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Speaker 1: Smell us now, Lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.

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Speaker 2: That's also eleven am for our friends in moab Utah

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Speaker 2: on Thursday, January twenty second, when we're live from Meat

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Speaker 2: Eater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today

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Speaker 2: by Jannis and Seth. On today's show, we'll interview Sue

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Speaker 2: Richardson about the historical figure Wilson Snowflake Bentley. Then we'll

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Speaker 2: review some items for gear Talk, followed by a batch

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Speaker 2: of top threes, and finally we'll interview Michael Hadsel about

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Speaker 2: the world's one and only search and rescue otter. First, Seth, Yanni,

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Speaker 2: what have you boys been up to?

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Speaker 1: Cold? January? Uh? Cold? Cold this weekend? This is like

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Speaker 1: the first weeks cold feels notable.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen the forecast for like east of US,

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Speaker 2: Northern Minnesota, negative seventy wind chill.

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Speaker 3: Well northern Montana, like up on the high Line, Malta.

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Speaker 3: They're they're getting real cold stuff.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's getting real winter.

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Speaker 3: Besides US, Pennsylvania's getting real cold stuff, a lot of snow.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we've boy's been up to I went and

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Speaker 1: did a little.

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Speaker 3: My wife and I went out to eastern Montana last weekend,

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Speaker 3: did a little looking around for things, fossils and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: You're the only one who was rock counting in January.

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Speaker 3: Well, I used getting old, but uh, you know it's

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Speaker 3: been warm and there's everything's not covered up in snow.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a perfect Did you find found

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Speaker 3: some back lights?

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Speaker 1: How big? Show me? Uh?

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Speaker 3: I found one that was probably four or five inches long. Good,

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Speaker 3: And then we found like three of those and then found,

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Speaker 3: uh the part of a bison vertebrae that has the

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Speaker 3: thing sticking up real high on them.

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Speaker 2: Oh, like the on their back. Yeah, way cool. That

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Speaker 2: showed me how big that was.

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Speaker 1: That was probably six seven inches tall. And then.

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Speaker 3: We found I just I can't like confirm how authentic

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Speaker 3: this is, but we found some carvings in Sandstone. That

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Speaker 3: one was in June twenty fifth, nineteen eleven, Frenchy the Trapper.

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Speaker 2: Oh and you're suspicious that may not have been in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eleven from Frenchy the Trap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you just can't tell, you know, like I want to,

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Speaker 3: it totally could be. I believe it's hard it's hard

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Speaker 3: to tell. And then we found another carving that, you know,

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Speaker 3: like the famous Western artist Charlie Russell, like the.

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Speaker 1: Cmrs named after.

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Speaker 3: We found a cm carved in sandstone that looks very

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Speaker 3: similar to his signature.

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Speaker 1: That's way cool.

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Speaker 3: So Kelsey's a big fan of Oh yeah, a huge fan. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we have his work, prince of his work hanging in

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Speaker 3: our house. Huh. But yeah, I can't, like I said,

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Speaker 3: can't confirm if it's really authentic stuff.

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Speaker 1: But are you gonna are you gonna bring these findings

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Speaker 1: to someone else's attention that could maybe authenticate them? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we know a guy that's part of like

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Speaker 3: the the Charlie Russell Historic Society thing or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be something?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be cool. It'd be super cool. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's what I've been doing.

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Speaker 1: Johnny Lyon, Man, you like the winter? Love it? You don't?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if I were ranking the four seasons, it's

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Speaker 2: an easy fourth place for me, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: I've never thought about ranking the seasons like you above four.

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Speaker 1: I would not live in a place it doesn't have

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Speaker 1: four seasons, I agree, but I don't know, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's one of those like Steve things of God's pointing

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Speaker 1: a gun at your head and you have to pick

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Speaker 1: you know, the great like they're all great. Sure, running

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Speaker 1: is great in the winter. Running is great in the

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Speaker 1: summer too, but for different reasons.

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Speaker 2: Right, Fall number one, Summer number two, Spring number three,

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Speaker 2: Winter number four?

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Speaker 1: Easy you go now? Oh geez uh? Fall one two,

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Speaker 1: Spring three, Winter for summer? Wow, what an upset? So

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Speaker 1: you love winter? You freak a lot of good things

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Speaker 1: to do in the winter. Okay, tell me what you've

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Speaker 1: been doing then, Well, yeah, we haven't been doing the

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Speaker 1: normal winter activities because of our lack of snow here.

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Speaker 1: But ming has not been trying to catch lions, uh,

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Speaker 1: not doing real good at that. I have not caught

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Speaker 1: might have already talked about this, but this track literally

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Speaker 1: they've gone into private. It's just a thing with Montana, man,

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Speaker 1: there's like a even though we have a lot of public,

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Speaker 1: there's just always some private around. And then you know

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Speaker 1: those cats take a left instead of it right, and

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Speaker 1: they're going towards private. Nothing you can do about it.

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Speaker 2: Sure, and you can get access to that private and

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Speaker 2: you know, especially if you're within an hour of Bozeman here,

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Speaker 2: like that private could be very skinny. And then he's

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Speaker 2: already three private parcels away.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it doesn't make sense to call somebody

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Speaker 1: to access forty acres or even a couple hundred acres. Now,

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Speaker 1: if it's like thousands, it makes sense. And I've been

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Speaker 1: I've been calling them. But we did catch our first

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Speaker 1: Bobcat ever solo two weekends ago, which was a you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a real proud moment for me as a houndowner,

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Speaker 2: It's know, the difference when he's like on a track

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Speaker 2: like this is a Bobcat, this is.

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Speaker 1: A you don't think so no, I don't know. There's

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Speaker 1: no way that I could I would know. But what

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Speaker 1: was cool about it is that he'd already tracked one

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Speaker 1: A lot of times, if I know it's a bobcat

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Speaker 1: let him do it, but I'm gonna sort of start

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Speaker 1: I want to see if we can find a lion track, right,

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Speaker 1: And the reason being I've talked about this before too,

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Speaker 1: but just to explain to everybody, lions have small lungs.

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Speaker 1: They cannot outrun a hound, so when they get pressured

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Speaker 1: they bay up or whatever. Sometimes there might be a

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Speaker 1: I guess that it's just because a bobcat is prey

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Speaker 1: And if they have a jump, then they start to

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Speaker 1: do figure eights, backtrack, go up trees, jump from one

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Speaker 1: like if you're in the zone, there's a chance you

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Speaker 1: can see a bobcat, right And it's never happened to me.

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Speaker 1: But Jennifer was with me, why my wife, and we're

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Speaker 1: staying there and Mingus has been on the track now

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Speaker 1: for I don't know half an hour, and I could

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Speaker 1: hear it in his voice that something had changed, like

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Speaker 1: was becoming more rapid. I'm like, man, he might have

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Speaker 1: And I said to Jennifer, wouldn't it be cool like

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Speaker 1: if we just like saw bobcat come sneaking through here?

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Speaker 1: You know, while Mingus is on his track, and two

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Speaker 1: and here comes a bobcat, not worried whatsoever that he's

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Speaker 1: got one hundred pound pound somewhere one hundred yards behind him.

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Speaker 1: He's just slinking through the woods, not looking over his shoulder.

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Speaker 1: How far away was Mingus? You think one hundred plus

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Speaker 1: and I at ten yards. I should have gave this

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Speaker 1: I got my camera out fast enough and got you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe three four seconds I've been walking through. Did you

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Speaker 1: That was so rad And it takes me a couple

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Speaker 1: Mingus over here. That's a hot track right there. There

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Speaker 1: hasn't been a hotter track ever. And Mingus calms call

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Speaker 1: went to the creek bottom, took off our packs, started

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Speaker 2: Good did he see the bobcat in the tree? Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he knows, Oh yeah good.

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Speaker 1: He did not want to leave the tree because I

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Speaker 1: didn't have my uh wish Steve was here so he

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Speaker 1: could make more fun of me about this. But in Montana,

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Speaker 1: probably a lot of places. You got to buy a

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Speaker 1: fur bear license before the season starts if you want

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Speaker 1: to kill a bobcat. I had not done that this year,

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Speaker 1: just slip my mind. So they're safe. And so yeah,

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Speaker 1: But honestly, it's like, I don't know, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: the other, I'd rather just have my dog catching bobcats

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Speaker 1: and looking at him and walking away like that's waycore

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Speaker 1: than to say I like, I'd rather have three the

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Speaker 1: Mingus had caught on his own and taking pictures of

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Speaker 1: it than one he had caught and I got to

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Speaker 1: kill it. Yeah, good for Mingus. Yeah, more more Mingus

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Speaker 1: stories to come. So luckily we have. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: only the end of January. We still have February, March,

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Speaker 1: half of April to keep hunting lions and cats.

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Speaker 2: The winter pervert lovers like you, honest, a lot of

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Speaker 2: winter to go. Speaking of winter, let's go to our

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Speaker 2: now is Sue Richardson, the VP of the Jericho Historical Society.

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Speaker 2: Sue is here to talk to us about her great

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Speaker 1: Sue, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, it's puny to be here.

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Speaker 2: First thing, Sue, please explain who your great great uncle

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Speaker 2: was and how he got the nickname Snowflake.

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Speaker 5: Well, if you grew up on the snowflakes are like,

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Speaker 5: it's because of Wilson Bentley. He was the first person

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Speaker 2: His images are beautiful, filled with so much detail that

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Speaker 5: He had a Bellows camera and he replaced the lens

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Speaker 6: For the tipe.

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Speaker 5: For the timeframe, photography was pretty much in its infancy,

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Speaker 5: easily taken if you will. But he was a brilliant man.

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Speaker 5: He was seventeen years old when he started this process

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Speaker 1: How can I ask how did he capture the snowflakes.

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Speaker 5: He had wooden tray they made with wire handles. He

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Speaker 6: Take a picture.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool, Snowflake. Was you and said that had

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Speaker 5: They thought he was crazy. These people are practical formon

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Speaker 6: Appreciate it, But they initially thought he was.

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Speaker 1: Nuts. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What about the scientific community, what did they think of

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Speaker 5: Well, for the first dozen years or so that he

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Speaker 5: But in the meantime, colleges and universities from around the

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Speaker 2: He ever made Besides the five thousand snowflakes, what else

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Speaker 5: Well, he took he had another camera that he took

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Speaker 2: Yeah, SOE please tell folks how they can experience Snowflake

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Speaker 5: Here in Jericho, Vermont, in a historic building called the

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Speaker 5: we house the Snuffy Exhibit, which is his cameras, his microscopes,

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Speaker 5: There's a children's book that was published in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 5: published in multiple languages, so it's really it's a fascinating exhibit. Definitely,

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Speaker 6: And see it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for joining us to and thanks for

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Speaker 6: You're welcome. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Sue, Thanks Sue.

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Speaker 2: I'm fixing to order me one of those pictures of snowflakes,

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Speaker 2: Snowflake and.

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Speaker 1: Hang that up at home. Oh yeah, I love that

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Speaker 1: they're from the eighteen hundreds. Yeah, that'd be a great

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Speaker 1: little print to have hang on the wall. Yeah all right.

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Speaker 1: Our next segment is gear Talk.

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Speaker 6: Talk about gear.

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Speaker 4: But I know how fun Who has his name is

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Speaker 4: Johannis to tell less, it makes me wonder Fan Feet

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Speaker 1: Because he doesn't have a choice.

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Speaker 2: How much funny when he spends it's Yanny talking gear again.

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Speaker 1: Yanny talking gear again. Great tune. What are you reviewing

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Speaker 1: for us today with gear talking? Well, Spencer, I brought

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Speaker 2: Backpack okay, loaded up with gear too. That thing must

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Speaker 2: be what thirty pounds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say somewhere around there. Did you pick it up? No? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have any water in it right now. So

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Speaker 1: And the reason being is because my pistol and my

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Speaker 1: initial Assent. I found out about him. I think it

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Speaker 1: Western Hunt Expo and my buddy Duke Wastony from First

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Speaker 1: And so I went over and I saw it. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Duke is the guy that the First Light guys talk

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Speaker 2: And he told you to check out. He told me

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Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact numbers, but they had the

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Speaker 2: I forget what it was sixty more or something. They

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Speaker 1: definitely need to try one of these. A lot of

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Speaker 1: It's like when you have a one hundred pounds on

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Speaker 1: no matter how good the pack is. What I really like, though,

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Speaker 1: is because ninety five percent of the time when I'm

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Speaker 1: It's one of the things that stands out for this

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Speaker 1: there's I have to really try to get my elbows

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Speaker 1: so it's not like it's a big bulk thing sticking

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Speaker 1: very yeah, super super tidy. I'm not a fan of

434
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: the packs with you know, fifty pockets and fifty zippers.

435
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: It just adds weight and complicates things that I don't

436
00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: need it. So yeah, the frame, uh, carbon fiber frame,

437
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: and who else does that? Uh people have stays that

438
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: are carbon fiber. I don't know anybody else that has

439
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: a full frame like this. Yeah, that seems pretty unique.

440
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: Catches your eye right away. Yeah, for sure.

441
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: The top part of the frame here is that like

442
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 3: a can you like hook your your you're right rightfless

443
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: thing on that. Oh yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, definitely very

444
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 3: easy to take the bag off and and put it

445
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 3: back on if you're going to take it off, just

446
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: to care if you don't want to carry the bag

447
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: itself while you're packing meat. It's got a load shelf

448
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 3: in there. So yeah, just simple.

449
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: I like simple things at work, and this pack definitely

450
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: does that. So I put a few pictures up the

451
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: pills shown now where I think I've packed at least

452
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: a half dozen animals in it. That was my bull

453
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: elk there. The picture prior was my Idaho mule deer

454
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: from this fall. And there's a care that was a

455
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: short pack job right there. It wouldn't like it really

456
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: tested the pack out, but anyways, been putting it through

457
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: the faces and uh yeah, I'm pumped on it.

458
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: So is that gonna be the backpack for the fall

459
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six as well?

460
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: Okay, you're convinced, sweet, I'm gonna go next for gear talk.

461
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about my favorite gloves that I

462
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: have ever owned. They are the first Light Cody gloves ever.

463
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: Ever, I don't I.

464
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: Can't think of a pair I've liked more than these.

465
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: Maybe my first pair of glomets. I had a pair

466
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: of glomets from Cabella's back when I was in high school,

467
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 2: and I really loved those for ice fishing specifically. Do

468
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: you know what a glomit is? That's like the flip

469
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: over May two? You still got the ash? Sure, So

470
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: I loved those at the time. Now they wouldn't be

471
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: as practical for me, but for ice fishing specifically anyway,

472
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: the Cody gloves from First Light. I love these things.

473
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: They are soft but durable. Uh they're they're insulated, but

474
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: you can still like use your fingers when you're wearing them.

475
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: I've had these, I think for two falls. They're the

476
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: gloves that I use the most for hunting and fishing

477
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: and snowblowing, and you would think I just got these yesterday.

478
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: Like they do not show much sign of wear at all,

479
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: and I'm not doing anything to take care of them.

480
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm not like oiling them or something like that, or

481
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: making sure that they don't get blood on them or water.

482
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: I think they are really special gloves, and they are

483
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: first lights. They say they are their ranch inspired hunting glove.

484
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: I use these pretty much all fall when I was

485
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: deer hunting in Illinois, when I'm deer hunting in Montana,

486
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: when I'm deer hunting in Nebraska. And in Nebraska, I

487
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: have a rancher there that I have deer hunting permission from.

488
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: He's a cattle rancher. He also farms. I asked him

489
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: one time, he says, are you considered.

490
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: A farmer or a rancher?

491
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: And he says, well, I farm so that I can ranch,

492
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: so you know, beef are his passion. Anyway, I gave

493
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: him a pair of these gloves that he's now used

494
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: for two calving seasons. Calving season for much of the

495
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: North is happening right now, like January to March. He

496
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 2: texted me the other day. He said I love these gloves.

497
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 2: You gave me best winter gloves I've ever had for caving.

498
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: So if that's not an endorsement, yeah, I don't know

499
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: what is. That's great the first like Cody gloves, I bet.

500
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: His look a little bit more warm in yours. He's

501
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: doing real work. He's got extra fluid. By the way

502
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: that yours look, you're actually not doing that much work

503
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: out there, I think. So I love that glove too.

504
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: I have burned through the very first pair I have

505
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: finally now has quite a few holes in the fingers.

506
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: But that's I don't know, three four seasons, and I

507
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: wear them almost every single day, especially cat hunting, you know,

508
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 1: snow cat gloves, yeah, snowmobiling. If I get that warm

509
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: where I can't wear them because they're too warm, I

510
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: just stick them out of pockets and go gloveless. But

511
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: you need something that's you know, protecting you from the elements,

512
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: but keeping keeping your warm. Not too hot. Mine will

513
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: if it's been wet kind of snowy conditions, they'll start

514
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: to wet out, and so I do nick wax them periodically,

515
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, maybe three four times a winter,

516
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, just when they're wet, I squirt you know,

517
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: a couple of tablespoons of that stuff on there and

518
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: just rub it all in and then stick them on

519
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: a couple of times of an antler in the house.

520
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: Let them drive for a day or two and they're

521
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: ready to rip again. But yeah, I'm a big fan

522
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: of that kind of glove where I'm skiing too.

523
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: Oh, there you go first, like Cody glove. There's seventy dollars.

524
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: I'm looking right now. We have small through excel available

525
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: in both colors.

526
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: Seth, what do you got for gear talk today? I

527
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: got a little homemade piece of gear.

528
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a and it does not look homemade.

529
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: It does all come it's like you bought it like this,

530
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: which is a compliment.

531
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: It's a mobile power station like you know, like Jackery

532
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: or Blue Eddy or Goal zero makes.

533
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: But those things are so expensive. What is the average

534
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: price for something like that? Oh? Look it up, quick, spencer. Okay,

535
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: give me tell me what brand I should be looking up?

536
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: Look at uh Jackery. And this is no shade on

537
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: these companies.

538
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: You keep telling us about this, But anyway, this is

539
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: so what I what I did here is I took

540
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: just the yetty.

541
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: What are these things called, like load out boss go

542
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: box box.

543
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I went on Amazon and bought a one

544
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: hundred amp hour lithium battery that was like one hundred

545
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: and sixty bucks, and I put it in this box

546
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 3: and then hooked up two cigarette outlets and then this

547
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: one is two USB's and a USB C for charging.

548
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: And it's all kept in this little box. Nice and neat, waterproof,

549
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: very nice and neat. And I use this thing to

550
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: run my Dometic refrigerator. I used it to run my

551
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 3: diesel heater and the lights in the back of my

552
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: pickup truck bed. And yeah, I use it literally all

553
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: all season long. Every time I go on trip. This

554
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: thing comes with me if I'm truck camping. And yeah,

555
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: it's just like a cheap alternative to the mobile power

556
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: stations that you see online that are very expensive. And

557
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: all together, I think this box and you don't have

558
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: to buy a yetti box. I just happen to have

559
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: this one.

560
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: It fits it real nice.

561
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it fits it perfectly. I think this thing's like

562
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five bucks. Batteries one sixty and

563
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: then you know another probably thirty or forty bucks for

564
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: all the the outlets here, so you know, very cheap

565
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: compared to the alternatives.

566
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at a Jackery base model right now.

567
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: It's on sale for eight hundred listed originally at fifteen hundred.

568
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

569
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: And if you look at that catch it probably doesn't

570
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: have one hundred damp hour Liian battery in it.

571
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: No, what does that mean? How many? Like can you

572
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: go for a full weekend and not charge this thing

573
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: and do all?

574
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: Oh?

575
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet he could go for a month.

576
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: I went, I went a full week run running a refrigerator.

577
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: I go a full week with the refrigerator for sure.

578
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: On this and charging phones, charging phones and stuff too. Wow,

579
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: it's a great little tool. And I bet you'll use

580
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: that then like three sixty five.

581
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

582
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: And and like you know, eventually the batteries do go

583
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: bad in those things, and this one, I just go

584
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: on Amazon, buy another battery and pop it in there.

585
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: M hm. Keep on trucking.

586
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: You got a nice little spot in the back of

587
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: your pickup where that gets tending down yep.

588
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

589
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: And then it's nice because I can just like pick

590
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: it up and take it wherever I need it to

591
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: take it into the office.

592
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, check it out. Very good piece of gear.

593
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil,

594
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: what's the chat I have to say?

595
00:31:53,400 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: Yes, first shout out here. It's from Catherine Berglan. Mama, Hey,

596
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 4: I was wondering if you could wish my beautiful mountain

597
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 4: girl Isabella happy birthday. She'll be eight tomorrow and she

598
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: loves me eater happy.

599
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: Should we sing? Is going to sing for you? Yes?

600
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: Go ahead, take it away so I'll sing with it.

601
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Isabella, Happy birthday, mountain girl Isabella turning eight tomorrow.

602
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: Another question for Yannis another the first one. Is there

603
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: already a thought of a meat Eater roast tournament, either

604
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 4: a one v one playoff bracket style or some sort

605
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: of competition format where there's an elimination thing happening.

606
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: There has been thought of a playoff bracket style cooking competition.

607
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I think we should do before

608
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: that is have Yanni compete.

609
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.

610
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: I feel like you and Steve or something.

611
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: There you go, you versus Steve. I get host, I'll

612
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: volunteer to host, or whoever you want to host can host.

613
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: But we should put Yanni on the spot.

614
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, and then that would be a good idea.

615
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: What else you got?

616
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 4: Phil Melody asks for some tips on keeping toes and

617
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 4: fingers warm during below freezing ice fit ice fishing trips.

618
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: She has terrible circulation, she says.

619
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: Hot hands.

620
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: Yep, every every person who lives north of the Mason

621
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: Dixon can use hot hands and it will genuinely keep

622
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: you warmer.

623
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: What do you guys got.

624
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: I went to a bunny boot this year m hm,

625
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: and it's been phenomenal.

626
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: Oh, they're amazing. Yeah. If you don't know what a

627
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: bunny boot is, it's a it's like an air filled,

628
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: old school military all rubber boot. If you're if you ever.

629
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: Are always white, No, no, there's black ones that are

630
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: they call Mickey Mouse boot.

631
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

632
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: But the Alaska Gear Company is like they're really like

633
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: doing a remake of the original bunny boot.

634
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: They're all like military surplus.

635
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah, this company, Alaska Gear Company is making

636
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: bunny boots now and they make like a lighter version

637
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: and like a heavy version that are rated to you know,

638
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: minus seventy or something crazy. But keep you warm. Oh yeah, yeah,

639
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: very warm. Yeah, And I struggle with my feet getting cold.

640
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: I think the other thing you can do too is

641
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: skiers have had heated footbeds forever and they're amazing. I

642
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: don't use them. I don't need them that bad, but

643
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. For a couple of hundred bucks, you

644
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: can get battery operated, you know, heated insoles, and you're

645
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: not gonna have cold feet or cold toes going that way.

646
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: If you don't want to go that route, I think

647
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: having boots that are a little bit bigger than smaller

648
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: is going to always help to keep a nice air

649
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: layer in there because that's what's actually doing the insulating

650
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: and keeping it dry in there. So once you get

651
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: sweaty at all, you're getting cold, like, take the time undressed,

652
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: put on some fresh dry socks, get them back in there,

653
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: and you'll be definitely toastier though than you were beforehand.

654
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: Another like reasonably cheap piece of gear that I love

655
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: for cold weather is a hand muff, especially for ice fishing.

656
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: If you don't want to be rocking your biggest gloves

657
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: and you want to be using your fingers hand muff

658
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: you can find a real good one for pretty cheap,

659
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: or you can spend a lot of money on one

660
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: It's something that like, once it's below forty and I'm

661
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: doing something active outside, I like having a hand muff.

662
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can load those full hand warmers too.

663
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: You can you load it full of cell phone snacks, handwarmers,

664
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: all kinds of things.

665
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: Good luck ice fishing.

666
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 4: Melody Kale Flynn is in the market for a new

667
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 4: spotting scope, debating between compact or full size which you prefer.

668
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 4: And have you ever had a compact out hunting and

669
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: then wished you had a full size or vice versa?

670
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: Be honest what you got for Kale, I always go

671
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: full size because the reason I'm packing the spotting scope

672
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: is not to just see if it's an animal or

673
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: if it's a deer versus an elk. It's gonna be

674
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: to see details like how big the elk is or

675
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: the deer, or you're looking so far out that you're

676
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: gonna need something big to tell a different between elker deer. Yeah,

677
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: the compact ones. I've just always felt like if I

678
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: put my binoculars on a on a stable platform, I'm

679
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: getting the same performance and gain the same result doing

680
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: it that way. Yeah, So yes, And I have been

681
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: out there with small spotters and every time, I'm like, oh,

682
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: I should have brought the big one because right now

683
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: we could actually tell what's going on over there, Seth,

684
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: What do you got for Kale? Yeah, I would say,

685
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: I guess it.

686
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 3: Also, he doesn't say where he's what he's hunting for,

687
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: where he's at right, No, I don't think so No,

688
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: so pipe in Kale if you just kind of what

689
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: you're hunting for where. But I would always go full

690
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 3: size because you can you can use kind of full

691
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: size for everything. Yeah, that covers all the bases. A

692
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: compact is not gonna you're not gonna want to go

693
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: coops dear hunting with a compact.

694
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: But my endorsement for full size is that I have

695
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: It's like obviously annoying to carry around because they're so

696
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: big and heavy. But if I'm trying to like get

697
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: the details on a mule deer bucks antlers, I have

698
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: to now get like half a mile closer or something.

699
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 2: If I don't have a full size, I would have

700
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 2: saved myself that half mile of hiking and moving around

701
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: if I just would have had the full size with me.

702
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: So it's like bigger and more annoying to hump around,

703
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: but it might save you some like hiking in the

704
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: end as well.

705
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Phil, let's do a few more. Yeah.

706
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 4: Sure, we got multiple people Seth asking for more specifics

707
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 4: on your build. Oh just someone was even like you

708
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 4: should make a social video kind of exactly.

709
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do plan on doing that at some point. Cool.

710
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 4: And then another one, mostly for Seth, I would say,

711
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: is the Great Adventures of Mitten Men. He asks for

712
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 4: just kind of like getting started in beaver trapping for

713
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 4: someone that doesn't have people to learn from, and.

714
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 2: It looks like he's in the Great Lakes first step

715
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: based on that photo.

716
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess if you don't have anyone to mentor,

717
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: you just go on YouTube and you know, try and

718
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: find as much info there to like get you started.

719
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: But then other than that, just just get some get

720
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: some traps that are legal in your state and go

721
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 3: look for some beaver sign and and and set them out.

722
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: Like it's kind of the best way to learn without

723
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: a mentor is just by doing it and sometimes doing

724
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: the wrong things. You know, there you go, makes you

725
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: learn a lot faster. But yeah, a lot of a

726
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: lot of resources on YouTube about beaver trapping.

727
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: Thanks to YouTube, the learning curve has never been smaller.

728
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: I know it comes to uh stuff like this. Let's

729
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: do one more phil before we move on.

730
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 4: Sure, this'sn't got a lot of chatter in the chat,

731
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: but will ask for go to's of American classical literature

732
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: to read with your kids.

733
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm guessing outdoor themed stuff.

734
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to pass on this because I'm gonna cover

735
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: it in our next segment, but set you're.

736
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Gonna cover it for reading with the kids.

737
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: For top threes, I've got some book recommendations. I don't

738
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 2: need to spend another minute beyond what I'm going to

739
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: talking about books on this podcast, So go for it it.

740
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: What can you recommend? I'm trying to think that top man,

741
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: we read all the classics, which which were uh where

742
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: the red Fern grows? Uh, summer a Monkey's What about Hatchett?

743
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: Had Hatchett? Yeah, Hatchett's a great one. Yeah, gosh, what else?

744
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: It's been a while now, seth soon to be father,

745
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: what are you going to be reading? Well? Hatchett was

746
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: the first thing that came to mind.

747
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: There's a book called My Side of the Mountain and

748
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: if you guys ever heard of that. It's like this

749
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: kid kind of leaves town and goes up in the

750
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,479
Speaker 3: mountains and lives in a hollowed out tree.

751
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: A couple of people in the chat where suggests that's

752
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: a good one. It's cool.

753
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 3: It's kind of like tells the story of a young

754
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: young boys like adventurous and.

755
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool. Great book, Tom, Sawren, huck Finn. There

756
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: you go. We'll have some more book recommendations for you

757
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: in a second.

758
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 4: And Spencer, actually, can I suggest we call an audible

759
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 4: and switch segment Since it looks like our next guest

760
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 4: has his guests with you right now.

761
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: We're going to do that.

762
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: Joining us on the line next is Michael Headsel, the

763
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: founder of Peace River Canine Search and Rescue. He's here

764
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: to talk to us about Splash, the world's one and

765
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: only search and rescue otter. Michael, welcome to the show.

766
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 6: Hey, thanks for having me on. I appreciate that.

767
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: Uh, and you can see and here Splash is with

768
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: us right now.

769
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 1: Please tell us about Splash. How old is he? Where

770
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: did he come from? What kind of otter is he?

771
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 6: Splash is a two year old Asian small plod otter

772
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 6: Worldwide Wildlife Zoo out of Phoenix, Arizona, and so he

773
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 6: was donated to the program and we put him to work.

774
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 6: So he's all trained up and out in the field

775
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 6: right now working what we call is proofing here right

776
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 6: now working cases in the field.

777
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: And those noises we're hearing. Is he happy? Is he annoyed?

778
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: Is he is he snugly? What is splash his current mood?

779
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: He is?

780
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 6: I think he's horny. I think that's what. Oh wow,

781
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 6: I think he's problem. But he's actually, uh, just giving

782
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 6: me a lot of a lot of sass.

783
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: At the moment, a lot of sass. What's specific What

784
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: specifically is Splash trained to do?

785
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 6: We use Splash.

786
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him down real quick, just like I said.

787
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 6: He's enough. He's gonna go pick on Dutch for a while.

788
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 6: That's my dog.

789
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: What is Splash trained to do?

790
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 6: Splash is a what we call it recovery honor. He

791
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 6: is trained to locate human remains underwater. So that's what

792
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 6: he does. We use it for cold casework. His original

793
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 6: concept is a lot of our cases, murder cases and

794
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 6: stuff in where the victims been disposed of in water

795
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 6: in water environment, and water is very harsh on human

796
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 6: remains and the bodies go away fairly quickly the tissue

797
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 6: does and the bones sink down into the buck and

798
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 6: that muff can be a foot two feet three feet deep.

799
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 6: And once the bones get down in there, the dive

800
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 6: teams and myself being a forensic diver, we won't ever

801
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 6: find them because of just no way to tell where

802
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 6: they are. The cadaver dogs working from the boat can

803
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 6: alert and say, yeah, the odor from the bones are

804
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 6: coming up, it's there, but we get down to the bottom,

805
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 6: we can't find it. So what Splash's job original concept was,

806
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 6: is to deploy from the boat, go down, find the

807
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 6: area down in the muck where the bones have settled in,

808
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 6: and then identify that area, tell us about it, and

809
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 6: then we put a grid over the top of it,

810
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 6: and then we go in there with trials and we

811
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 6: start working our way down through until we finally get

812
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 6: the bones and make the recovery. That's what his original

813
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 6: purpose was. It's expanded now because I've got other agencies,

814
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 6: law enforcement agencies like fish and wildlife extuff they call

815
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 6: them and we have a fisherman that's falling off the

816
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 6: boat and they can't find him. He's drowned. Their dive

817
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 6: teams not having anyone finding him bo calumn, he sent

818
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 6: Splash out and splash it goes and makes the recovery.

819
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 6: So his mission's kind of morphed. So he still does

820
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 6: a lot of call case work that we do, but

821
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 6: his his job kind of changed over it's expanded, and

822
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 6: that's good. I mean, no one's ever done this before.

823
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 6: We're the only ones ever tried to do anything like this,

824
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 6: and so we're learning as we go on. It's as

825
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 6: need is needed, we can go out and change the

826
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 6: mission around whatever is required.

827
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: So, Michael, I got a question, how does he notify you?

828
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: How does he communicate with you that he's found something

829
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: or hasn't found it.

830
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 6: Well, if he hasn't found anything, he's not going to

831
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 6: come back. He's on what's called a refined and refined

832
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 6: and search work means that he finds what it is

833
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 6: that we're looking for the target, comes back and tells

834
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 6: me about it and then takes me back to it afterwards.

835
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 6: High splash and see you're down. Okay, So if we

836
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 6: launch him from the boat, he goes out, he'll swim

837
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 6: around the surface, he finds the odor in the surface,

838
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 6: just like the dogs don't do, and then he'll zoom down,

839
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 6: and he goes down. We live in him about thirty

840
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 6: feet of water. We don't want him get any deeper

841
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 6: than that. And then he will come back up and

842
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 6: start squeaking and making a lot of noise and letting

843
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 6: us know that he's found something. And at that point

844
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 6: we tie a line onto him. Because he's free. At

845
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 6: that point, we don't have anything on him, just as harness,

846
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 6: and we cook a line on him. He goes back

847
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 6: down to where the odor is present, lays there. The

848
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 6: diver will follow the line down to him, and then

849
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 6: he waits for the diver to get there and back.

850
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 6: Now he can hold his breath. Uh a minute, We

851
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 6: let him five minutes is what we average is. But

852
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 6: he's done eight and uh which scared the hell out

853
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 6: of me. But it was bread longer if he needs

854
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 6: to and uh so the and that's and he just

855
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 6: waits for the diver to get there, and then he

856
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 6: comes back. Once he's the diver's on scene, we release

857
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 6: him from the line and then comes back up to

858
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 6: the boat and gets his fish. He's we feed him.

859
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 6: His reward is salmon. He likes farm raised salmon. That's

860
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 6: his thing. And so he uh gets his salmon for

861
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 6: his reward. He goes back in his crate and then

862
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 6: his job's done for the day.

863
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: And when he's not working, is he just cruising around

864
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: your house?

865
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, that's the house. Uh. He was out earlier

866
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 6: when we were talking. He's out swimming in the kiddie

867
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 6: pool and burning up some calories, and now he's in

868
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 6: the house screaming at me. I don't know what he wants.

869
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 6: He's been fed, so I'm not sure what he's after.

870
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 6: He may want to go play or something. I haven't

871
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 6: done a lot of work. He worked last week for

872
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 6: we're working for Georgia Buro Investigation GBI last week and

873
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 6: then this week he's kind of not had a lot

874
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 6: to do, so I think he's it's kind of like

875
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 6: we're kind of ignoring him. But I've had other stuff

876
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 6: we would training. This is our training season for the

877
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 6: canines because it's cool right now in Florida, so we

878
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 6: put a lot of time into getting the dogs tuned

879
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 6: up and the horses. We have a horse team as well,

880
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 6: and so Splash is kind of getting pushed off a

881
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 6: little bit and he's not getting his training as much.

882
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 6: So I think he's a little irritated that he's not

883
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 6: getting attention.

884
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: What has the training process been like with Splash? Is

885
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: it just like training a dog?

886
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 6: Very similar in a lot of ways. The biggest problem

887
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 6: with the otter is that he's not a dog. Dogs

888
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 6: are brought up to work with humans through breeding programs,

889
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 6: you know, in genetics and and so the dog that

890
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 6: you buy now is very packaged to work with humans

891
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 6: and to do a specific job. Otters are wild creatures.

892
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 6: And this is even though this guy came from a

893
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 6: zoom he is. He's very much a wild animal. They

894
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 6: have a different set of priorities. And so the biggest

895
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 6: thing I have to do is find out what motivates them,

896
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 6: what reward system? Will he worked for? And can I

897
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 6: get the trust from him to work for me? And

898
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 6: will we work with humans? And so that's the big

899
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 6: deal that we had to work on with him, and

900
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 6: we did. We found out he's actually about the fifth

901
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 6: otter that we've trained up for this work, and we

902
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 6: had American River otters before that, which are much bigger.

903
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 6: They're very bidy, they're very aggressive. Yeah, you got to

904
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 6: wear thick gloves when you work with them because they

905
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 6: can take your finger off in a heartbeat if they

906
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 6: want to, and so you got to be careful with them.

907
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 6: I've got a lot of scars, and they're stoic. They're

908
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 6: not as animated. So one of the reasons that we

909
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 6: went to Asian otters is that they're much more animated.

910
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 6: They're very chatty, they're very vocal. When they get excited,

911
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 6: they let you know about it, where the river otter

912
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 6: doesn't do that so as much. They're a little bit

913
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 6: like that. But I had one that was named Squeakers.

914
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 6: She was very animated. She was really good and did

915
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 6: a great job. But the boy ones like Hondo and

916
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 6: then excuse me, Splash and go back there and pick

917
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 6: them up.

918
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: Mike, I have a question for you, how long? Like

919
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: how many years will you get out of splash? Like?

920
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: How many years will you be able to work with them?

921
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 6: They say from talking to the zoo people that the

922
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 6: lifespan of a captive odor can be fifteen to twenty years.

923
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 6: Oh wow, So his grandmother is sixteen currently. And the

924
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 6: honest longest otter that I know, oldest otter that I

925
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 6: know of in captivity was at the Miami Zoo was

926
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 6: twenty six years old and she just passed away recently,

927
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 6: so we're hoping to get ten years. He's not. He

928
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 6: is in a wonderful environment. He gets the best food,

929
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 6: best medical care, lives in the house, sleeps with me

930
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 6: at night, you know, down the bed, over the blanket,

931
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 6: you know, it's where he likes to be at night.

932
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 6: And then so he gets exercise and stimulation, and you know,

933
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 6: he's got a job. So he's got a pretty good

934
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 6: life here. But he works in a lot of different environments,

935
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 6: meaning a lot of different water environments, and sometimes the

936
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 6: waters are not as best as we'd like him to be,

937
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 6: and so he that could probably cause a problem for

938
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 6: him down the road, we think, We don't know. We

939
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 6: had another honor Squeakers who had loaned out to another

940
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 6: law enforcement agency that was using her over in Europe,

941
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 6: and she got into some bad water and passed away

942
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 6: about a month ago. So she gets sick. So's it's

943
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 6: one of those things that we're finding out about as

944
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 6: we as we work with them. Otters are very susceptible

945
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 6: to human diseases, so they get sick. It flews, colds.

946
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 6: They picked them up from people and then COVID wiped

947
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 6: out a bunch of otters when when COVID came. I

948
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 6: think we lost like a quarter of the otter population

949
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 6: in the United States from COVID when it hit back

950
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty. So I have to be really careful

951
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 6: with him, making sure that he doesn't get handled by

952
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 6: people they're sick, you know, so he doesn't pick up

953
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 6: if you think he's He's been really good so far.

954
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 6: We's got a little frostbite from last week. We were

955
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 6: working in Virginia when that storm hit and it got

956
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 6: down to seven degrees and he loves the cold, but

957
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 6: he was walking on some concrete. I think his foot

958
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 6: was sticking to the concrete and got a little frost

959
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 6: by on his foot. So he's been even nursing that

960
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 6: back up.

961
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: Michael, can you tell us about some of the successful

962
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 2: missions that Splash has been on so far.

963
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's got one evidence recovery so far and one

964
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 6: recent drowning and then three that our human remains really

965
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 6: and the evidence one was really kind of lucky. It

966
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 6: was the first time out. We were working for a

967
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 6: long course and agency out in the South, the Mississippi area,

968
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 6: and they wanted to check this lake area, which we did,

969
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 6: and we had done it with the dogs and Damon,

970
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 6: who was my cana at the time. She had been

971
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 6: alerting like crazy that there was cadaverr in this lake

972
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 6: and we couldn't locate it. And so doctor, the doctor

973
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 6: I was with, he was a forensic anthropologist, as watch

974
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 6: you throw a splash, and I said, well, he's all

975
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 6: the six months old, he's only had two months of training,

976
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 6: and he said, well, go ahead and throw them in

977
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 6: where the hell we're here a month as we'll do it,

978
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 6: you know. So we put him in and he identified

979
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 6: an area down at the bottom that he was really

980
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 6: interested in. So we dug it up and found a

981
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 6: brick in there, you know, a clay one of those

982
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 6: clay red bricks at Schem in the area for construction,

983
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 6: and we brought it up and as soon as you

984
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 6: brought it up that the dector says, I want that,

985
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 6: and we gave it to her and she packed it up,

986
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 6: took it in, matched it up to the big event,

987
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 6: and the X ray from that killed the guy that

988
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 6: picked it, and turned out there was still DNA on

989
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 6: the brick because the clay and the clay soil had

990
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 6: held it all together. So they were still able to

991
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 6: get some DNA off of the brick and match it up.

992
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 6: So that case, even the suspect had passed away at

993
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 6: this point because it was twenty two years old case

994
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 6: and there was nobody to charge in the case. But

995
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 6: the case was finally cleared, which made the sheriff very

996
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 6: happy because he was one of the original detectives on

997
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 6: the case, so he was happy to get that off

998
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 6: and that got him started. After that, things just started

999
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 6: happening very quick. So we weren't originally intending on him

1000
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 6: using him for what we call law enforcement searches. We

1001
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 6: use it for private work. Most of that was for

1002
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 6: a lot of the universities like University of Tennessee, of

1003
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 6: Florida State, University West Virginia. These places they get calls

1004
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 6: out to do private cop work that they do using

1005
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 6: their sciences what they call fast team stuff, forensic applied

1006
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 6: science work, and so Splash is going to be working

1007
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 6: in that category. But then once law enforcement realized they

1008
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 6: had him available, we get calls from the Department of Justice,

1009
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 6: you d O, J, FBI, S, D L, E, G

1010
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 6: B I, T B I, all these groups sell these

1011
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 6: three letter you know, alphabet groups calls up and say hey,

1012
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 6: can you bring splash out for help. So we've been

1013
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 6: really busy and having on the road consistently with him

1014
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 6: since since he got discovered in this last year. So

1015
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 6: he's up to uh, he's got the one evidence recovery.

1016
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 6: He's got four body recovery so far, and so it's

1017
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 6: total of five recoveries maybe six or waiting to hear

1018
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 6: on this other one that happened recently. So he's he's

1019
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 6: on his way. So this is a satellite program. We

1020
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 6: don't know when we started it it was kind of

1021
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 6: work or not. It appears to be working at this point.

1022
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 6: We do have some challenges, a few issues with him

1023
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 6: the begin of trying to resolve and we're working on it.

1024
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 6: But this is only territory here, so we're blazing blazing

1025
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 6: away here.

1026
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: He's the world's only cadaver or otter. What gave you

1027
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: the idea to employ him? And do you think that

1028
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: this is something you'll try again in the future.

1029
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 6: Well, I had I had seen otters used in the Orient.

1030
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 6: They use it for hunting and hunting fish and hunting

1031
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 6: and lambs and oysters and all kinds of stuff. They

1032
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 6: train him up in the Orient to do this kind

1033
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 6: of work. And I was flying home from Los Angeles

1034
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 6: after working on a cold case, and I was reading

1035
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 6: like a Smithsonian type art magazine that I think about

1036
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 6: otters and how they use scenting abilities underwater to help

1037
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 6: locate prey and food and things underwater. Splash's now you

1038
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 6: want to be hill or what's your deal? He may

1039
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 6: be younger, I might have to be.

1040
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: He's a noisy bugger, Yeah.

1041
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 6: He is today. He's chatting today, so he's got uh

1042
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 6: that they use him for hunting. And I thought, and

1043
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 6: the you could do scent work out that well, I've

1044
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 6: been training sent dogs. I'm going in my forty six

1045
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 6: year doing this kind of stuff. And I said, maybe

1046
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 6: we could train an honor because I dive all the time.

1047
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 6: There's nothing more frustrating than diving on a case and

1048
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 6: knowing that your victim is somewhere in this lake or

1049
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 6: wherever you're at, river, wherever you're at, and you've got

1050
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 6: visibility that's this bad light. I can't see my hands

1051
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 6: in front of my face, and we're using guide ropes

1052
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 6: and we're down there. It's all tactile, running along, trying

1053
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 6: to feel our way around down there, trying to find something,

1054
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 6: can't find it, and you got to enw try for

1055
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 6: a day, maybe two days at it, can't get anywhere

1056
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 6: near it, can't figure out what's going on, and you

1057
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 6: have to walk away from the case. And it's one

1058
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 6: of the most frustrating things that we do, knowing that

1059
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 6: this family is trying to get resolution and we can't

1060
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 6: get there because we just don't have the technology to

1061
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 6: do it. And hopefully with Splash that we would be

1062
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 6: able to figure out if you can do this odor,

1063
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 6: if you can do that, maybe we can resolve more

1064
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 6: of these cases. And that's that was my thing. I

1065
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 6: came back from the and I started doing some research

1066
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 6: on it. And we've had an aquarium that far from

1067
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 6: me up here in Sarasota that I thought I would

1068
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 6: go up and talk to their people about it, and

1069
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 6: they said yeah, And I said, can we drive some

1070
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 6: and do some guests to work with them? And they secure,

1071
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 6: and so we went in and we started doing some

1072
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 6: testing and found out that they were very good at

1073
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 6: odor work on land and in the water. But since

1074
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 6: we've been working with them, we found out that it's

1075
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 6: not just odor work and how they find things. They're

1076
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 6: very related to Their first cousin to a wolverine, but

1077
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 6: also a platypus, and platypuses have electromagnetic sensors they use.

1078
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 6: They sense magnetic fields, is how they find stuff under water.

1079
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 6: And we found out that the whisker array on the

1080
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 6: front of these otters, which is massive, is high and lead,

1081
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 6: and so it gives them the ability to the tech

1082
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 6: magnum fields with their whiskers. And we found out that

1083
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 6: they hunt the same way that the platypus does in

1084
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 6: using their whiskers to find what they're looking for. So

1085
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 6: they basically learn the magnetic signature of what a human

1086
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 6: being is. And they're down there with their whiskers plombing

1087
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 6: along there until they run into that same resonance frequency

1088
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 6: and they're like, boot pay, it's right here. And then

1089
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 6: you'll see him pump these bubbles out and they start

1090
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 6: spitting bubbles out like crazy, and they taste some of them.

1091
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 6: They step back in and they taste them, and they

1092
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 6: taste it has the error confirmation because they have lands

1093
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 6: in their mouth that transfers this into a set response,

1094
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 6: and so they say, oh, that's what I'm looking for,

1095
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 6: and then they confirm it that way, and that's how

1096
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 6: they do it. So there's a two prong thing. They

1097
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 6: use magnetic field and they use this the bubble scent

1098
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 6: technique in order. It's pretty amazing. We got a lot

1099
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 6: of video of it working and trying to because I

1100
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 6: used to see him find stuff in the videos, but

1101
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 6: he wasn't blowing bubbles, and I kept looking at that,

1102
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 6: going how this is working? If he's scent working, he

1103
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 6: can't pull the set through his nose because he drowned. Okay,

1104
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 6: you can't do that. So their mammals like we are,

1105
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 6: they can't do that, So how is he I see

1106
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 6: the bubble technique working. We figured out the bubble part

1107
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 6: and then but then he would find stuff with his

1108
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 6: head and put it on there, and then all of

1109
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 6: a sudden he would start blowing bubbles at it afterwards,

1110
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 6: and I'm thinking, okay, what drew him to that to

1111
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 6: want to put the bubbles on it? And then we

1112
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 6: realize that they're working the dnamic those does, so we thought, okay,

1113
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 6: all right, so now we kind of figured out how

1114
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 6: this is working. And it's amazing. I mean, they're really

1115
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 6: very accurate. So he he's good at his job. He's

1116
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 6: learned it and seems to really like it, and he's

1117
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 6: gotten to where he's part of the family now, part

1118
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 6: of the pack. When I put this blue shirt on,

1119
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 6: which is my search shirt, and I'm going out working,

1120
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 6: and he's right at the back door with the dogs saying,

1121
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 6: all right, where are we going? So, you know, we

1122
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 6: load up and he jumps up in the front of

1123
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 6: the van and gets in his crate and the dog's

1124
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 6: getting their crates in the back of the van and

1125
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 6: then we're off and run. So's he's become part of

1126
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 6: the pack, so to speak. Although out don't have packs,

1127
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 6: they have what they call props, they're not called so

1128
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 6: he's very much a part of all that. What are

1129
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 6: you doing?

1130
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: Incredible stuff, Michael.

1131
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us and thanks for having this

1132
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: nonprofit and training Splash to do the work that you do.

1133
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 6: You're welcome. Thanks for having us on so it is fun.

1134
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: No, thanks, Michael, Michael, cool stuff. That's all. I could

1135
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: see a little Disney movie being made about Splash finding

1136
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: dead bodies.

1137
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 4: We have a lot of people in the chat torn

1138
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 4: on whether to be pro or anti honor going between

1139
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 4: the women who were attacks.

1140
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was an American river otter. This one

1141
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: was as Michael said, they're not they're not as fun.

1142
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think he was.

1143
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: Wasn't he talking about would he say a sea otter

1144
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: two or no? Was he just talking about river otters?

1145
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: I think just biting his fingers.

1146
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1147
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this one was some some Asian Fellah. That'll

1148
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: be fun for our audio audience.

1149
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: Maybe not. They might get sick of that squa.

1150
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: But you should go watch it too because you just

1151
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: see the otter running around in the background the whole time.

1152
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: I think one time you went in the pantry and

1153
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 2: then someone closed the door and he had it.

1154
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 1: Come scurrying out of there.

1155
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: We are now going to do our top threes.

1156
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 7: Such talent, that's a word for it.

1157
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a heck of a note there, Phil.

1158
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: All right, this week we've all brought our own top

1159
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: three list seth start us off. What are you ranking today?

1160
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm going top three Turkey hunts? Okay? Ever, well, yeah,

1161
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: yeah that.

1162
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 3: I can that I one had in my phone and

1163
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 3: two that I can recollect your Yeah. Ever, so this one,

1164
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 3: this was last year, triple Yeah, this was all all

1165
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: in one morning night before we put these birds to bed,

1166
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 3: and the forecast was calling.

1167
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: For like a nice calm morning.

1168
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: Uh, get up the next morning and the wind is

1169
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: just cranking and if you know anything about turkey hunting,

1170
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 3: it's not great. You know, very windy mornings aren't great

1171
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 3: for hearing gobbles. So we kind of get down in

1172
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 3: the area where these birds were. We couldn't the night before.

1173
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 3: We couldn't exactly like locate the tree that they were in,

1174
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 3: but we kind of had a general area where they were,

1175
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: so we get down there, get down there in the morning,

1176
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 3: can't hear them, so we just kind of start sneaking

1177
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 3: into where we think they are and I eventually see

1178
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 3: one like I just glassed it up. So we moved

1179
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 3: into where we thought the birds could hear us, start calling,

1180
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: do that for a while nothing. Then we get up

1181
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 3: and move a little closer and I called again and

1182
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 3: struck them up. They're just like they're pretty close, but

1183
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 3: there was there. They're about forty fifty yards from us,

1184
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 3: but there was like a ravine and turkeys don't like

1185
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 3: crossing that kind of stuff, no, and we didn't really

1186
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: have any other play, so we sat down and started calling,

1187
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 3: and eventually those birds went down in that ravine and

1188
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 3: came up the other side, and there was five of

1189
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 3: them all together, abs, all gobblers, Yeah, all long beards,

1190
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 3: pretty country.

1191
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. We ended up getting three out of that pack.

1192
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: How far apart were the shots? Did you guys have

1193
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: a double and then later you get a single or

1194
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: what it was?

1195
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: Kelsey shot first and then I shot two after that?

1196
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's great.

1197
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 2: So just three trigger polls, three trigger poles. Yeah, and

1198
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 2: Seth has his little otter with him there.

1199
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's why she's always with it. She's been

1200
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 3: on multiple turkey hunts.

1201
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: What's her role during a turkey hunt?

1202
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 3: Well, so she's she's a very smart dog and and

1203
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 3: she knows now like once, like once I start calling

1204
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 3: and she hears Turkey's goblin.

1205
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: It's funny.

1206
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 3: She starts shaking like real, real bad, and she just

1207
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 3: like lays lays down on the ground and hunkers down,

1208
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: doesn't really move, like a lab waiting for a cupping duck.

1209
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1210
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then as soon as you pull the trigger,

1211
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 3: she's up and like looking for whatever whatever dead.

1212
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: What does she weigh?

1213
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 3: I think she's like fourteen to sixteen, Yeah, like a

1214
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 3: small gobbler, less than those gobblers.

1215
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1216
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 3: And then this morning we end up, So we took

1217
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 3: those birds back to the truck, got them all cleaned up,

1218
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: and then ended up going about ten minutes down the

1219
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 3: road to another spot and struck up like a late

1220
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 3: morning bird and Kelsey killed that one. So we killed

1221
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 3: four in one day.

1222
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 2: Pretty Merriam snow white fans, all right, sess got another.

1223
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,479
Speaker 3: People, This is the opposite end of the country. Down

1224
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 3: in Florida. Last year, Kelsey and I went down there

1225
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: and got our first ossiolis.

1226
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: This was a buddy's place.

1227
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: He invited us down to go hunt his his little.

1228
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: Hunting club that he's a part of.

1229
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 3: And this this hunt's actually, i think on the First

1230
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 3: Light YouTube chain, and it's called the Art of Turkey's

1231
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 3: kind of the story of Kelsey and her artwork and

1232
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 3: us turkey hunting.

1233
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: Together and stuff, So you can go watch it if

1234
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: you want.

1235
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 3: But this one was, you know, your typical Osciola turkey hunting.

1236
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 3: They gobbled a bunch in the morning on the tree

1237
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 3: and flew down, shut up, And we got these guys midday,

1238
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 3: just sitting kind of calling every once in a while

1239
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 3: and just sitting in the spot where we knew they

1240
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 3: were traveling through. And those two gobblers came in and

1241
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: we doubled up and yeah, that was that was our

1242
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 3: first osciolas. And and man, it's like osciolas are cool

1243
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 3: because of like for me at least the country you're in,

1244
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 3: it's just like super cool to hunt turkeys down and stuff.

1245
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 3: They're just not like your typical you know, Eastern or

1246
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 3: merriams where they're just like coming in gobbling and hammering.

1247
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 2: We swat mosquitos that whole hunt. Oh yeah, that looks

1248
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: like the state bird would be a mosquito there.

1249
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: And then the next one another triple. This was another morning.

1250
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 3: So the bird i'm holding there killed that one right

1251
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 3: off the roost. Was was trying to get Kelsey a bird,

1252
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 3: and that that one ended up skirting around her and

1253
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 3: came into me.

1254
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: So I shot that one.

1255
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 3: And then about mid morning we struck up those two

1256
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 3: birds that she's holding there and called those in and

1257
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 3: she ended up shooting both of those with one shot.

1258
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: That's great.

1259
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 3: Purposely, no, no, not purposely, but she had two tags.

1260
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it worked out nice. There's some open country there, yeah,

1261
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: difficult turkey hunting country. That's just where you.

1262
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 3: Well, that's just where we took the picture. It was

1263
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 3: it wasn't that open where we killed them.

1264
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: How many turkey is you gonna kill this year? This

1265
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: year's gonna look a lot different with the baby coming

1266
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: in March. Uh still like five or six. We'll see,

1267
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: we'll see how much. So much time I get. But well, no,

1268
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: you just got to take the baby and Kelsey with you.

1269
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: Oh that's the plan. Yep, we's that easy. They're well, yeah,

1270
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: when they're that little, they're easy because they're they don't

1271
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: require much. They're not moving, you don't have to walk.

1272
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: They're not gonna get in trouble unless you put them

1273
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: in trouble. Easy. Yeah, I'm telling you some good advice

1274
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: I got man from a doctor. Early on, they're like, man,

1275
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: before they start actually being able to grab and walk,

1276
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: take a turkey, take advantage of it and go do

1277
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: things because you won't have that time later, because when

1278
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: they're two, it's not like you could have them out

1279
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: on a turkey hunt. Yeah, I mean, let's say, unless

1280
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: you can just plan it like they're falling asleep right

1281
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: when they're gonna come off the roost or something. All right,

1282
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go next.

1283
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm ranking the top three books that I read in

1284
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. I read forty books last year, most

1285
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 2: of them about the outdoors or history, or in some

1286
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: cases both, And so here are my three favorites. Number

1287
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: three in the Heart of the Three in the Heart

1288
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: of In the Heart of the Sea by Nathaniel Philbrick.

1289
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 2: This was written in the year two thousand. It's about

1290
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 2: a routine whaling voyage that's flipped on its head when

1291
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: a sperm whale attacks and destroys the two hundred and

1292
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 2: forty ton Essex ship. This happened in eighteen twenty. It's

1293
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 2: actually the inspiration for Moby Dick. The book explains the

1294
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: whaling industry and its global impact and its impact on

1295
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 2: New England at that time, and how it just changed

1296
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: the economy and the culture. And then it also tells

1297
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 2: the story of the twenty men who were aboard the

1298
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 2: ship that day. They spend months floating across the open ocean,

1299
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 2: just getting destroyed by the sun and saltwater. And here's

1300
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 2: the spoiler, there is some cannibalism in the book. One

1301
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 2: of the most shocking things about this story, though, is

1302
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 2: just how young the crew is. Most of the men

1303
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: are in their twenties. Six of them were actually teenagers,

1304
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 2: with the youngest crew member being fourteen, So it just

1305
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: makes like this whole awful advance venture really hard to fathom.

1306
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 2: That is in the heart of the Sea. I loved

1307
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 2: this book. That was my third favorite book that I

1308
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: read last year. Number two, The Art Thief by Michael Finkel,

1309
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: and this was written in twenty twenty three. This is

1310
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 2: about Stephen Breitweiser. He's a twenty something year old from

1311
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 2: France who steals two billion dollars worth of paintings and

1312
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 2: artifacts in the nineteen nineties. He does it over the

1313
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 2: span of six years. He lifts two hundred and thirty

1314
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 2: nine items from one hundred and seventy two museums in Europe.

1315
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 2: Some of the things that he thiefs include a medieval crossbow,

1316
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: ancient pottery, ivory statues, an antique pistol, Napoleon snuffbox, a

1317
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: Rembrandt painting. And you're probably thinking he does all this

1318
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,839
Speaker 2: with elaborate heists that resemble Ocean's eleven, But it's actually

1319
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 2: nothing like that, and I won't spoil how he does it.

1320
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: You'll just have to read the book for those details.

1321
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 2: This is a super fun read if you're into true

1322
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: crime or artifacts or museums, and the author of the

1323
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: book actually interviews the man, so you get all the

1324
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 2: details just as they happened. And there's a really tragic

1325
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 2: ending for this stuff that he stole, and it's a

1326
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 2: surprise ending for the actual thief himself that the author

1327
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: tells you about when he meets this man.

1328
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 6: All right.

1329
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 2: The number one book that I read last year was

1330
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: Endurance by Alfred Lansing, and that was written in nineteen

1331
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 2: fifty nine. This is about Sir Ernest Shackleton's attempt to

1332
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: reach the South Pole in nineteen fourteen. He has a

1333
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 2: twenty eight man crew aboard the Endurance ship and it

1334
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 2: gets crushed by ice. They then spend two years stranded

1335
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,799
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the globe. They're fighting the cold

1336
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: and snow and starvation and depression and the ocean and

1337
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: leopard seals and each other. It's a really incredible story,

1338
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 2: and it's so fantastical that you'd think that this is fiction.

1339
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 2: But what makes Endurance extra special is that it was

1340
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 2: written in the nineteen fifties and the author, Elfred Lancing,

1341
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 2: got to interview a bunch of the peop who were

1342
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 2: on the expedition, so you're getting first hand details from

1343
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 2: the men who experienced this. The storytelling is just as

1344
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 2: good as the story itself. That was my favorite book

1345
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 2: I read last year. Endurance by Alfred Lansing, and then

1346
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: I've got three honorable mentions here. Other books that I

1347
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 2: really loved. Killers of the Flower Moon that was written

1348
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 2: by David Grant in twenty seventeen. It's a historical account

1349
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: of how Oklahoma's Osage tribe became the most wealthy and

1350
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 2: the most hunted people in the world. The story is

1351
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 2: probably well understood by people who live in that area,

1352
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 2: but I had never heard of this, and it's just

1353
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 2: like a really fascinating bit of American history that more

1354
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 2: folks should learn about. I have not seen the movie yet,

1355
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 2: but I hope it's as good as the book itself.

1356
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 2: Killers of the Flower Moon and then God's Country by

1357
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: Percival Everett. This was written in nineteen ninety four. This

1358
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 2: was the best fiction that I read last year. It's

1359
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 2: a clever spoof on the Western genre. The book follows

1360
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: a drunk gambler, Kurt, and the best tracker in the West, Bubba.

1361
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 2: They go on a big misadventure. It's got a lot

1362
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 2: of colorful dialogue, ridiculous characters, dark humor, and it's a

1363
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: really quick read, just two hundred pages long. God's Country

1364
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 2: Personal Ever and then Squanto by Andrew Lippman twenty twenty four.

1365
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: This is the best account of how Squanto traveled from

1366
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,520
Speaker 2: North America to Europe and then back to North America,

1367
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 2: and then he changed the history of both continents. The

1368
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: story of Squanto has been very disneyfied. I feel like

1369
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 2: in this book does a great job of giving the

1370
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 2: truest possible Squanto account. And this would be an extra

1371
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: fun read if you're from the New England area, specifically Massachusetts,

1372
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 2: because it talks a lot about that part of the world,

1373
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: you know, before written history really existed it Squanto. Those

1374
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 2: were my six favorite books that I read last year.

1375
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: Cool. Have you guys seen Killers of the Flowers? I haven't. No,

1376
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: I saw it yet, Phil give me a review. Did

1377
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: you love it? I loved it.

1378
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 4: I know people complained about it being too long, that

1379
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 4: it didn't feel long at all to me. I thought

1380
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 4: it managed different times very well. There was some really

1381
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 4: striking imagery in it that I had never seen before

1382
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 4: in a movie.

1383
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: So you also loved Leo's most recent movie, right, One

1384
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 2: Battle after Another?

1385
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: You say it was the best thing you've seen? What

1386
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: this year? It's my favorite movie I've seen this year? Yeah, yeah,

1387
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was twenty twenty six.

1388
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 4: No, well, I mean twenty twenty twenty. I said this

1389
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 4: year twenty twenty five. Okay, I'm talking movies in terms

1390
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 4: of this year, just because there's a lot of Oscar

1391
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 4: talk happening.

1392
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: The nominations are really.

1393
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 4: Morning, so it just makes me think this year.

1394
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, big Leo fan, all right, Yanni, what's

1395
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: your top three?

1396
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: We're gonna watch that. But these days we have to

1397
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 1: do like a uh, there's some kind of website where

1398
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: you can check to see exactly what the rating means,

1399
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: and then like if you're a twelve year old, which

1400
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: movie can watch it? The One Battle after Another? And

1401
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: it turns out that it's not for twelve year olds,

1402
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: And so I might be a little bit like, get

1403
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: to watch it? What age is it for?

1404
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 3: Oh?

1405
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, but just like reading like what's

1406
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: actually in there and you know the things that happened

1407
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: that yes, it's not for a twelve year old. Honest,

1408
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: your top line? Top three I chose to tell you

1409
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: about my top three filmed hunts for twenty twenty six.

1410
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: And it's hard to pick these like favorite hunts for

1411
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, because I get to go on a

1412
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: lot of them. If I could just have it my way,

1413
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: I would just go on hunts with my kids and

1414
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: my gal, not do any hunts with Spencer Seth Brand

1415
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: or anybody else. But for work, I'm gonna go to

1416
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: a an Alaskan bear hunt with the Newcombs, both Bear

1417
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: and Clay and myself Drew, Prince of Wales Island bear tags,

1418
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go up there and test the theory

1419
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: if hunting those bears with a wets in a wet

1420
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: suit is the way to get close. So all three

1421
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: of us are just the theory. Well yeah, because they

1422
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 1: did it last year and in a couple of stocks,

1423
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: Clay gets to like ten yards and kills a bear

1424
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: or maybe it's two years ago now, and you know,

1425
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: after that happened, they're like, wow, that works, like everybody

1426
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: should do this, and so now we're gonna go and

1427
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: test to see if that's truly the case. Sweet, Yeah,

1428
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: it should be fun. I've got a wyoming elk on

1429
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: with my dad. He's got enough points to draw wyoming

1430
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: elk twenty seven or eight. It's a good general attack.

1431
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 1: But we've got a through a friend of mine. We've

1432
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: got a sweet ranch so we can get in on.

1433
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: It's very much an old guy hunt. You know. We're

1434
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,520
Speaker 1: gonna go during archery season. There you can use a crossbow,

1435
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: so my dad has graduated to crossbow use and yeah,

1436
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: sounds like he's been doing getting in shape for that hunt.

1437
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: So that'll be it'll be fun. I don't know how

1438
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: many elk hunts, you know he's got left in him.

1439
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: It's coming up on mid seventies. Chopping mountains is not

1440
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: in his future, you know, he's in his crossbow prime. Though,

1441
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: crossbow prime, we'll see as long as he can see

1442
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 1: down the scope, you know, and take good aim. And

1443
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:12,839
Speaker 1: then Kansas deer hunt with mister Brent Reeves. Uh Yeah,

1444
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: super fun human that I've gotten to hang with a

1445
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: little bit, and I'm excited to hang with him more

1446
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,679
Speaker 1: and get to know him some more. But he's also

1447
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: got a friend who runs an outfit in Kansas who

1448
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: said that we can come and hunt his outfit like

1449
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: an outfitter. Yeah, Okay, Yeah, we're gonna go hunt his spot.

1450
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: Sounds like this guy's quite the character too. I'm not

1451
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna spoil that because he's gonna be a big part

1452
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: of the episode. But Brent and I are going to

1453
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: sell film the whole thing, So we're sort of gonna

1454
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: film each other sell film. We're not gonna have videographers there,

1455
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be a whot something different

1456
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: that we've never done that. What season you go that way?

1457
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 1: Like archery? Okay, yeah, like primer out you going. I

1458
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll go primer or not. We're gonna.

1459
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I'm gonna let the outfitter, you know, point

1460
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: us in the right direction. As long as that lines

1461
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: up with with schedules, sure we'll do that.

1462
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 2: So Kansas has some unique seasons if you have like

1463
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: the October muzzleoader, I think, and then they write rifle

1464
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 2: season in December and.

1465
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: That October muzzle. A lot of people like that for

1466
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: especially for finding big box. It sounds like it's fun

1467
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: spot and stock. But you know, Brent and I both

1468
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: like hunting with the bow and so we're gonna, yeah,

1469
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: go do that. So Top three hunts. I'm looking forward

1470
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: to good stuff filming. Not jealous at all, Phil, your

1471
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: top three? What do you got? Goodness? Okay.

1472
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 4: On a previous episode, on a previous episode, I went

1473
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 4: over my top three video game characters that I would

1474
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 4: like to eat consume. So this this time, I decided

1475
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 4: to go with nineties cartoon characters that I would.

1476
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: Like to eat. Wow.

1477
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 4: Uh So, first up, we've got we've got cat dog.

1478
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 4: You know, I don't I don't know if cats or

1479
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 4: dogs taste very good. I've had Mountain Lion before. It

1480
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 4: was it was, it was all right, but you know,

1481
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 4: I just it's it's an abomination.

1482
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: And I want an off of the planet. Yeah.

1483
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 4: Also, it's you know, long backstrap is kind of lean.

1484
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 4: I don't know that might be, I might not not

1485
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 4: not be a great thing, but I'm honestly, I'm just

1486
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 4: curious that things like Yeah, so anyway, it could go

1487
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 4: either way. Next up, we've got mister Crabs from SpongeBob.

1488
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 4: I've always been a crab crab over lobster guy. It's

1489
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 4: the Pacific Northwest in me. I think Bikini Bottom is

1490
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 4: technically I think it can't canonically. It's like in the

1491
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 4: Marshall Islands, like between Hawaii and like Malaysia, somewhere around there.

1492
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 4: I don't know what kind of crabs would be there,

1493
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 4: but I'd like to imagine that he's like a like

1494
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 4: a like a human sized dungeon ess that I could

1495
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 4: just dig into.

1496
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: And that's what I choose to believe. He's got some

1497
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: real meaty claws.

1498
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 4: Though, definitely, I think I think that would be tasty.

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Speaker 4: Number one, we've got Crumb from ah Real Monsters. Again,

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Speaker 4: this could go either way for those for the audio

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01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 4: listeners who haven't seen a real monsters, Crumb is just

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01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 4: kind of like a big blob of flesh who has

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01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,480
Speaker 4: arms for ie stocks and holds eyeballs in his hands.

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01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 4: Got some hairy armpits and really disturbing looking feet. Basically

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01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 4: no leg, It's all just kind of cankle and foot.

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01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 4: But you know it, look, I bet he tastes incredible

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01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 4: kind of humanoid, little humanoid.

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01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna look past that.

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01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 4: And also could be a scrotum that could have been

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01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 4: the artistic inspiration. Yeahs, you're not wrong, and I'm just

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01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 4: gonna move past that. They do yeah, yeah, and that

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Speaker 4: under honorable mentions, we have Repti from Rugrats, who's a

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01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 4: fictional dinosaur in a fictional cartoon, So I don't know

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01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 4: if that really counts. We've got the angry beavers, and

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01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 4: then from season four, episode eleven of Doug. This isn't

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01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 4: a character, but they just make a really cool look

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01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 4: in Lasagna. That's the episode where Judy has a date

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01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 4: with her art school boyfriend and she wants her family

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01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 4: to be cool, so she makes them pretend to be

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01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 4: different people. And there's a bomb of fake bomb in

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01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:12,799
Speaker 4: the lasagna that Doug pretends to deactivate but by diving

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01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,799
Speaker 4: into the lasagna is Reptar?

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01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: Is he the mascot for a chocolate bar? Or is

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01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: that wrong? No? I don't think so. They might have.

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01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 4: They might have made like a tie in candy after

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01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 4: the cartoon. Okay, now he's his own thing. Yeah, he's

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01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 4: just kind of his own cartoon character within the show.

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01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like the Mickey Mouse of that universe lost.

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01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, all those cartoons. I just I don't even know

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01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: what's going on anymore. Are you following along? Yeah? You were?

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01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 2: Okay, here is where we're at, Yanni. That's the end

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01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 2: of this week's show. Okay, So we're gonna get lunch

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01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 2: style feedback from the chat Phil.

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01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: What do you got for?

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01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 4: Oh, I haven't been reading it for a while, but

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01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 4: we've got someone and I've I've heard this feedback before.

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01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,719
Speaker 4: Some people said they people who read the book didn't

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01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 4: like The Killers of the Flower Moon movie annoptation because

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01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 4: the book doesn't really reveal what's going on. It's more

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01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 4: of like a mystery. I don't know, if you can

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01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 4: speak to the Spencer. It's kind of like a mystery

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01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 4: till the end, whereas the movie lays it all out

1544
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 4: in the beginning and you just kind of like live

1545
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 4: in the horror and the rot that's like kind of

1546
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 4: consuming this community.

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01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you certainly are not told off the bat in

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01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 2: the book as to what is happening. So if the

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01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,560
Speaker 2: movie does reveal the whole plot at the beginning.

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01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be it. It basically does. Yeah, just

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01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: do you have both have the movie and the book. Yeah.

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01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 4: This is an update from Christy Holmes, who was part

1553
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 4: of the thirty six women who went smelting and asked

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01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 4: for good luck from us on the show. They had

1555
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 4: a wicked good time and the smelts were running and

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01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 4: they're inviting us next winter, Christy, that sounds like a

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01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 4: last So glad you had a good time, Christy.

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01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 2: I think last year joined us for one minute fishing

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01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 2: while she was smelting, so she had a baby on

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01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 2: a hip and did not catch any smelt that day.

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01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 2: So maybe we need to bring Christy back again to

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01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 2: see if she can redeem herself for a five hundred

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01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 2: dollars donation.

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01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 4: Young Troe says, Yanni and Phil, which one of you

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01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 4: two could grow a better musclesh to compete with Seth

1566
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 4: and Spencer. I've never seen Yanni with facial hair, but

1567
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 4: I can almost guarantee that he could grow a better

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01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 4: mustache than I could.

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01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 1: I would have said the same about you you Phil. Well,

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01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: maybe we should make this happen next week. I'll well

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01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: can put up a picture, because there's one time where

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01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: I grew some facial hair. It was COVID. It took

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01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: me the entire pandemic to come up with a beard

1574
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: and a mustache and it still look like shit. So

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01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 1: you gave up. You're not not going to bring that back. No, no, no.

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01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 4: Any recommendations from CSC broncos fan on red dot sites

1577
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 4: for a Turkey shotgun. Do you guys use red dots?

1578
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 4: I don't use red dot.

1579
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: No I do. I use to sig. I believe it's

1580
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: the Romeo Excel now nice and low. Whatever you get,

1581
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: make sure it's low profile because there's nothing worse and

1582
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: having a site that makes you have to get your

1583
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: cheek up off your shotgun. So yeah, get the mount

1584
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: to be low profile, the and the red do itself

1585
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: to be low profile. Two more, phil No.

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01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 4: I don't even know if we have two more, or

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01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 4: at least ones that I have.

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01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: Uh we cat. There was a geared Talk question about

1589
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: the about if you guys have seen anything less? Instead

1590
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: of doing a wall tent, he was gonna save some

1591
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: money and just like double up on ice shelters. Anything

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01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: about that seth.

1593
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 2: I feel like that's become very popular in the last

1594
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 2: like five years. Guys will take their like their Eskimo

1595
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 2: would be a classic example. Insulated ice shack and front

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01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 2: Country Camp out of that.

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01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 3: Well, there are a lot of those, A lot of

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01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 3: those companies that are making ice shelters like that are building

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01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 3: them for ice camping, and I'd imagine if you camp

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01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:48,799
Speaker 3: on the ice with them, you can camp on hard ground.

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01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 3: So Yeah, they're they're they're just putting in features that

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01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 3: are sure more conducive to like camping.

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01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: Buddies that have done it.

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01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 2: I've slept in a few of them, and most of

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01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 2: them don't have flo so they'll take and they lay

1606
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: down like the sort of matt that you would put

1607
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 2: in a workout room.

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01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 1: Yep, just a floor. Get it together.

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01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 2: That seems like a pretty important thing to have with

1610
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 2: you and not very expensive to make happen either. Yeah,

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01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,879
Speaker 2: it seems seems like it's become quite popular.

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01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: Floors are for babies. Yeah. The only thing I would

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01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: say about going to have a baby sit. The only

1614
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: thing I would say about that is that the the

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01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: wallton I think is going to outlast like the ice

1616
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: fishing pop ups. Sure, I feel like those have a

1617
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 1: little bit of a disposable feel to them.

1618
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 2: But maybe you're you're just like solo hunting, so you

1619
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 2: don't need a whole wall tent set up. And maybe

1620
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 2: you only got three hundred dollars instead of fifteen hundred.

1621
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, but I'm just saying, yeah that if you yeah,

1622
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: if you only spend three hundred, it's not gonna last year,

1623
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: Like your.

1624
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 2: Kids may not inherit it. No, is this the gear

1625
01:23:58,920 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 2: talk thing you wanted.

1626
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 4: To cover, Johnny, that's the thing he was talking about, saying, Yeah,

1627
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 4: I've just had it on there.

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01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: We'll do one more shout out.

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01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 4: I don't really know the specifics because this question came

1630
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 4: in or statement came in an hour ago, and I

1631
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 4: don't know if he can provide more details. But he

1632
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 4: just he said he's this is from Actually Tea. He

1633
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 4: says he's here in South Carolina. He just formed a

1634
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 4: state branch of end of the National Deer Association, consolidating

1635
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 4: local chapters into one statewide branch. Maybe send a shout

1636
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 4: out to spread awareness. I don't know if it has

1637
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 4: a name or anything, but South Carolina people.

1638
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 2: South Carolina Branch of the National Deer Association. Uh, maybe

1639
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 2: they could receive some trivia funds in the future from

1640
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 2: a winner like Giannis or Seth. You keep that in

1641
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 2: mind for Actually Tea. All right, that's the end of

1642
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 2: this week's episode. We'll see you guys bank here the

1643
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: same time and place next week.

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Speaker 1: By now,