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Speaker 1: Welcome back to unplugged. Forgive us we missed you guys.

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Speaker 1: Last week All Star was All Star was All Star.

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Speaker 1: But we're back this week with excited, with an exciting show.

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Speaker 1: PK Sue Band stop by to discuss his comments about

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Speaker 1: the NBA and the NHL. They ruffled some feathers but

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Speaker 1: also got a lot of praise for. We also have

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Speaker 1: Keenan Duley stopping by to talk NBA, and one of

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Speaker 1: my favorites, Rachel Nichols is here to discuss all things basketball.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I want to welcome to the show. PK Sue Ban

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Speaker 1: Sue Band, Sue Band, Sue Band. Yeah, and I just

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Speaker 1: said perfectly. PK Sue Band, thirteen year NHL VET was

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Speaker 1: out here recently for the LA Strong charity game to

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Speaker 1: support the firefighters.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate that. How was that game?

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Speaker 3: It was awesome?

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Speaker 4: Best hot, best fraternity in sports in my opinions, hockey

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Speaker 4: because when we do those things, we come strong and

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Speaker 4: everybody showed out.

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Speaker 3: We have people flying in from all over.

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Speaker 1: I saw someone took you down though, Oh yeah, what happened?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know hockey, Matt looks when you put the

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Speaker 4: gear on, you step on the ice, you gotta be

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Speaker 4: ready to go, so I did. I didn't have my

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Speaker 4: fighting strap on, and I didn't pack a big enough

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Speaker 4: lunch his kids. The best part about that whole thing

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Speaker 4: was in the locker room after his kids came up

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Speaker 4: to me and they're like, ah, my dad beat you up.

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Speaker 4: So that was pretty funny to see the kids enjoying

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Speaker 4: it and celebrating it. But there were a couple of fights,

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Speaker 4: but everybody good cause love to come out and support

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Speaker 4: LA and be there. So if I got to take

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Speaker 4: a beating for the team, I'll take one.

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Speaker 1: Four nations tournament, huge win for the NHL. And like

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Speaker 1: most All Star events, it you know all. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the NFL doesn't even do that. They do Skills Challenge

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Speaker 1: now and obviously we'll get to what the NBA's All

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Speaker 1: Star event is. But you guys transitioned into this four

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Speaker 1: nation tournament and had a lot of success.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, going into it, nobody really knew what

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Speaker 4: to expect. It was something new, you know. Obviously with

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Speaker 4: just four nations, I mean, anything can happen. Right, Let's

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Speaker 4: say the final, I mean it could have been Sweden

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Speaker 3: What would that have done for our ratings.

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Speaker 4: But the hockey was so great that even the games

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Speaker 4: that you know, people weren't talking about were games.

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Speaker 3: And people ended up talking about.

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Speaker 4: So I think that it was set up for success

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Speaker 4: and to me, where the league was going into that

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Speaker 4: we were prepared to take that step. And I don't

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Speaker 4: think that we were before. I think we were getting

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Speaker 4: there and you could see it happening and evolving. I

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Speaker 4: think players, you know, we have all these different podcasts

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Speaker 4: think people are starting to feel comfortable just being themselves

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Speaker 4: and showing who they are. And for us, we know

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Speaker 4: who we are as a sport, but we have to

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Speaker 4: show the world that. And you know, ultimately it's great

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Speaker 4: internally in your circle, in your world of sports right

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Speaker 4: to bring people into our game. We need to share

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Speaker 4: our game. That's the best part about playing the game

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Speaker 4: and loving the game is being able to share it

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Speaker 3: And you know this with sports.

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Speaker 4: You know, look at the LA Strong Because of hockey,

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Speaker 4: we're able to support a great cause like that. So

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Speaker 4: it is bigger than just what happens on the ice,

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Speaker 4: and our players understand that. So going into Four Nations,

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Speaker 4: sport exposure. What happened at Four Nations was on the

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Speaker 4: backs of the players and they they stepped up in

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Speaker 4: Team Canada they did their thing, They did their thing,

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Speaker 4: but you look at Team USA, Brady Kuchuk, Matthew Kachuck,

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Speaker 4: Team USA, all that they did that tournament to promote

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Speaker 4: the game. Forget everything else, Forget what was on the ice,

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Speaker 4: the interviews, giving the time, you know, not just being

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Speaker 4: no giving us real answers, feeding into it, understanding the

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Speaker 4: event and what we're trying to do. And you got

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Speaker 4: to remember, this is sports, but it's entertainment and you

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Speaker 4: know that's a part of it too, and our players

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Speaker 4: understood that and they executed it to a t. You know,

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Speaker 4: people talk about the fighting being staged. You can't stage

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Speaker 4: what you need to see blood to understand that it

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Speaker 4: is real. I'm telling you it's real. The players took

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Speaker 4: it upon themselves to say, not only do we want

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Speaker 4: that was the de facto for us at four Nations

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Speaker 4: and why it was a home run. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: There's no mystery. The NBA has been trying to find

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Speaker 1: a solution for All Star, which leads me to our

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Speaker 1: you know the next part. You know, you spoke on it,

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Speaker 1: and you spoke from a perspective of a lot of fans,

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Speaker 1: just the frustration with the lack of effort. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a look at what you said.

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Speaker 3: Can you see it?

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Speaker 4: It's because it's not just based on the skill and talent,

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Speaker 4: it's based on the pride, honor playing.

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Speaker 3: For the guy next to you.

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Speaker 4: I got a question for the NBA players, what the

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Speaker 4: hell are you playing? What are you playing for? It's

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Speaker 4: not about the money you make all the money. What

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Speaker 4: you're injured? Well, there's a difference between being hurt and injured.

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Speaker 4: Are you hurt or are you injured? There's a difference.

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Speaker 3: In hockey. We play hurt, we play injured.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I didn't get a chance to see the Four

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Speaker 1: how well it went, I mean there was a pride,

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Speaker 1: out to be some great hockey. The NBA has been

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Speaker 1: just kind of your thinking. Obviously, again, hockey kind of

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Speaker 2: Maybe the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Is it a transition for the NBA to do us

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Speaker 1: And another thing you said is just like when certain

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Speaker 1: So what kind of what kind of standpoint were you

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Speaker 4: I did speak on behalf of the fans, but I

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Speaker 4: think I also spoke to some players too, and not

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Speaker 4: I don't like that, or hey, I wish this was

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Speaker 4: still the same? Why is that changing all that stuff?

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Speaker 4: And you know, that's the feedback that I've gotten back

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of guys who didn't make a million

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Speaker 3: That had to go and find jobs after playing.

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Speaker 4: But you want to know something, those guys played banged up,

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Speaker 4: they played hurt, they played injured, they fought, They gave

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Speaker 4: to make the money that I made in the National

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Speaker 4: a TV deal. So what I'm saying is you cannot forget.

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Speaker 3: But Matt, you know this. You play with superstars.

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Speaker 4: You played against them, right, you see them.

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Speaker 3: That is a small percentage of the sport. Are the stars?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You know, people forget about the rest of the league, like,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of other guys out there, and we

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Speaker 4: part of that greatness conversation, that's how I'm evaluating you.

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Speaker 4: Are you moving the needle for the game or you're

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Speaker 4: for you, we'll celebrate you as a great player.

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Speaker 3: We'll say, hey, you're a great player, awesome, you know,

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Speaker 4: But to put you in that category of a Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 4: I didn't follow them just because of their rings. I

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Speaker 4: That is I take. I celebrate that more than anything

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Speaker 3: A bad balance or bat.

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Speaker 4: I will celebrate them as a champion because that's what

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Speaker 4: Because ultimately, that is the best part of your legacy.

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Speaker 4: That is what people will remember about you, more than your.

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Speaker 3: Championships and your rings.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree, I think that's been a that's been

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Speaker 2: an issue with the league. What did we discuss.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously all stars kind of all stars a

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Speaker 1: whole different thing. I think just the amount of money

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Speaker 1: and just people who love the game, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Obviously, the NBA needed to do something too,

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Speaker 1: David Stern's vision of being able to promote superstars within

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Speaker 1: a team game, and I think that's what's grown the

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Speaker 1: there's so much money injected into it and there's so

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Speaker 1: much science behind the game that this rest stuff rubs

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Speaker 1: a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: The wrong way.

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Speaker 1: Whether you played or not. You know, you're getting paid

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Speaker 1: a ton of money. It cost our family a ton

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Speaker 1: of money to come see you, and we may only

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Speaker 1: time our lives, and the one time we go, the

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Speaker 1: best players isn't playing because of load management or just

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Speaker 4: Well once again, so let's go back to the playing part.

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Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is you're off season training to

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Speaker 3: You need to be if you are making two one.

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Speaker 4: So to me, I think that the culture of sports

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Speaker 3: Just because you're playing basket. It's a contact sport.

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Speaker 1: One thing I will say that hurts the NBA a lot,

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Speaker 4: We have to do right by the So now people

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Speaker 4: to TV Garden for Kobe's last game to meet him,

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Speaker 4: to see him with ice bags on his knees and

438
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Speaker 4: surround it, and meet Vanessa and meet his kids and

439
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Speaker 4: get his numb or in text with them during the

440
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Speaker 4: Stanley Cup finals and have that relationship.

441
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Speaker 3: I was hungry for that. Not to say, Kobe, can

442
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Speaker 3: I get you sneakers?

443
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Speaker 1: No.

444
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Speaker 4: I wanted what he could offer to me to make

445
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Speaker 4: me a better player, a better athlete. And I think

446
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Speaker 4: that that's what I'm talking about with all of this stuff,

447
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 4: is our athletes that are coming in. What is your mentality,

448
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 4: who are you following? What are you doing it for?

449
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Speaker 4: And we got to ask those questions too, because I'm

450
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Speaker 4: telling you to invest in someone, no matter how talented

451
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Speaker 4: they are, if they don't have those intangibles and you're

452
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Speaker 4: trying to win a championship, it ain't gonna work. So

453
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Speaker 4: you know, we're trying to win a championship, you're trying

454
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Speaker 4: to build the league, you're trying to grow the league.

455
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Speaker 4: Those intangibles are important for me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we can talk about this all day,

457
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Speaker 1: but before we get you out of here, we discussed

458
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Speaker 1: off camera, just the newer commissioner or new Garyman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he's Gary's been doing this over thirty years now,

460
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Speaker 4: forgive me.

461
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but very close.

462
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Speaker 1: David Stern was, wait, that's what you're talking about? That

463
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Speaker 1: The point I was trying to get to was kind

464
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Speaker 1: of of being able to you said, what's helped the

465
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Speaker 1: game if you're an ultimate team type of guy, is

466
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Speaker 1: hockey is an ultimate team type of sport. But what

467
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Speaker 1: has held the game back is the same thing. And

468
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Speaker 1: I told you know what, David Stern vision his ability

469
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Speaker 1: to promote stars within a team game. And you feel

470
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Speaker 1: like Beckman is on the way to starting to do

471
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Speaker 1: that more because one thing I heard when KG kind

472
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Speaker 1: of responded to what you said, and what I kind

473
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Speaker 1: of got from what he said is just like, you know,

474
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Speaker 1: there's a part of what he said was you guys

475
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Speaker 1: don't appeal to the majority of our culture at all.

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Speaker 1: And you're right, And I said, and I told you before,

477
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Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate hockey till I got a chance to

478
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Speaker 1: go to the Stanley Cup finals when the King's playing

479
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Speaker 1: and I saw it live off the puck action all

480
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Speaker 1: the kind of completely changed my point of view. But

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Speaker 1: for the people who aren't fortunate enough to do that,

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Speaker 1: what do you think your league can do to promote

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Speaker 1: to our communities and our culture.

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Speaker 4: That's a great question. So the first thing is this.

485
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Speaker 4: You know, when I retired, you know, I said to myself,

486
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Speaker 4: what can I do? What can I do to give back?

487
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Speaker 4: And really why I stepped on TV was to do that,

488
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Speaker 4: you know, was to be a part of helping the

489
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Speaker 4: game grow to a certain extent. You're right, So part

490
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Speaker 4: of the game not growing has been that team aspect

491
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Speaker 4: of it. Team first, and our core hockey fans they're

492
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Speaker 4: the most loyal fans, right, They're loyal to that. But

493
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Speaker 4: to get new fans in it's got to be personalized

494
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Speaker 4: because these young kids coming up, they don't know about

495
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Speaker 4: the one hundred year history of the Montreal Canadians. You know,

496
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Speaker 4: they understand Original six, but they don't understand the Rangers

497
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Speaker 4: and the Montreal that have been around for one hundred years.

498
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Speaker 4: They're only going to see our Temmy panerin. They're going

499
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Speaker 4: to see Connor McDavid. Those are the players that people

500
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Speaker 4: are coming to watch now. So you got to sell

501
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Speaker 4: it to them that how do we apply to different demographics. Well,

502
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Speaker 4: it's this You've got to cross over. It's doing different

503
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Speaker 4: things to bring people in. It starts with grassroots in

504
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Speaker 4: the community. If you're in Chicago, are you just the

505
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Speaker 4: Chicago Blackhawks or are you present in the community. And

506
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm co chair on the p C. There's

507
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Speaker 4: a lot of grassroots programs now that we do. I

508
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Speaker 4: remember I was a part of a program in Toronto

509
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Speaker 4: called Hockey Hyundai Helpers Program and we used to donate

510
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Speaker 4: equipment and do all those things. The biggest divide is

511
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Speaker 4: the money. It is the money that is the biggest thing.

512
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Speaker 4: It's not about our sport. It's not about it being racist,

513
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Speaker 4: it's not about it being white. It ain't that like I.

514
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Speaker 3: Played in it.

515
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Speaker 4: Of course, you're gonna face those things in every walk

516
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Speaker 4: of life. So anybody thinking you're just gonna see it

517
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Speaker 4: in hockey is.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, you know.

519
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Speaker 4: So for me, it's the money that is the biggest variable.

520
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Speaker 4: And you know, we're doing things. There's a lot of

521
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Speaker 4: things in our sport now to create opportunities for kids

522
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Speaker 4: to get equipment and play.

523
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Speaker 3: And I'm an advocate for that.

524
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Speaker 4: So you know, I started a program called Blue Line

525
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Speaker 4: Buddies program to get underprivileged youth into our game, and

526
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Speaker 4: we're going to continue to grow that to open up

527
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Speaker 4: doors for scholarships, intern opportunities for kids that want to

528
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Speaker 4: be in sport who can use hockey. And I've seen

529
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Speaker 4: it grow. We talked about the first round this year,

530
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Speaker 4: thirty two picks. I'm pretty sure that like out of

531
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Speaker 4: the thirty two, like twenty of them weren't white. Like

532
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Speaker 4: they're from different backgrounds, So the game is already growing.

533
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Speaker 4: I think it's the first thing is do people know

534
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Speaker 4: about our game hockey?

535
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Speaker 3: What's that? Well, here it is, tune in, watch a game.

536
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Speaker 3: Here's what it is.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Stephen A said something to me when I was on

539
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Speaker 4: first take that really resonated, and he had said, you know,

540
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Speaker 4: I think that for the NHL, it's like, what do

541
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Speaker 4: you guys do now after four nations?

542
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Speaker 3: You know, what do you guys do to keep it going?

543
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Speaker 4: And he said, you know, you could do a lot

544
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Speaker 4: with the rivalries in every night, you know, rivalry games

545
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Speaker 4: in original six. But what the NBA does very, very

546
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Speaker 4: good is when you turn on your TV, they're not

547
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Speaker 4: just talking about the games. They're talking about what production

548
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 4: thing Lebron's doing. They're talking about him in the space

549
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 4: Jam video, they're talking about this, they're talking about that.

550
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 4: It's a lifestyle show. It's not a basketball show. So

551
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 4: you know, in hockey it's always about hockey, hockey and

552
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 4: excells and use we don't talk about anything else. So

553
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Speaker 4: part of what I do on the broadcast is to

554
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Speaker 4: talk about other things because I'm gonna tell you some

555
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Speaker 4: If you don't know anything about hockey, what the hell

556
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Speaker 4: are you gonna.

557
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Speaker 3: Understand when I'm talking about a Ford check.

558
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Speaker 2: No, I'm saying, listen, how can you connect?

559
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Speaker 4: Right?

560
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 3: And you've got to connect with people, So it starts

561
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Speaker 3: with this, what's your message?

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Speaker 4: Your message has to be something that resonates with those people.

563
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Speaker 4: So I know this, If a black person turns on

564
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 4: the TV and sees me on ABC, they're gonna say, shit,

565
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 4: who the hell is this guy?

566
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Speaker 3: And did he play hockey? Right?

567
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Speaker 4: So what I'm saying sometimes it's a visual thing. There's

568
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Speaker 4: there's a symbolism part of it, and then there's the message.

569
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Speaker 4: And I think that with those two things, we can

570
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Speaker 4: show people, first of all, feel welcome to come into

571
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Speaker 4: our sport, Feel welcome to come to a game. The

572
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Speaker 4: second part is if you love sports and you're true

573
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Speaker 4: sports fan, this is something you're going to get into.

574
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Speaker 4: And I think for a lot of people they're scared

575
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Speaker 4: of what they don't know, like me and you. You know,

576
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,239
Speaker 4: everybody would be frightened to step into something that they

577
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 4: don't understand. So how do we make them understand it?

578
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 4: The first thing is grassroots, getting kids involved, making the

579
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Speaker 4: game more affordable for them. The second thing is symbolism.

580
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Speaker 4: People got to see their people, People got to see

581
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Speaker 4: things that they resonate.

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Speaker 3: So having Snoop Dogg at the LA Strong game justin.

583
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Speaker 4: Bieber, having those people show up, just that alone moves

584
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 4: the needle for us in a big, big way. Right,

585
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 4: and then it's the message right, it's you're welcome to come.

586
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Speaker 4: We cut all this crap out. I don't want to

587
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 4: hear nothing about players. Our players are the best. We

588
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Speaker 4: have no issues with our players saying crap or anything

589
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 4: like that, like any of that stuff.

590
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Speaker 3: It's very, very small.

591
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Speaker 4: So we got a great group of players in our

592
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 4: league that respect the game, that understand it. During the pandemic,

593
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: when we had all that stuff with black lives our players.

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Speaker 3: I could not have been more proud for me.

595
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Speaker 4: That was a big turning point for me when I

596
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 4: reached when Sydney Crosby reaches out to me and I

597
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 4: reach out to them, and I had an idea to

598
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 4: start something. You know, we never did it because we

599
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 4: created the PC and we did all this. But as

600
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Speaker 4: a player, as a black player, I'm reaching out to

601
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Speaker 4: every single player and I'm saying, hey, I'm gonna I'm

602
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: thinking about doing this program. It's gonna involve bringing under

603
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: privilege juice. Yeah, I'm in Sid Goes, you know what PK.

604
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: I'm in.

605
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Speaker 4: But I'd like you to even talk to the younger

606
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 4: guy because when I move on, I want these guys

607
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 4: to continue it.

608
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: That's what he's telling me.

609
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 4: So it's not about he doesn't have to jump up

610
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 4: in front of a microphone and put his hand up. No,

611
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 4: he doesn't need to do that. Our players are all in.

612
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: That's why when I say they're all in, they're all in.

613
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: They know what's asked of them. They're sick and tired

614
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 4: of people painting them with this brush that hockey's a

615
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 4: racist gay It's it's not. They're great guys. They love

616
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: the sport, they love everybody. The hockey locker room is

617
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Speaker 4: one of the best. That's what I miss about the game.

618
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 4: I miss being in the locker room. So I truly

619
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Speaker 4: love the players in the game. I love all the

620
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Speaker 4: guys that I played with and played against, And you know,

621
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Speaker 4: I just want to make sure they get their due,

622
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 4: that people know what they're all about. Then you can

623
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Speaker 4: make your decision. But don't be scared of hockey. It's

624
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 4: a great sport if you when you go to a game,

625
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 4: you'll be a fan forever. That I can guarantee. Black white, brown,

626
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: purple from timbuckt from Toronto, from l A You're Gonna Love.

627
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Speaker 2: Argument No definitely changed my perspective of PK. Man.

628
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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time and best of luck continuing to

629
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Speaker 1: grow the game and doing your part to help that happen.

630
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: Listen, you and KG got you guys got to get

631
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Speaker 3: me back on here. Man.

632
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: I want to come on and tell basketball we got

633
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Speaker 1: we got some uh k KG big ticket baby ticket

634
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Speaker 1: right there.

635
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 4: That Hey, g man, you are the big ticket. You

636
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 4: are the truth. Respect, love and he was a dog. Yes,

637
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 4: that is a guy that I loved to watch play.

638
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 4: And my sister loved to watch you play too.

639
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: She's a big bet. We'll connect it. We'll connect the

641
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: dots for you too. Please, all right, thank you, and

642
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Speaker 1: I want to welcome in the show. Uh my brother

643
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Speaker 1: ke On Dueling and key on. You heard the conversation

644
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Speaker 1: that p K and I just had and some of

645
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Speaker 1: the producers saying you were texting some information. So what

646
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Speaker 1: were your thoughts because obviously he he got some good

647
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Speaker 1: feedback and he ruffled some feathers with his with his

648
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Speaker 1: uh you know kind of point of view.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, great commentary, man, I think you know, man, PK

650
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 6: has actually peaked my interest in the NHL, right, you

651
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 6: know what I mean. He's charismatic, he's smart, he's got

652
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 6: a great delivery. So I think he's great for that game, right,

653
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Speaker 6: But I also believe, you know, like you know, I

654
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Speaker 6: think it was you know, the timing of you know,

655
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Speaker 6: his his his.

656
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Speaker 7: Commentary, you know what I mean.

657
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Speaker 6: I feel like, you know, us as Hooper sometimes, you know,

658
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Speaker 6: we could feel a certain type way, so kind.

659
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Speaker 7: Of listening, you know, we can we can fuel a

660
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Speaker 7: certain type way, you know what I mean.

661
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Speaker 6: You know, especially leagues that you know haven't ascended to

662
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Speaker 6: the level that we have, you know, on a television basis,

663
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Speaker 6: on a fan base basis, on a ticket sales basis,

664
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Speaker 6: on all the matrics.

665
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Speaker 7: That you can measure.

666
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Speaker 6: So I understand it, man, and I think, you know,

667
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 6: he's a great voice, you know what I mean, for

668
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 6: that particular industry. But we can't fade in hoops anymore,

669
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Speaker 6: right we you know what I mean, hard foul those

670
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 6: are flavorantwos now. So there's certain things that the players

671
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 6: don't have control of, And I think the narrative sometimes

672
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 6: is that it's the players are not producing, performing playing

673
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 6: the way that the game used to be, but the

674
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Speaker 6: elements and the rules have.

675
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 7: Shifted, so they they don't have a choice.

676
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Speaker 6: They have to play within the concept of those rules

677
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 6: and they have to adapt and adjust to the game

678
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 6: that they're in now. But I definitely, you know, love

679
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Speaker 6: PK and I'm gonna take more of an interest in

680
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Speaker 6: hockey because of his commentary and his passion and his delivery.

681
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Speaker 1: Katie, we discussed before we jumped on air with you

682
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Speaker 1: was about and it was interesting to me because I

683
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Speaker 1: didn't really know this.

684
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Speaker 2: You know.

685
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Speaker 1: My whole thing is I agreed with a lot of

686
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Speaker 1: the stuff he was saying. As far as being available

687
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Speaker 1: to be on the court. I feel like the NBA

688
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: has so much technology now and and and modern medicine is,

689
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Speaker 1: as you know, the leading, all the analytics shit and

690
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: all this and all that. I say all that to say,

691
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: guys are still hurt more and playing less, you know

692
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Speaker 1: what I mean. And you brought up a point like,

693
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's more on the teams as far

694
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Speaker 1: as wanting to not we're not save these guys, but

695
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Speaker 1: have them in peak performance when it comes to playoff times.

696
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Speaker 1: And then my pushback to that was these motherfuckers are

697
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: still missing playoff games still.

698
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I want to.

699
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Speaker 1: Talk about we don't have to do too much of

700
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Speaker 1: a deep die because I think we both see. Both

701
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: sides know this of it. But but let me know

702
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think there's a it's a catch twenty two,

704
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 6: it's a double air sward, right, because you know, I

705
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 6: think there's a healthy responsibility that you know, is on

706
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Speaker 6: the players and on the way that the.

707
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Speaker 7: Rules are now.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: I just know that in our generation, we did push through.

710
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 6: We did do toward all shots, we did do cortasone shots.

711
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 7: We did play through you.

712
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Speaker 6: Know, being hurt, right, but sometimes guys were injured and

713
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 6: had to play through. You know, Grant Hill pushing through

714
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 6: in the playoffs, you know, against the heat, which is

715
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Speaker 6: something that you know, kind of halted his career where

716
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Speaker 6: we could have had one of our transcending players at

717
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Speaker 6: his best. But you know, because it's quote is toughness

718
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Speaker 6: might have been questioned in that moment, His commitment might

719
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Speaker 6: have been questioned in that moment. He played through that,

720
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Speaker 6: and he suffered through that the rest of his career.

721
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Speaker 6: Now he was able to continue to play, but that

722
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 6: was hell. That was the feelie man. Grant Hill drinks

723
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 6: frite type stuff, you know what I mean. And so

724
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Speaker 6: I think it's a healthy balance that we have to find.

725
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Speaker 6: And then I think the elephant in the room is that,

726
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 6: like the game is shifted. It's not just about like toughness,

727
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 6: you know, being courageous and things like that anymore, because

728
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 6: now you have the gambling aspect, you know what I mean,

729
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 6: You have all these different brands and and all these

730
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 6: different things outside of just playing the game that generate

731
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 6: you know, money, you know, and so sometimes you know,

732
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 6: when a guy you know doesn't want to push through

733
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 6: or anything like that, you know, it's not just on

734
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Speaker 6: the team. Guys have to understand that they stand on

735
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 6: the shoulders of the people who came before them, who

736
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Speaker 6: put in work, who was making you know, peanuts compared

737
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Speaker 6: to what they played, what they made, And there's a

738
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Speaker 6: healthy obligation responsibility to the next generation to persevere, to

739
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Speaker 6: push through. The reason we still talk about willis reed

740
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 6: right now to this day, though he didn't play that

741
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 6: entire game, it's the fact that he showed up and

742
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 6: he pushed through, and he motivated and he inspired. And

743
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Speaker 6: I think our players are losing a little bit of

744
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Speaker 6: insight on that. But at the same time, I understand

745
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 6: that there's a business model, you know what I mean,

746
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 6: there's a business model that these guys have to maximize

747
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 6: and make as much as they can because that you know,

748
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 6: you have a short window to earn.

749
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Speaker 1: I think one thing that Kevin Garnett is always saying

750
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Speaker 1: is is new lens. We got to look at it

751
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: through a new lens. And I think for the most part,

752
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: I do look at it through a lens. But again,

753
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Speaker 1: PK brought up a point that I had talked to

754
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Speaker 1: some of my homeboys about and I asked, you, because

755
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: you're closer removed to the game as far from a

756
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Speaker 1: coaching standpoint, Shit, I'll be eight years since I retired,

757
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: But do these guys in the offseason. I'm not saying

758
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Speaker 1: they do or don't, but do they prepare their self

759
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Speaker 1: for eighty two plus? Are they pretty much preparing their

760
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: self for one hundred games in the AUS? Because we

761
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Speaker 1: used to, Katie, we used to kill ourselves in the summertime,

762
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Speaker 1: kill ourselves in training camp and take around knee pads

763
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Speaker 1: to a day. So my question is, with the training

764
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Speaker 1: camps not being what they are, are they are and

765
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Speaker 1: they don't practice as much anymore, like, are they preparing

766
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Speaker 1: their body? And I don't want to call it war

767
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of shit going on in the world,

768
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Speaker 1: But are they preparing their self for the rigors of

769
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Speaker 1: a full ninety five game NBA season if we're talking

770
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Speaker 1: about playoffs and in all that ninety five plus game season.

771
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if they are, because again I'm

772
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: not around the game no more. But I remember when

773
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: we were coming up in the early two thousand and

774
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Speaker 1: our era, we prided ourselves on playing as many games

775
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Speaker 1: as possible, is it closer to eighty two as we

776
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: can get, and then we knew we also had to

777
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: go to the playoffs. Now I feel like now there's

778
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Speaker 1: a ton of loads management and whether it's business, doc

779
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: or medicine, and where we were not seeing the guys

780
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: in the regular season, and then when it comes to

781
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs, they'll get there, then they get hurt again

782
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: because I don't feel like their body was ready for

783
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: what this fucking game is, because this game is a monster.

784
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Speaker 6: You're right, Matt, and I feel you on your points,

785
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 6: But I would say this like, because of the history,

786
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 6: guys are eating better, guys are getting more risk. There's

787
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 6: different devices that they have on them to monitor their

788
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 6: heart rates, their recovery.

789
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 7: The guys are doing hyper bary chambers. Guys are investing

790
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 7: into trainers, physical on the court all that. So I

791
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 7: think these young guys are prepared.

792
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 6: Where I think there's a gap is in the mentality

793
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 6: that they have compared to our generation. They don't have

794
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 6: enough dogs around them. They don't have enough around them.

795
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Speaker 2: I said it earlier, taken let them know how serving.

796
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 6: The game like, making you dig deep. They are not

797
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 6: willing to leave that court, you know what I'm saying.

798
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 6: With it all on the line, they save a piece,

799
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying for themselves in my opinion,

800
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Speaker 6: So I think it's a case twenty two because I

801
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 6: think they're more professional. I think they spend more time

802
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 6: on their bodies, on their brands. They have more discipline,

803
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Ain't as wild as our

804
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 6: generation was, you know what I mean, in a lot

805
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 6: of different ways. But I think, you know what I mean,

806
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 6: it's not just a body thing. It's a mentality thing. Dog,

807
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 6: it's the mind right bench, get your mind right. And

808
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 6: I just don't think there's enough people around the game

809
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 6: anymore that indoctrinate them. With the history of going through

810
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 6: collective bargaining agreements, have events doing rookie responsibilities, have an

811
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 6: event to tell you, you know, how to show up,

812
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 6: how to be a professional, what you owe to the game.

813
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 6: And then the next generation who's coming behind, because every

814
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 6: generation behind us should benefit. And if these guys, you're

815
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 6: going to continue to take games off, if guys aren't gonna,

816
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 6: you know, continue to give it.

817
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 7: They're all which I think they do within.

818
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 6: The rules of the confine to a certain degree, but

819
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 6: they don't look at it. The generation before we don't

820
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 6: look at it like that because we would take quarters

821
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 6: on shots, we would take toward all shots.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? They whatever, take the play.

823
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: We did what we want we wanted to period period up.

824
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: Moving on the Warriors first three game winning streak since

825
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: November five and one with Jimmy Butler quality wins over

826
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Houston Sack Butler's averaging twenty points, six rebound, six assists.

827
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: Are the Warriors a legitimate threat in the Western Conference

828
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: in your opinion?

829
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 6: Well, you know what, I always think that there's a

830
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 6: great area, Matt when you talk about pretenders are contenders,

831
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? And I think they're in

832
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 6: the middle of that because they have a pedigree that

833
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 6: they've been there before, so they're always dangerous when you

834
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 6: get an addition like Jimmy Butler and put him in

835
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 6: hear him with Steph. Those are two guys who've kind

836
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 6: of been, you know, transcending in their own unique way.

837
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 6: Steph more so because like he's a transitional he's a

838
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 6: transformational player. But Jimmy has always thrived as being that

839
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 6: second guy, right you know. And now when he went

840
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 6: to the Heat, he had an opportunity to be the

841
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 6: number one guy, so he knows how that feels. So

842
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 6: I think there's not too many best, better second options

843
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 6: than Jimmy Butler. What he brings to the team, especially

844
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 6: when he's bought in, he's committed, and he's ten toes down,

845
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. Jimmy brings a whole mentality

846
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 6: that most people can't bring because he doesn't just need

847
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 6: the ball to score. He can cut, he can get lobs,

848
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 6: he can get rebounds, He impacts the game on the

849
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 6: defensive end. He knows how to get to the free

850
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 6: throw line. And so Jimmy, I think, man is you

851
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 6: can you can see you know it was a partnership

852
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 6: because they did extend him as well. Right, and when

853
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 6: you have your value and things like that, and you

854
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 6: feel supported, you feel valued, you can be ten too.

855
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 7: You don't have to hold anything back.

856
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 6: And the pedigree that they have in that at Warriors

857
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 6: locker room, and so I wouldn't say that they are

858
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 6: a straight contender, but they are not a portender. They

859
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 6: are somebody who is very dangerous and if they get

860
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 6: you gotta beat them. You gotta beat them, guys, they

861
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 6: got to beat them.

862
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: You gotta beat them.

863
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: I think one of my favorite things about Jimmy Butlers,

864
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: although he's giving you the numbers, his impact does not

865
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: know most of it. To me, his biggest impact isn't

866
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: the statue. It's the impact he just has on the

867
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: game and his energy and his mindset. The mindset is

868
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: talking about. He's a fucking dog. The Knicks. The Knicks

869
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: are ozer and seven against the top three teams in

870
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: the league. Okay, see Boston and Cleveland. Coming off two

871
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: double digit losses to Boston and Cleveland. Are the Knicks

872
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: a threat in the Eastern Conference?

873
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 7: I think they are. I think they are.

874
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 6: I think they're third in the East right now. I

875
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 6: think they have in that like thirty seven wins I

876
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 6: think they're threat right. And you know the thing about

877
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 6: TIBs coach teams is that the starters play a lot

878
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 6: of minutes and so they get they get a lot

879
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 6: of wear and tear on your body. And you and

880
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 6: I both know that in the playoffs you always need

881
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 6: somebody off the bench, you know what I mean, to

882
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 6: come in and be that spark plug, to come in

883
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 6: and you know what I mean, kind of shift the game.

884
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 6: And I don't think, like during the regular season, you

885
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 6: might have to sacrifice some wins to get those guys

886
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 6: experienced so that they have their legs, so that they have,

887
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 6: you know, all, their their confidence for the playoffs. And

888
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 6: so I won''t say they're a pretender, but there's teams

889
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 6: that they have more wins then that I would put

890
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 6: ahead of them, like the Bucks. I think the Bucks

891
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 6: got better, especially getting you know, Kevin Porter Junior had

892
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 6: the trade dayline.

893
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: Twenty six and six against teams with losing records, eleven

894
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: and fourteen against teams with winning records. Towns's defense is

895
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: absolutely terrible.

896
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 2: Of late.

897
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna push back a little bit and I want

898
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: to put a disclaimer because I really like both of

899
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: these players I really like Jalen Brunson, I really like

900
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: Karl Anthony Towns. Are they one a's, are they alphas?

901
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: Are either one of those players the best player on

902
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: the floor that can lead you to a championship or

903
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: are those both great sidekicks second option? I don't and

904
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: I say that with all due respect. Yeah, they're both

905
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: all stars making a ton of money. Like you know

906
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: how people the talking shit, I'm not talking shit. I'm

907
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: asking a question. Are they either one of those guys

908
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: the guys that can lead you to a championship in

909
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: your opinion?

910
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 6: Well, I think on the offensive end, they are, you know,

911
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 6: and I think that's why they peered them with bridges.

912
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 6: I think that's why they bought you know, O g

913
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 6: N as well to kind of, you know, give them

914
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 6: that defensive push.

915
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: Obviously, Josh Hart he's one of my favorite players.

916
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 7: He's a OG.

917
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 6: You know, he put in work at Billanoba, he's putting

918
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 6: them work in the league, and he's continued to grow

919
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 6: as a player and shooting the ball a lot better now.

920
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 6: But I don't think that those two guys as your

921
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 6: one A and one B get you a championship.

922
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 7: You know, I just don't. I just did.

923
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 6: I think that there's too many great players in our

924
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 6: league that you know, they just you know, that's just

925
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 6: not enough at this particular point. But what happens is

926
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 6: if you give your guys on the bench an opportunity

927
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 6: to come in and fill some gaps and things like that,

928
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 6: you can have some role players that can come out

929
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 6: and have big nights. Unfortunately, they don't give their guys

930
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 6: on the bench enough minutes to bring a different element,

931
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 6: to be a spark plug, to be a guy who

932
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 6: could be a game changer.

933
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 7: And I think that's gonna hurt them in the long run.

934
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm mad at that tank watch or suicide watch. Washington,

935
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Utah, Charlotte, Toronto, Philly, Brooklyn all want Cooper Flag.

936
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: Cooper Flag is talking about he possibly might want to

937
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: go to college. This nil life is good. I'm sure,

938
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: Duke life is good. You got the Boozer Twins coming

939
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: in next year, maybe a chance to go back to back,

940
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: who knows. We remember Eli Manning pulled this when he

941
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: was drafted by the Chargers and said he wouldn't play

942
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: for the Chargers and ended up going to the Giants.

943
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: And then Steve Francis pulled it saying he wouldn't play

944
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: for was a Vancouver right, Yeah, Vancouver and ended up.

945
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 2: Going to Houston.

946
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: And not by any means am I saying Cooper Flag

947
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: is on this type of energy or on this type

948
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: of time. I've seen nothing but you know, outstanding, just

949
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: an outstanding human when it comes to Cooper Flag. But

950
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about kind of just these bottom

951
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: dollers being the bottom dollars and him possibly going back

952
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: to college and maybe coming back out the following year.

953
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: Obviously there's a ton of money on the line, But

954
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: does that not matter to him?

955
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 6: Well, it matters, but it doesn't because like these guys

956
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 6: have nil money now, right, and so it's not like

957
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 6: they're living off pel grants, Matt, like how you and

958
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 6: I were right are getting you know what I mean,

959
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 6: nil under the table, you.

960
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 7: Know what I'm saying.

961
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 6: But I think he has, you know, a great opportunity

962
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 6: right now because like at the end of the day,

963
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 6: when you're considered the number one pick, the only way

964
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 6: you can go is down.

965
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 7: There is a young guy who's in high school right now.

966
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 6: I think his name is like Ajd Fansa, and he

967
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 6: is a potential number one pick when he's a prospect

968
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 6: and he's eligible for the draft.

969
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 7: And so that could have an impact on that. But

970
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 7: I like player freedom.

971
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 6: If you choose to stay in college and get that experience,

972
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 6: if that's your in game, and then that's something you're

973
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 6: enjoying right now, do it.

974
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 7: But I think our game means Cooper.

975
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 6: You know, we talked about this a couple episodes ago,

976
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 6: Matt like, we need an American born, white player in

977
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 6: my opinion, you know what I'm saying, to come in

978
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 6: and represent I think, you know, the hard part is

979
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 6: when you're a great player, is that you're gonna go

980
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 6: to a bad team. And sometimes it takes guys, you know,

981
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 6: it lessens the development curve. But I think he's talented enough.

982
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 7: I think he's.

983
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 6: Popular enough, and more so than anything, man, he's got

984
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 6: a motor. He's got a motor. He's a skilled player

985
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 6: who plays with energy. I think our game needs him

986
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 6: to be successful. And getting him in the right place,

987
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 6: in the right situation, you know what I mean, definitely

988
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 6: helps incubate that talent, cultivate that talent, develop that talent.

989
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 7: But I don't think you should wait. I think you

990
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 7: should go and become a pro. You know what I mean.

991
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 7: They can never take duke off your resume. You'll have

992
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 7: that network.

993
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 6: You can go back into summers, you know what I'm saying,

994
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 6: and get your work in and get the college experience,

995
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 6: take your classes and all that. But just the money

996
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 6: that's available in the NBA right now. Man, I know,

997
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 6: nil sounds.

998
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: Cool when you're young to what the NBA is talking about.

999
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 6: Man, Man like, I really think, you know, I would

1000
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 6: love to see him go, you know, go to the league,

1001
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 6: and I think he'll be the number one pick.

1002
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: He should be, you know, obviously for looking at any

1003
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: teams to land and obviously him going to San Antonio

1004
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: with Wimby would be insane. But also I like Philly.

1005
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: I like Philly a lot, and that leads us to

1006
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: our next thing. Uh, they've lost. Philly's lost seven in

1007
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: a row, nine out of ten, and beat his considering

1008
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: options for his need that's given him a ton of issues.

1009
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: Paul George's severely been struggling and came out and said

1010
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: he's taken injections in his knee just to play. I

1011
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: think it's safe to say that trusting the process is done.

1012
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: EMBIID has a monstrous contract for the next what four

1013
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: years after the season? Four yeah, after this season, four

1014
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: more years. I mean, what do you do, Katie, someone

1015
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: who's been you know, around the front office and in

1016
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: the front office and sat on the on the bench

1017
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: as a coach, what do you do with this seventy

1018
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: six ers team? MAXI is a killer, yeah, and the

1019
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, the best player on the team right now

1020
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: because he's out there every single night doing it. What

1021
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: do you do with this Philly situation? Do you try

1022
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: to trade embiid? What do you I mean, what do

1023
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: you what do you do?

1024
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 7: You know what I think you gotta you know, be

1025
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 7: patient with it a little bit, right it is their.

1026
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: First Oh, patient with Paul and Embid.

1027
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, and also with his body, you know, because because.

1028
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: We've been we've been trusting.

1029
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: We've been trusting the process for a long time though

1030
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: ten years, I would say ten years. We've been trusting

1031
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: the process. And this is no knock because we know

1032
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: and not to cut you off the last time cut

1033
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: you off and be healthy and beat on the court.

1034
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: Is one of the best basketball players in the world.

1035
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: Paul George Healthy is one of the best basketball players

1036
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: in the world.

1037
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 7: I feel you.

1038
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, I definitely feel you. I

1039
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 6: feel your perspective on like trusting the process. Maybe it's

1040
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 6: time to you know, part ways and things like that.

1041
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 6: But what if you part ways with a generational player,

1042
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 6: right and he gets help after taking.

1043
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 7: Some time off, you know what I mean, he may

1044
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 7: need some time off. They may have to capitulate, you know,

1045
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 7: this season.

1046
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 6: They might have to lay it down and say, hey,

1047
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 6: you know what we got you guys in the contract,

1048
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 6: Let's give it a Let's give it next year.

1049
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 7: We kind of know what we're facing. Let's get our

1050
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 7: bodies white. Our body's right.

1051
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 6: I've seen guys come back from killer injuries, you know

1052
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 6: what I mean. I think I don't know if you

1053
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 6: played with Sean Livingston or not, but Sean is a

1054
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 6: guy who you know, like his need, you know, like

1055
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 6: it was a rough looking injury when he had it.

1056
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 6: Now he wasn't you know, maybe as athletic as he

1057
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 6: you know, he as he was previously, But he came

1058
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 6: back and he had an incredible career and contributed to

1059
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 6: a team. I think they may need to, you know, capitulate,

1060
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 6: try and see where they can position themselves to get

1061
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 6: another piece through the draft. I think they got to

1062
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 6: continue to let Maxie just develop and like not put

1063
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 6: a cap on him. I think the same with Paul.

1064
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 6: You gotta get him healthier. It's possible because you made

1065
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 6: the commitment. I mean, I saw the Lakers rescind the trade,

1066
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, when they kind of did

1067
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 6: their physicals and things like that. So the Philadelphia doctors

1068
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 6: looked at his body and they signed up for.

1069
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: It, and so it might be they might have to

1070
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: capitulate with him too, But they capitulate with him and

1071
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: just pack them both in and give them this last

1072
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: twenty five just to rest and have a very important

1073
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: straight training summer and body right summer and really see

1074
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: what they got next year.

1075
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would think so, I would really think so.

1076
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 6: I don't even know if they're in the play in.

1077
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 6: I think they're twelfth right now. I could be wrong

1078
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 6: about that, but I think they're twelfth right now as

1079
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 6: far as in the East, and I don't see them,

1080
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 6: you know, you know, climbing up that not with those guys' bodies,

1081
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 6: not right.

1082
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 7: I just don't think they have the.

1083
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 6: Time, the chemistry and the health, you know what, I mean,

1084
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 6: to be able to you know, like kind of you know,

1085
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 6: be a factor in the East.

1086
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 7: So I think they need to just kind of white

1087
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 7: flag it and surrender this year.

1088
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,959
Speaker 2: Kad. We appreciate your time, Bro. We'll talk to you soon, Okay,

1089
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 2: jam always.

1090
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: Now I want to welcome to the show one of

1091
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: my favorite rachel I like your shoes.

1092
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Speaker 8: I thank you, VI, Sarah, Nate Bronson, special Iam Beer Jordan,

1093
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 8: very impressive.

1094
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: Hook me up tonight, big game Lakers in Dallas in LA.

1095
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: Unfortunately there will be no a d Luca just had

1096
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: his best game as a Laker the other night in Denver,

1097
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Jj Reddick, So he's lost a ton of sleep game planning.

1098
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: But I know, Jay, that's JJ's game, and I know

1099
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: he loved it every minute of it. You got a

1100
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: little glimpse of bron and Luca kind of hitting their

1101
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: start at the same time they come up for only

1102
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: sixty points, nearly twenty rebounds, twelve assists in a dominating

1103
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: performance over Denver. Where is tonight's game? And you've been

1104
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: blessed to see a lot of revenge games and guys

1105
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: going back and playing against other teams. Where does this

1106
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: Luca versus Nico in the owners of the Dallas Mavericks

1107
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: stack of again for you, Well.

1108
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 8: Luca versus Nico is right because Ad is not going

1109
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 8: to be playing and this is going to be in

1110
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 8: La Yes, So for a true like revenge game, you kind.

1111
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 9: Of got to go to the other place.

1112
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 8: So the one that I saw that was like lit

1113
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 8: in person, that was the crazy at was Lebron's first

1114
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 8: trip back to Cleveland, right, that was crazy. People were

1115
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 8: throwing batteries at us on the sideline, like yeah, it

1116
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 8: was reporting and like it was it was out of

1117
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 8: control and like just the noise level was insane and

1118
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 8: all of this stuff. It's going to be interesting to

1119
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 8: see when Luca goes to Dallas. I think that happens

1120
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 8: in April. But this one, for me, it's not as

1121
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 8: spicy because AD's.

1122
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 9: Not in the mix.

1123
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 8: You're not seeing like my new team versus your new team,

1124
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 8: and it's not in Dallas. To me, the question is,

1125
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 8: if you're Nico Harrison, are you visibly sitting at that

1126
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 8: game where Luca can look at you talk his talk

1127
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 8: feed off saying things to you, or are you just

1128
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 8: in the building somewhere behind the.

1129
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: Scenes off subject.

1130
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: Real quick, weren't Nico and Polinka in the same building

1131
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: for a random reason the other night. Yeah, they're at

1132
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: a Warriors game, Warriors Gays Dallas. Okay, okay, So will

1133
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: Nico be present?

1134
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 8: I mean, I think he'll be in Los Angeles, but

1135
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 8: will he be will he be visibly?

1136
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: Lucas both known Nico for a long time.

1137
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: Good guy. I met him through Cobe and long time

1138
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: with Nike. I always thought that situation was above his

1139
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: head and he may just be the kind of in

1140
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: position as far as his job to kind of.

1141
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 2: Speak on it. Would you take that fall?

1142
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 9: Take that fall?

1143
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: I know?

1144
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: But I mean he's you know, he's got a nice

1145
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: job with that team. But I think that was more ownership.

1146
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: But that's neither here nor there. He's going to be

1147
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: the guy that's going to get the brunt of.

1148
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 9: The saying you're wrong.

1149
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I wouldn't do it.

1150
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this would be, like I agree on all fronts.

1151
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: I think the Lakers have set themselves up post Lebron.

1152
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: Obviously with Luca, the Lakers.

1153
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 8: Need to start planning for the end of Luca's career,

1154
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 8: how they're going to build around Lebron.

1155
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 9: So they'll just play forever. I mean, I like, here's

1156
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 9: what I like.

1157
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 8: I like two things that the JJ said, the quiet

1158
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 8: part out loud. First of all, he made a big

1159
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 8: deal about prepping for this game in Denver, right where normally.

1160
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 9: It's like, we don't care, it's just a regular season game,

1161
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 9: it doesn't matter or whatever.

1162
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1163
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 8: JJ's like, no, no, this is a big deal. And

1164
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 8: he made a big deal afterward by saying, I hope

1165
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 8: that you guys in the locker room can build on

1166
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 8: this psychologically. I hope this shows you what a good

1167
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 8: team you are and how good you can be, especially here.

1168
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 8: But they hadn't won in three years, and most coaches

1169
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 8: will be there, like, it's not a measuring stick game,

1170
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 8: it's not a big deal, just you know, regular season whatever.

1171
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 8: I love that he said that out loud. And I

1172
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 8: also love that he was like, yeah, Lucas playing on

1173
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 8: ball because that's been a thing, right and he said

1174
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 8: we're going to go through Lucamore.

1175
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: I love that.

1176
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: But I also think too, I mean, you can't rule

1177
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: them out of representing the Western Conference. I don't feel

1178
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: like you could rule them or Denver out. They've got experience,

1179
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: they got Hall of famers, there's a lot of young

1180
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of youth at the top of the

1181
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: Western Conference, and okay, see very male could be their

1182
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: year to come out of the West. I still think

1183
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: it's Boston's championship to lose. But I don't think you

1184
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: can rule the Lakers out. I don't think you ruled

1185
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: Denver out. And you have to step on the Warriors

1186
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: like they're Freddie or Jason, like you have to really

1187
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: make sure they're dead. Because with the injection of Jimmy,

1188
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: what he's been able.

1189
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 2: To do is huge.

1190
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: But I saw that to say, you know, the big

1191
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: deal is Lebron and Luca don't really play defense, but

1192
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: there's every team has a couple guys that don't play defense.

1193
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: Can they be a good defensive team. Can they be

1194
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: in the right position, Can they communicate? Can they play

1195
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: with energy and second and third effort? And I think

1196
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: that's what jaj is trying to instill understand, like, hey,

1197
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: you know the elephant in the room. We know Bron

1198
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: is forty, so we need him to do certain things.

1199
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: Luca's going to get better at effort obviously being here

1200
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: with all the eyes on him. Can we be a solid,

1201
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: solid team, defensive team, and can that be good enough

1202
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: to make a run for us.

1203
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 9: Well, how much is the size thing a factor for you?

1204
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 8: Because you know, it has seemed over the last couple

1205
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 8: of years that the West especially was trending big. Yeah, right,

1206
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 8: and you had to be big to compete. But Minnesota's

1207
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 8: not playing so well this year, right, And some of

1208
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 8: the other teams that like that aren't playing so well.

1209
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 8: I mean, Oklahoma City is not that big.

1210
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: I think the only issue with big is if the

1211
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 1: Lakers have to run into Denver in the playoffs because

1212
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: you look, you know, and again, I feel like Boston

1213
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: is the best team coming. Boston's not big, They're very

1214
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: skilled that there skilled positions, and their big guys play hard.

1215
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: So I mean, Jackson Hayes is gonna, you know, gonna

1216
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: do a lot and have to really pick his game up.

1217
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: But I just think it's more can they be a

1218
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: good defensive team or team defensive team and and and

1219
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, ride this way. Lakers top sense of defense

1220
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: over the last that's a nice that's an that's an

1221
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: espnish status, And they top six and defense over the

1222
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: last five h and again, defense is a mindset.

1223
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 2: You know that you've been running the game long enough.

1224
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: There's there's always guys on every team that are good

1225
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: that don't play defense. You know, it's just a factive

1226
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: effort in a mindset. So you know, I think JJ.

1227
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 1: I gave JJ Hughes praise at the beginning of the season,

1228
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: and they started off good, then they started off a

1229
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: little slow. I believe in JJ because I know he

1230
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: puts the work in. So again, that's why to me,

1231
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: you can't rule out the Lakers or Denver in this way.

1232
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 9: Picture agree, agree, agree.

1233
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: Main takeaway from All Star I got a chance to

1234
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: sit down with PK sue Ban, who came off a

1235
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: huge segment that has really drawn a lot of attention

1236
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: and criticism and applause. At the same time, Four Nations

1237
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: for NHL NHAF figured out they're All Star format and

1238
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: the Four Nations thing was a success. The NBA is

1239
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: still trying to figure out what that is for them.

1240
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: What was your takeaway from this new format they used

1241
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: this past two weeks ago.

1242
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 9: I didn't like it going in, I.

1243
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 8: Didn't like it when it was happening, I didn't like

1244
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 8: it afterward.

1245
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: It's just dumb.

1246
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, Like there's no other way to say this.

1247
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 8: We're inventing like six ways to play a basketball game.

1248
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 8: You know, how you play a basketball game. Two teams

1249
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 8: play against each other and see who's the best.

1250
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 9: That's what happens. That is a good basketball game.

1251
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 8: So if you're looking to fix the actual game itself,

1252
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 8: if you still want to have a game, I still say,

1253
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 8: don't make it the last thing in the weekend. So

1254
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 8: the guys are trying to get on a plane and

1255
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 8: get out six seconds after.

1256
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 9: The game ends.

1257
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 8: Fill the arena with not corporate types. Have people who

1258
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 8: care in the stands. We're gonna yell and call people

1259
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 8: out if they miss a step on.

1260
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 9: Defense or something like that.

1261
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 8: Like phill it with give it the tickets to charities,

1262
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 8: and like fill it with kids. I mean, you get

1263
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 8: you get guys playing harder. Another way to go is

1264
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 8: we talk to people about maybe doing a one on

1265
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 8: one tournament instead. Though, have you been paying attention to

1266
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 8: the unrivaled?

1267
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: So unrival did their thing, and I think what scared people?

1268
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: And forgive me because I forgot the girl's name who

1269
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: beat Stewie? Yeah one, no, no, no, but who was

1270
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: the girl that beat Stewie twelve?

1271
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, forgive me, Edward, you did your thing.

1272
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: That's I like the one on one thing, but I

1273
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: think that right there with a younger player beating a

1274
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: legend and there in her game, I saw it.

1275
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: I loved it.

1276
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: You've talked to players along this. KG has been adamant

1277
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: about this. You've talked to a handful of other guys

1278
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: that would love this. What has been their feedback, not

1279
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: necessarily after, but just in general that guys are some

1280
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: people say NBA players don't. I think it sounds like

1281
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: guys are welcoming the challenge.

1282
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1283
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 9: I talked to If you guys, you can listen to

1284
00:57:58,920 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 9: what they told me.

1285
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 8: And if you saw the Unrivaled League the women, Yes,

1286
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 8: they got down with that one on one tournament. What

1287
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 8: do you think about doing one of those here at

1288
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 8: the All Star Game.

1289
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. When there's smoke, there's fire, and that's in the

1290
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: fire in one on one.

1291
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 8: We talked to James Harden, we talked to Kyrie Irving,

1292
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 8: we talked to Anthony Edwards. Janna sent it to Koompa,

1293
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 8: Damian Lillard. These are guys who you'd want to see

1294
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 8: in this kind of tournament. Kyrie said something interesting to

1295
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 8: your point though, about Stewie. He said we'd have to

1296
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 8: agree to talk about the tournament differently, the way it's broadcast,

1297
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 8: the way it's discussed. And I think his point is

1298
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 8: if it was presented by the broadcasting network is like.

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00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 9: Oh, who's going to embarrass who?

1300
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 8: And present it by fans and kind of players made

1301
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 8: to feel like they were putting themselves out there in

1302
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 8: a way that would be negative more than anything they

1303
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 8: could get from it. They're not going to do it.

1304
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 8: He's like, we'd all have to kind of collectively agree

1305
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 8: to talk about it differently.

1306
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 9: It's just something fun.

1307
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 8: If guys like, hey, you get beat one on one,

1308
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 8: that doesn't mean that you're a terrible basketball player. And

1309
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 8: I thought that was kind of interesting. I don't know

1310
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 8: if collectively, in an NBA Twitter era, we can I.

1311
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: Don't think there's anywhere around the memes and the and

1312
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: and just the outside noise and I and I personally

1313
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: feel like that's what may keep it from not happening,

1314
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: is is our pride, you know what I mean?

1315
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 9: Like, what would you if it was you?

1316
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: I would try us versus the world first and foremost

1317
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: for the All Star Game and bring a sense of

1318
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: pride to that game because it's it's it's been lost.

1319
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: I think it's no secrets and what was Kobe's last

1320
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: doll game sixteen? Yep, it guys just haven't played hard,

1321
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: and I'm who to blame. I'm not here to find

1322
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: out who the blame. I want to help, you know,

1323
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: help figure out what the what the fixes why versus

1324
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: the world because I just think it's some pride there. Okay,

1325
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: there'll be some pride there.

1326
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 9: I think fill out the rosters for me though.

1327
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 7: That's it's gonna be tough.

1328
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be ten and ten and ten,

1329
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: twelve and twelve. Some guys are going to get cut.

1330
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: Some guys that deserve to make a normal they won't.

1331
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 9: That's where it gets sticky. So it's two things.

1332
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 8: Reason why I can tell I can sit here and

1333
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 8: tell you, just knowing the business of the NBA, why

1334
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 8: I will. I don't think we will ever see you

1335
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 8: as savers. I think that the Eastern Conference UH team

1336
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 8: owners and the Western Conference team owner still want their

1337
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 8: equal number of spots because having an All Star is

1338
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 8: good for you, right, is good for you and good

1339
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 8: for marketing. So they're not going to give that up

1340
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 8: as sort of the way things go down. And then

1341
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 8: also at least right now, even though you would have

1342
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 8: a really good World team, it would be softer at

1343
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 8: the end of the roster, right, and then you'd have

1344
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 8: a bunch of American guys.

1345
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: It should be there should be all stars.

1346
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 8: I mean, who legit should be all stars. If it

1347
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 8: was only a ten to twelve man roster, would not

1348
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 8: make it. And can you imagine having your All Star spot?

1349
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 9: You're rightful? You know that you're an All Star that

1350
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 9: year and then you.

1351
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: Would make the team and they take how many each year?

1352
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: Just right now? That as that we stand right now,

1353
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: it's twelve and twelve right, twenty four total?

1354
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, think about the arguments about the snubs this year, like,

1355
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 8: I don't know who do you feel, Dylan, who do

1356
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 8: you feel is the most snub?

1357
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 7: You think that the back half of the World team

1358
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 7: this year would be weaker.

1359
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: Than the Americans.

1360
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 8: I think that the end of the last third of

1361
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 8: the World team top heavy, it would be weaker than

1362
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 8: of guys who wouldn't make an All Star team. Do

1363
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 8: a ten or twelve man roster for me and tell

1364
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 8: me the last number, like ten, eleven, twelve guys are

1365
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 8: and would they actually make an All Star team if

1366
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 8: it was quote fair ups, if it was just East

1367
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 8: versus West, would they make the All Star Okay?

1368
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 6: The world, Shay s g A, that's the same person,

1369
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 6: Luca Kokich.

1370
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 8: Did you just count s and s g as two

1371
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 8: people because it's the.

1372
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 7: Same person, Luca Jokic.

1373
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: Yannis wembyonisbonis what you're up to? Seven? Okay?

1374
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 8: So, by the way, he's going to play for the

1375
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 8: Wait wait wait wait wait, soons didn't make the All

1376
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 8: Star Game this year, so you're saying that he's number

1377
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 8: seven on your words, I'm just telling you that you've

1378
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 8: got seven and I'm getting into guy okay again, Jamal Murray,

1379
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 8: a guy who I don't think has never made an

1380
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 8: All Star Game?

1381
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 5: Is that right?

1382
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 4: Never? Never?

1383
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: Who?

1384
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 8: By the way, I think Jamal Murray is underrated, But

1385
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 8: the truth is he's never.

1386
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 7: Made a Yeah a star this year?

1387
01:01:58,720 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1388
01:01:59,040 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: Sure.

1389
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 8: But you're looking at me as if you're proving your.

1390
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 9: Point when you're not.

1391
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 8: You're proving my point as you talk, as you talk

1392
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 8: and pointed me, you're proving my point.

1393
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 9: That's an American.

1394
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: Back to Italy again.

1395
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 8: So you're you're you're twisting and stretching to get yourself.

1396
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 8: These are guys who wouldn't normally so so from seven

1397
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 8: on you're talking about guys who did not make except

1398
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 8: for Shangoon, did not make the All Star rosters this year.

1399
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 8: And then on the American side, give me the rosters

1400
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 8: who have American players who made it this year.

1401
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 7: Luka, Murray, Wenbys, Kyrie Sangoon.

1402
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 8: Okay, so Embiid isn't playing Australia, is not playing for

1403
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 8: the By the way, Kyrie is not competing in a

1404
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 8: World versus USA All Star game where he's playing for

1405
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 8: the World second of all, and BID's not playing this year,

1406
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 8: so you can't like say that he's in there. You're

1407
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 8: talking about guys in the ten, eleven, and twelve spot

1408
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 8: who are not typical, who in a regular All Star

1409
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 8: format would not make the team. And then do the

1410
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 8: Americans for me, because that's an important part of this equation,

1411
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 8: as how Soft at the end of the world team

1412
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 8: being the really big part of this for me is

1413
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 8: making an All Star game is a huge deal. I

1414
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 8: think that it is being able to say I was

1415
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 8: an All Star, I'm an X time All Star.

1416
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 9: I think it's sort of the pinnacle of the.

1417
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 8: NBA because it's such a star driven league. That weekend

1418
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 8: everyone participates versus the finals. It's just two teams, that

1419
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 8: sort of thing. And you are denying guys who legit

1420
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 8: should be All Stars. And I don't mean fringe guys,

1421
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 8: I mean anyone number.

1422
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 9: Thirteen through twenty four.

1423
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 8: You're saying wouldn't make the All Star Game anymore.

1424
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 9: Come on, you can't do it.

1425
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: Be tough, be tough, moving on. And I cannot confirm

1426
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: or deny this is the truth, Rachel. But you have

1427
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: your ear to the NBA streets. Tell me, tell me

1428
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: Lebron James playing in the All Star Game was a

1429
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: fuck you to the NBA for having the young players

1430
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: involved in this little round robin turning.

1431
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 9: Him not playing. I do know that that.

1432
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 8: I have been told by people that they did not

1433
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 8: expect him to play for days at all the time,

1434
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 8: as opposed to, oh he woke up that morning. Okay,

1435
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 8: So if it was a fuck you, it was a

1436
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 8: it was a drawn fuck you, drawn out they fuck you.

1437
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 9: It was a I am not doing this type of thing.

1438
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean I don't because he did play.

1439
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: He played the first game out of the break right

1440
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: and he looked incredible. Yeah, they were the first game, right, Charlotte. Yeah,

1441
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: we we had some inside information and we can't divulge

1442
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: our sources. And I hate when they used to do

1443
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: this on TV too. It used to piss me off.

1444
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: But some people said that, some people that have some

1445
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: knowledge of the game, and I don't know if it's true,

1446
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: that it was kind of like a fuck you to

1447
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: the NBA for the format and allowing these younger players

1448
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: that don't necessarily deserve the opportunity to be on the

1449
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: stage with the All Stars bronze that.

1450
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 2: He wasn't doing it.

1451
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, just wait till we get to the USA versus

1452
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 8: the world and you have that in balance, and we

1453
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 8: really get this for you.

1454
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 9: I mean, look, was it worth? Was it enough of

1455
01:04:58,960 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 9: a fuck you?

1456
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 8: It was worth taking his streak because it's pretty damn

1457
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 8: good streak going was.

1458
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: Six seventeen years sad or something like that.

1459
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 9: Star Starter.

1460
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 8: Played every year and then he played every year since then.

1461
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 9: So so yeah, so you'd really have to be willing.

1462
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 8: But maybe at this point he's like, you know, he's

1463
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 8: like Danny murtak.

1464
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: Man, did you have any issues with kind of the

1465
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: way it went about just everyone else thought it was

1466
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: last minting. He didn't dress, he didn't do any I

1467
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: kind of feel like man's that's he's deserved. If anyone

1468
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: can do that as him, it would be a bigger

1469
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: issue of something.

1470
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: You didn't love it.

1471
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 8: I didn't love it just because I think biggest I

1472
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 8: said before, I think being an All Star is a

1473
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 8: cool things, special thing, and he could have given that

1474
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 8: to somebody else. You know, there's a way to still.

1475
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 8: I don't know what the technical if he then still

1476
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 8: is an All Star that year. I don't know if

1477
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 8: he had been giving up being an All Star.

1478
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 9: I don't know what that.

1479
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 6: If you're injured, you're still still technically an All Star,

1480
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 6: like Trey is an All Star and so is Anthony Davis.

1481
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 8: And by the way, I don't know for sure there

1482
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 8: were new days ahead of time, but there were people

1483
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 8: who told me in the days leading up they did

1484
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 8: not think play.

1485
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 9: So there you go to me.

1486
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,959
Speaker 7: It's Norman Powell could have got that spot. He played

1487
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 7: the three point contest the day before. He was deserving.

1488
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,959
Speaker 1: I respected that. A lot of guys are le bron

1489
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: do whatever you want to do, bro Rachel, you were

1490
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: in Paris for the Olympics. Netflix just released Quarter Gold.

1491
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: We got a chance to preview it at the All

1492
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: Star Game a couple of weeks ago. A ton of

1493
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: viral moments. Let's take a look at this clip.

1494
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 7: What are you thinking about this young guy?

1495
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 2: He can hook a little bit.

1496
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 7: Huh A little h Yeah, I'll be just fan down

1497
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 7: the true, true, the truth. I guess he cold.

1498
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 3: I got a game we created, he gave year time

1499
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 3: we played, and and and and y'all got.

1500
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: And he's still.

1501
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 7: Don't talk.

1502
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying he got.

1503
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 7: He got three. That's right, because you got credit.

1504
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: I told you that he did.

1505
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 7: He did, he did the game.

1506
01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 5: I remember, okay, leabay, this man. Are y'all talking to

1507
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 5: this young man? Because because he just keeps on right now,

1508
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 5: he just said he's the truth and all that and

1509
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 5: the truth, the whole truth or none. But that's what

1510
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 5: he said.

1511
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 7: You asked him, tell him the whole context of the situation.

1512
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: You asked him what he thinks about this young man,

1513
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 2: and he said, I'm okay.

1514
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 7: I said I'm the truth.

1515
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 6: Truth.

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Speaker 3: That's what happened.

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Speaker 2: All that.

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Speaker 7: We got to have that man the truth like that.

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Speaker 1: So this is streaming on Netflix right now for your

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Speaker 1: as you don't know, going there and check it out.

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Speaker 1: Rachel as someone who was there around that, around that team, thoughts,

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Speaker 1: I had so.

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Speaker 8: Interesting watching Aunt there because here's a guy who definitely

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01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 8: ran out of gas a bit at the end of

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01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 8: the playoffs, right the Western Conference Finals. Whether it was

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Speaker 8: just the energy level, whether it was just getting that

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01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 8: much attention, defensive attention and sort of having it come

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01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 8: with it to the level that we saw at certain

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Speaker 8: times during the playoffs, having to do that every night

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Speaker 8: of a Western Conference finals. So I was super interested

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Speaker 8: going into Paris what he would be like around the

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Speaker 8: other guys, if he would be like I'm the one,

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01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 8: I'm number one, which he said during Trading Camp member right,

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Speaker 8: He's like, I'm number one on this team. But he

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Speaker 8: did really when we were in Paris, seemed to show

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01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 8: a lot of deference to the Kds, to the Lebron's,

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Speaker 8: and you saw that in the documentary. Even with the

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01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 8: shit he was talking to Obama, you can see how

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01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 8: he is. He's kidney candy store around Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Durant taken up.

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Speaker 8: And I loved watching that because then whenever it looks

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01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 8: like it might not be this year. But whenever he

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Speaker 8: gets back to the Western Conference finals, and he will,

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Speaker 8: You and I both know he will get back to

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01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 8: a conference finals at some point he will be a

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Speaker 8: different guy in part because of these experiences.

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Speaker 6: M hm.

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Speaker 1: Before we get you out of your rate, we are

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01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: coming to the end. And whether it's two three with Braun,

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Speaker 1: who knows, maybe four when those three are gone, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: Steph and Lebron, who do you kind of see?

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Speaker 2: Is there a face?

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Speaker 1: And someone asked Katie this the other day and he's like,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean? What does the face mean? There's

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01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: a lot that comes with it, good and bad. Who

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Speaker 1: were is it?

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Speaker 2: Will it be by committee? Will?

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01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: Is there one guy that stands out to who do

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01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: you think is going to carry that torch moving forward?

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Speaker 1: And isn't an American player?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I mean, look, I covered Michael Jordan both when he

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Speaker 8: was playing and then leaving the league multiple times. I

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Speaker 8: covered him Chicago when he retired and who was the

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Speaker 8: next Jordan? Then I covered him in DC? Then it

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01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 8: was who's the next Jordan? And it was first of

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01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 8: all we had like eight guys labeled the next Jordan?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 8: Remember the herald Minor conversation Grant Hill, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 8: No one's ever the next steph Curry, Kevin Durant or

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Speaker 8: Lebron James. It's usually there's a little void kind of

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Speaker 8: right after guys like that retire, where people are feeling

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01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 8: around and then someone emerges. Lebron James emerged right he

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Speaker 8: was drafted right when Michael finally quit. Like I think,

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Speaker 8: to me, if I had to speculate now, I would say,

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01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 8: Victor Webbin Yama this injury, notwithstanding Anthony Edwards, guys like

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Speaker 8: that are going to be the future face of the league.

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Speaker 8: I am still on record that depending you know. Look, obviously,

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Speaker 8: if there's some huge health thing, I can't predict that.

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Speaker 8: But if he goes on to play a normal career,

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Speaker 8: Victor Webbin Yama to me, is going to be a

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Speaker 8: top ten of all time player, and so I.

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Speaker 9: Think he is your next face of the league. It's

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Speaker 9: just gonna take a while.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a wrap. Rachel.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your time, looking forward to having you back.

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Speaker 2: Unplug.

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Speaker 1: You can catch us on all the Smoke Productions, YouTube

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Speaker 1: and the Draft Kings Network. We'll see y'all next week.