Speaker 1: I didn't say, buy me a race horse. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it's one more thing. I'm strong and getty.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to a little artificial intelligence. And I
Speaker 2: am god as much as I read about it and
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by it. You'd think I would be a
Speaker 2: guy who is like paying for the premium chat GPT
Speaker 2: and using it and trying it out, But I'm not so.
Speaker 2: My first dipping the toe into AI has been what
Speaker 2: has showed up on my iPhone in the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks with their new AI. The summaries of the
Speaker 2: emails and texts.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: It's really quite amazing. So I get a long text
Speaker 2: from somebody and then just right there in the line,
Speaker 2: is you know, just a few word summary of it?
Speaker 3: Huge fan of it?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's I love it. It's amazing. And then last
Speaker 2: night I was I don't know if this always happens
Speaker 2: or I just noticed it. So I got a really
Speaker 2: long text from somebody about a complicated situation they're dealing with,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how I feel about this, AI
Speaker 2: suggested my reply. Oh, and I thought I'll come up
Speaker 2: with my own replies.
Speaker 1: If that's okay, How must you pull yourself up by
Speaker 1: your boat straps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was something like that.
Speaker 4: I had one the other day where I sent somewhat
Speaker 4: of a long message and a little thing popped up
Speaker 4: that said, would you like to correct your grammar?
Speaker 2: Like, no, don't tell me. I don't minding a book.
Speaker 2: I don't mind hints on that. But this was like
Speaker 2: a what take I should have on someone's problem? As
Speaker 2: I replied to them, and I thought, that's that's not
Speaker 2: your stay in your lane. AI.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's bold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought. I'll be damned well.
Speaker 1: I mean if if you described to me, Hey, if
Speaker 1: it was crazy. A friend of mine called me last
Speaker 1: night and said this, and I jumped in with, well,
Speaker 1: you should tell him that he needs to you'd be like, dude, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you about it. I didn't ask you
Speaker 1: to like take it over.
Speaker 2: Right, And but so that on the other end of it,
Speaker 2: what you've gotta be ready for is you could send
Speaker 2: some long heartfelt text to somebody about a breakup or
Speaker 2: something problem you're having with a job, and the reply
Speaker 2: you get might be your lazy buddy just hit the suggestion.
Speaker 2: I think you gotta look for a new job, probably
Speaker 2: not gonna work out there or whatever.
Speaker 1: AI says, other fish in the sea, and then.
Speaker 4: They come back to you. Hey, Mike, thanks so much
Speaker 4: for that advice.
Speaker 2: You're a real pal. You're always in a year I
Speaker 2: can lean on. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm starting to play with it a little bit
Speaker 1: and enjoying it. I'll tell you this, friends, and this
Speaker 1: is big fun if you go into image playground now on.
Speaker 1: In messages, Jack doesn't use emojis because he lacks.
Speaker 2: The capacity for joy, but yet to send my first emoji.
Speaker 1: So, but you can now create AI images of yourself
Speaker 1: in various moods and situations and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And they are as my buddy Brian says, they're they're
Speaker 1: quite realistic, they make you thirty percent better looking than
Speaker 1: you are, cool, they're very amusing, and they will guaranteed
Speaker 1: creep out your spouse or partner. Yes, it's there seems
Speaker 1: to be one hundred percent correlation between sending it to
Speaker 1: your loved one and then being creeped out by it,
Speaker 1: which is hard to describe why exactly. Maybe it's that
Speaker 1: what's the It's not Okham's rais or the Infinite Valley
Speaker 1: or the Uncanny Valley.
Speaker 3: Uncanny Valley.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something that is almost right is disturbing to us
Speaker 1: as humans for some reason.
Speaker 3: This isn't almost almost right.
Speaker 4: But the next step up in the playground is you
Speaker 4: can make use that same technology and turn yourself into
Speaker 4: an emoji that you can attach to texts. I just
Speaker 4: sent you the one that it created of me. I
Speaker 4: sent I put in a picture of myself and said
Speaker 4: talking into a microphone. Yeah, so now I can throw
Speaker 4: that little chick into texts. Oh, but it's it's problematic.
Speaker 4: How much fun this this new AI is on these phones?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, here, stand by Jack. This is a very odd,
Speaker 1: very odd here's uh, here's roughly what I sent yesterday.
Speaker 4: Okay that and it's amazing how fast it does it too,
Speaker 4: when you put the photo or whatever information in you need.
Speaker 3: It's it's a matter of seconds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, go sending it to the group. Dig
Speaker 1: this this is the and birthdepw Wow, how do you
Speaker 1: do this? Guys? Where do you find this sent image playground?
Speaker 2: It does make you thir weirder, looking better because it's weird.
Speaker 1: Better looking, But it's it's all putting to Judy.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that I'm not hitting on you, but
Speaker 2: you're better looking than that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's a weirder teeth than that, for sure.
Speaker 2: Teeth. That guy could use some white ners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mix it a little fluoride. Oh my god, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got I got like summer teeth. Like it's like,
Speaker 1: is this did I accidentally say and make me British?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: There should be a piece of hay tucked in between
Speaker 4: those two front ones right there.
Speaker 2: Or make me homeless room and they still got a
Speaker 2: few bugs to work out. I was messing with it
Speaker 2: a little bit the other day when it first landed
Speaker 2: on my phone, and I just did a I just
Speaker 2: voice texted a I want to bear in a cowboy hat,
Speaker 2: and it had and he gave me a baron a
Speaker 2: cowboy hat and then dancing, and then it was a
Speaker 2: baron a cowboy hat dancing, and just I tell it.
Speaker 1: I want my wife and a cowboy hat.
Speaker 2: I've seen plenty of that stuff. Yeah, you can do
Speaker 2: that all day long, do it, but it's just it's amazing.
Speaker 2: And if I would have loved that so much as
Speaker 2: a kid, oh my god, it would have blown my mind.
Speaker 3: So for everybody wondering and Michael, I know you just asked.
Speaker 4: If you go to your settings on your iPhone and
Speaker 4: scroll down, it says Apple Intelligence and Siri, and you
Speaker 4: have to turn that on.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 4: I'll go through a download and upgrade process. But then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, playground and whatnot will appe.
Speaker 1: And it's the little plus sign next to the field
Speaker 1: where you write a text where you can add photographs
Speaker 1: or whatever picture you have to.
Speaker 5: Have the newest iPhone or fifteen and up. Okay, good,
Speaker 5: I do got fifteen now, so all right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyway, isn't it oddly off putting?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to fill out figure out how you prompt
Speaker 2: it to give you the AI suggestion. It looks like
Speaker 2: it has to be a recent text you got, but
Speaker 2: I but I got one today, like somebody texted me
Speaker 2: something and AI says I should reply with I get that.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't need your help on that.
Speaker 1: All right, let me see if it will it work
Speaker 1: in a group text.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just noticed it last night, and
Speaker 2: the one it gave me last night was on this
Speaker 2: really complicated friend of mine's life situation, and it said
Speaker 2: it gave me some suggestions and I thought, this is
Speaker 2: really not appropriate. Everybody's typing in their phone. I know,
Speaker 2: I got a dance a cowboy hat, and I like,
Speaker 2: how if you say a lot like my wife, if
Speaker 2: you want a dancing bear in a cowboy hat, it'll
Speaker 2: give you like five versions, fat bear, thin bear, cowboy
Speaker 2: hat and vest in boots or cowboy hat and just
Speaker 2: you know, a six gun or whatever.
Speaker 4: I for some reason asked it to make a pickle
Speaker 4: working out. So I have a pickle that's lifting a
Speaker 4: bar bell.
Speaker 3: There you go, that's a fun one.
Speaker 2: Makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let me send you this Jack and see
Speaker 1: what it summarizes and whether it suggests a boy a reply?
Speaker 1: What Jack read? That's real quick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not suggesting a reply. And I don't
Speaker 2: know why. I don't know why it sometimes doesn't sometimes doesn't.
Speaker 1: Did it have a summary or was it too short
Speaker 1: to need it?
Speaker 2: I think it's too sure.
Speaker 1: I wrote you were an idiot and held me back
Speaker 1: my entire career. I quit, lose my number.
Speaker 2: Lose my number. That pretty funny.
Speaker 1: So the whole I didn't tell you to buy me
Speaker 1: a racehorse introduction was about going into Jeff Fowler's column
Speaker 1: in the Washington Post recently great tech writer, but he
Speaker 1: was trying to assess the capability of AI at this point,
Speaker 1: using a couple of different systems, and he had He
Speaker 1: gave it a couple of missions. One was fairly successful.
Speaker 1: He tested Operator, which is what company is that from?
Speaker 1: I can't remember, it doesn't matter, Google it. But he
Speaker 1: tasked Operator with interacting with my internet service provider, go
Speaker 1: into my Comcast Xfinity account and see if you can
Speaker 1: find me a less expensive plan. Operator applied, all right,
Speaker 1: but thirty seconds later it stopped. It needed my log
Speaker 1: into the Exfinity website. The problem is Operator didn't know
Speaker 1: much about the nitty gritty details of your life, but
Speaker 1: it needs your data to actually be helpful, so it
Speaker 1: often pauses and asks for help, and it tries to
Speaker 1: shield your privacy, which also means that often it stops
Speaker 1: and says, hey, can I use this or can you
Speaker 1: give me this whatever? But then this is where I
Speaker 1: got more interesting. Once Operator was logged onto my Comcast account,
Speaker 1: it took about two minutes to do something incredible. It
Speaker 1: found a way to save me money, well sort of,
Speaker 1: it said, it found an alternate internet plan for thirteen
Speaker 1: dollars per month. That seemed awfully low because I currently
Speaker 1: pay sixty eight.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I think Lend's like eighty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I inspected it's browser window and saw a
Speaker 1: Comcast was really saying this plan would be minus thirteen
Speaker 1: dollars compared to my current plan, not thirteen dollars. Okay,
Speaker 1: it missed the minus sign. Another big question is whether
Speaker 1: AI can. About AI is whether it can understand enough
Speaker 1: about the real world or even just the web to
Speaker 1: operate in it. Repeatedly in my tests, I saw that
Speaker 1: operator could misinterpret what it saw in its browser. Now
Speaker 1: this part it is interesting. In this case, Operator redeemed
Speaker 1: itself after I asked it to spell out the full prices,
Speaker 1: including taxes and fees. It gave the right total and
Speaker 1: did one better. It read all the fine print and
Speaker 1: found that this deal would go up by sixteen dollars
Speaker 1: after an introductory period, making it a bad deal.
Speaker 2: That is helpful.
Speaker 4: I didn't even think about having AI read the you know,
Speaker 4: the terms and.
Speaker 2: Condition summarize the ten pages where it's going to watch
Speaker 2: every keystroke or whatever it says.
Speaker 1: Right, and at this point it might miss the salient points,
Speaker 1: the really important stuff. But the fact that it's moving
Speaker 1: in that direction. Hey, read this legal lease and tell
Speaker 1: me the parts I need to know would be super helpful, obviously,
Speaker 1: But then the failure that was a success, he said.
Speaker 1: The failure was he said, find the cheapest set of
Speaker 1: a dozen eggs I can have delivered. Then I gave
Speaker 1: it my address to conduct its search. It needed my
Speaker 1: logins for grocery delivery services. Blah blah blah. I didn't
Speaker 1: think about it at the moment, but doing so also
Speaker 1: gave Operator access to the credit cards I'd saved with
Speaker 1: those services.
Speaker 2: About to say, I'm not willing to give aim at
Speaker 2: credit card and see, I wonder how it does with this.
Speaker 1: Initially, Operator found some five ninety nine a dozen eggs
Speaker 1: on a site called Mercado, but noticed there was a
Speaker 1: twenty dollars minimum order requirement. Good job told I told
Speaker 1: it that it could add additional eggs to check the
Speaker 1: final price, but it decided to switch it's onto Instacart.
Speaker 1: Then Operator went quiet as it clicked around, and I
Speaker 1: walked away from my computer. A few minutes later, I
Speaker 1: got an alert from the credit card app on my phone.
Speaker 1: I had just made a purchase on Instacart. What happened?
Speaker 1: How do I stop it? I gasped, Was there any
Speaker 1: chance the AI might go on a bigger shopping spree?
Speaker 1: I hadn't told it to buy eggs, just find cheap ones.
Speaker 1: I was able to reconstruct some of what had happened.
Speaker 1: On the instacart website. Operator found a dozen large white
Speaker 1: eggs for thirteen dollars and nineteen cents, more than double
Speaker 1: the other site. For unclear reasons, it purchased these, added
Speaker 1: a three dollar tip and a three dollars priority fee
Speaker 1: on top of a seven dollars and ninety nine seven
Speaker 1: ninety nine delivery fee, four dollars service pee fee, and
Speaker 1: twenty five cent bag fee. Thankfully, at least operator climbed
Speaker 1: and offered to sign up for an Instacart membership blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, And they got the wrong number on that actually,
Speaker 1: and it cost him thirty three dollars I think it
Speaker 1: was for his eggs. Thirty one dollars on a dozen eggs.
Speaker 2: That's pretty interesting that it didn't do that and then
Speaker 2: say would you like to purchase it just went ahead
Speaker 2: and purchased them.
Speaker 4: And then you have to call the credit card company
Speaker 4: and say sorry, that was AI that did that.
Speaker 3: It wasn't me forgery.
Speaker 1: You make some omelets?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I called the credit card company, said I can't
Speaker 2: eat this many eggs? What should I do?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, So who did Jack? Did you do that? You?
Speaker 3: I did Jack?
Speaker 1: Oh? Oh my gosh. Have you looked at that yet? No,
Speaker 1: don't worry. It doesn't totally make you look like a rube.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god, that is that's not
Speaker 2: thirty I hope that's not thirty percent better looking. I'll
Speaker 2: just I'll just make that my my dating profile if
Speaker 2: I ever go online.
Speaker 6: Here you go, Oh my god, that's brutal. Oh my god,
Speaker 6: my kids are going to you said, so you got
Speaker 6: to plunk out this theme from Deliverance on your jet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's supposed to be a picture of me. It
Speaker 5: didn't quite come out right at all.
Speaker 2: A second, how come you get to look like that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 5: All I put was dark hair, five foot seven, and
Speaker 5: it said, you know, gifts it and I put leather pants.
Speaker 2: Why does AI make you look like that? But makes
Speaker 2: me look like this?
Speaker 4: Michael gave a description of himself. I actually put a
Speaker 4: picture of you in there, and it pulled from a photo.
Speaker 2: No, Michael looks like you know, Timothy Shallomet at his best,
Speaker 2: I mean, hot, angrogynous model type. I look like somebody
Speaker 2: you would run from or donate to. Right, I was
Speaker 2: old it, this is crazy angry look. I gotta send
Speaker 2: that to a few people and see how they react.
Speaker 1: You know what, It's funny. I gave it a clearly angry,
Speaker 1: disapproving look, and it at most it made me look
Speaker 1: oddly manic, But the rest are pleasantly contemplative. It's like
Speaker 1: Apple won't let me be angry, just it.
Speaker 3: Doesn't want you to be likes happy Joe.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna spend more time paying attention to
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm going to spend more time paying
Speaker 2: attention to the suggested replies to text me now that
Speaker 2: I'm getting them, because I went to one last night
Speaker 2: my son. I texted him something and he said, it's
Speaker 2: really late. I'm getting ready to go to bed. And
Speaker 2: then AI suggested I say okay, good night, which is
Speaker 2: you know, reasonable, I guess just to avoid having to
Speaker 2: type it out or say it.
Speaker 1: You know, I tell you what though, you use any
Speaker 1: keyboard shortcuts?
Speaker 2: No, I'm familiar with the term, but I don't use them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, for partly for when I'm forwarding articles
Speaker 1: to myself at mailbag at Armstrong and geddy dot com.
Speaker 1: It's so cumbersome to type out and if it doesn't autofill,
Speaker 1: I just do the first five letters and it autofills
Speaker 1: for me, no matter what, whether the site's working properly
Speaker 1: or not. And actually there's a funny story connected to this.
Speaker 1: My son discovered this years ago. You could do that,
Speaker 1: and for whatever angsty teenage reason at the time or
Speaker 1: very early twenties, he thought it was just so dumb
Speaker 1: and cliched when people would text lol, And so he
Speaker 1: and we shared an Apple account in a way that
Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore. But so I would type lol. I
Speaker 1: remember talking about this on the air, and it would
Speaker 1: instead of that, it would auto fill a phrase that was,
Speaker 1: why don't you blank my face because I'm a blanking blank.
Speaker 3: Okay, I remember this feature?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's hilarious. Oh it was, And I typed
Speaker 1: that and I'm like, what the f Wait a minute, honey, honey.
Speaker 1: I went to gudy and look what my phone just did.
Speaker 1: What the hell is this? Oh that's brilliant, And it
Speaker 1: was an unrepeatable phrase.
Speaker 4: I have to turn that off on my phone, I
Speaker 4: think for a couple of reasons. Because I tried to
Speaker 4: say I was d D the other night to a
Speaker 4: friend because I was designated driver, and for some reason,
Speaker 4: my phone thinks d D means sorry, I'm driving, I'll
Speaker 4: text you later, and it wouldn't let me just say
Speaker 4: d D. So yeah, it's a little a little frustrating.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but anyway, I'm sorry. To get back
Speaker 1: to Jack's point. Judy, who is my wife, who's a
Speaker 1: very busy person and does various things around town, musical
Speaker 1: things and craft things and whatever. She always texts me
Speaker 1: when she's on her way home, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: usually it's always on my way exclamation point, and you know,
Speaker 1: I reply with a hard or whatever, a great scene,
Speaker 1: a few or whatever. But she revealed that she has
Speaker 1: programmed her phone so all she has to do is
Speaker 1: do like O and space M and it finishes the
Speaker 1: message for her. So she's not actually typing out on
Speaker 1: my way exclamation point, her phone is doing it for her.
Speaker 1: And I find myself resenting that just a little bit.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. That's what I was wondering about. These replies.
Speaker 2: I don't have any problem with saying to my son
Speaker 2: good night, obviously, but the computer suggesting it and me
Speaker 2: just agreeing to it.
Speaker 1: Having the computer wish your son good night on your
Speaker 1: behalf certain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems a little weird.
Speaker 1: Does seem a little Victorian. The nanny interacts with the
Speaker 1: child ninety eight percent of the time, and on Sundays
Speaker 1: I will go for a walk with the boy and
Speaker 1: then send it back to boarding. It just seems a
Speaker 1: little why is there a little man.
Speaker 2: Here to right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And the example I had of somebody sending me a
Speaker 2: long heartfelt text about something I never remembered it was
Speaker 2: last night, and then the AI suggesting a reply, I
Speaker 2: thought that would be really cheapening the seriousness of this conversation.
Speaker 2: Not that they would know, but it's.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's something that you're already going
Speaker 4: to say and the phone assists you, like how Judy
Speaker 4: does the on M and it says on my way,
Speaker 4: I mean she was already going to type that you
Speaker 4: Jack were already going to say good night.
Speaker 2: It's not like But the other example I have it
Speaker 2: was something like, I think you're on the right track.
Speaker 2: I hope that works out for you after a really
Speaker 2: long heartfelt text about some difficult situation. And that's just
Speaker 2: that ain't right.
Speaker 1: That that ain't right. So final note that last picture
Speaker 1: I sent you. I wish I could send the original picture,
Speaker 1: but I can't figure out that was me like angrily
Speaker 1: grimacing at the phone, and Apple turned it into a
Speaker 1: you know, cheer alert picture.
Speaker 4: I think it's very Stepford wives. First of all, this
Speaker 4: aged you for some reason. I don't know why I
Speaker 4: did that.
Speaker 3: This photo. Hell no, you're not.
Speaker 4: But the second part of it is in that prompt
Speaker 4: you can tell it the mood you want the photo
Speaker 4: to be in. So m so you can grimace and
Speaker 4: then tell Apple, hey, make me look like I'm like
Speaker 4: I'm pissed, and it should do it for you.
Speaker 1: And then you can add cowboy and whatever else a
Speaker 1: series of prompts for it to.
Speaker 2: But one thing Apple needs to figure out what these
Speaker 2: made up emojis of you is. They don't flossing is exists.
Speaker 2: Flossing exists, toothpaste exists. Let's teeth, Yeah, the teeth are bad.
Speaker 2: What is going on there?
Speaker 1: It's sounds like like I got newscaster teeth or anything.
Speaker 2: But they're okay, but they're not brown with those big
Speaker 2: gaps in between. I mean, what the heck is going
Speaker 2: on there?
Speaker 1: All right, one more one more effort? Make Apple make
Speaker 1: me look angry? Right, there's my grimacing. I'm even got
Speaker 1: like one eye closed like I'm Popeye and then angry.
Speaker 1: Will Tim Cook permit me to feel natural human emotions
Speaker 1: are not? Oh hey, that's pretty good. Wow, that's like
Speaker 1: call security. Okay, Tim, I retract the criticism. I just
Speaker 1: wasn't good at it.
Speaker 5: That's a good one, Katie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that actually looks like you. Katie. What was the
Speaker 2: prompt that got a cartoon drawing of you that actually
Speaker 2: looks like you? I just a picture of it, used
Speaker 2: a photo of you?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well you have the advantage of being super cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes it easier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys, it's two weeks, Joe.
Speaker 1: This last one of you is great. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: you know you live with me. You're gonna see that face.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use it. What I'll tweet that right now
Speaker 1: our ex account so you can see it.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna use AI to win arguments with my wife.
Speaker 5: I'll just look at it and wait for the response,
Speaker 5: and this is what I'll tell her exactly.
Speaker 1: You take over here. Yeah, well, I guess that's it.