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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I think you guys

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Speaker 1: are going to find this episode really interesting because I

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Speaker 1: had a gentleman reach out to me about a week ago,

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Speaker 1: and you are probably familiar with his name. He is

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Speaker 1: a former congressman, Congressman justin Amash and he asked if

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Speaker 1: Like I don't agree with impeachment. There are things that

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Speaker 1: I always want to hear. I don't want to assume

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Speaker 1: was like, what are we going to talk about? And

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Speaker 1: then We ended up talking for two and a half hours,

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Speaker 1: and it was fascinating, and I thought, you guys don't

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Speaker 1: got an interesting, not only story as a congressman, but

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Speaker 1: also a very interesting story a life story as parents

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Speaker 1: And so when I heard that, I was like, you

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Speaker 1: know what we need to talk. So without further ado,

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Speaker 1: Justin Amash Congressman Justin I Mosh is with me today

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Speaker 1: and as you may or may not know, he is

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Speaker 1: running for the Senate in Michigan, and so we have

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how many candidates there are anymore

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Speaker 2: So like you're down to four, right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Four Republicans and two Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thanks for having mean, I don't consider us having

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Speaker 1: Democrats in that Thanks for having me on, Yes, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. So I did

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Speaker 2: But before that just what happened.

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Speaker 1: Last week, I think is something we have to address

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Speaker 2: What do you just overall? What were your feelings when

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Speaker 3: I was absolutely horrified.

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Speaker 3: I got really nervous, stressed out about it, not just

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Speaker 3: I mean, this kind of stuff has no place in

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Speaker 1: We've had so many discussions in the office about this. Honestly, like,

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Speaker 2: I mean we're talking.

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Speaker 1: About centimeters from him losing his life. And I think

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Speaker 3: It's hard to know what's going on in someone's mind.

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Speaker 3: I do think there's a lot of brainwashing going on.

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Speaker 3: And you have young people sometimes who believe this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that is a problem is

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Speaker 1: And therefore if they say this person's a threat, then

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Speaker 1: And it becomes very challenging. And I think that a

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Speaker 1: you've had disagreements, and you have been critical, and you

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Speaker 2: They'll come up with something.

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Speaker 1: And then as a senator, you have a lot of

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Speaker 2: Like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: I'm the most conservative congressman out there, So tell us

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Speaker 2: So what are the things you want to do?

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Speaker 3: So outside of my district, there are a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: of the most, if not the most constitutionally and fiscally

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Speaker 3: limited government, economic freedom, and individual liberty. If you look

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Speaker 1: Well, and of course that was something that when you

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Speaker 1: And there is a faction of Republicans in Michigan who

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Speaker 2: And I see that. I see what is happening.

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Speaker 1: There is kind of a divide, even in what we've

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Speaker 3: It is I mean it is chaos to some extent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, these are the big things going on.

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Speaker 3: It's that the two parties actually work together to harm

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Speaker 3: And you have two people who have very similar voting

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Speaker 2: And the other one is he's very pro life.

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Speaker 3: they would come to the floor and Donald Trump would say,

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Speaker 3: you've got to vote for it. War stuff that continued.

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Speaker 3: You know, we talk a lot about not starting new wars.

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Speaker 3: The level of bombing in Afghanistan and parts of the

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Speaker 3: Middle East and Africa actually increased under Donald Trump for

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Speaker 3: many years, and the number of troops there were higher

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Speaker 3: under Donald Trump until the very end, until the very

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Speaker 3: end of his term. So you know, there are a

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Speaker 3: lot of ways in which he upset the establishment, for sure,

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Speaker 3: but when it comes to DC politics and just continuing

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Speaker 3: the status quo, he helped continue the status quo when

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Speaker 3: push actually came to shove, when you actually had to

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Speaker 3: vote on these things or sign them into law. And

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Speaker 3: that was really difficult for me as a conservative because

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Speaker 3: I'm out there trying to make the case and I

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Speaker 3: was trying to make the case for years that were

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Speaker 3: doing the wrong thing. The government is growing that our

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Speaker 3: rights are being violated, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: people don't look that deep into the issues. You know,

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Speaker 3: they hear the rhetoric, but they're not paying attention to

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Speaker 3: how the votes are going and what's being signed into law.

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Speaker 3: And that was really hard for me as a conservative

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Speaker 3: because I'm not the kind of person who just stays quiet.

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Speaker 3: I speak out and a lot of my conservative colleagues

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Speaker 3: were saying, hey, justin like, we agree with you about

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Just keep quiet though, and.

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Speaker 2: Now then, what do you think about another four years?

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Speaker 2: What's your opinion?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean pretty much anyone is better than Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden at this point, So I'm not Joe Biden cannot

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Speaker 3: serve even another year in office. So if you're asking

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Speaker 3: me between the two, I just don't think Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: conserve it all. Nor do I agree with Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: on a whole host of issues.

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Speaker 1: But if they were to change what if they were

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Speaker 1: to change it and they had a Gretchen Whimer or

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Speaker 1: Gavin Rys come on, no, I mean I have to

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Speaker 1: ask you because I think a lot I read. I

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Speaker 1: think people will listen to this and say it sounds

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Speaker 1: like you won't support.

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Speaker 3: I've never voted for a Democrat for president. It's never happened.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, you know again, I'm an open minded person.

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Speaker 3: If some Democrat came in and was like, super you know,

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Speaker 3: pro liberty and pro constitution, okay, I'm open to it.

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Speaker 3: But that's not the case here with any of the

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Speaker 3: names you're talking about, or any of the people actually

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Speaker 3: out there.

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Speaker 1: So, and I think that people, the majority of people

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Speaker 1: who think about government they want or Republicans, they want

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Speaker 1: limited government, they want the things that you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: They see that opportunity in a President Trump jd Vance ticket,

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Speaker 1: and they see that he went from Pence to jd Vance.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, JD is way different than what we

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Speaker 1: see with the Paul Ryans of the.

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Speaker 2: World or the Kevin McCarthy of the world.

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Speaker 1: And I think that people have been like, oh, he's

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Speaker 1: this young guy that came in with these conservative values

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Speaker 1: and a really different background. You know, the majority of

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Speaker 1: people don't have that background. And that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: I want to get into with you as well, because

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Speaker 1: you have a very different background than most people. I

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Speaker 1: think you were, what the second one of only two

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Speaker 1: Palestinians who have ever served in Congress, and I think

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Speaker 1: the other one is Rasheeta to leave, so we know

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Speaker 1: how that's going for us here in Michigan. And you

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Speaker 1: made the point that you're the only person whose father

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Speaker 1: actually came over, And that was what I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get into because when you started telling me the story,

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Speaker 1: because I talked to you about we have a significant

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Speaker 1: Arab community in the state of Michigan, and that is

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Speaker 1: that's been kind of a question for Democrats because that

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Speaker 1: community has always been very loyal to the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 1: And if you go back in my time when I

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Speaker 1: was running the story that I received from them, say, look,

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Speaker 1: after nine to eleven, we were really brutalized by Republicans

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Speaker 1: because they were all saying, like, everybody in this community

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Speaker 1: is bad.

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Speaker 2: And I could see it. You know, I'm not naive.

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Speaker 1: I could look back and go, yeah, I can see that,

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Speaker 1: and they were like at that point, we just were like,

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Speaker 1: we're done. We don't want to be around Republicans. And

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Speaker 1: now I think that you have Republicans who seem to

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Speaker 1: seem to be the voice piece or the mouthpiece for

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party, and they say things that don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: reflect what all Republicans are thinking. And so I think

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Speaker 1: that this has continued to be sort of an issue

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Speaker 1: for Republicans with the Arab American community. And then obviously

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Speaker 1: we saw what happened on October seventh, and there was

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Speaker 1: a major split. Republicans are very supportive of Israel, and

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Speaker 1: the Palestinian community obviously is very supportive of the people

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Speaker 1: in Gaza and making sure that they are kept safe.

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Speaker 1: So we know that that's a huge divide right now.

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Speaker 1: I think that when I've talked to the Arab American community,

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Speaker 1: they are extremely conservative. So it's a weird situation because

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Speaker 1: we as Republicans have always kind of felt like there's

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Speaker 1: no getting into that community. I think during my race

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Speaker 1: it felt different. For the first time. They were like,

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Speaker 1: we're not into this pornography in schools, We're not into

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Speaker 1: teaching the LGBTQ stuff to our kids. We really want

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Speaker 1: government to reflect our values, and we see that that

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Speaker 1: is the case here. But this has been a massive divide,

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Speaker 1: and your dad experienced the beginning of this really where

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Speaker 1: we ended up with the Europeans going in separating everything.

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Speaker 1: He was kicked out of his house. So I wanted

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Speaker 1: you to kind of tell that story and how you

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Speaker 1: think that, how you can talk about that in a

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Speaker 1: different way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Thanks. My dad is a palasing and refugee. He

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Speaker 3: was expelled from his home in nineteen forty eight when

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Speaker 3: he was eight years old. He was in an area

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Speaker 3: of two cities, Rumley and lud and there was a

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Speaker 3: mass exodus expulsion from those cities. Those are cities that

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Speaker 3: are now in Israel, he and his family had to flee.

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Speaker 3: They fled to Romalla, where they lived for about eight years.

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Speaker 3: And then he became an American because he got to

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Speaker 3: he was sponsored by a minister and his wife in Muskegan, Michigan.

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Speaker 3: They sponsored my dad's family to come to the United States.

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Speaker 3: Americans welcomed them with open arms, and the rest is

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Speaker 3: really history in that my dad having had that experience,

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Speaker 3: like a lot of people who come to the United

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Speaker 3: States fleeing oppression, he was very appreciative of the United States.

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Speaker 3: He loved what we stood for as a country. And

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Speaker 3: so when I was a kid, he used to tell

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Speaker 3: me all the time how blessed we were to be here.

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Speaker 3: He didn't talk about wanting to go back. He was

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Speaker 3: blessed to be here, so happy to be an American

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Speaker 3: and to have opportunity here, and always would tell it

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter in the United States, what your background is,

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Speaker 3: what your last name is, what your religion is. You

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Speaker 3: can make it here. And you know what motivated me,

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Speaker 3: I think growing up to get involved in politics. I

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Speaker 3: used to think of myself as maybe I would want

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Speaker 3: to be in politics someday to help keep this American

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Speaker 3: dream alive for people, and so a lot of immigrant families,

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Speaker 3: including many Arib Americans, have this sort of experience. They

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Speaker 3: might not have the same exact experience as a palsing

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Speaker 3: in refugee, but they have the experience of having fled

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Speaker 3: something or come here to get away from oppression or

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Speaker 3: a difficult time or authoritarian regimes. And so when they

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Speaker 3: come here, they tend to be very pro constitution, pro liberty,

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Speaker 3: pro capitalism. They tend to be prey conservative. And that's

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Speaker 3: why I think there's a real opportunity in this election

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Speaker 3: to bring a lot of those Arib Americans, who make

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Speaker 3: up a sizable portion of Michigan's population, to bring them

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Speaker 3: back into the Republican tent because what you said is right.

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Speaker 3: They left the Republican Party around the time of George W. Bush.

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Speaker 3: They voted for George W. Bush, and then around that

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Speaker 3: time there's a lot of neo conservative conservatism that rose up,

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Speaker 3: and they left the Republican Party because they disagreed with

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Speaker 3: them on foreign policy issues and civil liberties issues. To

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Speaker 3: Patriot Act, Faiza, all of the surveillance stuff really drove

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Speaker 3: them away. And now they're willing to come back because

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Speaker 3: they are conservative people, and I think this is a

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Speaker 3: real opportunity. This is why I've pointed out many times.

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Speaker 3: You know this, along with my voting record as a

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Speaker 3: conservative Republican, I'm the only person who can win this

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Speaker 3: general election for Senate. I'm the only person who can

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Speaker 3: win it because I will keep Republicans united, Conservatives united,

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Speaker 3: because I have the most conservative voting record by far

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Speaker 3: of any of the candidates running for office on the

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Speaker 3: Republican side. But on top of it, I have a

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Speaker 3: record that is respected by people on the other side.

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Speaker 3: There are independents and Democrats whoill vote for me because

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Speaker 3: they know I'm independent minded and I will do what

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Speaker 3: I think is right, not just fall in line with

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Speaker 3: my party or any particular politician. And then there are

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Speaker 3: Arib Americans in this state who I think will be

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Speaker 3: thrilled to vote for me in the general election. To

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Speaker 3: have an opportunity to vote for someone who is the

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Speaker 3: son of a Palasinden refugee, the son of a Syrian immigrant.

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Speaker 3: My mom is Syrian, So to have that opportunity to

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Speaker 3: vote for someone to represent the state of Michigan who

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Speaker 3: comes from a background that's similar to their background. And

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of their values, I think is a

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Speaker 3: monumental moment. And whatever the presidential race does, if it's

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Speaker 3: a close race, which I think it could be, whether

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Speaker 3: Trump wins or loses, I think I can outpace to

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Speaker 3: the presidential ticket on the Republican side by a pretty

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Speaker 3: good margin. And so this is a real opportunity to

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Speaker 3: win this Senate race for Republicans. And the problem you

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Speaker 3: run into with a like a Mike Rogers is he's

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Speaker 3: so similar to Alyssa Slockin. He doesn't give people a

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Speaker 3: reason to cross over, there's not really a reason for it,

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Speaker 3: and he certainly doesn't appeal to the Arab American community.

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Speaker 3: In fact, they left the Republican Party because of people

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Speaker 3: like Mike Rogers. I mean, he represents that type of Republican,

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Speaker 3: the George W. Bush Republican that pushed them away from

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party, the Dick Cheney Republican, the Donald Rumsfeld Republican,

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Speaker 3: that's what pushed them away from the Republican Party in

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Speaker 3: the first place. So to them, when I've talked to them,

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Speaker 3: they're like, well, if it's Mike Rogers, we don't really

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Speaker 3: want to have any to do with Mike Rogers.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I do think that there's a big

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Speaker 1: divide right now in the Republican Party on the seat,

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Speaker 1: and I think people feel like this is the first

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Speaker 1: time in a really long time we've had an opportunity

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Speaker 1: at a seat. But I think that there is so

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Speaker 1: much support for Donald Trump right now. And Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: came out and endorsed Mike Rogers. And although I have

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Speaker 1: heard people say, you know, that moves me, and people

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Speaker 1: who have said that doesn't move me, so it doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily an endorsement is not necessarily a win. And I

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Speaker 1: think that a lot of people feel that way. But

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Speaker 1: I do what do you say to the people out

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Speaker 1: there who say he doesn't support Donald Trump? And I'm

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Speaker 1: afraid of what that means if he gets into the Senate.

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Speaker 3: Mike Rodgers doesn't support Donald Trump. I mean, Mike Rogers

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Speaker 3: just a year ago was bashing Donald Trump. You know

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Speaker 3: we have there's all sorts of tweets. He was on

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Speaker 3: TV describing him like an authoritarian. So Mike Rodgers as

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Speaker 3: bashed him. But what's happening here is what has happened

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Speaker 3: in a lot of places in the country, and people

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Speaker 3: know this at home. Donald Trump has been convinced by

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Speaker 3: a lot of the Republican establishment to endorse the candidates

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Speaker 3: that they want to win the election. The Republican establishment

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Speaker 3: wants Mike Rogers. Why Because Mike Rogers will vote for

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Speaker 3: the spending. Mike Rodgers will vote for the surveillance which

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Speaker 3: is going to come up again for reauthorization. Mike Rogers

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Speaker 3: will keep the war machine going. They want Mike Rogers.

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Speaker 3: And so there's this alliance here between Trump and the

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Speaker 3: establishment on these on at least the election of members

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Speaker 3: of Congress, where there's sort of a truce and Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump is saying, Okay, I will support your candidates if

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Speaker 3: if you'll back me. And I think that's terrible for

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Speaker 3: our country, for those who are concerned about what's happened

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Speaker 3: in the past where they said Donald Trump surrounded himself

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Speaker 3: by the wrong people. He's doing it again. He's surrounding

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Speaker 3: himself with the wrong people and whatever his beliefs, and

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Speaker 3: I really do think that he does have the opportunity

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Speaker 3: to make a big difference and move the Republican Party

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Speaker 3: in a better direction. But if he surrounds himself with

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Speaker 3: people who are pushing for the status quo, pushing for

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Speaker 3: more spending more or more surveillance. There's not going to

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Speaker 3: be any difference. It's going to be the same kind

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Speaker 3: of results we had last time. And he could have

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Speaker 3: done a lot better if the rhetoric that he was

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Speaker 3: putting out had actually been followed through on, and he

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Speaker 3: hadn't surrounded himself with all these people who do harm

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Speaker 3: to our country. And so I think people have to

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Speaker 3: look at us as individual candidates, what do we stand for,

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Speaker 3: and they know that I will stand up for the Constitution,

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Speaker 3: I will stand up for liberty. I will protect your rights.

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Speaker 3: I will cut spending and make sure that the economy

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Speaker 3: is working in a way that benefits the American people,

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Speaker 3: not big corporations. I'll fight against the corporate welfare that

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Speaker 3: people have been that Republicans have pushed for in the past,

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Speaker 3: they've pushed for corporate welfare. I'll fight against that corporate welfare,

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Speaker 3: which is another reason the party was against me, because

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Speaker 3: they didn't like the fact that I was fighting against

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Speaker 3: the corporate welfare. I will go and stand for the

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Speaker 3: American people. And so I don't think we should look

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Speaker 3: at endorsements and think, well, that's that Donald Trump has

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Speaker 3: had to say. I don't think Donald Trump is making

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Speaker 3: that decision. I think someone is telling him this is

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Speaker 3: who you should endorse, this is what the party wants,

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Speaker 3: and he's going along with it. And I wish he

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Speaker 3: would do that, but that's that's how it's working, and

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Speaker 3: we've seen it in place around the country. I think

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Speaker 3: we have plenty of evidence of that throughout the country.

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Speaker 1: Stick with me because I'll be back with Justin Amash.

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Speaker 1: back with justin aamash after this. I mean, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: because I struggle because the things that you're saying. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: I do I want someone to go in there and

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Speaker 1: fight against some of this stuff? And I don't want

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Speaker 1: the person to go in and just be, you know,

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Speaker 1: going along with whatever the line is at the moment

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Speaker 1: and allow us to.

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Speaker 2: Get hurt through it.

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Speaker 1: However, I also listen to you, and there's a part

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Speaker 1: of me that's like, what if you go what if

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Speaker 1: you got elected and you went in and you just

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Speaker 1: impeached him in and threw him out of there, and

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Speaker 1: you try everything you could to get him out of there,

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Speaker 1: and then we're in a bigger problem, and then there

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Speaker 1: is more divided, and I think that that's where a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are like, gosh, all of this sounds

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Speaker 1: like that person that I want to go in there

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Speaker 1: to fight against some of these crazy things.

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Speaker 2: But there's a lot of caution around you too, So

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Speaker 2: I just it's hard.

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Speaker 3: Let me add I didn't try to impeach him, and

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Speaker 3: I haven't tried to impeach anyone. What happens is when

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Speaker 3: you're a member of Congress, legislation comes up, including articles

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Speaker 3: of impeachment, and you have to vote on what's in

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Speaker 3: front of you based on the facts you have. And

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Speaker 3: it wasn't because of Russia collusion. It wasn't because I

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Speaker 3: want weapons to go to Ukraine. In fact, I voted

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Speaker 3: against the weapons going to Ukraine. Donald Trump actually signed

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Speaker 3: the bill that allowed weapons to go to Ukraine. I

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Speaker 3: voted against it. So it wasn't because of any of

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Speaker 3: the reasons people like to talk about. It's because I

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Speaker 3: believe that he didn't cooperate with Congress in a way

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Speaker 3: that is required under our constitution. We have separation of powers,

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Speaker 3: so we have checks and balances. We have a process

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Speaker 3: for dealing with things, and if another president does the

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Speaker 3: same thing, And that's how I looked at it. What

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Speaker 3: if a democratic president did these things, how would I vote?

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Speaker 3: And I would have voted for impeachment. But do you

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Speaker 3: think that OURA is.

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Speaker 2: Going to be used as a weapon every time?

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Speaker 3: Now that impeachment is going to be used a weapon, Well,

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Speaker 3: I think it should be used more often, but against everyone.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it should be used just against Republicans

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Speaker 3: or Donald Trump. Our presidents consistently exceed their power. They're

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Speaker 3: abusing power, They're using the executive branch in ways that

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Speaker 3: is far beyond what is allowed under our constitution.

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Speaker 1: They I mean, I think our presidents have done. They've

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Speaker 1: made executive orders. Our governors have these executive orders. And

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Speaker 1: the concern with that is that if you are using

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Speaker 1: executive orders to a certain extent, then that only lasts

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Speaker 1: for four years and you're not actually making the changes

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Speaker 1: that you need to immigration policying, that kind of stuff. However,

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Speaker 1: I think people would also say, well, it's a stopgap

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Speaker 1: and then you negotiate, But then the negotiation doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: to happen, and so from the outside looking in, We're like, well,

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Speaker 1: what is the answer if you don't have somebody people

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Speaker 1: hold Donald Trump in this light of like he's standing

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Speaker 1: for us, he's standing against these things, and so he

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Speaker 1: uses the executive branch to stand up to that. And

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Speaker 1: I am not saying that I think that that's the

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Speaker 1: best way, because obviously we all want government to work

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Speaker 1: in function together.

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Speaker 2: How do you change that?

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Speaker 1: Maybe that is having someone I mean, the Senate is

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Speaker 1: a fewer people than the House, and maybe that is

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Speaker 1: having people that have his ear. But then how do

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Speaker 1: you get his ear in a system that doesn't want

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Speaker 1: people like you talking to him?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I'll be able to get his ear

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Speaker 3: if I'm there. I'm not a difficult person to work with,

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Speaker 3: you know. I'm open to working with people, even when

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Speaker 3: we've had disagreements. When I reached out to you, I

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Speaker 3: didn't know whether we would for sure get along or not.

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Speaker 3: I found you to be a great person. I've told

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Speaker 3: you this before. I thought my impression of you initially

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Speaker 3: was skepticism when I heard about you running for a governor,

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Speaker 3: and then I came to really like you and thought

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Speaker 3: you did an excellent job throughout the campaign, So I I,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm willing to work with people even if

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Speaker 3: I have disagreements, even if I had some perception of them.

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Speaker 3: And if Donald Trump is there and reaches out his

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Speaker 3: hand and says, hey, will you work with me on

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Speaker 3: this stuff? Absolutely I work with it.

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Speaker 2: But do you push? Do you then push?

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Speaker 1: I mean like you're you are obviously you push to

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Speaker 1: get to Congress the first time. And I know I'm

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Speaker 1: keeping you kind of long, but I really want to

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Speaker 1: ask you, because do you push to get there? Because

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Speaker 1: you obviously pushed to get into Congress. You weren't the choice.

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Speaker 1: You weren't like the establishment guy, and gren Rapids is

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Speaker 1: not an easy district to become the congressman if you

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Speaker 1: are not the choice of the people there, and yet

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Speaker 1: you did that. So do you have some way that

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Speaker 1: you go, Okay? I want to And I think it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like as swallowing your pride situation, because Jadie

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Speaker 1: Vance obviously was someone who came out vehemently against Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: and now he's joined him on the ticket, and there

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Speaker 1: seems to be this method of aligning with Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: even when you have gone against him, that you can

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Speaker 1: come back together, and that He likes those voices who

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Speaker 1: are willing to say I didn't agree with you here.

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Speaker 1: But let's think about this differently. He's a negotiator. Is

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Speaker 1: there a way that you will push to say, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I want to be close to him, and I want

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Speaker 1: to be in that inner circle to help make those decisions.

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Speaker 3: As I've said, I'm happy to work with him and

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Speaker 3: happy to support him on the things where we agree.

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Speaker 3: I think the difference between me and a lot of

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Speaker 3: people in this case with respect to Donald Trump is

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Speaker 3: that I won't say things I don't believe to get

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Speaker 3: his affection. I'm not going to say, you know you're

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Speaker 3: my favorite person of all time, and you know you're

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Speaker 3: the greatest thing that's ever happened. I will tell you

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Speaker 3: when I agree with you, and i'll support you, but

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Speaker 3: I am Look, I'm a very cynical person about politicians.

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Speaker 3: It takes a lot to win me over. Even like

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Speaker 3: my closest friends in Congress, I didn't necessarily endorse them

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Speaker 3: for office because to get my endorsement like that, to

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Speaker 3: get my support like full throated, like I'm behind you

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent, that takes a lot. There's only maybe

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Speaker 3: like one or two members of Congress like that, and

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Speaker 3: very few people in politics I generally would say that about. So, No,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to bend the knee and bow to anyone,

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Speaker 3: but I will tell you this, I will work with anyone.

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Speaker 3: And the the other thing you get with me is

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Speaker 3: I will also challenge anyone. I will challenge people on

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Speaker 3: the Republican side when they're wrong, but I'll also challenge

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Speaker 3: Democrats just as ferociously as I challenge any of the Republicans,

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Speaker 3: if not more so. You know, like there's going to

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Speaker 3: be Democrats who maybe win the presidency during that Senate term,

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Speaker 3: who knows, you know, it's a six year term. You

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Speaker 3: might have a Democrat after that. You want to have

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Speaker 3: someone in there who's not part of the uniparty, someone

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Speaker 3: who's willing to stand up to that president and say no.

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Speaker 3: So I will be that person. And I'll also say

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Speaker 3: yes to presidents when they do the right thing, I'll

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Speaker 3: work with them.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I've felt the same way.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of people have come to me and said, oh,

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Speaker 1: come out and endorse me, and I'm like, I feel

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Speaker 1: the same way. It's something that has to be very personal.

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Speaker 1: I have to actually know the person and have seen

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Speaker 1: them outside of just their campaigning capacity, because I think

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Speaker 1: that what a person does once they're in office can

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Speaker 1: be really different than who they tell you they are.

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Speaker 1: And it's just so hard to know who someone really is.

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Speaker 1: It really is hard to know who someone really is

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Speaker 1: because I have I was a very naive person about

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Speaker 1: politics before running for office and before getting involved in this,

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Speaker 1: and I just kind of like, I like to assume

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Speaker 1: the best in people, and maybe now I've gone the

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Speaker 1: other way where I'm like, hmmm, I'm lary of everyone

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Speaker 1: because I've seemed too much just like my eyes have

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Speaker 1: been open.

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Speaker 2: Ah, everybody's horrible.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I would say, you know, people, Ronald Reagan said,

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Speaker 3: trust food verify. I say, don't trust food verify. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: don't trust very bad magicians. I don't. I'm not asking

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Speaker 3: you to trust me. Look at my voting record, if

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Speaker 3: people want to go and see my voting record. I

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Speaker 3: was the most conservative member of the Michigan delegation and

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Speaker 3: not buy a small margin, by a significant margin during

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Speaker 3: my ten years in Congress, and I served with Mike Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's no comparison between our voting records, and

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Speaker 3: it's not even close. Nobody who's followed us would think

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Speaker 3: it's close in terms of who's a more conservative representative.

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Speaker 3: The difference is I'm not a partisan. I'm nonpartisan. I'll

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Speaker 3: work with anyone, I'll challenge anyone. That's the difference.

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Speaker 2: No, I think.

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Speaker 1: I mean I told you before, I before I was

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Speaker 1: ever involved in politics, I went to one of your

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Speaker 1: town halls and I was like, oh, this is interesting.

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Speaker 1: And I looked at when you called me, I was like, huh,

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Speaker 1: all right, I mean, ver, I would love to sit

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Speaker 1: down and just talk, because you know, not many people

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Speaker 1: are willing to do that. And you took the time,

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Speaker 1: and I looked at your voting record and I was like,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting, there is I have a one vote hang up?

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Speaker 1: And is that fair? And I think that's something that

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Speaker 1: you know, I wrestle with, and I think that's something

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Speaker 1: that other people have to wrestle with. And but I

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Speaker 1: enjoy talking to you very much. I enjoy your perspective.

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Speaker 1: I do think that it is valuable to have the

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Speaker 1: perspective of someone whose parents did not grow up here.

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Speaker 1: And and truly, that to me is the American dream.

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Speaker 1: You come here, you start your own business, you are successful,

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Speaker 1: your children move on to run the business, and one

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Speaker 1: of your sons becomes a congressman. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: very powerful story, and it's a story that is rooted

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Speaker 1: in hardships that people oftentimes don't understand. And it gives

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Speaker 1: you a different perspective on how you choose what bills

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Speaker 1: to make and what bills to sign, and what bills

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Speaker 1: to support and what bills not to And I mean

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Speaker 1: I sort of look at that the same way with

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Speaker 1: Jade Vans, because even with him, I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how I feel about him, and I have to,

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Speaker 1: like I have to dig in and really pick through

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Speaker 1: what people have done and how they think. And so

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have you on because I want people

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Speaker 1: to pick through and think and think hard. And I

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Speaker 1: wanted them to hear your story and just to get

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Speaker 1: to know you. And as I said before, you and

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Speaker 1: I have talked about this is not an endorsement, because

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm going to do, but I

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Speaker 1: like talking to you and I wanted people to get

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Speaker 1: that opportunity to hear that conversation.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, and I really enjoyed this, and I appreciate that

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Speaker 3: you took the time to sit down with me, and

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Speaker 3: we got to know each other better and hopefully we'll

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Speaker 3: get to talk in the future many times.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Well, before I let you go, tell people where they

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Speaker 1: can look up up your stuff find out more about you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, please go to justinimash dot com, where if you

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Speaker 3: can support my campaign financially between now and August six,

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Speaker 3: that would be great, and you can also follow me

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Speaker 3: on Twitter and or x and Facebook at justin Amash.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you so much, thanks for being on today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Tutor, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And thank you all for joining us on the Tutor

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Speaker 1: Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others. Go to Tutor

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Speaker 1: diisonpodcast dot com, head over to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts, and join us next

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Speaker 1: time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Have a blessed day.