WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Trip the Light 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.600 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:12.799 Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. Listener mail. 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:13.960 My name is Robert. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.800 Lamb and I am Joe McCormick, and it's Monday, the 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.120 day of each week that we read back messages from 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.079 the Stuff to Blow Your Mind email address. If you 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.119 have never gotten in touch before and you'd like to 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.040 give it a shot, do give it a shot. This 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.800 is the time you can reach out to us at 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.400 contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. 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Let's see Rob, I think I'm 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.840 going to kick things off here with this message from 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.760 Chris in response to our series on cave biology. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:57.920 All right, let's have it. 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.520 Chris says, Hi, Robert, Joe and JJ really enjoyed the 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.680 first episode of the Hypogean World and the discussion about 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.560 the potential for the adaptations that selected for sightlessness and 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.679 the fact that the one fish you had described does 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:22.800 technically still have eyes during development, but then they lose them. 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.360 Did not realize this? Well, The first thing I see 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.960 when I open my browser this morning is a suggested 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:33.240 story on none other than blind cave salamanders coming to 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.600 the surface. So the article that Chris links here is 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.800 from Gizmoto from March thirteenth, twenty twenty four by Isaac Schultz, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:45.600 and it is called Scientists caught blind cave Salamanders sneaking 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.520 to Earth's surface. So here's the gist of the story. 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:53.760 This concerns recently published research about the om, the cave 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:58.440 adapted salamander from the dynaric karst of Europe, which we 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:00.200 talked about in one of the later parts of the 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.560 Cave series. So it's possible that when Chris sent this email, 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.560 we hadn't actually published our stuff about olms yet. So 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.800 nice coincidence. The olms are very cool animals because they 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.400 sort of live life in slow motion. They're thought to 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.560 sometimes live for a century or more. They can apparently 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:21.320 go years at a time without eating. Their cycle of 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.080 mating and reproduction is very slow. I seem to recall 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.560 it maybe like a decade or more in between their 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:32.280 breeding cycles. And we also discussed a study that found 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:36.240 that they can go for years at a time barely moving, 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.240 maybe moving no more than a few meters from their 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.600 starting location. And we also talked about how these animals 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.160 were first observed in village springs hundreds of years ago, 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:51.400 leading to these Carniolean peasants believing that they were baby 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.160 dragons that had been spit up by a big adult 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.960 dragon underground. And then of course came the developing biological 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:03.079 understanding that these were subterrean cave adapted amphibians. And the 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.080 idea was that, well, when there are heavy rains and 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:11.079 there's suddenly a lot of water flowing through these underground waterways, 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.560 these animals get washed up to the surface in these springs, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.400 they are washed out of their underground homes. But the 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.120 researchers who conducted this new study were handling olms found 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:26.480 in springs in surface springs in eastern Italy, and they 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.720 found that in some cases when these olms were handled, 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:34.000 they would like vomit up earthworms that they had previously eaten. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.800 And these earthworms are not prey that you would find 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.960 in the subterranean waterways where the olms are thought to 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.840 spend most of their lives. You would find them in 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.920 the soil on the surface, like up in the Epigean 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.040 world up above. And they said that many of these 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.600 surface olmes were in fact plump with earthworms they had 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:56.160 been eating very well on the surface. Here the researchers 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.960 also found evidence of olme activity in the surface springs 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.120 at a time when there was no preceding weather or 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.880 water activity that would have been likely to flush them 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.080 up to the surface against their will. So instead, the 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.560 researchers say, you know, these olmes are probably adapted to 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.080 live the vast majority of their lives in these subterranean 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.760 caverns and the underground waterways, but it seems they sometimes 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.160 probably make deliberate journeys to the surface, come up to 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.800 these surface springs to eat and maybe sometimes to breed. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.160 So there are like so you can be mostly adapted 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:35.120 to a totally underground, lightless way of living, but for 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.240 certain types of activities come all the way up to 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.800 the surface where you know, it was previously thought that 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.760 the vulnerabilities of the cave adapted animal on the surface 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.880 would make that kind of journey very unlikely. Because you know, 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.839 suddenly you're up here and you're vulnerable to predators. You 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.880 don't normally have to worry about predators and your underground habitat. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.280 You might be just generally not well adapted to a 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.240 place where there's a bunch of light. But it seems 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.920 like maybe the rewards in some cases make it worth 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.040 it for the olm to to come up and eat 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:07.440 a bunch of earthworms or whatever. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.720 Yeah, maybe heed that call to adventure perhaps, But that's 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:15.080 fascinating because it does turn some of what we thought 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:16.839 we knew about the olm on its head, you know, 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:23.240 considered concerning their their obligate subterranean life, their their tendency 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.680 to stay in just one very small area for the 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:31.040 duration of their very long life. So, yeah, fascinating information. 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.000 I'm trying to think of the equivalent. It would be 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:37.120 like if us surface adapted organisms. You know, we live 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.560 almost our entire lives on the surface, but we know 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.000 that maybe five hundred meters down in the in the 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.400 total darkness of a deep cave, there's like a really 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.400 good buffet. So if we get really hungry, we go 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:49.960 down there sometimes. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.960 Yeah, yeah, or you know, it's not completely out of 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.880 keeping with what we know about, you know, some ancient 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.800 peoples that would have maybe gone to do certain caves 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.719 for sacred purposes, you know, be it some sort of 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:07.440 like funeral ride or so forth. So yeah, fascinating to 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:07.919 think about. 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.640 Anyway, if you want to check out the underlying paper 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.120 that this Gismoto article was about, it was published in 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.280 the journal Ecology twenty twenty four by Minetti at All 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.880 and it is called Wandering Outside of the Sticks, a 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:25.160 surface activity of an iconic subterranean vertebrate, the OLM. All right, 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.599 ohen to come back to Chris's message, that was the 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.640 first half. Chris says, thanks again for all the fascinating 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.560 content on the subject of caves. I took a family 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.960 trip last fall to Mammoth Cave National Park in Kentucky. 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.320 What a great experience. We were lucky enough to be 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.440 able to take the Dome and drip Stones tour, and 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.960 during one part of that tour, they killed the lights 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.480 and had us in utter darkness, only to be broken 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.240 thirty seconds later by a single small lighter. It was 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.360 quite dramatic and a really fun experience. Highly recommend regards 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:58.839 Chris Awesome. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.080 Yeah, yeah, I think we alluded to this sort of 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:05.720 experience in the cave where you can you can experience this, 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:07.920 you know, deep true darkness like this. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.840 Yeah, the one time I've done this, it was it 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.320 was in caves in Oregon. It was an incredibly memorable experience. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.840 All right. This next one comes to us from pav 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.200 Have rites in and says Hello, Joe and Rob wanted 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.080 to drop you a quick note to say how much 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.640 I enjoyed the recent four episodes about the caves. The 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.600 exploration and mysterious atmosphere really captivated me. I'm hoping that 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.880 the next Weird House Cinema movie will continue this trend 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.800 with a cave themed horror flick. There are so many 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:43.720 possibilities to explore in that genre. Looking forward to what's next. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:45.800 Thanks pav Rob. 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.400 Do you have cave movies in mind? 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.280 I mean we have a few on the list for 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:54.800 the potential future that involved caves. I think the one 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.720 that we did right after the Cave Special had no caves, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.960 and the next one coming up also has no true caves. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.400 But I mean, on one hand, I was looking into it. 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.680 You know a number of films that we've covered already 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:12.880 feature Bronson Canyon in the Bronzon Caves in Griffith Park, 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.840 Los Angeles. These were featured in such films that we've 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:22.440 watched as Let's see the Return from nineteen eighty Let's see. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.920 Also there was let's see, we haven't done it conquered 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.080 the world yet, but that's that's certainly one that's potentially 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:28.679 on the list. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:30.920 Choke. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:35.360 Yeah, yeah, The Magic Sword apparently shot some scenes there 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:36.720 as well. I don't know if they did the full 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.040 cave or just sort of that neat canyon environment that 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.800 often feels like another world. And oh, robot monster of course. 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.640 So it's it's been a favorite spot to either create 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.920 another planet or to just have a haunting cave in 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.440 which may lurk a monster or a robot, or some 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.079 sort of combination of robot and monster. 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.760 It's a great place to learn, too late that man 0:08:58.840 --> 0:08:59.880 is a feeling creature. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.120 Yeah, but yeah, we have a number of films. I mean, 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.840 caves pop up in all sorts of fiction and all 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.360 sorts of genre pictures, those genre pictures that we may choose. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.520 But offhand, I know that we've talked about potentially covering 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:20.920 the Gargoyles movie from the nineteen seventies. Yeah, seventy two. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.720 Oh, the made for TV one with Bernie Casey. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.760 Yeah, that one prominently features some caves sets. And there 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.439 are a few other in this genre as well that 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.720 are on the list. A lot of bat people movies, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.000 troglodyte movies, and so forth. I mean, you can get 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.480 a good cave in there. There's some Paul Nashy films 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.760 that have some caves that I've batten around in my head. 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.480 So yeah, we'll definitely get back to some cave flicks 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:46.800 on Weird House Cinema. 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.880 I can't wait. Okay. Another short message, This one comes 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.840 from Emma in response to previous listener mail that brought 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.079 up the Encyclopedia Brown book series. I think somebody mentioned 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.720 it because they found out what Ambergris was from reading 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:10.040 Encyclopedia Brown books as a kid. Emma says, live from Victoria, 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:14.240 British Columbia, Canada, Grade three classroom. My son doesn't read them, 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.280 but I instantly thought of you all. And then they 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.920 attach a picture of a like a collection of classroom 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.720 reading material. The very first book in the stack is 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.920 Encyclopedia Brown's Book of Strange but True Crimes. 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.440 Yeah, there it is in the bin I wonder what 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.800 those strange crimes were. I assume mostly serial murders. 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.280 Yeah, what is what is true crime that's appropriate for children? 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.360 I know you're kind of limited to diamond heist and 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:43.080 so forth. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:44.800 Right, Yeah, true nonviolent crime. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.120 Yeah, but I mean, now, this is this is this 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.120 is fine. I have no again, I have no experience 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.520 with Encyclopedia Brown myself except it just vaguely remember the title. 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.520 But that's about it. So I think it's great that 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:59.800 people can still connect with this stuff. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.720 Okay, here, I think we're gonna have to switch over 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.120 and do some weird house cinema messages because we've got 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.160 a lot of them in the bin. Many people have 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.160 been writing in, especially about Dune, but about other episodes 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.520 as well. Maybe we should do all of the Dune 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.600 messages in a block. And before that, maybe I will 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.760 read this response from Bruce on the episode that I 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.880 did with Seth Nicholas Johnson while you were out about 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.439 the Monkey's movie head. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:38.200 Oh yeah, I listened to this episode. I wasn't able 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:39.960 to get a hold of the movie at the time 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.800 because I believe I was traveling, but yeah, I did 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:43.800 listen to the episode. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:45.640 Oh you should watch it sometime, Rob, I think you'd 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.480 appreciate it. Bruce says, stuff to blow your mind, folks. 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:51.920 I wanted to thank you so much for the latest 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.480 episode of Weird House on Head. I am also a 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.640 huge Monkeys fan, and this movie has always been a 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.080 favorite of mine. To demonstrate how much they were in 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:05.680 the middle of the whole sixties experience. For example, something 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.120 that isn't connected with the movie, but shows how much 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:11.160 influence the group had on the culture. The character of 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.240 Chekhov on the original Star Trek. I guess the original 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.120 TV series was added in season two as a direct 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.000 result of Davy Jones' popularity. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.240 I had no idea we got to get a Russian 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.600 monkey in there, Okay. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.760 So Bruce says, the thinking was, quote, we need our 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.959 own younger international character. Oh that's right, because the other 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.600 three monkeys were American. They're from the United States. But 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.920 Davy Jones was British and was the cute one and 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.880 had shaggy hair. But Bruce says, yeah, they were thinking, 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:50.760 we've got to get our own international character to capture 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.120 our fair share of the teeny bopper audience. And Bruce 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.920 says that's why Chekhov's hair was shaggier than anyone else's. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.520 Bruce goes on to say, the real reason writing is 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.079 to pass along some quotes from the twenty seventeen autobiography 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:08.760 of Michael Nesmith called Infinite Tuesday, where he shares first 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.520 hand riffs on head. I was somewhat surprised that the 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.600 book didn't make it into your narrative, as it has 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:19.280 some pretty interesting views. According to Mike. Quote and there 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.400 are a few substitutions in here for clarity. With the 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.280 Monkey movie, Bert Schneider and Bob Rafelson had decided to 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.920 kill the monster they thought they had created, and they 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.280 asked Jack Nicholson to help. They also asked the four 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:37.680 principal cast players Davy, Mickey, Peter, and Me to participate. 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.520 At first, I thought the suggestion was simply for the 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.120 four monkeys to join in on a trip to Ohi 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.960 and smoke dope, hang out with Bert and Bob and 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.440 Jack and race golf carts around the hotel. But no, 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.599 they were serious about the four of us actually contributing 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.240 to the screenplay. But then Bruce says He goes on 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.679 to say that it didn't work out because quote, we 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:02.120 were not drawn together. And then Bruce says, there is 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.160 a great quote about what Bert Schneider thought about the 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.600 screenplay quote. He Bert described it to me, Mike as 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.400 a wild gamble. He said he thought it would either 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.800 be recognized and revered or reviled and unsung. There would 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.920 be no in between and no ambivalence. Millions would attend 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.200 or no one would attend. He was right. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:24.240 Then. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.680 Bruce shares that Mike Nesmith's take on Head is this 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:32.280 quote drug addled, bizarre, obtuse and ignored as it was, 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:36.600 the movie still became an actual driving force. Instead of 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:41.120 destroying all things monkeys, it emblazoned them on pop culture permanently. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.880 Also an interesting take on the title. One of the 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.760 parody elements of the film, according to Mike, was that 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:52.479 Bob Rafelson wanted to include quote all his favorite genres 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.520 from Westerns to David Lean type epics two quote the 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.160 darkest thing on the planet. When Jack asked what that 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.680 would be, Bob said, Victor Mature's hair. Victor Mature is 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.920 the old Hollywood actor, like a you know, the sort 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:12.160 of dashing leading man with always very very well quaffed hair. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.400 And yes, parts of the movie do take place within 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:18.720 his hair. And so Bruce explains how, yes, they seized 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.480 on that moment and they said, yes, that's it, that 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.960 the movie must take place in Victor Mature's hair. Bruce says, 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.320 as drug riffs go, it is one of the greats, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.080 and it would serve the serve as the magic carpet 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:35.040 for the film. The serene fantasy behind the panicked psychedelia 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:41.600 Victor Mature's hair would be heads quote Dia Jesus, and 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.400 he says. Mike follows that with a cool story about 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:48.760 how he unwittingly provided the solution to getting Victor Mature 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.840 to participate in true Mike Nesmith's storytelling brilliance. The incident 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.000 is hilarious. I would share it here, but it goes 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:56.800 on for a number of pages and I couldn't do 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.760 Mike justice by condensing it. Find a copy of the 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.520 book can read it for yourself. Infinite Tuesday is about 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.080 so much more than the monkeys, though. Mike was such 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.000 an unrecognized talent, and he doesn't shrink away from as 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.640 many faults as he tells the story. But that's a 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.600 subject for another time. Thanks for shedding a spotlight on 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.840 the seminal film and reminding me why I'm such a 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.720 fan of these four guys. They truly do transcend pop 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.760 culture of the sixties and music. Bruce Well, thank you, 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:23.200 Bruce Well. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:23.480 Yeah. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:28.400 Actually, after Seth's recommendation to me in this episode, I 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.200 did spend the following weekend. I was actually on a 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.360 road trip and I listened to a bunch of Mike 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:39.360 Nesmith's solo albums. At the first one, I think it's 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:45.360 called Magnetic South maybe, but then also Nevada Fighter. There's 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.880 one called pretty much your Standard ranch Stash, and I 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:52.480 really enjoyed these. They're great sort of country rock, much 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.560 like Graham Parsons or the Flying Burrito Brothers, similar kind 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.040 of stuff, and it was really good. 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.440 Very cool. Go ahead, let's go ahead and dive into 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.240 some Dune feedback here. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:05.159 Oh boy. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:14.280 The first one comes to us from Lorenzo. Lorenzo says, Hi, Robin, Joe, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.200 I'm very pleased you're covering Dune two episodes. No less, 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.440 I wanted to write to you regarding the sound design 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.800 of the films of David Lynch, which I've been watching 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.359 since I was a kid. Joe, you were looking to 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:29.080 link Dune to subsequent Lynch films. Those soundscapes that persist 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.800 in hum that made the air heavy. I would have 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:36.840 propose that you could hear those films without seeing them. Thanks, Lorenzo. 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.679 Oh, Lorenzo, So you're saying that you could almost like 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.119 you could watch the movie without looking at the screen, 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.600 just like by the sounds creating the atmosphere and all that. 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.680 Yeah, I believe that's what he's saying here. And yeah, 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.800 that seems like a strong case to be made there. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.600 I agree. Yeah, I love those David Lynch sounds. Wait, 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.080 but you've been watching the sound the movies of David 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:58.560 Lynch since you were a kid. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:03.000 Well, I mean you'd start with Dune as a kid, right, Okay, yeah, 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:04.720 and then branch out of the other things. I think 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:06.560 that would that would be the best way to go. 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.200 Like if I were to start my son on David 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.520 Lynch and I was like really obsessed with getting him 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.960 literate in David Lynch, Like that's that's where we would 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.440 start at his age. Yeah, and even then I would 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:19.760 be like, this is gonna be a lot. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.880 I'm just imagining like eight year old's watching Eraserhead. 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.600 Yeah no, not not appropriate? Not appropriate? 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.159 All right, Next one, I'm gonna do is this message 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:37.600 from Steph. Steph says, Hi, Joe and Rob. I was 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.280 playing Listener Mail today and it unlocked a core memory 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:45.080 for me. My dad would rent a VCR when HBO 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.480 had their free preview weekends to record whatever movies he 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.840 could for free. One of our VHS tapes had the 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:56.840 combo of National Lampoon's Vacation, which segued into the first 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:01.640 part of Dune. In order to finish Dune, you had 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.160 to put in another VHS tape, which then segued from 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:10.400 the second part of Dune to Muppets Take Manhattan. Amazing. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.480 I don't think you could plan a more jarring transition 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.200 from one style of movie to another. We had about 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.080 a dozen tapes like that that would abruptly change from 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.119 one genre to another with almost no warning. It was 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.280 a wild time in home entertainment, but I remember but 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.680 one I remember with such fondness. We eventually bought our 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.840 very own VCRs, so then we always had something cool 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.080 to watch if we were homesick from school. Because a 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.840 kid could only take so much. Price is right when 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.879 you weren't feeling well. Always enjoy your shows, but especially 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.240 love weird house cinema. You have introduced me to so 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.600 many great weird movies and reminded me of others that 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:49.760 I had forgotten. When I saw that you were doing 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.480 a two parter on the nineteen eighty four version of Dune, 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.520 I let out an audible yes while making dinner that 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.440 caused my husband to wonder what was going on. Thanks 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.800 for all you do, staff. 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.640 That's great. I'm glad I'm not the only one who 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:05.920 had those tapes with like the three movies taped off 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.680 of HBO on them. I was I was thinking a 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.119 little bit more on this, and I could be wrong 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.760 about like what each individual tape, you know, contained, but 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.680 I vaguely remember there being a tape that maybe had Poltergeist, 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.840 which I was terrified to watch, terrifying film, and I 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.040 think it's still the effects hold up, Yeah, not get 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.280 appropriate in my opinion. And then it had Raiders of 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.239 the Lost Arc, which was one of my favorites. And 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.000 then I think it also had the nineteen eighty four 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:39.240 Robin Williams drama Moscow on the Hudson, which was not 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:45.159 appropriate for children or even like interesting to children, but 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:46.280 it was there. 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.000 I had tapes like this as well, not from HBO. 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.520 I don't recall us ever getting free free trials of 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:54.760 HBO or anything. I guess I don't know. That must 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.679 have been the thing somewhere else or something, but we 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:00.560 didn't have that. We had stuff that was taped off 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:05.400 of TV, sometimes with like jarring transitions where I got 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:06.840 really good at doing this thing when I was a kid, 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.960 where I would try to hit stop recording during the 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.040 commercial breaks on the TV things and then started back up. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.040 But sometimes you'd miss your queue and then so like 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.000 part of the movie would be gone, and then sometimes 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:20.800 you'd accidentally tape over something. So yeah, my tapes were 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.080 a mess, but I cherished them. Nonetheless. 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:29.040 It's crazy looking back on how we use VHS technology 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:32.200 at times to try and capture some sort of pristine 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.359 cut of a film off of a television broadcast, like 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:39.280 it was never going to be, like the video quality 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.280 wasn't going to be good. You probably weren't going to 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:45.120 have like the actual theatrical cut to any extent, and 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:50.120 it's not like your removal of the advertisements was going 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:54.040 to be seamless. And then fast forward till today, those 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:57.600 sorts of tapes they're mostly only interesting if you have 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.960 the commercial still on there if you still have studio 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:07.040 not studio, but you know, TV station material on there, 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:08.879 things other than the movie, which is gonna be in 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:10.240 dreadful quality to begin with. 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:12.760 Yeah, and also the way they used to edit things 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.600 for TV, not just for content, but just for run time, 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:19.639