketball.
Speaker 2: Last night I watch most of the the Wafford Furman game.
Speaker 4: It is wonderful. It was great back and.
Speaker 2: Forth, big baskets, great crowd, you know, and they always
Speaker 2: have a cutaway. Somebody's holding up an FU sign. My
Speaker 2: wife goes, are they allowed to do that? I go, no,
Speaker 2: that's the university f You I go, yes, Furman University.
Speaker 7: She goes, oh, they should change that. I go, oh, no,
Speaker 7: they shouldn't. F you Yes, Marvin poor Firman. I talked
Speaker 7: about this the other day. They had a great record
Speaker 7: than they were twenty five and eight all year, Wafford
Speaker 7: eighteen and thirteen, a tough year.
Speaker 2: The Terriers making their three pointers. Troy got in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how about that. Congratulations Troy. I hope Joe Buck is
Speaker 2: happy to the Horizon League tonight. Northeast is on the line.
Speaker 2: Let's see the CAA. Isn't that an agent's in LA
Speaker 2: Creative Artists?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 2: They got their own conference and the WCC Gonzaga against
Speaker 2: Saint Mary's. It feels like every year that those two
Speaker 2: go at it. Northeast Saint Francis PA versus Central Connecticut,
Speaker 2: the CIA, Delaware versus North Carolina, Wilmington, Youngstown State versus
Speaker 2: Bob Morris. That'll be the Horizon League left every year
Speaker 2: when you do Bob Bobby Morris? Yeah, who do we play?
Speaker 2: We're playing Bobby Morris? Who else? Just Bobby Morris? Alright?
Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three DP show Jonathan Allen and the
Speaker 2: Vikings three year deal sixty million dollars, defensive time man
Speaker 2: our defensive tackles back in vogue, Aaron Donald and Chris Jones.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Jalen Carter, you want yourself a
Speaker 2: defensive tackle. We gotta stop the run. See that's what's weird.
Speaker 2: The game is so cyclical. It was passing, well, it
Speaker 2: used to be running, running, running, then it became passing, passing, passing.
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, I go, somebody's eventually going
Speaker 2: to run the football because these defenses are geared to
Speaker 2: stop the pass. And here we go. All the running
Speaker 2: backs did great last year. A couple of running backs
Speaker 2: that go in the first round Ashton genty, maybe in
Speaker 2: the top ten. And now we got a load up
Speaker 2: on defensive tackles. Two time Pro Bowl defensive tackle Jonathan
Speaker 2: Allen a three year, sixty million dollar deal, according to
Speaker 2: Adam Schefter. All Right, so the poll question, or what's
Speaker 2: the wording on that, Dylan.
Speaker 5: The wording on that then is next season, I would
Speaker 5: want my team to go with Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5: So far russ has got one hundred percent of the vote.
Speaker 4: What three votes?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, but still it is one hundred percent well, okay,
Speaker 2: who should the Steelers go with?
Speaker 4: How about you just make it that who should this
Speaker 4: Steelers go with? You want to amend the yesh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think that one's more. I don't think
Speaker 2: people are concerned about the Giants. I think the Steelers
Speaker 2: because they're the Steelers, their playoff team. You bring in
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf, That to me, I think is more interesting
Speaker 2: of who should they go after?
Speaker 4: Yes, pulling the past two seasons.
Speaker 6: Two years ago, Russell Wilson threw twenty six touchdowns and
Speaker 6: eight picks.
Speaker 4: That's pretty good.
Speaker 6: Last season, through sixteen touchdowns and five picks, he was
Speaker 6: a five hundred starting quarterback. It seems like he played
Speaker 6: way worse.
Speaker 4: Than that, doesn't it? Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Is it likability or is it just he's not that
Speaker 6: threatening anymore? Those numbers are not bad.
Speaker 4: Well, last year they are.
Speaker 3: Well, he had.
Speaker 6: Eleven starts, sixteen and five. You would pro rate that
Speaker 6: out to twenty three and eight. Yeah, that's generics pedestrian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and denver that last year those numbers were very deceptive.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've had guys who put up good numbers,
Speaker 2: but they're deceptive. Sam Darnold had a deceptively great season
Speaker 2: until you needed him to be great, and then he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers had a deceptively really good season with the Jets.
Speaker 2: If you say, if you said to the Steelers, your
Speaker 2: quarterback's going to give you twenty eight touchdowns eleven interceptions,
Speaker 2: You're going, hell, yes, you're gonna sign up. You just
Speaker 2: you got Mahomes. But the problem is the bottom line,
Speaker 2: he was five and twelve. I mean, that's the concern.
Speaker 2: The numbers were very deceptive, deceiving, and I think that's
Speaker 2: where you can go, Hey, I can twist these numbers
Speaker 2: however I want to.
Speaker 4: Yes, Doman.
Speaker 5: Oh, I just I mean the Rogers on the Jets
Speaker 5: I think was just an abject failure. You can cherry
Speaker 5: pick those numbers all you want, but they kept jetting
Speaker 5: as they usually do, and.
Speaker 4: Then he got jettisoned. And then he got jettison Yes
Speaker 4: he did.
Speaker 2: Has he been officially released by the Jets? I don't
Speaker 2: even know if he's I don't know how that works,
Speaker 2: like tomorrow, Is he officially released by the Jets. But
Speaker 2: we'll talk to Chris Sims about this. We'll get phone
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Speaker 2: Play of the Day coming up. We'll get to phone
Speaker 2: calls as well. As I mentioned, there's a big run
Speaker 2: on defensive tackles. Now got to stop the run. A
Speaker 2: guy named Milton Williams. He was in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: had a good Super Bowl. I think he played seven games.
Speaker 2: He signed one hundred million dollars deal with THEOTS. I
Speaker 2: think he had a couple of sacks that was it.
Speaker 2: But he didn't even start and twenty five years of age,
Speaker 2: he's gonna make a hundred million dollars big run on
Speaker 2: defensive tackles. There Chris Sims, Pro Football Talk Live co
Speaker 2: host and you can see him on Football Night in America.
Speaker 2: Give me the head scratcher there of all the moves,
Speaker 2: all the different signings.
Speaker 9: Well, okay, I mean I don't know if I got
Speaker 9: head scratchers, I got one that surprised me. I think
Speaker 9: the one that surprises me, maybe more than any is
Speaker 9: I did not think I would be sitting here Tuesday,
Speaker 9: after the first day of free agency uttering the words
Speaker 9: j C. Horn highest paid dB in NFL history. Right,
Speaker 9: that one was a little surprising to me. Good player.
Speaker 9: I get that, been injured a lot during his career.
Speaker 9: I know they need good defensive players there in Carolina.
Speaker 9: That was an issue, right, But they're paying them like
Speaker 9: he's Pat certain or Sauce Gardner, and he's certainly not
Speaker 9: that and hasn't been able to stay in the field
Speaker 9: that way.
Speaker 3: That to me was a surprising one.
Speaker 9: Again, I'm never gonna get mad at a team for
Speaker 9: signing a guy they like, they drafted, they see potential in.
Speaker 9: But I didn't think, again, it was going to be
Speaker 9: the highest paid dB in the history of football. That
Speaker 9: was That was surprising.
Speaker 4: And a lot of.
Speaker 2: Attention goes to the quarterbacks, and rightfully so, but this
Speaker 2: feels like this is the stock up on offensive and
Speaker 2: defensive lineman where it's not going to get headlines, but
Speaker 2: it's going to win you games.
Speaker 4: It's going to get you into the playoffs. It's going
Speaker 4: to help somebody win a super Bowl? Is there?
Speaker 3: That's right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, But is there a move that was let non
Speaker 2: skill level that you would go, wow, that's a big upgrade,
Speaker 2: or that that'll be a big difference for this team.
Speaker 9: Well, there's two teams that jump out and they have
Speaker 9: a number of moves, right, and the one you were
Speaker 9: kind of you were just making fun of a little bit,
Speaker 9: right with Milton Williams. But again, Dan, it's like, the
Speaker 9: first thing I got to say is this is how
Speaker 9: good the Eagles are.
Speaker 3: That they're an all star team. This is as good
Speaker 3: of a team as we've seen in a long, long time.
Speaker 9: Right, They're so good they stashed a guy that were
Speaker 9: paying seventeen million dollars a year, was the top free
Speaker 9: agent free agent pass rusher in last year's draft, and
Speaker 9: they said just sit on the bench.
Speaker 3: We're good enough, we could just we'll keep you there.
Speaker 9: So I knew and thought all along and said this
Speaker 9: yesterday that Milton Williams between the Cardinals and Jonathan Gandon,
Speaker 9: who was in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: Of course Carolina got involved. That was a big deal.
Speaker 9: But further along with what they did there in New England,
Speaker 9: not only the Milton Williams trade, but to get carl
Speaker 9: are signing, get to get Carlton Davis, who was still
Speaker 9: a damn good corner, and now you got opposite of him,
Speaker 9: Christian Gonzale. So you got two guys on the outside
Speaker 9: that can shut people down. And Harold Landry, who Vrabel
Speaker 9: had history with in Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Is still a really, really good football player. Right.
Speaker 9: So I look at some of those moves and even
Speaker 9: the Morgan Moses move offensive tackle as going wow, like
Speaker 9: you're saying in the trenches, quality signings there. The Patriots
Speaker 9: certainly improved their team in a big way yesterday. Them
Speaker 9: and the Bears, I thought, really were the ones that
Speaker 9: jumped out to me more than others.
Speaker 2: Dan, if you're Aaron Rodgers and you have your choice
Speaker 2: of the giants of the Steelers, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's it's Steelers. It is.
Speaker 9: It's the Steelers are at least or Mike Tomlins on
Speaker 9: more solid ground, I believe than you know, Brian dabul
Speaker 9: or Joe Shane. Right.
Speaker 3: So there's that aspect.
Speaker 9: You certainly can look at the Steelers and go, wait,
Speaker 9: this is a team that's been in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: They get to the playoffs.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they're one and done, right, but uh, they're doing
Speaker 9: some things a little differently there. They're making some drastic moves.
Speaker 9: What they traded for DK Metcalf and paid them all
Speaker 9: this money. They usually don't do that type of stuff.
Speaker 9: We know that their defense, they got some disruptors and
Speaker 9: some playmakers there.
Speaker 3: I think that one there.
Speaker 9: You know, if it's apples to apples, there's no doubt
Speaker 9: the Pittsburgh Steelers would be the team for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4: That means Russell Wilson to the Giants.
Speaker 9: I don't know what it means for the Giants. That
Speaker 9: doesn't excite me very much. See the other thing that
Speaker 9: I think we're seeing going on right here, you know,
Speaker 9: good players and free agency, all the movement.
Speaker 3: The free agent players.
Speaker 9: There wasn't a big time market this year, right or
Speaker 9: at least high end players, so we saw a lot
Speaker 9: of guys get re signed at the last second trades
Speaker 9: like DK Metcalf and some other ones out there. And
Speaker 9: then the other thing that's jumped out to me this
Speaker 9: weekend is I think the NFL is telling you they
Speaker 9: don't like the draft, the quarterback draft, right anybody not
Speaker 9: named cam Ward. I think everybody's a little bit like eh.
Speaker 9: I like him, but I don't know if I love
Speaker 9: him right. That's the feeling I'm getting, at least by
Speaker 9: the signals out there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the Giants, the options are limited.
Speaker 9: I don't know what they do there, but it seems
Speaker 9: like we're getting to the spot here where there'll be
Speaker 9: more and more pressure on them to take a quarterback
Speaker 9: At number three.
Speaker 2: You just think cam Ward is the only guy who
Speaker 2: grades out to maybe be a starter right away.
Speaker 9: Cam Ward is I haven't come out with my rankings yet,
Speaker 9: but I've said this on my He's definitely the number
Speaker 9: one quarterback's that's not debatable right. This will be a
Speaker 9: year where I have a hard time thinking all thirty
Speaker 9: two teams will be in consensus that that is the
Speaker 9: number one guy. Cam Ward is worthy of being the
Speaker 9: number one pick. Cam Ward, to me, would be in
Speaker 9: the conversation with Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels as the
Speaker 9: top quarterbacks in last year's draft. I think he's worthy
Speaker 9: of that. I had bo Nick's number three. I think
Speaker 9: if I was gonna be fair, I'd probably would have
Speaker 9: cam Ward in front of him. If it was back
Speaker 9: into those times, even though I love bo Nicks, don't
Speaker 9: get me wrong.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I look at it that way.
Speaker 9: And then where I look at like Shador Sanders and
Speaker 9: Jackson Dart, I feel like they would have been towards.
Speaker 3: The bottom of last year's list.
Speaker 9: But still I look at Shador Standers and still goes
Speaker 9: starting caliber stuff, first rounder. I don't love all the
Speaker 9: crap he's getting, you know, in Place is certainly not
Speaker 9: And there's a lot to like about his film.
Speaker 2: The Jets getting justin Fields. Yeah, hold your excitement.
Speaker 4: Well, I like them.
Speaker 2: I like the move right because he at least is
Speaker 2: going to go out. You know, if he stays healthy,
Speaker 2: he at least can make some plays. It's yeah, he
Speaker 2: can be interesting there. I think your expectation level is
Speaker 2: greatly reduced because it's justin Fields, and that's right, and
Speaker 2: maybe you can get eight or nine win like maybe
Speaker 2: best case scenario, maybe Rogers.
Speaker 4: I you know, we thought they could go to the
Speaker 4: super Bowl.
Speaker 9: I hear you, and I think you know one on
Speaker 9: top of that, you give you get justin Fields, that
Speaker 9: type of contract what he got that doesn't take you
Speaker 9: out of the market for if if Shador Sanders is
Speaker 9: there for you to pick right and you want to
Speaker 9: take it. You're now we're not going to be like
Speaker 9: Kirk Cousins Michael Pennox and be like what why did
Speaker 9: they pay him one hundred and fifty million dollars And
Speaker 9: now they're drafting the number seven quarterback that makes no sense.
Speaker 9: So it does give them some wiggle room there. And
Speaker 9: then I think, on top of what you're saying, there
Speaker 9: is potential. It's gotten better throwing the football. There still
Speaker 9: needs to be more there. I mean, it's not you
Speaker 9: know what you want as far as throwing the football
Speaker 9: out of your starter in the NFL, but it's good.
Speaker 9: And then you got to get into playmaking. And then
Speaker 9: I also think with like what you're saying, Aaron Glenn,
Speaker 9: He's going, wait, I want a team here. I'm about
Speaker 9: a team. I just came from Detroit. I want to run,
Speaker 9: I want to play physical football. I got an awesome
Speaker 9: defense here that I'm gonna coach up. And you make
Speaker 9: them even more awesome, right, and he's gonna play team
Speaker 9: style of football. And then, yes, this gives them wiggle room,
Speaker 9: buys them time to figure out what they want to
Speaker 9: do for the quarterback of the future or Justin Fields
Speaker 9: ups his game and shows us he's the quarterback of
Speaker 9: the future. So from all that, it makes sense because
Speaker 9: I don't think they want to be held hostage by
Speaker 9: Aaron Rodgers and what he might have wanted to run
Speaker 9: the offense and how he wanted things to look.
Speaker 3: And I get it what the Jets are doing.
Speaker 2: Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live co host also unbuttoned
Speaker 2: the Chris Sims podcast and a contributor to Football Night
Speaker 2: in America.
Speaker 4: Would you rather have Sam Darnold or Geno Smith?
Speaker 9: I would take Gino, all right, I would take Gino. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I'm a Gino fan. I like Sam Donald now, and
Speaker 9: I mean it's close, right, it's close, But I would
Speaker 9: take Gino. But also within that, okay, if you told me, wait,
Speaker 9: you can get Sam Donald for a little less money
Speaker 9: and you can get a third round pick, I might go, well,
Speaker 9: I don't know, maybe I will tip the scales swords
Speaker 9: Sam Donald then a little bit. And I think that's
Speaker 9: what Seattle looked at it, like, let alone, I think
Speaker 9: Seattle's a little like, Hey, we know Gino was in
Speaker 9: the quarterback of the future. We know that, and we're
Speaker 9: not necessarily Sam Donald is either, but we like him.
Speaker 9: And I think the biggest thing here too, dan is
Speaker 9: Clint Kobiak. He had a full year right with Sam
Speaker 9: Donald when he was in New Orleans, I mean San Francisco,
Speaker 9: So he knows what he's all about. He's been there,
Speaker 9: he's coached him. Sam Donald's gonna be able to know
Speaker 9: his offense quite you know, quite quickly there, so that
Speaker 9: makes sense. And Mike McDonald, I think what he's doing
Speaker 9: is he's kind of going, wait, the Pete Carroll.
Speaker 3: Era is over. I'm getting my own players, my own
Speaker 3: culture here.
Speaker 9: And I'm not you know, we're gonna get an offensive line,
Speaker 9: We're gonna be about defense. We're gonna be about like
Speaker 9: what I was at in Baltimore or Michigan before that,
Speaker 9: where we're gonna play team football and it's not gonna
Speaker 9: just be about the quarterback. And I think they're, you know,
Speaker 9: in the midst of reorganizing their their organization here.
Speaker 4: It's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Slash may be sad to look at what happened to
Speaker 2: the Niners, like what could have been. We know, we
Speaker 2: talk about windows of opportunity. You're good friends with the
Speaker 2: head coach of the Niners that they're saying goodbye to
Speaker 2: good players. Still have some headliners there, but what's the future,
Speaker 2: the immediate future of the Niners.
Speaker 3: I'm glad to see they're doing it right.
Speaker 9: You got you gotta take a step back or rip
Speaker 9: the band aid off every now and then and start new,
Speaker 9: or take a step back to get two or three
Speaker 9: steps forward.
Speaker 3: And I think that's where they are.
Speaker 9: They couldn't go on with the current rate of what
Speaker 9: they were doing right, I've made I've had a lot
Speaker 9: of fun with this on my pod and with Florio
Speaker 9: on PFT. I mean, just think about it. I mean,
Speaker 9: their roster, the amount of money they have spent, the
Speaker 9: people they have on there, the high end guys, how
Speaker 9: can you how can that be sustainable? They have a
Speaker 9: top five paid receiver in football, and they had Deebo Samuel,
Speaker 9: which was you know up there. They have a top
Speaker 9: three paid tight end in football. They have the number
Speaker 9: two paid running back in football. They have the top
Speaker 9: paid left tackle in football. They have to pay Rock Party.
Speaker 9: They have uh Fred Warner who's a top three linebacker,
Speaker 9: Nick Bosa, top three defensive player in general, Lemonnor their
Speaker 9: they're nickelback, top paid nickelback in football.
Speaker 3: So you just eventually the rooster comes home to roost.
Speaker 9: Or something like that along those lines, you know what
Speaker 9: I'm trying to say. And the pied piper is here,
Speaker 9: so they got to just clean the check book here
Speaker 9: and start new.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 9: And yeah, that team we saw to go to four
Speaker 9: NFC championships.
Speaker 3: And two Super Bowls, it's over. They're they're starting a
Speaker 3: new era.
Speaker 2: There around of applause for Chris Sims the record.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they call those simpsonsms.
Speaker 9: I know you don't watch my Sims show all that much,
Speaker 9: but I I seem to combine and confuse a lot
Speaker 9: of sayings, right, like if you read between the tea leaves,
Speaker 9: that's a pretty good one on my podcast or my
Speaker 9: show a lot of the time.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm famous for that.
Speaker 2: Davante Adams to the Rams. But let me talk about
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup's market, because they're it looks like they're going
Speaker 2: to release him.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 4: Is he a third receiver for somebody? Now?
Speaker 9: I think that's what it is, right. I don't like
Speaker 9: saying that. I like Cooper Cup. He's still got gas
Speaker 9: in the tank. But I mean he's the number two
Speaker 9: receiver with the Rams and they don't want them, and
Speaker 9: they don't have many receivers, so I think doesn't that
Speaker 9: tell you something?
Speaker 4: Well, they don't want to inmit that price.
Speaker 9: Well, they exactly right, but yet they brought somebody else
Speaker 9: in for the same price to take his spot, right
Speaker 9: or a little bit more?
Speaker 2: Well, who would you rather have DeVante Adams or Cooper? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Devonte Adams, I would Cooper Cup.
Speaker 9: I think a little bit between the injuries, right, getting
Speaker 9: up there in age not separating quite the same way.
Speaker 9: I think the perfect world for him is to be yeah,
Speaker 9: you know a two really slash three where he could
Speaker 9: go and be the slot guy. Right, he doesn't have
Speaker 9: to get outside and beat the top corners in football
Speaker 9: and Manda man Reid coverages, run great routes tough over
Speaker 9: the middle. That's where it makes sense for Cooper Cup.
Speaker 9: But no, certainly I would take Devonte Adams over him right.
Speaker 2: Now, and Cooper Cup will end up with eighty catches
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs necks.
Speaker 3: Well, it could be exactly right, exactly right.
Speaker 9: He'll find a spot where a team values that slot
Speaker 9: receiver who is smart and runs option routes the right way,
Speaker 9: and I wouldn't be shocked to see him have a
Speaker 9: little second wind of his career, like we saw Adam
Speaker 9: Feln when he went from Minnesota to Carolina, who still
Speaker 9: looks pretty damn good.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, you think pulled the trigger on the Gino
Speaker 2: Smith deal.
Speaker 9: I think he gives him the final vote of confidence
Speaker 9: one Hey, Pete Carroll right, he's got history with Gino Smith,
Speaker 9: so he likes that.
Speaker 3: But I think I think where I.
Speaker 9: And again this I kind of tweeted this out on
Speaker 9: Friday night or whatever night it went down, that I
Speaker 9: think this was a look of Tom Brady going, I
Speaker 9: don't know if we want other quarterbacks not named cam
Speaker 9: Ward at number six. Let's just go with a guy
Speaker 9: that we know can play, is a little bit better
Speaker 9: than people realize, and you trust them, Pete, and he
Speaker 9: can start and jumpstart your culture in the locker room
Speaker 9: and convey your messages to those guys that way.
Speaker 3: I certainly think Tom Brady had a saying that, no question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And if I look at this.
Speaker 2: From ten thousand feet, it feels like Brady says, I
Speaker 2: need somebody that I can at least show up every
Speaker 2: Sunday and trust that he'll go out right and he'll
Speaker 2: play quality football. He also has Rock Bowers. If they
Speaker 2: go after Ashton gent and you got Max Crosby, okay,
Speaker 2: now you have some entertainment here. Now you at least
Speaker 2: can be competitive in your own division with those other quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: And if you got Schudor Sanders, I don't think he
Speaker 2: was going to start right away. You're not gonna get
Speaker 2: cam Ward. So you get somebody they don't. I thought
Speaker 2: maybe they get Sam Darnold. But you know that'll tell
Speaker 2: you what. Yeah, yeah, Tom thought of this situation that
Speaker 2: give me the guy that I know is proven a
Speaker 2: little bit more over time than what we've seen with Sam.
Speaker 3: That's right. Let alone. The head coach knows him, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's good. That's a good thing.
Speaker 9: The head coach, I doubt wants a rookie quarterback, right
Speaker 9: Pete Carroll knows he's not there for seven years. He's
Speaker 9: probably going, damn, I might got two three fourth the most.
Speaker 9: So I need somebody that can hit the ground running
Speaker 9: doing all that. And then I think, yes, Brady's seeing
Speaker 9: it like you're saying, or like.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, he's going DWN this guy. Hey, he'll push
Speaker 3: the ball down the field. Damn. He moves better than
Speaker 3: people realize.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's got a little experience, he sees the field
Speaker 9: and damn his arm's powerful. He can he can be
Speaker 9: sexy and exciting that way. And why we do that
Speaker 9: and all the things you mentioned. Ad buys Brady time
Speaker 9: and the team time to figure out what they want
Speaker 9: to do big picture, long term for the quarterback, because
Speaker 9: eventually Bray he's gonna figure it out. As long as
Speaker 9: they're in a position to where they can get a
Speaker 9: quarterback that makes sense. I mean, come on, Brady, Brady
Speaker 9: knows how to evaluate the position. He knows the throwers
Speaker 9: when he sees them, he knows good decision makers, and
Speaker 9: I have no question he'll get that right eventually.
Speaker 4: Have you hung out with Brady socially?
Speaker 3: Not really hung out?
Speaker 4: No, No, not really England.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was around a lot and around him, and
Speaker 9: you know, I had to hand them stuff all the time,
Speaker 9: and you know, I was always handing them papers and
Speaker 9: at the time, I was always like, hey, Tom, we
Speaker 9: got to get like we're wasting like half of the
Speaker 9: Brazilian and Giselle's home country rainforest with all this stuff
Speaker 9: we're printing out every day. Let's save the world. And
Speaker 9: go to like the tablets. So the iPad of it.
Speaker 9: What was your next year it happened? What was your
Speaker 9: job in New England? Do whatever they say? Boy, that's
Speaker 9: what I love. I mean, that's yeah. I was quality control.
Speaker 9: I had some things involved in scouting, uh and whatever
Speaker 9: they yelled at me to do next, that's that was
Speaker 9: my job.
Speaker 4: But how did it feel though?
Speaker 2: When Tom says, hey, oh, did you hear Tom's getting
Speaker 2: all the guys together and go out and have beers
Speaker 2: And then you weren't that far then.
Speaker 3: I wasn't invited right.
Speaker 9: Well, one, he was like, what, he's not allowed out
Speaker 9: of his shackles, so they're not letting him out of
Speaker 9: his dungeon up there. But but no, of course that
Speaker 9: was a tough transition period in general. I'm sitting there
Speaker 9: just getting done playing football, going, damn, I'm better than
Speaker 9: some of these guys in the league. I can't believe this, right,
Speaker 9: And yeah, I'd seen him and some of the other
Speaker 9: guys on the team, like, yeah, I wish I could
Speaker 9: hang out with him. I wish I could go hang
Speaker 9: with Brady right now. I really love Tom Brady as
Speaker 9: a guy. I know I've been on him about to
Speaker 9: flight gate. There's no doubt about that, and I won't
Speaker 9: back down from that. But everything else about Tom Brady
Speaker 9: I thoroughly admire. I admired my time with him, his
Speaker 9: work ethic.
Speaker 2: And hey, what course is you about deflate that he
Speaker 2: did it and didn't admit Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 9: But you know what, it's a stupid rule. Well, it's
Speaker 9: not a stupid rule. I'll disagree with you. Then then
Speaker 9: then let the kids. Then let my homes throw a
Speaker 9: college football and see what you think about from his speed.
Speaker 2: You get to you get the ball that you want,
Speaker 2: and then I get the ball that I want.
Speaker 4: I know, but if you.
Speaker 9: Because if you let me take air out of the football,
Speaker 9: my arm will go up exponentially and I'll be able
Speaker 9: to control it and doing things that I wouldn't be
Speaker 9: able to do if the ball was inflated properly.
Speaker 3: Here's the big deal.
Speaker 2: We're giving you an advantage. I get an advantage. I
Speaker 2: get the ball that I want. We do this with kickers.
Speaker 2: Why not with quarterbacks? It's silly.
Speaker 9: Well, at some point there has to be a baseline
Speaker 9: for everybody has to do the same thing. So in basketball,
Speaker 9: do we want to some of the guys aren't shooting
Speaker 9: as good, should we tell them to lower the basket?
Speaker 9: Or some of the guys don't run as fast, should
Speaker 9: we tell some of the faster guys to slow down.
Speaker 9: In the NFL, each offense gets their own football.
Speaker 4: We're not talking about lowering a rim.
Speaker 3: That's that's not no.
Speaker 9: I want something that's a It's a sport of rules
Speaker 9: and what we do when we play with the ball
Speaker 9: that's the same size.
Speaker 3: What sport does that go to? Sound like baseballs? Hey,
Speaker 3: use a metal baseball bat this time?
Speaker 9: Up? Who cares? I mean, won't let you use metal
Speaker 9: bats today? To let us use match?
Speaker 2: Only two people who are affected by this the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: That's all a couple of psiyes.
Speaker 3: No, the quarterbacks, it does, and yes it would affect.
Speaker 3: It's gonna help. It's gonna help people who catch the ball.
Speaker 9: It's gonna help the running backs and everybody else that
Speaker 9: has to grab the ball and not fumble the ball
Speaker 9: as much because it's not properly inflated, so now you
Speaker 9: can squeeze it to death.
Speaker 4: Yes, you you're like your old man.
Speaker 9: I'm just the realist dude you've ever met. I'm just
Speaker 9: sorry that's just the way it is.
Speaker 4: Good to talk.
Speaker 3: But no other than that, Brady's awesome.
Speaker 9: And and what Brady did show us is that two
Speaker 9: weeks later in Super Bowl forty nine, he could throw
Speaker 9: lasers all over the field. And that's why I was
Speaker 9: mad at that, because I was like, you don't need that,
Speaker 9: You're the man, that's all.
Speaker 3: That was my point.
Speaker 4: You know, Aaron rod overinflated footballs.
Speaker 9: Hey, listen, if you want to make it harder on yourself,
Speaker 9: go ahead. I mean no, he told me that he
Speaker 9: over and nobody got upset about that because that everybody
Speaker 9: would go, that's a disadvantage. Nobody in football would go
Speaker 9: put a bigger object in. It had to be to
Speaker 9: make it.
Speaker 4: It had to be an advantage for him to overinflate it.
Speaker 9: I mean, he must have just liked how it felt
Speaker 9: in his hand, right, that that would be the big thing.
Speaker 9: But I don't think you're gonna find a common consensus
Speaker 9: of quarterbacks through the history of time. They're gonna go
Speaker 9: make the ball bigger and heavier, and I'll throw it bedroom.
Speaker 9: Aaron Rodgers is a freak of nature, right, He's got
Speaker 9: gigantic hans and he's arguably the greatest arm ever. And
Speaker 9: why do you gotta do this to me? Why did
Speaker 9: you ever bring me down this rant lane with Brady
Speaker 9: and all this? Now I gonna hear this crap again.
Speaker 9: Brady's the man.
Speaker 3: Get off his back, Get off my back, Get off
Speaker 3: my lawn.
Speaker 2: That's what you should be saying. Thank you, Chris. All right,
Speaker 2: guys say it. Chris Sims Pro Football Talk Live, co
Speaker 2: host Football Night in America.
Speaker 4: Look, Tom Liede, that's all. That's a silly rule. Take
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Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 13: Dan, thanks for letting me on this morning. So I
Speaker 13: rarely ever listen to Chris Simms with positive ears because
Speaker 13: when I hear him and I see him with I
Speaker 13: hear him with Mike Florio, they remind me of that
Speaker 13: a little Bugs Bunny skit.
Speaker 12: Where the little mouse is the boss and the big
Speaker 12: bruiser cat. Yeah. Bys yeah, whatever you say, Byes, Yeah,
Speaker 12: you're the buds. But I have to agree with him
Speaker 12: on the standardization of the ball inflation, and it just
Speaker 12: tore me up that I had to agree.
Speaker 10: With him against you this morning.
Speaker 12: But I think he's that.
Speaker 4: Why do you think he's right?
Speaker 10: Well, because the and you've thrown the ball, you've played
Speaker 10: with a basketball, you know what I'm talking about when
Speaker 10: I say that that taughtness, that hardness of the ball
Speaker 10: and the size of it. You know, we're always talking
Speaker 10: and making fun of small hand sizes and stuff like that.
Speaker 10: That in and of itself creates a bit of a
Speaker 10: complication or a competitive thing that some people just can't
Speaker 10: get over. And I believe that because it's always been
Speaker 10: that way and we've taught kids and all this stuff.
Speaker 10: I know that those sound like weak arguments, but by
Speaker 10: the same token, I think that having it standardized like
Speaker 10: that means that everybody's playing with the same ball, by
Speaker 10: the same rules and have the same issues, unless you
Speaker 10: just got big hands, in which case you win the
Speaker 10: genetic lottery.
Speaker 4: Thank you, dud.
Speaker 2: Anybody know Jill Montana's hands, Steve Young's hand size, Dan Marino's.
Speaker 4: It's silly.
Speaker 2: Each guy gets his choice of how he wants the football,
Speaker 2: and so that's for him, his wide receivers and his
Speaker 2: running backs. You factor in all of that. It's not
Speaker 2: like you're dribbling down half court. You get to half
Speaker 2: court and then you get to pick up another basketball
Speaker 2: that suits your team. You get the football how you
Speaker 2: like it. We let kickers do that. They get their
Speaker 2: own ball.
Speaker 4: It's silly. What happened was Tom Brady lied to the commissioner.
Speaker 4: That's it. It's a dumb rule.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Should he have been punished for lying, Yes, and he did.
Speaker 2: He really got punished and embarrassed. But it's a silly rule.
Speaker 2: The fact that Aaron Rodgers said that on this show
Speaker 2: he wanted he inflated the ball, inflated the ball more.
Speaker 2: He wanted it hard as a rock. So somebody inflated
Speaker 2: the footballs for him. He never got in trouble. But
Speaker 2: Tom deflated the football. Had somebody do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, pony.
Speaker 6: The goal of the rule, according to the NFL, is
Speaker 6: to prevent teams from using footballs outside the allowable inflation
Speaker 6: range in order to fit a quarterback's preference or align
Speaker 6: better with weather conditions.
Speaker 4: Why both quarterbacks get the same advantage.
Speaker 6: It's not like the home field prepares the footballs for
Speaker 6: the entire game for both teams. Does not happen that way.
Speaker 4: Make it's silly.
Speaker 2: I mean random that we're revisiting something that's quite a
Speaker 2: few years old. But the fact that Chris Simms, who
Speaker 2: played the position, you would think you'd go, it's silly.
Speaker 2: I should be able to have the football, You have
Speaker 2: the football. The rule is still in place. More phone
Speaker 2: calls coming out. Auburn head coach Bruce Pearl will stop
Speaker 2: by as well