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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty and He Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: He was a two time Oscar winner, nominated five times

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Speaker 3: over a career spanning forty years. Hollywood This Morning remembering

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Speaker 3: Gene Hackman, found dead alongside his wife Betsy Arakawa, and

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Speaker 3: their dog at their New Mexico home yesterday, the sheriff

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Speaker 3: saying overnight, I want to assure the community and the

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Speaker 3: neighborhood that there's no immediate danger to anyone, the sheriff,

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Speaker 3: not providing details on cause of death.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you don't have your radar detector up to

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Speaker 1: speed or something.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there have been a couple of cases lately were

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Speaker 4: the cop shops.

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Speaker 1: There's no TURL threat too, yeah, right, And it was

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Speaker 1: a murderer. You're right, that had just a targeted murderer.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think that happened here, No, I suspect not.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. So Gene Hackman my favorite actor

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Speaker 1: of all time, and in his early nineties, his wife

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Speaker 1: in her early sixties.

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Speaker 2: And I was just reading because he.

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Speaker 1: Retired from acting a long time ago. I'll bet not

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Speaker 1: realized he was. He was past ninety her I bet

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Speaker 1: her life had early on when they got together. He

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Speaker 1: was like early sixties and she was thirty. At that

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Speaker 1: point she was marrying one of the biggest movie stars

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Speaker 1: in the world. But I gotta believe for the last

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Speaker 1: quite a few years, decades, maybe it was just like

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Speaker 1: it had. His acting life had nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: their life at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody's talking about him is acting in his

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Speaker 1: acting roles, but I bet it played no, no, had

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Speaker 1: no purchase in their lives on a daily basis, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: walk by an arm past. Yeah he's got on the

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Speaker 1: fireplace maybe somewhere, but they probably didn't even talk about

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Speaker 1: it or anything like that. He's been his sculpting and

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Speaker 1: painting mostly good for him, Yeah, good for the soul.

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Speaker 4: The only other thing I had to say about Gene Hackman,

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Speaker 4: who is a genius actor, but we don't you know,

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Speaker 4: we don't lionize actors really much around here, but that

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Speaker 4: he told the story that was incredibly touching on the

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Speaker 4: what the inside the actor's studio or whatever it is called.

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Speaker 4: The show I used to watch fair amount. He explained

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Speaker 4: that when he was a very young boy. I think

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Speaker 4: he might have been five. His father drove away and

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Speaker 4: never came back. Yeah yeah, And his father gave him

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Speaker 4: a casual wave outside the window, and he said he

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Speaker 4: knew at that moment his father was never coming back somehow,

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Speaker 4: And as he told the story, sixty years later he

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Speaker 4: had to choke back tears, or sixty five years later,

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Speaker 4: something like that got But he said he he realized

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Speaker 4: as he thought about it, the power of one small gesture,

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Speaker 4: and he thought that may be one of the reasons

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Speaker 4: he was a very good actor, because that made a

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Speaker 4: real impression on him that small things can yeah, sick

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Speaker 4: meaning interesting.

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Speaker 2: I was reading about that last night.

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Speaker 1: He was thirteen years old and he's playing in the

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Speaker 1: street with his friends and his dad pulls out of

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Speaker 1: the driveway. He's getting a wave and drives away and

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Speaker 1: never comes back. Can you imagine anything horrible?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Three years later he joins the Marines, lies about his age.

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Speaker 1: Joins the Marines as a sixteen year old and is

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Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps for four years. He didn't try

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Speaker 1: his hand at acting until he was dang near thirty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. Just for the record, my son

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Speaker 2: is a trained and gifted actor, and the.

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Speaker 4: Art of it is really interesting to me, like a

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Speaker 4: lot of arts are. It's the self aggrandizement and self

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Speaker 4: congratulations and lecturing people on moral questions that Hollywood does

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Speaker 4: that's repugnant. I have nothing against acting anymore than I

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Speaker 4: have against playing the obow. Just don't do it around me,

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Speaker 1: Specifically this in the New York Times about Gene Hackman,

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Speaker 1: which I thought was good. He seemed to have been

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Speaker 1: You can't find any even really early roles of him

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I had that I'm a real human being

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Speaker 1: My first introduction to Gene Hackman was The Poseidon Adventure. Oh,

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Speaker 1: if you're old enough to remember, that movie from the seventies.

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Speaker 1: There was a period in the seventies where disaster movies

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Speaker 1: would be in these films. Anyway, Beside Adventure was a

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Speaker 2: A major role in that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, anyway, he will be missed. And I had

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Speaker 4: no idea he was in his nineties, soone time marching on.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of celebrities, Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, teased yesterday

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Speaker 4: on Jesse Waters Show that the Justice Department will likely

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Speaker 4: release the documents relating to Jeffrey Epstein today as we

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Speaker 4: speak on Thursday, the twenty seventh of February, the year

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Speaker 4: of our Lord twenty twenty five, including the plane logs

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Speaker 4: of who was on his planes to his pleasure Island

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Speaker 4: as pervert Island.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, well, first of all, I'll ask you, do

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Speaker 1: you think that much of any interest is going to

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Speaker 1: come out of that gossip?

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Speaker 2: Lots of really great gossip.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know people, and because I float around in

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Speaker 1: social media, I've read some of the stuff. But I

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Speaker 1: personally know people who are just convinced that Hillary Clinton's

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Speaker 1: about to go to jail, the whole movie star pedophile

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Speaker 1: thing is about to be blown up, or about to

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Speaker 1: find out all the details on this, Yeah, the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party pedophile ring thing.

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Speaker 2: You're being manipulated, and it makes me sad.

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Speaker 4: There may be some significant revelations because they're absolutely rich

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Speaker 4: and powerful people that go along with perverse stuff. But

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Speaker 4: the only note of caution I would strike is that

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Speaker 4: we have all or most of us been involved in

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Speaker 4: say an organization or even like a golf club or

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Speaker 4: a friend group or whatever, and we you know, play

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Speaker 4: golf and have a few drinks or whatever, and turns

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Speaker 4: out that some of the guys you know on that

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Speaker 2: You're not included in it.

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Speaker 4: You're not part of that subgroup that's doing you know,

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Speaker 4: crazy stuff with drug sex, white swapping, whatever.

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Speaker 2: And wife some of these people might have what do

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Speaker 2: you call it these days? Swinging?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because the wife has agency too. I mean, my god,

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Speaker 4: what an antiquated term. Swinging is the term?

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Speaker 2: Right? It makes it seem like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, sorry, dear, I just I've swapped you with

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Speaker 1: I deal I just made a deal with Bill. You

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Speaker 1: need to go to his house tonight. What exactly, so

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Speaker 4: But anyway, because it's conceivable, because this was a rich

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Speaker 4: guy who lived a super rich guy life which included

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Speaker 4: underage girl porno, sick sexual exploitation. But not everybody who

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Speaker 4: had lunch with him was part of the super pervos stuff,

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. But because he was a super

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Speaker 4: rich financier and a mover and a shaker.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think he killed himself in jail because he

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Speaker 1: I think he killed himself. I don't think somebody slipped

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Speaker 1: but it's kind of weird how those cameras didn't work,

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Speaker 1: that is. But the weirdest thing of the whole Epstein's

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Speaker 1: story has always been, what in the hell was that

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Speaker 1: giant painting of Bill Clinton in a dress right in

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Speaker 1: the doorway when you walk into Epstein's house, pointing.

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Speaker 2: At you, What the hell is that?

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Speaker 4: I'm worried about the victims Jack, not the painting, But

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Speaker 4: that was an odd piece of heart.

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Speaker 1: Well, it means something. It gets to the victims, it

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Speaker 1: means something. What the hell is that? Help me understand?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, but I've always I've always thought

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Speaker 2: it was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're a mover and a shaker in Manhattan,

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Speaker 1: where the Clintons are idolized and Bill Clinton was their god,

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Speaker 1: and you have in your home. What how would you

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Speaker 1: describe it as anything other than mocking of Bill Clinton?

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Speaker 1: You got him in a dress? Right, I remember your

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Speaker 1: old theory? Do you remember your old theory?

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Speaker 2: And he's pointing at you.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a I've got something on this guy

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Speaker 2: I think that's what it is. And many many other

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Speaker 2: guys too, right, Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I would agree.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to find anything out

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Speaker 1: about that from the paperwork that Pam Bondi releases today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So so many directions we could go. I've been

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Speaker 4: wanting to get to the story of this awful broad

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Speaker 4: daylight assault in La on the street. This gang of

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Speaker 4: twenty to thirty bicyclists, late teens men. They're young men.

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Speaker 4: They rove around like a gang. They intimidate drivers, they

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Speaker 4: kick their cars, whatever, and terrorize pedestrians.

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Speaker 2: The rest of it almost got yeah.

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Speaker 1: Almost certainly riding s E bikes because that said, like

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Speaker 1: the bike my son rides.

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Speaker 2: The bike crowds do this sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'll ride that brand for some reason, and they wheeling

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Speaker 2: I've been in the midst.

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Speaker 4: Of oh yeah, interesting so But anyway, this guy got

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Speaker 4: they struck and kicked his vehicle. Yea, and the startling

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Speaker 4: video preps you've seen it showed the teens ganging up

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Speaker 4: leafed off, leaped off their bikes, threw them off in

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Speaker 4: the excitement to join in the attack. The hoodie wearing

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Speaker 2: That's horrible.

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Speaker 1: So one time I'm in Old Sacramento and a bunch

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Speaker 1: and I'm like they're coming straight at me, so I

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Speaker 1: hit the brakes and they ride. They continue to ride

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Speaker 1: toward me until they're like on top of me. They're

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Speaker 1: doing wheelies the whole time on their se bikes, and

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Speaker 1: run right into me. I didn't think they were even

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Speaker 1: close your car. Nobody was kicking the car or anything

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Speaker 2: It was intimidating in a way, like what is this?

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Speaker 4: And of course, because the victim was white and many

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Speaker 6: And that's why I'm launching a new podcast, and this

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Speaker 4: On its website, Urban Alchemy believes that quote the trauma

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Speaker 2: You just know it would be. There are a number

441
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Speaker 2: of aspects of this that are super interesting.

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Speaker 4: Here's one of them. How did they go to a

443
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 4: seventy million dollar organization? Most immediate explanation is Progressive America's

444
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 4: fatish interest in alternatives to policing after George Floyd. Though

445
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 4: Urban Alchemy's employees are neither licensed to security guards and

446
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 4: are properly accredited in crisis management, They've been contracted to

447
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 4: respond to non emergency nine one one and three one

448
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Speaker 4: one homeless related calls in certain neighborhoods San Francisco and LA,

449
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Speaker 4: and run sanctioned homeless encoumpments in Portland the Broader Bay

450
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Speaker 4: area San Francisco. Unsurprisingly, things often go awry. UA employees

451
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Speaker 4: have shot and been shot, dealt drugs, sexually assaulted clients

452
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Speaker 4: on the job, and there is scant hard evidence that

453
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Speaker 4: their street psychology based interventions have improved public safety at all. Shocking, and,

454
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Speaker 4: as they write in City Journal, Urban Alchemy is a

455
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Speaker 4: case study in the expansion of the multi billion dollar

456
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Speaker 4: homeless services industry. Most of us are now familiar with

457
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Speaker 4: the phrase homeless industrial complex and the fact that increased

458
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Speaker 4: investment in our unhoused neighbors seems to only beget worse outcomes.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've been saying this for years.

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Speaker 1: Show me an example of a homeless program that doesn't

461
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Speaker 1: result in more.

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Speaker 4: Homeless people, right, Yeah, yeah, on paper, urban alchemy. It

463
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Speaker 4: does not police the homeless. It goes in and runs

464
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Speaker 4: things in ds blah bamah. We described that this model

465
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Speaker 4: often leads to subpar results, to put it generously on

466
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Speaker 4: the ground, both for UA employees and their clients. In

467
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Speaker 4: sas Alito, a wealthy Marine county town that's brought the

468
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Speaker 4: organization into work in several city sanctioned homeless camps. They're

469
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Speaker 4: not homeless camps. By the way, Transient drug addict is

470
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Speaker 4: a much more accurate right, if.

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Speaker 1: You're worried about being homeless, why in the hell would

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Speaker 1: you live in Sasilito, California, one of the most expensive

473
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Speaker 1: little tiny plots of land on earth? Right, Good lord,

474
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Speaker 1: I know very few people in my entire life who

475
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Speaker 1: could afford to live in Sacelito, California.

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Speaker 4: But Jack, if I were a transient drug addict, why

477
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Speaker 4: would I want to live in Sasolito?

478
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Speaker 1: Because they're going to hand out money to you, and

479
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Speaker 1: the weather's nice and it's incredibly pleasant. Yeah, the views

480
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Speaker 1: are magnificent. I can't afford to live there, and I

481
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Speaker 1: got a lot of money.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, where were we In sauce Alito, they run several

483
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Speaker 4: city sanctioned drug addict camps for the San Francisco Standard.

484
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Speaker 4: Homeless residents alleged that UA practitioners ran a criminal syndicate

485
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Speaker 4: that involved trafficking crystal meth in the camps and sleeping

486
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Speaker 4: with and is physically assaulting residents. There's an ongoing federal

487
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Speaker 4: rico lawsuit, and you know, we will post the link

488
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Speaker 4: to this if you want to read it. It's great journalism.

489
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 4: It goes into a great deal of depth. It names

490
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Speaker 4: a bunch of names who set them up with the

491
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Speaker 4: contracts and how it worked. But the tens of millions

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Speaker 4: of dollars just to this organization, and the billions and

493
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Speaker 4: billions of dollars that are being squandered in the blue

494
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Speaker 4: left coast of America just breathtaking.

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Speaker 2: But and this is.

496
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Speaker 4: Bless one oh one, and you're probably fully up on this.

497
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Speaker 4: I apologize for insulting your intelligence. But if you can

498
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Speaker 4: attach even the thinnest of feel good rationales for it,

499
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: the good decent people of America say, wow, these poor

500
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Speaker 4: people are homeless because housing is high. I heard, and

501
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Speaker 4: they just had one medical bill they couldn't pay, and

502
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Speaker 4: now they're homeless, and so this is good that the

503
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Speaker 4: people who actually pay taxes, their dollars are being confiscated

504
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Speaker 4: and given to these poor homeless people. It sounds good.

505
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Speaker 4: I mean, you can dig like an inch deep and

506
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Speaker 4: you realize what a load of crap it is. And

507
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Speaker 4: to get back to how we introduced it, you go

508
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Speaker 4: to the average soft headed American who doesn't pay attention.

509
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 4: Maybe they're busy, maybe they're dumb, and those are two

510
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 4: very different things, right, right, right. I know people who

511
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 4: are brilliant, they make me look like a dog, but

512
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 4: they're busy with business or whatever, and they don't really

513
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Speaker 4: pay attention to politics.

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Speaker 2: And that's fine.

515
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Speaker 4: I get that, although you know, James Madison Thomas Jefferson

516
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Speaker 4: would say it's not fine at all.

517
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Speaker 2: You're a citizen. You need to be responsible anyway.

518
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Speaker 4: Tangent on a tangent, you can easily picture soft heads

519
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Speaker 4: of reasonably good conscience responding to the group young, Gifted

520
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Speaker 4: and Green spending twenty million dollars on environmental and climate

521
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Speaker 4: justice and community change.

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Speaker 2: That all sounds so good. But that's the scam, friends,

523
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Speaker 2: that's the scam. God, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I've always been struck right away by the people who

525
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Speaker 1: are homeless in really nice areas of the country because

526
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Speaker 1: I've lived in lots of crappy places, cheap towns or

527
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: crappy apartments because there's all I can afford. I would

528
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Speaker 1: love to have lived over there, but I couldn't afford it.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why. The first thought when you've got

530
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Speaker 1: someone homeless and sauce Alito is.

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Speaker 2: Go somewhere cheaper.

532
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Speaker 1: It's like a shopping at saxophonth Avenue and saying I

533
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: can't afford any shoes. Well, then we need to come

534
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: up with the programs you can afford shoes as supposed

535
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Speaker 1: saying go to Target.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right, great square, but they have much cheaper

537
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Speaker 4: shoes over there. Yeah, yeah, I had another thought. It

538
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 4: flitted right out of my head. That's a good metaphor, though.

539
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Speaker 2: And uh steal man this for me.

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Speaker 1: Your Gavin Newsom doing the podcast and I ask why

541
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Speaker 1: why does your state have half the homeless people in

542
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Speaker 1: the entire country?

543
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Speaker 2: And what would his response be.

544
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Speaker 4: Eh, the high housing costs of California restrictive zoning, which

545
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Speaker 4: we're working to overcome high medical costs brought about by Republicans,

546
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Speaker 4: and we're taking this challenge head on.

547
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Speaker 2: He's really good at that.

548
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Speaker 4: He's really good at pretending that that Democrat progressive policies

549
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 4: which have brought the night Mayor of crime, junkies, the

550
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 4: rest of it on the Blue States of the left coast,

551
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 4: that they felt like rain. He woke up one day

552
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 4: and it was there, and he is bravely confronting.

553
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: It like the hero he is. That's his thing, that's

554
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: his trademark.

555
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Speaker 4: Oh and the thought that flitted out of my head,

556
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Speaker 4: I remember this, and I just I've got to do

557
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Speaker 4: a touchdown dance. So obviously, as a show that's been

558
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 4: based in northern California for many, many years, we were

559
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Speaker 4: very early to the junkie camp homeless industrial complex story.

560
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Speaker 4: And I remember distinctly when Jack and I would talk

561
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Speaker 4: to people who were like recovering drug addicts and had

562
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Speaker 4: spent time in the junkie camps and would come to

563
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Speaker 4: us and say, dudes, it's eighty percent of it's just junkies,

564
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Speaker 4: and a lot of them are from other places that

565
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Speaker 4: came because the benefits are so great and it's so easy.

566
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Speaker 4: You never get arrested, You get food, you get clothing,

567
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Speaker 4: you get syringes, you get everything.

568
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Speaker 2: These people have come from all over the country.

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Speaker 4: The activists and the progressive government people would sternly say

570
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Speaker 4: to us, that's not true. These are poor and unfortunate

571
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: people who live here who have been marginalized by the system. Well,

572
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: now it's becoming utterly clear, and nobody's even bothering to

573
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: deny it anymore. That where you have you know, what

574
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: was the name of the organization. We were just talking

575
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: about this group, Urban Alchemy, And you have tens of

576
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 4: millions of dollars being poured into the junkie camps, and

577
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 4: more and more junkies every day. There is almost not

578
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Speaker 4: an exception of that rule. They always grow, That's all

579
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Speaker 4: they do is grow. It is clearly people flocking there

580
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Speaker 4: to enjoy how easy and comfortable it is to be

581
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Speaker 4: a junkie in those places.

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Speaker 2: Period.

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Speaker 1: So at Columbia, you know university, the whack job pro

584
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Speaker 1: terrorist college students took over a building again yesterday and

585
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Speaker 1: with a bunch of demands and the chants and whatnot.

586
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: We like to hear people's chants.

587
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Speaker 4: The old demand and chant isnt all that's the old playbook, Jack.

588
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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get to that in an hour. Three.

589
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Speaker 1: We've also got a late night joke off at some plate.

590
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: I hope you can stick around.

591
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 7: Shop authorities sounding the alarm after multiple freight train robberies

592
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 7: targeting shipments of Nike sneakers in remote areas of the

593
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Speaker 7: Desert Southwest. The most recent heist January thirteenth and parent

594
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Speaker 7: Arizona thieves allegedly using this box truck, grabbing nearly two

595
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 7: thousand pairs of brand new, unreleased Nike sneakers worth four

596
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 7: hundred thousand dollars. Thanks to tracking devices inside some of

597
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Speaker 7: the cargo, eleven people were arrested.

598
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Speaker 2: They get on it, they.

599
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Speaker 6: Cut a brake line, stop that train, and it's basically

600
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Speaker 6: a shopper's delight.

601
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Speaker 7: At least ten heists since last March, netting more than

602
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Speaker 7: two million dollars in stolen Nikes. Authorities say criminal gangs

603
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Speaker 7: linked to the Sinaloa cartel are behind the thefts.

604
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Speaker 1: Wow, I wasn't ready for that twist. At the end,

605
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: it to Mexican drug cartels the key word in that

606
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: whole thing, because my son is A is a sneaker yunkie, unreleased.

607
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: So the unreleased Nikes, man, those things go on sale,

608
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: they sell out immediately, and they're on eBay for two, three, five,

609
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: fifteen times what they cost if you can get them

610
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: originally when Nike releases them.

611
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: So those unreleased shows, you can make a lot of

612
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: money on those.

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Speaker 4: The cartels are absolutely operating in the United States now

614
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Speaker 4: at a high level.

615
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Speaker 1: So next hour Columbia students idiots took over a building yesterday,

616
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Speaker 1: had demands and the administration bowed to them as they

617
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Speaker 1: usually do.

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous and you've got to hear their chanting. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: some of the chanting is extra stupid.

620
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Speaker 1: And oh and if you maybe you I hate to

621
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Speaker 1: say fell for it because it makes it seem like,

622
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, if you fall for something, you're a you know,

623
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: you're a dupe or dumb or naive or something.

624
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: In the world of AI, we're all going to fall

625
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: for things all the time.

626
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Speaker 1: You need to come up with a different term that

627
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have any you know, negative prejudice to it, because

628
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: we're all going to get fooled by AI.

629
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Speaker 2: In all kinds of different ways. Yeah, yep, agreed.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Don Junior clip that was floating around yesterday and

631
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Speaker 1: we'll play that for you in hour three. Also, I'm

632
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: going to read it. Dear Abbey and Joe can react

633
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: to a joke Joe's big. I don't know how many

634
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: like Katie. Do you know what Dear Abbey is? I

635
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know how long? When when did Dear Abbey have

636
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Speaker 1: its main traction? I don't know when Dear Abby went

637
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: out of style. Used to be you get your daily newspaper,

638
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: made on actual paper, out on the drive. You don't know,

639
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Dear Abby, you got it was an advice column, and

640
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Speaker 1: it was like you'd call in with your problems of

641
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: my mom meets with her mouth open and it drives

642
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: me crazy and I don't know what to do. Dear

643
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: Abby tell me what to do, And then Dear Abbey

644
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: would write, well, try to have a conversation with your

645
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: mother where you both can keep your tempers and come

646
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Speaker 1: to a reasonable agreement. Yeah, it was from the fairly

647
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: silly and light too sometimes fairly serious problem. I don't

648
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: know who writes to your issued advice Caline. I don't

649
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: know who writes Dear Abbey anymore. But here's one I

650
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: came across in the New York Post. Dear Abby, I've

651
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: been in a relationship with someone for eleven months. We

652
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: were both each other's first relationship after being single for

653
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: a few years following traumatic breakups.

654
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: I was like that he had a traumatic breakup.

655
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: All breakups are traumatic, with very very rare exceptions.

656
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding.

657
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Speaker 1: During our entire relationship, he has not cut his hair,

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Speaker 1: left his house, or socialized with anyone besides me except

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Speaker 1: via text.

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00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: He doesn't visit me, but he always leaves his door

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Speaker 2: open to me.

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00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: We've discussed going out, but he always finds a reason

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Speaker 1: to stay inside. After a while, I realized these were

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Speaker 1: just excuses. He says he loves me, but he will

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Speaker 1: not leave the house.

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Speaker 4: What should I do, Dear Abby, find a boyfriend who's

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Speaker 4: not an agoraphobic hermit.

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Speaker 2: I feel sorry for that.

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Speaker 1: Usually that that was always my reaction to any dear

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Speaker 1: Yavy column was feeling sorry for the person who wrote

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Speaker 1: the letter. You don't know what to do in this situation.

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Speaker 1: You got to find a different boyfriend. He's a crazy person. Well,

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Speaker 1: and you got to ask a newspaper columnist. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they get like thousands of letters, so you get a

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Speaker 1: one in a thousand chance of any answer whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: And this is plan A. You're just gonna date the

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Speaker 2: guy who never leaves his house. Armstrong and Getty