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Speaker 1: Getting chppy on the practice field quality.
Speaker 6: We're getting into practice, We're getting into this. Day four, Day.
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Speaker 6: Now, okay, fair enough, shoddy address the fights that were
Speaker 6: happening at camp. We saw one early on day one,
Speaker 6: No big deal, A little skirmish, no big deal.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: Day two was a little interesting, a real chippy. Maybe
Speaker 6: a punch or two thrown. I don't know. Sources say maybe.
Speaker 1: A source informed there was a couple of punches thrown.
Speaker 6: Shotty talked about it. Punches can't be We can't be
Speaker 6: throwing punching out there. Can't do it is And I
Speaker 6: know he's talking about a new culture and being intense,
Speaker 6: finding ways to be intense, but you have to be
Speaker 6: disciplined at the same time. Boy, is this this is
Speaker 6: toxic culture that we're seeing in Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 8: No, I mean this is normal. I think this is football.
Speaker 6: I think you heard it from contact sports.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a contact sport.
Speaker 9: And these are these are guys who have been wanting
Speaker 9: to go for a while now, right, and now they
Speaker 9: finally get a chance to kind of let it out
Speaker 9: a little bit, and you know, not not as much
Speaker 9: as they should be. You know, pads come on on Sunday,
Speaker 9: there's gonna be plenty of opportunities for you to go
Speaker 9: and hit somebody. Uh So you know, you just gotta
Speaker 9: you just gotta know how to practice, right, and you
Speaker 9: gotta know how to practice. This is their first time
Speaker 9: practicing under Brian Schottheimer. I think you know as well
Speaker 9: as you as well as he could. He shut everything
Speaker 9: down pretty quick, and the Cowboys staff shut everything down
Speaker 9: pretty quick. But punches and stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 9: pushing and shoving, that's one thing, right, Like that's naturally
Speaker 9: gonna happen. Like Keemon Hall and Ceedee Lamb got into
Speaker 9: it yesterday and they got into so you know, they
Speaker 9: got in a shove match. Throw the ball and that's fine.
Speaker 9: These guys are going at it there. You know, I
Speaker 9: think Dak put it really well, in his in his
Speaker 9: press conference, it's like, man, these guys are fighting for jobs.
Speaker 9: You know, they're fighting for their livelihood out here. So
Speaker 9: it's intense. It's gonna be high pressure and naturally, is
Speaker 9: you know, just human nature, that stuff's gonna happen.
Speaker 8: So you just can't let it boil over too far.
Speaker 1: Is it toxic? Absolutely not.
Speaker 7: You know what I would view as toxic, uh a
Speaker 7: football team, Well, of course, but a football team that
Speaker 7: doesn't show physicality, does not show intensity, he shows some
Speaker 7: type of you know, lackadaisical behavior toward what is another
Speaker 7: pivotal season for the Dallas Cowboys. I mean, this is
Speaker 7: a pressure pecked season for reasons on several layers. Of course,
Speaker 7: the most prevalent is going to be the fact that
Speaker 7: you're bringing in a new head coach. But on top
Speaker 7: of that, this is his first time as an NFL
Speaker 7: head coach. He has a lot to prove as early
Speaker 7: as year one. So if you're Brian Schottenheimer, you want
Speaker 7: and I love what Dak Prescott said yesterday about it.
Speaker 7: He said that it's about walking the line. He said,
Speaker 7: it's a fine line.
Speaker 1: Excuse me.
Speaker 7: It's about being competitive but not being combative and that's
Speaker 7: what it needs to be. But he said it's healthy,
Speaker 7: and I agree with Dak Prescott it is healthy. But
Speaker 7: I also agree with Brian Schottenheimer and saying you can't
Speaker 7: throw punches.
Speaker 1: You absolutely can't throw punches. A shovy match here and there.
Speaker 7: Okay, Fine, that's called alpha males squaring off in a
Speaker 7: circle and getting their business on. Okay, But when it
Speaker 7: comes to you know what we saw in Day two
Speaker 7: with a huge scrum and a couple punches were thrown
Speaker 7: here and there. That can't happen because if you're allowing
Speaker 7: it as a head coach to happen in practice, then
Speaker 7: you're going to ultimately have a hard time policing it
Speaker 7: in a game when that third down is on the line,
Speaker 7: the quarter is on the line, the game is on
Speaker 7: the line, and that's going to be the difference. Especially
Speaker 7: in a division that says feverishly competitive as the NFC East,
Speaker 7: that can be the difference between you making the playoffs
Speaker 7: and you being on the outside looking in by one
Speaker 7: or two games. So we talk about penalties, self discipline,
Speaker 7: being able to control what you can control. You can
Speaker 7: control what your hands are doing when when it comes
Speaker 7: time to, you know, get face to face with a guy.
Speaker 7: And on top of that, I am eternally on the
Speaker 7: on the level of one of the dumbest things I've
Speaker 7: ever seen in life. And I play ball. Why would
Speaker 7: you throw a punch of a guy wearing a helmet? Yeah,
Speaker 7: the helmet always wins.
Speaker 8: It's always a good question.
Speaker 6: It's an interesting decision. But as you're saying, you know,
Speaker 6: motions are high, you have you're competing and getst one
Speaker 6: of them, showing that there.
Speaker 1: Are dogs out there, which I love.
Speaker 6: I like seeing it. But as brianon shot number said
Speaker 6: that there has to be a way to discipline it.
Speaker 6: And another thing that you wrote in your article following
Speaker 6: up Brian Schottennhammer talking about it is that when you
Speaker 6: have aggressiveness to that level, when you control it, it
Speaker 6: is all the more dangerous. That to me is indicative
Speaker 6: of who this team. It's a good thing that early
Speaker 6: on in camp we're seeing these things, but you don't
Speaker 6: want that to reflect on the field on Sunday when
Speaker 6: you're going against teams, finds can be incurred and you
Speaker 6: can get players eliminated off the field, you know, thrown
Speaker 6: off the field for throwing punches. It's not good. We've
Speaker 6: seen it before. We don't want to tap it.
Speaker 7: Here's what I said, and feel free to check out
Speaker 7: the article on Dallas Cowboys dot com that I wrote
Speaker 7: based upon what Shody said about how he's policing and
Speaker 7: how he expects the Dallas Cowboys to act in practice.
Speaker 7: And for those of us that were present in real time,
Speaker 7: it was refreshing to see Schottenheimer's response, Oh, he.
Speaker 1: Got into it.
Speaker 7: If we got into it, there were f bombs flying
Speaker 7: all over the place, and then magically there were no
Speaker 7: other incidences thereafter in that particular practice. Of course, we
Speaker 7: had almost one yesterday. But then what do we see.
Speaker 7: Schottheimer runs in, He helps pull keem on on, haul
Speaker 7: off Keimon had he had it cocked back.
Speaker 1: What did Schattahammer say, don't do it.
Speaker 7: Don't do it because Schottenheimer is going to penalize these
Speaker 7: guys as it would be in the game. You're probably
Speaker 7: gonna miss some reps out here in practice, you might
Speaker 7: get a fine by the team out here in training camp.
Speaker 7: So ultimately to your point, Josh, like I said in
Speaker 7: the article, intensity plus control equals wins equal success. That's
Speaker 7: how you do it. You need to be the most
Speaker 7: intense you can be. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 7: you have to stand on that razor's edge effectively.
Speaker 6: And holding players accountable, I think is a huge part
Speaker 6: of it too. And holding the coach except responsble.
Speaker 1: What accountability word again?
Speaker 6: It keeps coming up.
Speaker 1: Coming up with Schoenheimer's culture. Okay, I like that. I
Speaker 1: like tasty, spicy.
Speaker 6: Another thing you guys can control, or are the players
Speaker 6: can control on the field, turnovers. Yes, that's been a
Speaker 6: big emphasis, at least for me watching practice over the
Speaker 6: past couple of days. You're seeing a lot of turnovers.
Speaker 6: You're seeing the defense making a lot of plays now,
Speaker 6: I guess outside looking at and when you hear about interceptions,
Speaker 6: I think at practice, especially a training camp, when you're
Speaker 6: instilling a brand new offense, those are it comes with
Speaker 6: the territory. You want those chances to be taken out
Speaker 6: here versus on Sunday against whoever.
Speaker 8: It is.
Speaker 6: My thing is fumbles, ball security. We're seeing quite a
Speaker 6: bit of that so far. First week of camp, first
Speaker 6: couple of days, instilling those things. Does that concern you
Speaker 6: at all about Shoddy's offense?
Speaker 9: Not necessarily, you know, I think the fumbles that we've seen, right,
Speaker 9: I think when you think about earlier in practice, these
Speaker 9: are way after the play is blown dead, right.
Speaker 8: These are training camp reps to where, hey, they.
Speaker 9: Want everybody to run through the finish, right, they want
Speaker 9: everybody to run through the finish. I mean, I think
Speaker 9: back to the one that Donovan Wilson knocked out.
Speaker 8: I don't remember who the.
Speaker 9: Receiver was, but he was twenty thirty yards down the
Speaker 9: field just thinking he was fine, and then Donovan Wilson
Speaker 9: comes in and punches the ball out. So there's a
Speaker 9: catch twing two, right, Because on one hand, when Matty
Speaker 9: Eberflus's defensives have been at their best, they're forcing turnovers.
Speaker 8: Their stop of the run.
Speaker 9: We talked about that extensively, and so when you see that,
Speaker 9: you know, Malik Hooker getting a one handed pick, Zion Childress,
Speaker 9: the undrafted free agent at of Kentucky getting a pick.
Speaker 9: Those are all things that you know encourage you. And
Speaker 9: those were two plays that and those guys just made
Speaker 9: it. It wasn't necessarily a bad I guess you could say
Speaker 9: it was bad passes from Dak.
Speaker 8: And Joe Milton could throw the picks. But those guys
Speaker 8: made a heck of a play so.
Speaker 6: Interception that today that.
Speaker 7: That's an example of it was not a bad pass.
Speaker 7: Malee Cooker just made the play.
Speaker 9: I think dak On the through it a little a
Speaker 9: little bit and it allowed him to make the less
Speaker 9: it was.
Speaker 8: It was a great play.
Speaker 7: And now will say there have been a bad pass
Speaker 7: or to the past the pick by Marshawn Knelan.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that wasn't.
Speaker 1: So it's a Thommy's point.
Speaker 7: It's a mix of Well, first of all, to answer
Speaker 7: your question, no, I'm not concerned with the offense because
Speaker 7: I believe the offense will get that cleaned up. Because
Speaker 7: we talk about Brian Schotenheimer taking over as head coach.
Speaker 7: Guess what, he's also taken over his offensive play caller.
Speaker 7: You have new pieces in play, whether it be George Pickens,
Speaker 7: whether it be you know, Tyler Gotton going in the
Speaker 7: year two, Tyler Bookie, Tyler Booker or rookie right guard.
Speaker 7: Four new faces in the running backs room. The list
Speaker 7: goes on and on. So they need time to kind
Speaker 7: of finish their installation in jail. From an ebra flu standpoint,
Speaker 7: that makes it easier for your guys to make plays
Speaker 7: on the ball, right, and when you're talking about punching
Speaker 7: the ball away, which is you know, just one example
Speaker 7: of that's not.
Speaker 1: Based on scheme. Right.
Speaker 7: So while the Cowboys offense is working on scheme and
Speaker 7: routes and timing and things like that, if you're a
Speaker 7: defensive player, one thing that's never going to be predicated
Speaker 7: upon what the scheme was, what the play call was,
Speaker 7: is if you're near me and that the ball is
Speaker 7: near me, I can punch at it. Okay, if you
Speaker 7: make the throw and I'm in the vicinity, I can
Speaker 7: go up and try to get the ball. So kudos
Speaker 7: to the defense. I mean, they're just taking the ball
Speaker 7: away time and time again. Alie Cooker kayer Elam. You
Speaker 7: mentioned Zon Childrens, Donavan Wilson's punching the ball free.
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are really getting.
Speaker 7: After the on defense and it's going to what Schottenhammer
Speaker 7: is predicting in that the Cowboys quote unquote will be
Speaker 7: one of the top teams in the league and take
Speaker 7: away So far so good. We'll see if it plays
Speaker 7: out in a very dan Quinnish way, but so far
Speaker 7: so good.
Speaker 6: Well, keep me honest, do the interceptions kind of give
Speaker 6: you guys any sort of like, are you fine as
Speaker 6: far as like them learning this new offensive scheme? Are
Speaker 6: you fine with seeing an interception or two? Or is
Speaker 6: it just like literally, I don't want to see it
Speaker 6: at all.
Speaker 1: I'm fine seeing it in training camp.
Speaker 6: It's training camp, and it's the first one to get
Speaker 6: it out the way.
Speaker 9: It's no training I thine like, I think that sometimes
Speaker 9: maybe we put too much stock into you know, Dak
Speaker 9: has two picks on the day, it's the guy's gonna
Speaker 9: throw interceptions. He's gonna throw interceptions in the regular season.
Speaker 9: Every quarterback does. It's gonna have And you know, this
Speaker 9: is a guy who's coming back from injury. He's still
Speaker 9: I don't know if he's knocking the rust off at
Speaker 9: this point because he was there for OTAs and things
Speaker 9: like that, but you know, he's getting used to a
Speaker 9: new receiver in George Pickens and trying to understand what
Speaker 9: Brian Schottenheimer wants. I don't know if if Dak necessarily
Speaker 9: going into year ten and he's had several years working
Speaker 9: with Brian Schottenheimer, if there's necessarily a lot that he
Speaker 9: has to pick up or a lot that he has
Speaker 9: to learn or a lot that he has to change
Speaker 9: at this point in his career. But nonetheless, it takes
Speaker 9: time to mesh everything together, and it takes time to
Speaker 9: get back up to training camp speed, because I think
Speaker 9: training camp speed is different than Ota speed. Ota is
Speaker 9: a lot of install and you know, getting these guys
Speaker 9: up to speed, and you know it's the guys around
Speaker 9: him too, George Pickens getting comfortable and these running backs
Speaker 9: getting comfortable to running backs tack Prescott's never played with,
Speaker 9: and right now they don't have pads on, so we
Speaker 9: can't really tell a lot from.
Speaker 8: The running backs. So no, it doesn't concern me at all.
Speaker 9: It's gonna happen, and it it's.
Speaker 8: Gonna happen again.
Speaker 9: Prescott's gonna throw more interceptions during training camp, but he's
Speaker 9: also gonna throw touchdowns. I mean, I thought the offense
Speaker 9: responded pretty well yesterday. After those first couple of picks.
Speaker 8: It looked rocky at first, but they made some good
Speaker 8: plays down the stretch.
Speaker 6: Well, wasn't it. After the Mollie Cooker interception. Immediately following
Speaker 6: that play was one of the best passes I'd seen
Speaker 6: all of camp, back to George Pickens in a corner
Speaker 6: route yeah, just insane man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, George.
Speaker 6: That and not to mention just the relationship that in
Speaker 6: chemistry the DACK is already building with George Pickens this
Speaker 6: early in training camp. I mean, that's like one of
Speaker 6: my favorite things to see is George Pickens out here
Speaker 6: because it looks like he's having a great time. I
Speaker 6: don't know what was going on in Pittsburgh, but it
Speaker 6: seems like he's very happy to be here.
Speaker 7: It bears mention in what you just said in that
Speaker 7: George Pickens. Again, don't know where the narrative came from
Speaker 7: out in Pittsburgh. I'm not in Pittsburgh, so I don't know.
Speaker 7: All I can do is based upon what I'm seeing,
Speaker 7: and George Pickens is having the.
Speaker 1: Time of his life's out here.
Speaker 7: And if you don't believe less, there are plenty of
Speaker 7: video that show him dancing and celebrating with cde Lamb.
Speaker 7: You know, the grenade celebration.
Speaker 6: Just that from us. Actually we typically do that after
Speaker 6: the show, and then they saw us doing it and they.
Speaker 7: Were like, oh, well then I got it from ronald'cunye.
Speaker 7: So but I mean, yeah, I got it from Ronald d'acunya.
Speaker 7: I I Thommas got it from Ronald mc but no, again,
Speaker 7: just to recap really quickly, I mean, this is an
Speaker 7: offense that not only are they looking to install a
Speaker 7: new scheme in Brian Schottenheimer, but Shotty keeps talking about
Speaker 7: multiple looks, multiple sets, right, so they're trying to install
Speaker 7: multiple things under center Shotgun. You saw Dak Prescott take
Speaker 7: off on a read option yesterday. So while they're doing
Speaker 7: all of this and trying to get time in and
Speaker 7: everything down, atdvantage defense because all you have to do
Speaker 7: is react to an offense that's.
Speaker 1: Still working out a lot of tweaks.
Speaker 7: So are there some you know, throws that Dak Prescott
Speaker 7: and Joe Milton and Will Greer want back through.
Speaker 1: The first two practices, Absolutely there are.
Speaker 7: There are some bad throws there, but then there are
Speaker 7: some throws that it was just an athletic place. So
Speaker 7: kudos to the defense. But again to your point, do
Speaker 7: I care about am I worried? Should I say, am
Speaker 7: I worried about interceptions and training camp?
Speaker 1: No? Because this is when you experiment.
Speaker 7: This is when you see what works, so that when
Speaker 7: you get to the regular season and it's September fourth
Speaker 7: and it's against the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: You know what to try and.
Speaker 7: What to not try, what don't don't, don't do that,
Speaker 7: but do that?
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Speaker 9: First, Well, defense is easy, Donovan is roku defense. Well,
Speaker 9: defense is pulled?
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Speaker 9: You did actually exactly what I was going for. No,
Speaker 9: the defense is easy, and Donovan is making it look
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Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: This is a guy who led the A, C, C
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Speaker 9: He won the word for the best college football defensive
Speaker 9: end last year, and he was just dominant at Boston College.
Speaker 9: And I think yesterday was the day, like it's his
Speaker 9: second practice was really good, but yesterday was a day
Speaker 9: where you know, when I was doing training camp a
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Speaker 9: the back of the end zone, I'm like, man, he
Speaker 9: is beating everybody. I mean, his first step is unbelievable.
Speaker 9: He's got great bend. The bend is something that we
Speaker 9: talked about all the time with him, where he can
Speaker 9: just blow past you and he can use his arms
Speaker 9: really well to just make the right move and beat
Speaker 9: the tackle. And you know, Tyler Guiden's a guy who
Speaker 9: has had some good reps, but man, Donovan is rock
Speaker 9: who had him beat bad a couple of times out there.
Speaker 9: And so you know, we've talked about a lot of
Speaker 9: the defensive end room, like this is one of the
Speaker 9: more deep rooms that the Cowboys have on.
Speaker 8: This roster deep. Indeed, there you go. If Donovan is
Speaker 8: a Rock turns out to be the second.
Speaker 9: Best defensive end on this team behind Michael Parsons, the
Speaker 9: Cowboys are going to be.
Speaker 8: Set there for years to come. Because I think this
Speaker 8: kid's the real deal.
Speaker 9: He's going to be a really good football player for
Speaker 9: a really long time, and he's just starting to show
Speaker 9: the flashes here early of what he can be.
Speaker 6: Patrick, before you give your defensive give me a little
Speaker 6: bit more about easy.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you meant you say that, because that's also.
Speaker 8: My I feel like that.
Speaker 9: I feel like there's guys who has had good days,
Speaker 9: but as a Rocket, the last two practices just blows.
Speaker 7: You'll be a consensus right now and everything Tommy said,
Speaker 7: and let me add to this, he's already and I
Speaker 7: tweeted this as a rookie, no exaggeration, no, how perfectly
Speaker 7: as a rookie coming into the league, he's easily one
Speaker 7: of easyly one of the best. Should yeah, one of
Speaker 7: the best technicians at his past rush that I've seen,
Speaker 7: and not just so rookie as a rookie, not just
Speaker 7: so technically sound in one or two moves. He has
Speaker 7: the array of pass rush moves and the ability in
Speaker 7: Schoenheimer said this to me yesterday or before when I
Speaker 7: asked him about easy He said, he has the ability
Speaker 7: to set the edge as well, which we're seeing as
Speaker 7: far as run defense on the edge goes.
Speaker 1: But when you talk.
Speaker 7: About for the dip the bend, the first step is
Speaker 7: absolutely insanity. His first step is instantly comparable to two
Speaker 7: players on this defense in this defensive end room, Michael
Speaker 7: Parsons and Sam Williams.
Speaker 6: Insane.
Speaker 7: And that is an insane compliment for a rookie who
Speaker 7: did not play at a huge program. But by the way,
Speaker 7: he's a record setter at his program in Boston College.
Speaker 1: You see everything you need to see from this guy
Speaker 1: and more.
Speaker 7: That not only justifies him being the second round pick,
Speaker 7: but you start to wonder why he fell out of
Speaker 7: the first round.
Speaker 6: But to that point, though, when you're choosing a defensive
Speaker 6: end one of the most important positions in our game,
Speaker 6: but when you're choosing one in the second round, you're
Speaker 6: typically drafting a guy that has a move maybe hey
Speaker 6: traits all the possibilities high ceilings. What this guy is
Speaker 6: showing you out here is that he looks like he
Speaker 6: has as sort of all of those things combined into
Speaker 6: one package. For a second round defensive end of his
Speaker 6: caliber to be picked that late in the second round,
Speaker 6: it's impressive.
Speaker 9: And you know, I'm gonna use the line from my
Speaker 9: good friend Vach Lombardi.
Speaker 8: Teams don't know how to draft.
Speaker 9: Teams don't know how to draft, and so you know,
Speaker 9: when we look back at this draft three years down
Speaker 9: the line or five years down the line or something,
Speaker 9: you're gonna look at guys ahead of down of Azeraku
Speaker 9: if he, you know, continue Obviously we don't know what
Speaker 9: kind of career he's gonna have, but I could very
Speaker 9: well see a scenario where it's like, how on earth
Speaker 9: did you think this guy was gonna be better than Azaraku?
Speaker 9: And you know, it just goes back to when I
Speaker 9: talked to Bill O'Brien about this kid earlier in the
Speaker 9: off season after the Cowboys drafted him.
Speaker 8: You know, there's he's a little bit undersized.
Speaker 9: You know, he's not necessarily the tallest guy at defensive end,
Speaker 9: he's not necessarily the stockiest guy, but he's just so
Speaker 9: technically sound. And that's what Bill O'Brien, who has seen
Speaker 9: some very good defensive ends in his day, namely a
Speaker 9: guy like JJ Watt.
Speaker 8: You know when he was with the Houston Texans.
Speaker 1: What he did.
Speaker 8: I think. So it's a bit hard.
Speaker 9: Or something, but you know, this is a guy who
Speaker 9: just finds a way to get him too the backfield.
Speaker 8: And it's a guy who's.
Speaker 9: You know, was he's the first person that Bill O'Brien
Speaker 9: that when he took the job at Boston College. This
Speaker 9: is a guy who loves football and he loves being
Speaker 9: a leader on his team. So it wouldn't shocked me
Speaker 9: at all if this guy is a centerpiece for the
Speaker 9: Cowboys defense going forward.
Speaker 7: And now I'll say this one final inclosing on Israeku
Speaker 7: is his ability coming in? And well, it's early. We'll
Speaker 7: see what his trajectory continues to look like, but my god,
Speaker 7: is he off to a fast start. But what it
Speaker 7: does is we're sitting here talking about a rookie after
Speaker 7: day two being the biggest defensive standout in a defensive endroom. Granted,
Speaker 7: Michael Parson is not on the field right now, but oh,
Speaker 7: by the way, Dante Fowler's out.
Speaker 6: There, and Dante Fowler's on a revenge tool.
Speaker 7: And Dante Fowler looks fantastic and we're still talking about
Speaker 7: Israelku a rookie, so Ezraku doing what he's doing, it's
Speaker 7: gonna push Dante Fowler even more so than Dante's already
Speaker 7: been pushed on his revenge tour. Coming off a career season,
Speaker 7: Sam Williams has more than enough motivation to get out
Speaker 7: there already, having missed all of last season with a
Speaker 7: toWin ACL talked to Sam yesterday and he said, with
Speaker 7: a smile, when it comes, when the pads get on,
Speaker 7: he was like, I'm going to try to kill somebody
Speaker 7: at least once.
Speaker 1: He was like, already has He said, I want everybody
Speaker 1: to be safe. This is his quote.
Speaker 7: He said, I want everybody to be safe, but at
Speaker 7: least once, I'm going to try to kill somebody.
Speaker 8: He killed Tyler Neville on the first day.
Speaker 7: So it's point bean when you see this level of
Speaker 7: ability within this defensive end room, including Azeraku, this level
Speaker 7: of competition where they're looking at each other saying anything
Speaker 7: you can do, I can do better, And let's not
Speaker 7: forget Marshawn Kneeling first camp interception. And he's also going
Speaker 7: to look the challenge as well, he's still my dark
Speaker 7: horse as far as breakout potential, breakout player in camp.
Speaker 7: This defensive end room, we talk about the concerns rightfully
Speaker 7: so about defensive tackle, defensive end.
Speaker 1: I have no concerns. He's very exciting.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm gonna change it up a little bit. Obviously
Speaker 6: easy is the standout on defense, and especially for a
Speaker 6: rookie at this point, I want to be a little different,
Speaker 6: and I want to look at one Marris Lea foul. Boys,
Speaker 6: he's flying out, He's flying, he looks lean, he looks
Speaker 6: so fast. From his interview now on Dallas cowys dot com,
Speaker 6: he was saying that the game is sort of slowing
Speaker 6: down for him. The way I've seen him diagnosing defenses
Speaker 6: so far is not typical in the way that you
Speaker 6: would see a second year player now learning a brand
Speaker 6: new defensive scheme. I'm surprised to see that sort of
Speaker 6: jump from him so far having to learn a new
Speaker 6: defensive scheme. So I really do want to give a
Speaker 6: quick shout out to Mary sleefoul. But what do you
Speaker 6: guys seeing on the field. You guys are definitely on
Speaker 6: there a lot more than I am, so I kind
Speaker 6: of want your emphasis on this.
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, marys Leefoul is a guy who, you know,
Speaker 9: towards the end of the year last year, got more
Speaker 9: opportunities and got to make the.
Speaker 8: Most of them.
Speaker 9: This is a guy who is better as a blitzer
Speaker 9: than I think people give him credit for.
Speaker 8: But a super smart player.
Speaker 9: He had all the smarts coming out of order day
Speaker 9: and he was a five year player I think at
Speaker 9: Notre Dame. So this is a guy who's played a
Speaker 9: lot of football, He's played at a high level.
Speaker 8: And who knows the game really well.
Speaker 9: And that's what this coaching staff has always been very
Speaker 9: complimentary about him with. And you know, he's got a
Speaker 9: coach in Matti Refluse that kind of has the mind
Speaker 9: as touch when he comes to linebackers, right, this guy
Speaker 9: has a very strong track record of producing high end linebackers.
Speaker 9: I mean, you just look back in Chicago Tremaine Edmonds,
Speaker 9: and of course I'm blanket on the other guy's name.
Speaker 9: I can literally see his number, but I beg your pardon.
Speaker 9: But this is a guy who knows linebackers, who knows
Speaker 9: the position really well, and he has a past history
Speaker 9: of making sure that these guys play well in his system.
Speaker 9: But also making sure these guys know the position really
Speaker 9: well and can be leaders on the defense. So whether
Speaker 9: that's Maris Leefou who in his rookie season was the
Speaker 9: backup green Dot to Eric Kendricks, which I think says
Speaker 9: a lot about his football acumen and his knowledge of
Speaker 9: the defense already. Obviously, transitioning to a new system may
Speaker 9: change things, but you know, this is a guy that
Speaker 9: the Cowboys are looking and hopefully continue to take the
Speaker 9: next steps and continue to get down so that he
Speaker 9: can get some more playing times.
Speaker 7: And to Tommy's point, as far as Meris being, you know,
Speaker 7: getting tutored and talked and coached by Matt Eberflus when
Speaker 7: Iberflus was here in his first stint with the Cowboys
Speaker 7: and his linebackers coach. Yeah, he had an insane talent
Speaker 7: in Sean Lee. Unfortunately, you know, fifty couldn't stay healthy. However,
Speaker 7: the talent was there. You saw what Sean Lee was
Speaker 7: able to do win healthy. But then he coached up
Speaker 7: guys like Anthony Hitchins to getting big free agency deals.
Speaker 1: Right being effective at what they were doing.
Speaker 7: So this is the type of coach that Meris is
Speaker 7: is combining his ability with and the ability is through
Speaker 7: the roof because even coming out of Notre Dame, what
Speaker 7: was one of the biggest positives for him, It was
Speaker 7: football acumen. It was his ability to rediagnose and absorb
Speaker 7: entire playbooks. And it's showing now because the game is
Speaker 7: slowing down for Merit and it looks like on several
Speaker 7: fronts during you know, a rep here or there, that
Speaker 7: he knows to play before the offense knows the play
Speaker 7: because he's there at the spot by the time the
Speaker 7: ball carry gets to the spot, whether it be a
Speaker 7: handoff of it be an outlet passed to the you know,
Speaker 7: left or right of center.
Speaker 1: So merist Is is poised, especially with.
Speaker 7: The absence of overshown for a large chunk of the season,
Speaker 7: maybe half the season. I don't know the way he
Speaker 7: was running yesterday. We'll we'll, we'll see. But a lot
Speaker 7: is going to be put upon Marris a foul. A
Speaker 7: lot was put upon him last year. And what did
Speaker 7: he do? He stepped up like Tommy sat and became
Speaker 7: the green dot behind Eric Hendrick go when Eric Kendricks
Speaker 7: went down. Sambourne is coming in with a particular role,
Speaker 7: is coming in with a particular set of skills.
Speaker 1: I like it, Liam Neeson.
Speaker 7: But really, going forward, the future of the Cowboys linebacker
Speaker 7: Corps has two names written all over it to Marrion
Speaker 7: Overshawn and I think Marist is gonna show as early
Speaker 7: as this season.
Speaker 1: Why that is, I.
Speaker 9: Think the entire I saw the entire Cowboys training staff
Speaker 9: collectively faint when.
Speaker 7: He claimed it was only seventy percent when I when
Speaker 7: I dropped the clip on Twitter and thanks for pointing
Speaker 7: it out to me telling me he responded, he said
Speaker 7: it was just seventy percent. And then kind of funny
Speaker 7: off the off the cove, Josh and I last night,
Speaker 7: we're getting ready to go and see Fantastic four and
Speaker 7: then who walks up to us with the biggest smile
Speaker 7: on his face? To Marvey on Overshow, and I said, Demo,
Speaker 7: was that really seventy percent? And he was like, oh,
Speaker 7: it probably was less. Yes, please, he's blazing out there.
Speaker 9: Yes, please take it easy, man.
Speaker 8: That's take it easy, buddy.
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Speaker 6: we're going to get to our offensive standout of camp
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Speaker 6: He's all right, all right boys? Uh final segment. Yeah,
Speaker 6: let's talk about offensive standouts now. I want to before
Speaker 6: you guys get into the the hot players, the the
Speaker 6: what the playmakers, the receivers taking the low hangar fruit,
Speaker 6: the touchdown getters out there, I need a quick shout
Speaker 6: out to a certain player that I think is carrying
Speaker 6: himself like a veteran while being the first round pick
Speaker 6: of the twenty twenty five NFL season, and that is
Speaker 6: one Tyler Booker.
Speaker 1: Yes, boys, what I've.
Speaker 6: Seen from Tyler Booker so far just said it. He
Speaker 6: carries himself like a veteran. I think he's the communication
Speaker 6: that he's had so far with the offensive line, not
Speaker 6: necessarily on the line of scrimmage, but in the huddle
Speaker 6: off to the side. Its genuinely feels like he's been
Speaker 6: here before. He's acting like he's been there before. And
Speaker 6: it's something that I think is going to impact a
Speaker 6: player like Tyler Goydon, who came in last year saying
Speaker 6: all the right things, but I think kind of halfway
Speaker 6: through lost his confidence a bit, just kind of get
Speaker 6: the mental game around it all. So far, granted, first week,
Speaker 6: Tyler Booker seems to have that confidence in spades, and
Speaker 6: I think a player like Tyler Gotton is going to
Speaker 6: feed off of that. And as long as the communication
Speaker 6: is there and as long as they're clanging and banging
Speaker 6: on the offensive line, you're going to continue to see
Speaker 6: confidence grow across the line and become whole. I'm really
Speaker 6: excited about it. What can you guys tell me about
Speaker 6: Tyler Booker so far?
Speaker 7: So far, he looks looks the part. I mean obviously
Speaker 7: physically looks the part. Like you said, He's carrying himself
Speaker 7: both on and off the field like a professional. He's
Speaker 7: he's holding up well against you know, guys like Solomon
Speaker 7: Thomas for example.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Solomon Thomas looks pretty damn good
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 7: There's a couple of plays where Tyler Smith handled him,
Speaker 7: because Tyler Smith is Tyler Smith.
Speaker 1: But there a couple of players.
Speaker 6: With twins, Solomon Thomas, a.
Speaker 1: Couple of twins.
Speaker 7: I see the resemblance exactly, mostly in the chiseled form.
Speaker 7: That's really where it boils down.
Speaker 6: I'm wearing a long sleep. You don't see these biceps.
Speaker 7: That's because you're trying to get them to focus on
Speaker 7: what we're saying and not detract from And I respect
Speaker 7: and I appreciate that. Let's share the camera with Tommy
Speaker 7: and I the podcast.
Speaker 9: There's a limit and these nice shirts from the old
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Speaker 7: But Tyler Booker, like you said, he's he's doing everything right.
Speaker 7: It is early in camp. I can't say that he's
Speaker 7: as a rookie standing out as as Raku is. But
Speaker 7: that's not a knock to Tyler Booker. That's simply more
Speaker 7: and more credit to Ezraku. And of course these are
Speaker 7: different positions as well, so you have to assess a
Speaker 7: defense on the offensive lineman differently than you assess an
Speaker 7: edge rusher. But I like what I'm saying from Tyler Booker.
Speaker 7: He's I will say this, he's not getting pushed around.
Speaker 7: He's not getting pushed around.
Speaker 8: Well, he's doing the pushing around.
Speaker 9: I think yesterday was the day where I I I
Speaker 9: saw the best rep we've seen from Tyler Booker. I mean,
Speaker 9: he he took Mazzie Smith and just completely moved came
Speaker 9: out of the way, and Cooper BB went up to
Speaker 9: the next level, took the linebacker route and Javonte Williams
Speaker 9: probably had the most running room in front of him
Speaker 9: that he has had since college. I mean, it was
Speaker 9: just the sea parted, and it was all because of
Speaker 9: what Booker did to Massie. And I'm not saying Mazzie
Speaker 9: Smith is you know, that's a whole different and he
Speaker 9: lost that rep. It's one rep.
Speaker 8: You know, he still needs to take the next step.
Speaker 9: But man, that was the play where you know, afterwards
Speaker 9: you see the how just how giant the hole was
Speaker 9: for the running back to run through, and you go
Speaker 9: back and say.
Speaker 8: Well, how did that happen?
Speaker 9: Tyler Booker, I mean just completely threw him out of
Speaker 9: the club and that was the best rep we've seen.
Speaker 9: But he's a road grader, right, That's what he was
Speaker 9: at Alabama. This is a guy who is going to
Speaker 9: pave the way. He moves really well. When you see
Speaker 9: him run onto the field, you know he's not the
Speaker 9: most athletic guy.
Speaker 8: It's not a problem.
Speaker 9: He is plenty athletic For a guy as size, you
Speaker 9: don't need a Gazelle playing right guard for him. He's
Speaker 9: a strong dude, and you saw it on that play
Speaker 9: because Mosei.
Speaker 8: Smith's not weak either. Like he's a strong guy and
Speaker 8: he's known for his strength. But that Rep Man Booker
Speaker 8: just tell it was unbelievable. And you know that's both.
Speaker 6: Sides of the ball. But I think we need to
Speaker 6: address the defensive side our next show.
Speaker 8: Right, Uh, did.
Speaker 7: You have any Yeah, I want to using what you
Speaker 7: said as a segue about Tyler Booker and thanks for
Speaker 7: the lau, I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Go to Tyler Goyton.
Speaker 7: There's some easily low hanging fruit that's justified. If I
Speaker 7: wanted to say George Pickens, for example, if I wanted
Speaker 7: to say Ceedee Lamb, I could say those two things
Speaker 7: and be.
Speaker 1: Very well justified in doing so.
Speaker 7: But I want to give credit to a young man
Speaker 7: who is taking strides that are much needed at Dak
Speaker 7: Prescott's blind side to hopefully keep that Prescott clean upright healthy.
Speaker 1: Is Tyler Goyton. What I'm seeing from Tyler Guyton in
Speaker 1: the offse is in the first.
Speaker 7: Two practices at least it's beginning to translate over onto
Speaker 7: the field. We already knew that Tyler Goyton had exceptional footwork,
Speaker 7: particularly stemming from his days as a basketball player.
Speaker 1: His footwork is just fairly exceptional.
Speaker 7: It was his hand work, it was some of his strength,
Speaker 7: it was his ability to move his mask right. There
Speaker 7: was a little bit too much unnecessary mass on his
Speaker 7: frame last year.
Speaker 1: So what does he do? He changes his diet.
Speaker 7: Completely cuts out fried foods, goes mostly protein. I mean,
Speaker 7: we see the guy working out in the rain doing
Speaker 7: boxing drills. He's working on his hands, that work that
Speaker 7: he's put in two hand placement, strength, ability to punch,
Speaker 7: ability to strike. He's doing a lot of work with
Speaker 7: none other than Tyron Smith. Okay, this offseason trying to
Speaker 7: figure out how to get some of those techniques and
Speaker 7: translate them, and you're seeing it.
Speaker 1: Does he win every rep?
Speaker 7: No, But I've seen him win multiple reps against Dante Fowler.
Speaker 7: Then we just say Dante was coming in hot, and
Speaker 7: yet Dante's not winning every rep against Tyler Gotton. I've
Speaker 7: seen him get Stonewall a couple of times by gutting.
Speaker 7: There was another one. Marshaw Kneeland just yes, Marshawn gave
Speaker 7: guy in a fantastic dip bend, but getting used that
Speaker 7: against him because guyton knew that it was an outside
Speaker 7: run and so all he did was used it to
Speaker 7: seal him off completely. And that was the play. I
Speaker 7: believe that Deuce Vaughan basically just took off run.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: So when you start to see Tyler got and take
Speaker 7: these strides and his confidence is definitely there, the motivation
Speaker 7: is there.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give the young man his due.
Speaker 7: We'll see ultimately if he can continue to stack good days.
Speaker 7: But thus far, he's stacking some really good days.
Speaker 6: The technique for Tyler Gouden has improved on a huge level,
Speaker 6: just seeing the way that he's like stoic as the
Speaker 6: defensive end is bending around him and then he's able
Speaker 6: to keep his back straight. They talked about it yesterday
Speaker 6: on the break very impressively. Check that out on Dallas
Speaker 6: Cowboys dot com Third Greek podcast under Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 7: But really quickly before you throw to Tommy, because we
Speaker 7: love our we love our commentest we do. I gotta
Speaker 7: say this call out says Tyler got and got destroyed yesterday.
Speaker 7: If you're talking about that rep from Ezra, anybody would
Speaker 7: have gotten destroyed.
Speaker 1: Did you see the get off.
Speaker 7: The getoff was so good it looked like it was
Speaker 7: off sides, but it wasn't off sides.
Speaker 1: Bottom line. Also, everyone's not.
Speaker 7: Going to win every rep, of course, So Tyler gotton
Speaker 7: lost that rep, just like Mazzie lost that rip when
Speaker 7: he got walked out of the club by Tyler Booker.
Speaker 1: It happens.
Speaker 7: So I agree with you he got smoked on that
Speaker 7: particular rep. But I'm telling you, as those of us
Speaker 7: are out here that are clocking his reps, he's winning
Speaker 7: far more often than he's losing.
Speaker 6: Call out, don't try and calls out, don't.
Speaker 1: Do it, no matter.
Speaker 7: Just to clarify, I appreciate the comment, but let me
Speaker 7: let me add context to that.
Speaker 9: Fair enough, fair enough, Yeah, offensive stand out for me
Speaker 9: is Jonathan Mingo.
Speaker 8: I thought he's had.
Speaker 9: I thought he's stacked up in some pretty good days
Speaker 9: here so far. You know, this is a guy who,
Speaker 9: you know, he's taking some first team reps, some second
Speaker 9: team rep. So I think it's good that he gets,
Speaker 9: you know, a little bit of connection with Joe Milton
Speaker 9: and Dak Prescott. You know, this is a guy who
Speaker 9: I think could really play himself into that wide receiver
Speaker 9: four wide receiver five range. I think, you know, when
Speaker 9: you look at behind George Pickens and Ceedee Lamb, you've
Speaker 9: got Cavante Turpin, Jonathan Mingo, and Jalen Tolbert as kind
Speaker 9: of the three names to watch there. You know, is
Speaker 9: unless you know a guy like Jalen Brooks or Ryan
Speaker 9: Flinoy starts to make a runner Jalen Cropper.
Speaker 8: So but Mingo.
Speaker 9: The last couple of days, you know, we've kind of
Speaker 9: joked about how man, if Mingo could have gotten a
Speaker 9: good pass last year, maybe he's maybe he gets a
Speaker 9: little bit better. I feel like every time they threw
Speaker 9: in the ball, it is like, man, people rush just
Speaker 9: threw it off the back of the defender's helmet, Like,
Speaker 9: how's this guy supposed to have a chance. So you're
Speaker 9: seeing some of the reasons why the Cowboys felt that
Speaker 9: Jonathan Mingo was good enough to trade a fourth round
Speaker 9: pick for.
Speaker 8: And obviously, the last time they.
Speaker 9: Traded a fourth round pick for a player before Mingo,
Speaker 9: it didn't work out the way they wanted it to.
Speaker 9: So is this a guy who can find his role
Speaker 9: on this team and maybe tap into some of the
Speaker 9: potential that we saw coming out of old miss because
Speaker 9: there was a lot of it.
Speaker 8: This guy's second round pick.
Speaker 9: He looked really good on film in college, and you
Speaker 9: saw some of the flashes and now you're starting to
Speaker 9: see some of them again.
Speaker 8: I think you know this is the one that threw.
Speaker 9: I think he and Joe Milton have really connected a
Speaker 9: couple of times to where you say, Okay, he's having
Speaker 9: he's having a solid camp. There was one throw where
Speaker 9: Milton kind of put it maybe a yard or two
Speaker 9: past him and he dove out just couldn't get there.
Speaker 8: I was I think it was more on Milton than
Speaker 8: it was on him.
Speaker 9: But Jonathan Mingo has been making more plays than not,
Speaker 9: and I think it's it's a promising start. And now
Speaker 9: we just see Canny start mixing in with the first team,
Speaker 9: and Canny start connecting with Dak Prescott and building that
Speaker 9: trust with Dak Prescott a little bit more to where
Speaker 9: they trust him to go with that unit too and
Speaker 9: make plays.
Speaker 6: It's interesting that I feel like we all picked really solid,
Speaker 6: obviously offensive standouts. There's one that I was just staying
Speaker 6: away from personally. I don't know if you guys got this,
Speaker 6: and like you also didn't want to choose the one
Speaker 6: that everyone else is gonna choose, so none of us
Speaker 6: choose him.
Speaker 1: George Pickens, that was the low hanging. It was a
Speaker 1: five fruit that I didn't want to pick.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to pick him either because because it's
Speaker 6: so easy to It's goodness, it's so easy. It's so
Speaker 6: fun watching him out here. The chemistry that alluded to
Speaker 6: it earlier. We just have a few minutes. Guys, what
Speaker 6: is it like seeing a wide receiver that can not
Speaker 6: only complement CD but is almost just as dangerous as
Speaker 6: CD lamb with the starting offense.
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, go dogs, let's let's start there, okay, right,
Speaker 7: So the fact that you know he's a product smart
Speaker 7: is no surprise to me.
Speaker 1: It's no surprise. It's sour product. He's a product of.
Speaker 7: The National Championship program out of Athens.
Speaker 1: So seeing him right now, so see.
Speaker 7: So seeing him translate. I even got the red and
Speaker 7: black on in honor of George Pickens. So seeing him
Speaker 7: translate that into onto the NFL field for the Dallas
Speaker 7: Cowboys in tandem with a cold setting all pro n
Speaker 7: cdee lamb. I called him the Terror Twins for a reason,
Speaker 7: and it's because I don't see how you can defend
Speaker 7: both of them when.
Speaker 1: It's so difficult to defend one of them.
Speaker 7: And then, by the way, there are other weapons that
Speaker 7: are going to step up, like Jake Ferguson is looking
Speaker 7: to have. Okay, you can relax, Texas, we're back, We're
Speaker 7: back to talking.
Speaker 8: I talked about Texas a lot. My goodness, you do
Speaker 8: you do?
Speaker 1: But hey, you know your your school is your school.
Speaker 6: No players are from the art institu seriously, man, or
Speaker 6: else I'd be talking about them seriously though.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 7: George Pickens, like we talked about at the top of
Speaker 7: the episodes, having the time of his life. He makes
Speaker 7: every catch look easy, even in the drills when he
Speaker 7: did the same round and he just caught it with
Speaker 7: one hand and just left it in that. This is
Speaker 7: that come on, come on guy, And that's what the
Speaker 7: Cowboys are getting with George Pickens. It's going to be
Speaker 7: a sight to behold.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Pickens gives you an extra dimension. And I don't
Speaker 9: think we've really seen what George Pickens is best at yet.
Speaker 8: Because he's the go up and get it guy.
Speaker 9: And I mean this part of training camp, they're not
Speaker 9: really throwing a lot of go up and get it passes.
Speaker 6: So well, yes, it was a go down and get it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it was at.
Speaker 9: His feet and Dak Prescott is putting it on the
Speaker 9: right spot on a quick outright. I think George Pickens
Speaker 9: is a lot better after the catch than we're giving
Speaker 9: him credit for it.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying he got I don't know if I'd.
Speaker 9: Go as far to say turbo boosters, but he's not
Speaker 9: saying he's turpid.
Speaker 1: He's not.
Speaker 9: He's not the fastest guy on the field, but he
Speaker 9: is more than advocate after the catch. And I think that,
Speaker 9: you know, if he can continue to build on that
Speaker 9: aspect of his game and and do that just because
Speaker 9: I mean, he's a freak show athlete, so you know
Speaker 9: he add that component into it.
Speaker 8: And you know, Dak Prescott's gonna have a lot of
Speaker 8: fun this year.
Speaker 9: I think with those two and I talked about it
Speaker 9: on the website when we did our twenty Questions series.
Speaker 9: You know, in terms of who makes the first their
Speaker 9: first Pro Bowl this year, I think it's George Pickens.
Speaker 9: I think he's gonna have that good of a year
Speaker 9: and the Cowboys offense to where he can go to
Speaker 9: Hawaii or wherever they're having that thing.
Speaker 7: Now, I agree, and keep in mind, George Pickens is
Speaker 7: now being moved around a lot more than he's ever
Speaker 7: been in his career.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna see him at multiple spots.
Speaker 7: You're gonna see him line up opposite ceed Lamb, You're
Speaker 7: gonna see him going motion to be on the same
Speaker 7: side of CD and vice versa. They're moving him around.
Speaker 7: They're gonna get him over the top for go and
Speaker 7: get it balls. But he's gonna work underneath as well
Speaker 7: with these quick slants and these quick hitters to get
Speaker 7: him in position to do yards after the catch against
Speaker 7: some of these slower linebackers. So George Pickens, I agree
Speaker 7: this this is setting up to be a Pro Bowl
Speaker 7: season for him.
Speaker 6: It's nice having options once. I mean, seriously, I'm sure
Speaker 6: Dak is gonna have it.
Speaker 1: You know how long it's been.
Speaker 9: I can't wait until finally Georgia at some point never
Speaker 9: gonna let him.
Speaker 6: Gotta go, We gotta go, all right, boys, thank you
Speaker 6: so much for tuning in. We appreciate you. That'll do
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