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Speaker 1: The postman they are the butt of a lot of jokes,

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Speaker 1: the butts of a lot of jokes. Post Men, post women,

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Speaker 1: you ge. Do you remember on Cheers, Jackie, who was

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Speaker 1: the post Was it norm Cliff Cliff the Postman? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure why that is because we always

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Speaker 1: think about this woman, Angela Summers, the mother of a

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Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining me from Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 1: Of course, she's probably kicked back at the bell Air

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, Cloyd Steiger, catch This thirty six years Seattle

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Speaker 1: Gary Jane Grant, and he is at Cloyd Steiger dot com.

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: now a Jrcrime online dot com investigative reporter Levi, Paige Levi,

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friends

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Speaker 1: what he called ongoing issues at the house involving a small,

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Speaker 1: vicious dog. Yes, there was a history on this for

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Speaker 1: just complicated. I just thought of another postman that guests

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Speaker 1: Angela Summers with this one person, Tony cushing Berry, what's

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Speaker 1: the problem. So, Nancy Angela Summers is a postal worker

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Speaker 1: similar point. Judge and Bethany Marshall out there on Ragdeo Drive.

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Speaker 1: Both charming and handsome. I met him at your book

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Speaker 1: In the Union Rep thinks that led to this tragedy.

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Speaker 1: We want something like this to never never happen again.

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Speaker 1: It shouldn't happen. Summers did not request a route change,

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Speaker 1: out to hills. It's often these tiny details that just

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Speaker 1: Ribbons have been showing up all around this east Side

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Speaker 1: community to honor Summers. In her life, she loved people.

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Speaker 1: She loved her the people on her route. She worried

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Speaker 1: about the older people on her out during this time.

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Speaker 1: She always carried treats and she would, you know, give

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Speaker 1: the dogs treats on her route. Lissa wants people to

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Speaker 1: remember mail carriers are human and says they should be

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Speaker 1: treated with respect. Nobody deserves this, you know, but she

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00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: definitely didn't deserve this. Did you hear that she would

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00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: carry treat for dogs on her route and would check on,

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00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: how's your mother or how's your grandmother? Who's that jumping in.

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00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: Is that doctor Bethany or Kathleen. Kathleen, Kathleen, I have

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Speaker 1: thank you. I just wanted to let everybody know that

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Speaker 1: I was looking at Angela's Summer's family and I was

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00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: looking at her gofund to me page, and she has

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Speaker 1: that daughter who's fourteen, and we have young teens together,

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00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: you and I and hey, I'm still twelve. Okay, just

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Speaker 1: you wait. It is bad to me that this child

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00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: will not have a supporting parent, a dual income household.

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Speaker 1: And I just wanted to let everybody know that there

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00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: is a way to help this family. You know what

447
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: to you leave my page? I want to get that

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00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: go fund me exactly what it is, what it says

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00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: it is. I'm just thinking about the dichotomy of what

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00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: happened to her. Chloyd Steiger thirty six years, Seattle PD,

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Speaker 1: twenty two years homicide and author Seattle's Forgotten se Real

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Speaker 1: Killer Gary Jane Grant at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Cloyd,

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Speaker 1: you know you've seen it all. What do you make

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Speaker 1: of this shooting down a lady mail deliverer on her

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00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: job because you won't put your dog away? Well, yeah,

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00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: that's the nameness of these kinds of murders. I mean,

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00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: there were several options. He could have put his dog away.

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Speaker 1: He could have put a mailbox out by the street,

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00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: just one of those routes where she has to actually

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Speaker 1: go up and put the mail to the slot. So

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Speaker 1: he could have gone to the post office and got

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Speaker 1: his mail or got a peel box. But he couldn't

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Speaker 1: be bothered with that because he just wanted, you know,

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Speaker 1: you have to act my way. He was in such

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Speaker 1: a rage that he actually, like you said before, when

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Speaker 1: he went over to the neighbor's house, he brought a

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Speaker 1: gun with him, right, What was the attention to that gun?

468
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: And then his excuse says, well, my ads left player up,

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Speaker 1: and the time it takes to get sprayed to pull

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Speaker 1: out a gun and shoot somebody, your aswa doesn't have

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Speaker 1: time to play up. That's just a simple excuse. He's

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Speaker 1: just looking for conversation and he found it. He was mad,

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00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: he had no in bulk control, and a terrible tragedy happened.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: guy named Tony cushing Berry who allegedly guns down a

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Speaker 1: lady mail deliverer because she wouldn't give him a stimul's

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Speaker 1: check after numerous compliance that his dog would try to

478
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: attack her. Now, isn't it just tell me what the

479
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: charges are right now? Levi? So, Nancy, he is charged

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Speaker 1: with second degree murder. He is charged with assault on

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Speaker 1: a federal employee. You know, here's the deal. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that a federal employee's life is worth more than

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Speaker 1: anybody else's life. But when you shot a cop, or

484
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: you shoot the president, or you shoot opposed to worker,

485
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: you're not just killing somebody. You are attacking a symbol

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Speaker 1: of the United States. That's the deal, and there is

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00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: a yeah, there's an enhanced penalty on that. He can

488
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: get life behind bars. The reality is that we can

489
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: easily prove he knee she was a federal postal worker

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Speaker 1: because they had been having so many arguments about delivering

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Speaker 1: the mail. Was that Kathleen jumping in or Beth Bethany

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00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: jump in? Doctor Bethany. I understanding is he had ten

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00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: weapons a young man in his early twenties. And it's

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Speaker 1: important too for the public to know that there are

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Speaker 1: risk factors for violence, and one is owning numerous firearms,

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00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: a history of violence, substance abuse, impulse control. And this

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Speaker 1: young man, I think was living with his family, and

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00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, you have a mother to a boy. A

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Speaker 1: very important part of parenting young people, especially men, is

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Speaker 1: to unlink violence from social interaction, because some boys do

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00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: have greater amounts of aggression. They like to like kick

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00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: rocks or maybe punch or hit. And there's so many

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Speaker 1: socializing experiences where the mother teaches the young man to

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Speaker 1: tame the aggression and instead to love and be kind

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Speaker 1: and to be grateful. And I just wonder what was

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Speaker 1: going on in this household that violence overran any sense

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Speaker 1: of human decency. It's like again, like I was talking

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00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: about an earlier segment, like an animal, somebody you're familiar

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Speaker 1: with Sigmund Freud. Doesn't he say that by age four,

510
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: your personality is set. It's it's over, you know what.

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Speaker 1: Actually it's true. By age three, all of our defenses

512
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: are coping styles. What we do to respond to stress

513
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: and anxiety is set by things. I'm setting you up, Bethany.

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Speaker 1: I'm setting you up because here's the client. This guy's

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Speaker 1: twenty one. However, he's not a boy, he's a grown man.

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Speaker 1: It's too late for mommy, for mama, to come in

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00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: and train him. That's over with. According to Freud, I

518
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: say four, you say three, It's done. This is who

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00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: he is. Don't start dragging the mother. Doctor Bethany Ken

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00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: A child's later socialization experiences in the family can at

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00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: least ameliorate or override certain tendencies like aggression. And I

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00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: do again, wonder what was happening in that hole? I mean,

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Speaker 1: where did he hold these ten firearms? What did his

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Speaker 1: family think? Why did they think he needed those? Take

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00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: a listen to a tiny bit of what this woman,

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Speaker 1: Angela Summers, went through. Take a listen to our friends

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00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: at WISH TV eight. This is Sierra Hickneity. Just days

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Speaker 1: before Summers was killed, she took to Facebook to voice

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Speaker 1: some of her concerns she was having along her route.

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Speaker 1: She talks about a house that has an aggressive dog.

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Speaker 1: The people living in home we're upset because their mail

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00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: had been withheld because they had not signed and returned

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00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: the dog warning card that had been delivered, which is

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00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: standard protocol. And in the post, just a couple of

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Speaker 1: days before her death, she says there was a large

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Speaker 1: group of people gathered on a porch. One woman yelled

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Speaker 1: to her, making multiple threats, including one to mace her,

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: physically harm her, and letting a dog loose to attack her.

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00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: According to the Post, the woman demanded that Summers deliver

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Speaker 1: her mail. It's not clear yet if the same home

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Speaker 1: that Summers is referring to in her post is the

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00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: home on North Denny Street where shots were fired on Monday,

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00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: threatening to mace her, to attack her, or let the

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Speaker 1: dog loose and bite her if she did not deliver

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00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: the mail. And this is not just driving by in

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Speaker 1: your car where they the post postman is on the

547
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: wrong side of the car so he she can put

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00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: the letter in your mailbox. As Joe Scott or Leavi

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00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: Page accurately pointed out, this was a home where you

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00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: had to walk up the yard, up the steps and

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00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: put the mail in a box beside the door. Is

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00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: our understanding. And then all these people congregated on the porch,

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00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: yelling at her and threatening her. Of course she didn't

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00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: go deliver the mail. Take a listen to Fox fifty

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Speaker 1: nine Jesse Wells. While doing her job delivering mail in

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Speaker 1: this East Side neighborhood on Monday, forty five year old

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00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: Angela Summers was shot in the chest and died at

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Speaker 1: the hospital. It's real hard. Of course, It's never happened

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00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: to us before. Reverend Michael Davis, Pastorate, Unity of Indianapolis

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00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: says Angela served as a board member for the church

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Speaker 1: and remembers her outgoing and outspoken personality. Angela was quick

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Speaker 1: with a laugh. Also, she was quick with her opinion.

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00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: You never questioned what Angela was thinking, because she would

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00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: let you know. And now too. Jesse Wells again Fox

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Speaker 1: fifty nine, what do we know about cushing Berry? The

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00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: agency confirmed on Wednesday that twenty one year old Tony

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00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: cushing Berry is accused of the murder. It doesn't stop

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00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: the tears. It actually brought on some more today, just

569
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: because because of the relief of knowing that this isn't

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00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: going to have to go on and on and on

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00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: and on. There there can be some closure. Angela leaves

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00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: behind a teenage daughter and a community trying to make

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00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: sense of the violence of everything. Her daughter was first,

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00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: and that's why she worked hard. To have somebody so

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00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: integral in your community. UM, to have their life taken

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00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: so quickly and so violently, UM, it's hard to take

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00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: that end. It's hard to understand that finally, the US

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00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: Attorney's office is reviewing the case because killing a federal

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Speaker 1: employee on duty is a federal offense that could carry

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00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: a life sentence. A life sentence, Why should this guy

581
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: get anything but a life sentence. We see it over

582
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: and over again, how small things in daily living end

583
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: up in murder at a time when COVID nineteen is

584
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: hanging over all of us, we're in lockdown, we're in

585
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: sheltering in place, we're isolating. Why couldn't they just show

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00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: this woman a tiny bit of kindness. I don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: I want to go to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,

588
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State. You've been on so many death scenes. They're

589
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 1: very rarely some long planned event, meticulously carefully orchestrated. They're

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00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: more often just like this, Joe Scott, Yeah, they are,

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00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: and that's you know, the long orchestrated thing is the

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00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: stuff of Hollywood, Nancy, and I can just say it

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00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: most people, most of these events are reactionary. In this

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00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: particular case, we got an ongoing history with this. But

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00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: it's not like this guy planned out, you know, he

596
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: just he showed up with violence in his heart and

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00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: in his mind, and he wrecked this woman's life and

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00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: wrecked her child's life. And let me tell you a

599
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: little bit about what she went through. You know, they

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00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: talked about how she gave the thumbs up. You know,

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00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: we're going back then, and you know, when she's being

602
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: carried away by the ambulance crew, she took her round.

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00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: She took this bullet through her lungs. And at the

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00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: moment that that occurred, she probably doesn't have an awareness

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00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: of how serious this is. But all the while, and

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00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: this goes to the horror of this, all the while,

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00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: her plural cavity, which is the area actually where the

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00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: lung is seated, there's a space in there. That lung

609
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: has got a hole in it, and out of that

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00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: hole is pumping blood and it's filling up in that

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00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: plural space. And as that plural space gets filled with blood,

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00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: she is slow, slowly literally suffocating on her own blood.

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00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: That means that her lunk can no longer expand she

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00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: can't take air in. And when she does, I would

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00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: suspect that she was probably spitting up blood at some

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00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: point in tom And it's almost like she's drowning, drowning

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00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: for what a stupid dog, A dog mind you that

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00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: had this person had been asked to clear this up. No,

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Speaker 1: he lives in the house with mommy. He's got ten weapons.

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00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: I was looking at a photo oven. He's got enough

621
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Speaker 1: time to get ink splashed all over his neck with

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Speaker 1: these detailed tattoos, tattoo on his face, you know, and

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00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: you're waiting on a check. He's just a little prince

624
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: at me. And this woman who's trying to do her job,

625
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: which is a very hard job, literally drowns death on

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Speaker 1: her own blood. And it's just absolutely horrific. Listen to this.

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Speaker 1: The woman a Langa Salazar, who lived next to her,

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Speaker 1: says she heard a loud noise by a knock on

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Speaker 1: the door. When she opened it, she found Miss Summers

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Speaker 1: on the porch, surrounded by blood, undelivered mail, a can

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Speaker 1: of pepper spray. She tried to comfort Miss Summers, who

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00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: said she was hyperventilating while they waited for paramedics. The

633
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: reality is she was dying in the last hours. I've

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00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: learned that funeral services for Angela have been announced. Listen

635
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: to this. Because of COVID nineteen, the service is going

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00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: to be a tent drive through. Families and friends have

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00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: to stay in their cars and drive by to pay respects.

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00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: I just think about this daughter, this fourteen year old girl,

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Speaker 1: and this mother who kept this route full of problems

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Speaker 1: because based on her position with Postal, she couldn't transfer routes,

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Speaker 1: so she was stuck with it to make a living.

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Speaker 1: And when even carried treats for dogs. Rest in peace

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Speaker 1: and God please be with her little girl. We wait

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Speaker 1: as just as unfalls. Nancy Gray's crime Story, signing off

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,