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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Who's Aaron?

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Speaker 3: Yo? Dave? What is up? My man? Saren?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked me that. Did you know

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Speaker 3: that sharks are older than the Atlantic Ocean?

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Speaker 2: How could that be?

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Speaker 3: Now? That doesn't make any sense because there was oceans, right,

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Speaker 3: and Pangaea was a big super continent, and then when

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Speaker 3: the continent broke apart, sharks already existed. They existed before

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Speaker 3: there was an Atlantic Ocean. Oh, you want something that's crazier.

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Speaker 3: Sharks are older than the rings of Saturn? What? Yes,

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Speaker 3: you want to know something is even crazier. I would

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Speaker 3: be into it. Sharks are older than the are than

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Speaker 3: older than the North Star Polaris.

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Speaker 2: Sharks are really old?

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Speaker 3: Huh? Right exactly? I mean like I knew that they're

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Speaker 3: older than trees, but they're older than the North Star.

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Speaker 3: And I blew my mind when I heard someone reference that,

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Speaker 3: I was like, that can't be right. I looked it up.

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Speaker 3: It's totally right. And not only that, they're older than

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Speaker 3: the rings of Saturn too. I was like, when did

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Speaker 3: we get the rings of sad? What the hell? I thought?

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Speaker 3: That was like it kind of came with the planet. No,

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Speaker 2: That is ridiculous thereon, Yes, so there you go. That's

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Speaker 2: allah in that same vein. It's believed that dolphins had legs. Ridiculous, right, Yes, have.

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Speaker 3: I ever seen them in the in utero? Pigs dolphins

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Speaker 3: in humans almost look identical in the in in the womb.

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Speaker 3: So it can if you go like up to like

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Speaker 3: you know, I forget what month or you know what trimester,

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Speaker 3: or somewhere in the second trimester, but like around like

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Speaker 3: eight weeks, nine weeks, ten weeks, eleven weeks, well, like

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Speaker 3: you know, in the first trimester, totally identical, and then

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Speaker 3: somewhere in the second trimester they diverge enough you're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's a pig. That's not a person tall, that's a dolphin. Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 3: But they have hair, if they have fingernubs, the whole bit. Huh.

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Speaker 2: No. Wonder that those researchers in the seventies got so

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Speaker 2: into them that they decided to, you know, form a

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Speaker 2: relationship with a dolphin.

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Speaker 3: Yes, one of these ones that nature doesn't smile upon.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll give you that. Sharks being older than everything

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Speaker 2: is pretty ridiculous, right, But do you know what else

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Speaker 2: is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm here for it though.

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Speaker 2: Going from running the franchising operation of one of the

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Speaker 2: most iconic clothing brands of the eighties to rigging the

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Speaker 2: second biggest sporting event in the world.

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Speaker 3: Wait, what.

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Speaker 2: This is?

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and

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Speaker 2: cons It is always ninety nine percent murder free, and

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Speaker 2: it is always one hundred percent ridiculous. You damn right, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Do you notice anything different about me? You're not Elizabeth? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, like I got a haircut and I'm holding it.

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Speaker 3: Out typically about you? Yes, No, I mean yes, you're

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Speaker 3: white goose the haircut. Yeah, you look fantastic. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: not normal either.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So truth be told. Did want to draw your

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Speaker 2: attention to the fact that, in fact, I'm not Elizabeth Dutton.

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Speaker 2: But I did spend the last week doing all the

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Speaker 2: things I could find in body switching movies to try

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Speaker 2: to make this happen. See that glass box you're leaning against, Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's a Zultar machine WHOA had into headquarters.

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Speaker 3: That's not It didn't work.

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Speaker 2: I tried to get a fortune and chant at nothing.

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Speaker 2: So then like, I'm rummaging around my neighbor's trash and

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Speaker 2: I found this mysterious skull looking thing, you know, and

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Speaker 2: I put it on. I thought a lot about Judge Reinhold,

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Speaker 2: rest in power King, also unsuccessful. Didn't nothing happen, So finally, Aaron,

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Speaker 2: I was getting pretty frustrated. But I had one more idea.

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Speaker 3: All right, lay it on me.

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Speaker 2: I got a Don Knott's mask, which wasn't easy to

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Speaker 2: find I had not. Then I hit my head so

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Speaker 2: hard that I went into concussion protocol. Okay, and then

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Speaker 2: I jumped into a lake while chanting, I wish I wish,

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Speaker 2: I wish I were a fish. Now that didn't turn

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Speaker 2: me into Elizabeth. It did turn me into a limpet.

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Speaker 2: But that was no good. So I had to fight,

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Speaker 3: So being an animated fish, How long did that last

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Speaker 3: for you? It was heaven.

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Speaker 2: Nobody bothered me. I could read, I could smoke my

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Speaker 2: pipe under there. Oh it was so good. All right,

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Speaker 2: truth be told. Elizabeth got called away on a case

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Speaker 2: and asked me to put on her ceremonial purple wig.

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Speaker 2: Don her Wiener Straw and her crocks.

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Speaker 3: Perfect. You look amazing, Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: So if you and the rud dudes will indulge me,

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Speaker 2: here we go, all right, please. So we've gone through

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Speaker 2: a lot of criminal origin stories in the last year

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Speaker 2: and a half or so, wouldn't you say, oh, completely, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's our thing there and they are like, there are

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Speaker 2: lots of different patterns. You're probably thinking patterns, Dave, Yeah, patterns, Dave.

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Speaker 2: What kind of patterns have you noticed?

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Speaker 3: Great question?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like patterns of how our protagonists found

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Speaker 2: themselves as crime doers. Totally, at the risk of being

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Speaker 2: overly reductivist, I would love for us to catalog these

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Speaker 2: one day. It's just human, right, Like, our brains are

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Speaker 2: built for pattern matching.

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Speaker 3: Totally, and we do a lot of this work. We

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Speaker 3: could have do the groundwork of cataloging at.

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Speaker 2: All, exactly. It'd be a service to society.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now I won't go in too far to that today

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Speaker 2: and frankly, I'm lazy and I'm imprecise. I'm more of

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Speaker 2: a Pisces Sarin.

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Speaker 3: But you know yourself, which is the most important, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So, but here are a few like one. We've talked

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Speaker 2: about people who had rough upbringings and irresponsible parents who

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Speaker 2: taught them at an early age to do whatever they

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Speaker 2: can to survive, and they took that and ran with

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Speaker 2: it and they became.

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Speaker 3: Criminals, right, totally completely.

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Speaker 2: Second group, we've had people who get into a pickle,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's money trouble, and then some kind of illegal

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Speaker 2: of there. Yes, yes, often doesn't work if they're on

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Speaker 2: the show, right. And then there's another category. This is

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Speaker 2: people who try the straight life. They go to school,

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Speaker 2: they shake their heads in disgust. Not for me to this,

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Speaker 2: to that too boring, too much work. Yes, definitely, we

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Speaker 2: their entertainment value. I think you're like me, I really

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Speaker 2: maybe it's you know, maybe it's because it's so different

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Speaker 2: an adult, sure, I've had those kind of fantasies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the outlaw fantasy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you know, there's kind of a big piece of

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Speaker 2: this in like Chuck Polani's Fight Club, or at least

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Speaker 2: the movie version. Yeah, and yeah, totally even also in

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Speaker 3: It's it's there. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So the person I came to talk to you about.

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Speaker 2: His name is Flavio Briato.

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Speaker 3: Oh I like that name.

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Speaker 2: He belongs in that third number. He is now a mega,

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Speaker 2: mega rich playboy, but he didn't start out that way. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So let me talk you about Flavio. He was born

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Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty in a small town in Italy called Vertsuolo.

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Speaker 3: You know, okay, okay, so far in north Italy.

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Speaker 2: I had about four years of high school Italian and

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Speaker 2: So get used to a lot of obnoxious Italian pronunciations.

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Speaker 2: I love it, people, It'll make up for all my

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Speaker 2: terrible pronunciations. It's so much fun. So so Flavia's parents.

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Speaker 2: They were elementary school teachers. But he failed out of

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Speaker 2: He has said he just didn't care much about school

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Speaker 2: and even much later, he told interviewers that he had

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Speaker 2: Italian uh, non piace and no, no temple. So I

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Speaker 3: In his life. It's like al Michael's never eating a vegetable.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And as he says, from a very early

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Speaker 2: I can't help but love the way this guy talks,

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Speaker 2: and all the more so to the Italian air. But

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Speaker 3: Here's another quote.

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Speaker 2: If you were born in the middle of the Congo,

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Speaker 2: you will not say that you have been lucky. I

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Speaker 2: was not born in the Congo, but in those mountains.

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Speaker 2: As a child, I felt a certain malaise. I felt

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Speaker 2: from those labors, from those sacrifices. And you can hear

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Speaker 2: him saying like, not for me, No, thanks too hard,

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Speaker 2: He wanted lots and lots of money, not the poultry

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Speaker 2: rewards that come from hard.

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Speaker 3: Work and giving of yourself. Of course, zaren. Can you

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Speaker 3: feel him on this? Oh? I mean I'm relating deeply.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, man, I feel you. I also want

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Speaker 3: to roll down hill.

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Speaker 2: So he falls into a series of starter jobs. One

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Speaker 3: And this is this.

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Speaker 2: Weird dialect, so I'm probably gonna murder this one. It's

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Speaker 2: got an umlad in it. It's like tribu la tri

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're German and Italian meat.

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Speaker 2: In Alsatian or yeah yeah huh so. And I found

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Speaker 2: a couple of translations for it. Either someone who never

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Speaker 2: sits still and gets into everywhere, or someone who will

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Speaker 2: do whatever it takes to get what he wants.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, they's both fit for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that ends up being his nickname. That's what

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Speaker 2: like what he's known as early in life Tribula. The

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Speaker 2: and it folded. So next up, he got a job

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Speaker 2: as an insurance salesman and he actually, relatively speaking, made

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Speaker 3: Doing that as it an insurance salesman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, enough to buy his first car, which was

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Speaker 2: Mikela Sindona. He was a friend of ours, as they say, right,

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Speaker 2: That's right, Like do you want that? You want some

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Speaker 2: In another strange coincidence, in nineteen seventy nine, Flavio's boss

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Speaker 3: Now? Just a mystery?

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Speaker 2: Now, since Flavio had nothing to do with this. I

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Speaker 2: holding the bag Flavio briatore O Flavio, his fingertips are

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Speaker 2: And I'll say, you know, so this was his first

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Speaker 3: See, he's graduating pretty quick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, all right, I got my ski instructor badge. Done,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And Italy the ski instructor is like the American lifeguard.

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Speaker 3: And he's like, yo, how do I make this pay?

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Speaker 3: Then he finds himself attached all of this. My question

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Speaker 2: It keeps coming up. Let me tell you, it keeps

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I want to work register. So I want to go to.

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Speaker 2: Now in Milan, he crosses paths with a guy whose

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Speaker 2: name you may recognize, Ricardo lisportsak no no no, Luciano Benetton. Okay,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of history. Benett On the clothing brand

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Speaker 2: So, as of nineteen seventy nine, Benetton had opened five

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Speaker 3: Okay, he sees.

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Speaker 2: Flavio, He's like, I like the cut of your jib.

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Speaker 2: He makes Flavio the head of US operations enfranchising in

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Speaker 2: He also gets to his own criming. Flavio picks up

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Speaker 2: know that Flavio Briatori is one of the greatest poker

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Speaker 2: because it's not true. Ah, there we go, No, Zaren,

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Speaker 2: the kind of card playing Flavio Excel then involved lies

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Speaker 3: Ah okay, that kind of card billing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So his accomplices included number one, a real count

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Speaker 2: That's where the marks come from. Okay, good, a fake

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Speaker 2: He made sure the events were very opulent, lots of waiters, rolls, Royce's, beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Women, et cetera. Totally.

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Speaker 2: So here's how it went down. The team of heavy

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Speaker 2: there's a marquee, there's like a TV journalist I recognize,

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Speaker 3: I imagine if you're really rich in Italian at this point,

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Speaker 3: Berlisconi bunk Go bungo party. Wher, It's like, oh, at

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Speaker 2: So uh so Briatore would play a famous record producer

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Speaker 2: So then you know, at some point in the middle

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Speaker 2: how about a game of cards? And of course everyone

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, oh I love that. I love cards.

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Speaker 2: Uh and if and if, the if the mark didn't

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Speaker 2: like come on, what kind of a you know, anti

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Speaker 3: That they used to distribute the cards. Yeah, the shoe, okay,

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Speaker 2: It's called like a sabot or a sabo Okay, okay, yes,

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Speaker 2: that told them what card was.

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Speaker 3: What. Oh wow, if you wore glasses it would you

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Speaker 3: be able to see something on the back of the card?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe like bumps on the card Okay okay.

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Speaker 2: And then plus they wouldn't have the same person just

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Speaker 2: they would have different people win and at the end,

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Speaker 3: Nice, So multiple shills sitting at the table with the mark.

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Speaker 2: it's exactly what it's called. And it's very Italian.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 2: So they're so good at this that sometimes marks would

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine they.

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Speaker 2: Want to get their money, give me another shout of

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Speaker 2: my cash. Eventually they get caught, they get brought to trial,

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Speaker 2: they get convicted. This is all going on between say,

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Speaker 2: like nineteen eighty four and nineteen eighty seven. Briatore gets

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Speaker 2: four point five years in prison between twenty charges relating

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Speaker 2: I'm twenty charges, but those get knocked down to fourteen

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Speaker 3: Okay, a little better.

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00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,760
Speaker 2: So he's facing over a year of jail time, and

436
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,679
Speaker 2: he's not a guy who believes in things like putting

437
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:11,720
Speaker 2: in work or doing time.

438
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,879
Speaker 3: So what do you think he did, Saren? I'm guessing

439
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:14,760
Speaker 3: he goes on the run.

440
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,720
Speaker 2: You are correct, Yeah, I love this, hops on a

441
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 2: plane and heads to the Virgin Islands. Lovely Saint Thomas.

442
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 3: Oh, very loose extradiction treaties. Yes, good call.

443
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,960
Speaker 2: So let's let a series of ads be our invisible

444
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 2: plane as we join him on a spiritual journey of

445
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 2: our own. Right, we'll see in two and two, Zaren,

446
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 2: take the cucumber slices out of your eyes. Put down

447
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:56,400
Speaker 2: a coconut.

448
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 3: Sorry, I was just trying to rest for a second.

449
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,119
Speaker 3: I didn't realize I was fast. Two and two, you

450
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,159
Speaker 3: said to and too, I should have cast look alive.

451
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,239
Speaker 3: We're back. Yeah, it's okay, I'm ready. Okay, let's do this.

452
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,919
Speaker 2: So where were we? Flavio Briatore, head of a Bunco

453
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 2: crew and a recognized business fraud specialist, was sentenced to

454
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 2: fourteen months in prison, and instead of surrendering to the state,

455
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 2: he had high tailed it for the beach.

456
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he's on the run to Virgin Islands US

457
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 3: Virgin Islands?

458
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like can he just do that?

459
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 3: Like?

460
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 2: Can anyone just do that? How do you think this

461
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 2: all shook out?

462
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 3: It depends on how much money he has as like,

463
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: you know, get free money. He's going to need to

464
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 3: bribe a lot of people. And then he's also going

465
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 3: to need to not have so much on him that

466
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 3: he looks like somebody just to hit and kill. You know,

467
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 3: He's got to be on that real sweet spot of

468
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 3: having just the right amount of money. Yeah.

469
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 2: So looking at the history of books, it seems easier

470
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 2: than that. Like it turns out, yeah, yeah, he can

471
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 2: do all this total. Eventually he's granted amnesty and allowed

472
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Speaker 2: to return to Europe as a freeman.

473
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 3: Oh, he had plenty of get free money then.

474
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 2: And eventually. Eventually, as of twenty ten, he was cleared

475
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 2: of any residual responsibility or is the court's in turns,

476
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 2: he was ordered rehabilitated, resulting in the extinction of quote

477
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 2: of any criminal effect of the conviction. Oh wow, he

478
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 2: has like fu money then that is Scott free. Scott free.

479
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 3: Yes wow.

480
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 2: But he wasn't sitting idly on a beach in Saint Thomas.

481
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 2: Well maybe he was, but his money, Zarin, his money

482
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 2: was working hard on his behalf.

483
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: What was his money doing, David.

484
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: You see, by nineteen eighty nine, there were eight hundred

485
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: Benetton franchise stores in the US, and as they had

486
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 2: a US franchising mister Flavio Briatorio owned a piece of every.

487
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Speaker 3: One of them. Oh my god.

488
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 2: So at this point he's as good as made thanks

489
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: to his old pal Lucciano Benetton. And now he's swimming

490
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: in cash.

491
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my god, dude, he's almost I had to

492
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 3: be a billionaire. By then.

493
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 2: There were so many Benetton stores in the US that

494
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Speaker 2: the franchisees started to complain about the competition from other

495
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: Benetton stores. I bet, I bet that around that heavy saturation,

496
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: I remembered the eighties. Yeah, it's like all the Starbucks

497
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 2: jokes about like Starbucks opens the Starbucks in the in

498
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 2: the restroom of a Starbucks.

499
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: Yes, totally. And the other thing.

500
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 2: That's going on around that time is the health of

501
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 2: the brand and the business actually took a dive, so

502
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 2: like by the end of the eighties, nobody had really

503
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: was really into Benetton anymore.

504
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, they watered down the brand and they had to

505
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 3: rely on that cool like look at all the multicultural

506
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: people we can put into an ad campaign. That's what

507
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 3: they are all they were known for.

508
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is also kind of interesting, like it's the

509
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 2: first like really brand that decides they're going to do

510
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 2: what you now call is like woke, but it's really

511
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 2: like the first multicultural brand for the US that's not

512
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 2: US centric totally.

513
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 3: The United Colors of Benetton was actually really important moment

514
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 3: in like if you want to talk about like the

515
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 3: progress of diversity and the inclusion of lots of different

516
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 3: ideas of what beauty is all of a sudden, that

517
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 3: was the first time it wasn't just like you know

518
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 3: this the nineteen seventies and early eighties type of like

519
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 3: feathered hair white blonde models.

520
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 2: And it's like helping to lead American teens out of

521
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: thinking that like it's all about us.

522
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: America is the best.

523
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 2: It was like totally, oh no, there are other great

524
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: places too, and other great people all over the world.

525
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 3: Totally we became a more international minded people thanks to

526
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 3: Benetton no.

527
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: Lie so so yeah, so we got that Flavio had

528
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: what he wanted. He was loaded, and he's looking for

529
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: his next opportunity.

530
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 3: Oh wait, everyone else is doing the work for him. Yeah.

531
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: So in nineteen eighty nine, when you know he's now

532
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 2: eight hundred franchise stores strong, Luciano Bennettson says like, hey,

533
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 2: you did great with that. Why don't you be the

534
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 2: head of merchandising for our Formula one team? Who shortly

535
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: thereafter he's made team principle.

536
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 3: So I knew he had Formula one energy. He totally

537
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: has Formula one energy.

538
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, so like he goes from like I'm designing

539
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 2: and selling the hats to running the entire freaking team.

540
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: So to be clear, this is a guy who knew

541
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing about cars and racing and the technology under

542
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 2: the hood and war that proudly and he's now in

543
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: charge of a very expensive team in one of the

544
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: biggest sports in the world.

545
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: Wow, this is why it's like crazy, Like do you

546
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 3: have like rich people, they make some of the dumbest decisions.

547
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: Like I was just seeing something recently about the money

548
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: that was spent in the u K on COVID tracking,

549
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 3: and it went through like this list of peeriods. It

550
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this person who ran this racehorse company.

551
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: It was nobody who was there were no one was qualified.

552
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 3: It was just who did you know? And then they

553
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: were like, why don't you run this thing that's super important?

554
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: I just yeah, just like money flowing out of taps. Yeah,

555
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: it's like to me, it's like if Ted Lasso was

556
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: an extremely cool, extremely rich Italian guy with great hair

557
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: and no folks at homespun wisdom and believes in making

558
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: money the easy way, not through hard work and perseverance,

559
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: and a guy who dated Heidi Klum, had kids with her,

560
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: dated Naomi Campbell and married supermodels, then it would be like.

561
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: Ted Lasso, Okay, there you go.

562
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: Well now let me stop here, please, is there what

563
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: do you know about Formula one? Are you into it

564
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: or do you know anyone who's really into it?

565
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 3: I used to be really into it, like there was

566
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: I'm big into open wheel racing, and I liked it

567
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 3: a lot. But then somewhere, like you know, as I

568
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: became an adult, like I just didn't have the time

569
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 3: to follow it so like devotedly, and then I kind

570
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: of fell away. And so it's much like hockey for

571
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: me now, where I have a strong feeling about the sport,

572
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: but I could I probably don't know any of the

573
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: best racers already of the best hockey players. But if

574
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 3: you sit me down and have me watch a race

575
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 3: or watch a hockey game, I'm gonna be fully into

576
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 3: it and want to know who's doing what.

577
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, who's that guy? Because so I

578
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: still love the sport, but I've checked out for a while.

579
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: So is it I did a little research because I

580
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: don't know anything about Formula one? Is it like what

581
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: what draws you to it? Is it like the strategy

582
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: and the storylines?

583
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: Well, it's the opposite of Nascar for me in a

584
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: lot of ways. Nascar there's a lot of like strategy

585
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 3: about position and like speed on turns and coming out

586
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 3: of turns, whereas Formula One it's I find much more

587
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: of a dance between the drivers. I mean NASCAR is

588
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: that too, don't get me wrong, And I maybe that's

589
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: not the best comparison, but it is like much more

590
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 3: akin to flying and air races for me, where it's

591
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 3: it's like you're moving through space through and not just

592
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: like on the track, but you know your float as well,

593
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: like so coming over a rise or whatever. So you're

594
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: moving in like a ford of my race. So you

595
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 3: have time, you have space, and you're doing all this.

596
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: So these guys are managing all this stuff. But then

597
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 3: also it's they're so fast. It's the gutsiness of it.

598
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: I love that these guys. I mean they're making decisions

599
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: that it'll take hundreds of feet but before they could

600
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: like see the result of that decisions, or they're having

601
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: to anticipate hundreds of feet ahead of them, you know,

602
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: Like that's amazing to me. So imagine being imagine doing

603
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: something that is split second timing, but the split second

604
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: is over hundreds of feet or we are with thousands

605
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: of feet in some instances. So that's thank you. Yeah,

606
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 3: now that's beautiful, Like I totally get it now.

607
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: So just for the for the rud dudes, Uh, let

608
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 2: me give you a few stats just to give you

609
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: a sense of just how popular Formula one is around

610
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: the world. Take like, the last season of Game of

611
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: Thrones averaged forty four million people watching every episode. Okay,

612
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three Super Bowl was watched by fifty

613
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: six million people globally. The cumulative TV audience for the

614
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two Formula one season was one point five

615
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: to four billion, and the average viewership for each race

616
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: was seventy million.

617
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's huge. It's the biggest sport in the world.

618
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: There's a reason for that. It's the most impressive in

619
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: terms of like what people think about sports with winning

620
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 3: and tradition and stories and brave performances. But then you

621
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: add in all the engineering, and then you add in

622
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: all the technical innovations. Then you add in just the

623
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: like the fact you can die so easily. I mean,

624
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 3: like you're not dying on a baseball field. Usually you're

625
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: not dying on a like on a football field. It's

626
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 3: like these guys can die every race.

627
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: So back to Flavio, right, he's now head of the team. Benetton,

628
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: he had some successes early on. He is the one

629
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: who brought in a driver whose name you might recognize,

630
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: Michael Schumacher.

631
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god, one of the greatest ever other than

632
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: like Orienton Senna.

633
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: So he brings him in a nine to ninety one

634
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: for someone who doesn't know Formula one. Can you compare

635
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: Schumacher's rep to another athlete, like maybe the intimidator Dale Earnhardt.

636
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, for racing in tim day to day Larnard, it's

637
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 3: a good one. For the competitiveness, like the steeliness of Jordan.

638
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 3: I mean, we're just that single minded. I'm gonna beat

639
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: you and I'm gonna like it. So, yeah, this is

640
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: Flavio's guy. Schumacher won a bunch of races and two drivers'

641
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: championships under Flavio in the early nineties. Nice and as

642
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: much as it brought Laurels, this also brought some scrutiny

643
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: to the Benetton team, because remember, this is a sport

644
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: that's all about fiddling with really small things to get

645
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: as many advantages as you can. Totally.

646
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: In this case, there was suspicion that Benetton was messing

647
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: with the fuel tank filters. Oh so, in nineteen ninety four,

648
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: the Benetton team was caught removing what's called the anti

649
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: fire filter. This is a filter that prevents the engine

650
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: from catching fire, from getting too much fuel at once.

651
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: And as you can imagine, getting rid of that there filter,

652
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: now you just got yourself a much faster fuel feed,

653
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: which means a faster car. Soeverybody you wanted to do

654
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: it totally. How did the Formula one officials know something

655
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: was up? Well, during a pit stop, a Benetton car

656
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: caught fire. That was a pretty strong clue. And this

657
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: is an outrage. Are they going to get away with this?

658
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: How are they going to get away with this? So

659
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: at the hearing, Flavio Briatore employed what we in the

660
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: litigation business call the Cranberry's defense.

661
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: Ooh, what is the Cranberry's defense?

662
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: The pop group of the Cranberries came out with an

663
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: album in nineteen ninety three titled Everybody else is doing it,

664
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: So why can't we?

665
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: Yes?

666
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: Flavio b claimed that the entire field had also removed

667
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: their anti fire filters, and also he threw in for

668
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: good measure that it's really the fault of the fuel

669
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: tank manufacturer. I don't know if that was like a

670
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: forbidden fruit thing or what, but that was enough. That

671
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: was enough for the Formula one organization to find Flaviu

672
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: and the Benenton team guilty, but with no punishment levied

673
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: at all. Hum which starts to be kind of a

674
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: pattern for Flavio. I'm noticing that same year Benenton was

675
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: also found guilty of hiding an illegal traction control system

676
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: in one of their cars, and he admitted it existed

677
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: when they asked for the specs. This is like the

678
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: governing board of the Formula one. They asked them for

679
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: the specs and he said, eh, I asked them any

680
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: for it, but they said it was proprietary, so they

681
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't given.

682
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: It to me. Can't blame me, you know what. Yeah.

683
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: Ultimately, again he's found guilty, but he's not punished. So

684
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety six he loses his golden his goose

685
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: with the golden egg. Schumacher leaves Benetton for Ferrari, and

686
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: shortly thereafter, in ninety seven, Flavio's fired from the Benetton

687
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: racing team. They're like, you're not producing anymore.

688
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you lose Shomacher. And when he went to Ferrari,

689
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 3: he becomes known as for this Ferrari. Most people ask

690
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: him who does shoemaker drive for It's gonna be Ferrari.

691
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: So you lost not only a golden goose, but the

692
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: legacy and everything.

693
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: So but that was just the beginnings thereon of the deep,

694
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: flaming crater like impact he would have on the sport.

695
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, I'll let me give you a quote

696
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: to give you a little sense please, oh pining. After

697
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 2: the next stretch of Flavio's Formula one career, which we're

698
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: going to talk about now, Richard Williams and The Guardian wrote, quote,

699
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: Formula one had never seen anything like Flavio Briatore, with

700
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: his almost buffoonishly exaggerated version of the typical Italian player

701
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: boys bella figura and his self proclaimed total ignorance of

702
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: anything to do with the history of the workings of

703
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: Grand Prix racing. He could hardly have presented more of

704
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: a contrast with the unglamorous collection of enthusiasts, many of

705
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: them former drivers or engineers, who ran the sport and

706
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: its teams before his arrival in their midst twenty years ago. Now,

707
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: Flavio stuck around after being fired from Benetton, working for Renault,

708
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: heading up the group that supplied engines for other teams.

709
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? That's right?

710
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: He also managed some drivers individually who are so drawn

711
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: to his cult of personality that they're like, oh yeah,

712
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: make me Michael Schumacher.

713
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: Sure.

714
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: Now, in a stroke of luck, Renault bought the Benetton

715
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: team in two thousand and installed ourman Flavio back at

716
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: the lead.

717
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: Again, are you kidding me? That's right? Now? The Rnau

718
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: family's insane? What the hell? Okay, fine, go on, there's

719
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: one more minor bump in the road. Sure.

720
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: Flavio got caught up in a scandal called Spygate in

721
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. This related to Renault under Flavio,

722
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: getting information about a rival driver car illegally. Now, if

723
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: you've been paying attention at all over the last eight hours,

724
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: I mean thirty minutes or so, you know what comes next? Right?

725
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: Oh?

726
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: Yes, to be fair, he was only tangentially involved with

727
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: this one. But yes he was found culpable but not punished.

728
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: It's good to be rich, seriously, it's the best way

729
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: to be Okay.

730
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: So, now we're in two thousand and eight, heading into

731
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: the Singapore Grand Prix, Team Flavio has hit a dry spell.

732
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: They haven't won a race in two years. Renault is

733
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: so down on the whole thing they are thinking about

734
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 2: pulling out a Formula one.

735
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: Oh damn.

736
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: Imagine the feels from Flavio. Right, I'm a winner. I

737
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: am only about winning. To quote the great philosopher poet

738
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: Louis Mario Freeze, I ain't going out like that. I

739
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: ain't going out like that. Yes, it's be real gow now, Zaren,

740
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: let me see if I can put all of this

741
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: in front of you. You're a very rich, very famous

742
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: clothing magnate with supermodels on your arm at all times.

743
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: Ah.

744
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: Yes, you've been found guilty and multiple criminal and civil

745
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: courts and private organizations, but you've never really been punished. Ah. Yes,

746
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: you've been caught bending the rules so hard they crumble

747
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: in your manicured hands on more than two occasions.

748
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: Like I said, it's the best life.

749
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: And now the team you run may close up shop

750
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: if you don't win soon.

751
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: But what are you gonna do?

752
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Do you pick up what

753
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: I'm putting down here?

754
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I think I'm gonna run. That's my guess.

755
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: Okay, well wait, Zaren. Beeboo baboo beep, pick up the phone.

756
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: Oh hello, Hello, hey Saren, is this a good time?

757
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: Actually I'm recording for right now, but go on, okay, great,

758
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: close your eyes. I want you to picture it.

759
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I's closed.

760
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: It's the day before the Singapore Grand Prix. Your name

761
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: is Giuseppe your Landese Irish Joe from Naples. Knapple it on,

762
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: Giuseppe your Lundas. You are a master mechanic who recently

763
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: transferred from a high paying desk job at Renault Corp.

764
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: To work with the Formula one team. This is the

765
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: thrill of a lifetime for you. Your mechanic skills are

766
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: a bit rusty, won't want as you've been more of

767
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 2: a spreadsheet jockey for the last eight years. You can't

768
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: wait to be baptized by Formula one engine grease. Your

769
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: coveralls are pristine. Your wife brought you a brand new

770
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: set of tools, and your mom, who you and your

771
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: wife and your two children still live with, pack you

772
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: a lunch with a special slice of pantone the good kinds,

773
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: wrapped up with a boat night. You see, Saron, you're

774
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: what the Italians call a mammone, a mama's boy.

775
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: What was it?

776
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: It sounds better than Italian you're looking forward to your

777
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: afternoon break when you can go home, hug your wife

778
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: and kids, kiss your mom on the forehead, then quickly

779
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: pay a visit to your mistress before heading back to work. Zaren,

780
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: you have an engine deconstructed on a table in front

781
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: of you. You're lazily fitting various pieces together, trying to

782
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: look busy. There's no food or drink alow in the

783
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: engine staging area, but you take the occasional surreptitious swig

784
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: from an Erlin flask filled with barolo that you've hidden

785
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: under the shelf under the table.

786
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: Yes, smote the moon.

787
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 2: There's a large plate glass window separating the executive offices

788
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: from the shop floor. Sometimes they have the blinds drawn,

789
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: but today they're open. You can't hear anything but muffled sounds,

790
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 2: but you can see everything going on in there. Your hero,

791
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: Flavio Briatore has been in there all morning, sipping espresso,

792
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: chainsmoking unfiltered lucky strikes, and flipping through the Gazzetta Dello Sports,

793
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: the pink newspaper. You see Renault chief engineer Pat Simons,

794
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: dressed in his gleaming white coveralls with his name embroidered

795
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 2: about the pocket.

796
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 3: It's like a chef's coat.

797
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: He opens the door to the executive office and takes

798
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: a seat on the stylish yellow leather sofa in front

799
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: of Flavio pat Simon's hands are holding his hair back

800
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: as he leans over, avoiding eye contact, and he has

801
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: a pained expression, sort of a grimace on his face.

802
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: Flavio looks completely calm as he puts the pink newspaper down.

803
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: It almost looks like he has a smile forming out

804
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: of the corners of his mouth. You see him pick

805
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: up a landscape sheet of paper. Maybe it's a root map.

806
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: It's hard to out. Simons doesn't look up. You see

807
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: Flavio clap once, and this startles Simons. He snaps to attention.

808
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: Now he's looking at the sheet of paper.

809
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: Two.

810
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: Flavio points with his dangling cigarette to one spot. Simons

811
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: shakes his head no. He raises his eyebrows and points

812
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: to another place. Simons holds up his hands palms to

813
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: the sky in the classic expression we Americans understand as

814
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: meh or maybe, but to Italians this means boh. Flavio

815
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: claps again, this time it's an excited clap. But wait,

816
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: Flavio is looking around self consciously, he shoots a glance

817
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: in your direction.

818
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: You're worried.

819
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: Did he notice you staring at them all this time?

820
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: You swallow hard and quickly avert your eyes, reaching for

821
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: a ratchet and going to work on any engine bolt

822
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: you can find, as if it's the most important fault

823
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: in the world. Now to your right, you see one

824
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: of the team's superstar drivers, Nelson P. K Junior, stride

825
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: by you and head for the executive office. In his

826
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: eyes you see fear and anxiety. You can't help but

827
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: let your eyes wander back to the big plate glass window.

828
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: But as the driver reaches the door of the nation

829
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: blinds draw.

830
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: Show's over.

831
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: Now what you just witnessed was the leaders of the

832
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: Renault Racing team asking one of their top drivers to

833
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: strategically crash his car and throw the race to make

834
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: sure their other driver, Fernando Alonso, can win. Oh damn now, Zaren,

835
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: when we get back, I'll tell you all about crash Gate,

836
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: the biggest scandal in Formula One history, and how it

837
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: went down. Oh yes, Zaron, we're back.

838
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: Hey, look at us. Now.

839
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: When we left off, we were about to get into

840
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: Flavio Briatore's biggest jack move.

841
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: Of all time, crash gates. Yeah, I'm so looking forward

842
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: to this. Here's what we know so far.

843
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: Flavio is very rich, very cool looking, very morally bankrupt

844
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 2: Italian businessman.

845
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: Right.

846
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: He made a fortune franchising Benetton stores after fleecing the

847
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 2: rich in Italy and by a series of rig card games.

848
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: He's been convicted in court and by private organizations, but

849
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: never actually punished. Now he's in his second stint running

850
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: a Formula One racing team. His current team is Renaul,

851
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 2: but it was formed from the ashes of his previous racing.

852
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: Team, Benetton. Yes.

853
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: Team Renall had hit on hard times and desperately needed

854
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: a wind to stay relevant. The day before the Singapore

855
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: Grand Prix, Flavio and the chief engineer convinced one of

856
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 2: their drivers, Nelson Pika Junior, to deliberately crash his car

857
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: during the race to give Fernando Alonso the win. Alonzo

858
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: is also managed by the same two guys. Later, according

859
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: to p K Junior quote, Simons took me aside to

860
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: a quiet corner and using a map, pointed me to

861
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: the exact corner on the track where I should crash

862
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: because quote, it did not have any cranes that would

863
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: allow a damaged car to be swiftly lifted off the track,

864
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: nor did it have any side entrances to the track

865
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: end quote, which would allow a damage to be rolled

866
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: off the track crashing where Simon's indicated quote would thus

867
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: necessitate the deployment of a safety car. Alonso, the other driver,

868
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: wasn't in on any of this and had no idea

869
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: what was going on around him, giving him plausible deniability.

870
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: Oh that's nice, brilliant, it's smart, and this.

871
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: Is all likely to work out because I didn't know this.

872
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: Maybe you know this.

873
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: The Singapore track is known to be very very narrow

874
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: and in that kind of an environment, kind of like NASCAR,

875
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: your position before the race means everything. Yeah, the whole

876
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: race is kind of bottled up and it's really hard

877
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: to make major moves against the field.

878
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could totally say that.

879
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: So one thing that has to happen for all this

880
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 2: to work is Pique has to agree to do his part.

881
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: Flavio had this in the bag because he'd been working

882
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: PK for months. He told him his contract was up

883
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: in the air and he may or may not bring

884
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: him back. He also repeatedly pressured PK to extend his option,

885
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: which is what keeps him from talking to other teams

886
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: while his status is.

887
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: Up in the air. Totally, he kept him on a

888
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: short leash.

889
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's got him totally tenderized by the time

890
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: he makes this big request. So now it's race day.

891
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: It's September twenty eight, two thousand and eight. I thought

892
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: about making this the picture it, but we've done really

893
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: cool car races before and I didn't want to just

894
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: kind of be swimming in your wake. So that's why

895
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: I kind of pushed it earlier. Okay, but i'll tell

896
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: you about it please. So Piquet starts the race in

897
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: sixteenth place. He crashes right where he's supposed to at

898
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: the seventeenth turn on the fourteenth lap.

899
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 3: Oh.

900
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: He basically the way he does it is like he

901
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 2: presses hard on the throttle during a right left turn.

902
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: He deliberately causes his car to drift out underneath him,

903
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: and then he just keeps feeding a gas so it

904
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: just drifts and hits the wall. Okay, and there's no

905
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: crane nearby, so the only way to clear the track

906
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: is to call out the safety car, which basically slows

907
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: the race at that point, and.

908
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: He didn't crash into anybody else. He didn't risk anybody

909
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: else in his crash. That's right, just the wall. Yeah. Perfect.

910
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: Now there's one other wrinkle that made this whole thing work,

911
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: which is that the other driver, Fernando Alonso, he had

912
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: taken a pit stop two laps prior, and he was

913
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: the only leading driver in the field who had taken

914
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: a pit stop at that point in the race.

915
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 3: Oh, so it's time perfectly.

916
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so after the stop, after the safety stop, he's

917
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: the only one who doesn't need a pit stop.

918
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: He's done. Yeah, huge, huge advantage, huge advantage.

919
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: So he had started the race Alonso in fifteenth place,

920
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: just ahead of Pique. He ends up winning the race,

921
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: and the guy who was leading at the time of

922
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: the crash, who was a driver named Felipe Masa, he

923
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: finished thirteenth.

924
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 3: Ooh.

925
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: At the time afterwards, Pique is telling everyone, Oh, it

926
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: was an honest mistake, I just screwed up.

927
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: Now, this was a huge deal in Formula One. Yeah.

928
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: At the end of the year, Felipe Masa was almost

929
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: the champion. He fell short of the championship by a

930
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: single point and he in one Singapore, which he should have.

931
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: He would have easily won the championship.

932
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'd been furious if I was him.

933
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: Right, So Alonzo's ill gotten victory was all probably gonna

934
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: hold until Flavio made one real dumbass mistake. He fired

935
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: Pique from the Renault Racing team in July two thousand

936
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: and nine. No, you can't fire your bag man, after

937
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: all he had done for the team. Yes, Piquet was

938
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: a little upset, of course, so after his firing he

939
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: wrote quote as a beginner in F one, I could

940
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: only expect from my team a lot of support and

941
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: preparation to help me in getting up to the task. Instead,

942
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: I was relegated as someone who drives the other car

943
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: with no attention at all. In addition, on numerous occasions,

944
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes before qualifying in races, my manager and team boss,

945
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: whose Briatore, would threaten me, telling me if I didn't

946
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: get a good result, he had another driver ready to

947
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: put in my place. A manager is supposed to encourage you,

948
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: support you, and provide you with opportunities. In my case

949
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: it was the opposite. Flavio Briatore was my executioner. But

950
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: that's not all he did, Zarin. Behind the scenes, he's

951
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 2: singing like a canary to the Formula one governing body. Yes,

952
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not normally for snitches, but snitch on brother.

953
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine, like this is Italy, home

954
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 2: of the famous organization that tends not to take chances

955
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: when it comes to even innocent eyewitnesses who could later

956
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: cause problems.

957
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm surprised he's breathing. I mean, honestly, based on what

958
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: happened to Breetorre's first boss back in the day when

959
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: he first started out, and now he's like, oh, everything

960
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: he just happened to die. Like, I'm surprised that if

961
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: you're going to ask a driver to do this now

962
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: they know too much. And we know what happens when

963
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: you know too much, you either get paid off or

964
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: you get you know, pushed off.

965
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, don't fire him, make him a king for life,

966
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: like you've got the money, just say.

967
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: Just let him have a career forever and then he

968
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: will be as complicit. He can't ever speak against you

969
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: because it speaks against everything he has totally.

970
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: So the Formula one Governing Body gave Piquet immunity for

971
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: his cooperation and testimony. Initially, Briatore and Simons denied everything.

972
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 2: They even tried to blame PK for the idea, which

973
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: is just the habit exactly. Eventually, the parent company, Renault,

974
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: came over the top and accepted responsibility. They said they

975
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't contest the charges and they said they had accepted

976
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: the resignations of Briatore and Simon's Formula one turns around

977
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: and as Briatore for life and also refused to license

978
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 2: any drivers he had been involved with Renel. The team

979
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: gets banned for two years, but that wasn't the end

980
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: of the controversy. Briatore being such a proud you know

981
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: Fadre la Bella Figura guy, he maintains his innocence and

982
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: he says he only resigned for the good of the team.

983
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: So after getting the Formula one death penalty, he says, quote,

984
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: I've been betrayed by my own world.

985
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 3: In the end, I will win and you'll.

986
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: See we'll have a great party.

987
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: God. The most Italian answer ever. Now, did he get next?

988
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: Get involved in FIFA? I mean, like, what's he going

989
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: to do next? Wait? Let me go on.

990
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: So we'll have a great party. It will be organized

991
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: well and will invite all those people who have stayed

992
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: close to me during these tough times. I feel like

993
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: it's like the spirit of Rodney Dangerfield. Basically, yes, totally so.

994
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: Sure enough, Flavio appealed the ruling to a French court.

995
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: Not only did he ask for the Formula one ruling

996
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: to be overturned, he also asked for a million euros

997
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 2: in damages.

998
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 3: Oh, his reputation has been besmirched, of course.

999
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: He declares the penalty against him quote a legal absurdity

1000
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: and said the FIA had made a quote break of

1001
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: the rules of natural justice.

1002
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: At least he wasn't getting grand with it.

1003
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: Now's Aaron, I'll give you one guess as to how

1004
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: this alterned out for him.

1005
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: He gets reinstated and is now the head of everyone.

1006
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: Pretty close. The French court's order of the ruling reversed.

1007
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1008
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: They award Flavio not the whole one million euros, but

1009
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: a much smaller sum of fifteen thousand euros for his troubles.

1010
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 2: There's no word on whether the victory party he threw

1011
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: was actually well organized, but he did say quote I'm calm.

1012
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: I did my duty as chief commander of a ship

1013
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: that was risking sinking. By resigning, I took moral responsibility

1014
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: for the scandal. But the real story has yet to

1015
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: be written. However, the verdict has given me freedom and pride.

1016
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: And that's fine. Oh he is good at talking. You

1017
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 3: can you get here? Yeah, it's like, oh, this guy's

1018
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 3: gonna be charming. And if he has tossled hair too,

1019
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 3: forget about now.

1020
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: The Formula one Association, obviously they're looking at this and

1021
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: they're like, eh, okay, you've kind of gone over our heads. Yeah,

1022
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: so they decide to settle with Priatorian Simons. They do

1023
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: ban them from the big competitions for a few years

1024
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: and also from minor competitions for a couple of years.

1025
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: They said the two men had accepted responsibility, but if

1026
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: you look at what Flavia was saying at the.

1027
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: Time, not really. I've got another quote. Okay.

1028
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: Although he may have formally accepted responsibility, he posted this

1029
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: statement on the Formula one website. He had said, you know,

1030
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: I accept quote without any admission of a personal guilt

1031
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: in these events, and without any recognition of the fact

1032
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: that the decision of the World Council rendered against him

1033
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: would have been well founded.

1034
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 3: I accept that people have said I'm guilty.

1035
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I accept that you told me to say the word.

1036
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: I accept exactly. At that point, I guess he had

1037
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: had enough of Formula one, and even though his lifetime

1038
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: ban was lifted, he ended that chapter of his criming. Okay,

1039
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: and there's more, of course, lots more, but Zaren, I'll

1040
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 2: leave you with a couple of his recent and current

1041
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 2: business ventures.

1042
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: Okay please.

1043
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: After Crashgate, he started his own menswear label, Billionaire Couture,

1044
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: which sold jeans with real gold buttons. And you mentioned

1045
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: FIFA earlier. He did actually own the Queen's Park Rangers

1046
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: for a little while. Of course, a very well respected

1047
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: team ran it into the ground ultimately was forced to

1048
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 2: sell it. Yeah, like that is going to be drawn

1049
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 2: to FIFA. Like Moth to Flame. Oh yeah, yeah, it's

1050
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: paid for him. He also bought a super yacht of course.

1051
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, another thing, Moth Flame super yacht totally is move.

1052
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: It was eventually seesed for tax evasions.

1053
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 3: It was.

1054
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: Sold to Bernie Eclestone in an assets auction. Who's come

1055
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: up in the Tony tetrop?

1056
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: Yes, I was just about to say Elizabeth Tony Tetro episode. Right,

1057
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 3: this Ecclestone guy, we need to do something on him.

1058
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: And these guys were tight, like Bernie ecclestone and Briatore

1059
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: were friends to the end.

1060
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 3: Oh, we're coming for you Eclestone.

1061
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's more because he was also a he was

1062
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: a co owner in the Queen's Park range.

1063
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. I detect a taint on this guy. Yeah.

1064
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: Even in researching this one, uh, Marissa uncovered a lot

1065
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: of stuff that's happened in the last two years to

1066
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: that guy.

1067
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: Okay, there we go.

1068
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: Of course, a few years later that conviction for tax

1069
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 2: evasion with a super yacht overturned on appeal. I want

1070
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: his lawyers or one of the two just never gotten

1071
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: his come up in And now he runs a company

1072
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: called Majestas or Mayastas m A j E.

1073
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 3: S t A S. Well, you know why he's getting

1074
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: away with all this. If he would have robbed the

1075
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: equivalent of like Walgreens, then he would be in behind bars.

1076
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: But you know, because he's doing all this, it's like, well,

1077
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: come on, rich people ripping off a lot of Yeah.

1078
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: Uh. The the mission statement of Mayastas is quote globally

1079
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: known for iconic, top performing experiences in fine dining, elite entertainment,

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Speaker 2: and luxury hospitality. It includes four quote billionaire locations, which

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Speaker 2: are high end restaurant slash club slash theaters in Sardinia, Dubai,

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Speaker 2: Monte Carlo, and Riod. I was guessing taking the arms,

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Speaker 2: arms traders, hotspots total And then he's got Twiga beach

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Speaker 2: resorts in Italy, London, Monte Carlo and Doha for good measure.

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Speaker 3: Okay, dohas and a guessabitha one of the two.

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Speaker 2: He also owns the Crazy Pizza brand, which has locations

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Speaker 2: in Italy, England, Monaco and the Middle East. Uh called

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Speaker 2: crazy maybe because the crust doesn't have any yeast in it.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to know. Oh maybe it's just crazy because

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Speaker 3: like I'm a pretty crazy guy. And yeah, that beans

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Speaker 3: so Zarin. What's your ridiculous takeaway? Oh dude, you've just

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Speaker 3: given me another reminder. One you maybe want to go

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Speaker 3: back and start paying attention to f one, So good

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Speaker 3: on you about that. You reawakened my love for the speed.

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Speaker 3: But two and I always tell people in my family

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Speaker 3: this when they're like telling me something like, oh, did

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Speaker 3: you see such and such as in the news, they're

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Speaker 3: gonna get this person. I'm like, how rich is he?

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Speaker 3: Like what do you mean? I'm like, like, just tell

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Speaker 3: me how rich is this person? And I can tell

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Speaker 3: you the like that we're gonna get justice in this case.

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Speaker 3: They're like, well he's said. I'm like, okay, no justice,

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Speaker 3: he's too rich. There is this constant thing, and I

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Speaker 3: wish it bothered more people, but it's you know, it

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Speaker 3: just becomes like something that makes people the kind of

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Speaker 3: jaundice to the idea of justice. But we allow and

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Speaker 3: we know that rich people are gonna get away with

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Speaker 3: this stuff, and then they do, and then we're like,

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Speaker 3: well that's how it goes. So that way, when you're

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Speaker 3: getting bribed, the person getting bribe feels lucky.

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, I'm in the right spot to be

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Speaker 2: getting bribed because he's gonna bribe somebody.

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Speaker 3: I just happen to be the one. You know. It's

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Speaker 3: that's what seems ridiculous to me. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: We know rich people are gonna do it, and they

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Speaker 3: still get away with it all the time because everybody

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Speaker 3: is I even I joked though, it's the best life

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Speaker 3: they have the just being able to kind of like

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Speaker 3: you know, paper over your mistakes or able to like

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Speaker 3: lay down a bunch of ball bearings over rough ground.

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Speaker 3: That's what that type of money is. And we joke

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Speaker 3: that it's few money, but it's more than that. It's

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Speaker 3: also f me money, do what I want.

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Speaker 2: You know, and it's f one money exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's well played. What's your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 2: Dave very Well said, I don't know how much more

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Speaker 2: I can add to that, other than by saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: this proves that people tell you crime doesn't pay.

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Speaker 3: Crime pays.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely pays. And this guy, like like you said,

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Speaker 2: he telegraphed it from the beginning. He's like, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to work. I want to make a lot of money,

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Speaker 2: and I don't care about breaking rules, breaking laws, breaking

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Speaker 2: morals whatever. I'm just going to go through life, you know,

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Speaker 2: making the money I want to make taking it.

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Speaker 3: I think that they we should restate that old saying

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Speaker 3: instead of saying crime doesn't pay, getting caught doesn't pay.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: You got it, that's it.

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Speaker 3: That's my story. That's right, every one. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: sharing that one. Elizabeth missed a dope one, so thank you,

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Speaker 3: d thank you.

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Speaker 2: feature to leave us a thirty second message. As always,

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Speaker 2: thank you for listening, and don't do anything Zaren wouldn't do.

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Speaker 2: and Elizabeth Kikoza Phi Dutton and hosted, produced and edited

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