1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. Listener mail. 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: My name is Robert. 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 3: Lamb and I am Joe McCormick, and it's Monday, the 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: day of each week that we read back messages from 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 3: the Stuff to Blow Your Mind email address. If you 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 3: have never gotten in touch before and you'd like to 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: give it a shot, do give it a shot. This 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: is the time you can reach out to us at 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. 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Let's see Rob, I think I'm 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: going to kick things off here with this message from 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: Chris in response to our series on cave biology. 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: All right, let's have it. 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: Chris says, Hi, Robert, Joe and JJ really enjoyed the 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 3: first episode of the Hypogean World and the discussion about 22 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: the potential for the adaptations that selected for sightlessness and 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 3: the fact that the one fish you had described does 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: technically still have eyes during development, but then they lose them. 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: Did not realize this? Well, The first thing I see 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 3: when I open my browser this morning is a suggested 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: story on none other than blind cave salamanders coming to 28 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: the surface. So the article that Chris links here is 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: from Gizmoto from March thirteenth, twenty twenty four by Isaac Schultz, 30 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: and it is called Scientists caught blind cave Salamanders sneaking 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 3: to Earth's surface. So here's the gist of the story. 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: This concerns recently published research about the om, the cave 33 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 3: adapted salamander from the dynaric karst of Europe, which we 34 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: talked about in one of the later parts of the 35 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: Cave series. So it's possible that when Chris sent this email, 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: we hadn't actually published our stuff about olms yet. So 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 3: nice coincidence. The olms are very cool animals because they 38 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: sort of live life in slow motion. They're thought to 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: sometimes live for a century or more. They can apparently 40 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: go years at a time without eating. Their cycle of 41 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 3: mating and reproduction is very slow. I seem to recall 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: it maybe like a decade or more in between their 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: breeding cycles. And we also discussed a study that found 44 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 3: that they can go for years at a time barely moving, 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 3: maybe moving no more than a few meters from their 46 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: starting location. And we also talked about how these animals 47 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: were first observed in village springs hundreds of years ago, 48 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 3: leading to these Carniolean peasants believing that they were baby 49 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: dragons that had been spit up by a big adult 50 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: dragon underground. And then of course came the developing biological 51 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 3: understanding that these were subterrean cave adapted amphibians. And the 52 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 3: idea was that, well, when there are heavy rains and 53 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 3: there's suddenly a lot of water flowing through these underground waterways, 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: these animals get washed up to the surface in these springs, 55 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: they are washed out of their underground homes. But the 56 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: researchers who conducted this new study were handling olms found 57 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: in springs in surface springs in eastern Italy, and they 58 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: found that in some cases when these olms were handled, 59 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: they would like vomit up earthworms that they had previously eaten. 60 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: And these earthworms are not prey that you would find 61 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: in the subterranean waterways where the olms are thought to 62 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: spend most of their lives. You would find them in 63 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: the soil on the surface, like up in the Epigean 64 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: world up above. And they said that many of these 65 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: surface olmes were in fact plump with earthworms they had 66 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: been eating very well on the surface. Here the researchers 67 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: also found evidence of olme activity in the surface springs 68 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: at a time when there was no preceding weather or 69 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: water activity that would have been likely to flush them 70 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: up to the surface against their will. So instead, the 71 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: researchers say, you know, these olmes are probably adapted to 72 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: live the vast majority of their lives in these subterranean 73 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: caverns and the underground waterways, but it seems they sometimes 74 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 3: probably make deliberate journeys to the surface, come up to 75 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: these surface springs to eat and maybe sometimes to breed. 76 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: So there are like so you can be mostly adapted 77 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: to a totally underground, lightless way of living, but for 78 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: certain types of activities come all the way up to 79 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: the surface where you know, it was previously thought that 80 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 3: the vulnerabilities of the cave adapted animal on the surface 81 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: would make that kind of journey very unlikely. Because you know, 82 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 3: suddenly you're up here and you're vulnerable to predators. You 83 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: don't normally have to worry about predators and your underground habitat. 84 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 3: You might be just generally not well adapted to a 85 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: place where there's a bunch of light. But it seems 86 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 3: like maybe the rewards in some cases make it worth 87 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: it for the olm to to come up and eat 88 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: a bunch of earthworms or whatever. 89 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe heed that call to adventure perhaps, But that's 90 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: fascinating because it does turn some of what we thought 91 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: we knew about the olm on its head, you know, 92 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: considered concerning their their obligate subterranean life, their their tendency 93 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: to stay in just one very small area for the 94 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: duration of their very long life. So, yeah, fascinating information. 95 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of the equivalent. It would be 96 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: like if us surface adapted organisms. You know, we live 97 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: almost our entire lives on the surface, but we know 98 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: that maybe five hundred meters down in the in the 99 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: total darkness of a deep cave, there's like a really 100 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: good buffet. So if we get really hungry, we go 101 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: down there sometimes. 102 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, or you know, it's not completely out of 103 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: keeping with what we know about, you know, some ancient 104 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: peoples that would have maybe gone to do certain caves 105 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 2: for sacred purposes, you know, be it some sort of 106 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: like funeral ride or so forth. So yeah, fascinating to 107 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 2: think about. 108 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: Anyway, if you want to check out the underlying paper 109 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: that this Gismoto article was about, it was published in 110 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 3: the journal Ecology twenty twenty four by Minetti at All 111 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: and it is called Wandering Outside of the Sticks, a 112 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 3: surface activity of an iconic subterranean vertebrate, the OLM. All right, 113 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 3: ohen to come back to Chris's message, that was the 114 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: first half. Chris says, thanks again for all the fascinating 115 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: content on the subject of caves. I took a family 116 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: trip last fall to Mammoth Cave National Park in Kentucky. 117 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 3: What a great experience. We were lucky enough to be 118 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: able to take the Dome and drip Stones tour, and 119 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: during one part of that tour, they killed the lights 120 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: and had us in utter darkness, only to be broken 121 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: thirty seconds later by a single small lighter. It was 122 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: quite dramatic and a really fun experience. Highly recommend regards 123 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: Chris Awesome. 124 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think we alluded to this sort of 125 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 2: experience in the cave where you can you can experience this, 126 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: you know, deep true darkness like this. 127 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, the one time I've done this, it was it 128 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: was in caves in Oregon. It was an incredibly memorable experience. 129 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: All right. This next one comes to us from pav 130 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: Have rites in and says Hello, Joe and Rob wanted 131 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: to drop you a quick note to say how much 132 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: I enjoyed the recent four episodes about the caves. The 133 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: exploration and mysterious atmosphere really captivated me. I'm hoping that 134 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: the next Weird House Cinema movie will continue this trend 135 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: with a cave themed horror flick. There are so many 136 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: possibilities to explore in that genre. Looking forward to what's next. 137 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: Thanks pav Rob. 138 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: Do you have cave movies in mind? 139 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: I mean we have a few on the list for 140 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: the potential future that involved caves. I think the one 141 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: that we did right after the Cave Special had no caves, 142 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: and the next one coming up also has no true caves. 143 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: But I mean, on one hand, I was looking into it. 144 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: You know a number of films that we've covered already 145 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: feature Bronson Canyon in the Bronzon Caves in Griffith Park, 146 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. These were featured in such films that we've 147 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: watched as Let's see the Return from nineteen eighty Let's see. 148 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: Also there was let's see, we haven't done it conquered 149 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: the world yet, but that's that's certainly one that's potentially 150 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 2: on the list. 151 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: Choke. 152 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, The Magic Sword apparently shot some scenes there 153 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: as well. I don't know if they did the full 154 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: cave or just sort of that neat canyon environment that 155 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: often feels like another world. And oh, robot monster of course. 156 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: So it's it's been a favorite spot to either create 157 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: another planet or to just have a haunting cave in 158 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: which may lurk a monster or a robot, or some 159 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 2: sort of combination of robot and monster. 160 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: It's a great place to learn, too late that man 161 00:08:58,840 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: is a feeling creature. 162 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, we have a number of films. I mean, 163 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: caves pop up in all sorts of fiction and all 164 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: sorts of genre pictures, those genre pictures that we may choose. 165 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: But offhand, I know that we've talked about potentially covering 166 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: the Gargoyles movie from the nineteen seventies. Yeah, seventy two. 167 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 3: Oh, the made for TV one with Bernie Casey. 168 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that one prominently features some caves sets. And there 169 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: are a few other in this genre as well that 170 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: are on the list. A lot of bat people movies, 171 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: troglodyte movies, and so forth. I mean, you can get 172 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: a good cave in there. There's some Paul Nashy films 173 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: that have some caves that I've batten around in my head. 174 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll definitely get back to some cave flicks 175 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: on Weird House Cinema. 176 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: I can't wait. Okay. Another short message, This one comes 177 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: from Emma in response to previous listener mail that brought 178 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 3: up the Encyclopedia Brown book series. I think somebody mentioned 179 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: it because they found out what Ambergris was from reading 180 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: Encyclopedia Brown books as a kid. Emma says, live from Victoria, 181 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: British Columbia, Canada, Grade three classroom. My son doesn't read them, 182 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: but I instantly thought of you all. And then they 183 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: attach a picture of a like a collection of classroom 184 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 3: reading material. The very first book in the stack is 185 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: Encyclopedia Brown's Book of Strange but True Crimes. 186 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is in the bin I wonder what 187 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: those strange crimes were. I assume mostly serial murders. 188 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, what is what is true crime that's appropriate for children? 189 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: I know you're kind of limited to diamond heist and 190 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: so forth. 191 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, true nonviolent crime. 192 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, now, this is this is this 193 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: is fine. I have no again, I have no experience 194 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: with Encyclopedia Brown myself except it just vaguely remember the title. 195 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: But that's about it. So I think it's great that 196 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: people can still connect with this stuff. 197 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 3: Okay, here, I think we're gonna have to switch over 198 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 3: and do some weird house cinema messages because we've got 199 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: a lot of them in the bin. Many people have 200 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: been writing in, especially about Dune, but about other episodes 201 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: as well. Maybe we should do all of the Dune 202 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: messages in a block. And before that, maybe I will 203 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: read this response from Bruce on the episode that I 204 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 3: did with Seth Nicholas Johnson while you were out about 205 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 3: the Monkey's movie head. 206 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I listened to this episode. I wasn't able 207 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: to get a hold of the movie at the time 208 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: because I believe I was traveling, but yeah, I did 209 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: listen to the episode. 210 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: Oh you should watch it sometime, Rob, I think you'd 211 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 3: appreciate it. Bruce says, stuff to blow your mind, folks. 212 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: I wanted to thank you so much for the latest 213 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: episode of Weird House on Head. I am also a 214 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 3: huge Monkeys fan, and this movie has always been a 215 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: favorite of mine. To demonstrate how much they were in 216 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 3: the middle of the whole sixties experience. For example, something 217 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: that isn't connected with the movie, but shows how much 218 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: influence the group had on the culture. The character of 219 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 3: Chekhov on the original Star Trek. I guess the original 220 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: TV series was added in season two as a direct 221 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: result of Davy Jones' popularity. 222 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: I had no idea we got to get a Russian 223 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: monkey in there, Okay. 224 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: So Bruce says, the thinking was, quote, we need our 225 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 3: own younger international character. Oh that's right, because the other 226 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: three monkeys were American. They're from the United States. But 227 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 3: Davy Jones was British and was the cute one and 228 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: had shaggy hair. But Bruce says, yeah, they were thinking, 229 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: we've got to get our own international character to capture 230 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 3: our fair share of the teeny bopper audience. And Bruce 231 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: says that's why Chekhov's hair was shaggier than anyone else's. 232 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: Bruce goes on to say, the real reason writing is 233 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 3: to pass along some quotes from the twenty seventeen autobiography 234 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: of Michael Nesmith called Infinite Tuesday, where he shares first 235 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 3: hand riffs on head. I was somewhat surprised that the 236 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: book didn't make it into your narrative, as it has 237 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: some pretty interesting views. According to Mike. Quote and there 238 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 3: are a few substitutions in here for clarity. With the 239 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: Monkey movie, Bert Schneider and Bob Rafelson had decided to 240 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: kill the monster they thought they had created, and they 241 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: asked Jack Nicholson to help. They also asked the four 242 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: principal cast players Davy, Mickey, Peter, and Me to participate. 243 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: At first, I thought the suggestion was simply for the 244 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: four monkeys to join in on a trip to Ohi 245 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: and smoke dope, hang out with Bert and Bob and 246 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: Jack and race golf carts around the hotel. But no, 247 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 3: they were serious about the four of us actually contributing 248 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: to the screenplay. But then Bruce says He goes on 249 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 3: to say that it didn't work out because quote, we 250 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: were not drawn together. And then Bruce says, there is 251 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: a great quote about what Bert Schneider thought about the 252 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: screenplay quote. He Bert described it to me, Mike as 253 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: a wild gamble. He said he thought it would either 254 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: be recognized and revered or reviled and unsung. There would 255 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: be no in between and no ambivalence. Millions would attend 256 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: or no one would attend. He was right. 257 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: Then. 258 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: Bruce shares that Mike Nesmith's take on Head is this 259 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 3: quote drug addled, bizarre, obtuse and ignored as it was, 260 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 3: the movie still became an actual driving force. Instead of 261 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: destroying all things monkeys, it emblazoned them on pop culture permanently. 262 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: Also an interesting take on the title. One of the 263 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: parody elements of the film, according to Mike, was that 264 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,479 Speaker 3: Bob Rafelson wanted to include quote all his favorite genres 265 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: from Westerns to David Lean type epics two quote the 266 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 3: darkest thing on the planet. When Jack asked what that 267 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: would be, Bob said, Victor Mature's hair. Victor Mature is 268 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: the old Hollywood actor, like a you know, the sort 269 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: of dashing leading man with always very very well quaffed hair. 270 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: And yes, parts of the movie do take place within 271 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: his hair. And so Bruce explains how, yes, they seized 272 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: on that moment and they said, yes, that's it, that 273 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: the movie must take place in Victor Mature's hair. Bruce says, 274 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: as drug riffs go, it is one of the greats, 275 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 3: and it would serve the serve as the magic carpet 276 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: for the film. The serene fantasy behind the panicked psychedelia 277 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: Victor Mature's hair would be heads quote Dia Jesus, and 278 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: he says. Mike follows that with a cool story about 279 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 3: how he unwittingly provided the solution to getting Victor Mature 280 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: to participate in true Mike Nesmith's storytelling brilliance. The incident 281 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: is hilarious. I would share it here, but it goes 282 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 3: on for a number of pages and I couldn't do 283 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: Mike justice by condensing it. Find a copy of the 284 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: book can read it for yourself. Infinite Tuesday is about 285 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: so much more than the monkeys, though. Mike was such 286 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: an unrecognized talent, and he doesn't shrink away from as 287 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: many faults as he tells the story. But that's a 288 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: subject for another time. Thanks for shedding a spotlight on 289 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: the seminal film and reminding me why I'm such a 290 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: fan of these four guys. They truly do transcend pop 291 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: culture of the sixties and music. Bruce Well, thank you, 292 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: Bruce Well. 293 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 294 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: Actually, after Seth's recommendation to me in this episode, I 295 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 3: did spend the following weekend. I was actually on a 296 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: road trip and I listened to a bunch of Mike 297 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: Nesmith's solo albums. At the first one, I think it's 298 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: called Magnetic South maybe, but then also Nevada Fighter. There's 299 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: one called pretty much your Standard ranch Stash, and I 300 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 3: really enjoyed these. They're great sort of country rock, much 301 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: like Graham Parsons or the Flying Burrito Brothers, similar kind 302 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: of stuff, and it was really good. 303 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: Very cool. Go ahead, let's go ahead and dive into 304 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: some Dune feedback here. 305 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 3: Oh boy. 306 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: The first one comes to us from Lorenzo. Lorenzo says, Hi, Robin, Joe, 307 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: I'm very pleased you're covering Dune two episodes. No less, 308 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: I wanted to write to you regarding the sound design 309 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: of the films of David Lynch, which I've been watching 310 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: since I was a kid. Joe, you were looking to 311 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: link Dune to subsequent Lynch films. Those soundscapes that persist 312 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: in hum that made the air heavy. I would have 313 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: propose that you could hear those films without seeing them. Thanks, Lorenzo. 314 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 3: Oh, Lorenzo, So you're saying that you could almost like 315 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: you could watch the movie without looking at the screen, 316 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: just like by the sounds creating the atmosphere and all that. 317 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that's what he's saying here. And yeah, 318 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: that seems like a strong case to be made there. 319 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: I agree. Yeah, I love those David Lynch sounds. Wait, 320 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: but you've been watching the sound the movies of David 321 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: Lynch since you were a kid. 322 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: Well, I mean you'd start with Dune as a kid, right, Okay, yeah, 323 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: and then branch out of the other things. I think 324 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: that would that would be the best way to go. 325 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: Like if I were to start my son on David 326 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: Lynch and I was like really obsessed with getting him 327 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: literate in David Lynch, Like that's that's where we would 328 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 2: start at his age. Yeah, and even then I would 329 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: be like, this is gonna be a lot. 330 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 3: I'm just imagining like eight year old's watching Eraserhead. 331 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: Yeah no, not not appropriate? Not appropriate? 332 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 3: All right, Next one, I'm gonna do is this message 333 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: from Steph. Steph says, Hi, Joe and Rob. I was 334 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: playing Listener Mail today and it unlocked a core memory 335 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: for me. My dad would rent a VCR when HBO 336 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: had their free preview weekends to record whatever movies he 337 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: could for free. One of our VHS tapes had the 338 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 3: combo of National Lampoon's Vacation, which segued into the first 339 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 3: part of Dune. In order to finish Dune, you had 340 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 3: to put in another VHS tape, which then segued from 341 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 3: the second part of Dune to Muppets Take Manhattan. Amazing. 342 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: I don't think you could plan a more jarring transition 343 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 3: from one style of movie to another. We had about 344 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: a dozen tapes like that that would abruptly change from 345 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: one genre to another with almost no warning. It was 346 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 3: a wild time in home entertainment, but I remember but 347 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 3: one I remember with such fondness. We eventually bought our 348 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: very own VCRs, so then we always had something cool 349 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 3: to watch if we were homesick from school. Because a 350 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: kid could only take so much. Price is right when 351 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 3: you weren't feeling well. Always enjoy your shows, but especially 352 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: love weird house cinema. You have introduced me to so 353 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 3: many great weird movies and reminded me of others that 354 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 3: I had forgotten. When I saw that you were doing 355 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: a two parter on the nineteen eighty four version of Dune, 356 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 3: I let out an audible yes while making dinner that 357 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: caused my husband to wonder what was going on. Thanks 358 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 3: for all you do, staff. 359 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 2: That's great. I'm glad I'm not the only one who 360 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 2: had those tapes with like the three movies taped off 361 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: of HBO on them. I was I was thinking a 362 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 2: little bit more on this, and I could be wrong 363 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: about like what each individual tape, you know, contained, but 364 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 2: I vaguely remember there being a tape that maybe had Poltergeist, 365 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: which I was terrified to watch, terrifying film, and I 366 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: think it's still the effects hold up, Yeah, not get 367 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: appropriate in my opinion. And then it had Raiders of 368 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,239 Speaker 2: the Lost Arc, which was one of my favorites. And 369 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: then I think it also had the nineteen eighty four 370 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: Robin Williams drama Moscow on the Hudson, which was not 371 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: appropriate for children or even like interesting to children, but 372 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: it was there. 373 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: I had tapes like this as well, not from HBO. 374 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: I don't recall us ever getting free free trials of 375 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: HBO or anything. I guess I don't know. That must 376 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 3: have been the thing somewhere else or something, but we 377 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 3: didn't have that. We had stuff that was taped off 378 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 3: of TV, sometimes with like jarring transitions where I got 379 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: really good at doing this thing when I was a kid, 380 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: where I would try to hit stop recording during the 381 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: commercial breaks on the TV things and then started back up. 382 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: But sometimes you'd miss your queue and then so like 383 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: part of the movie would be gone, and then sometimes 384 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 3: you'd accidentally tape over something. So yeah, my tapes were 385 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: a mess, but I cherished them. Nonetheless. 386 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: It's crazy looking back on how we use VHS technology 387 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: at times to try and capture some sort of pristine 388 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: cut of a film off of a television broadcast, like 389 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: it was never going to be, like the video quality 390 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: wasn't going to be good. You probably weren't going to 391 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 2: have like the actual theatrical cut to any extent, and 392 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: it's not like your removal of the advertisements was going 393 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: to be seamless. And then fast forward till today, those 394 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: sorts of tapes they're mostly only interesting if you have 395 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: the commercial still on there if you still have studio 396 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: not studio, but you know, TV station material on there, 397 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: things other than the movie, which is gonna be in 398 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: dreadful quality to begin with. 399 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and also the way they used to edit things 400 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: for TV, not just for content, but just for run time, 401 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 3: so there'd just be stuff cut out randomly to you know, 402 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: to get it down to fit. Nothing's in the original 403 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 3: aspect ratio. 404 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: It's hilarious, Yeah, except in rare exceptions where you have 405 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 2: films that have never come out in better quality, and 406 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: there are there are still those out there for sure. 407 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 3: Let's see Rob. Do you mind if I do this 408 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 3: last message from Constantinos here? Oh? 409 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: Yes do? 410 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 3: Constantinos says so apropos of nothing in particular. Here is 411 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: a twenty ten fat Boy Slim video of Christopher Walkin 412 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 3: dancing to the song Weapon of Choice. Note the lyrics 413 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 3: at about two minutes into the song. The lyrics are 414 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 3: walking without rhythm, it won't attract the worm. Uh, And 415 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: it just keeps repeating that until finally it says, if 416 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 3: you walk without rhythm, you never learn. 417 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: Uh. 418 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 3: Just a little note. I don't think I realized this 419 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: until I looked the song up. But the vocals on 420 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 3: this song are by Bootsy Collins. 421 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, I think they're altered a little bit, 422 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: but yeah, that's that's Bootsy in there. 423 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 3: But this is a This is a classic fat Boy 424 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: Slim video directed by Spike Jones, I believe with yeah, 425 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: with Christopher Walkin dancing, and Christopher Walkin of course was 426 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 3: a dancer, so you know he can he can handle it. 427 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you also see him dancing and What Pennies 428 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 2: from Heaven? I believe he dances in that film as well. 429 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: I've seen it. 430 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: Oh it's pretty good as racllp in a while, but yeah, 431 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: he definitely cuts a rug in this in this Fat 432 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 2: Boy Slim video. I I I do vividly remember it 433 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: when it first debuted on MTV, and uh it's it's 434 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: a great track as well. I mean, fat Boy Slim 435 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 2: had some real some some really good hits. Album Better 436 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: Living Through Chemistry from nineteen ninety six was pretty phenomenal. 437 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: Anyway, coming back to Constantinos's message, I'm pretty sure that 438 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: this is video evidence that Christopher Walkin manifested the newest 439 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 3: Dune movie just by sheer force of will or can 440 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 3: you just believe it is a happy coincidence that this 441 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 3: man happened to be cast in Dune a decade after 442 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: this wonderful jazz somba fusion dance ode to Shi hulud. 443 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: Because there is no Illuminati and birds are real, just 444 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 3: trying to keep doing weird Thank you for a fun 445 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: edition of Weird House Cinema. Now do the series, and 446 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: then Constantinos includes a link and says regards, well, thank 447 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 3: you very much for the message, and thank you for 448 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 3: giving me an excuse to watch this video again. I 449 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 3: really enjoyed it, and I truly I don't think I 450 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: had ever noticed the quote from Dune in it before. 451 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, walk without rhythm so you don't attract 452 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: the word yeah. Apparently someone asked him about this in 453 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: a recent interview, and he said that he never realized 454 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: there was a Dune connection in it until he was 455 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: cast in the recent Dune Part two film, and then 456 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: someone pointed it out to him. 457 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 3: Must be magic. 458 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but absolutely great track, still holds up, great music video. 459 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: Okay, should we wrap it up there? 460 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go ahead and wrap it up. 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