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Speaker 2: This is Mick Shot streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com

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Speaker 2: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones,

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Speaker 2: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 4: And it is time to get things cooking on the

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five NFL season. We are one week away

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Speaker 4: from the start of NFL free agency. We just wrapped

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Speaker 4: up the combine and the big Green Notebook is filling up.

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Speaker 4: On this edition of Mix Shots Plus, we welcome back

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Speaker 4: Everson Walls.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Everson Walls.

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Speaker 1: How are you, ladies and gentlemen. I am feeling just fine.

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Speaker 1: I am a blank slate. Does that mean? That means whatever?

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Speaker 1: Anything you want to talk about, listening, whatever you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about now, I have no idea. Join the rest.

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Speaker 1: Timeline is just it's a blank slate. Join the rest

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Speaker 1: of the crowd.

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Speaker 4: It hasn't been listening ever since the Eagles won the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl, and now it's time to pursue the next

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: This thing looks like it's swelling.

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Speaker 1: It is it is.

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Speaker 4: It is the Green Notebook is starting to fill up.

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Speaker 3: That's got it in.

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Speaker 1: I start.

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Speaker 4: I start when the combine starts.

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Speaker 1: That's a continuation. That's not that's not Part two. No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Part one is the original down there.

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Speaker 3: This is the yearly.

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Speaker 4: That's the that's the yearly one. That's the whole league.

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Speaker 4: This is draft process, all right. I had to fill

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Speaker 4: up this page just to get the coaches, right, all

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Speaker 4: these coaches with all this energy.

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Speaker 1: I like that because you took your failed law experience

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Speaker 1: and you applied it to the information here.

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Speaker 4: No, it wasn't a failed law experience. I graduated from

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Speaker 4: law school in one month. Okay, Yeah, that's the way

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Speaker 4: I look at.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I don't think graduated law school after one month.

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Speaker 1: I graduated graduated loosely.

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Speaker 3: He left, you know, so when you referred to the

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Speaker 3: coaching staff, this is going to be the double E

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Speaker 1: All right. I like that. Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 3: And they were all in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: You were all in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: You did all the interviews there. He did interviews and

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Speaker 1: everything of certain players. The process.

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Speaker 3: That's part of the process, that's probably the biggest part. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, the other stuff's all recorded. You could sit

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Speaker 3: here and come back and watch it. But it's the

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Speaker 3: interviews that I think are the most important thing going on.

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Speaker 3: You get all those guys there, you I think they

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Speaker 3: I think I read somewhere where they had forty interviews

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Speaker 4: Well they I believe it's forty five. Is the number

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Speaker 4: of interviews that each team can have a formal interviews.

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Speaker 1: It's forty five.

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Speaker 4: And then you have what they call the thirty visits.

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Speaker 4: You can have thirty prospects that come on campus here.

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Speaker 1: That's in addition to Dallas Day.

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Speaker 4: Which will be early April, where player prospects who either

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Speaker 4: or went to college in the Dallas Forth area SMUTCU,

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Speaker 4: North Texas, they can come and actually can work out here.

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Speaker 4: That's that's in early April.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought somebody tried to make an item

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Speaker 3: out of them not talking to Ashton Genty at the combine.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's right down the road.

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Speaker 1: He's eligible.

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Speaker 4: He would not only be eligible for a thirty day visit,

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Speaker 4: or you can just have him here for Dallas Day too,

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Speaker 1: How long that puss. It's been a while. For a while.

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Speaker 1: It's been because nobody interviewed me. It wasn't that long.

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Speaker 4: No, they didn't realize and they didn't bring you to

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Speaker 4: When did the Combine start? Eighty seven or so?

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Speaker 3: We're in the eighties.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was after ever since day plus not I.

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Speaker 3: Mean formal interviews at the Combine. You can also have

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Speaker 4: And the other thing is for the players who went

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Speaker 4: There's a number of players who were at the Senior

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Speaker 4: they took care of their formal interviews at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Any regulations at the HBCU Bowl.

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Speaker 1: No, well yeah, we no, I didn't No, No, I

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Speaker 1: just okay, so what going back?

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Speaker 3: What about now?

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Speaker 1: What about it didn't have the Yes, they had a

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Speaker 1: that's something that is that a track scout Harris, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Doug Wisiam and Shack Harris was instrumental in bringing that

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Speaker 1: Some of those guys, uh that aren't graduating. They're talking

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Speaker 1: about the the Tigers, Grahama Tigers. They lost a player.

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Speaker 1: Number six was his number in the Bayou Classic. He

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Speaker 1: was all over the place. I'm pretty sure he's not

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Speaker 1: coming back to Gramblin. He's one of those players that's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's on transfer. This kid man, he

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Speaker 4: Minutes of that game, no way, like I know he

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Speaker 4: Well, it was Michael Hawkins at that point, but they

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Speaker 1: What's going on with our team?

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Speaker 1: What's happening? What is happening? We don't Oklahoma.

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Speaker 6: We don't talk about We got a quarterback, we share

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Speaker 6: We shared things with Oklahoma, you know, behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: What is going on with Oklahoma?

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Speaker 1: We're not getting off track. Let's talk.

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Speaker 4: Nick Emm and Wory from South Carolina man six three,

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Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty pounds. He ran a four to

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Speaker 4: that is well, Michaeh I was questioning as Micah. Micaeh

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Speaker 4: I was looking and an eleven six broad up, which

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Speaker 4: is still six inches short of Byron Jones's twelve foot

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Speaker 1: But Biban Jones was what my height? My size right?

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Speaker 4: And plus I'm pretty sure if it's the same guy,

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Speaker 4: Here arrow pointed up for nick emmin Worri from seven.

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Speaker 3: So tomorrow we have a deadline, right, we do March fourth.

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Speaker 4: By the way, there's another former South Carolina player we'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tomorrow there is I wanted Cowboys to draft in

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Speaker 1: That would be debo.

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Speaker 4: But there is a deadline three o'clock tomorrow afternoon where

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Speaker 4: teams need to if they're going to place a franchise

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Speaker 4: tag on a one of these free agent players. That's

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Speaker 1: To do that. Yeah, I think they are.

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Speaker 3: Now tag him, which will allow them to continue negotiating

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Speaker 3: signing that franchise tag at three oh one, which guarantees

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Speaker 3: Now, it was more than the defensive ends.

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Speaker 4: The defensive tackle franchise tag is more than the defensive

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Speaker 4: end franchise tag. It's twenty five point one million for

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Speaker 3: Twenty two I got it, twenty two for defensive ends.

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Speaker 1: Why is that.

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Speaker 4: Guy because of the Chris Jones of the world. It's

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Speaker 4: based on the top five salaries in the league.

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Speaker 4: And now the defensive there are a handful of defensive

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Speaker 4: larger money. But what's happened on that is the designation

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Speaker 4: what the linebackers are now, see the linebackers are twenty

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Speaker 4: five to four, So typically an inside linebacker is not

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Speaker 4: going to get twenty five four. You're not going typically

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Speaker 4: you will not franchise stag an inside linebacker because they

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Speaker 4: basically a terminology thing where guys that are well think

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Speaker 1: Watt rather than so, how is this related to the

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Speaker 4: Because about the defensive tackles. There's there's five defensive tackles

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Speaker 4: and I can look them up that are getting salaries

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Speaker 3: Average act and a lot thanks to Chris Jones.

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Speaker 1: So then we're talking about the situation that can. It's fluid,

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Speaker 4: It's not something now now Michael Parsons, Mike, Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 4: He's listed on the roster as a linebacker, right and

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Speaker 4: It basically that would be thirty million.

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Speaker 3: Before the cap got set, they were at sixty eight

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Speaker 1: Because but but that that just goes towards the team itself.

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Speaker 4: the way I think they should do it right. They

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Speaker 4: they should they should have a category that says edge

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Speaker 1: But here you go for the edge rushers.

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Speaker 1: So then what is your opinion on why they.

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Speaker 4: Won't negotiation between the Players Association and the owners.

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Speaker 3: I would think, yeah, the NFLPA, and it's got to

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Speaker 4: How they set that, okay, and so because then you

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Speaker 4: player from the players Association perspective, they likely won it

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Speaker 4: this way because it's helping your linebackers as a whole,

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Speaker 4: because if you factor in edge guys as linebackers, outside

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Speaker 3: Although I did see with Fred Warner with his restructures

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Speaker 3: for twenty nine million this year, which is pretty rich,

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Speaker 3: so they probably got to do which on segues to, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: is thirty one million.

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Speaker 1: So well, if they would have kept him, then how

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Speaker 1: much would it be? And obviously they made a decision

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Speaker 3: Here here's his deal. I got this printed out. He's

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Speaker 1: Bonus for Deo for Debo, he was going to be.

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Speaker 3: San Francisco put an option bonus in there, and they

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Speaker 3: put voided years to divide it by five.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 3: If they activated it, he was going to be like

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Speaker 3: years that he's not there. So that's another thing Washington

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Speaker 3: a seventeen point five million dollar one year hit for

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five and it has a lot to do

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Speaker 3: San Francisco, but they'll end up with a thirty one million.

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Speaker 3: See this is what everybody forgets, Like, well, how did

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Speaker 3: they afford this, this, and this, Well they did until

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Speaker 3: now now they got thirty one million in dead money

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Speaker 3: trying to trade him for I can't believe just a fifth.

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Speaker 4: Well it's because of the money involved, right right, And

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Speaker 4: it gets and just like people couldn't believe the Amari Cooper.

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Speaker 3: For a fifth, right right. So you know at some

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Speaker 3: point you got to pay the piper. Yeah, even though

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Speaker 3: So San Francisco pushed it around and they ain't got

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Speaker 3: that Super Bowl yet, and so you know, everybody says, well,

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Speaker 3: what's the big deal, Well, it is a big deal. Eventually,

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Speaker 3: you got to be careful.

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Speaker 4: And they've got a quarterback that they're having to sign

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, I've heard him. They said they want to

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Speaker 1: make it as attractive as possible. Right.

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Speaker 3: So, and if you noticed when we were talking about

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Speaker 3: this is impending to happen. Well, talk is cheap. It's

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Speaker 3: signing on the dotted line that you got to be

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Speaker 3: aware of it. And by the way, until the cowboys

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Speaker 3: exercise the trigger the clauses in the contracts of Dakh

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Speaker 3: and probably Ceedee Lamb and maybe Terrence Steele. Right now,

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Speaker 3: they have one point thirty nine million in available space,

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Speaker 3: so they got to do that before they can do anything.

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Speaker 4: But contrast that to Washington before the debot right trade,

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Speaker 4: they were at I think eighty million.

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Speaker 3: Eighty three eighty three point seven, right, so they could

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Speaker 3: they could they could take the one the one year

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Speaker 3: or four years and have to keep paying for it,

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Speaker 3: or they can redo his entire contract, right, and the

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Speaker 3: contract starts at at least seventeen million.

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Speaker 1: And see that's always the dilemma.

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Speaker 3: And you get your money up front because Debo asked

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Speaker 3: the last year of the contract.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, there's there's this this two ways of looking

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Speaker 1: at it. There's like a profit and laws statement over

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Speaker 1: here that you want to keep right back, and over

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Speaker 1: here you just want to win, and you say, to

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Speaker 1: hell with profit and loss, We're gonna we're gonna all

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Speaker 1: that chaos that we created over here in the statement.

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Speaker 1: Forget that we're gonna go all in and win this

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Speaker 3: The problem is what are the percentages of you winning

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Speaker 3: the whole thing? Because if you don't, then.

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Speaker 1: You still got these problems.

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Speaker 3: It's double Jeppards. Yeah yeah, yeah, So, which is happening

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Speaker 3: some guys that they might not be able to afford

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Speaker 3: to re sign Josh. But what they'll be like, uh,

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Speaker 3: but they said we want it so big deal.

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Speaker 1: They'll be They'll be like the guy to say, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: worth it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well it's like what's It's always worth it until

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Speaker 3: it's not.

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Speaker 4: And see, and that's what happened with the Rams. They

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Speaker 4: went for it and they got it, got it, they

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Speaker 4: got it. Yeah, and then the next couple of years

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Speaker 4: they paid the price for it. But they've done a

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Speaker 4: really good job of restocking. And it gets back to

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Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford and the decision made on Friday. The Matthew

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Speaker 4: Stafford is staying with we haven't heard a number on

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Speaker 4: that deal, No, we have not, No, but it's got

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Speaker 4: to be going to be big.

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Speaker 1: Over fifty million dollars you would average.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and how many how many years do you want

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Speaker 3: to do that for? Because what is he? Is he thirty?

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Speaker 1: Sorry? Seven?

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Speaker 3: Probably that's what I thought I saw thirty seven? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because Karon Rodgers forty one.

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Speaker 4: He was in Detroit for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes you old, That makes you old back then. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Man, Come on, we play with those monster trucks all

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, we set up a track. We don't know.

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Speaker 1: Dirt we don't. We don't let it. We go out

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Speaker 1: in the backyard with the dirt.

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Speaker 4: That's right in the flower bell we get in the

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Speaker 4: past weekend.

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Speaker 3: Past weekend was the girls high school flag football.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, they get their uniforms.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, you got the details on that. Yeah

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Speaker 4: I didn't get the Okay, I can look up the

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Speaker 4: details if you want to go a different direction for

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Speaker 4: just a moment in the meantime, I will.

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Speaker 1: Look up there.

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Speaker 3: There's the other thing that cowboys also, we talked about

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Speaker 3: the guys that are unrestricted free agents. We're talking about Osa.

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Speaker 3: They do have two guys that are restricted free agents.

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Speaker 3: Neither one of them were drafted, Cavante Turpin and Marquise Bell.

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Speaker 3: And they've got to tender those guys.

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Speaker 1: And how's he doing Marquis Bell? And as far as

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Speaker 1: we happened and the injuries concerned.

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Speaker 3: Did he he get hurt at the end, Yeah, got hurt.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember he was out for the season,

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Speaker 1: out for the rest of the season. Mm hmm, come on, Mickey,

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Speaker 1: come on, you can do it. You can do it

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Speaker 1: house quickly we began. I tell you, I saw guys always.

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Speaker 1: He was on everyone's lips before quite some time. Now,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we got nothing. We got nothing

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Speaker 1: on Marque's bell. You forgot that Frisco.

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Speaker 4: Frisco is upset with Mickey right now, fam you guy,

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Speaker 4: Marc east Bell.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying. I was trying to see when he when

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Speaker 3: he got hurt. So he ended up playing in nine games.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say so, I think it was the

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Speaker 1: ninth game he got hurt.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine real good Bill, although he was inactive

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Speaker 3: one game a game, you never know, but you got

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Speaker 3: to decide, and you know, what do you do with

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Speaker 3: Cavante Turpel.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the other thing with Marquise Bell. Okay, he

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Speaker 4: was playing middle linebacker for dan Quinn, that's right. And

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Speaker 4: then he doesn't get on the field on the defense

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Speaker 4: under Mike Zimmer. So how's Matt Eberflus feel about him?

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Speaker 3: And we probably haven't asked that question, right, So, and

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Speaker 3: it was a dislocated shoulder that he suffered, okay, and

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Speaker 3: needed surgery to repair his shoulder, and I, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know when they work out, but I haven't

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Speaker 3: seen him out there. Dak was out there again always

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Speaker 3: and I'm assuming that was Sam Williams maybe with them, Okay,

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Speaker 3: who seems to be moving along just fine.

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Speaker 4: What would motivate you more if you made what Dak

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Speaker 4: makes to get out on the practice field, or if

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Speaker 4: you didn't have a contract.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well probably if I didn't have a contract, Because

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Speaker 3: Dak's got guaranteed right money.

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Speaker 4: It says a lot about him that he gets out there.

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Speaker 4: And even though it's he's got it made as far

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Speaker 4: as life goes, he's.

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Speaker 1: He's been out there, I mean got he's been out

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Speaker 1: there every day, seems like.

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Speaker 3: Through the crutches of one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think either way that I would be out there

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Speaker 4: if I made the kind of money Deck made or

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Speaker 4: the other way around.

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Speaker 3: So let me go back to a certain.

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Speaker 4: Responsibility that comes with making that kind of money.

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Speaker 3: Would you tender Cavante Turpin as a first round draft

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Speaker 3: compensation or second round.

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Speaker 4: Or tell us what those monies are?

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Speaker 3: So a first round tender is seven point four million?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Ever since listen up here, seven point four million.

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Speaker 3: Second round compensation is five point three and if you

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Speaker 3: want to take a chance on your original draft round,

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Speaker 3: which he did not have because he was not drafted,

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Speaker 3: three point two million and tell us and you get

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Speaker 3: no rounds compensation for that.

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Speaker 4: So basically, if another if he had a tender of whatever,

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Speaker 4: that money was that for the the entry level was

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Speaker 4: a three point the entry level number was what being

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Speaker 4: undrafted entry?

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Speaker 3: Oh the compensation, Yeah, you would tender at three point two.

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Speaker 4: So another team could sign him and not give up

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Speaker 4: any draft picks because he wasn't drafted in your own

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Speaker 4: but at the seven million dollar figure. The other team,

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Speaker 4: if they signed him, they would have to give up

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Speaker 4: a first round draft pick Cowboys, and the second round

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Speaker 4: is the five million whatever, So I would think that

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Speaker 4: they would go in the five million.

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Speaker 1: Second round, the second round.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That it would be necessary to tender him at the

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Speaker 4: first round because I'm not sure. I don't believe another

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Speaker 4: team would give up a first round pick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, but they might give up a second round pick,

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Speaker 3: like those teams that have all the money.

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Speaker 1: Here, oh Cavane, Oh yeah, man.

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Speaker 3: Those teams that have all the money.

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Speaker 4: That oh Okay, so okay, something think of it. Ever,

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Speaker 4: soon you're another team. Cavante Turpin is available on a

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Speaker 4: one year, seven and a half million whatever it is.

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Speaker 4: But you have to but you have to give up

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Speaker 4: a first round draft pick.

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Speaker 1: Would you do it?

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Speaker 3: I would see to me, it's not about the money.

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Speaker 3: It's about the draft pick, right, I can. I got

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Speaker 3: eighty million in caps, and.

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Speaker 1: You can match.

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Speaker 4: The Cowboys can match, right, I think a second.

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Speaker 1: So it won't cost you eighty million. Avon.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying I'm just eighty million. I have

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Speaker 3: eighty million available. I know, I'm just yeah, but it

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Speaker 3: cost me a first round that's valuable.

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Speaker 1: That is valuable. But man, he's valuable, Yes, especially team.

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Speaker 1: That's why I will There was certain games where he

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Speaker 1: was the only offense we had.

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Speaker 4: We forget the special teams aspect of it.

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Speaker 1: What does he talk about? The position brings to us? Well?

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Speaker 4: But even all right, how is this new coaching staff

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Speaker 4: going offensive? Coaching staff playing to utilize him?

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Speaker 1: Probably the best way possible, and that is to rely

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Speaker 1: hit the darn ball in his hands, yes, right, to

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Speaker 1: rely on him as a playmaker, Like you said, we

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Speaker 1: just I'm just thinking special teams, not even to mention

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Speaker 1: how we could use him in special packages and things.

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Speaker 1: On offense he.

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Speaker 3: Had in his limited availability as a wide receiver, he

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Speaker 3: had thirty one catches and two touchdowns. He ran, I

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Speaker 3: want to say you and one in. No, I take

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Speaker 3: that back, he did.

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Speaker 1: What about doing a deal with.

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Speaker 3: Him, or you would like to I've seen the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: say he.

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Speaker 4: Thinks there's negotiations going on right now for Cavante Turpin.

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Speaker 3: I would think, so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the interesting thing about.

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Speaker 3: The deal, and you'll make say you double the five million,

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Speaker 3: you're going to make eleven million.

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Speaker 4: And if it looks like you're making five million this year, right,

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Speaker 4: and next year you're going to be thirty years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he turns twenty nine August.

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Speaker 3: Second, and the key thing for him is, and they've

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Speaker 3: done this before, is they pay you a signing bonus,

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Speaker 3: so you get some money up front. I would like

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Speaker 3: the money up front.

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Speaker 1: On second thought, No, I would not give up a

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Speaker 1: first found I would not give a first round pick four,

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Speaker 1: but damn I would want to keep it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you just hav him for one year, yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 3: Or you give him a tender and then I think

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Speaker 3: you can renegotiate that thing too.

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Speaker 1: He is a unique talent, and I mean that in

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Speaker 1: every possible positive way possible. Everything that we've asked him

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Speaker 1: to do, he's done it, and he's taken it to

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Speaker 1: the next level for him to be so integral in

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Speaker 1: our plans as far as field position, he was a

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Speaker 1: threat every time he touched the ball, just on kickoff returns,

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Speaker 1: and that's something that we hadn't had around here in

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Speaker 1: a long time.

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Speaker 3: And even if he didn't return it for a touchdown,

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Speaker 3: the average set a it was the NFL high.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's unique. He's very unique in a definitely

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Speaker 1: a good way.

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Speaker 3: Nick Sorenson needs to walk into the room and say,

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Speaker 3: I want this makes my job easier.

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Speaker 4: What do we may need to explain for those of

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Speaker 4: you who are paying attention. Nick Sorenson is the special

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Speaker 4: teams coordinator for the Cowboy.

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Speaker 3: That's right, former defensive coordinator too, So as a defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 3: he understands what Cavante Turpin brings to an offense.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, all right, I'm now searching for that flag

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Speaker 4: football stuff. Get out here.

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Speaker 3: We got so much to talk about, we do.

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Speaker 4: And so we decided what we're doing with OSA. What

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Speaker 4: OSA is basically looking at. Let's look at those defensive

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Speaker 4: tackle numbers again, what were they there in the range.

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Speaker 1: Of twenty five.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's basically what you're looking at. So he

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Speaker 4: would probably on a long term deal, he's probably looking

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Speaker 4: in the neighborhood of four years, ninety million plus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're going to get money up front because

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Speaker 3: if you just play for the franchise tag, while it's guaranteed,

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Speaker 3: you get it over eighteen weeks. But if you sign

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Speaker 3: a long term deal, you get a signing bonus. I

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Speaker 3: could put about thirty million. I'm not an accountant in

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Speaker 3: the bank somewhere for as little as five percent. That's

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Speaker 3: a lot.

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Speaker 1: He sounded like Jean Stalin's trying to get me to

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Speaker 1: sign the Cowboys contract. That was a bunch of.

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Speaker 3: Crap, which, by the way, Bill Jones pointed last night.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys back of the day, the Cowboys and put

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Speaker 1: pressure on you from every angle. We'll talk to me

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Speaker 1: about Zeus.

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Speaker 4: It's very timely, very very timely in fact, that George

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Speaker 4: t on our show last night to talk about coach

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Speaker 4: Gene Stallings.

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Speaker 1: That's his boy.

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Speaker 4: He turned ninety years old yesterday, so we paid tribute

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Speaker 4: to Jeene Stallings and he's living in Paris, still still

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Speaker 4: living years old branch, so we still can't with the damn.

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Speaker 3: When we went up there, it was twenty seventeen and

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Speaker 3: we did a Legends documentary show on him. So how

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Speaker 3: many years that eight years ago? He was still riding

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Speaker 3: his horse, still riding the horse to inspect defences on

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Speaker 3: his ranch. And I said, so when you find one

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Speaker 3: that needs repair, who do you call? He goes, call

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Speaker 3: I fix it. I was like, well, you're eighty two

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Speaker 3: three years old. He goes, that's right. I'm not paying

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Speaker 3: somebody to do that. I can do it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: Ersity of Alabama, a couple of professors at Alabama put

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Speaker 4: together a great documentary on Gene Stallings and it highlighted

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Speaker 4: him and of course his son John arc and it

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Speaker 4: was great. George actually invited me to a screening of

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Speaker 4: it in McKinney a month or so ago, and it

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Speaker 4: is really, really well done. It needs to be widely released,

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Speaker 4: and not only from the standpoint of Coach Stallings it's

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Speaker 4: called do right the Stalling standard, but also from the

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Speaker 4: perspective of John Mark who passed away at age forty

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Speaker 4: six in two thousand and.

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Speaker 1: Eight, and years longer than that, well well thirty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because he was actually not only born with Down syndrome,

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Speaker 4: but also had a congenital heart defect, which is was

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Speaker 4: his cause of death at age forty six. But what

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize back then when he was born nineteen

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Speaker 4: early nineteen sixties, usually when a child was born with

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Speaker 4: Down syndrome, they just put him in a home, you know.

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Speaker 4: And the Stalling said, no, he's not going in a home.

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Speaker 4: We're raising him and a sister. And I get goosebumps

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Speaker 4: just talking about it. The think about the impact that

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Speaker 4: Johnny had, uh and through coach.

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Speaker 1: Thank God for Johnny right because coach Coach Stallings would

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Speaker 1: have been a handful, right, he didn't have someone like

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Speaker 1: john Mark soft soft them up just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's been mind.

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Speaker 4: Coach Stallings was one of the Junction Boys and Brian

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Speaker 4: Texas and then he became after John Mark was born.

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Speaker 4: He was became the head coach at Texas A and

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Speaker 4: M in the mid sixties and then became the Cowboys

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Speaker 4: secondary coach starting in nineteen seventy two through eighty five

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Speaker 4: in your first years of your career here then the

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Speaker 4: Cardinals head coach, and then goes to Alabama when's the

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Speaker 4: national championship?

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Speaker 1: Georgia just like looking just like Bear Bryant, sound on

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Speaker 1: the sideline, his voice. That was some weird stuff for that,

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Speaker 1: that whole process to go to him coaching back at Alabama.

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Speaker 3: Well, he was really gracious, and so was his wife.

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Speaker 1: Ruth. And right man, I'm here, right here.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to all these people.

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Speaker 1: Every day I hear about John Mark.

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Speaker 4: Come on, you know, and the thing that George was

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Speaker 4: talking about last night was John Mark. You know, he

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Speaker 4: was like the biggest ambassador for Alabama football, and you

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Speaker 4: know he would give tours.

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Speaker 1: That was his job.

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Speaker 3: People want to see him.

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Speaker 1: Really, that's after, that's after, that's post.

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Speaker 4: Cowboy, post cowboy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when he would come to the locker

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Speaker 1: room and he would come to our meetings. Man, that

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Speaker 1: was our dude, you know the dbs. You know, he

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Speaker 1: knew every one of us. He knew every one of us.

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Speaker 1: He's a good little kid, good little kid.

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Speaker 3: Well, our documentary has been released and you can still

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Speaker 3: find it if you google it, it'll come up twenty

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Speaker 3: seventeen and when he talked about John Mark during the

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Speaker 3: interview so he died. When you say two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 3: he got emotional.

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Speaker 1: Always he's emotionally talking about John Mark when he was alive,

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Speaker 1: and he was so proud of him. Tears would come

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Speaker 1: to his eyes when you know, John Mark was just

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Speaker 1: hanging out with us, and he I think he enjoyed

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Speaker 1: how John Mark developed as a person, you know, because

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Speaker 1: he was hanging around all kinds of guys in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. And you know, Jeanie Stalins wasn't He wasn't

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Speaker 1: accustomed to diversity back in the day with the junction

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Speaker 1: boards and all of that. So thank God for John Mark,

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Speaker 1: because man, if you didn't win, if you didn't learn

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Speaker 1: for John Mark, you're gonna learn the hard way for

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Speaker 1: Mail Renfrow from herb Adeleie and those guys that you

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Speaker 1: were coaching back then, because those are some tough guys

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Speaker 1: that you had to deal with. And you know, John

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Speaker 1: wad kind of but a little diversity to the program.

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Speaker 3: I remember the first time I tried to do an interview,

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Speaker 3: or I didn't. I asked him a question and we

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Speaker 3: were out at the ranch kind of in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the hallway and he didn't understand my question. But

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Speaker 3: boy did he jump on my ass. He just started

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Speaker 3: chewing me out and finally somebody right and then somebody goes, no, no, geene,

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Speaker 3: this is what he was asking. Okay, boy, he got

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Speaker 3: all over me.

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Speaker 1: Boy when he got into a rage, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: he'd worked that neck and get around like a rooster.

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Speaker 1: He would get so upset. Hell man, I can't say

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Speaker 1: the words that he was saying, but boy, we went

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Speaker 1: through it. We went through it all right.

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Speaker 4: Okay to open Women's History Month. On Saturday, the Cowboys

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Speaker 4: announced the formation of regional high school girls flag football

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Speaker 4: programs already.

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Speaker 3: Did Danny McCrae pay you for this announcement? You know

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Speaker 3: that's his baby.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know there was money involved here because I

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Speaker 4: last nine months, the Cowboys have worked with school districts

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Speaker 4: and partners across the state to form a varsity level

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Speaker 4: seven on seven programs and they will start playing competitively

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Speaker 4: this spring.

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Speaker 1: So then we're talking eventually scholarships in the future.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the flag football is going to be

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Speaker 4: in the Olympics in twenty eight Wow right, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I can do that, play flag football,

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Speaker 3: you know what I do think?

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Speaker 4: So anyway, regional leagues will play throughout the months of March, April,

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Speaker 4: and May at the Star and on School campuses Championship

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Speaker 4: tournament held at Ford Center and Frisco in May. So

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Speaker 4: you know what I think is going to happen in

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Speaker 4: Texas the ui L They're gonna they're going to approve

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Speaker 4: girls flag football, and it's going to become very popular.

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Speaker 4: Bit you know, it's going to take away from.

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Speaker 3: If the schools can afford to finance.

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Speaker 1: That's true. Yea, yeah, that's the other thing.

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Speaker 3: Finance elementary schools. But don't get me started.

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Speaker 1: Don't get care started either.

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Speaker 4: My wife works at an elementary.

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Speaker 1: So God bless her.

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Speaker 3: Big green notebook. Yes, running backs, yeah, so I think

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Speaker 3: at some point the Cowboys are going to draft running back.

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Speaker 3: All the talk is always Ashton genty, but there's other

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Speaker 3: running backs in this draft, and it's.

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Speaker 4: A very good class for running backs.

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Speaker 1: You don't really get that much as far as running

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Speaker 1: back classes here recently.

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Speaker 3: If you don't take him at number twelve, I was.

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Speaker 3: I saw one rating did their top like fifty players

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Speaker 3: or whatever, and there was running backs number three, genty

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Speaker 3: overall available nineteen O'marion Hampton, North Carolina, number forty seven,

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Speaker 3: Caleb Johnson. I love number thirty.

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Speaker 1: Five, Wait, Caleb Johnson from where Iowa? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Thirty five was Trevion Henderson, Ohio State, and thirty seven

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Speaker 3: Quinchewn Judkins, Ohio State. I heard his interview.

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Speaker 1: I was like, also Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, two of the they had one of them transferred

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Speaker 3: there and the other guy stayed and I heard his interview.

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Speaker 1: And they won the national championship. Oh, I think they did.

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Speaker 3: I said, I want that guy on my team, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know where. Yeah, okay, I remember watching him.

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Speaker 3: He's pretty. You got forty times on him.

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Speaker 1: Way, I don't know did he run? Let me see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know either if any of those guys.

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Speaker 3: I imagine Scataboo did.

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Speaker 1: But Scalabu is not that fast. No, he's just a

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Speaker 1: what do you call it, a Swiss army knife type

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Speaker 1: of guy. Right, Yeah, Jent did not run.

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Speaker 4: Among the ones that I have, Ollie Gordon Oklahoma State

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Speaker 4: is another one who right out of Julys Trinity twenty

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Speaker 4: six pounds now he ran a four to six one.

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Speaker 1: He's huge. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Caleb Johnson, who is another guy that very very impressive.

884
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 4: In his interview, he ran for fifteen hundred and thirty

885
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 4: seven yards.

886
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: Iowa.

887
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 4: He's the Iowa guys and reportedly he had formal interviews

888
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 4: with Dallas, Houston, Pittsburgh, the Giants, Vegas, Baltimore, Indie, and Denver.

889
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 4: Only twenty one years old, average six point four yards

890
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 4: to carry twenty one touchdowns for Iowa this year. This year, yes,

891
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 4: this year he ran a four or five, but he's

892
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 4: a bigger back. Two hundred and twenty four pounds ran

893
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 4: a four to five seven, So it's not not blazing

894
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 4: at all.

895
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: But I really like it.

896
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 4: He's got that patience and vision and I've gotten written

897
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: down stud great intelligence, so smooth fast. Todd Blackledge, who

898
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 4: does Big ten games, said he's a total package speed, power, patience, vision, toughness.

899
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 3: Wow, so is he And maybe second round that's gonna

900
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: say high second.

901
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that maybe this second round pick would be

902
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 4: Caleb Johnson. You were asking about Judkins. See is this

903
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: we're in the early stages here, Okay, so having a

904
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 4: hard time coming up and the Ohio State guys were

905
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: late editions because they played so late into the season.

906
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 3: Well the other thing is and they don't have a

907
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 3: lot of treadware because they shared the position. So it's

908
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 3: not like you ran the guy in the ground his

909
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: final year.

910
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 4: All right, producer Supreme, I mentioned Ollie Gordon a moment AYO.

911
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,919
Speaker 4: Producer Supreme has some video of all well, look there

912
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 4: looking Ollie Gordon out of Oklahoma State.

913
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 3: So he had a slow start to the season.

914
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 4: This was it was the year before where Oklahoma State

915
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 4: had a bad team this year, but his big year

916
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 4: was the year before.

917
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: Wasn't he like top running back or whatever?

918
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 4: He you know, going back right, dok Walker Award winner

919
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 4: last year, not in twenty twenty three, he was.

920
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: A Milqualker award was. Yeah.

921
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: Now, when he was in high school at Uless Trinity,

922
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 4: he played quarterback quite a bit and mainly because he

923
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 4: was a they won him ball in his hands as

924
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 4: often as possible. But he's got everything you're looking for

925
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 4: as far as the running back instincts. And then now

926
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 4: he's great and he obviously in high school he was

927
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 4: probably thirty pounds lighter than that. But he can catch

928
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 4: the ball out of the backfield. He can do all

929
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 4: that stuff. I think he's going to have a very

930
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 4: successful NFL career. Yeah, whoa you like that stuff?

931
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: This guy.

932
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 3: So I guess the point.

933
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 4: Was, you know, it's funny just second Mickey that year

934
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 4: that he won the Doak Walker. It took a month

935
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 4: into the season before Mike Gundy actually started using really

936
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: he still ran for seventeen hundred yards or whatever.

937
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: It was.

938
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: So the point when asking if you don't use a twelfth,

939
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 3: if he's even there at number number twelve, there's other

940
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 3: running backs over those first two rounds or first that

941
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 3: that are pretty productive.

942
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: Well, if you can do that, if you have, if

943
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: you have, if it's that close to where you've got

944
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: a genty, you've got a guy like this, you've got

945
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: some of the guys available. I'm gonna look at their

946
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: injury history and see what happens from there, right, And

947
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: because I don't want to bring anybody in that's that's

948
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, an habitual guy, you know that's always getting

949
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: hurt all the time. And so that to me, that

950
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: would be one of the criterias when you're talking about

951
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: guys who are so evenly matched in talent.

952
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 4: And by the way, Olie Gordon in twenty twenty three

953
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 4: carry the ball two hundred and eighty five times for

954
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 4: seventeen hundred and thirty two yards and twenty one touchdowns

955
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 4: like that, Holly, and he had thirty nine catches for

956
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 4: another three hundred and thirty yards. I can catch the

957
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 4: ball out of the back feet.

958
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: I like the twenty one touchdowns.

959
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 4: Yes, And okay, so genty are you gonna.

960
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: I like his size. I like his size, I really do.

961
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing about it. Here we go.

962
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 4: That's genty Ashton genty Frisco lone Star High School in

963
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 4: Boise State, who of course had what twenty six hundred

964
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 4: yards rushing this year man and coming out of high school.

965
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: He moved here from Europe in high school Italy. Yeah,

966
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: well it's Europe, isn't it.

967
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 3: I want to get more specific, and.

968
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 4: He was, actually you and Frisco lone Stars produced a

969
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 4: lot of NFL players, and so he was actually used

970
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 4: at receiver first in high school and then his senior

971
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 4: year was used at running back.

972
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: I'll say this.

973
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 4: I texted a college coach and said, you have got

974
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 4: to check out this running back at loans are He texted.

975
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: Back, sit our running back rooms full?

976
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 3: No, this is okay, okay, could have been fuller.

977
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, but that's impressive, right he And.

978
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 4: Just physically you can tell how much work.

979
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: What's forty time? He didn't run? He didn't. You don't

980
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: have any idea.

981
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: Oh and he's five eight and a half two hundred

982
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 4: and so he's a shorter guy, five eight and a

983
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: half two hundred and eleven pounds.

984
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: I just worry about size in the NFL, I really do, uh,

985
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: because we have he's put together. Yeah, I know, I know,

986
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 1: but we we've we've seen a lot of guys come

987
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: through here. Not a lot. We've seen a couple of

988
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: guys come through here who are a little diminutive in size,

989
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: and you know, it can work against you sometimes.

990
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

991
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: I like the big guys that can make their own

992
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: way when there's no blocking.

993
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, how about actually even being able to see that vision.

994
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 4: You don't talk about it to touch at running back

995
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 4: as you do at a quarterback.

996
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 3: All right, So this guy's got pretty good size. The

997
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 3: kid from Lewisville, Damien Martin. I love loved Damian Martinez.

998
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 3: And he's light at Miami. Yeah, he's got some size.

999
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 1: He actually.

1000
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 4: Start he started his career at Oregon State and okay,

1001
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 4: we got Damian Martinez number six here. This is at

1002
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 4: the U. But at Oregon State. He goes there as

1003
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 4: a true freshman and started immediately and was highly productive

1004
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 4: immediately at Oregon State, was there for two years, they

1005
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 4: had a coaching change, and then he transferred to Miami

1006
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 4: and he's kind of fast.

1007
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: Had the angle on them which we're watching here by

1008
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: the way of just listening.

1009
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: And size.

1010
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 4: Yes, big kid, great kid, and uh I mean he

1011
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 4: talking to his high school coach at Louisville, he said

1012
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 4: that he from a character standpoint, he impacted that community.

1013
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: As much as he really. Yeah, right, that's what you liked. Yeah,

1014
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: and a leader.

1015
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 4: I was very and he was one of our finalists

1016
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 4: for the Landry Award, as was gent when they came

1017
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 4: out of high school. And just love those guys. Martinez

1018
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 4: is six foot two hundred and seventeen pounds.

1019
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: He played.

1020
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 4: He was listed at two hundred and thirty two pounds,

1021
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 4: so he got down to two seventeen for the combine

1022
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 4: and ran a four to five to one with a

1023
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 4: thirty five vertical and uh ten to four broad jump.

1024
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: That's good numbers. Yeah, that's a good.

1025
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 3: Number, you know. And when you hear four five one,

1026
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: it's almost like Emmett. I'm sure Emmittt's forty yard dash

1027
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: wasn't more than four five, but we never seen him

1028
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: or saw him get caught from behind. Right, his play

1029
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: speed was faster.

1030
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: Well, that thing with Imma just to create I think

1031
00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: Emma's vision was.

1032
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 3: And it was unbelievable, right, I mean, he had.

1033
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: The luxury of the offensive line, but still to be

1034
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: able to know what holds to hit and know how

1035
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: to take it to the house as slow as he was.

1036
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 3: When I when I hear people tell me that, I

1037
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 3: go okay. So did he have a great offensive line

1038
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: in high school because he was awfully productive? Did he

1039
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 3: have a great offensive line at Florida because he was awful?

1040
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: So I remember Florida. He never had a jersey on

1041
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: because they kept ripping it off. He was always jerseys

1042
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: ripped off. He looked like he was running in mud.

1043
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: He just he looked like it was humid out there.

1044
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: So you knew him. It was gonna be okay. I

1045
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: like this being able to pull out the video.

1046
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna going to dig into the Way to Go

1047
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 4: book and have videos for the next well, nearly two

1048
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 4: months before the draft.

1049
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 3: We could I could save the forty times. Then we

1050
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 3: almost out of time.

1051
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: The receivers from.

1052
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 3: Texas Atthew Golden four point two.

1053
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 4: Nine, four to nine, Well that's nothing. You're Worthy ran

1054
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 4: a four to two to one last year.

1055
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: And who's the record? Who has the record? He does?

1056
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: He does?

1057
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 4: He said it last year. Worthy said it last year.

1058
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: Now ye had two wide receivers from Texas.

1059
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 4: Bond Isaiah Bond said he was gonna break h Exavier

1060
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 4: Worthies record.

1061
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: He did ran a four to three three pushing right,

1062
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: struggling slow for three. Such a disappointment. You know, it's

1063
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: funny you look at the guys on the forties and

1064
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: the fast guys. It's so brief. But the but the

1065
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: guys like myself and the big guys, it takes a while,

1066
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You could just tell them.

1067
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 4: No, watch slower because you wanted more TV time right.

1068
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 3: Now, without without a stop more face expresses, without a

1069
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: stop watch. If you watch those forties, you can almost predict,

1070
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 3: like if it's four three for four for five, you.

1071
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 4: Can you can tell me we got we're out of time.

1072
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1073
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 4: But the Missouri right tackle armand memboomboo, Okay.

1074
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: He can play inside, he can play outside.

1075
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:11,479
Speaker 1: You like him?

1076
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 4: Yes, that's a first round pick? Yes, okay, I.

1077
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: Think he's the top two.

1078
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 4: He's a tackle, played tackle at Missouri that can play

1079
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 4: inside oorl and he got he.

1080
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 3: Got a little bit irritated that. I guess the knock

1081
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: on him was he wasn't tall enough. You want your

1082
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 3: tackles to be six four, and he goes, it's not

1083
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: like I'm six' one, I'm six three and a half. Right,

1084
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, he's he is well.

1085
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 4: I got him listed at six fourth to combine, so

1086
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 4: he was on his tiptoes or something. Sixth okay, I

1087
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 4: stand there all right, listen to this, all right? And

1088
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 4: he he's young. He's twenty years old. I think he

1089
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 4: turns twenty one March twenty seventh.

1090
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 3: I think he could have come back and played well.

1091
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could have come back for a couple of.

1092
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 3: Years, probably had a COVID.

1093
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 4: I got listed, I got bright, great smile, okay, your

1094
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 4: offense six four okay at six four, three hundred and

1095
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 4: thirty two pounds, thirty three and a half inch arms,

1096
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 4: and that's that's okay. As far as playing tackle, he

1097
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 4: ran a four to nine to one at three hundred

1098
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 4: and thirty two pounds with a thirty four vertical and

1099
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 4: a nine to seven broad jump.

1100
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 3: So they're listening to him as a tackle my vertical.

1101
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: There you go.

1102
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 3: Somebody asked him, could you play guard? He goes, whatever

1103
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 3: they want, good answer.

1104
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 4: It's and that's another one. The arrow pointed up for

1105
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 4: armand Mimbo twenty years old.

1106
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: Out of Missouri.

1107
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 3: But you get out of Missouri.

1108
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: Okay.

1109
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 4: By the way, Tyler Smith about the same age Tyler

1110
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 4: Smith was when he was coming out. Tyler Smith turned

1111
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 4: twenty one on April third of his rookie year.

1112
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: Who was a tackle man.

1113
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: Yep, there you go.

1114
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 3: But which I go back to my drafting guards, right,

1115
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 3: give me a tackle late guard.

1116
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: You've got Membo in the first round.

1117
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 3: Well, he's pretty down good.

1118
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: Okay, all right.

1119
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 4: We settled that we'll move on to the twenty twenty

1120
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 4: sixth draft on the next edition of Mike Shots, and

1121
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 4: our time is going to be fluid next week, and

1122
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 4: it's a huge week.

1123
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it fluid.

1124
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 4: Because we got free agency starting on Monday, and the

1125
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 4: new year starts at three o'clock on Wednesday next week.

1126
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 4: And it doesn't have anything to do with the fact

1127
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 4: that Mickey won't be back until time.

1128
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. We'll let you know when we'll be on

1129
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: next week.

1130
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 4: I'll be ready and in the meantime, make it a

1131
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 4: great week, everybody, Oh Cowboys.

1132
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and

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01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.