WEBVTT - Caught in a Lie | EP 6 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:08.360 After months of avoiding accountability, Laura Owens was finally required 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:10.000 to answer some questions. 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:12.360 I'm going to remind you again that you're not really 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.960 supposed to be dishonest in depositions. 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:15.800 I'm well aware. 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:21.079 On March first, twenty twenty four, Laura sat for a deposition. 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.520 The audio you're going to hear in this episode hasn't 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.560 been made public before. On the other side of the 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.520 desk was Greg Woodnick, the lawyer who two years earlier 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.800 she'd accused of orchestrating her alleged rape. Wouldn'tick had some 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.680 basic questions about Laura's alleged pregnancy with Clayton Eckerd's twins. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:41.920 You're under oath? Are you just going to deny that 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:43.240 you ever sent this email yesterday? 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.880 Wouldn'tick had come prepared to hold Laura's feet to the fire. 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.400 At what point were you going to tell my office 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.640 or your own attorney that you doctored a medical record. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.920 The story had been a viral sensation for months, not 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.160 because people thought Clayton was the father, but because people 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:02.320 thought Laura was lying. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.760 You knew the world because this is national news. You 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.880 knew the world thought you were bullshitting the pregnancy right, 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.400 there's articles about it. Correct. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.320 Yes, Clayton has been very persuasive. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.800 In the deposition. Laura's story would change dramatically once again, 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:30.920 but this time it was under oath. I'm Stephanie Young. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:32.880 This is love trapped. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:38.679 There's no way. You'd better believe. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:48.240 I'll be raising the hellless if you ever, ever, ever, 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:51.920 ever tratic. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.520 By December twenty twenty three, Laura Owens would be seven 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:06.680 months pregnant. She'd been barred from communicating directly with Clayton, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.200 but he was bracing for her next move because she 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:13.280 still had an active paternity case in the Arizona family 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.320 court system. 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:21.840 I ended up getting a notification that the family court 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:26.240 case that Laura had opened against me was going inactive, 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.400 which eventually meant if nothing elsewhere to be filed, it 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:30.960 would be closed completely. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.440 This happened because Laura and her attorney hadn't followed up 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.880 with the filing. The paternity suit that she'd originally brought 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.760 to the tabloids would be closed entirely without a resolution. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:47.040 It wasn't necessarily surprising that she went quiet. We obviously 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.200 suspected exactly what it was, and that was the facts 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.800 in the line with her legal position, and she didn't 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.400 know what to do, and we at this point had 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:57.400 had a good amount of experience with her. 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.560 But it left a big question. Was she still claiming 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.600 to be pregnant? The last time she'd answered this question 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:08.799 under oath was about a month prior. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.920 And how along are you as you stay here today 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:14.240 with respect the pregnancy? 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.239 I am twenty four weeks a long. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.160 In Arizona, a pregnancy loss after twenty weeks is legally 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.480 a stillbirth, which would require the heavy step of filing 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:31.720 fetal death certificates within seven days, which Laura hadn't done. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.680 So if she claimed a pregnancy loss now, the math 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.280 wouldn't add up. She'd already testified to being twenty four 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.880 weeks along, and now if the paternity suit went inactive, 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.440 there would be no closure, no proof of what happened 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:48.880 to Laura's alleged pregnancy. 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.440 That didn't sit right with me. I felt it was 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:57.720 very unfair that she got to make a false accusation 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:02.320 against me and get away with it without any repercussions. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.240 Clayton felt strongly about this, so he called Woodnick. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:12.400 I said, Hey, this case is going in active here soon, 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:17.200 and I'm not okay with that. I would like to 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:21.480 file something to have her prove that she was pregnant, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:23.279 because she won't be able to. 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:25.360 Can we do that? 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.839 Actually, there were a couple things they could do. First, 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.839 they filed a motion to establish non paternity. That means 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.680 that Clayton wanted a court record saying he was not 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.000 the father. Here's one of Woodnick's associates on the case, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:42.359 Isabelle Ranny. 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.159 If you have a paternal DNA test that says he's 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.920 the father, then he's the father. But we had none 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:54.479 of that, and because of this fictitious filing, he was 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.479 entitled to a determination that he was never the father. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.800 So we notified the court that hey, we're here and 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.679 we're doing this and we need a hearing. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.640 Two years earlier, Isabelle worked on Greg Gillespie's case with Woodnick. 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.200 Greg was another man Laura claimed had impregnated her with twins. 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.320 Isabelle decided to try and anticipate Laura's next move. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.839 At that point, we were very familiar with her pattern 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.520 and we knew that she was going to either claim 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:27.919 abortion or miscarriage, or maybe she was going to allege 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.880 that there was another assault on her that my boss. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:32.279 Was involved in. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.800 After what would Nick had seen on Greg's case, he 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.599 felt like Laura was capable of anything, so he signed 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:44.440 Clayton up for something called the Putative Father's Registry. It's 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.880 a little known state registry that protects the parental rights 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.760 of unmarried biological fathers, notifying them if their child is 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:52.920 being placed for adoption. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:59.120 We decided to notify the Putative Father's Registry about Clayton, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:03.120 not because we thought Laura was pregnant. We didn't, but 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.160 Laura was claiming she was pregnant. What we didn't want 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.240 Laura to do was what we were anticipating, which was 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:13.040 claim I had the Bachelor's babies and I put them 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:13.760 up for adoption. 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.400 Clayton didn't know what her next move would be, but 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.719 with wood Nick on his team, he finally felt like 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.280 they had a chance to prove the truth in court. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.599 I need to hold this woman accountable. I'm tired of 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.799 people stepping all over me and shitting on my reputation. 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.200 It's time that I fight back. And I had heard 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.680 that somebody wasn't too happy, and certainly wasn't expecting that 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.160 to be filed. And this was like the fire that 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.160 really was lit under my ass where I was like, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.720 I don't deserve this, Like I'm a good person. I'm 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.760 not perfect, but i am not a monster, and I'm 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:50.840 tired of this bullshit. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:53.320 It's time to fight fire with fire. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.120 He wanted an explanation. She claimed in court to be 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.799 twenty four weeks pregnant. She couldn't act like that never happened. 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.400 But on December twenty eighth, she tried. Dave Neil broke 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:06.839 the news. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.480 Ladies and gentlemen of Bachelor Nation, we have breaking news 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.280 to present to you right now, an absolutely wild day 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:17.880 in Bachelor Nation. A source claims she is no longer 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:23.000 pregnant and is trying to get her case dismissed that 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:24.320 she has in family. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:28.040 Court, Laura filed to dismiss the paternity case, and in 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.640 the filing she claimed she was quote no longer pregnant, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:36.000 with no explanation. Did she have the babies? Did she 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:40.240 have a twin stillbirth? She didn't say. All she said 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.679 in the filing is that she was no longer pregnant 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.680 and therefore asked the courts to dismiss the paternity case. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.040 But Clayton and Woodnick weren't about to let it end there, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.120 it was Clayton's turn to go nuclear, and he took it. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.040 He still had the right to have his portion of 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.640 the case adjudicated established that he was never the father. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.960 Clayton and Woodnick wanted to go even further to prove 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.000 in court that Laura was never pregnant by Clayton Eckert, 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:13.920 that she'd been acting in bad faith. An evidentiary hearing 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.760 was scheduled to settle it. That meant the case went 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:17.880 into legal discovery. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.840 In Arizona, we've got discovery rules and we've got disclosure 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.480 rules that require each side to give the other side 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:26.760 all of their information. 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.680 For the first time, Laura's pregnancy would be on trial. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.960 Prior to this, all their hearings had been focused on 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:41.000 restraining orders and allegations of harassment. This time the judge 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.480 would be ruling on if Laura was actually pregnant. All 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.479 of her medical records could be subpoenaed as part of discovery, 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:52.600 and there was another tool in the toolbox, depositions, where 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.640 both Clayton and Laura would be required by the courts 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.240 to give a sworn testimony. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.599 We try to gather data in cases without demas positions 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.160 in this case, I think it was very necessary. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.800 Clayton's deposition was scheduled first on February second, twenty twenty four. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:12.679 He showed up to Laura's attorney's office. He expected it 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.959 to just be him, wood Nick and Laura's attorney, But 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:17.240 to his surprise. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.640 I show up and she's there. But not only is 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:26.760 she there, She's there with a laptop. She's taking notes 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.200 while I'm talking. We had somebody there transcribing the whole thing. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.640 All of my words were being documented. 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.200 As you can imagine, this rubbed Clayton the wrong way. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.320 Why was Laura there if she had an order of 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:41.760 protection against him? 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:47.000 Because it was a legal matter, she could. But if 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.240 you were so in fear for your own safety, why 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:50.079 would you show up. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:55.920 Clayton's patience was clearly running thin. He wasn't even trying 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:00.240 to hide his annoyance once the questioning got underway. Here's 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.560 a clip from Clayton's deposition. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.520 Did you recently state during your podcast that the real 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.640 reason you asked her to come over was so that 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.280 you could have her conduct a pregnancy test. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:10.560 Of your own. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.679 That was the other part of it in front of you? 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.880 Presumably yes, although she would not be in front of me, 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.760 but yes, understood. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.680 And did you purchase that pregnancy test? 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:26.319 I did, And let's call it an ACG test because 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:27.800 we know that she was never pregnant. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.199 Well on the box, did it indicate that it was 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:31.199 a pregnancy test? 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:33.600 Sure, I guess that's what they marketed as for people 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:38.000 that are actually truthful and take these tests and don't lie. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.400 Laura's attorney then asked Clayton if he thought Laura was 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.800 actually pregnant when the test came back positive. Clayton's side 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.400 of the story stayed the same as it's been since 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:50.240 the very beginning. 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:52.920 I had a moment of disbelief. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.200 But yeah, at that moment, I thought maybe she had 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.440 actually successfully trapped me by in submitting herself. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:58.559 That was my belief. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.080 The questioning didn't stop at the pregnancy test. The deposition 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.600 then took a turn into what actually happened or didn't 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.360 happen between them that night. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.200 Why wasn't their intercourse between you and the songs? 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.439 Because she said she didn't want to Sorry, I said, okay, 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:20.520 I respected that. 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:21.720 I didn't push it. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.160 In this podcast, you've heard Clayton's story, and you've heard 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.520 bits and pieces of Laura's side, but before she went 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.560 under oath, she made one more move. Here's Woodnick. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.319 I read it and my eyes bugged out, and Clayton's 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.280 on the phone with me, and I'm like, this is 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:59.280 weird to me. This feels like extortion. I want to 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:04.160 say to business days before the deposition. Clayton got the letter. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.080 Two days before Laura was scheduled to sit for her deposition. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.280 She sent Clayton a letter. Technically, she sent it to 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.000 Woodnick because she's legally not allowed. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:15.840 To communicate with Clayton. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.600 The subject line read comprehensive legal Notice of intent to 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.880 sue for breaches of contractual and fiduciary duties. Laura was 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.880 planning to sue for over one million dollars. 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.200 When you get a letter from somebody saying I will 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.200 sue you for one point four million, and that is 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.360 a little nerve wracking to get that email and go 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.840 is this person bluffing or are they legit? And do 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:42.120 they have a case. 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.199 Remember back in episode one, when Clayton first met Laura 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.640 as a real estate client, he told her he wrote offers, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.360 but he didn't actually send the contracts. Well, Laura was 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.439 dredging that backup and threatening to sue him for one 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:02.959 point four million dollars over the unsent offers. Her demand 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.880 letter had one stipulation. Laura would agree not to pursue 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.840 immediate litigation if Clayton dropped the family court case to 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:15.160 prove non paternity, and any future legal actions against each 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.079 other for any claims. Here's Woodnick, it. 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.560 Might have been the first time I read something and 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.040 I knew the damage that chat GPT could cause. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:30.320 In her deposition, Laura would admit that chat GPT helped 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.160 her write this demand letter, but it also. 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.000 Had some Laura elements to it. It was just kind 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:40.000 of like that eleventh hour thing that she would do. 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.120 On Woodnick's advice, Clayton ignored the letter. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:48.880 Clayton didn't ruin her life financially because they met for 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:52.840 a weekend. She blew him twice, and then he decided 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.319 he probably made a mistake and he shouldn't be dealing 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.080 with real estate with her, and he tried to distance 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:02.320 himself professionally. That didn't cause her financial downfall. Everything she 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.920 did causes her financial downfall, but it had nothing to 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.640 do with Clayton. And then to turn around and say, hey, Clayton, 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.880 I'll walk away from suing you for a one point 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:16.359 four million dollars in exchange for something else. Was like laughable, 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:17.880 and we laughed. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.760 Laura's deposition was scheduled for eight am on March first. 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.480 This was the moment where she would have to answer 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.080 for everything related to the alleged pregnancy on the record. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.320 Greg wood Nick was ready. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:36.040 It's in my office in Phoenix, and videographer and a 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.480 court reporter. And she showed up and I had my associate, 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.280 Isabelle with me, and Isabelle's job was to control the 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:43.560 media and the exhibits. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.080 Even though Laura showed up for Clayton's, he had no 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:49.680 intention of showing. 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:50.320 Up for hers. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.600 For me, showing up would show that like she had 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.920 me caught up, like I can't do anything else right now. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:59.640 I was like, no, no, no, I want my life to 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.360 look like this little thing. Oh okay, I'll come in 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.680 from my deposition, but for hers, forget it. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:11.000 You know you're not gonna catch me there, But you 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:12.040 raised your right hand with me. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.440 Laura was sworn in and the deposition got underway. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.920 Do you solemnly swear or from a testimony you're about 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:21.480 to be able to be the truthful truth and nothing 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:22.000 but the truth. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:23.240 Yes, thank you. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.320 Wouldn't. It started out with the question not about her 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:34.960 alleged pregnancy, but about The Bachelor. In his discovery, he'd 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.440 gained access to hundreds of emails and texts between Laura 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:42.800 and Clayton. When Laura had first met Clayton, she admitted 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.280 to him in a text quote, I know you were 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.480 the Bachelor, but I don't watch the show. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:53.400 Sorry, you completed an application for the Bachelor or Bachelorette? 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:53.840 Yes or no? 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.640 I don't know if I complained it. I know I 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.000 shot a video, but I think it has multiple. 0:15:58.600 --> 0:15:59.560 Parts that I didn't do. 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.960 Laura admitted that she started an application to go on 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.440 the show. We don't know for which franchise, but it 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.680 stands to reason that if she was applying, she'd probably 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:15.520 watched the show before. My reporting uncovered a second, even 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.640 more glaring contradiction to her statement that she didn't watch 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.800 The Bachelor. This twenty fourteen clip is from her father's 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:23.440 radio show. 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.520 So as I said more than once Ron Owens Kgo Radio, 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:29.560 I live in a house. 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:31.240 Well it's an estrogen house. 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.680 I've got two daughters, I've got a wife and so 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.160 the Bachelor is something that has never missed. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:36.400 In our home. 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:43.360 Wouldn't it continue the deposition moving onto the striking parallels 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.280 between Clayton's case and Greg Gillespie's. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:51.000 Just to be clear, you suggested to Greg Gillespie that 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.840 you would get an abortion if he agreed to date you. 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.560 I didn't suggest it, It was more. I mean he originally 0:16:58.840 --> 0:16:59.760 had suggested it. 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.400 Laura, that's the exact same thing that you did with Clayton. Correct. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.520 No, I will remind you here that In an email 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.840 to Clayton on June twenty fifth, twenty twenty three, Laura wrote, quote, 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.240 I will not consider an abortion if you don't want 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.439 to date and see if God brought us together for 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.760 a reason. Then again, on July first, Laura states in 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.760 an email, you can't say you haven't been given a 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.280 voice when I have told you that I will have 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.840 an abortion if we try things out for a few 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.119 weeks and have a good reason for aborting a child. 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:35.200 Wouldn't it pressed her on this? 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:41.280 You didn't ask Clayton to continue dating you and discuss 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.840 abortion with him if he continued dating you. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.159 I said, I want us to make the decision together 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.280 and to spend two weeks together. 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.360 Which is Clayton, date me for two weeks. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.399 I've wanted, But it's not date me and I'll have 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:56.919 an abortion. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.120 Well, that's exactly what it is. That's what you said 0:17:59.160 --> 0:17:59.720 in an email. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:01.879 Now, it wasn't sat me and I'll have an abortion. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.440 It was I wanted to figure out how he would 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:05.160 be as a father. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.880 And you don't think that that email is eerily similar 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.280 to what you just discussed sending to Greg Lespie. 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:17.000 Now, I think the situations were very different, wouldn't it? 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.159 Then turns to the ultrasound video Laura email Clayton. 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.400 The still that I'm showing you is dated September fifth, 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.800 twenty twenty three. That says it's from SMILE. Do you 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:26.119 see that? 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:32.040 Yes, SMILE refers to Southwest Medical Imaging, a medical practice 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.480 that does ultrasounds in Arizona. You'll be hearing that name 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.200 often when it comes to Laura's ultrasounds. Wouldn't it pulled 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.000 up the ultrasound video she'd send. 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:42.720 Okay, is this yours? 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:44.120 This is not mine? 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.440 Hey, on for a second, this is an email from 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:51.280 you to Clayton. Correct. Yes, you sent Clayton an email 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.760 on October six, twenty twenty three. Correct. Correct, And you 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.159 said here is my one hundred million percent real video 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.040 and then you attached a video? Correct, yes or no? 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:04.359 That's my email? 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.560 I truly don't, Laura, does it have your name on it? 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:10.120 It has my name on it. I don't even see 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:11.160 what email across it's from. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:13.960 Hang on for a second, and I'm going to remind 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.200 you again that you're not really supposed to be dishonest 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:17.640 if depositions. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:18.480 I'm well aware. 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.359 If you pulled up your Scent account and you looked 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:25.879 at October sixth, twenty twenty three in an email Exchangel Clayton, 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.760 and you saw in your sent account that you attached 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.439 this ultrasound image, you would agree you sent it then? Correct. 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.640 I'm positive I did not send this ultra sound video? 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:37.040 Is this ultrasound yours? 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.960 It is not my ultrasound? It says it's from Smile, 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.480 but it wasn't the same date. It wasn't the same date. 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.199 I was asked the same question by Dave Neil if 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.600 this was mine, and I never when he was trying 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.920 to think he could trap me, and I've never said this. 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:52.600 Was mine, Laura, whose is this? 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:54.480 It's not mine? 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.840 But in October. Is your suggestion that Clayton, like Greg, 0:19:58.960 --> 0:19:59.960 faked an ultrasound. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:01.320 I'm not saying that. 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.200 I'm saying that people have commented online that my passwords 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.560 have not been changed in more than three years on discord, 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:08.480 and I. 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.120 Don't know what has happened. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.919 With my Laura, you're email, you're under oath? Are you 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.080 just going to deny that you ever sent this email yesterday? 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:16.199 Think you bat it? Is it yours or not? 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:18.719 This is not my ultrasound? 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:19.359 No, okay? 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.760 To recap, Laura now claims the ultrasound video she emailed 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:30.560 Clayton wasn't hers. She also claims she never sent the 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.879 email at all, even though she'd emailed Clayton on the 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:39.119 same day before and after this from the same email account. 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.920 Then Wouldn'tick asked about the inconsistencies on the ultrasound. 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:49.919 Exhibit number nine is from Scottsdale Medical Labs. This is 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.800 an ultrasound dated July seven, twenty twenty three. Yes, okay. 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:55.600 Is that your name on the top and your birthdate 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:56.080 next to it? 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:57.359 That is my name and birthday? 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:01.320 Yess okay? And this is the ultrasound that you received 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.840 at Smile that was presented in the prior proceedings. 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:08.560 Correct, Yes it was, it was, but this was actually 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:09.520 a plan Parenthood. 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.720 Okay, I'm gonna make sure I clarify that. Let's start 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:19.600 off with the basics. On exhibit nine, is this your ultrasound? Yes? Okay. 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.359 Did you go into a smile facility because it is 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:24.879 your mark smile to get this ultrasound? 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:25.600 I did not. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.040 Okay, where did you get this ultrasound? 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:29.920 Plain Parenthood and Mission Vieh? 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:33.399 Okay, so I don't know Mission Vieh. Well, but is 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:37.280 what you're suggesting that Scottsdale Medical Imaging has a branch 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:41.640 in Mission Villehill, California. No, I'm totally confused here. I'll 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.080 give you a chance just to explain how there's a 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:48.320 Scottsdale Medical Imaging ultrasound that you claim came from Mission Villehle, California. 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:48.960 There's not. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:52.320 This was actually taken and this was taken in Mission Vieho. 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:54.040 This was not taken out smile. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.000 Why does it say smile on it? 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.080 I did change the top of that from plane Parenthood 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.119 to smile because I didn't want him to contact a 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:03.240