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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Your name and they.

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Speaker 3: Like you all work at the University of Actually.

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Speaker 4: You're nothing.

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Speaker 5: When those prison doors slams shot behind you. I hope

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Speaker 5: that sound echoes in your heart for the rest of

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Speaker 5: your meaningless days.

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Speaker 6: On the evening of November twelfth and into the early

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Speaker 6: morning hours of November thirteenth, Kaylee and Madison arrived home

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Speaker 6: at approximately one forty five am after visiting a local

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Speaker 6: bar and a street food vendor. Ethan and Xana were

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Speaker 6: also out in the community at Sigma Chai, and they

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Speaker 6: arrived home at approximately one AM. Two surviving roommates who

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Speaker 6: were also at in the community arrived home at approximately

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Speaker 6: one AM.

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Speaker 7: Now we're getting a peak at what was happening in

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Speaker 7: those early morning hours around.

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Speaker 4: Four a m.

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Speaker 7: So far we know they were all out really late,

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Speaker 7: some of them in a group.

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Speaker 4: They were at a food truck.

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Speaker 7: Everybody at that food truck and standing in the group

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Speaker 7: fell under suspicion.

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Speaker 4: I recall there was a guy in the distance.

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Speaker 7: All these people were tracked down and questioned.

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Speaker 4: See the guy on the riot kind of standing away.

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Speaker 4: He was found.

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Speaker 7: He was everybody was found and questioned. So we know

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Speaker 7: they were at a food truck Super super early.

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Speaker 4: In the morning.

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Speaker 7: I'm talking one, two, three am. We know they went home.

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Speaker 7: We know some of them ordered like Uber eats. These

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Speaker 7: are the last known images of some of the victims,

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Speaker 7: and this became an evidentiary football at the beginning of

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Speaker 7: the investigation, as LA law enforcement tried to track their

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Speaker 7: last movements and who they would have come in contact with.

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Speaker 7: They go home, then naysayers immediately began vilifying Dylan and

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Speaker 7: Bethany because they quote waited to call nine to one one.

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Speaker 7: But I want you to see the text conversation between

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Speaker 7: Dylan and Bethany.

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Speaker 8: No one is answering. I'm really confused right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, what the Xana was wearing all black?

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Speaker 8: I'm freaking out right now. No, it's like a ski mask.

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Speaker 8: Almost shut the f up. Actually, like he had something

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Speaker 8: over his forehead and mouth. Bethany, I'm not kidding. I'm

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Speaker 8: so freaked out. So a mine, my phone is going

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Speaker 8: to die.

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Speaker 1: Come to my room, run down here.

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Speaker 8: I'm screwed though, Yeah, I know, but it's better than

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Speaker 8: being alone.

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Speaker 7: Sidney Sumner joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney Let's

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Speaker 7: put this into context. Of course, the cell phone data

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Speaker 7: experts are going to know exactly what time these texts

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Speaker 7: were going back and forth between them. Dylan Mortenson's phone

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Speaker 7: was dying and Bethany was trying to coax Heart to

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Speaker 7: run to her room. Can you imagine running from room

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Speaker 7: to room knowing that there's an intruder or thinking there's

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Speaker 7: an intruder in the home. Tell me what you've gleaned

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Speaker 7: about these text messages, Sidney Nancy.

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Speaker 3: I think these text messages are between two terrified co

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Speaker 3: eds who don't know what's going on and have been

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Speaker 3: out all night partying, drinking. So unfortunately they are not

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Speaker 3: sober at this point. And their house is known to

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Speaker 3: have sometimes strangers in it. They throw parties often, they

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Speaker 3: have a lot of friends. There's five people living there,

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Speaker 3: so in terms of having a stranger in the house,

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Speaker 3: that's not super uncommon for them. And even if this

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Speaker 3: person was not somebody they recognized and fruit them out,

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Speaker 3: they might not immediately call nine to one one, not

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Speaker 6: On the morning of November thirteenth, at eleven fifty eight am,

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Speaker 6: a nine call was placed the call reported an unconscious person.

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Speaker 6: The call originated from inside the residence and the surviving

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Speaker 6: roommates cell phone was used.

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Speaker 9: On location of your emergency.

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Speaker 10: Something is happening to you don't know what?

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Speaker 9: What is the address of the emergency? What is the

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Speaker 11: Oh, King two roads?

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Speaker 9: Okay?

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Speaker 10: And is that a house or an apartment? Did the house?

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Speaker 9: Can you repeat the address to make sure that I

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Speaker 3: I'll talk to you guys. We're we live at the lights,

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Speaker 3: so we're next to them.

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Speaker 10: I need someone to repeat the address for verification.

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Speaker 9: The address one one to to King Drugs. Tell me

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Speaker 9: exactly what's going on.

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Speaker 12: One of our one of.

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Speaker 13: The roommates who pass out and she's drunk class and.

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Speaker 5: Shedn't wake me up?

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Speaker 3: Oh and they saw some man in their house house night.

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Speaker 12: Yeah right?

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Speaker 9: Just men, are you in the patient?

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Speaker 10: I need someone to keep the phone, stop passing it around.

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Speaker 10: Can I just tell you what happened?

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Speaker 12: Pretty much?

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Speaker 10: What is going on currently? If someone passed out right now?

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Speaker 15: I don't really know what pretty much at four m okay,

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Speaker 15: I need.

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Speaker 10: To know what's going on right now. If someone has

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Speaker 10: passed out, can you find that out?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll come, come on up the mudical.

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Speaker 7: Check what we have to And there you hear the

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Speaker 7: surviving victim speaking, and she begins to tell what happened.

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Speaker 7: She says pretty much at four a m. And the

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Speaker 7: dispatch operator cuts in and goes, yeah, I don't need

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Speaker 7: to know that. I need to know if somebody passed out.

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Speaker 4: Can you find that out? Okay, let's keep going.

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Speaker 1: She's not waking up.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, one moment, I'm getting help started that way,

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Speaker 9: Okay, and how old is she?

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Speaker 3: Tom?

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Speaker 10: She's twenty.

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Speaker 12: You said, yes, twenty, here's okay.

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Speaker 10: Hello, Hello, Okay, I need someone to stop passing the

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Speaker 10: phone around because I've talked to four different people.

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Speaker 16: Hey, sorry, they just gave me the phone.

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Speaker 9: Is she breathing?

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Speaker 16: Is she breathing?

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Speaker 12: Okay, Well I can't you talk too?

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Speaker 10: Okay, may have already shurent to the ambulance and law enforcement.

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Speaker 10: Stay on the line.

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Speaker 9: If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get

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Speaker 9: it now and tell me when.

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Speaker 10: You have it.

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Speaker 11: Okay, boy again, there's a police here right now.

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Speaker 18: You don't.

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Speaker 3: Did you have a desibulator?

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Speaker 19: Yes?

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Speaker 9: Do you have one?

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Speaker 10: Are you talking to the officer?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 10: Okay, I'm gonna let you go so she's there with

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Speaker 10: you and can help you.

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Speaker 6: Okay, thank you, fine, Okay, we're Moscow Police officers responded

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Speaker 6: and found two victims, two on the second floor and

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Speaker 6: two on the third floor of eleven twenty two King.

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Speaker 7: Road inside hell h E double L horrific new body

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Speaker 7: camp video emerging inside the murder saying and it reveals

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Speaker 7: the truth for sure.

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Speaker 16: Yep or share or share.

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Speaker 2: We're at and you gotters out. Here's here.

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Speaker 20: You've got to call.

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Speaker 7: You know you.

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Speaker 16: And I checking us down.

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Speaker 21: And I can't re use you agree with you?

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Speaker 13: And I checket.

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Speaker 16: Let's slow down. There's a good news. Come here. It's

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Speaker 16: there's two okay.

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Speaker 7: Doddies Sydney. What we're hearing is the officer who arrives

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Speaker 7: at the scene. There are four people standing outside. Let's

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Speaker 7: see the video. The group is huddled outside and we

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Speaker 7: hear the officer speaking to the friend hunter Johnson, and

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Speaker 7: Johnson is saying, up here, up here, I just came

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Speaker 7: to check in here and this is what I found.

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Speaker 7: I checked to see if she's breathing, and she's I

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Speaker 7: think this is going to be not I didn't check

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Speaker 7: him yet, referring to Ethan. Then you hear a Moscow

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Speaker 7: first responder state looks like dead bodies.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is the absolute first response to this home

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Speaker 17: One one call.

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Speaker 3: And during that call, the girls in the house try

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Speaker 3: to know exactly who they can try and help. So

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Speaker 3: immediately after we see what we saw in the cut

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Speaker 3: this group of twenty five ants that show up to

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Speaker 16: Nobody's allowed to leave for now. Okay, just stay here

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Speaker 2: Do you know they here?

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Speaker 16: Can you guys go over to the dumpster for me?

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Speaker 22: Please let me secure the outside first?

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Speaker 2: Who is there's a backgand try I'll gonna start taking

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Speaker 2: Shut the dog in there.

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Speaker 7: You hear the officer trying to secure it, saying, I've

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Speaker 7: dead bodies, I got two right here.

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Speaker 1: Already.

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Speaker 7: The house is clear. In other words, the suspect's not there.

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Speaker 7: There's not a life suspect there. The house is clear

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Speaker 7: to walk through. And they shut the dog, which is

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Speaker 7: common because you don't know when the dog is gonna

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Speaker 7: go crazy to start biting. You shut the dog in there.

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Speaker 7: I'm curious where he shut the dog. But before I

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Speaker 7: analyze that, I want you to hear more from the survivors.

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Speaker 4: This is Dylan Morton's Listen, all right, what do.

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Speaker 16: You remember you're saying? We started?

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Speaker 11: I remember I was in my room and I trying

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Speaker 11: to go to bed, and they heard Kelley, who I'm

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Speaker 11: so bad?

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Speaker 16: Look real fast, Which one is your room?

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Speaker 3: Her?

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Speaker 16: Which one is your room?

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Speaker 16: Room? Are you in here? You were in that room?

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Speaker 12: My room is in this room?

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Speaker 16: My room and your room. Here's the best one right hand?

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Speaker 11: Is that one second floor?

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Speaker 16: Okay?

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Speaker 12: All I heard was I heard hed go.

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Speaker 11: Upstairs and okay, I'm gonna go to seat now.

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Speaker 2: Because she's going upstairs.

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Speaker 16: Heard who go upstairs?

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Speaker 11: Kaylee and the dog Murphy.

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Speaker 16: And upstairs to the very top.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's where her room is.

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Speaker 4: Sydney.

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Speaker 7: What is probative about that body camp we just showed.

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Speaker 7: What does this prove, Sydney.

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Speaker 11: And then ultimately we're looking up. I heard her scream

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Speaker 11: And I walked the door and I called, and I

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Speaker 16: Yes, you left here.

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Speaker 11: I left my room down to bed and she's that

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Speaker 12: Wouldn't think anything of it.

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Speaker 11: We're like, nothing happens in Moscow.

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Speaker 11: And then we woke up, and it was weird because

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Speaker 11: and then that's all this happened with me. Say that

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Speaker 16: It's the girl that Okay, how do you spoke her name?

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Speaker 12: I mean x A n A.

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Speaker 16: Do you know she has a middle name Alexis I think?

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Speaker 16: Do you know what her last name is?

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Speaker 1: Pronodle kay and Ernestole?

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Speaker 12: Really Kate, you know r n O d l k

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Speaker 16: Okay, excite n A x A n A Okay, Neves

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Speaker 11: He's actually everybody's.

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Speaker 2: Here all the time.

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Speaker 16: He is a Mallett lives here and he doesn't actually

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Speaker 16: as the Indusiana. I believe he is right now, but

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Speaker 16: he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't live. Everybody's here a lot.

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Speaker 11: And then there's Maddy Mogan and Kayley up top.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where they're at.

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Speaker 9: Mit.

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Speaker 2: Describe the guy that you tall.

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Speaker 11: I don't think he was. He was a little bit

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Speaker 2: But she's I'm almost positive.

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Speaker 11: He's bringing a slow back outfit. And he had this

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Speaker 16: To me, like at all.

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Speaker 11: I just shut the door and locked it because I

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Speaker 12: And then I didn't know anything else.

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Speaker 11: I called, you know, I was like, I just can't

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Speaker 16: Where anyone else is.

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Speaker 11: And I called Maddie. I called Danna. I called Katie.

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Speaker 7: No answer.

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Speaker 12: I heard her scream and run like run.

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Speaker 11: As fast as she could downstairs, and she said someone's here.

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Speaker 12: She yes, I could hear you can hear everything.

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Speaker 11: I'm not sure. I heard her run downstairs fast, and

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Speaker 11: then I heard Murphy barking a lot, okay. And then

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Speaker 11: saying you're gonna be okay, to help you. But it

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Speaker 23: You're gonna be okay, I'm gonna help you, and you

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Speaker 16: Then Nuddy about Murphy and then Murphy's a dog.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, and then I.

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Speaker 4: Went outside go to bed and she was so tuky,

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Speaker 12: And then and then my dad liked about a gers

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Speaker 12: and that he just said that.

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Speaker 2: She was Murphy.

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Speaker 25: And was what he was letting me the next and

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Speaker 25: then at what time using Chelsea.

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Speaker 16: M.

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Speaker 7: You see what's happening here, all the speculation about the dog.

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Speaker 4: He had been there before, and he had befriended the dog.

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Speaker 7: He knew Murphy, and Murphy was park Murphy the dog

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Speaker 16: Uh, she's sang this morning for there's a guy black

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Speaker 25: She would recognized him. She and she heard girl screaming upstairs.

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Speaker 25: She got scared, walked herself in the room and then

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Speaker 23: And right now getting off the information, she knows only

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Speaker 25: They just have four people that are unaccount of store

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Speaker 7: Which.

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Speaker 16: Okay, who's dog, who's dog? Who owns a dog.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Gray.

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Speaker 7: And I, and as Sydney told us earlier, we find

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Speaker 7: out the only one that knew what had really happened

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Speaker 7: was Hunter Johnson, the kid that had his hands up

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Speaker 7: over his head in anguish.

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Speaker 4: Listen to Hunter Johnson, I forgot.

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Speaker 16: You're here, man? Do you still want to hang out here?

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Speaker 20: I just want to know what's going on.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: I don't know how much.

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Speaker 23: I'm wanted to disclose right now, we're processing what's going

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Speaker 16: I know it sucks to be in the dark with this,

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Speaker 16: but okay, and what's your what's your relationship again?

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Speaker 25: Okay?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, man, as soon as soon as I know we're

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Speaker 6: The results of autopsies indicated that the four were stabbed

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Speaker 6: had defensive wounds, and there was no sign of sexual assault.

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Speaker 7: Video surveillance shows a white sedan passing the King wrote address.

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Speaker 7: The sedan returns and stops in front of the King

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Speaker 26: We're looking for a twenty eleven to a twenty thirteen

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Speaker 26: the Atlantra, So any assistance you can give us, anybody

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Speaker 26: that owns one, anybody that knows of someone who owns

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Speaker 26: one or may have been driving one. If you could

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Speaker 26: get a hold of us through our tip line or

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Speaker 26: colls directly, we'd appreciate that.

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Speaker 27: Detectives arrested twenty eight year old Brian Christopher Coleburger in Albrightsville,

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Speaker 27: Pennsylvania on a warrant for murder of ethan Zena Madison

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Speaker 27: and Kaylee Coburger resides in Pullman, Washington, who is a

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Speaker 27: graduate student at Washington State University, just.

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Speaker 15: Around three am. In fact, it might have been even

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Speaker 15: a little earlier. A man named Brian Christopher Coburger was

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Speaker 15: taken into custody in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. That is nearly three

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Speaker 15: thousand miles away, in fact, much more more than twenty

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Speaker 15: five hundred miles away from the crime scene here in Moscow, Idaho.

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Speaker 4: Let's see the timeline, isn't it true?

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Speaker 7: Caitlin Cornick joining us from the Sun that Coburger we

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Speaker 7: can prove turned his phone off and on the night

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Speaker 7: of the murders, Yes, two forty two, his phone is

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Speaker 7: on at his apartment in Pullman. To forty seven, he

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Speaker 7: turns his phone off. Who on this panel turns your

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Speaker 7: phone off when you're going driving in the middle of

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Speaker 7: the night. I would keep mine on just in case

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Speaker 7: I had a nine to one one. Anyway, he turns

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Speaker 4: We know that, and that is ear refutable.

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Speaker 7: To forty seven. This guy is up and about turning

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Speaker 7: his phone off. Three twenty nine, not cell phone, but

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Speaker 7: video surveillance from a nearby home. A residence shows a

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Speaker 7: white sedan passing the King wrote address.

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Speaker 4: That looks oops just like his white Elantra for zero four.

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Speaker 7: The sedan returns and stops in front of the King

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Speaker 20: Four.

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Speaker 7: Twenty sixty minutes later, the white sedan scratches off, taking

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Speaker 7: leaving the King road address. And then twenty eight minutes

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Speaker 7: later that phone is turned back on and it's pinging

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Speaker 7: south of Moscow, Idaho State Highway ninety five. The defense

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Speaker 7: is arguing that Coburger was driving south of Pullman, where

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Speaker 7: he goes to school at Washington State University, and west

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Speaker 7: of Moscow, Coburger's residence on the left.

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Speaker 4: I drove it myself.

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Speaker 7: It's about an eight and a half to twelve minute

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Speaker 7: drive from Coburger's apartment to the crime scene where the

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Speaker 7: victims lived on King Road. Defense claiming Coburger driving south

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Speaker 7: of Pullman and that's Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow,

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Speaker 4: Phone back on.

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Speaker 7: Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger gets pulled over by law

458
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Speaker 7: enforcement two times, not just in one day, but actually

459
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Speaker 7: within minutes of each other, on his way for Thanksgiving

460
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Speaker 7: break to his parents' home near the Poconos.

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Speaker 4: I just got to say, two times within minutes. That's

462
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Speaker 4: no coincidence.

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Speaker 16: How y'all doing today?

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Speaker 7: Good?

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Speaker 24: Good?

466
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Speaker 22: Take a look at your driver's lines.

467
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Speaker 16: Is real quick as I could.

468
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Speaker 2: See, he's right up on that man.

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Speaker 16: Man, you right up on the back end of that

470
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 16: van old jover for tailgating? Is this your car? Okay?

471
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Speaker 2: Cool?

472
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Speaker 16: Where you headed?

473
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 9: Well?

474
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Speaker 2: We coming from WSU?

475
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Speaker 7: Where are you headed? He later says, We're going for

476
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 7: tie food and the Dad's like, what uh? You were

477
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 7: seeing bodycam video when a Hancock County, Indiana Sheriff's department

478
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 7: bodycam when they pull them over and ask to see

479
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 7: Coburger's driver's license. Now, it was arguing back and forth,

480
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Speaker 7: and I claimed vehemently that this was no coincidence because

481
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 7: there were two pullovers by local l E law enforcement

482
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Speaker 7: in one trip home. When does that happen? How often

483
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Speaker 7: do you get pulled over? I rarely get pulled over,

484
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Speaker 7: So you get pulled over twice and you never even

485
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Speaker 7: get a ticket. Oh no, that's stunt. To high heaven

486
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Speaker 7: with me right now. Howard Bloom, author of a brand

487
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Speaker 7: new book When the Night Comes Falling a Requiem for

488
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 7: the IO student Murders, which is amazing, and in his

489
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 7: book he outlines how these two pullovers nearly costs the

490
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Speaker 7: FBI their investigation, or so they thought.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen to more of the pullover.

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Speaker 1: What's WSU?

493
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Speaker 17: Yeahs burd that is wat's you Maria A sure.

494
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Speaker 16: Okay, I have a hard time period because of the traffic.

495
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Speaker 16: So you're coming from Washington State University and you're.

496
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Speaker 2: Going where, oh wouldn't be going back to?

497
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Speaker 16: Okay, Yeah, we're.

498
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Speaker 2: A little fighting much.

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Speaker 7: How to Howard Bloom, I'm gonna circle back to the

500
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Speaker 7: fact that, unasked, he starts talking about talking about SWAT's team,

501
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Speaker 7: SWAT Team swarming the area.

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Speaker 4: Methink, thou dost protest too much. In the immortal words

503
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Speaker 4: of William Shakespeare.

504
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 7: Nobody asked, Nobody asked about the Idaho murders.

505
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Speaker 4: Yet he's dead.

506
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Speaker 7: He's just regurgitating, vomiting the information when nobody asked. But

507
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Speaker 7: I want to circle back to the so called hat

508
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Speaker 7: box operation that you described.

509
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Speaker 4: So well in your book When the Night Comes Falling?

510
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Speaker 7: Explain and why did the FBI, who absolutely was following

511
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Speaker 7: Coburger as he and his dad across the country, thought

512
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Speaker 7: that their entire operation may go up in flames.

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Speaker 13: Well, as you point out, the FBI decided that Coburger

514
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Speaker 13: was a person enough interest. They decided this earlier before

515
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Speaker 13: they even told the Moscow Task Force. They kept this

516
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Speaker 13: to themselves for either one of two reasons. The first

517
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 13: reason was that it was the identification was based on

518
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Speaker 13: the genealogy genetics investigative genetic genealogy, and they thought that

519
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Speaker 13: wouldn't hold up in court. Or a much more cynical

520
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Speaker 13: explanation would be that the FBI didn't want to share

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Speaker 13: the credit for Coburg's arrest with anyone else. So they

522
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Speaker 13: go off and follow him, and they have cars, they

523
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Speaker 13: have a plane in the air that's following his route,

524
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Speaker 13: and suddenly they see Coburger being stopped, and they don't

525
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Speaker 13: know what's going on, and they don't know what to do.

526
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Speaker 13: They think a local cop, a local sheriff had seen

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Speaker 13: the be on the lookout for notice and swooped in

528
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Speaker 13: on this Hondai a Lantra, or they're also wondering how

529
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Speaker 13: is Coburger going to react he is a suspect and

530
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Speaker 13: a quadruple homicide. Is he going to get on the

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Speaker 13: you know, put his foot on the accelerator and tear out,

532
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Speaker 13: or perhaps he's going to shoot anything as possible of

533
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Speaker 13: the officer who's coming in to give him this traffic ticket.

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Speaker 13: Then nine minutes.

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Speaker 7: Later, it's almost laughable, Howard, because the FBI actually has

536
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Speaker 7: a bird in the air watching they see one pullover

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Speaker 7: by the Hancock Kenny Sheriffs, and Coburger goes on his way.

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Speaker 4: And then there's another pullover.

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Speaker 1: Don't you know.

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Speaker 4: They're like, what is happening down there?

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Speaker 7: Why are they pulling over our quadruple murders suspect. I'm

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Speaker 7: sure they were just and they couldn't say anything. And

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Speaker 7: they're watching from a bird right, yes.

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Speaker 13: They have assess they're flying overhead. You know, it's a

545
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Speaker 13: hawk waiting to swoop down in case anything happens. In effect,

546
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Speaker 13: and they've been building this case for six weeks and

547
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 13: they're finally getting closer and they think the whole case

548
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Speaker 13: is going to be blown apart before they've connected all

549
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Speaker 13: the dots, and they are filled with a sense of panic,

550
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Speaker 13: but discipline.

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Speaker 7: What Howard, They were right and this is no offense

552
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Speaker 7: to Indiana at all. But I understand where the FBI

553
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Speaker 7: is coming from, and you know how much I hate

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Speaker 7: the Feds. But that said Chris mcdonnad joining me, director

555
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Speaker 7: Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective, and start of the

556
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Speaker 7: interview room on YouTube. Chris, if they had stopped Coburger

557
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Speaker 7: and he nutted up and they arrested him or sped off.

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Speaker 7: Anything could have happened because we can't we can't predict

559
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Speaker 7: what Coburger is going to do.

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Speaker 4: Just like his father, he had no idea what a

561
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Speaker 4: son might do. We would never have gotten the evidence.

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Speaker 7: That we got when they finally got home to the

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Speaker 7: Pocono area, remember they were surveilled.

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Speaker 4: They went in finally or in the early morning hours,

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Speaker 4: they catch I think, in his.

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Speaker 7: Shorts or underwear, wearing plastic gloves and separating his trash

567
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Speaker 7: from everybody else's trash, and they see him go throwing

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Speaker 7: trash in the neighbor's receptacle. None of that would have

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Speaker 7: happened if local authorities had arrested Coburger for a traffic violation,

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Speaker 7: or if Coburger.

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Speaker 4: Spun out and brought about his own arrest. So I

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Speaker 4: understand why they were worried.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely, And not only that. If you remember, this

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Speaker 20: officer is leaning in, so if he would have seen

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Speaker 20: anything in plane view, any blood transfer or anything like that,

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Speaker 20: well the clock starts ticking right then and there. If

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Speaker 20: this officer starts diving into this traffic stop, that you

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Speaker 20: may have this fugitive task Force surveillance team you know,

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Speaker 20: overhead and behind him, going, hey, what.

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Speaker 16: The heck is going on here?

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Speaker 20: You know, this thing could have gone south really fast,

582
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Speaker 20: but fortunately they cut him loose and they were able

583
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Speaker 20: to connect those stocks.

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Speaker 16: The man hearing here where.

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00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: Miss Taylor is, mister Coberger prepared to plead.

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Speaker 21: To these charges.

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00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: Feels because mister Coberger is Sandy silent.

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00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 16: I'm going to enter not guilty.

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00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: Police.

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Speaker 2: Each charge has one, two, three, four, and five.

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Speaker 14: During the quiet morning hours of November thirteen, twenty twenty two,

592
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 14: a faceless coward reached the tranquility of six beautiful young

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Speaker 14: people and senselessly slaughtered them four of them. Who committed

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00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 14: this unspeakable evil was unknown for several weeks, but due

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Speaker 14: to the killers in competence and outstanding police work by

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00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 14: numerous local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies, the person

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Speaker 14: that slithered through that sliding glass door at one one

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Speaker 14: two two King Road now stands before the world and

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Speaker 14: this court unmasked. This unfathomable and senseless act of evil

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Speaker 14: has caused immeasurable pain and loss. No parent should ever

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Speaker 14: have to bury their child. This is the greatest tragedy

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Speaker 14: that can be inflicted upon a person.

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Speaker 7: Brian Coburger takes a plea deal to save his own skin.

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Speaker 1: Why was that allowed?

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Speaker 7: How in the world did Brian Coburger escape trial in

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Speaker 7: the last hours, that deal with the devil goes down

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Speaker 7: in open court. But I want you to see the

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Speaker 7: prosecutor choking on his own words, breaking down, crying in court.

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Speaker 1: Watch on November.

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Speaker 28: Thirteenth, twenty twenty two. Excuse me, miss Coberger entered the

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Speaker 28: residence of eleven twenty two King Road in Moscow, Idaho.

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Speaker 28: He did that with the intent to kill. We will

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Speaker 28: not represent that he intended to commit all of the

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Speaker 28: murders that he did that night, but we know that

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Speaker 28: that is what resulted, and that he then killed intentionally, willfully, deliberately,

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Speaker 28: with premeditation, and with mouse forethought. Manny Mogan, Kate we

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Speaker 28: CON's office, Ethan Chapin and.

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Speaker 4: Sat really.

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Speaker 1: Save it.

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Speaker 4: Your tears mean nothing.

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Speaker 18: You stood there when you took the deal over the

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00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 18: objections of some victims' families, and I agree with them.

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Speaker 7: At first, I thought it wouldn't happen. I thought maybe

624
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 7: the media was wrong. Reports could be wrong, couldn't they

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00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 7: But then it went down in the last hours in

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Speaker 7: a court of law, it's done, it's over. Brian Koberger

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Speaker 7: will never face the death penalty. He won't even face trial.

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Speaker 7: The victims' families will never have answers. Listen to what

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Speaker 7: Steve and Christy gunsolve Is say about this plea deal.

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Speaker 4: We lost our minds.

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Speaker 21: We were in that meet. I mean we were screaming,

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Speaker 21: we were tussing, we were yelling, we were saying, why

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Speaker 21: did you do this?

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Speaker 1: How did you do this?

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Speaker 3: You know what happened.

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Speaker 5: You just talked to us on Friday and told us that,

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Speaker 5: you know, you had every anticipation of taking.

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Speaker 4: This all the way.

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Speaker 19: He accepted the plea deal within the same hour that

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Speaker 19: he got it. This man never wanted to fight for

641
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 19: our children.

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00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 14: Literally, I mean it.

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Speaker 19: They fought for their lives, for their very last breath,

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Speaker 19: and this man had no fighting it. They fought hard

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Speaker 19: all the way to the end, and he gave up

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00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 19: within an hour of being given an opportunity to quit

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Speaker 19: on these kids.

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Speaker 14: Did you on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, we entered

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Speaker 14: the residents at one one two two King Road in Moscow, Idaho,

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Speaker 14: with the intent to commit the fallony crime of murder.

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Speaker 16: Yes, did you.

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Speaker 14: On November thirteenth, twenty twenty two in Leaytah County, State

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Speaker 14: of Idaho, kill and murder Madison Mogan a human being?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 14: And did you do that willfully and lawfully, deliberately and

656
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Speaker 14: with premeditation and melos a forethought?

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00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: Yes?

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00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 14: Did you, Honor about that same date in Moscow, Idaho,

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00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 14: kill and murder Kaylee Gonzalez a human being?

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00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 16: Yes?

661
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 14: And did you do that wilfully, unlawfully, deliberately and with

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Speaker 14: premeditation and malica forethought?

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Speaker 19: Yes?

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Speaker 14: And did you on that same date in Moscow, Idaho,

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00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 14: kill and murder Xana Kernodle a human being?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 14: And did you do that wilfully, unlawfully deliberately, with premeditation

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Speaker 14: and malica forethought?

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Speaker 16: Yes?

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Speaker 14: And then on we're about November thirteenth, twenty twenty two

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Speaker 14: again in Leaytok County, Idaho, did you kill and murder

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Speaker 14: Ethan Chapin a human being?

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Speaker 17: Yes?

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00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 14: Did you do that wilfully and lawfully deliberately, with premeditation

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Speaker 14: and malica forethought?

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00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 16: Yes?

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Speaker 14: With respect to count one burglary felony, how do you

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Speaker 14: plead mister Colberger guilty or not guilty? Guilty as to

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Speaker 14: count two murder in the first degree, the murder of

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Speaker 14: Madison Mogan. How do you plead guilty or not guilty

681
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Speaker 14: guilty as to count three for the murder of Kaylee Gonsalves.

682
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 14: How do you plead guilty You're not guilty guilty as

683
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 14: to count four? First degree murder of Xana Kernodle human being?

684
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 14: How do you plead guilty or not guilty guilty as

685
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 14: to count five? First degree murder of Ethan Chapin. How

686
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 14: do you plead guilty or not guilty?

687
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 4: Guilty?

688
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 7: Guys, we're showing you photos of the victims in this

689
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 7: case who are brutally murdered. From the beginning, we were

690
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 7: told they were murdered in their sleep.

691
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: That's not true, that is not true. Joining me, Susan Hendrix,

692
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 4: you know her well.

693
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 7: She's been with us all day long outside the courthouse.

694
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 7: She's the author of Down the Hill, My Descend into

695
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 7: the double murder in Delphi, and now she has latched

696
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 7: onto this case like nobody's business.

697
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Speaker 4: I want to welcome Susan Hendricks for being with us.

698
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 7: Susan, we found out now that Xana had come down

699
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 7: the stairs and she fought for her life.

700
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: She fought for her life. It's nothing like what we

701
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: were told to start.

702
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 29: With, absolutely, and when new details come out, they're just

703
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 29: more excruciating for the family. We have heard that maybe

704
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 29: she saw something heard something was getting of course the

705
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 29: door dash as you know, and then maybe he chased her.

706
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 29: You mentioned, and I thought this was key, that this

707
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 29: is all they had.

708
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 2: Was today.

709
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 29: I was in the courtroom and I could see it

710
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 29: Nancy building the tension. Kaylee's father, his knee was shaking.

711
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 29: He was to the right of me and his knee

712
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 29: was shaking, and I could tell he was going through

713
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 29: what he was going to say. So he's almost like practicing.

714
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 29: And it's all they had, and they gave it everything.

715
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 29: They've been wanting to say this for so long. Everything

716
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 29: that they wanted to say.

717
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 30: My sister Kayley and her best friend Maddie were not

718
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 30: yours to take.

719
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Speaker 8: You're a delusional, pathetic, hypochondriac loser.

720
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 24: Oh man, You're going to go to hell.

721
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 25: You're evil.

722
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 4: There's no place for you in heaven today.

723
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 7: You have no name.

724
00:41:59,120 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 14: Nobody cares about you.

725
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 7: You.

726
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: You're a joke, complete joke.

727
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 30: You'll be forgotten, discarded, used in e raced if you

728
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 30: hadn't attacked them in their sleep in the middle of

729
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 30: the night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your ass.

730
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you.

731
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 7: The families of the four victims filing out of that courtroom.

732
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 7: Many people call it closure. Let me inform you there

733
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 7: is no such thing as closure when the.

734
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: Person you love the most is murdered.

735
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Speaker 14: All right, mister Colberger, you have an opportunity to make

736
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Speaker 14: a statement if you wish to.

737
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Speaker 16: I take it you are declining.

738
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Speaker 20: I respectfully decline.

739
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Speaker 14: I mind not able to come up with anything redeeming

740
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 14: about mister Coberger, because his grotesque acts of evil have

741
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 14: buried in hidden anything that might have been good or

742
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 14: intrinsically human about him. His actions have made him the

743
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 14: worst of the worst. Even in pleading guilty, is giving

744
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 14: nothing hinting of remorse or redemption, nothing suggesting even a

745
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 14: recognition or understanding, let alone regret for the pain that

746
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 14: he has caused. And therefore I will not attempt to

747
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 14: speak about him further other than to simply sentence him,

748
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 14: so that he is forever removed from civilized society. I

749
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 14: hereby sentence mister Coberger, as follows on count one Burglary

750
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 14: ten years fixed zero years indeterminate. Count two, first degree

751
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 14: murder of Madison Mogen, I sentence the defendant to a

752
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 14: fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

753
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 14: On count three, for first degree murder of Kaylee Gonsalves,

754
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 14: I sentenced the defendant to a fixed term of life

755
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 14: imprisonment without the possibility of parole. On count four, for

756
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 14: the first degree murder of Santa Kernola Well, I sentenced

757
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 14: the defendant to a fixed term of life imprisonment without

758
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 14: the possibility of parole. On count five, for the first

759
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 14: degree murder of Ethan Chapin, I sentenced the defendant to

760
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 14: a fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

761
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 14: The sentences on counts one, two, three, four, and five

762
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Speaker 14: shall run consecutively to one another.

763
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Speaker 1: Xanna was everyone's best friend.

764
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 7: She knew how precious and special life was, yet her

765
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 7: story was cut short by an active evil.

766
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Speaker 4: They were two pieces of a whole, the perfect Yin

767
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 4: and yang.

768
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 9: Man.

769
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,479
Speaker 7: He was their gift of life or purpose and our hope.

770
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 6: We were grow old without our only child.

771
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Speaker 7: Eerie leaked jail videos of Brian Coburger with bright red hands, red.

772
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 4: Red compared to the rest of his arm, bright red hands.

773
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 7: As American psycho type shirtless selfies emerged on his phone

774
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 7: and straight out to any Elisee joining us creator CEO

775
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 7: of tent to Life, Annie, thank you.

776
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 4: For being with us. Let's look at the Oh, look

777
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: at the hands.

778
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 7: We're looking at it right now. I don't know if

779
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 7: you can see it on your monitor. And here he

780
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 7: is obsessive, obsessively cleaning the cracks and the little line

781
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 7: that goes around the bottom of your shoe.

782
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Speaker 4: What he got it in muddy behind bars?

783
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 7: No, but he's recleaning and re cleaning his shoes and

784
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 7: looking around awkwardly, looks very much. You know, if this

785
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 7: is telling me something else is telling me that the

786
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 7: way he looked in sentencing and the.

787
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 4: Way he looked in court is how he really looked.

788
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 4: Kind of a blank dead stare.

789
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Speaker 7: Okay, first of all, I want to analyze everything I

790
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 7: can glean from this leaked video, and who leaked it

791
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 7: is anybody's guests, You know, jails are falling over themselves

792
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 7: to say it's not ours, it's not ours. Hey, it's

793
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 7: somebody's straight out to any at least any what do

794
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 7: you observe in the video.

795
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Speaker 31: I think it's so interesting because of course everybody is

796
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 31: glued to this trying to analyze it, because it's really

797
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 31: the first movements we have seen it for three years

798
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 31: of him.

799
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Speaker 21: And we know we've heard that he has OCD.

800
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 31: So he's carefully cleaning the shoe. But I think what

801
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 31: strikes everybody as odd is when he's done cleaning it,

802
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 31: he puts that tissue up on top of the cage

803
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 31: and he just stares there, very still, very intently, looking

804
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 31: above the monitor that's in that cage, and almost looks

805
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 31: as though he's just thinking or evaluating it.

806
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 21: And it's really eerie.

807
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 7: The video is infuriating victims' rights advocates who think about

808
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 7: the brutality and how these four beautiful young students were murdered.

809
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 4: And now he has what a penhouse sweet at.

810
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 7: The jail, he's got a huge bed by jail house

811
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 7: standards as opposed to a bunk. He has, look at this,

812
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 7: plenty of walking around room, shelfs, multiple pairs of shoes.

813
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 4: He's he's doing fine.

814
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 7: The Elite video has yet to be verified by authorities,

815
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 7: but now his selfies his freaky American psychotype selfies are emerging.

816
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 4: Listen.

817
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 32: Besides the chilling selfie he took giving the thumbs up

818
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 32: hours after murdering four university students, Coburger's cell phone is

819
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 32: filled with creepy selfies posing shirtless and flexing his muscles.

820
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 7: I've got to talk to Susan Hendrix joining us about

821
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 7: the creepy selfies, the shirtless selfies, new ones that have

822
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 7: just emerged.

823
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 4: Oh dear lord, I'm gonna have to report on them.

824
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 4: Just hold that.

825
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 24: What the hey?

826
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: What okay?

827
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 7: Tell me, Susan, tell me what this is and why

828
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 7: I'm having to look at Coburger without a shirt on,

829
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 7: flexing and staring into the camera.

830
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 4: Why is this happening?

831
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 21: Yeah, they are cringe worthy.

832
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 29: And for the company that look through his data hisself,

833
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 29: they found out that he does.

834
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 7: He actually have his pants pulled down toward his crotch

835
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 7: so I can see more of his belly button hair.

836
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 7: What you know, like in the Sports Illustrated magazine, you

837
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 7: know cover the swimsuit is pulled down just a tantalizing

838
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 7: bit too low.

839
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 4: Is that what he's doing?

840
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 21: Iw youw It's gross, It's cringe worthy.

841
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 29: I feel sorry for the families who have to look

842
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 29: at that, and I was looking at each picture getting

843
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 29: grossed out by the way, but kind of wondering what

844
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 29: is he thinking there?

845
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 21: He didn't send these to anyone there for himself. It

846
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 21: reminded me of American Psycho. That movie Just Loving Himself

847
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 21: is cringeworthy, disgusting. There he is flexing. It's perplexing seeing

848
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 21: all this evidence of what was on his phone.

849
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

850
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 7: Joining US forensics expert psychologist doctor Sherry Schwartz.

851
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 4: His obsession with American Psycho.

852
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 7: I don't get it, But can I talk to you

853
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 7: about his preening in front of the camera and flexing

854
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 7: and what it means.

855
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 4: It's like Monk.

856
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 7: Did you ever say Monk Monk only wore a certain

857
00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 7: brilliant homicide investigator. He only wore one time of shirt

858
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 7: every day. I think it was a pale blue button down,

859
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 7: just like in this case. Occasionally Coburg will go crazy

860
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 7: and we're a white button down. But that said, they're

861
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 7: lined up behind him and some of the shots. What

862
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 7: is this revealing to you? Because the crime scene is

863
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 7: blood soaked, it looks like a Jackson Pollock. The closet

864
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 7: and the home where he takes these pictures, is like

865
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 7: bleached clean, and there's this freaky row of all blue

866
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 7: button down shirts behind him.

867
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Speaker 4: What is that, doctor Sherry.

868
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Speaker 33: I mean a part of it could be his fascination

869
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 33: with some level of fame, even if it is something

870
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Speaker 33: he'll keep internally to feel better about himself. That he's

871
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 33: just like Christian Vale in American Psycho, but he'll do

872
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 33: it better and not get caught. We know how that

873
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 33: worked out. These selfies are disturbing because we know that

874
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 33: they're not being sent to anyone. They would be disturbing

875
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 33: if they're being sent to someone, but in this case,

876
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 33: these are for him. And so it suggested to me

877
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 33: that he has some sort of internal dialogue going on

878
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 33: where he's fascinated with this idea of.

879
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 7: Got to Sherry, got to Sherry, got to Sherry. Wait wait,

880
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 7: I want you to look at the screen right now. Okay,

881
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 7: Susan Hendrix, he is saluting.

882
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: The camera. Now, is this particular shot this was taken

883
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 4: after the murders? Correct Susan Hendrix.

884
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 21: It absolutely was, and you see that on his knuckle

885
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 21: there the injury.

886
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 7: Brian Koberger is contesting his plea deal, renigging on some

887
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 7: of the.

888
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 4: Orders in exchange for life over the death penalty.

889
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: Can the case now go to trial.

890
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Speaker 7: It's my understanding to Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter,

891
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 7: that Coburger is bulking at paying for the victims earns

892
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 7: and other expenses.

893
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 12: Right exactly, Nancy.

894
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 24: The shocking part of it is that in that plea deal,

895
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 24: all of this was already negotiated. All of this was

896
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 24: part of it so that he could avoid going to

897
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 24: trial and avoid the needle or the gun. And yet

898
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 24: now they're going back in and saying, well, we need

899
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 24: to send this to the mathematicians that accounting at the

900
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 24: States determine whether or not he's able to pay for it,

901
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 24: because he's in prison for the rest of his life,

902
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 24: and that actually is something that he's not allowed to do.

903
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 24: This plea bargain said he could not go back later

904
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 24: and appeal it. He couldn't contest any aspect of it,

905
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 24: and in so doing, Nancy, I wonder why have they

906
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 24: not already said, boom over, you're going to trial.

907
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 4: Well, the judge seems to agree with you.

908
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 17: Dave Matt, listen to Hippler, So you took advantage of

909
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 17: the plea agreement to get the benefit of the bargain

910
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 17: regarding the state's dropping of the death penalty.

911
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 14: Why should you not be held to the plea agreement

912
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 14: to pay the victims the costs in turning their children?

913
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 7: I mean, for Pete's sake, does Judge Hippler have to

914
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 7: feed the prosecution with a silver spoon? Here's your way

915
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 7: out of this disastrous plea deal out of all of

916
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 7: your lies and your secret deals. Coburger is contesting restitution

917
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 7: that was part of the deal.

918
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: So deal is off. I mean, can the judge make

919
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 4: it any more clear?

920
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 17: Listen to Hippler, what's the point of the plea agreement

921
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 17: on restitution if the defense is able to argue against

922
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 17: the restitution called for in the plea agreement itself?

923
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 4: And it's not an issue? Is it to Annie?

924
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 7: At least joining us from seriously Annie, he's got at

925
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 7: least a five figure amount of money in his commissary account.

926
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 31: It's unbelievable, first and foremost, the fact that people are

927
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 31: sending an admitted quadruple murderer tens of thousands of dollars.

928
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 31: Then for him to be contesting payment the restitution that

929
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 31: is outlined. And I'm sorry, but three thousand dollars for

930
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 31: the earns is that the going rate these.

931
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: Days for a life?

932
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 21: It's just if he's afforded.

933
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 31: These comforts of ramen, toilet trees, different treats with his commissary,

934
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 31: why should he get more comforts than the victims were

935
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 31: ever afforded.

936
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 7: Straight out to Christy and Steve Gonsalves joining us, the

937
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 7: fact that Coburger is contesting issues within the plea deal,

938
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 7: that's not the banner the important part of this. We

939
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 7: know he's contesting paying restitution. Could that and resind renig

940
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 7: the plea deal? Because if he is backing out of

941
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 7: conditions of the plea deal, then the deal is off.

942
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 7: Have you considered this could take the case to trial.

943
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 7: If Coburger himself is refusing to pay restitution as ordered

944
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 7: in the plea deal.

945
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: I would love for that to happen.

946
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 5: But I feel like it's all just games and none

947
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 5: of it is taken serious, Like, oh, he doesn't want

948
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 5: to pay his restitution.

949
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: Slap slap, slap.

950
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 5: You can't do that, pay your restitution, move on.

951
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 4: Well, this is what it boils down to.

952
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 7: Steve.

953
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 4: Let's look at this, so I take a play deal

954
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 4: twenty to serve, all right, and the defendant thing goes, yeah,

955
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 4: I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to

956
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 4: do twenty.

957
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 7: Well, then the deal is off. Pay your restitution is

958
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 7: an important part of that deal. And if Coburger contests it, fine,

959
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 7: I'd be mad if he didn't. Now, let's go to trial.

960
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 7: That is possible. He's nigging on the deal.

961
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: That's on him.

962
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 7: So what you'd have to do, what we would have

963
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 7: to do, is get Thompson off this case. He can't

964
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 7: try this case. Someone else, an independent prosecutor, would have

965
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 7: to try it, which.

966
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: Would be great.

967
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 2: I would love to see that.

968
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 34: This guy has been trying to control the narrative, you know,

969
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 34: pKa from the very beginning the mini he even got

970
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 34: in prison, he started writing up complaints and started doing

971
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 34: formalities and Saytan, you're gonna transfer me, You're gonna do this,

972
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 34: You're gonna do that. We got to just put our

973
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 34: foot down to these kind of psychopath killers and stop

974
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 34: entertaining them and stop treating them with baby gloves. It's

975
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 34: just it's just disgusting, and we're doing it all the

976
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 34: way up. Three years later joining.

977
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Speaker 7: Us tonight, Christy and Steve Gonsolve, thank you, thank you

978
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 7: for being with us. I know that every time you

979
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 7: have to talk about this, it just brings it all

980
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 7: up again. If you could have your wish, which of

981
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 7: course would be to have Kelly back, what is your wish, Christy?

982
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 5: The wish of wanting Keay back is obviously that that's

983
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 5: not possible. So my only other wish would be for

984
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 5: him to hurry up and take a sauce breath. Him

985
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 5: being dead would be great.

986
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 34: I will try to make something positive out of it

987
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 34: as much as you possibly can. And I feel like

988
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 34: that's what me, O, Livy and the family's doing is

989
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 34: we're trying to put some actions we're trying to put

990
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 34: We're trying to rally around anyone who we see something

991
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 34: disgusting and puts their foot down and says, all right,

992
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 34: I've had enough. I think that's that's the best we

993
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 34: can do. And if we can take this murder and

994
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 34: all the people's attention on it and say, hey, there's

995
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 34: no point of having red flags if we're not doing

996
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 34: something about it. And we see all these killers, and

997
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 34: we look back at their past behaviors and there's all

998
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 34: these red black but just no not enough action behind them.

999
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 34: People just dodging the bullets, just saying we didn't know

1000
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 34: he was a normal person.

1001
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 19: No, you did know.

1002
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 34: There was things there. There was girls making complaints all

1003
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 34: around this individual, over and over, and you just refuse

1004
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 34: to listen to them. You just refuse to do something

1005
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 34: when they were crying out for help. And it's happening

1006
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 34: all the way to today. We're going to loose tens

1007
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 34: of thousand dollars because the prosecutor refused to help us.

1008
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 34: If he couldn't do it, he didn't, whatever the reason

1009
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 34: he failed us.

1010
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 7: There could be a way around this deal with the devil?

1011
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 7: But now will it happen? I am begging the FEDS

1012
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 7: to intervene. I am begging a court to investigate this

1013
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 7: and appoint an independent prosecutor. How can we stand by

1014
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 7: and hear? Are these families.

1015
00:58:55,120 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: Pain and do nothing? The current US Attorney for the

1016
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: Idaho District is Bart M.

1017
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 4: Davis. Repeat, Bart M. Davis.

1018
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 7: The number two zero eight three three four one two

1019
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 7: one one two zero eight three three four one two

1020
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 7: one one. You have the knowledge, use it? Is there

1021
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 7: a way out of this deal with the devil? The

1022
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 7: local prosecutor struck with Brian Coburger. Can we get Coburger

1023
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 7: to trial? Now we remember an American hero Border Patrol Agent,

1024
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 7: Freddie or Tease, US Department Homeland Security, killed in the

1025
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 7: line of duty after thirteen years serving and protecting, leaving

1026
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 7: behind his grieving mother. American hero Patrol Agent Freddie or Tease.

1027
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 7: Thank you to our guest tonight, but especially to you

1028
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 7: for being with us. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight.

1029
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 7: I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,

1030
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 7: m HM.