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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young mom to

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Speaker 1: The mommy's found murdered, the unborn baby is missing because

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Speaker 1: the baby has been surgically cut from mommy's stomach. It

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Speaker 1: sounds like a sci fi novel, a horror story, but

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Speaker 1: it's not. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: Serious Sex sim one eleven. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: Polis are investigating after a woman was found dead in

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Speaker 1: her home after her unborn child was removed from her

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Speaker 1: womb Friday morning. Belisa New Boston, which is about twenty

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Speaker 1: four miles west of Texas, Arcana, say they responded around

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Speaker 1: New Boston Police Department and Texas Rangers are investigating. Jess

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Speaker 1: Brooks makes a nine one one call to Texas Police

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Speaker 1: has just found her daughter, Reagan Simmons Hancock, lying face

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Speaker 1: left alone with her dying mother. You were just you

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Speaker 1: and our friends at CBS eleven in Dallas Fort Worth

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Speaker 1: and our friends at crime online dot com who jogged

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Speaker 1: We know she's three. What did she see and what

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Speaker 1: the murder of the victim, Reagan Simmons Hancock with me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know right now. First of all, to Jack's Miller, writer

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Speaker 1: with Oxygen dot Com, true crime author one book hell

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Speaker 1: In the Heartland murder, meth and the case of two

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Speaker 1: missing girls. Okay, with that said, Jack's Miller, I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: about Reagan Simmons Handcock. This takes place in New Boston, Texas.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about New Boston, Texas? Well,

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Speaker 1: New Boston's kind of like your typical Eastern Texas town.

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Speaker 1: There's Chili, there's rodeos, there's Jesus, it's it's everything. Whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 1: it up, Jimmy about New Boston, Texas. So it's just

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Speaker 1: talent Eastern Texas. It's about five thousand people, you know. Sorry, Jackson,

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Speaker 1: with rodeos and chili cookoffs and former markets. It's about

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Speaker 1: giving you a hard time. Cheryl McCollum joining me, forensics expert,

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Speaker 1: new Netflix showed Bleeding Empire. Hit me, Hey, Nancy, you

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Speaker 1: Southern Charlies. Well, if you have never been to a Charlie's,

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Speaker 1: you're missing the best yeast rolls ever made. So what

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Speaker 1: Texas State trooper pulls over a vehicle for speeding, finds

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Speaker 1: a woman, twenty nine year old Taylor Parker, giving CPR

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Speaker 1: to an infant. She says she just gave birth on

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Speaker 1: the side of the road, but the baby's not breathing.

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Speaker 1: The trooper could see the umbilical cord still connected to

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Speaker 1: the infant, coming out of Parker's pants. Okay, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking all this in rush her to the hospital,

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Speaker 1: where she refuses to be examined by doctors. Jack's Miller

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Speaker 1: joining me, investigative reporter with Oxygen dot Com and true

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Speaker 1: crime author, tell me about the treop we're pulling over

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Speaker 1: this woman. What do we know? So this happened in Dacalb, Texas.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's like you said, she was speeding.

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Speaker 1: And it was around that same time, like within minutes,

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Speaker 1: that the victim's mother had called policing. I just found

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Speaker 1: my daughter. She's dead. There's blood everywhere. And then this

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Speaker 1: is kind of happening simultaneously and pretty much Taylor has

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Speaker 1: the baby on her lap. She's like, my baby's not breathing.

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Speaker 1: I just gave birth on the side of the road.

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Speaker 1: And she went as far as to put the babies

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Speaker 1: or the mother's placenta down her pants. Okay, walk and stop,

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Speaker 1: repeat very slowly for us, Chili aiding, Oh Charlie, loving

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Speaker 1: much am, What did you just say about the placenta.

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Speaker 1: So when the state trooper found Taylor with the baby

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Speaker 1: on her lap, she says, I just gave birth. And

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Speaker 1: of course you know that Taylor had stuffed the mother's

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Speaker 1: placenta regan placenta down her trousers to keep up with appearances. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, believe it or not, doctor Michelde Free. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't know what a placenta is. Explain

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Speaker 1: the placenta is actually what nourishes and feeds the baby.

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Speaker 1: It's attached to the inside of the mother's uterus, and

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Speaker 1: of course attached by unbecal cord to the fetus, and

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Speaker 1: that's what delivers blood and everything, all the nourishment. What

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Speaker 1: does it look like. It looks like a disk, probably

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Speaker 1: about twelve or so inches in diameter. It's maybe an

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Speaker 1: inch er inch in a hastick, and it's sort of spongy,

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Speaker 1: and it's spongey because it's full of blood. This would

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Speaker 1: be very messy, very very very messy. Where is it

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Speaker 1: inside the womb? So inside the limit is inside the uterus,

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Speaker 1: and it is attached usually to the posterior wall of

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Speaker 1: the uterus itself, and the umbilical core connects to it

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Speaker 1: or through it, it connects to it. So one end

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Speaker 1: of the umbilical cord is connected to the baby, one

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Speaker 1: end of the umbilical cord is connected to the placenta,

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Speaker 1: and the placenta is attached on the other side to

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Speaker 1: the posterior wall of the uterus. Time Stories with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace and Jack's Miller from Ocean dot Com. You're telling

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Speaker 1: me basically, bloody blanket. The placenta is stuffed down Taylor

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Speaker 1: Parker's pants. That's correct. The feet trooper noted that the

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Speaker 1: umbilical cord was still in her trier's movement, of course,

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Speaker 1: that it would still be attached to the placenta, you know,

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Speaker 1: which would be natural if this was her child. You know,

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Speaker 1: you deliver baby, you deliver the placenta soon after. But

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Speaker 1: then they took her to the hospital via ambulance, and

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Speaker 1: she refused to have an examination. Dodgor Besani Marshall or

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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst Beverly Hills, don't tune up about insanity, don't because

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Speaker 1: this woman had the cunning to try to trick the

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Speaker 1: state traper by shoving the umbilical chord and the placenta

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Speaker 1: down her own pants. Another woman's child's a millical chord

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Speaker 1: and placenta to pull off her lie stuffed it down

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Speaker 1: her own pants. Nancy. He said, this what we see

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Speaker 1: in all criminals. They don't see in themselves what we

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Speaker 1: see in them. I mean, she's not psychiatrically, Hills, she's

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Speaker 1: not mentally ill, but she is really disturbed the fact

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Speaker 1: that she stuff the placenta into her pants. She's driving

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Speaker 1: to the hospital. She doesn't think that she'll be subjected

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Speaker 1: to an examination. She cuts the baby out of the

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Speaker 1: twenty one year old mother's body with a scalpel I believe,

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Speaker 1: or a nice some sort of instrument. She doesn't think

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Speaker 1: she's actually harming the baby, not only the physical harm,

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Speaker 1: but the psychological harm of that kind of a traumatic birth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the mother who really I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: I said mother, I mean a potential mother. This is

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Speaker 1: somebody who wants to be a mother so badly that

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Speaker 1: she has this tunneling effect that all she can think

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Speaker 1: of is getting access to the baby. But she's not

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Speaker 1: thinking about any other factor in terms of the medical aspect,

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Speaker 1: the biological aspects, the survival of the infant. Can you

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Speaker 1: imagine her being a mother in real wife? What a disaster. Actually,

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Speaker 1: she had children, Believe it or not. This woman had children.

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Speaker 1: She knows what it's like to be pregnant. So what more.

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad brought that up, Bethday, because this is

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Speaker 1: a whole another layer of subterfuge. And to me, it

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Speaker 1: makes her even more evil because she knows what the

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Speaker 1: victim was going through into pregnancy. She had children, So

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Speaker 1: why why this? Why another child? Does she need another

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Speaker 1: child so desperately? Why a baby? Why murder to get

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Speaker 1: a baby. Well, take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 1: k SLA attorneys said Parker committed the crimes not because

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Speaker 1: she wanted a baby, but because she did not want

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Speaker 1: to lose her boyfriend. Parker was not able to carry

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Speaker 1: a child because of a hysterectomy. Parker offered them a

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to be a Sarahgan mother. Parker ordered

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Speaker 1: from the Internet a suit which made her look pregnant,

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Speaker 1: faking that condition for nearly ten months, all the while

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Speaker 1: hunting for a victim. Okay, I try to let that,

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Speaker 1: so can let that percolate for a moment. She did

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Speaker 1: not want to lose her boyfriend, did not tell him

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Speaker 1: she had had a hysterect to me, offered friends one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to be a surrogate mother, and ordered

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Speaker 1: an internet pregnancy suit, all the while hunting for a victim. Well,

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Speaker 1: number one, I guess she's lost her boyfriend now. But

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, can you imagine a ten month search for

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Speaker 1: just the right pregnant victim, Nancy, I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: back to what I started a little while ago, and

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Speaker 1: that's this premeditation. This person had to lie about being pregnant.

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Speaker 1: So did she have a fake pregnancy test? Did she

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Speaker 1: make fake doctor's appointments? At what extent did she go

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Speaker 1: to again? Doctor Marshall mentioned social media? She took the

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Speaker 1: social media? Did she gain weight? The thing you just

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Speaker 1: played said that she had one of those fake baby momps. Oh,

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Speaker 1: there's so much more, Cheryl Jackson Miller joining me from

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Speaker 1: Austen dot com. Isn't it true? She is accused of

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Speaker 1: faking ultrasounds and even having a gender reveal party. It

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Speaker 1: was no. She went to such great length. She had

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Speaker 1: this this big gender reveal everything you just said, and

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Speaker 1: then beyond that, on the day that she went to

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Speaker 1: the hospital with with this baby, she had her boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: He was supposed to come because she said, oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be induced into labor. So he was going

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Speaker 1: to the hospital thinking that she was going to deliver

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Speaker 1: her baby. And can he add Danny knows she's been

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Speaker 1: pregnant for ten months. Well, you know, I guess, I

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Speaker 1: guess he had believed that. And on top of that,

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Speaker 1: she allegedly was going to she she had planned to

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Speaker 1: do this bomb threat at the hospital, and I guess

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Speaker 1: that was a way to kind of keep up, you know,

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Speaker 1: with with concealing this big secret, white white, white white.

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Speaker 1: What bomb threat? Yes, there was a bomb threat that

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Speaker 1: was just released. She was going to make a bomb

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Speaker 1: threat to keep this this big baby thing of secrets allegedly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at her, I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: her Facebook photo, she just she's gorgeous. She's just okay.

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Speaker 1: The evil that can lurk in the mind of a

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Speaker 1: human is amazing to me. Guys, take a listen. What

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Speaker 1: more we know about her plotting and scheming. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our cut fourteen our friends from Katie a l.

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Speaker 1: One friend testified about how Parker was obsessed with her pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: This afternoon. The prosecution showed numerous posts on Parker's Facebook

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Speaker 1: page where she claimed to be pregnant and shared a

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Speaker 1: picture and shared pictures of a baby bump and a

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Speaker 1: gender reveal party. The jury also saw evidence in her

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Speaker 1: testimony Sean Parker was Facebook friends went the victim. Aha,

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Speaker 1: there's a connection. Chela Parker became Facebook friends with the

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Speaker 1: pregnant mom Reagan Simmons, Hancock and more from Katie a

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Speaker 1: l Listen. Data from her device in Internet searches showed

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Speaker 1: she ordered a fake baby belly in a customized fake

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Speaker 1: ultrasound skin online and posted dozens of baby belly photos

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Speaker 1: and selfies. She starked ob clinics in East Texas and

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Speaker 1: Shreveport when investigator head she was looking for places where

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Speaker 1: she could find pregnant women and even looked up license

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Speaker 1: plates of patients coming out of clinics as her fake

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Speaker 1: due date grew closer. She also searched online for information

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Speaker 1: on private adoptions and out of hospital birth certificates. In

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Speaker 1: the days before the murder, she watched videos about how

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Speaker 1: to do a c section, examine a newborn, and search

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Speaker 1: for where Reagan Simmons lived and the hours before the murder,

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Speaker 1: cell phone data showed Parker used a spoof cell phone

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Speaker 1: number to contact Reagan Hancock Okay Deale Carson, high profile

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Speaker 1: lawyer out of Jacksonville and former FBI agent. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of evidence, deal, Carson, ooh, it is, and it

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Speaker 1: also demonstrates that they were active on the Internet. So

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Speaker 1: that means that the use of cell phone data, the

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Speaker 1: use of other mechanisms to establish where people were at

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Speaker 1: a certain time is going to be an immense value

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Speaker 1: to the investigation. As you're comment about boys not understanding

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Speaker 1: that ten months. I had a case years ago in

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Speaker 1: eighty seven involving a similar matter where a fellow was

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Speaker 1: both believed that his girlfriend, who actually did what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about here essentially, was in fact didn't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: boys don't calculate like women do when it comes to

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Speaker 1: those months. So you're just you really don't know and

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Speaker 1: you don't understand. So these men typically know nothing about

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Speaker 1: what's really going on, and typically they don't get charged

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Speaker 1: in these kinds of cases. How this guy, I didn't

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Speaker 1: notice that that was a fake pregnant seat bump on

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Speaker 1: Amazon Jump in Doctor Bethany really quickly. I treated a

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Speaker 1: lady who had what's called pseudosciasis, that means a false pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: She wanted once in my practice about ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: She wanted to be pregnant so desperately that her belly

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Speaker 1: actually began to grow. It's a thing. And she wasn't

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Speaker 1: in a relationship, she was single, but the desperation to

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Speaker 1: have a baby actually had a biological impact on her body. Sadly,

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Speaker 1: these cases, which you said earlier in the show, are

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Speaker 1: statistically rare, often follow a common pattern. You usually have

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Speaker 1: a woman who sometimes she has children, sometimes she doesn't,

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Speaker 1: who needs a love object, wants to hold on to

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Speaker 1: the love of a man. She imagines that if she

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Speaker 1: says she's going to have a baby, she'll have a

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Speaker 1: better chance of securing his love. So what we see

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Speaker 1: if there's a nine or ten or eleven months pattern

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Speaker 1: of getting fakes on a grams, going on the internet,

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Speaker 1: ordering baby, having the gender party, having baby showers, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, at the ninth months rot row,

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Speaker 1: they have to produce a baby, and they become extremely desperate, aggressive, ruthless,

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Speaker 1: and they'll do anything to procure a baby, even it's

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Speaker 1: like what we're covering today, you know, murdering and attacking

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Speaker 1: a prating a woman, stalking ob clinics in East Texas

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Speaker 1: and Shreveport, looking at license plates of patients coming out

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Speaker 1: of the clinics to jacksonmill are joining us from Oxygen

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Speaker 1: dot com. Jacks, where does the trial stand now? So

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Speaker 1: they have done their opening arguments. They say that the

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Speaker 1: trial is going to be lasting around a month. So

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Speaker 1: we are learning a lot of new details about the case,

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Speaker 1: and I think that there's plenty more to come. So

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Speaker 1: we'll just have to wait and see where this goes.

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Speaker 1: I guess we wait as justice unfolds in this double murder.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace com story, signing off GOODBYESD