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Speaker 2: No More. Now for the trigger warning. In this episode,
Speaker 2: we talk about domestic violence, violence against women, and femicide,
Speaker 2: and I'll warn you the ending has had our production
Speaker 2: team in tears, so listen in public at your own risk.
Speaker 2: But within all that, there's also stories of hope and
Speaker 2: recovery and a haven for those suffering. And you guessed it,
Speaker 2: Old Pottymouth is here swearing again. Throughout this series. I
Speaker 2: told you one story, the story of.
Speaker 3: Bob and Gail.
Speaker 2: But the sad fact is Gail's case is one of many.
Speaker 2: According to the UN, in twenty twenty one, on average,
Speaker 2: more than five women and girls were killed every hour
Speaker 2: by their husband, partner, or relative. Now, perhaps murder feels
Speaker 2: a little unrelatable to you. But before Bob was a murderer,
Speaker 2: he was an abusive and controlling partner. And those stats
Speaker 2: are even more frightening. The UN estimates that across our lifetimes,
Speaker 2: one in three women are subjected to physical or sexual violence.
Speaker 2: This number hasn't really changed at all in the last decade.
Speaker 2: Let's take this podcast as an example. Over one third
Speaker 2: of the women we interviewed for this story have alleged
Speaker 2: that they've been impacted by gendered violence or emotional abuse.
Speaker 2: And that's not including the abuse inflicted by Bob.
Speaker 4: My first husband. He was emotionally abused, not physically, but emotionally,
Speaker 4: and I wish I had been stronger.
Speaker 5: You think if you do the right thing, it won't
Speaker 5: happen again, because you can't believe somebody who loves you
Speaker 5: is really going to hurt you. And I said to
Speaker 5: my father, you know you're an abuser, and he said,
Speaker 5: what are you talking about. I never left a mark
Speaker 5: on her, And I was like, wait, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Is this really happening?
Speaker 5: Because that's like a classic abuser.
Speaker 6: Line was spent over the railing on the side of
Speaker 6: a boat in the ocean, nothing around us, and I'm
Speaker 6: telling you, if I would have fallen in, it would
Speaker 6: have been curtains.
Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking to me to hear all these incredible women
Speaker 2: describing the hurt they have suffered. At times, it feels
Speaker 2: like there's nothing we can do about it. Even Elaine,
Speaker 2: Gail's sister, battled with that feeling.
Speaker 7: There's nothing that I could ever do to change the
Speaker 7: fact that Robert Baron barn killed my sister in July
Speaker 7: of nineteen eighty five. The question has always been simply,
Speaker 7: what am I going to do with that?
Speaker 2: So Elaine pivoted from her original passion of poverty and
Speaker 2: labor law to family law. That means every day she
Speaker 2: helps vulnerable women and children escape bad marriages.
Speaker 7: I do everything in my power control and protect the
Speaker 7: lives and the wellbeing of my clients with a motivation
Speaker 7: that far exceeds what a professional motivation should be.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety six, Elaine started working as a consultant
Speaker 2: for the Pace Women's Justice Center in White Plains, Westchester County.
Speaker 2: The center offers free legal aid, advice and services to
Speaker 2: vulnerable women who want to escape their abusive relationship relationships,
Speaker 2: Like Gail and Bob's. But Elaine never told her friends
Speaker 2: at the center about her sister because I.
Speaker 7: Was in the closet. They didn't know until it was
Speaker 7: on ten ten Wins, you know, BOBBYR and bamandited. I'm
Speaker 7: driving home from the indictment and I'm realizing I'd better
Speaker 7: call all these people who think they're my best friends
Speaker 7: because they're finding out on the news that I had
Speaker 7: a sister and she was murdered by her husband.
Speaker 2: When Elaine told her friends at the Women's Justice Center
Speaker 2: about Gail, they decide I did to name their building
Speaker 2: Gail's House in her honor. At the naming ceremony, Elaine
Speaker 2: decorated the tables with Gail's pottery and poems.
Speaker 1: Friends and family came. Even people who.
Speaker 2: Worked on her case were there.
Speaker 7: I'll never forget the naming. We were in a public
Speaker 7: room called the tutor room at the law school, and
Speaker 7: as we were almost leaving, a tall, beautiful woman ran
Speaker 7: in and I happened to be close to the door,
Speaker 7: and she said to me, where's Lane Gats And I said,
Speaker 7: I'm a Lane Cats And she said, you changed my life.
Speaker 7: She said, Gail's story gave me the courage to leave
Speaker 7: an abusive husband. I'm an immigrant and he was threatening
Speaker 7: me that I would be deported and I would never
Speaker 7: see my children again. And you were telling story. Gave
Speaker 7: me the courage to leave that relationship.
Speaker 2: And that is why we tell these stories. I wish
Speaker 2: I could say that now, after all these years, Elaine
Speaker 2: and everyone else impacted by this case could rest and
Speaker 2: simply focus on helping others in Gail's honor. But now
Speaker 2: we've got a new fight on our hands keeping Bob
Speaker 2: behind bars.
Speaker 7: I had twenty years of solid peace and it was heavenly.
Speaker 7: I never thought about Bob for twenty years, and then
Speaker 7: the paroles process started. I will do anything to him
Speaker 7: in he is a danger to everybody.
Speaker 2: I'm Carol Fisher and from the teens at Novel and iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: You're listening to The girlfriends Our final episode, episode nine.
Speaker 3: We are a Sisterhood.
Speaker 2: After Bob was charged with Gail's murder in two thousand,
Speaker 2: he was incarcerated at Otisville Correctional Facility in Orange County.
Speaker 2: Over the course of Bob's twenty years sentence, he's under
Speaker 2: taken anger management courses, helped other prisoners with their studies,
Speaker 2: and spoken with the prison rabbi. As far as we know,
Speaker 2: he's only had one altercation in prison, which was right
Speaker 2: at the start, where he was beaten up by a
Speaker 2: prisoner who wanted to steal his wedding ring. In those
Speaker 2: twenty years, you'd hope Bob would have had time to think.
Speaker 2: Perhaps he would have reached out to Gail's family, but
Speaker 2: he didn't. Instead, he continued to insist he was innocent.
Speaker 2: He appealed his case, He refused to be interviewed or
Speaker 2: to testify at his trial. His silence has been deafening.
Speaker 2: Then on December thirtieth, twenty twenty, Bob came up for
Speaker 2: parole and for the first time he spoke and Mindy
Speaker 2: and I we have the transcripts.
Speaker 5: All right, so Carol, who are you going to be?
Speaker 2: So I'm the commissioner.
Speaker 5: Great, I get to be Bob.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah, you get to Bob. Okay you ready,
Speaker 1: I'm ready, Okay.
Speaker 2: Tell me what happened on July seventh, nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: What happened that led to her death?
Speaker 3: Sir?
Speaker 5: What happened was during that weekend. We spent the whole
Speaker 5: weekend together and we had a pleasant weekend. At the time,
Speaker 5: I was working about one hundred hours a week, and
Speaker 5: at my secondary job, I was working about another twenty
Speaker 5: hours a week. On that morning, we had planned on
Speaker 5: going to a birthday party for my nephew. My wife
Speaker 5: told me she did not want to go to the party,
Speaker 5: and we had an argument about it. It was initially
Speaker 5: a verbal argument. We were arguing with each other and
Speaker 5: things escalated. I wanted her to stop yelling at me,
Speaker 5: and I attacked her.
Speaker 2: How did you attack her, sir, I strangled her. After
Speaker 2: you strangled her, what happened, sir?
Speaker 5: After that, I was frightened about what happened and concerned
Speaker 5: about what had happened. So I left the apartment and
Speaker 5: I went for a walk to think about what I
Speaker 5: should do about it. I was cowardly about it, and
Speaker 5: I did the wrong thing. I was scared about what happened.
Speaker 5: I went out and made arrangements to rent an aircraft.
Speaker 5: I went back to the apartment and brought her out
Speaker 5: to the airport and put her in the airplane.
Speaker 2: How did you manage to carry the body out of
Speaker 2: the apartment.
Speaker 7: I put her in a duffel bag.
Speaker 1: Did you just remember her body?
Speaker 8: Sir?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: I did not, So why didn't you just call the police?
Speaker 5: Because I was frightened, scared and a coward.
Speaker 2: So you rented a plane and you took her to
Speaker 2: the airport and you put her on the plane. Is
Speaker 2: that correct?
Speaker 7: Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 1: And then what I went.
Speaker 5: Flying, I opened the door and then took her body
Speaker 5: out of the airplane over the ocean.
Speaker 2: And her body was never recovered.
Speaker 7: Is that correct? Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 1: You fucking believe this.
Speaker 5: I mean, for me, it's like watching the Twin Towers fall.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just eerie. And because it's him, I
Speaker 5: don't really even know if it's true.
Speaker 2: You know, his language in there just sounds so scripted.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was a coward. I can't imagine him saying that.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: But I also want to tell you this, what really
Speaker 2: got me the most out of this was that, in
Speaker 2: my mind, mindy, I always thought it was just a
Speaker 2: tragic accident. The story that I've told myself for years
Speaker 2: is that he got into an argument with her, things
Speaker 2: escalated and he pushed her like this was purposeful, Like
Speaker 2: he fucking strangled her.
Speaker 5: Yes, it is sickening. It is sickening to me. But
Speaker 5: to then go and take a walk and think about
Speaker 5: how to proceed and rent an airplane. That to me
Speaker 5: is the most sickening thing.
Speaker 2: And then he went back to his normal life the
Speaker 2: next day. He just goes back as if everything and.
Speaker 7: He went to the party.
Speaker 3: Hey he went to the damn party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't report her missing right away. I mean, what,
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 9: And I am horrified, beyond like horrified. I dated him
Speaker 9: for six months, I slept in the same bed. I
Speaker 9: allowed him to take my daughter on a ski trip
Speaker 9: with just her.
Speaker 2: I am I just couldn't wait to talk to you
Speaker 2: about this. I am just so disappointed in myself, and
Speaker 2: I am so fucking angry at him. He's a sick
Speaker 2: fuck and he deserves to rot in jail for the
Speaker 2: rest of his freaking life.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and he should never be allowed out. No, he
Speaker 5: is a danger to others. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 5: this shows any remorse.
Speaker 3: None.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's no remorse here.
Speaker 1: None, no remorse.
Speaker 2: I was scared I did the wrong thing, No shit, asshole.
Speaker 1: He's just a sick fuck.
Speaker 2: Bob was not granted parole after his confession in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: so he appealed it, had another hearing and lost again,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean he won't be successful.
Speaker 3: In the future.
Speaker 2: And that terrifies me. But if it scares me, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine how Elaine must feel.
Speaker 5: You know what I would like to do at some
Speaker 5: point when this is all aired and done.
Speaker 1: What's that I would like.
Speaker 7: To meet her sister.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 7: It would give me a little closure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would make me feel complete, and I'm wondering
Speaker 2: if it would be healing for her too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: After the break, Mindy and I we meet Elaine for
Speaker 2: the first time.
Speaker 7: Elaine, Hello, Hi, nice to meet you. Carol and Mindy,
Speaker 7: Nice to meet you.
Speaker 5: Elaine.
Speaker 2: Very nice to meet you. I'm a little nervous. I
Speaker 2: have to tell you, what are you nervous about? Well,
Speaker 2: I mean we're meeting for the first time, and I'm
Speaker 2: hosting this podcast. So that's been a real honor during
Speaker 2: that to get to know Gail, and I've gotten to
Speaker 2: know you rather well even though we haven't met. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I just am in all of you. You're an amazing woman,
Speaker 2: a real inspiration. I just want you to know that,
Speaker 2: and from the bottom of my heart, I am just
Speaker 2: so sorry for your loss.
Speaker 7: Oh that's very sweet of you. I also feel anxiety.
Speaker 7: I feel the anxiety of every time I do something
Speaker 7: like this, I have to center myself back in something
Speaker 7: that's incredibly traumatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just Mindy and I just read the transcripts
Speaker 2: from the prole hearing.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: We read them together.
Speaker 2: I actually got them a couple of days ago from Anna,
Speaker 2: and it was a very moving moment for me when
Speaker 2: I read that. Not that I didn't believe that he
Speaker 2: murdered Gail, I didn't want to imagine it the way
Speaker 2: he did.
Speaker 7: So obviously that he finally confessed was monumental, although I
Speaker 7: was really annoyed when I read the quote unquote confession.
Speaker 7: And I don't know if you remember where they read,
Speaker 7: you know, this is what happened at the trial on
Speaker 7: July seventh, nineteen eighty five. What happened and he started
Speaker 7: to go into a story about how hard he works.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, go on.
Speaker 7: I found it very unsatisfying because I wanted what I
Speaker 7: would call a full throated confession. And when I read that,
Speaker 7: it's like the commissioners say, and did you do this?
Speaker 7: And he's saying yes, And we've never gotten what I
Speaker 7: would call details. And I remember during the trial when
Speaker 7: we never thought we would win, saying to Dan and Steve,
Speaker 7: I'll agree to manslaughter. I'll agree to, you know, a
Speaker 7: really reduced sentence. I want to know, and as far
Speaker 7: as I'm concerned, I still don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're in such a liminal space and have been
Speaker 5: in one for such a long time. My heart goes
Speaker 5: out to you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 7: I mean I used to say, I want to know
Speaker 7: it was she in pain. You know, she had spoken
Speaker 7: to someone before she died, and the woman said she
Speaker 7: sounded weird. And I've always wanted to hear that he
Speaker 7: drugged her, she didn't know what was happening, whereas that
Speaker 7: he'd have to admit premeditation. But I really do believe
Speaker 7: there was premeditation. I believe it's a bunch of bullshit
Speaker 7: that they had a fight. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 7: there's a neighbor who says they fought every Sunday. This
Speaker 7: one was quiet. I thought they were away for the weekend.
Speaker 7: I think it's absolute bullshit. Yeah, I've always believed that
Speaker 7: this was completely premeditated, and therefore I'd like to believe
Speaker 7: that he drugged her and that she had no idea
Speaker 7: what was happening To her, right.
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 7: How long did you date him for?
Speaker 2: Only for six months? Thank god? But may I just
Speaker 2: say I had a lot in common with your sister
Speaker 2: in what way? Well, her love to have fun, her
Speaker 2: love for people. You described her as being in love
Speaker 2: with love. That's my whole mantra. I've been married three
Speaker 2: freaking times, so it could have.
Speaker 8: Been me and I.
Speaker 2: You know, those six months, I denied my reality and
Speaker 2: by the way, he broke up with me and I
Speaker 2: was upset.
Speaker 1: But it was a horrible six months.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that much fun.
Speaker 1: The flying in the plane was fun. But I was
Speaker 1: always justifying his behaviors.
Speaker 2: As any woman does who's with a domestic and the behaviors, Oh,
Speaker 2: he had a temper, so he was showing.
Speaker 7: His anger early on in the relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not to the degree that he did I
Speaker 2: think with Stephanie, or the degree certainly he did with Gail.
Speaker 1: But I knew he had a short fuse. Did you
Speaker 1: ever think he would get convicted?
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear that part of your experience and thought.
Speaker 7: I did not think that we would have a conviction.
Speaker 7: You know, there's a village of women that convicted Bob.
Speaker 7: Three of them are here. Yeah, And I remember feeling
Speaker 7: that I've got West Coast sisters. I know you guys,
Speaker 7: Vegas isn't quite the West Coast, but it's certainly not
Speaker 7: the East coast. All of us, this village of sisters
Speaker 7: of women were working together. I even remember talking to
Speaker 7: Dan and Steve when I knew that many of you
Speaker 7: were flying into New York to testify. You know, what
Speaker 7: can I do to make their lives easier? So I said,
Speaker 7: how about childcare? Like they can come with their kids?
Speaker 7: And I all arranged childcare for everybody. And I wasn't
Speaker 7: allowed to meet you because there was the whole witness
Speaker 7: tampering possible problem. But I want both of you to
Speaker 7: know that I always felt a tremendous kinship, a tremendous appreciation.
Speaker 7: I always knew that there were so many of us,
Speaker 7: And in fact, when the jury reached their verdict, they
Speaker 7: tell the alternate jurors to leave the jury box because
Speaker 7: they're no longer needed. And I'll never forget this beautiful
Speaker 7: woman of color who was an alternate jura, sitting down
Speaker 7: next to me and holding my hand, and it was
Speaker 7: like she was saying to me in the jury pool,
Speaker 7: are are with you, So no, I know that was
Speaker 7: a long answer to you. No, I did not think
Speaker 7: we were going to get him.
Speaker 1: And do you think he'll get out?
Speaker 7: Do I think he's going to get out? The parole
Speaker 7: process only allows incarceration for up to twenty four months.
Speaker 7: Up to it is automatically every two years, and it
Speaker 7: can be less than every two years.
Speaker 2: By this, Elaine means if a prisoner has served their sentence,
Speaker 2: they are entitled to a parole hearing every two years,
Speaker 2: but for a variety of reasons, it can happen sooner.
Speaker 2: Bob was due to have his next parole hearing a
Speaker 2: while ago, but for reasons unknown to us, he keeps
Speaker 2: a journeying it. It really could happen any day now.
Speaker 7: I know this is going to sound like cruel and
Speaker 7: inhuman treatment, but for some reason they cannot contact me
Speaker 7: and tell me that there's been a decision. So I
Speaker 7: know every month when he's supposed to be there, and
Speaker 7: I know two weeks later is when the decision can
Speaker 7: be and I start to call the Office of Victim
Speaker 7: Services on that day every day until I get an answer.
Speaker 7: I think that lucky for us. The transcripts of his
Speaker 7: parole hearings are treasure troves. He's the same sociopathic, psychotic, lying, unremorseful,
Speaker 7: and in the second hearing, the appeal hearing, one of
Speaker 7: the commissioners of female went after him for the lying
Speaker 7: shit he was. He kept saying, you know, I was angry,
Speaker 7: and she said no, she defied you about smoking, she
Speaker 7: defied you about going to a birthday party. It was
Speaker 7: about bullying, violence and control. It wasn't about I'm immature
Speaker 7: and I made a mistake. And I don't know if
Speaker 7: he's ever getting out. I hope not, because unfortunately, people
Speaker 7: like Andy Rosenswig, the chief investigator, has said to me,
Speaker 7: you're in danger, really yeah, or he's going after my
Speaker 7: kids to hurt me even more. And he's a tough guy.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't think he's saying this to me
Speaker 7: because he wants to make me afraid.
Speaker 1: So what can we do to help you keep him in?
Speaker 7: You can send letters at every parole board hearing.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 7: One of the things that he said at the first
Speaker 7: parole board hearing that was very aggravating to me was
Speaker 7: Gail was an anomaly. So if you experienced or anyone
Speaker 7: you know experienced a violent episode with him. The more
Speaker 7: of those stories that are given to the parole Board,
Speaker 7: the more the parole Board says Gail was not the anomaly.
Speaker 7: It's not a one time thing.
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty, I stopped practicing critical care medicine and
Speaker 5: went back to school to become a hospice and palliative
Speaker 5: care physician.
Speaker 1: But what I've.
Speaker 5: Learned in the past years and have thought a lot about.
Speaker 7: Is.
Speaker 5: When you speak to someone who's dying, you ask them
Speaker 5: how their body is, and then you ask them how
Speaker 5: they are. And we may never find Gail's body, but
Speaker 5: what an incredible legacy she has been the impetus for.
Speaker 5: And a legacy is how the people who love you
Speaker 5: remember you, and you have created an incredible legacy for her.
Speaker 7: Thank you, mindy Elaine.
Speaker 2: You've kept her story alive and you've allowed her to
Speaker 2: help countless numbers of women. And I get ceery as
Speaker 2: I say that, thank you, and so to think about
Speaker 2: the number of women that you've helped us far and
Speaker 2: the number of women.
Speaker 1: That will be helped in the future.
Speaker 2: Understanding that domestic violence has absolutely no boundaries.
Speaker 5: The power dynamic has to change. You know, rape is
Speaker 5: not a sexual crime. It's a crime of power, which
Speaker 5: is exactly the way I think about this horribly sad story,
Speaker 5: because in our own heads, we've created lives and stories
Speaker 5: around this incident, and it has had an enormous power
Speaker 5: for all of us. But we have to be united
Speaker 5: in a common idea that the endpoint is this must stop,
Speaker 5: This cannot continue.
Speaker 2: You know, by hosting this podcast, I've really learned to
Speaker 2: trust my inner voice, listen to my intuition. You know,
Speaker 2: Gail knew that she was making a big mistake, but
Speaker 2: Gail never deserve to have a mistake that ended in death,
Speaker 2: and that could have been me. I didn't listen to
Speaker 2: my intuition. And you know, when Maya Angela says, you know,
Speaker 2: and I love that quote, when people show you who
Speaker 2: they are, believe them. And Bob showed me who he
Speaker 2: was on the first date, and Bob showed Gail who
Speaker 2: he was consistently throughout the relationship. Yet she had a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons for not believing him, or for thinking
Speaker 2: that she could influence it with a better outcome, and
Speaker 2: she paid the price for that with her life. And
Speaker 2: I'm very very fortunate that I did not. I have
Speaker 2: this mantra that I live by, and I think it's
Speaker 2: applicable here. For me. I strive to always live my life,
Speaker 2: perform my life better today than I performed yesterday, and
Speaker 2: hosting this podcast has allowed me the opportunity to.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna cry, get to know Gail, get to know Elaine,
Speaker 11: get to know the family and her friends, and I
Speaker 11: have a much better understanding that violence against women is
Speaker 11: an epidemic.
Speaker 2: It's been a problem, and it continues to be a problem.
Speaker 1: And that I just want to be part of that solution. Yeah, Elaine, Carol.
Speaker 2: The Torso, the torso that was found, do you have
Speaker 2: some thoughts about her?
Speaker 7: I remember sitting in the hallway at the courthouse after
Speaker 7: the testified Bob's trial. Charlie Hersh and I were sitting
Speaker 7: on a bench and I turned to Charlie and I said,
Speaker 7: are you absolutely sure that this isn't Gail? And he
Speaker 7: said to me, very unfortunately, I am absolutely sure. And
Speaker 7: I said to him, and what are you doing to
Speaker 7: find out who she is so that another family gets
Speaker 7: peace that I didn't get for so many years? And
Speaker 7: he said, the best we can with the limited resources
Speaker 7: and information that we have. She is someone who died
Speaker 7: of violent death, and she was found in May of
Speaker 7: nineteen eighty nine, by the way, like two days after
Speaker 7: I got married. The anthropological studies determined that she was
Speaker 7: probably murdered in early nineteen eighty nine, which was entirely
Speaker 7: inconsistent with her being Gail. By the way, we all
Speaker 7: knew that at the time, but she was seemingly Gail's age,
Speaker 7: and I feel terrible there's a family out there that
Speaker 7: does not have closure.
Speaker 12: After the break, we tell you everything we know about
Speaker 12: the Torso.
Speaker 2: For the best part of a year, my producer Anna
Speaker 2: and her team have been trying to confirm the identity
Speaker 2: of the torso that was misidentified as Gail. It never
Speaker 2: felt right to reduce her existence to a cliffhanger and
Speaker 2: just leave it at that. But even after hours and
Speaker 2: hours of research and conversations with the Chief Medical Examiner's
Speaker 2: office and local police forces, we have not been able
Speaker 2: to confirm anything despite several very very promising leads. The
Speaker 2: sad fact is trying to identify her really made it
Speaker 2: hit home how many other women's stories are out there
Speaker 2: not being told. In their search, Anna and our researcher
Speaker 2: Maddie have gone through hundreds if not thousands of women's
Speaker 2: cases on the Missing Person's database, and that was just
Speaker 2: in the state of New York. Sadly, I can't tell
Speaker 2: you all of their stories, but I did want to
Speaker 2: give them a place in this podcast because they're our
Speaker 2: girlfriends too.
Speaker 1: So if you all tell me when you're ready, all
Speaker 1: to us up.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm ready, I'm ready, Okay.
Speaker 2: These are some of the names of the missing and
Speaker 2: murdered women from the state of New York, starting from
Speaker 2: July seventh, nineteen eighty five, read to you by myself,
Speaker 2: Mindy and Elaine.
Speaker 7: Helene Okay, Gail Kats, Rosa Westbrook, Aquila, Hadric Flossi Wilbur,
Speaker 7: Olinthia Harper, Helene Rubstein, Tammy McCormick, Candida Hernandez, Rita Fioretti,
Speaker 7: Cindy Rowl's, Colleen Brooks, Erica fran Olich, Sassin, Eileen Newberger,
Speaker 7: Mary Monroe, Francis Peters, Sandra Runkle.
Speaker 5: Sharon Pulaski, Gail Richards, Isabelle Rizzo, Francia Penna, Sonia, Archie
Speaker 5: Ella Taylor, Elizabeth Mundelli, Shirley Klemngard, and Lubrono, Norma Parkinson,
Speaker 5: Monique Santiago.
Speaker 1: Marilyn Mara Wilson.
Speaker 7: Marino, Barbara Lane, Jessica Soto, Harriet Hoyt, Nowhen Hagucci.
Speaker 1: Brown, Marie Musselia.
Speaker 7: Judith Geron, Ebony Trua, Denise Griffin, Elise Farmer, Leona Rodriguez,
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