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Speaker 1: we feel like you just can't wash it off, you know. Yeah,

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00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: I go into a whole sometimes just shiver alone in

422
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: the dark. But we do know that if there are

423
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: real multi generational lines of theistic Satan worshippers, then there

424
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: are some problems with verifying their existence. How do we

425
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: how do we say it? Right? Yeah, well, sure that

426
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: this sort of worship was I mean, you could get

427
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: yourself killed, executed by the state or the church for

428
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: a long time there. Um. I mean it would be

429
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: very difficult to openly worship the devil or Satan pretty

430
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: much at any time, even right now. It would be difficult.

431
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: I think, with as progressive as we are right now,

432
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: if you're super open about it, I think your life

433
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: is not going to be easy at least, well, especially

434
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: if you're if you're a person who is worshiping the

435
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: idea of Satan is presented in the Bible right or

436
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: in biblical canon, because then you would be actively doing

437
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: things that are against the law. Your alignment would be

438
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I believe, chaotic evil done. If we're doing a role

439
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: plane joke. Yeah, well, there's another thing here too. Numerous

440
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: organizations purporting to have some sort of ancient lineage have

441
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: been proven to be hoaxes, or at least if we're

442
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: going to give them a benefit of a doubt, they

443
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: have been lying, at least in part about their origin. Uh.

444
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: I want to say something else suit earlier I said neopagan. Uh,

445
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't believe that there's anything wrong or inherently evil

446
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: about Neopaganism. I mean, it's one of those who I

447
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: haven't seen in recent memory. Uh. A group of Neopagan's

448
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: band together and kill everyone who's not neopagan. Yeah. Sure,

449
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm never heard of Neopagan's doing anything wrong actually that

450
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: I can recall. Well, history is long, and there's a

451
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: lot of stuff for us to dig through. I'm sure

452
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: we could find. The last thing I want to mention

453
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: here are Freemasons. Now we will go online and you

454
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: will see all kinds of videos and websites about how

455
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: Freemason's worship lucifer um. I got a book for Christmas

456
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago called Freemason's One on One. Now,

457
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's the Bible of the Freemasons or

458
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's not the go to book. You can't

459
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: go there and find all the answers, um. But it

460
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: talked a lot about how there was some confusion about

461
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: worshiping the devil with Freemasons. I don't have all the information,

462
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: but I would highly recommend you going out there and

463
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: doing some research, um if you hear about this kind

464
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: of thing, because a lot of it, at least from

465
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: my experience, is rumor um and probably not true. But

466
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure. I see what you're saying,

467
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: that's fair. We know that Freemason lodges have acquired at

468
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: times uh shady reputation, but a lot of that would

469
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: be judging off of one bad apple in many ways. Well.

470
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: And it's also just secrecy in itself, sure, And there's

471
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: there's a great deal of um. There is a great

472
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: deal of inherent secrecy and something like that. However, in

473
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: the age of the Internet, it is super super easy

474
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: to find that information. Now, is it dis respectful to

475
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: people who wish that kind of privacy? Um? Yeah, you know,

476
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: in in a lot of ways it is. It's uh, certainly.

477
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: For instance, it would be disrespectful to scientologists, right where

478
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the documents that are supposed to be

479
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: restricted if you're a scientologist, right, they are available pre

480
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: online and uh, you know it. It goes back to

481
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: your idea of is this ethical? But yeah, with freemasons.

482
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: A lot of the fascinating stories that you can read here, um, nowadays,

483
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna tend to be more factual than the rumors

484
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: that would spread, you know, when people didn't have the

485
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: ability to google something. The Internet does tend to shed

486
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: light on things too, many things sometimes, and all kinds

487
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: of noise as well. Right, that's a very interesting point.

488
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever talked about this is

489
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: so tangential, but there's this there's this great idea that

490
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: secrecy used to be based on restricting information right before

491
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: the digital age, and now it's based on inundating you

492
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: with information. And I always wonder when we're really cooking

493
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: with gas, Matt. I always wonder if we're going to

494
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: find one of those needles in the haystack, you know,

495
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: when those diamonds in the rough, and have somebody show

496
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: up at our tours. Jeez, well, I can give you

497
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: one little needle in the haystack. What's that? The trans

498
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: specific partnership? Uh? Field just to me, this is completely

499
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: uh in my opinion, But it seems like there are

500
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: a lot of things happening and in the news right now.

501
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: Then Night beat off obvious skate the idea of the

502
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: trans specific partnership. I don't know, man, I don't know.

503
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: Let's look into it. Let's find out and listeners, those

504
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: of you who perked up when you heard us mentioned

505
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: this right to us and let us know if you

506
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: want us to cover this in more depth. All right,

507
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: you guys, let's get into the allegation of Satanism throughout

508
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: time time time time. This is just a giant list

509
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: that Ben and I are going to go through. If

510
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: you hear something that you're interested in, get on that

511
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: Google and just find it. Man. There's all kinds of

512
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: stuff for you on that Google and you can find it.

513
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: But be careful, my friends, because the search engine it's

514
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: a lot like an abyss. You search long enough, it

515
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: starts searching you whatever. Yea, that was better in my head.

516
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: So one thing we noticed in our YouTube comments is

517
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: that quite a few people said, why didn't you cover uh,

518
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: these various groups that are clearly Satanist? And we have

519
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: covered these folks. So if we say something strikes your interest,

520
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: check out our videos, search YouTube, dot com forward slash

521
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff, or check out our website stuff. Then once

522
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: you know dot com and you will probably find h one,

523
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: two or even three part series on these on these guys.

524
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: So with a devilish drumroll, please perfect, let's start naming

525
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: groups accused of Satanism. That was unexpected, it was really good.

526
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: So the first one is the Illuminati, nice, beat me

527
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: to it, Uh all right? And the Bohemian grove ben

528
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: ah yes, uh, possibly separate entities, but who knows. Man.

529
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: What about the royal family? Ah? Yes, which one? Right?

530
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: All of them? All of them? What about the builder Bergs,

531
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great one, Trilateral Commission, the Business Council,

532
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and uh what about the Rothchild's, Oh that's

533
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: one of those families? About any of those families, the

534
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: war Birds, the Rockefeller's, any name that you think is

535
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: associated with having a certain amount of money. I'm surprised

536
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: really that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett haven't been accused

537
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: of Satanism yet. We just haven't found the accusation. It's

538
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: somewhere small on a Geo Cities page, right, yeah, Alex

539
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: Geo Cities. Uh, it's not online anymore, is it. You

540
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: have to use the way back machine. It's true, but

541
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: it's there. Uh. Let's see. So we did the Freemasons,

542
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: the Rose Crucians, Uh, the Council for Foreign Affairs, right man. Uh,

543
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: let's see what else. Uh, the Jesuits of all people

544
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: at times have been accused of worshiping Satan. It's very

545
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: strange to me. Have you even seen the Catholic Church itself?

546
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: Like the Vatican lumped in there because of some of

547
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: the symbols that they use, uh, like that the acorn

548
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: and what was the other thing? Oh the obelisks? Yeah yeah, Uh.

549
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: The obelisks are a huge thing too. And if you

550
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: I don't blame people because if you just look at

551
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: an obelisk, it's really weird. And why of all things

552
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: did you build that? Strangely phallic monument. That's why. Okay, well,

553
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: I guess I just figured thank you you just you

554
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: just hit me too. It actually to Yeah, the male

555
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: fallic imagery never be the same. But the let's see

556
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: some other groups that have been accused of this. It's

557
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: sad and it's heartbreaking, but we'd be remiss if we

558
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: didn't point it out. Over the course of history, the

559
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: three Abramaic religions, especially denominations or facets schools of thought

560
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: in those three religions, have accused each other more or

561
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: less continually across history of UH not only being misled

562
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: in their choice of belief system, but actively worshiping the devils.

563
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: So they said this about UH. Christians have said this

564
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: about Judaism, UH. Christians have said this about Islam right

565
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: and is uh people who follow Islam have said this

566
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: about other religions. It's a mess. I think it. It's interesting.

567
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: It goes back to the idea that Satan is this

568
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: great trickster and will make you believe that something is

569
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: true that is not and something is not true that

570
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: is So you basically get um mixed around and you

571
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: think that what's up is down and down is up.

572
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: And then you end up worshiping Satan. Yeah, you thought

573
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: you were worshiping God. I think that's an interesting idea

574
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: and why it kind of shapes the views of the

575
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: other religions at times in history. Right, Yeah, you'll you'll

576
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: see this, and it's I'm so glad you mentioned that

577
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: because you see that idea playing out in uh purported

578
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: explanations of a Freemason power structure to right that there's

579
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: only an inner circle who knows what's actually going on,

580
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: and the outer circle is just there for you know,

581
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: social cash a. Yeah, you're worshiping the great architect, but

582
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: you didn't know the great architect is Satan. Voice is

583
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: killing me, man, my bad. I don't know what happened.

584
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: It's like it's not even coming from you. I'm hearing

585
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: it in different corners of the room. And that's weird. Yeah,

586
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: Noel's crying a little bit of blood. That's strange. Well,

587
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: let's sol drawn, go get a tissue. But now finally

588
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: our million million dollar question, Okay, are there aside from

589
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: these allegations which have not been proven, are there genuine

590
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: cases of people purposely conducting evil rights to venerate or

591
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: communicate with an otherworldly, supernatural, unholy monster beyond the stars.

592
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, is that is it real?

593
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: That was poetic? Man? Oh thanks many. Yep. There are

594
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: the cases we mentioned on the show with the one

595
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: that is uh likely an inspiration for True Detective, and

596
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: that is definitely something that would caution you about if

597
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: you are easily offended or bothered. There there are some

598
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: very disturbing details, but so okay, so we know those

599
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: cases we mentioned on the show. There's an alleged devil

600
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: worship ring in Italy known as the Beast of Satan.

601
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: I found a biased source Christian World News that estimates

602
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: there are eight hundred Satanic cults in Italy alone, and

603
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: we had to note those have not been proven. There

604
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: have been numerous serial killers that claim to be involved

605
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: with some kind of dark, dark Satanic arts, some kind

606
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: of rights or rituals. Yeah. Um, this includes killers like

607
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: the Son of Sam, Richard Ramirez, Hottest Tool, and a

608
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: bunch more. And you can look into the four Pie movement,

609
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: The Hand of Death super interesting. We did an episode

610
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: on that and it's still to this day one of

611
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: the most Uh. I don't know, I'll sit down and

612
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: watch it sometimes even though I know exactly what's gonna happen.

613
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: It's just weird. I'm surprised that there has not been

614
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: an in depth feature film on that because it's such

615
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: a strange and fascinating story. But then there are other people,

616
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: perhaps you listeners, who say, if you think about it,

617
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: it's not surprising at all. All Right, there's another book

618
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: that we found in the name of Satan. This book

619
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: concerns an incident where these teenagers Royce Casey, Jacob Delashman,

620
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: and Joe Fiorella. We're in a band called Hatred, and

621
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: they believe that they have found a way to make

622
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: the ultimate offering to the Prince of Darkness. They sacrificed

623
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: an innocent girl, uh and dragged her to an area

624
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: they believed would serve as a devil's altar. They drugged her,

625
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: the attacked her, they stabbed her. And we'll find that

626
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: a lot of the cases of people who are saying

627
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: that they are a theistic Satanist, uh there really throwing

628
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: this idea on this sort of window dressing to their crimes,

629
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And so it's more I think the

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Speaker 1: case cases of disturbed individuals, to me, it's almost and

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Speaker 1: not an excuse to go through with some of those

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Speaker 1: dark thoughts, but it's a maybe for the person. It's

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Speaker 1: a nice way to try and justify it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not nice at all. It's not nice at all. It's

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Speaker 1: just a way for them to just I imagine that's correct,

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Speaker 1: which makes it even more disturbing. And here's another example

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Speaker 1: if we're talking about rationalization. In two thousand to a

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Speaker 1: young married British couple admitted to a ritual Satanic killing UH,

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Speaker 1: and they were told they could spend the rest of

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Speaker 1: their lives in a secure psychiatric unit. There's this belief

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Speaker 1: then that there was a bizarre underground occult group in Britain. UH.

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Speaker 1: Lady named Manuela Ruda, she was twenty three at the time,

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Speaker 1: told the German courts she had become a vampire in London,

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Speaker 1: and her husband, Daniel Ruddea I assume six, was given

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Speaker 1: a prison sentence, so they had thirteen years for her

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Speaker 1: fifteen years for him. UH. They had hacked one of

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Speaker 1: their friends to death in a flat UH in Germany,

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Speaker 1: and if you read the details of the story, one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons they picked him is because he had

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Speaker 1: sort of a milder demeanor and like the Beatles really yeah,

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Speaker 1: which doesn't sound It sounds to me more like a

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Speaker 1: rationalization for wanting to kill someone than it does. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, feeling compelled by dark forces to do so

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Speaker 1: gives a feeling about this stuff. That's not the last example. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, a gang of Satan worshippers

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Speaker 1: murdered four teenagers by stabbing each of them six hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty six times. Yeah. The number of the wounds

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Speaker 1: is the same as that revered by followers of the Devil,

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Speaker 1: which not to be pedantic, the number is not actually

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Speaker 1: six six six. That's a mistranslation, right, Yes, Ben, it's

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Speaker 1: possible that that number is actually six one six, So

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Speaker 1: they're not doing their research. But these these people, this

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Speaker 1: gang would kidnap they kids who were sixteen seventeen, which

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Speaker 1: I still think qualifies as a kid uh, and then

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Speaker 1: attack them. And this was in Russia, about three hundred

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Speaker 1: miles northeast of Moscow. They also eight parts of their victims,

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Speaker 1: which brings us to one other case. And I you know,

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Speaker 1: we're hammering at home, but we're barely scratching the surface

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Speaker 1: of murders that are alleged to be part of Satanic rights.

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Speaker 1: This past month that for anyone listening to this podcast

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Speaker 1: when it comes out October. Uh, just as people were

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Speaker 1: preparing for Halloween, three people were arrested for killing and

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Speaker 1: cannibalizing at least two men in Clemens, North Carolina. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The male who is, you know, sort of the ring leader,

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Speaker 1: is named pozzuzu Ila Algarad thirty five years old, and

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Speaker 1: his accomplices list is Amber Nicole Burcho, Crystal Nicole Matlock.

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Speaker 1: Uh so, and those are just the people arrested so far, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that those are gonna be the main three. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This Pozzus, you guy a real character for everybody wondering, Hey,

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Speaker 1: does that name sound familiar? Yeah, it's the demon from

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Speaker 1: The Exorcist. Turns out Pazzus, who's mother is a Satanist

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Speaker 1: and named her son that. Oh that was just going

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Speaker 1: to turn out great, wasn't it. Yeah? And uh, the

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Speaker 1: I don't know the entirety of the story. I know

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Speaker 1: that they're still looking for more bodies. They found the

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Speaker 1: men buried in the backyard, and they found animals as well. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So these are certainly not leave a type Satanist or

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Speaker 1: atheistic Satanist. So Matt got to ask you my favorite

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Speaker 1: part of the show, what's the verdict. The verdict is, uh,

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Speaker 1: don't name your children names of demons from popular films.

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Speaker 1: You're just setting yourself up for failure or maybe when

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Speaker 1: depending on what you believe. But I would say, don't

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Speaker 1: do that. I think ben that this is a real thing.

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Speaker 1: People in my experience, can make themselves believe a lot

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Speaker 1: of things, and I personally don't think that a Satan,

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Speaker 1: a Satan that can be worshiped exists my personal opinion. However,

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Speaker 1: I definitely think that some people could convince themselves that

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Speaker 1: it's true and do things like we said before to uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, to strengthen those beliefs. I see what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, I This is so interesting to me

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Speaker 1: because it's one of the longest running, most pervasive conspiracy

702
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Speaker 1: theories in the in the world of this sort of thought,

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Speaker 1: and that's the idea that the Earth is run, or

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Speaker 1: at least part of the Earth is run by a

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Speaker 1: faction of people who have a secret religion. Here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: As crazy as it might sound, it is possible to

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Speaker 1: have a secret religion, and really when we see most

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Speaker 1: of that. It's just it's religion where outsiders are not

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Speaker 1: allowed to see certain stuff, but they'll you'll you'll know

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Speaker 1: that there is a religion that you're not part of.

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Speaker 1: For something to be so secret that people don't even

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Speaker 1: know about it, that's kind of tough. And for a long,

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Speaker 1: long long time it was very, very skeptical about this um,

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Speaker 1: but recent events in the United Kingdom have convinced me

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Speaker 1: that it is possible for people at the top of

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Speaker 1: a social hierarchy to keep secrets that otherwise should never

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Speaker 1: have been kept in And I'm talking specifically about the

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Speaker 1: child abuse allegations largely seeming factual, uh, regarding Cyril Smith, um,

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Speaker 1: what's his name, Jimmy Saville, and these guys kept secrets

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Speaker 1: for decades and they had assistance from the government. And

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Speaker 1: if we just took out child abuse and put in Satanism, uh,

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Speaker 1: then the mechanism of keeping something like that secret still holds,

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Speaker 1: which is terrifying it right, So, just just as an

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Speaker 1: an anecdote here, I used to work at a country club,

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Speaker 1: a prominent country club in Atlanta, and I knew a

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Speaker 1: lot of the members names because I worked there, and

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Speaker 1: one of the things was you had to address people

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Speaker 1: by their names when they show up. One of the

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Speaker 1: only things you'll find if you go online and search

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Speaker 1: for this group or the members of this club is

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Speaker 1: an old web page that you have to have a member.

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Speaker 1: I d to log in and search it at all.

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Speaker 1: And I was trying to find, like, look up some

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Speaker 1: of these old members because I actually, uh somewhat became

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Speaker 1: friends with some of them, and you can't find their

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Speaker 1: names anywhere, some of these really prominent people. It just

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Speaker 1: makes me think, Oh, I don't know, man, if it's

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Speaker 1: that easy to hide yourself on the internet, ah, just

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Speaker 1: for that simple thing, like your information about being a

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Speaker 1: member of a country club. Privacy is one of the

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Speaker 1: new elite privileges, you know what I mean. It's it's

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Speaker 1: increasingly difficult for people to attain online privacy. So I

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Speaker 1: can see how it's definitely at a premium. And I

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Speaker 1: guess what you and I are both saying then, is

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Speaker 1: that through different means, we have found that it is

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Speaker 1: possible for someone to keep a secret, whether that secret

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Speaker 1: be a crime or whether that secret be some sort

748
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: of belief system. And that's to me, that's strange, um,

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Speaker 1: especially because you know, Matt, you and I work ardently

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Speaker 1: to make sure that we respect other people's belief systems, right, um,

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Speaker 1: even in some cases belief systems that specifically say people

752
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: like you and I are very very bad. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: enough about us. We hope that you enjoyed this podcast.

754
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Speaker 1: We would like to hear what you think. Are there

755
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: real devil worshipers? Are they multi generational and they spanning

756
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: the globe working in secret to bring down humanity or

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Speaker 1: usher in a new dark age? And yeah, and if

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Speaker 1: there is a group like that, what exactly do you

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Speaker 1: think they worship? What back is it? Man? We'd love

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