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Speaker 1: After months of avoiding accountability, Laura Owens was finally required

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Speaker 2: I'm going to remind you again that you're not really

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Speaker 3: I'm well aware.

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Speaker 1: On March first, twenty twenty four, Laura sat for a deposition.

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Speaker 1: The audio you're going to hear in this episode hasn't

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Speaker 1: been made public before. On the other side of the

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Speaker 1: desk was Greg Woodnick, the lawyer who two years earlier

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Speaker 1: she'd accused of orchestrating her alleged rape. Wouldn'tick had some

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Speaker 1: basic questions about Laura's alleged pregnancy with Clayton Eckerd's twins.

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Speaker 2: You're under oath? Are you just going to deny that

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Speaker 2: you ever sent this email yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Wouldn'tick had come prepared to hold Laura's feet to the fire.

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Speaker 2: At what point were you going to tell my office

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Speaker 2: or your own attorney that you doctored a medical record.

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Speaker 1: The story had been a viral sensation for months, not

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Speaker 1: because people thought Clayton was the father, but because people

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Speaker 2: You knew the world because this is national news. You

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Speaker 2: knew the world thought you were bullshitting the pregnancy right,

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Speaker 2: there's articles about it. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Clayton has been very persuasive.

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Speaker 1: In the deposition. Laura's story would change dramatically once again,

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Speaker 1: but this time it was under oath. I'm Stephanie Young.

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Speaker 1: This is love trapped.

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Speaker 2: There's no way. You'd better believe.

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Speaker 4: I'll be raising the hellless if you ever, ever, ever,

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Speaker 1: By December twenty twenty three, Laura Owens would be seven

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Speaker 1: months pregnant. She'd been barred from communicating directly with Clayton,

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Speaker 1: but he was bracing for her next move because she

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Speaker 1: still had an active paternity case in the Arizona family

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Speaker 5: I ended up getting a notification that the family court

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Speaker 5: case that Laura had opened against me was going inactive,

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Speaker 5: which eventually meant if nothing elsewhere to be filed, it

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Speaker 1: This happened because Laura and her attorney hadn't followed up

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Speaker 2: It wasn't necessarily surprising that she went quiet. We obviously

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Speaker 1: But it left a big question. Was she still claiming

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Speaker 6: And how along are you as you stay here today

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Speaker 3: I am twenty four weeks a long.

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Speaker 1: In Arizona, a pregnancy loss after twenty weeks is legally

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Speaker 1: So if she claimed a pregnancy loss now, the math

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Speaker 5: That didn't sit right with me. I felt it was

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Speaker 1: Clayton felt strongly about this, so he called Woodnick.

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Speaker 5: I said, Hey, this case is going in active here soon,

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Speaker 5: and I'm not okay with that. I would like to

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Speaker 2: Can we do that?

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Speaker 1: Actually, there were a couple things they could do. First,

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Speaker 1: Isabelle Ranny.

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Speaker 7: If you have a paternal DNA test that says he's

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Speaker 7: of that, and because of this fictitious filing, he was

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Speaker 2: So we notified the court that hey, we're here and

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Speaker 1: Two years earlier, Isabelle worked on Greg Gillespie's case with Woodnick.

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Speaker 1: Greg was another man Laura claimed had impregnated her with twins.

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Speaker 8: At that point, we were very familiar with her pattern

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Speaker 1: After what would Nick had seen on Greg's case, he

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Speaker 1: Clayton up for something called the Putative Father's Registry. It's

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Speaker 1: a little known state registry that protects the parental rights

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Speaker 2: We decided to notify the Putative Father's Registry about Clayton,

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Speaker 2: not because we thought Laura was pregnant. We didn't, but

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Speaker 2: Laura was claiming she was pregnant. What we didn't want

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Speaker 2: Laura to do was what we were anticipating, which was

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Speaker 1: Clayton didn't know what her next move would be, but

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Speaker 5: I need to hold this woman accountable. I'm tired of

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Speaker 5: It's time that I fight back. And I had heard

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Speaker 5: I don't deserve this, Like I'm a good person. I'm

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Speaker 2: It's time to fight fire with fire.

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Speaker 1: He wanted an explanation. She claimed in court to be

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Speaker 1: But on December twenty eighth, she tried. Dave Neil broke

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Speaker 9: Ladies and gentlemen of Bachelor Nation, we have breaking news

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Speaker 9: to present to you right now, an absolutely wild day

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Speaker 9: in Bachelor Nation. A source claims she is no longer

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Speaker 1: Court, Laura filed to dismiss the paternity case, and in

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Speaker 1: the filing she claimed she was quote no longer pregnant,

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Speaker 1: But Clayton and Woodnick weren't about to let it end there,

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Speaker 1: it was Clayton's turn to go nuclear, and he took it.

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Speaker 1: He still had the right to have his portion of

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Speaker 2: In Arizona, we've got discovery rules and we've got disclosure

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Speaker 1: For the first time, Laura's pregnancy would be on trial.

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Speaker 1: Prior to this, all their hearings had been focused on

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Speaker 2: We try to gather data in cases without demas positions

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Speaker 2: in this case, I think it was very necessary.

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Speaker 1: Clayton's deposition was scheduled first on February second, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: He showed up to Laura's attorney's office. He expected it

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Speaker 5: I show up and she's there. But not only is

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Speaker 5: she there, She's there with a laptop. She's taking notes

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Speaker 5: All of my words were being documented.

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Speaker 1: As you can imagine, this rubbed Clayton the wrong way.

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Speaker 1: Why was Laura there if she had an order of

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Speaker 5: Because it was a legal matter, she could. But if

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Speaker 1: Clayton's patience was clearly running thin. He wasn't even trying

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Speaker 10: Did you recently state during your podcast that the real

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Speaker 2: Of your own.

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Speaker 10: That was the other part of it in front of you?

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Speaker 10: And did you purchase that pregnancy test?

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Speaker 10: Why wasn't their intercourse between you and the songs?

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Speaker 5: Because she said she didn't want to Sorry, I said, okay,

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Speaker 2: I read it and my eyes bugged out, and Clayton's

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Speaker 2: say to business days before the deposition. Clayton got the letter.

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Speaker 1: Two days before Laura was scheduled to sit for her deposition.

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Speaker 1: She sent Clayton a letter. Technically, she sent it to

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Speaker 3: To communicate with Clayton.

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Speaker 1: The subject line read comprehensive legal Notice of intent to

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Speaker 1: sue for breaches of contractual and fiduciary duties. Laura was

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Speaker 5: When you get a letter from somebody saying I will

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Speaker 1: Remember back in episode one, when Clayton first met Laura

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Speaker 1: Laura's deposition was scheduled for eight am on March first.

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Speaker 1: This was the moment where she would have to answer

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Speaker 1: Greg wood Nick was ready.

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Speaker 2: It's in my office in Phoenix, and videographer and a

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Speaker 1: Even though Laura showed up for Clayton's, he had no

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Speaker 3: Up for hers.

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Speaker 5: For me, showing up would show that like she had

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Speaker 2: You know you're not gonna catch me there, But you

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Speaker 1: Laura was sworn in and the deposition got underway.

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Speaker 2: Do you solemnly swear or from a testimony you're about

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't. It started out with the question not about her

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Speaker 2: Sorry, you completed an application for the Bachelor or Bachelorette?

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I complained it. I know I

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Speaker 11: So as I said more than once Ron Owens Kgo Radio,

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Speaker 2: Well it's an estrogen house.

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Speaker 5: I've got two daughters, I've got a wife and so

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Speaker 2: In our home.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it continue the deposition moving onto the striking parallels

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Speaker 2: Just to be clear, you suggested to Greg Gillespie that

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Speaker 6: I didn't suggest it, It was more. I mean he originally

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Speaker 2: Laura, that's the exact same thing that you did with Clayton. Correct.

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Speaker 1: No, I will remind you here that In an email

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it pressed her on this?

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Speaker 2: You didn't ask Clayton to continue dating you and discuss

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Speaker 6: I said, I want us to make the decision together

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Speaker 2: Which is Clayton, date me for two weeks.

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Speaker 3: I've wanted, But it's not date me and I'll have

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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly what it is. That's what you said

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Speaker 6: Now, it wasn't sat me and I'll have an abortion.

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Speaker 6: It was I wanted to figure out how he would

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Speaker 2: And you don't think that that email is eerily similar

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Speaker 3: Now, I think the situations were very different, wouldn't it?

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Speaker 1: Then turns to the ultrasound video Laura email Clayton.

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Speaker 2: The still that I'm showing you is dated September fifth,

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Speaker 1: Yes, SMILE refers to Southwest Medical Imaging, a medical practice

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Speaker 1: that does ultrasounds in Arizona. You'll be hearing that name

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Speaker 1: often when it comes to Laura's ultrasounds. Wouldn't it pulled

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Speaker 2: Okay, is this yours?

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Speaker 3: This is not mine?

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Speaker 2: Hey, on for a second, this is an email from

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Speaker 2: you to Clayton. Correct. Yes, you sent Clayton an email

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Speaker 2: on October six, twenty twenty three. Correct. Correct, And you

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Speaker 2: said here is my one hundred million percent real video

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Speaker 2: and then you attached a video? Correct, yes or no?

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Speaker 3: That's my email?

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Speaker 2: I truly don't, Laura, does it have your name on it?

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Speaker 3: It has my name on it. I don't even see

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Speaker 3: what email across it's from.

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Speaker 2: Hang on for a second, and I'm going to remind

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Speaker 2: you again that you're not really supposed to be dishonest

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Speaker 3: I'm well aware.

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Speaker 2: If you pulled up your Scent account and you looked

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Speaker 2: at October sixth, twenty twenty three in an email Exchangel Clayton,

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Speaker 2: and you saw in your sent account that you attached

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Speaker 2: this ultrasound image, you would agree you sent it then? Correct.

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Speaker 3: I'm positive I did not send this ultra sound video?

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Speaker 2: Is this ultrasound yours?

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Speaker 3: It is not my ultrasound? It says it's from Smile,

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Speaker 2: Was mine, Laura, whose is this?

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Speaker 3: It's not mine?

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Speaker 2: But in October. Is your suggestion that Clayton, like Greg,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 6: I'm saying that people have commented online that my passwords

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Speaker 6: and I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know what has happened.

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Speaker 2: With my Laura, you're email, you're under oath? Are you

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Speaker 2: just going to deny that you ever sent this email yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Think you bat it? Is it yours or not?

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Speaker 3: This is not my ultrasound?

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Speaker 2: No, okay?

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Speaker 1: To recap, Laura now claims the ultrasound video she emailed

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Speaker 1: Then Wouldn'tick asked about the inconsistencies on the ultrasound.

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Speaker 2: Exhibit number nine is from Scottsdale Medical Labs. This is

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Speaker 2: an ultrasound dated July seven, twenty twenty three. Yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: Is that your name on the top and your birthdate

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Speaker 3: That is my name and birthday?

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Speaker 2: Yess okay? And this is the ultrasound that you received

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Speaker 6: Correct, Yes it was, it was, but this was actually

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna make sure I clarify that. Let's start

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Speaker 3: I did not.

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Speaker 2: Okay, where did you get this ultrasound?

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Speaker 3: Plain Parenthood and Mission Vieh?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I don't know Mission Vieh. Well, but is

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Speaker 2: what you're suggesting that Scottsdale Medical Imaging has a branch

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Speaker 2: in Mission Villehill, California. No, I'm totally confused here. I'll

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Speaker 2: Scottsdale Medical Imaging ultrasound that you claim came from Mission Villehle, California.

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Speaker 3: There's not.

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Speaker 6: This was actually taken and this was taken in Mission Vieho.

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Speaker 3: This was not taken out smile.

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Speaker 2: Why does it say smile on it?

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Speaker 6: I did change the top of that from plane Parenthood

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Speaker 6: Doctorate's all.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm showing you real clearly an ultrasound image that

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Speaker 2: you are admitting to having changed information on. Is that true?

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Speaker 3: Just the top left?

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Speaker 1: Yes, this was a jaw dropping moment. Under oath, Laura

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Speaker 1: admitted to doctoring a medical record. She says she's changed

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Speaker 1: the name of the doctor's office, and that's it. But

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Speaker 2: Other than changing the word smile on that exhibit. Did

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 2: All right, Laura, I'm going to give you an opportunity now,

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Speaker 2: this case. Is this the only document you've altered? Yes,

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Speaker 2: So every exhibit in this entire history of Famed, of

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Speaker 2: number nine.

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Speaker 6: Yes, this is the only This is the only one.

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Speaker 6: And I would hope that the fact that I'm admitting

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Speaker 2: Well, it means that you lied in an exhibit. You

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Speaker 2: and you're telling me right now that's the only one

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Speaker 2: that I have to think about. Yes, okay, what software

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Speaker 2: did you used to change it?

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Speaker 3: Adobe? Acrobat?

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Speaker 2: At what point were you going to tell my office

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Speaker 3: I mean, as I said, it's my ultrasound, it is

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it pressed her further? And it seems like Laura

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Speaker 2: How many sonograms have you had for this alleged pregnancy one?

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Speaker 2: Where was it?

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Speaker 3: Plan? Hearent hook mission via hip?

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Speaker 2: If I were to want the original source of the sonogram,

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Speaker 2: the only sonogram you took in a six or seven

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did go ononymously.

448
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Speaker 2: Oh so if I issue a subpoena to them, because

449
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Speaker 2: you're going to sign a consent when we bring this

450
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Speaker 2: to Judge Motts's attention, they're not going to know it

451
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 2: was you that was there.

452
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 3: I self paid. I mean, I don't know.

453
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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm going to give you an opportunity again

454
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Speaker 2: because you've got statements under the oath that we're about

455
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Speaker 2: to get to from the prior proceedings. You do not

456
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Speaker 2: have to answer my questions. You can always plead the fifth.

457
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: Your testimony now is that the sonograms that I just

458
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: presented to you are not your correct.

459
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 3: The one sonogram was mine.

460
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: And it came from Mission Viejo. But Mission Vieho's not

461
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: gonna have any idea it was you because you did

462
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: it anonymously. But then you went back and you added

463
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Speaker 2: your name to it.

464
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Speaker 6: No, I didn't have my name to it. My name

465
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 6: was on it. I okay, changed the Smile thing. Your

466
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 6: name was on it, and I changed Smile. I hang

467
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Speaker 6: on for a second.

468
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Speaker 2: You just told me, Laura that you were anonymous at

469
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Speaker 2: Planned Parenthood.

470
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Speaker 3: But I changed Smile on there.

471
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Speaker 2: So when I get the subpoena where the records release

472
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Speaker 2: from Smile, this isn't going to be there because they

473
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: didn't do this test, correct, because you just put their

474
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: name on the test.

475
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: Correct.

476
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Speaker 2: Okay. This test, according to you, was originated in California. Correct,

477
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Speaker 2: And you went in there anonymously.

478
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 3: Correct?

479
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Speaker 6: And I yeah, I added my name in the in

480
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Speaker 6: the facility name.

481
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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're changing your testimony. So it's not just

482
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Speaker 2: that you You originally said you just changed and added

483
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: the word smile, but now under oath you're saying you

484
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: added your name to it too. Correct.

485
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: Correct.

486
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: Now she was admitting to another photoshopping edit she'd made

487
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: on the ultrasound.

488
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: When you submit records to a court, you understand that

489
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: you're signing a verification with them and that there's an

490
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Speaker 2: expectation of honesty.

491
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Speaker 3: Yes, and I don't believe this was ever submitted to Quirk.

492
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: Once Laura admitted to altering it, the damage was already done.

493
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Speaker 2: You understand what people may think you're lying about this

494
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 2: exhibit number nine, right, Yeah, let's move on.

495
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: Then the deposition turned to the big question what happened

496
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Speaker 1: to Laura's pregnancy? If you remember, she'd told the courts

497
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: into December filing that she was quote no longer pregnant.

498
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Speaker 1: Here's Isabelle Ranny would nix legal associate.

499
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Speaker 11: Okay, so does that mean she was never pregnant? Does

500
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Speaker 11: that mean she miscarried? Does that mean she had the baby,

501
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Speaker 11: and where's the fetal death certificate?

502
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Speaker 3: What does that mean?

503
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Speaker 1: Just a warning to listeners here, the Position is about

504
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: to go into graphic detail about Laura's alleged pregnancy loss.

505
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: In January, Laura submitted another filing with a single line

506
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Speaker 1: stating that she'd miscarried the pregnancy.

507
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Speaker 11: There's no other information given, but it just says she miscarried.

508
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: Wouldn't It had to press her on this because, as

509
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: we've said before, Laura had previously admitted under oath to

510
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: being twenty four weeks pregnant.

511
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Speaker 11: So if you're past twenty weeks, or if the fetus

512
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 11: is under a certain amount of grams, you do have

513
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Speaker 11: to file a fetal death certificate, and I believe you

514
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 11: have seven days to do that.

515
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Speaker 1: This was a huge inconsistency that Laura couldn't explain away.

516
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: If there were actually babies, it wouldn't be a miscarriage,

517
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: it would be a stillbirth, and legally there had to

518
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: be a paper trail like death certificates and presumably hospital records.

519
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: But instead of producing medical records, Laura came to the

520
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: deposition with a whole new timeline.

521
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to move you to exhibit number fifty six.

522
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: This is the mom doc records correct?

523
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 3: Correct?

524
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 2: And that was on November fourteenth? Yes, okay? What did

525
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: you find out on November fourteenth.

526
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: In this exhibit that I was no longer pregnant?

527
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: Okay? And you claim you had your miscarriage somewhere between

528
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: twenty and twenty three weeks correct.

529
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: I don't know quite when the miscarriage was.

530
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 2: Well, at some point your body discharged something if you

531
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: were actually pregnant, correct? Yes, when did that happen?

532
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 6: I was having spotting on and off throughout, which is

533
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Speaker 6: why I ended up going in.

534
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Speaker 2: The getting When was the flood level? When was the

535
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: first time you had spotting during your pregnancy?

536
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: I think it was August or September. I didn't an

537
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: online doctor's visit.

538
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: An online doctor's visit. Laura claimed that when she started

539
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: bleeding during her high risk twin pregnancy, she didn't go

540
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: in person to the hospital or a doctor's office. She

541
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: made a telehealth appointment and adopted a weight and see attitude.

542
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it wanted to know exactly what this online doctor

543
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: told her. Laura's answer was vague.

544
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: Would you tell him?

545
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 6: I told him I was having very light spotting, and

546
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 6: they said it probably was nothing to worry about.

547
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: And was this a gynecologist or was this some nurse

548
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: on call?

549
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: It was.

550
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 6: It was technically a gin ofcologist, but it was an online.

551
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: Doctor, okay. And he did not tell you to go

552
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: get an ultrasound and get checked.

553
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 6: He said if I was concerned, that I could, but

554
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 6: he thought it was probably fine as monitorrific all work.

555
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: So you obviously weren't concerned.

556
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 6: I didn't know what I wanted to do with the

557
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 6: pregnancy at that point.

558
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: Even if Laura was still processing her options regarding her

559
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: alleged pregnancy, it's difficult to see her overlook her own

560
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: well being during such a high risk moment.

561
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to turn your attention to the off of

562
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: the first page of Exhibit fifty six patient reports. She

563
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: passed two sacks which appeared to have a membrane, but

564
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: denies having much bleeding outside of that. When did you

565
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: pass sacks?

566
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: It was September or October?

567
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: Where were you? I was at home and you didn't

568
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: call nine one one.

569
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: I did not call nine one one?

570
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: Did you call your doctor?

571
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 3: I did do another online?

572
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: Who was that way first?

573
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: Was the same service? I just don't know their name.

574
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: You just said you passed two sacks in October or September.

575
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't remember exactly what it was.

576
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: Seems like that would be a very traumatic experience and

577
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: that you would remember the date.

578
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 6: It was a traumatic experience, but the when life was traumatic.

579
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 6: Class here for six months and I didn't leave the house.

580
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: It's a recurring theme. According to Laura, she was experiencing

581
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: a major medical emergency, but instead of rushing to the er,

582
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: she just hopped back online, and once again, the details

583
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: of who she actually talked to were blurry.

584
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: When it happened, did you think you were having a miscarriage?

585
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 6: I thought there was a very good chance I was

586
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 6: having a miscarriage.

587
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: And there is no medical record of that from any

588
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: Arizona based obstetrician.

589
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: Correct, not in person.

590
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: Where were you when this happened.

591
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: I was at my house when it happened.

592
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: Who was with you?

593
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: I called my mom over.

594
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: Did your mom see them? Yes? She did, okay, And

595
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: your mom was okay with you just calling a TELEDOC appointment.

596
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 6: I was not having heavy bleeding with it, and so

597
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 6: she said to see what they had to say. She

598
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 6: did want me to go to the emergency room originally,

599
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 6: and I was getting fresh up to.

600
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: Say that, and you didn't. Correct, I did not, And

601
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: you knew at that point that everyone was saying you

602
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: weren't pregnant.

603
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 6: Correct now, not everybody was saying that, because I was

604
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 6: told it could have been cloths that I passed. So

605
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 6: sheted pregnant for a long time after that.

606
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: So your testimony is two sacks came out of you

607
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: sometime in September or October. Correct. Correct, you don't know when, exactly.

608
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: Correct.

609
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: The only witness is your mom.

610
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, I'm my sister. I sent her photos at

611
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: the time, photos of what the sacks, which I feel

612
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: lead it.

613
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: Okay, No, I just said you sent Sarah pictures. Why

614
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: did you delete them? Because that would be evidence foliation.

615
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: Because it was extremely upsetting at the time.

616
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: Now you're telling me there was a photo who took

617
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: the photo of the sacks? I did with what I

618
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: phone and your iPhone?

619
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: Yes, And now.

620
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: You're claiming you don't have the same iPhone.

621
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 6: Well no, but I mean I I don't, but I

622
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 6: deleted it. It wouldn't have mattered. I deleted it immediately after.

623
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Speaker 2: And then you never followed up with a physician regarding

624
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: whatever that was. There's no subsequent ultrasound.

625
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: No I did not. I followed up in November.

626
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: During the deposition, Laura wouldn't provide a firm date of

627
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: her alleged pregnancy loss, and there are zero medical records

628
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: to back it up, at least not from a doctor

629
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: she saw in person.

630
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Speaker 2: This deposition has concluded. We are off the record at

631
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: eleven thirty four am.

632
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: Nearly three hours of deposition, and it was a total rollercoaster.

633
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: It was confusing and exhausting, and more than anything, it

634
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: was shocking to see how much Laura was willing to

635
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: say under oath. But if you think this was a lot,

636
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: just wait because in a few months there would be

637
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: a courtroom trial and Laura would change her story yet again.

638
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: Laura's deposition happened behind closed doors. It wasn't live streamed,

639
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: and no one online had access to the recording, but

640
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: the online community remained vigilant and glued to the story,

641
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: monitoring every digital footprint and collaborating in real time to

642
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: question her narrative.

643
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 13: One morning, I wake up. It was the morning of

644
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 13: December thirteenth, twenty twenty three, and I'm playing with my

645
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 13: son and I see that our Laura Owens has been

646
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 13: banned from Reddit, and I just thought, how how is

647
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 13: she able to just keep getting this stuff removed from

648
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 13: the Internet.

649
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: That's Schnitzel Ninja. She's the mom turned to internet detective

650
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: who is making public records available on her YouTube channel.

651
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 13: It was unbelievable to me, and it pissed me off.

652
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 13: And I was like, I don't even know how to

653
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 13: start a sub reddit, I don't know what it takes,

654
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 13: I have no idea, but I'm going to start one

655
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 13: because no one had started one yet that I could see.

656
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: She wasn't about to sit around and wait, so she

657
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: got to work making sure there was a public place

658
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: where everyone could get together and share what they were

659
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: digging up.

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Speaker 13: I was thinking about, what do you do for the name?

661
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 13: What the other one was?

662
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 12: Are Laura Owens?

663
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: So it's about her?

664
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Speaker 13: And I was thinking, this isn't about her. It's about,

665
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 13: in my opinion, the people that she's victimized. And the

666
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 13: person who brought this to the forefront was Clayton. And

667
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 13: I had heard Dave in a video say all we

668
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 13: need is justice for Clayton something like that, and I

669
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 13: was like, that's it. It's Justice for Clayton, that's the name.

670
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Speaker 1: With the Laura Owens subreddit gone, everyone was looking for

671
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: a new place to land. She gave them one, and

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Speaker 1: once Justice for Clayton was live, it only took a

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Speaker 1: minute for the whole crew to show up and pick

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Speaker 1: up exactly where they left off.

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Speaker 13: And this is the thing I tell everybody, this has

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Speaker 13: been such a group effort. I don't even know how

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Speaker 13: many people I could say have contributed in different ways.

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Speaker 13: The sabreddit has over six thousand members, but there have

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Speaker 13: been hundreds who have been involved, like getting documents, sharing things,

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Speaker 13: like helping uncover things, doing research online. Hundreds, hundreds and

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Speaker 13: hundreds of people.

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Speaker 1: One of those people was Megan Fox. And no not

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Speaker 1: the actress Megan Fox. This Megan is a journalist and

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Speaker 1: a podcaster on YouTube.

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Speaker 12: I got into Laura Owens because I saw what was

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Speaker 12: going on with Dave Neil and how an independent journalist

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Speaker 12: was being attacked for telling this story and I wanted

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Speaker 12: to help.

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Speaker 1: She initially didn't set out to cover the Clayton and

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Speaker 1: Laura saga. For Megan, the real story was what was

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Speaker 1: happening to another content creator. You've heard about Dave Neil.

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Speaker 12: Dave was being horrifically misused by this person who was

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Speaker 12: using the legal system as a weapon to get what

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Speaker 12: she wants, which is to silence her critics. She was

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Speaker 12: trying to get a protective order against Dave Neil for

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Speaker 12: just talking about this story that was very public that

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Speaker 12: she had gone to the media about.

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Speaker 1: Dave welcomed the support from Megan. He was navigating a

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Speaker 1: situation he never prepared for. He was sailing through uncharted waters.

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Speaker 1: Here's Dave Neil.

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Speaker 14: Megan was one of the first people that knew how

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Speaker 14: to deal with someone coming after you. She's been sued

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Speaker 14: in the past, and she really helped guide me.

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Speaker 1: Dave and Meghan became fast friends. They took to social media,

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Speaker 1: going live to analyze every shred of evidence they could find.

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Speaker 1: The timing was serendipitous because Clayton and Laura's trial was

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Speaker 1: set for June tenth, twenty twenty four. This would be

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Speaker 1: the trial where a judge would hear evidence on both

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Speaker 1: sides about Laura's alleged pregnancy. In advance of the big day,

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Speaker 1: a witness list was announced to the public. On the

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Speaker 1: list of Clayton's witnesses was Greg Gillespie, the man who

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Speaker 1: experienced something similar with Laura back in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: You heard his story in the last episode, and at

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Speaker 1: this point the Internet's Loose had Greg Gillespie's name on

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Speaker 1: their radar.

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Speaker 10: Two.

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Speaker 1: Luckily, Dave and Meghan had already been digging into past

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Speaker 1: evidence from Greg's case.

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Speaker 14: We were doing a live stream together where we were

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Speaker 14: looking through some of this information and we were taking

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Speaker 14: the evidence that Laura had used in putting it on

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Speaker 14: my computer where you can look at it on a

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Speaker 14: bigger screen.

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Speaker 12: He was doing this thing that he does where he

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Speaker 12: pulls up an image and he's just like, okay, let's

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Speaker 12: to zoom in, let's change the colors, let's put maybe

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Speaker 12: the contrast. And he's really good at photoshop.

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Speaker 1: They poured over evidence that on the surface seemed trivial,

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Speaker 1: but they operated on a hunch that the devil is

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Speaker 1: always in the details.

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Speaker 14: We noticed that this ultrasound image that she used to

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Speaker 14: claim she was pregnant with you wings with Greg Gillespie

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Speaker 14: had like sort of a circle mark on it, like

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Speaker 14: an orb.

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Speaker 1: The ultrasound looks pretty normal, but on the left side

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Speaker 1: they noticed what looks like a smudge It's small, but

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Speaker 1: not something you normally see on an ultrasound. They were

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Speaker 1: zooming in on it during a YouTube live stream. Thousands

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Speaker 1: of people were watching them analyze the ultrasound, and then

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Speaker 1: they caught something that would change the entire case. Here's

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Speaker 1: the audio from that live stream.

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Speaker 9: What are we seeing here?

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Speaker 2: What's this? H EVN? Is this a? Are you seeing this?

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Speaker 9: The hell's going on here?

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Speaker 10: What is that?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 10: Go back?

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Speaker 4: Never?

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Speaker 9: I never noticed it, and now I can't unsee it.

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Speaker 2: What the hell is that?

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Speaker 1: It looked edited in some way, but they couldn't figure

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Speaker 1: out how, so they started manipulating the image.

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Speaker 3: Here's Dave.

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Speaker 14: We expand into the image in a forensic tool where

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Speaker 14: you can sort of shift the colors and see if

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Speaker 14: anything pops out, and we start to see letters. It

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Speaker 14: felt like Greek. We don't know what we're looking at.

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Speaker 12: I go, well, it's a watermark.

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Speaker 3: That's a watermark.

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Speaker 12: He's like, it does it looks like letters?

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Speaker 6: What does it say? H ev is it n?

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Speaker 12: We're trying so hard. We're both looking at it, and

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Speaker 12: I'm not looking at the chat because I'm looking at

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Speaker 12: this image and I'm like, what is that? And I

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Speaker 12: happened to look at the chat for like a second,

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Speaker 12: and the chat is going off there like it says Fiber.

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Speaker 12: It says Fiver. I looked at it. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 12: oh my god, Dave, it says Fiver.

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Speaker 1: Fiver is an online marketplace where you can hire freelancers

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Speaker 1: to do pretty much any digital task you can think of.

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Speaker 1: The livestream chat was.

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Speaker 14: Blowing up, and soone goes, oh my gosh, we zoom

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Speaker 14: in further and we noticed that essentially there was a

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Speaker 14: Fiver logo fiv er r. And I grabbed that logo

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Speaker 14: off the internet. I looped it right over the image

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Speaker 14: and it fits dead on. It was the Fiver logo

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Speaker 14: on this ultrasound.

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Speaker 1: This was their reaction in the moment as they realized

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Speaker 1: what they'd stumbled upon.

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Speaker 3: It says Fiver.

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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, hold on, hold okay, hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 14: This is why you do it live.

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Speaker 1: The reality sunk in that they were looking at a

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Speaker 1: doctored ultrasound photoshopped by a hired freelancer on Fiver. Laura

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Speaker 1: had sent this ultrasound to Greg Gillespie in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 14: Oh my gosh, it's so apparent to see how.

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Speaker 12: The hell, oh my god, are we.

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Speaker 9: I am losing? Now, hold on a second, does the

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Speaker 9: original have this? Because now the original doesn't have.

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Speaker 1: The original was a sonogram that Greg had reverse image

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Speaker 1: searched and traced back to an unrelated twenty fifteen blog.

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Speaker 12: It fits like a glow of It's unbelievable. This is

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Speaker 12: the greatest programming in the history of YouTube. It was

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Speaker 12: like the smoking gun of the entire case discovered live.

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Speaker 12: This woman actually took someone's sonogram, went to fiver to

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Speaker 12: have them do something to it, but then couldn't pay

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Speaker 12: the money however much it was to get the watermark removed,

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Speaker 12: and she thought that was good enough to send to Greg.

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Speaker 1: The online detectives had found something that was news to

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Speaker 1: Clayton and his legal team. It got back to them quickly.

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Speaker 1: Woudnick was impressed by what people like Dave and Meghan

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Speaker 1: were able to uncover, and he credits the online detectives

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Speaker 1: as a major catalyst in how this case unfolded.

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Speaker 2: I'd see them calling the information with the community online

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Speaker 2: and it was dynamic. They've found information that I don't

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Speaker 2: think any private investigator could have found, and certainly if

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Speaker 2: they could have found it, it would have cost hundreds

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Speaker 2: and hundreds of thousands of dollars in resources to get there.

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Speaker 1: If Greg Gillespie was called to the stand during the

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Speaker 1: upcoming trial, he could now confirm that the sonogram of

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Speaker 1: twins sent to him by Laura was watermarked and altered

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Speaker 1: by a freelancer on fiber.

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Speaker 12: That has always been the thing that has blown my

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Speaker 12: mind in this case, is this sheer audacity of it.

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Speaker 12: I've never seen anything like it ever.

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Speaker 1: Heading into the June tenth trial, Woodeneck's team was feeling

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Speaker 1: pretty good. They had the evidence, the depositions were done,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, the case scened cut and dried. Laura had

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Speaker 1: admitted to altering medical records, her timeline was constantly shifting,

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Speaker 1: and she never provided medical documentation about what happened to

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Speaker 1: her pregnancy. Now I need you to think back to

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Speaker 1: the beginning of this story, the night when Clayton and

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Speaker 1: Laura hooked up. The exact details of what happened that

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Speaker 1: night are only known to two people, Clayton and Laura.

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Speaker 1: Since the beginning, they both stated that the hookup was consensual,

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Speaker 1: but Laura was about to reveal something in the upcoming

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Speaker 1: trial that no one saw coming.

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Speaker 2: Your testimony now nine months into this process, is that

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Speaker 2: Clayton had penetrative sex with you against your will Laura.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on the next episode of Love Trapped, Laura

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Speaker 1: and Clayton finally go to court.

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Speaker 3: Zoon As you recognize you've been accused of faking records

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Speaker 3: in this case, right, yes, and.

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Speaker 12: You expect the court to accept a picture of a

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Speaker 12: portion of an alleged record.

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Speaker 3: You guys got the results yourselves, So these are yes

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Speaker 3: or no questions.

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Speaker 2: That you're a public figure, You're the bachelor, that's why

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Speaker 2: everyone's watching today. Are you embarrassed to say who you've

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Speaker 2: had sex with? Clayton?

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Speaker 5: I think I'm the last person to about who I've

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Speaker 5: been intimate with.

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Speaker 2: Tracks.

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