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Speaker 2: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 4: And it is time to get things cooking on the
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five NFL season. We are one week away
Speaker 4: from the start of NFL free agency. We just wrapped
Speaker 4: up the combine and the big Green Notebook is filling up.
Speaker 4: On this edition of Mix Shots Plus, we welcome back
Speaker 4: Everson Walls.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 4: Hi, Everson Walls.
Speaker 1: How are you, ladies and gentlemen. I am feeling just fine.
Speaker 1: I am a blank slate. Does that mean? That means whatever?
Speaker 1: Anything you want to talk about, listening, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to talk about now, I have no idea. Join the rest.
Speaker 1: Timeline is just it's a blank slate. Join the rest
Speaker 1: of the crowd.
Speaker 4: It hasn't been listening ever since the Eagles won the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, and now it's time to pursue the next
Speaker 4: Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: This thing looks like it's swelling.
Speaker 1: It is it is.
Speaker 4: It is the Green Notebook is starting to fill up.
Speaker 3: That's got it in.
Speaker 1: I start.
Speaker 4: I start when the combine starts.
Speaker 1: That's a continuation. That's not that's not Part two. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Part one is the original down there.
Speaker 3: This is the yearly.
Speaker 4: That's the that's the yearly one. That's the whole league.
Speaker 4: This is draft process, all right. I had to fill
Speaker 4: up this page just to get the coaches, right, all
Speaker 4: these coaches with all this energy.
Speaker 1: I like that because you took your failed law experience
Speaker 1: and you applied it to the information here.
Speaker 4: No, it wasn't a failed law experience. I graduated from
Speaker 4: law school in one month. Okay, Yeah, that's the way
Speaker 4: I look at.
Speaker 1: I don't think I didn't.
Speaker 4: I don't think graduated law school after one month.
Speaker 1: I graduated graduated loosely.
Speaker 3: He left, you know, so when you referred to the
Speaker 3: coaching staff, this is going to be the double E
Speaker 3: coaching staff energy and excitement.
Speaker 1: All right. I like that. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: And they were all in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4: You were all in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: You did all the interviews there. He did interviews and
Speaker 1: everything of certain players. The process.
Speaker 3: That's part of the process, that's probably the biggest part. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, the other stuff's all recorded. You could sit
Speaker 3: here and come back and watch it. But it's the
Speaker 3: interviews that I think are the most important thing going on.
Speaker 3: You get all those guys there, you I think they
Speaker 3: I think I read somewhere where they had forty interviews
Speaker 3: over the week schedule.
Speaker 4: Well they I believe it's forty five. Is the number
Speaker 4: of interviews that each team can have a formal interviews.
Speaker 1: It's forty five.
Speaker 4: And then you have what they call the thirty visits.
Speaker 4: You can have thirty prospects that come on campus here.
Speaker 1: That's in addition to Dallas Day.
Speaker 4: Which will be early April, where player prospects who either
Speaker 4: went to high school in the Dallas Fort Worth area
Speaker 4: or went to college in the Dallas Forth area SMUTCU,
Speaker 4: North Texas, they can come and actually can work out here.
Speaker 4: That's that's in early April.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought somebody tried to make an item
Speaker 3: out of them not talking to Ashton Genty at the combine.
Speaker 4: Well, he's right down the road.
Speaker 1: He's eligible.
Speaker 4: He would not only be eligible for a thirty day visit,
Speaker 4: or you can just have him here for Dallas Day too,
Speaker 4: so so or can you make Boston just walk over here.
Speaker 1: How long that puss. It's been a while. For a while.
Speaker 1: It's been because nobody interviewed me. It wasn't that long.
Speaker 4: No, they didn't realize and they didn't bring you to
Speaker 4: the combine.
Speaker 1: Was there?
Speaker 4: When did the Combine start? Eighty seven or so?
Speaker 3: We're in the eighties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was after ever since day plus not I.
Speaker 3: Mean formal interviews at the Combine. You can also have
Speaker 3: the bump into oh hey, let me introduce me.
Speaker 4: And the other thing is for the players who went
Speaker 4: to the Shrine Bowl, which was right here, or the
Speaker 4: Senior Senior Bowl. I mean, interviews are gone on there.
Speaker 4: There's a number of players who were at the Senior
Speaker 4: Bowl who didn't get formal interviews at the Combine because
Speaker 4: they took care of their formal interviews at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: Any regulations at the HBCU Bowl.
Speaker 1: Okay, I had one. I was, well, they didn't call
Speaker 1: it HBCU.
Speaker 4: Then had an interview.
Speaker 1: No, well yeah, we no, I didn't No, No, I
Speaker 1: just okay, so what going back?
Speaker 3: What about now?
Speaker 1: What about it didn't have the Yes, they had a
Speaker 1: show hbc players. Yes, yes, they do have that, and
Speaker 1: that's something that is that a track scout Harris, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Doug Wisiam and Shack Harris was instrumental in bringing that
Speaker 1: to New Orleans as part of their whole outreach that
Speaker 1: they've been trying to do, you know, since they've been
Speaker 1: in the league and in a position. And yes, they
Speaker 1: do have a lot of scouts come down there for that. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some of those guys, uh that aren't graduating. They're talking
Speaker 1: about the the Tigers, Grahama Tigers. They lost a player.
Speaker 1: Number six was his number in the Bayou Classic. He
Speaker 1: was all over the place. I'm pretty sure he's not
Speaker 1: coming back to Gramblin. He's one of those players that's
Speaker 1: gonna be it's.
Speaker 4: Either the draft or the transfer port.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's on transfer. This kid man, he
Speaker 1: was Oh my goodness. Uh, I know I heard about
Speaker 1: the stud from South Carolina, right, the guy I think
Speaker 1: he's a long safety. Yeah, he had that guy could
Speaker 1: compare to him. And I say he was number six
Speaker 1: in the Bio Classic for Grambling. I don't remember his name,
Speaker 1: but I know that he was all over the plot.
Speaker 4: I believe the South Carolina safety they played against Oklahoma
Speaker 4: and I think he had three pick sixes.
Speaker 1: In the first five.
Speaker 4: Minutes of that game, no way, like I know he
Speaker 4: had I believe he had won. And they had three
Speaker 4: interceptions the first five minutes of the game.
Speaker 3: Who was playing quarterback?
Speaker 4: Well, it was Michael Hawkins at that point, but they
Speaker 4: went back to Jackson.
Speaker 1: What's going on with our team?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 1: What's happening? What is happening? We don't Oklahoma.
Speaker 6: We don't talk about We got a quarterback, we share
Speaker 6: We shared things with Oklahoma, you know, behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: What is going on with Oklahoma?
Speaker 4: Man? We'll just let's don't get off track. Let's cast
Speaker 4: on that off track.
Speaker 1: We're not getting off track. Let's talk.
Speaker 4: Nick Emm and Wory from South Carolina man six three,
Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty pounds. He ran a four to
Speaker 4: three eight with a get this wait at two hundred
Speaker 4: and twenty pounds, he ran a four to three eight. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that is well, Michaeh I was questioning as Micah. Micaeh
Speaker 4: ran a four three eight at two hundred and forty
Speaker 4: six pounds. Nick Emm and Worry a one forty nine
Speaker 4: ten yard split. You get under one fifty in it's
Speaker 4: something else forty three vertical, forty three vertical and what
Speaker 4: I was looking and an eleven six broad up, which
Speaker 4: is still six inches short of Byron Jones's twelve foot
Speaker 4: broad job.
Speaker 1: But Biban Jones was what my height? My size right?
Speaker 4: Six one?
Speaker 1: What are you? Yeah? Six to two? Okay? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: yeah what about the same size.
Speaker 4: But you talk about the guy six three yeah, twenty Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the twenty eleven feet eleven six.
Speaker 3: So he could eleven and twenty yard lining straight up
Speaker 3: and knock the ball.
Speaker 4: And plus I'm pretty sure if it's the same guy,
Speaker 4: he's a playmaker too. Yeah, so he's moving up the charts.
Speaker 4: Here arrow pointed up for nick emmin Worri from seven.
Speaker 4: I think, uh huh, that's right.
Speaker 3: So tomorrow we have a deadline, right, we do March fourth.
Speaker 4: By the way, there's another former South Carolina player we'll
Speaker 4: talk about on this edition the mix shots too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tomorrow there is I wanted Cowboys to draft in
Speaker 3: the first place.
Speaker 1: That would be debo.
Speaker 4: But there is a deadline three o'clock tomorrow afternoon where
Speaker 4: teams need to if they're going to place a franchise
Speaker 4: tag on a one of these free agent players. That's
Speaker 4: their deadline, and it appears that a team that we
Speaker 4: cover might be poised.
Speaker 1: To do that. Yeah, I think they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they can't get osa Re signed ahead of time
Speaker 3: to a long term deal.
Speaker 1: I ahead of time meaning win again. When is it
Speaker 1: three o'clock tomorrow? Yeah, then they will.
Speaker 3: Now tag him, which will allow them to continue negotiating
Speaker 3: for a long term deal. And if i'm osa I'm
Speaker 3: signing that franchise tag at three oh one, which guarantees
Speaker 3: me no less than twenty five million on a one
Speaker 3: year deal.
Speaker 4: How about that with defensive tackles.
Speaker 3: Now, it was more than the defensive ends.
Speaker 4: The defensive tackle franchise tag is more than the defensive
Speaker 4: end franchise tag. It's twenty five point one million for
Speaker 4: defensive tackles and.
Speaker 3: Twenty two I got it, twenty two for defensive ends.
Speaker 1: Why is that.
Speaker 4: Guy because of the Chris Jones of the world. It's
Speaker 4: based on the top five salaries in the league.
Speaker 1: At that position.
Speaker 4: And now the defensive there are a handful of defensive
Speaker 4: tackles in the league that are getting humongous money. What
Speaker 4: also has happened on it is you're designated a defensive end.
Speaker 4: We're comparing it to the edge guys, and the edge
Speaker 4: guys would be the ones that normally would get the
Speaker 4: larger money. But what's happened on that is the designation
Speaker 4: and a lot of these three four teams, you're designated
Speaker 4: as an outside linebacker or a defensive end. Look at
Speaker 4: what the linebackers are now, see the linebackers are twenty
Speaker 4: five to four, So typically an inside linebacker is not
Speaker 4: going to get twenty five four. You're not going typically
Speaker 4: you will not franchise stag an inside linebacker because they
Speaker 4: don't usually make that kind of money. But an outside
Speaker 4: linebacker is an edge guy. And so it's just it's
Speaker 4: basically a terminology thing where guys that are well think
Speaker 4: of the Khalil Max of the world whatever, the high
Speaker 4: dollar edge guys, they're designating them as outside linebackers in
Speaker 4: the three four like a T. J.
Speaker 1: Watt rather than so, how is this related to the
Speaker 1: inside guys all of a sudden getting this consideration.
Speaker 4: Because about the defensive tackles. There's there's five defensive tackles
Speaker 4: and I can look them up that are getting salaries
Speaker 4: that are.
Speaker 3: Average act and a lot thanks to Chris Jones.
Speaker 1: So then we're talking about the situation that can. It's fluid,
Speaker 1: as they call it. It's it's a fluid situation.
Speaker 4: It's not something now now Michael Parsons, Mike, Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4: He's listed on the roster as a linebacker, right and
Speaker 4: so he would go in.
Speaker 3: For fifty air option for him was twenty.
Speaker 4: The linebacker right, okay, and so Micah okay, when he's
Speaker 4: rushing the passer, he's basically a defensive end right in
Speaker 4: because it's a four man front in the nickel, okay,
Speaker 4: But he's going to be designated as an outside as
Speaker 4: a linebacker when it comes to negotiation a franchise tag
Speaker 4: next year or whatever, and so he goes into that
Speaker 4: category and a DeMarcus Lawrence is in the defensive end.
Speaker 1: Category for now.
Speaker 3: The other thing with Micah, since he will make twenty
Speaker 3: five million this year, and if the franchise tag the
Speaker 3: next year is just twenty five million or one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty percent rays of your last year's contract, so
Speaker 3: he would get one hundred and twenty percent of twenty
Speaker 3: five million, and.
Speaker 4: It basically that would be thirty million.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would be his tag number.
Speaker 3: So it's either or if you're coming off a high
Speaker 3: base salary.
Speaker 1: So it just depends on what the market bas Yes,
Speaker 1: that's your same, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the market's going to bear more because the salary
Speaker 3: cap went up. So when the salary cap goes up,
Speaker 3: all these other things because previously I had looked at
Speaker 3: I'll just give you an example. New England had the
Speaker 3: most salary cap space before they increase the cap. They
Speaker 3: had I have here in one hundred. They're up to
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty nine point seven million in space
Speaker 3: against the cap. So they basically could do ten things
Speaker 3: and fail on five of them, and they could absorb
Speaker 3: it because they've got so much cap space. Same thing
Speaker 3: with Washington, by the way, and we'll get to that.
Speaker 3: Before the cap got set, they were at sixty eight
Speaker 3: million available. Now they're at eighty three million available.
Speaker 1: Because but but that that just goes towards the team itself.
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about a particular position.
Speaker 3: Good, that goes up too, because what's the cap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does go up, but it is now you're saying,
Speaker 1: the defensive tackles are gonna go up even higher over
Speaker 1: the defensive ends at this point. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Because of the average of the top.
Speaker 1: And here here they are. Okay, here's your uh.
Speaker 4: This is average per year top five defensive tackles in
Speaker 4: the league. Chris jones Is average per year is thirty
Speaker 4: one point seventy five million, Christian Wilkins is twenty seven
Speaker 4: point five million, nom Di Madebuque is twenty four point five,
Speaker 4: Alee McNeil is twenty four point twenty five, and Derek
Speaker 4: Brown twenty four million.
Speaker 1: Quinn Williams is also twenty four million.
Speaker 4: So the average of the top five there figures out
Speaker 4: the twenty five.
Speaker 1: That's what the way that it comes from. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 4: Cults, and so I can. I'll give you just as
Speaker 4: an example. Well, on over the cap, they just got
Speaker 4: edge rusher. Here are the edge rushers. And that's that's
Speaker 4: the way I think they should do it right. They
Speaker 4: should Rather than designating defensive end versus outside versus linebacker,
Speaker 4: they should they should have a category that says edge
Speaker 4: these are and so that way you would include the
Speaker 4: three four outside backers and the four to three defensive end.
Speaker 1: But here you go for the edge rushers.
Speaker 4: Nick Bosa is at thirty four million, Josh heinz Allen
Speaker 4: twenty eight point twenty five Brian Burns twenty eight point two, TJ.
Speaker 4: Watt twenty eight million, Miles Garrett twenty five. If they
Speaker 4: had the designation edge, then that would be a higher
Speaker 4: number than what you're getting there with the defensive ends
Speaker 4: and the linebackers.
Speaker 1: So then what is your opinion on why they.
Speaker 4: Won't negotiation between the Players Association and the owners.
Speaker 3: I would think, yeah, the NFLPA, and it's got to
Speaker 3: be negotiated.
Speaker 4: How they set that, okay, and so because then you
Speaker 4: look at the linebackers and it's much lower, and these
Speaker 4: are inside backers. Rokwan Smith is it twenty million? Fred
Speaker 4: Warner nineteen, Tremaine Edmonds eighteen, Matt Mulono fourteen point one,
Speaker 4: Patrick Quinn thirteen point seven. I saw it so the
Speaker 4: player from the players Association perspective, they likely won it
Speaker 4: this way because it's helping your linebackers as a whole,
Speaker 4: because if you factor in edge guys as linebackers, outside
Speaker 4: linebackers as linebackers, it's helping the whole linebacker and it's
Speaker 4: not hurting the defensive ends as much.
Speaker 3: Although I did see with Fred Warner with his restructures
Speaker 3: and signing bonuses, he would hit the San Francisco cap
Speaker 3: for twenty nine million this year, which is pretty rich,
Speaker 3: so they probably got to do which on segues to, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Devo's gone, but even if he's gone, his dead money
Speaker 3: is thirty one million.
Speaker 1: So well, if they would have kept him, then how
Speaker 1: much would it be? And obviously they made a decision
Speaker 1: for a reason, so the alternative must be even greater.
Speaker 3: Here here's his deal. I got this printed out. He's
Speaker 3: got an option bonus March twenty first, and if they
Speaker 3: activate the option.
Speaker 1: Bonus for Deo for Debo, he was going to be.
Speaker 3: San Francisco put an option bonus in there, and they
Speaker 3: put voided years to divide it by five.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: If they activated it, he was going to be like
Speaker 3: fifteen million, but he was going to another in the
Speaker 3: years that he's not there. So that's another thing Washington
Speaker 3: has got to deal with because right now he's got
Speaker 3: a seventeen point five million dollar one year hit for
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five and it has a lot to do
Speaker 3: with the option bonuts fifteen point four million, So yes,
Speaker 3: San Francisco, but they'll end up with a thirty one million.
Speaker 3: See this is what everybody forgets, Like, well, how did
Speaker 3: they afford this, this, and this, Well they did until
Speaker 3: now now they got thirty one million in dead money
Speaker 3: trying to trade him for I can't believe just a fifth.
Speaker 4: Well it's because of the money involved, right right, And
Speaker 4: it gets and just like people couldn't believe the Amari Cooper.
Speaker 3: For a fifth, right right. So you know at some
Speaker 3: point you got to pay the piper. Yeah, even though
Speaker 3: you pushed it around and it looks like you succeeded.
Speaker 3: So San Francisco pushed it around and they ain't got
Speaker 3: that Super Bowl yet, and so you know, everybody says, well,
Speaker 3: what's the big deal, Well, it is a big deal. Eventually,
Speaker 3: you got to be careful.
Speaker 4: And they've got a quarterback that they're having to sign
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, I've heard him. They said they want to
Speaker 1: make it as attractive as possible. Right.
Speaker 3: So, and if you noticed when we were talking about
Speaker 3: oh soo, when got out that the Cowboys were negotiating
Speaker 3: or talking with the agent at the combine, it was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is impending to happen. Well, talk is cheap. It's
Speaker 3: signing on the dotted line that you got to be
Speaker 3: aware of it. And by the way, until the cowboys
Speaker 3: exercise the trigger the clauses in the contracts of Dakh
Speaker 3: and probably Ceedee Lamb and maybe Terrence Steele. Right now,
Speaker 3: they have one point thirty nine million in available space,
Speaker 3: so they got to do that before they can do anything.
Speaker 4: But contrast that to Washington before the debot right trade,
Speaker 4: they were at I think eighty million.
Speaker 3: Eighty three eighty three point seven, right, so they could
Speaker 3: they could they could take the one the one year
Speaker 3: charge and not have that money pro rated over three
Speaker 3: or four years and have to keep paying for it,
Speaker 3: or they can redo his entire contract, right, and the
Speaker 3: contract starts at at least seventeen million.
Speaker 1: And see that's always the dilemma.
Speaker 3: And you get your money up front because Debo asked
Speaker 3: for the trade because this was the last year of
Speaker 3: his of his contract and he knew want to play
Speaker 3: the last year of the contract.
Speaker 1: We'll see, there's there's this this two ways of looking
Speaker 1: at it. There's like a profit and laws statement over
Speaker 1: here that you want to keep right back, and over
Speaker 1: here you just want to win, and you say, to
Speaker 1: hell with profit and loss, We're gonna we're gonna all
Speaker 1: that chaos that we created over here in the statement.
Speaker 1: Forget that we're gonna go all in and win this
Speaker 1: championship and win the super Bowl.
Speaker 3: The problem is what are the percentages of you winning
Speaker 3: the whole thing? Because if you don't, then.
Speaker 1: You still got these problems.
Speaker 3: It's double Jeppards. Yeah yeah, yeah, So, which is happening
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia a little bit right now because they've got
Speaker 3: some guys that they might not be able to afford
Speaker 3: to re sign Josh. But what they'll be like, uh,
Speaker 3: but they said we want it so big deal.
Speaker 1: They'll be They'll be like the guy to say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: worth it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well it's like what's It's always worth it until
Speaker 3: it's not.
Speaker 4: And see, and that's what happened with the Rams. They
Speaker 4: went for it and they got it, got it, they
Speaker 4: got it. Yeah, and then the next couple of years
Speaker 4: they paid the price for it. But they've done a
Speaker 4: really good job of restocking. And it gets back to
Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford and the decision made on Friday. The Matthew
Speaker 4: Stafford is staying with we haven't heard a number on
Speaker 4: that deal, No, we have not, No, but it's got
Speaker 4: to be going to be big.
Speaker 1: Over fifty million dollars you would average.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and how many how many years do you want
Speaker 3: to do that for? Because what is he? Is he thirty?
Speaker 1: Sorry? Seven?
Speaker 3: Probably that's what I thought I saw thirty seven? Yeah,
Speaker 3: because Karon Rodgers forty one.
Speaker 4: He was in Detroit for a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes you old, That makes you old back then. Yeah.
Speaker 4: All right, we got much, much, much more to get
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Speaker 3: Neither one of them were drafted, Cavante Turpin and Marquise Bell.
Speaker 3: And they've got to tender those guys.
Speaker 1: And how's he doing Marquis Bell? And as far as
Speaker 1: we happened and the injuries concerned.
Speaker 3: Did he he get hurt at the end, Yeah, got hurt.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember he was out for the season,
Speaker 1: out for the rest of the season. Mm hmm, come on, Mickey,
Speaker 1: come on, you can do it. You can do it
Speaker 1: house quickly we began. I tell you, I saw guys always.
Speaker 1: He was on everyone's lips before quite some time. Now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we got nothing. We got nothing
Speaker 1: on Marque's bell. You forgot that Frisco.
Speaker 4: Frisco is upset with Mickey right now, fam you guy,
Speaker 4: Marc east Bell.
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I was trying to see when he when
Speaker 3: he got hurt. So he ended up playing in nine games.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say so, I think it was the
Speaker 1: ninth game he got hurt.
Speaker 3: I would imagine real good Bill, although he was inactive
Speaker 3: one game a game, you never know, but you got
Speaker 3: to decide, and you know, what do you do with
Speaker 3: Cavante Turpel.
Speaker 4: Well, here's the other thing with Marquise Bell. Okay, he
Speaker 4: was playing middle linebacker for dan Quinn, that's right. And
Speaker 4: then he doesn't get on the field on the defense
Speaker 4: under Mike Zimmer. So how's Matt Eberflus feel about him?
Speaker 3: And we probably haven't asked that question, right, So, and
Speaker 3: it was a dislocated shoulder that he suffered, okay, and
Speaker 3: needed surgery to repair his shoulder, and I, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know when they work out, but I haven't
Speaker 3: seen him out there. Dak was out there again always
Speaker 3: and I'm assuming that was Sam Williams maybe with them, Okay,
Speaker 3: who seems to be moving along just fine.
Speaker 4: What would motivate you more if you made what Dak
Speaker 4: makes to get out on the practice field, or if
Speaker 4: you didn't have a contract.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well probably if I didn't have a contract, Because
Speaker 3: Dak's got guaranteed right money.
Speaker 4: It says a lot about him that he gets out there.
Speaker 4: And even though it's he's got it made as far
Speaker 4: as life goes, he's.
Speaker 1: He's been out there, I mean got he's been out
Speaker 1: there every day, seems like.
Speaker 3: Through the crutches of one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think either way that I would be out there
Speaker 4: if I made the kind of money Deck made or
Speaker 4: the other way around.
Speaker 3: So let me go back to a certain.
Speaker 4: Responsibility that comes with making that kind of money.
Speaker 3: Would you tender Cavante Turpin as a first round draft
Speaker 3: compensation or second round.
Speaker 4: Or tell us what those monies are?
Speaker 3: So a first round tender is seven point four million?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: Ever since listen up here, seven point four million.
Speaker 3: Second round compensation is five point three and if you
Speaker 3: want to take a chance on your original draft round,
Speaker 3: which he did not have because he was not drafted,
Speaker 3: three point two million and tell us and you get
Speaker 3: no rounds compensation for that.
Speaker 4: So basically, if another if he had a tender of whatever,
Speaker 4: that money was that for the the entry level was
Speaker 4: a three point the entry level number was what being
Speaker 4: undrafted entry?
Speaker 3: Oh the compensation, Yeah, you would tender at three point two.
Speaker 4: So another team could sign him and not give up
Speaker 4: any draft picks because he wasn't drafted in your own
Speaker 4: but at the seven million dollar figure. The other team,
Speaker 4: if they signed him, they would have to give up
Speaker 4: a first round draft pick Cowboys, and the second round
Speaker 4: is the five million whatever, So I would think that
Speaker 4: they would go in the five million.
Speaker 1: Second round, the second round.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know.
Speaker 4: That it would be necessary to tender him at the
Speaker 4: first round because I'm not sure. I don't believe another
Speaker 4: team would give up a first round pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, but they might give up a second round pick,
Speaker 3: like those teams that have all the money.
Speaker 1: Here, oh Cavane, Oh yeah, man.
Speaker 3: Those teams that have all the money.
Speaker 4: That oh Okay, so okay, something think of it. Ever,
Speaker 4: soon you're another team. Cavante Turpin is available on a
Speaker 4: one year, seven and a half million whatever it is.
Speaker 4: But you have to but you have to give up
Speaker 4: a first round draft pick.
Speaker 1: Would you do it?
Speaker 3: I would see to me, it's not about the money.
Speaker 3: It's about the draft pick, right, I can. I got
Speaker 3: eighty million in caps, and.
Speaker 1: You can match.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys can match, right, I think a second.
Speaker 1: So it won't cost you eighty million. Avon.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying I'm just eighty million. I have
Speaker 3: eighty million available. I know, I'm just yeah, but it
Speaker 3: cost me a first round that's valuable.
Speaker 1: That is valuable. But man, he's valuable, Yes, especially team.
Speaker 1: That's why I will There was certain games where he
Speaker 1: was the only offense we had.
Speaker 4: We forget the special teams aspect of it.
Speaker 1: What does he talk about? The position brings to us? Well?
Speaker 4: But even all right, how is this new coaching staff
Speaker 4: going offensive? Coaching staff playing to utilize him?
Speaker 1: Probably the best way possible, and that is to rely
Speaker 1: hit the darn ball in his hands, yes, right, to
Speaker 1: rely on him as a playmaker, Like you said, we
Speaker 1: just I'm just thinking special teams, not even to mention
Speaker 1: how we could use him in special packages and things.
Speaker 1: On offense he.
Speaker 3: Had in his limited availability as a wide receiver, he
Speaker 3: had thirty one catches and two touchdowns. He ran, I
Speaker 3: want to say you and one in. No, I take
Speaker 3: that back, he did.
Speaker 1: What about doing a deal with.
Speaker 3: Him, or you would like to I've seen the Cowboys
Speaker 3: say he.
Speaker 4: Thinks there's negotiations going on right now for Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 3: I would think, so.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the interesting thing about.
Speaker 3: The deal, and you'll make say you double the five million,
Speaker 3: you're going to make eleven million.
Speaker 4: And if it looks like you're making five million this year, right,
Speaker 4: and next year you're going to be thirty years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he turns twenty nine August.
Speaker 3: Second, and the key thing for him is, and they've
Speaker 3: done this before, is they pay you a signing bonus,
Speaker 3: so you get some money up front. I would like
Speaker 3: the money up front.
Speaker 1: On second thought, No, I would not give up a
Speaker 1: first found I would not give a first round pick four,
Speaker 1: but damn I would want to keep it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just hav him for one year, yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 3: Or you give him a tender and then I think
Speaker 3: you can renegotiate that thing too.
Speaker 1: He is a unique talent, and I mean that in
Speaker 1: every possible positive way possible. Everything that we've asked him
Speaker 1: to do, he's done it, and he's taken it to
Speaker 1: the next level for him to be so integral in
Speaker 1: our plans as far as field position, he was a
Speaker 1: threat every time he touched the ball, just on kickoff returns,
Speaker 1: and that's something that we hadn't had around here in
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 3: And even if he didn't return it for a touchdown,
Speaker 3: the average set a it was the NFL high.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's unique. He's very unique in a definitely
Speaker 1: a good way.
Speaker 3: Nick Sorenson needs to walk into the room and say,
Speaker 3: I want this makes my job easier.
Speaker 4: What do we may need to explain for those of
Speaker 4: you who are paying attention. Nick Sorenson is the special
Speaker 4: teams coordinator for the Cowboy.
Speaker 3: That's right, former defensive coordinator too, So as a defensive coordinator,
Speaker 3: he understands what Cavante Turpin brings to an offense.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, all right, I'm now searching for that flag
Speaker 4: football stuff. Get out here.
Speaker 3: We got so much to talk about, we do.
Speaker 4: And so we decided what we're doing with OSA. What
Speaker 4: OSA is basically looking at. Let's look at those defensive
Speaker 4: tackle numbers again, what were they there in the range.
Speaker 1: Of twenty five.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's basically what you're looking at. So he
Speaker 4: would probably on a long term deal, he's probably looking
Speaker 4: in the neighborhood of four years, ninety million plus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're going to get money up front because
Speaker 3: if you just play for the franchise tag, while it's guaranteed,
Speaker 3: you get it over eighteen weeks. But if you sign
Speaker 3: a long term deal, you get a signing bonus. I
Speaker 3: could put about thirty million. I'm not an accountant in
Speaker 3: the bank somewhere for as little as five percent. That's
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: He sounded like Jean Stalin's trying to get me to
Speaker 1: sign the Cowboys contract. That was a bunch of.
Speaker 3: Crap, which, by the way, Bill Jones pointed last night.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys back of the day, the Cowboys and put
Speaker 1: pressure on you from every angle. We'll talk to me
Speaker 1: about Zeus.
Speaker 4: It's very timely, very very timely in fact, that George
Speaker 4: t on our show last night to talk about coach
Speaker 4: Gene Stallings.
Speaker 1: That's his boy.
Speaker 4: He turned ninety years old yesterday, so we paid tribute
Speaker 4: to Jeene Stallings and he's living in Paris, still still
Speaker 4: living years old branch, so we still can't with the damn.
Speaker 3: When we went up there, it was twenty seventeen and
Speaker 3: we did a Legends documentary show on him. So how
Speaker 3: many years that eight years ago? He was still riding
Speaker 3: his horse, still riding the horse to inspect defences on
Speaker 3: his ranch. And I said, so when you find one
Speaker 3: that needs repair, who do you call? He goes, call
Speaker 3: I fix it. I was like, well, you're eighty two
Speaker 3: three years old. He goes, that's right. I'm not paying
Speaker 3: somebody to do that. I can do it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Ersity of Alabama, a couple of professors at Alabama put
Speaker 4: together a great documentary on Gene Stallings and it highlighted
Speaker 4: him and of course his son John arc and it
Speaker 4: was great. George actually invited me to a screening of
Speaker 4: it in McKinney a month or so ago, and it
Speaker 4: is really, really well done. It needs to be widely released,
Speaker 4: and not only from the standpoint of Coach Stallings it's
Speaker 4: called do right the Stalling standard, but also from the
Speaker 4: perspective of John Mark who passed away at age forty
Speaker 4: six in two thousand and.
Speaker 1: Eight, and years longer than that, well well thirty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he was actually not only born with Down syndrome,
Speaker 4: but also had a congenital heart defect, which is was
Speaker 4: his cause of death at age forty six. But what
Speaker 4: I didn't realize back then when he was born nineteen
Speaker 4: early nineteen sixties, usually when a child was born with
Speaker 4: Down syndrome, they just put him in a home, you know.
Speaker 4: And the Stalling said, no, he's not going in a home.
Speaker 4: We're raising him and a sister. And I get goosebumps
Speaker 4: just talking about it. The think about the impact that
Speaker 4: Johnny had, uh and through coach.
Speaker 1: Thank God for Johnny right because coach Coach Stallings would
Speaker 1: have been a handful, right, he didn't have someone like
Speaker 1: john Mark soft soft them up just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's been mind.
Speaker 4: Coach Stallings was one of the Junction Boys and Brian
Speaker 4: Texas and then he became after John Mark was born.
Speaker 4: He was became the head coach at Texas A and
Speaker 4: M in the mid sixties and then became the Cowboys
Speaker 4: secondary coach starting in nineteen seventy two through eighty five
Speaker 4: in your first years of your career here then the
Speaker 4: Cardinals head coach, and then goes to Alabama when's the
Speaker 4: national championship?
Speaker 1: Georgia just like looking just like Bear Bryant, sound on
Speaker 1: the sideline, his voice. That was some weird stuff for that,
Speaker 1: that whole process to go to him coaching back at Alabama.
Speaker 3: Well, he was really gracious, and so was his wife.
Speaker 1: Ruth. And right man, I'm here, right here.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to all these people.
Speaker 1: Every day I hear about John Mark.
Speaker 4: Come on, you know, and the thing that George was
Speaker 4: talking about last night was John Mark. You know, he
Speaker 4: was like the biggest ambassador for Alabama football, and you
Speaker 4: know he would give tours.
Speaker 1: That was his job.
Speaker 3: People want to see him.
Speaker 1: Really, that's after, that's after, that's post.
Speaker 4: Cowboy, post cowboy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when he would come to the locker
Speaker 1: room and he would come to our meetings. Man, that
Speaker 1: was our dude, you know the dbs. You know, he
Speaker 1: knew every one of us. He knew every one of us.
Speaker 1: He's a good little kid, good little kid.
Speaker 3: Well, our documentary has been released and you can still
Speaker 3: find it if you google it, it'll come up twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen and when he talked about John Mark during the
Speaker 3: interview so he died. When you say two thousand and eight,
Speaker 3: he got emotional.
Speaker 1: Always he's emotionally talking about John Mark when he was alive,
Speaker 1: and he was so proud of him. Tears would come
Speaker 1: to his eyes when you know, John Mark was just
Speaker 1: hanging out with us, and he I think he enjoyed
Speaker 1: how John Mark developed as a person, you know, because
Speaker 1: he was hanging around all kinds of guys in the
Speaker 1: locker room. And you know, Jeanie Stalins wasn't He wasn't
Speaker 1: accustomed to diversity back in the day with the junction
Speaker 1: boards and all of that. So thank God for John Mark,
Speaker 1: because man, if you didn't win, if you didn't learn
Speaker 1: for John Mark, you're gonna learn the hard way for
Speaker 1: Mail Renfrow from herb Adeleie and those guys that you
Speaker 1: were coaching back then, because those are some tough guys
Speaker 1: that you had to deal with. And you know, John
Speaker 1: wad kind of but a little diversity to the program.
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I tried to do an interview,
Speaker 3: or I didn't. I asked him a question and we
Speaker 3: were out at the ranch kind of in the middle
Speaker 3: of the hallway and he didn't understand my question. But
Speaker 3: boy did he jump on my ass. He just started
Speaker 3: chewing me out and finally somebody right and then somebody goes, no, no, geene,
Speaker 3: this is what he was asking. Okay, boy, he got
Speaker 3: all over me.
Speaker 1: Boy when he got into a rage, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he'd worked that neck and get around like a rooster.
Speaker 1: He would get so upset. Hell man, I can't say
Speaker 1: the words that he was saying, but boy, we went
Speaker 1: through it. We went through it all right.
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Speaker 4: Okay to open Women's History Month. On Saturday, the Cowboys
Speaker 4: announced the formation of regional high school girls flag football
Speaker 4: leagues across the state of Texas, which will begin competitori
Speaker 4: play this spring. This month they start. Cowboys co owner
Speaker 4: and Chief brand Officer Charlotte Jones was joined by quarterback
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott and Stephanie Quack, NFL Vice President of Flag
Speaker 4: Football at eighteen T Stadium for the kickoff press announcement.
Speaker 4: The group shared information about the benefits of playing flag football,
Speaker 4: getting to the details here. Thirty two of the fifty
Speaker 4: four DFW area high school girls flag football programs attended
Speaker 4: a jersey reveal and media day. You know that that
Speaker 4: there are fifty four area high school girls flag football
Speaker 4: programs already.
Speaker 3: Did Danny McCrae pay you for this announcement? You know
Speaker 3: that's his baby.
Speaker 4: I didn't know there was money involved here because I
Speaker 4: know you already the whole thing money involved. Over the
Speaker 4: last nine months, the Cowboys have worked with school districts
Speaker 4: and partners across the state to form a varsity level
Speaker 4: seven on seven programs and they will start playing competitively
Speaker 4: this spring.
Speaker 1: So then we're talking eventually scholarships in the future.
Speaker 4: Well, I think the flag football is going to be
Speaker 4: in the Olympics in twenty eight Wow right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I can do that, play flag football,
Speaker 3: you know what I do think?
Speaker 4: So anyway, regional leagues will play throughout the months of March, April,
Speaker 4: and May at the Star and on School campuses Championship
Speaker 4: tournament held at Ford Center and Frisco in May. So
Speaker 4: you know what I think is going to happen in
Speaker 4: Texas the ui L They're gonna they're going to approve
Speaker 4: girls flag football, and it's going to become very popular.
Speaker 4: Bit you know, it's going to take away from.
Speaker 3: If the schools can afford to finance.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yea, yeah, that's the other thing.
Speaker 3: Finance elementary schools. But don't get me started.
Speaker 1: Don't get care started either.
Speaker 4: My wife works at an elementary.
Speaker 1: So God bless her.
Speaker 3: Big green notebook. Yes, running backs, yeah, so I think
Speaker 3: at some point the Cowboys are going to draft running back.
Speaker 3: All the talk is always Ashton genty, but there's other
Speaker 3: running backs in this draft, and it's.
Speaker 4: A very good class for running backs.
Speaker 1: You don't really get that much as far as running
Speaker 1: back classes here recently.
Speaker 3: If you don't take him at number twelve, I was.
Speaker 3: I saw one rating did their top like fifty players
Speaker 3: or whatever, and there was running backs number three, genty
Speaker 3: overall available nineteen O'marion Hampton, North Carolina, number forty seven,
Speaker 3: Caleb Johnson. I love number thirty.
Speaker 1: Five, Wait, Caleb Johnson from where Iowa? Okay?
Speaker 3: Thirty five was Trevion Henderson, Ohio State, and thirty seven
Speaker 3: Quinchewn Judkins, Ohio State. I heard his interview.
Speaker 1: I was like, also Ohio State.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two of the they had one of them transferred
Speaker 3: there and the other guy stayed and I heard his interview.
Speaker 1: And they won the national championship. Oh, I think they did.
Speaker 3: I said, I want that guy on my team, and
Speaker 3: I don't know where. Yeah, okay, I remember watching him.
Speaker 3: He's pretty. You got forty times on him.
Speaker 1: Way, I don't know did he run? Let me see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know either if any of those guys.
Speaker 3: I imagine Scataboo did.
Speaker 1: But Scalabu is not that fast. No, he's just a
Speaker 1: what do you call it, a Swiss army knife type
Speaker 1: of guy. Right, Yeah, Jent did not run.
Speaker 4: Among the ones that I have, Ollie Gordon Oklahoma State
Speaker 4: is another one who right out of Julys Trinity twenty
Speaker 4: six pounds now he ran a four to six one.
Speaker 1: He's huge. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Caleb Johnson, who is another guy that very very impressive.
Speaker 4: In his interview, he ran for fifteen hundred and thirty
Speaker 4: seven yards.
Speaker 1: Iowa.
Speaker 4: He's the Iowa guys and reportedly he had formal interviews
Speaker 4: with Dallas, Houston, Pittsburgh, the Giants, Vegas, Baltimore, Indie, and Denver.
Speaker 4: Only twenty one years old, average six point four yards
Speaker 4: to carry twenty one touchdowns for Iowa this year. This year, yes,
Speaker 4: this year he ran a four or five, but he's
Speaker 4: a bigger back. Two hundred and twenty four pounds ran
Speaker 4: a four to five seven, So it's not not blazing
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 1: But I really like it.
Speaker 4: He's got that patience and vision and I've gotten written
Speaker 4: down stud great intelligence, so smooth fast. Todd Blackledge, who
Speaker 4: does Big ten games, said he's a total package speed, power, patience, vision, toughness.
Speaker 3: Wow, so is he And maybe second round that's gonna
Speaker 3: say high second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that maybe this second round pick would be
Speaker 4: Caleb Johnson. You were asking about Judkins. See is this
Speaker 4: we're in the early stages here, Okay, so having a
Speaker 4: hard time coming up and the Ohio State guys were
Speaker 4: late editions because they played so late into the season.
Speaker 3: Well the other thing is and they don't have a
Speaker 3: lot of treadware because they shared the position. So it's
Speaker 3: not like you ran the guy in the ground his
Speaker 3: final year.
Speaker 4: All right, producer Supreme, I mentioned Ollie Gordon a moment AYO.
Speaker 4: Producer Supreme has some video of all well, look there
Speaker 4: looking Ollie Gordon out of Oklahoma State.
Speaker 3: So he had a slow start to the season.
Speaker 4: This was it was the year before where Oklahoma State
Speaker 4: had a bad team this year, but his big year
Speaker 4: was the year before.
Speaker 3: Wasn't he like top running back or whatever?
Speaker 4: He you know, going back right, dok Walker Award winner
Speaker 4: last year, not in twenty twenty three, he was.
Speaker 1: A Milqualker award was. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, when he was in high school at Uless Trinity,
Speaker 4: he played quarterback quite a bit and mainly because he
Speaker 4: was a they won him ball in his hands as
Speaker 4: often as possible. But he's got everything you're looking for
Speaker 4: as far as the running back instincts. And then now
Speaker 4: he's great and he obviously in high school he was
Speaker 4: probably thirty pounds lighter than that. But he can catch
Speaker 4: the ball out of the backfield. He can do all
Speaker 4: that stuff. I think he's going to have a very
Speaker 4: successful NFL career. Yeah, whoa you like that stuff?
Speaker 1: This guy.
Speaker 3: So I guess the point.
Speaker 4: Was, you know, it's funny just second Mickey that year
Speaker 4: that he won the Doak Walker. It took a month
Speaker 4: into the season before Mike Gundy actually started using really
Speaker 4: he still ran for seventeen hundred yards or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: So the point when asking if you don't use a twelfth,
Speaker 3: if he's even there at number number twelve, there's other
Speaker 3: running backs over those first two rounds or first that
Speaker 3: that are pretty productive.
Speaker 1: Well, if you can do that, if you have, if
Speaker 1: you have, if it's that close to where you've got
Speaker 1: a genty, you've got a guy like this, you've got
Speaker 1: some of the guys available. I'm gonna look at their
Speaker 1: injury history and see what happens from there, right, And
Speaker 1: because I don't want to bring anybody in that's that's
Speaker 1: you know, an habitual guy, you know that's always getting
Speaker 1: hurt all the time. And so that to me, that
Speaker 1: would be one of the criterias when you're talking about
Speaker 1: guys who are so evenly matched in talent.
Speaker 4: And by the way, Olie Gordon in twenty twenty three
Speaker 4: carry the ball two hundred and eighty five times for
Speaker 4: seventeen hundred and thirty two yards and twenty one touchdowns
Speaker 4: like that, Holly, and he had thirty nine catches for
Speaker 4: another three hundred and thirty yards. I can catch the
Speaker 4: ball out of the back feet.
Speaker 3: I like the twenty one touchdowns.
Speaker 4: Yes, And okay, so genty are you gonna.
Speaker 1: I like his size. I like his size, I really do.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing about it. Here we go.
Speaker 4: That's genty Ashton genty Frisco lone Star High School in
Speaker 4: Boise State, who of course had what twenty six hundred
Speaker 4: yards rushing this year man and coming out of high school.
Speaker 1: He moved here from Europe in high school Italy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's Europe, isn't it.
Speaker 3: I want to get more specific, and.
Speaker 4: He was, actually you and Frisco lone Stars produced a
Speaker 4: lot of NFL players, and so he was actually used
Speaker 4: at receiver first in high school and then his senior
Speaker 4: year was used at running back.
Speaker 1: I'll say this.
Speaker 4: I texted a college coach and said, you have got
Speaker 4: to check out this running back at loans are He texted.
Speaker 1: Back, sit our running back rooms full?
Speaker 3: No, this is okay, okay, could have been fuller.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, but that's impressive, right he And.
Speaker 4: Just physically you can tell how much work.
Speaker 1: What's forty time? He didn't run? He didn't. You don't
Speaker 1: have any idea.
Speaker 4: Oh and he's five eight and a half two hundred
Speaker 4: and so he's a shorter guy, five eight and a
Speaker 4: half two hundred and eleven pounds.
Speaker 1: I just worry about size in the NFL, I really do, uh,
Speaker 1: because we have he's put together. Yeah, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: but we we've we've seen a lot of guys come
Speaker 1: through here. Not a lot. We've seen a couple of
Speaker 1: guys come through here who are a little diminutive in size,
Speaker 1: and you know, it can work against you sometimes.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I like the big guys that can make their own
Speaker 1: way when there's no blocking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how about actually even being able to see that vision.
Speaker 4: You don't talk about it to touch at running back
Speaker 4: as you do at a quarterback.
Speaker 3: All right, So this guy's got pretty good size. The
Speaker 3: kid from Lewisville, Damien Martin. I love loved Damian Martinez.
Speaker 3: And he's light at Miami. Yeah, he's got some size.
Speaker 1: He actually.
Speaker 4: Start he started his career at Oregon State and okay,
Speaker 4: we got Damian Martinez number six here. This is at
Speaker 4: the U. But at Oregon State. He goes there as
Speaker 4: a true freshman and started immediately and was highly productive
Speaker 4: immediately at Oregon State, was there for two years, they
Speaker 4: had a coaching change, and then he transferred to Miami
Speaker 4: and he's kind of fast.
Speaker 3: Had the angle on them which we're watching here by
Speaker 3: the way of just listening.
Speaker 1: And size.
Speaker 4: Yes, big kid, great kid, and uh I mean he
Speaker 4: talking to his high school coach at Louisville, he said
Speaker 4: that he from a character standpoint, he impacted that community.
Speaker 1: As much as he really. Yeah, right, that's what you liked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a leader.
Speaker 4: I was very and he was one of our finalists
Speaker 4: for the Landry Award, as was gent when they came
Speaker 4: out of high school. And just love those guys. Martinez
Speaker 4: is six foot two hundred and seventeen pounds.
Speaker 1: He played.
Speaker 4: He was listed at two hundred and thirty two pounds,
Speaker 4: so he got down to two seventeen for the combine
Speaker 4: and ran a four to five to one with a
Speaker 4: thirty five vertical and uh ten to four broad jump.
Speaker 1: That's good numbers. Yeah, that's a good.
Speaker 3: Number, you know. And when you hear four five one,
Speaker 3: it's almost like Emmett. I'm sure Emmittt's forty yard dash
Speaker 3: wasn't more than four five, but we never seen him
Speaker 3: or saw him get caught from behind. Right, his play
Speaker 3: speed was faster.
Speaker 1: Well, that thing with Imma just to create I think
Speaker 1: Emma's vision was.
Speaker 3: And it was unbelievable, right, I mean, he had.
Speaker 1: The luxury of the offensive line, but still to be
Speaker 1: able to know what holds to hit and know how
Speaker 1: to take it to the house as slow as he was.
Speaker 3: When I when I hear people tell me that, I
Speaker 3: go okay. So did he have a great offensive line
Speaker 3: in high school because he was awfully productive? Did he
Speaker 3: have a great offensive line at Florida because he was awful?
Speaker 1: So I remember Florida. He never had a jersey on
Speaker 1: because they kept ripping it off. He was always jerseys
Speaker 1: ripped off. He looked like he was running in mud.
Speaker 1: He just he looked like it was humid out there.
Speaker 1: So you knew him. It was gonna be okay. I
Speaker 1: like this being able to pull out the video.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna going to dig into the Way to Go
Speaker 4: book and have videos for the next well, nearly two
Speaker 4: months before the draft.
Speaker 3: We could I could save the forty times. Then we
Speaker 3: almost out of time.
Speaker 1: The receivers from.
Speaker 3: Texas Atthew Golden four point two.
Speaker 4: Nine, four to nine, Well that's nothing. You're Worthy ran
Speaker 4: a four to two to one last year.
Speaker 1: And who's the record? Who has the record? He does?
Speaker 1: He does?
Speaker 4: He said it last year. Worthy said it last year.
Speaker 1: Now ye had two wide receivers from Texas.
Speaker 4: Bond Isaiah Bond said he was gonna break h Exavier
Speaker 4: Worthies record.
Speaker 1: He did ran a four to three three pushing right,
Speaker 1: struggling slow for three. Such a disappointment. You know, it's
Speaker 1: funny you look at the guys on the forties and
Speaker 1: the fast guys. It's so brief. But the but the
Speaker 1: guys like myself and the big guys, it takes a while,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You could just tell them.
Speaker 4: No, watch slower because you wanted more TV time right.
Speaker 3: Now, without without a stop more face expresses, without a
Speaker 3: stop watch. If you watch those forties, you can almost predict,
Speaker 3: like if it's four three for four for five, you.
Speaker 4: Can you can tell me we got we're out of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But the Missouri right tackle armand memboomboo, Okay.
Speaker 3: He can play inside, he can play outside.
Speaker 1: You like him?
Speaker 4: Yes, that's a first round pick? Yes, okay, I.
Speaker 3: Think he's the top two.
Speaker 4: He's a tackle, played tackle at Missouri that can play
Speaker 4: inside oorl and he got he.
Speaker 3: Got a little bit irritated that. I guess the knock
Speaker 3: on him was he wasn't tall enough. You want your
Speaker 3: tackles to be six four, and he goes, it's not
Speaker 3: like I'm six' one, I'm six three and a half. Right,
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's he is well.
Speaker 4: I got him listed at six fourth to combine, so
Speaker 4: he was on his tiptoes or something. Sixth okay, I
Speaker 4: stand there all right, listen to this, all right? And
Speaker 4: he he's young. He's twenty years old. I think he
Speaker 4: turns twenty one March twenty seventh.
Speaker 3: I think he could have come back and played well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could have come back for a couple of.
Speaker 3: Years, probably had a COVID.
Speaker 4: I got listed, I got bright, great smile, okay, your
Speaker 4: offense six four okay at six four, three hundred and
Speaker 4: thirty two pounds, thirty three and a half inch arms,
Speaker 4: and that's that's okay. As far as playing tackle, he
Speaker 4: ran a four to nine to one at three hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty two pounds with a thirty four vertical and
Speaker 4: a nine to seven broad jump.
Speaker 3: So they're listening to him as a tackle my vertical.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: Somebody asked him, could you play guard? He goes, whatever
Speaker 3: they want, good answer.
Speaker 4: It's and that's another one. The arrow pointed up for
Speaker 4: armand Mimbo twenty years old.
Speaker 1: Out of Missouri.
Speaker 3: But you get out of Missouri.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: By the way, Tyler Smith about the same age Tyler
Speaker 4: Smith was when he was coming out. Tyler Smith turned
Speaker 4: twenty one on April third of his rookie year.
Speaker 3: Who was a tackle man.
Speaker 1: Yep, there you go.
Speaker 3: But which I go back to my drafting guards, right,
Speaker 3: give me a tackle late guard.
Speaker 1: You've got Membo in the first round.
Speaker 3: Well, he's pretty down good.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
Speaker 4: We settled that we'll move on to the twenty twenty
Speaker 4: sixth draft on the next edition of Mike Shots, and
Speaker 4: our time is going to be fluid next week, and
Speaker 4: it's a huge week.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it fluid.
Speaker 4: Because we got free agency starting on Monday, and the
Speaker 4: new year starts at three o'clock on Wednesday next week.
Speaker 4: And it doesn't have anything to do with the fact
Speaker 4: that Mickey won't be back until time.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. We'll let you know when we'll be on
Speaker 1: next week.
Speaker 4: I'll be ready and in the meantime, make it a
Speaker 4: great week, everybody, Oh Cowboys.
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