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Speaker 1: That is a recipe for eggnog by none other than

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Speaker 1: vernon accent I've heard so much about. Right, I'm no,

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Speaker 1: what's funny you should mention um Washington's nog because our

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Speaker 1: so formal at this point, you know, it sounds as though, uh,

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Speaker 1: they had a decision making process. But that's it was.

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Speaker 1: It had to be more sloppy and more emotionally charged.

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Speaker 1: He thought it was just that one room at first,

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Speaker 1: but it turns out it wasn't. Oh no, no, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: He then went into another room, and he was actually

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Speaker 1: followed by our boy jeff Davis, who tried to give

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Speaker 1: his compatriots the heads up by shouting, put away the

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Speaker 1: grog boys, old Hitchers, come in, Old Hitchcock. Uh. But

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Speaker 1: of course he was already there. He was literally there,

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Speaker 1: right behind him or right in front of him, so

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Speaker 1: you know, he he looked like a chump. Um. And

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Speaker 1: then Hitchcock ordered Jeffy to disperse and he agreed, which

433
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Speaker 1: is probably the one thing that saved him from getting

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Speaker 1: court martialed and expelled. Um. So you know, we can

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Speaker 1: thank Hitchcock and his kind hearted nature for you know,

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Speaker 1: Jefferson Davis is uh future in politics. Yeah, no one

437
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Speaker 1: knew what was going to happen at the time exactly.

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Speaker 1: So Davis is arrested. Others are arrested, uh ordered to

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Speaker 1: their rooms. And this is this is weird because we

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Speaker 1: asked at the top of the show what constitutes a riot.

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Speaker 1: Apparently Hitchcock read the group the Riot Act, which declared

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Speaker 1: any group of twelve or more unlawfully assembled. Wait, that's

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Speaker 1: a real thing, the Riot Act. That's what's all they

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Speaker 1: have it here. Do you say when you're reading someone

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Speaker 1: the Riot Act. That's literally like you're telling them their rights. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The original Riot Act again, real thing was passed back

447
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Speaker 1: in seventeen fourteen in Britain, and it essentially ruled that

448
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Speaker 1: if a group of a dozen or more people got

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Speaker 1: together and started acting unruly, an officer of the law

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Speaker 1: could approach them and tell them to disperse, but to

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Speaker 1: do so, they literally had to read the Riot Act.

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Speaker 1: So the Cadets are really poed right now because they

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Speaker 1: had this one party in their minds. It's one of

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Speaker 1: two nights they can let loose the entire year. Yeah,

455
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Speaker 1: because we can't forget that. It's it's you know, it's

456
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Speaker 1: hard to come in and like just change things overnight.

457
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Speaker 1: Like if they're used to having these parties, and then

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Speaker 1: you've got this, this this killjoy Fair coming in and

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Speaker 1: denying them their two nights of revelry a year. That's's

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Speaker 1: that's stings a little. You know, this was very refresh

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Speaker 1: for them. So here's where I start to lose sympathy

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Speaker 1: for the Cadets. Yeah. So after now they're angry at

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Speaker 1: Hitchcock for ruining the soiree to get together. They decide

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Speaker 1: to hunt the captain down, they decide that vengeance is theirs,

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Speaker 1: and we have a great quote for how that segment

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Speaker 1: of the night began. Yeah, Hitchcock took off and then um,

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Speaker 1: one of the drunken cadets screamed, get your dirks and

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Speaker 1: bayonets and pistols. If you have them before the night

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Speaker 1: is over, Hitchcock will be dead. So that's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's a threat of bodily harm to a superior officer.

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Speaker 1: That's probably not I'm not gonna fly right, right, right.

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Speaker 1: So there's a book written by James b Agnew called

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Speaker 1: The Eggnog Riot the Christmas Mutiny at West Point. Maybe

474
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Speaker 1: mutiny is a little better word, but again he did

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Speaker 1: read the riot. So so this book gives a minute

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Speaker 1: by minute treatment account or estimation about how things went

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Speaker 1: down and from that point. So, let's says around four

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Speaker 1: a m. Over the next two hours there was a

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Speaker 1: cat and mouse game between the drunk students, the faculty

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Speaker 1: of West Point and the sober students, you know, the

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Speaker 1: nerds who woke up to side with the faculty against

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Speaker 1: their fellow cadets. Yeah, and then the other guy, Thornton

483
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Speaker 1: in the other guard. He was had a sword brandished

484
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Speaker 1: in his face, he got brained with a piece of wood,

485
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: got knocked on his butt. And I think Hitchcock was

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Speaker 1: trying to break into a door that had been like barricaded,

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Speaker 1: and someone took a shot at him from the other

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Speaker 1: side of the door, the pistol. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: I think riot is absolutely fair, right, And just to

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Speaker 1: go back a second to establish how drunk these cadets

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Speaker 1: were when Hitchcock originally busted them. Several of them, No,

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Speaker 1: try to hide under blankets, like while he's there, Like,

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Speaker 1: if I just hide under this blanket, no one will

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Speaker 1: see me, right. I think some of them took their

495
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: hats and covered their faces, Like you think that's gonna work, right, right, right,

496
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Speaker 1: But what's what's going on? So this is where they

497
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Speaker 1: start doing incredible physical damage, not just threatening the officers,

498
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Speaker 1: but damaging the property as well, breaking windows, ripping banisters

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Speaker 1: off a staircases. Yeah, just like shredding the curtains, whatever

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Speaker 1: if they could get their hands on. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: was a melee um. And so Hitchcock and Thornton decided

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Speaker 1: they'd better call him the cavalry, and it was these

503
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Speaker 1: guys called the Bombardier's um who were the guards that

504
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: always kind of stood watched to make sure. It's sort

505
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: of like internal affairs for cops. You know, it's like

506
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: nobody likes internal affairs if you're a cop, because they're like,

507
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: it's like a snitch. So the cadets did not care

508
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Speaker 1: for the bombardiers, and once they got called in, um,

509
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: things just got even even nastier, right, because the cadets

510
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: hated these artillery men and they thought Hitchcock summoning them

511
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Speaker 1: was this quote affront to their integrity. And if you

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Speaker 1: read between the lines of history here, it sounds like

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Speaker 1: they were just sloshed enough that they were we're going

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Speaker 1: to get angry about anything. They were obviously having delusions

515
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: of grand are too. It's like, who the hell do

516
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: they think they are? You know, they were trained in warfare?

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Speaker 1: What am you're saying like their students at this school?

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Speaker 1: These are their commanding officers. There is a mill, you know,

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Speaker 1: two nights of partying a year or no, there is

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Speaker 1: a military structure in place here, right like this is

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Speaker 1: this just seems like a you know, a mass hysteria

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Speaker 1: kind of situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And as things went

523
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Speaker 1: further off the rails, it turned out that the bombardiers

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Speaker 1: or these artillery men never actually showed up, and slowly, painfully,

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Speaker 1: I would imagine these cadets began to sober up, but

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Speaker 1: not successfully, not in enough time to be up at

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Speaker 1: their scheduled hour, which was six am six am on

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Speaker 1: a regular day. They would be exactly. They were probably

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Speaker 1: not feeling super well. And finally, um, a man who

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Speaker 1: was the commandant of cadets. Sounds like a really intense name,

531
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Speaker 1: so like the king of cartoons from pue irmin. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there were a commandant of cadets. Um. He struck enough

533
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Speaker 1: fear into the hearts of these boys that they they

534
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: chilled out, They stopped breaking stuff. They were probably also

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Speaker 1: getting tired and puy yeah. Uh. Jefferson Davis, according to

536
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Speaker 1: the accounts, had missed the bulk of the night's events

537
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: because instead of resisting arrest, when he was put under

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Speaker 1: his rest, he uh stumbled to his room, threw up

539
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: a little bit, and passed out. So that actually turned

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Speaker 1: out well for him because he wasn't party to a

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Speaker 1: lot of the more violent events. In his memoirs, he

542
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: would later claim that he didn't name names or you know,

543
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: snitch on other people. Essentially, but the record show he

544
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 1: indicated that his roommate was involved in the conflict when

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00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: the cadet returned to their dorm, waking Davis up as

546
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: he loaded his gun. So his roommate was the one

547
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: who fired the shot. Not a good look, So fair was,

548
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, rightfully pretty upset. He he gathered a all

549
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: of his staff for an inquiry um on the next night,

550
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: and then over the following weeks they placed twenty two

551
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Speaker 1: cadets on restriction and then they started to develop an

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Speaker 1: investigation a court of inquiry uh and that was issued

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Speaker 1: by Major General Alexander McComb, who was the Chief Engineer

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Speaker 1: of the Army and Inspector of the Academy. And this

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00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: is actually from an article on the U. S. Army's

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Speaker 1: website egg And they have access to apparently a whole

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00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: lot of ink that was spilled over this thing in

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00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: terms of internal records. Because is a big deal, right, Oh, yeah,

559
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: of course a huge deal. It's a premier institution. And

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00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: we have the names of the cadets that we can

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Speaker 1: list off. I'm gonna do it very quickly. The cadets

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Speaker 1: were an Swith Berry and Bomford Burnley, Farely, Fitzgerald, Guard Guyan, Humphries, Johnson, Lewis, Mercer, Murdoch, Norville,

563
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: Robert Scriven, Stocker, Swords, and Thompson. They all stood trial

564
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: and uh other cadets, including Jefferson Davis and Robert Eally,

565
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: testified for the defense. Eleven of that group were dismissed

566
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Speaker 1: and the remainder were allowed to stay, although three of them, Guard,

567
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: Murdoch and Norvelle chose to leave the academy anyway. You

568
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: can't fire me. I quit indeed, And you know, and

569
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Speaker 1: that you might think there were way more people involved

570
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: in this than went down for it, right, yeah, but

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00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: you gotta think this was like a third of the

572
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: population of the school. And he was just getting things

573
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: moved away from the old ways, the old debaucherous ways

574
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: of West Point that sounds funny, um, getting things on

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Speaker 1: track for his government. He you know, he'd been given

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Speaker 1: some out of boys and he didn't want to lose everybody.

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00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: He just wanted, like the main aggressors to take the

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Speaker 1: fall and have it be a teachable moment, which I

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Speaker 1: can appreciate. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, tough but fair. And

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Speaker 1: so the riot included, as I believe you point out

581
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Speaker 1: earlier nearly one third of West Point students and it

582
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Speaker 1: changed the change the approach in the face of the

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Speaker 1: academy for decades to come. But West Points command historian

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Speaker 1: Sherman Fleek that name is on fleek? Is it is

585
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: literally on FLEEKU famously was incorrect when he said hardly

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00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: anyone knows about it if pooled among forty cadets, I

587
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 1: don't know why. I think he talks like, um, three

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00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: thousand federal employees, military staff and faculty. I doubt thirty

589
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: people will know a thing about this. Guy's not even

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00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: old timey. He's in our current day and age. It

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00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Why would I not do a voice? Right?

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00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: But way more than thirty people know about this, and uh,

593
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, more than thirty people should. Yeah, I don't know. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think nowadays eggnog is maybe remembered less as the

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Speaker 1: source of uh drunken riotous revelry at West Point and

596
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: more of a non alcoholic kind of holiday drink. You know,

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Speaker 1: my kid likes segnog. We have eggnog milkshakes. It sonic

598
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: and you know egg frappuccinos Starbucks. Yeah, and eggnog is

599
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: certainly not associated with crazy college party has gone wrong.

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Speaker 1: That's more of a Yeager bomb thing. That's true. My

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Speaker 1: whole thing with eggno because it's got so much sugar

602
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: and milk and cream in it, it just seems like

603
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: it would make you sick before you get drunk enough.

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00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 1: It feels like a Lebowski drink to me, just drink

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00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: the whiskey, man, drink the whiskey. Just is that? Is

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Speaker 1: that our p s A? Is that our moral for

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00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: this today's episode? Why not just drink the whiskey and

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00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: the rum and the wine, whatever you got. Uh, we

609
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: are going to wrap it up. We would like to

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Speaker 1: hear from you. Does this change the way you feel

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Speaker 1: about West Point? I don't know why we're going we're

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Speaker 1: going with that question. Uh, we want to hear about

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Speaker 1: your experience with agnog. Do you have your own eggnog recipe?

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of people do, you know. Our composer

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Speaker 1: Alex Williams, as as you said, modeled his after George Washington,

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Speaker 1: but he had to figure out the amount of eggs himself. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And why not make a batch of your own George

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Speaker 1: Washington eggnog and send us a note and let us

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Speaker 1: know how you liked it. It's ridiculous at how stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. You can also write us on the

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Speaker 1: facebooks um where we are ridiculous history and we have

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Speaker 1: a nifty new Facebook group called the Ridiculous Historians where

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Speaker 1: you can find your fellow listeners hipping each other to

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Speaker 1: ridiculous stories throughout the span of human civilization. You can

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Speaker 1: also find us two jokers on there as well. Yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we lark. We hey, we comment as well and uh

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Speaker 1: we do also look to this page for inspiration for

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Speaker 1: future topics, so thanks to everyone who's already made so

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Speaker 1: many excellent suggestions. You can also find us on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram. You can find us

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Speaker 1: wherever you get podcasts. Oh gosh, that's right. We even

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Speaker 1: have a website. Do you know that I didn't know? That?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it Ridiculous History Show dot com spot on my friend.

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Speaker 1: That's where you can find every episode that we have

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Speaker 1: ever done. So check it out and let us know

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Speaker 1: what you would like to hear. Next. We'll be getting

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Speaker 1: some fantastic emails and we it always makes our day

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Speaker 1: to read them, and as always we want to thank

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Speaker 1: our super producer and eggnog enthusiast. Wait, let me check

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Speaker 1: Casey now, okay, super producer Casey Pegram, who was not

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Speaker 1: an odd guy. I think Casey would probably agree with

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Speaker 1: me in saying, just drink the whiskey, man, Just drink

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Speaker 1: the whiskey. And we want to thank Lori L. Dove,

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Speaker 1: our regular contributor, for her excellent article on how stuff works.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I guess most importantly other than thanking you, Ben, oh,

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Speaker 1: thank you know. Let men do this every time. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, you know, Let's not force it, Let's just

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Speaker 1: let it happen. Okay, I'm up into that. We'd like

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Speaker 1: to thank you folks for listening to the show, and

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Speaker 1: we hope you'll join us for our next episode, where

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Speaker 1: we talk about weird people who built weird stuff. That

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Speaker 1: is literally going to be the title. Let see then,