1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: I AM six forty. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 3: I'm Doug mcaenteur in for John and Kennon I guess 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 3: I'm in for John and Ken until I guess on 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 3: Tuesday it becomes the John Cobbolt Show, right yep. So 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: if you missed yesterday's farewell to Ken after his amazing career, 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 3: you can find that on the iHeartRadio app, which you 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 3: should be listening to anyway online of KFI AM six 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 3: forty dot com forward slash listen and I'll be with 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: you till four o'clock today. Deborah Mark over there, Ed 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: Nelson behind the board, and it is the first day 13 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: of Hanukkah, and of course, this Honukkah and this holiday 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: season is caught up, of course in the horrific post 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: October seventh events of the attacks in Israel. And how 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: ironic we're talking about it on the eighty second anniversary 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: of Pearl Harbor Day, because these dates are the ones 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 3: that are etched forever in culture's history. December seventh, nineteen 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: forty one, nine to eleven obviously is another one, and 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: October seventh, for israelis and for Jews and for basically 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 3: Western civilization will always be remembered. And the ripple effect 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: is amazing, including we'll get into this in greater detail 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 3: later on. The state of California has an official tree 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 3: lighting ceremony every year up in Sacramento. Everybody does this, right, 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 3: they have an official tree lighting. Sarah Mals have one, 26 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: but we canceled art. We didn't cancel it. We made 27 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: it a virtual event and pre recorded and then you 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: could download the tree lighting in Sacramento because the fears 29 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: of protesters and possible violence. So this is also true 30 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: for people who would put up honika, minoras and any 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 3: kind of overt symbolism of Judaism. And there are certainly 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: people who are anti Muslim and anti Palestinian as well, 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: but it's it's just fraught with uh with baggage this year, 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: and of course as we speak, Hanukkah is being celebrated 35 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: at Israel and the war continues. And to give us 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: the very latest on what's actually taking place on the ground, 37 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: it's a pleasure to welcome back to the show, Jordana Miller. 38 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: Jordana, how are you. 39 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 4: I'm okay. It's the first night of Hanukkah here, but 40 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 4: you know, it doesn't it doesn't feel as light and 41 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: joyous as it usually does. Obviously, it feels like, you know, 42 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 4: there's so much heaviness here and then we're we're lighting 43 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 4: a candle and hoping, you know, it will sustain a 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: little bit of light. There were some nice h montages 45 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 4: on the Israeli news tonight of some of the hostages, 46 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 4: you know, with their families lighting the lighting the first night, 47 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 4: you know, the Hanukia with their families, and that was nice. 48 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 4: But you know, we're in the middle of war, and 49 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 4: it is it is very difficult. Well, it's difficult. 50 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: It's been true for time immemorial that when these horrific 51 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 3: tragedies and periods of war that come all too frequently, 52 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: and we're kind of we're torn in two directions because 53 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: it's a very sobering reality, and yet the human spirit 54 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: needs these celebrations in order to keep going. And we 55 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: did it through World War Two, we did it through 56 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: you know, the Civil War. In fact, Thanksgiving Holiday in 57 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 3: America of course, was born of a proclamation from Abraham 58 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: Lincoln during this Civil War when every death was an 59 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: American death, and it was horrific, but it definitely, as 60 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: I mentioned in my preamble to this hour, even here 61 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: in the States, we're seeing a ripple effect where people 62 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 3: are reluctant to put up the noors. People who stayed 63 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: the state of California didn't want to have a live 64 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 3: Christmas tree lighting for fear of protests and possible violce. 65 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 66 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to say, I am just disgusted and 67 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: shocked by some of the stuff that's going on in 68 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 4: the United States. You know, the anti Semitism, young kids chanting, 69 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 4: you know, from the river to the sea, and they 70 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 4: don't even know what it means, right, I mean, you 71 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 4: know that chant essentially means, you know, no Israel, throw 72 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 4: the Jews in the sea. You know it's it is. 73 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 4: And they think they're supporting you know that they're very 74 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 4: liberal and this is a kind of progressive view when 75 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 4: it is so hateful, you. 76 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: Know, well, there are there are real consequences, Jordana, As 77 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: you know, there are real consequences to being historically ignorant, 78 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: and and this is one of them, and and and 79 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: trying to divine positions based on memes as opposed to 80 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: actual knowledge. We are talking about your Dana Miller. ABC 81 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: News corresponded in Jerusalem. Can you give us the latest 82 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: on the actual events on the ground. Obviously, the war continues, 83 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: and I'm particularly fascinated by the reports that the IDF 84 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: is considering the broad in giant pumps, according to British media, 85 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 3: anyway to flood some of the not some of all 86 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: of the terrorist tunnels and bring the terrorists above ground, 87 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: amas above ground. 88 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: Well, so, first, on the ground, there is intense fighting 89 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 4: now in southern Gaza and han Yunas, which is the 90 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 4: large the second largest city, but the largest Hamas stronghold, 91 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 4: and that is going to be weeks and weeks of 92 00:05:54,440 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: intense you know, urban warfare. You know, us have spiders 93 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 4: and tunnels and you know, weapons, weapons stored all over 94 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 4: and it's going to be a very challenging battle there. 95 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 4: Also because so many civilians are just to the east 96 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 4: of Conunis, because Israel asked and many gouzens you know, 97 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 4: you know, came and traveled south from the north to 98 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 4: the south and left Gaza City, which was the first 99 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 4: arena of Israel's war. There's still a lot of fighting 100 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 4: going on as well in the Javali refugee camp. The 101 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 4: Shaziah neighborhood in central Gaza. So, you know, the Israeli 102 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 4: Army boatsmen describes it as really the most intense combat 103 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: since the war started. And we've seen the death toll 104 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 4: on the isly sides just sore. In the last few days, 105 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 4: you know, twelve fifteen soldiers have died forty eight hours, 106 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 4: which compared to the first part of the wars quite 107 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 4: a lot. And the former head of the Israeli Army, 108 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 4: Dottie Eisencott, who's currently one of the generals in the 109 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 4: war cabinet, his son was killed today in Gaza, so 110 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 4: it's also kind of a national tragedy. And on the 111 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 4: question of the water, seawater being pumped into the tunnels, 112 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 4: that story originally it was originally reported by the Wall 113 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 4: Street Journal, actually, and there are you know, there are 114 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 4: photographs and it looks like tubes from the sea going 115 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 4: into but it's mostly now at the Alshati refugee camp, 116 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: which is in northern Gaza, where they don't believe there 117 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 4: are any of the hostages, and it looks like Israel 118 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: appears to be they will use seawater, but it won't 119 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: be the only method bill used to destroy the tunnel. 120 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: Okay, got it. Jordana, thank you so much for being well. 121 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: This is appreciated. Jordana Melo, ABC News correspondent, Jerusalem, Stay safe, 122 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 3: and we certainly pray for some kind of a better 123 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: resolution to this horrific situation. And as I said, it's 124 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: got a long tail. Yeah, absolutely, it's got a long tail. 125 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: We're gonna deal with this later on the Christmas tree 126 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: lighting ceremony in California at the State Tree, which I 127 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: didn't even know we had. I'm not gonna it's not like, 128 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: you know, it's like the grove has a Christmas tree, right, 129 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: We've got a Christmas tree. But the fact that the 130 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 3: long tail of this war, the terrorist attack of October seventh, 131 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: and the horrific loss of civilian life on the Palestinian 132 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 3: side obviously as well as the many Israelis who were murdered, 133 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: has produced this this schism in America that the lighting 134 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: of the tree at Rockefeller Center required a cauldron of 135 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: NYPD in order to keep protesters from disrupting that ceremony. 136 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: So it's it's very ten times, to say the least. 137 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: Here at KFI, by the way, yesterday we had quite 138 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 3: an event. The farewell broadcast of Ken Champeaux after so many, 139 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: many incredible years with John, and I'm proud to be 140 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: in for them and now and the show course on 141 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: Tuesday of next week will officially become the John Cobbolt Show. 142 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: And one of the things that's most amazing about their 143 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: incredible career is that these guys left their partnership after 144 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 3: all these years voluntarily and as real friends. And I 145 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 3: can't tell you, I worked in this business a long time, 146 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: how really astonishing that is, because if you do this 147 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: every day with partners, you end up having bickering fights 148 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: like a married couple or something like that. I mean, 149 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, Deborah Mark hasn't spoken to me 150 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: now since the elevator, right, I mean, I don't know 151 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 3: how things went so bad so fast, but this happens. 152 00:09:58,960 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: It does happen. 153 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: In fact, she said, I'll talk to you on the air, 154 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: only off the air, eyes averted. 155 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: But I mean, it really is. 156 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: And you've got a sense listening to I listened to 157 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: the whole thing, the whole show yesterday. He really got 158 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 3: that sense of the real friendship and camaraderie and respect 159 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: and affection that Ken enjoyed. 160 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: And I will tell the story. 161 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: I told it to John last time I saw him 162 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: that when I was at the other station, Acrosstown, I 163 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: actually had to stop their brilliance cost them a listener, 164 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 3: and the listener was me because I listened every day. 165 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: But I had to stop listening because I was just 166 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: absorbing what. 167 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: They were doing, and I wasn't even aware of it. 168 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 3: Once I'm doing the morning show over there and I 169 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: called some hack a spokeshole. 170 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: I actually said it out loud, and I said, I 171 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: can't use that word. That's John and Ken's word. I 172 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: can't say that on the air of here. 173 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: And then I realized I can't listen anymore because I 174 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: was just I was just starting to pull it into 175 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: my DNA as a broadcaster. So anyway, I applaud that 176 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: amazing career. We got a lot to talk about. Speaking 177 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: of amazing careers, one of the cultural giants of the 178 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: twentieth and into the twenty first century and beyond died 179 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: at the incredible age of one hundred and one years 180 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 3: of age, and he was a dynamo. 181 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: To the very end. 182 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: And of course we're talking, you know about Norman Lear 183 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: and joining us in just a bit as an old buddy. 184 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 3: He is a writer producer. He worked while he worked 185 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: on Archie Bunker's place. He was writing Archie Bunker worked 186 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: with Norman Lay for five years. 187 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: His name is Fred Ruben. He's going to join us 188 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: in just a bit. 189 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 190 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: A six forty. 191 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 3: Tips, Ahwaii. Americans are not happy about getting hit up 192 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: for tips. Pretty much everywhere you're going up for surgery, 193 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to hit the tip jar. Otherwise the anaesthesiologist. 194 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You want a little extra gas, 195 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: It'll put something in the tip box. One of the 196 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 3: great giants of culture, of American culture passed away, as 197 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: you know, Norman Lair, at one hundred and one, and 198 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: it's easy to say, Okay, he lived a long life. 199 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 3: Let's put that life into context. If you are younger 200 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: than the all in the family generation, then you take 201 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 3: for granted the freedom of people in television and film 202 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 3: to say and talk about issues across the board, whatever 203 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 3: the issues are. 204 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: That was not the case before Norman Lair. 205 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: To say that he was a pioneer, I mean he 206 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 3: was old enough he was actually almost an actual pioneer. 207 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: But I mean he was truly a game changer for 208 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: the pop culture, especially in the age of mass communication. 209 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: All in the Family was a radical departure from Father 210 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: Knows Best and leave it to Beaver, where the most 211 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: controversial issues were discussed in a comedic fashion, but with 212 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: a real sense of reality. And by the way, he 213 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: had the intellectual and moral integrity to allow really both 214 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: sides to have their say. Because Archie became a cultural 215 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 3: icon to millions of Americans. 216 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that was. 217 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 3: The original intention, but when he became sort of a 218 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: spokesperson for the blue collar kind of guy, they didn't 219 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: back away from that. While Mike Stiffck and the others 220 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 3: might have made the argument for the liberal position. Gentlemen, 221 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: is with us right now? Wrote for Archie Bunker. He 222 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: was one of the writer producers of Archie Bunker's Place. 223 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: He worked with Norman Lear for five years. It's a 224 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: pleasure to welcome Fred Rubin. Fred, thanks so much for 225 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: being with us today. 226 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 5: Well, thanks thanks for having me. Doug. It's a pleasure 227 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 5: to be here, and I welcome the opportunity to talk 228 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 5: a little bit about Norman and what he did. 229 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: I want to get to Norman's patriotism before we wrap here, 230 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 3: because that's a big part of his life and I 231 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 3: know that it meant a lot to you. But first 232 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 3: I want to ask you because you literally wrote one 233 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 3: of the most memorable episodes. You co wrote one of 234 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 3: the most memorable episodes in the history of television, which 235 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 3: was Archie alone after Edith, but the death of Edith 236 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: Bunker basically where the whole country wept, I mean really wept. 237 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: I mean this might sound crazy to folks, but Archie 238 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: and Edith were family to America, even people who didn't 239 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: share their politics. Could you talk to us about that 240 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: character and what it was that made that character resonate 241 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: so deeply with America. 242 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 5: Now, are you referring to Archie or Edith? 243 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: Well both of them? Really? 244 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I think that as you know, the language 245 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 5: that Archie used had never been used on television anytime before. 246 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 5: The reality of who he was, the realness of who 247 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 5: that character was, was astonishing. And yet at the same time, 248 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 5: I think what made the show so popular and made 249 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 5: the characters so popular, Every American had somebody like that 250 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 5: in their family. Whether you were liberal or whether you 251 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 5: were conservative, everybody knew somebody like Archie Bunker, and in fact, 252 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 5: I think Archie Bunker became the literal catchphrase for people 253 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 5: like him. And I think one of the reasons the 254 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 5: show was so successful was because of the similarity between 255 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 5: Archie and and Somebody and everybody's family. And one of 256 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 5: the great things about it was Norman allowed it to 257 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 5: show both sides, not only the Archie character, but the 258 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 5: Mike and Gloria character, which represented all the liberals in 259 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 5: the country. So people love the show because of Archie, 260 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 5: and people love the show because of Mike and Gloria. 261 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 5: And Edith was just this lovely, real caring, beautiful, love 262 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 5: bull human being who put up with Archie and put 263 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 5: up with Mike and Gloria, and people love the show 264 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 5: because of her too well. 265 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: One of the things that when you look at it, 266 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: even at this late date, that just jumps onto the 267 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:22,239 Speaker 3: screen is the humanity of these characters, and the complexity 268 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: of Archie Bunker, who had all these hard opinions and 269 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: harsh attitudes about life, and yet there was a real 270 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 3: beating heart under all of that. And I think that 271 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: came across part of that was the genius of Carol 272 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: O'Connor's nuanced performance, but a lot of it was in 273 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: the writing and the vision for the show. 274 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I think that the original creation of that show, 275 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 5: they put a lot of thought into who those characters 276 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 5: would be, and I think it's important. It's not often 277 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 5: mentioned that was another series from England. It originally had 278 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 5: been another series called Steptoe and Son, and that Norman 279 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 5: had the wherewithal, on the foresight to pick up that 280 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 5: series and transpose it to America and give it true 281 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 5: American characters that everybody could relate to. But of course 282 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 5: the acting of Carol O'Connor and Gene Stapleton was one 283 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 5: of the things that made it so so exceptional. 284 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 3: We'll talk about Fred Rubin, who is a writer, producer 285 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 3: on Archie Bunker's Place, work with Norman Lear for five years. 286 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: You know. 287 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: The irony is that I don't think the show could 288 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: be done today. I don't think network would put it 289 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 3: on the air because we've gone in the opposite direction 290 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: in an attempt to undo the sort of Archie Bunkerism 291 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: of the universe, we've actually kind of scrub TV of 292 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 3: this kind of a balanced, nuanced discussion. Fred, before we wrap, 293 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you to talk about Norman's patriotism 294 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 3: because you worked with them on the People for the 295 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 3: American Way as well, and he really was an old 296 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: school patriot who really put his money where his mouth was. 297 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 5: Absolutely. I was actually at the rally. 298 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: Uh. 299 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 5: It was a gigantic rally when he formed People for 300 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 5: the American Way, and it was it was pretty it 301 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 5: was pretty radical in its way. But he formed this 302 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 5: organization that was really I think important to all Americans 303 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 5: because it championed free speech and it championed the kinds 304 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 5: of positive things that America is known for. And it 305 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 5: was I think it made it for me another exciting 306 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 5: reason to work UH for the Norman Lear organization, because 307 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 5: he was political as well outspoken, and he often had 308 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 5: the views that his characters had as well as well 309 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 5: as the people that worked for he was. He was 310 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 5: an amaze human being. 311 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: Fred. 312 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your recollections and your experience. We 313 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: appreciated Fred Rubin who worked on Archie Bunker's place. When 314 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 3: we come back, tips a hay, we're getting sick of 315 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 3: tipping everybody everywhere, and may I invite you this Saturday 316 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: as in Saturday from noon to two, I'll be a 317 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 3: David k Books from noon to two pm right a 318 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: Ventura Boulevard between Shoop and Fallbrook under their big yellow 319 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 3: sign signing my book Frank Shadow, which is also available 320 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: at Barnes and Noble and Amazon. But if you'd like 321 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: to come out and say hello, I'd love to see you. 322 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 2: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 323 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: AM six. 324 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 3: Forty online at KFI AM six forty dot com. Forward 325 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: slash Listen coming up. I want to know where my 326 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 3: invitation was to this Hollywood a holiday party. It is 327 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 3: holiday party season and those of you who are actually 328 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: going to an office Christmas party, beware, many a career 329 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 3: has gone up like the Hindenburg at a holiday Christmas party. 330 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 3: So we'll get into that in just a bit. If 331 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: you've been out and have you done any shopping at all, Deborah, 332 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: have you shopped? You've done some holiday shopping? Have you 333 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: left a tip? Have you gone to Nordstroms and left 334 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: tip for the folks that know you cheap? Unbelievable? Right, unbelievable? 335 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 5: Ed? 336 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 3: Have you done any holiday to get that Raiders Christmas 337 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: hat as a gift or to pay for that? 338 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: You know what? I had this for a couple of years. Okay, 339 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: so this is being in a closet. But I been 340 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of Christmas shopping so far. Yeah. 341 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 3: Absolutely, have you been generous? Have you been like Santa 342 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: with the tip jar take that as a no. I'll 343 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 3: take that as a no. 344 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: And I know Bellio is not tipping anybody. 345 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: And here's the reason I bring this up because, as 346 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: you know, in the last cup and this is like 347 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: a post COVID thing, or a COVID into one of 348 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 3: the many things that blew up during COVID. It's like 349 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 3: technology meets Doctor Fouci, a perfect storm of things coming 350 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: at us. Well, all of a sudden, it's pretty much 351 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 3: wherever you go. Now, if you're paying with a credit card, 352 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 3: they turned that screen towards you, and after you've tapped 353 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 3: your card or you've swiped it, they offer you the 354 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 3: opportunity to leave a tip, and there's no tip, and 355 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 3: then there's ten, fifteen, twenty percent or a custom all right. 356 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: And the Pew Research people say we hate it, that, 357 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: we absolutely hate it. 358 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: We don't like it. 359 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 3: Two thirds of Americans is saying fully on this bank 360 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 3: rate came up with the same thing. They did a 361 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 3: survey two thirds of Americans had a negative view of tipping. 362 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 6: I think we should get rid of tipping altogether. 363 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: Well, you want to go live in Europe, yes, while 364 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 3: about one third felt that tipping culture was out of control. 365 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 3: You know when I first, by the way, a couple 366 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: of examples of this. It's one guy Ted Rossman is 367 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 3: a senior industry analyst at bank Rate. He said he 368 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: was at Newark Liberty International Airport, which is already drawn 369 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 3: a short straw in life. 370 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: Trust me on that one. 371 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: You fly Spirit to Newark and you're having a bad day, 372 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: all right. But anyway, he's at Newark's Liberty International Airport 373 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 3: and he was taken aback when he was asked to 374 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: tip at a pick your own strawberry farm. No wait, 375 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 3: that's not at the airport. This was a self serve 376 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 3: checkout station. The self serve checkout station was offering on 377 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 3: the opportunity to tip the self serve machine, I guess. 378 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: And then he was also asked to tip at a 379 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: pick your own strawberry farm. You're doing all the labor others, 380 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 3: like you know, being asked to tip at Ralph's. You're 381 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: you're you're checking out your own groceries and bagging them 382 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 3: and then what you're gonna leave a tip? 383 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 6: How come we don't get tips for talking on the radio? 384 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: Oh wait a second, you haven't been tipped? 385 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 6: Oh I haven't you have? 386 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: Well, I've got a Okay. 387 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 6: I'm sending Robin an email right now. 388 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 3: I have a Vimeo thing going on the side here anyway, 389 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 3: So you know, when this started creeping in is a 390 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 3: few years back. It's quite a few years ago now, 391 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 3: when all of a sudden, the housekeeping staff at the 392 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: Day's Inn and the Red roof In somehow got the 393 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 3: word out that we're supposed to leave a couple of 394 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 3: bucks for every night that you stay in some flophouse. 395 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 3: And at first I thought, that's ridiculous. It's not my 396 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 3: job to pay this. I mean, I'm paying the salary 397 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 3: of these people through the room rates, right. That's the 398 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: concept is that you go into a store and you 399 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 3: pay the freight, and eventually you're going to be paying 400 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 3: the salary of the people that work there anyway, because 401 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: that's baked into the price of the products. But for 402 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: some reason, the hotel, well we know the reason, because 403 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: they hired a lot of people in the country illegally 404 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 3: and they could basically drop a dime on the I 405 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 3: ins or ice or whatever it is called this week 406 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 3: and threaten people. So they wanted the basically cash tips 407 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: left on the dresser or wherever you want to leave 408 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 3: it in the rooms on your way out the door. 409 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: So after grousing about it, then I started doing it. 410 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 3: Now I usually leave three to five bucks for every night. 411 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 3: And by the way, if I inexplicably end up staying 412 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 3: in some upscale place that's really expensive. In other words, 413 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 3: I went to New York because there was no cheap place. 414 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 3: I want to tell you, honest, gott true story. I 415 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: went to New York about ten years ago, and for 416 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 3: whatever reason, everything was seven hundred dollars a night. I 417 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: mean unless I wanted to stay out in Jackson Heights, 418 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 3: Queen's or someplace, everything was seven hundred dollars a night. 419 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 3: And I just refused to do it. So I checked in. 420 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 3: I've been laughing now thinking about this. I checked into 421 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: the YMCA. I got a room at the WYMCA. This 422 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 3: is this is like less than ten years ago. I 423 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: got because I just it was just pure stubborn. 424 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 1: And my wife got so mad on when she found out. 425 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: And of course when you're now now you're in basically 426 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: a hostel with a bunch of Dutch tourists, you know, 427 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 3: college kids with backpacks and bogs. So I'm at the 428 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 3: YMCA and there's about five inches between the bottom of 429 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: the door and the floor. So there was so much 430 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 3: sleeping in a prison cell where they keep the lights 431 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 3: on in the hallway, there's no way I was going 432 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 3: to sleep. I went across the street to a target 433 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 3: that was open all night, and I bought two pillows 434 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 3: in a blanket because they also did the blanket at 435 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: the YMC. And here I'm leaving out the most important thing. 436 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: The YMCA was one hundred and fifteen dollars a night 437 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 3: for what the YMCA to stay at the y this 438 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 3: is ten years ago, was one hundred and fifteen dollars 439 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: a night. But all the hotels anywhere near where I 440 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 3: wanted to stay in New York was seven dollars a night. 441 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: So anyway, I digress. 442 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: The point is you're staying in a place where it's 443 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: staggeringly expensive. Are you gonna really leave three dollars three 444 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 3: stinked dollars? You can't even get a Starbucks for that 445 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: so inevitably I end up dropping more than that if 446 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 3: I'm staying one of these places. But now it's everywhere. 447 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't matter where you go. Every place 448 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 3: you go, there's the machine. And now it's totally on 449 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 3: you because the person who is spinning the screen and 450 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: asking you to tip them, it's them. 451 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: It's like, what are you gonna hit? No? 452 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 4: Tip? 453 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 6: I do? 454 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 5: Oh? 455 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 6: I do. 456 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 7: It's embarrassing, but you know, come on, I tip when 457 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 7: it's appropriate to tip, even though I have my own 458 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 7: feelings about tipping, as you probably can realize what they are, 459 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 7: but I hate that. 460 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 6: Well, then they stand there and they're waiting to see 461 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 6: what you. 462 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: Tak Okay, Deborah, let me remind you something. 463 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 3: Okay, when you take an uber or a lift and 464 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 3: you rate the driver, yeah, now the driver can rate 465 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: you now, all right? And this is the other this 466 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 3: is the other downside of the digital universe that we 467 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: live in. So all of these little tip opportunities that 468 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 3: they're lovingly presenting to us, it's a two way straight. 469 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 3: So the next time you call your hairdresser for an 470 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 3: appointment at the last minute, the next time you're trying 471 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 3: to get a ride share to come and pick you 472 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 3: up because you had too much at the KFI Christmas 473 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: party and you can't figure out where you parked your car. 474 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 3: All right, good luck getting somebody to pick you up. 475 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 3: Because the words on the street, Deborah Mark not a tipper. 476 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 2: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 477 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 2: AM six forty. 478 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: Repercussions are huge. We'll be talking more about that later on. 479 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 3: I'm Doug mcatarre in for John and Ken, and next 480 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 3: hour I'm going to throw out the topic of why 481 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: do you hate electric cars? Some of you hate electric 482 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 3: cars the way other people hate oil and gas, and 483 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 3: it's really weird to me that people actually have real 484 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 3: hatred for inanimate objects, for commodities. But we'll get into 485 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 3: that in just a bit. I also want to remind 486 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 3: you again this Saturday, I'm going to be at David 487 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 3: K Books in Woodland Hills, right a Ventura Boulevard between 488 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 3: Shoop and Fallbrook from noon to two pm signing my 489 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: novel Frank's Shadow, and I would love to see you 490 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: all out there. If you want to come on out 491 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 3: and say hello, that'll be a lovely thing. It makes 492 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 3: a lovely gift, by the way, and feel free to 493 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 3: buy in bulk, we have to tip you ideally, yes. 494 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 3: So this being the holiday season, the first day of Hanukkah, 495 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 3: and we're going to go into Christmas parties or office parties, 496 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: and that's always fraught with trouble. But it doesn't necessarily 497 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: have to be. Well, here's the as a general rule, 498 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 3: booze and work don't go great together. And I saw 499 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: this story a couple actually more than a couple of 500 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 3: weeks ago in the paper and said, well, I'm saving 501 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 3: this for kfive. I love this headline alone tells you 502 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 3: everything you want to know. Suit claims work event led 503 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 3: to sex and vomiting. I don't know where's my invitation? Right, 504 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 3: here's the lead paragraph, A company pot luck for employees 505 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 3: of a San Pedro. 506 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: Or is it San Pedro? I've been here forty years. 507 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: I should meet you. 508 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Taco Bell turned into a boozy bash, with one 509 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: worker having sex with his wife in front of spectators 510 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 3: and another vomiting into a guacamole ball. Now, I don't 511 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: know how this doesn't sound like any day of the 512 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 3: week at a Taco Bell, right if you go at 513 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 3: the right hour. 514 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: That certainly was the case. 515 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 3: There was a white Castle Hamburger Place on Northern Boulevard 516 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 3: and Queens That was directly across the street from one 517 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: hundred and eleventh Priescinct House, which existed solely for policing 518 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 3: the White Castle. 519 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: That place, you want to see what that line? 520 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 3: That was the bar scene from Star Wars after a 521 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: Last Call Holy mackerel. Anyway, so three co workers took 522 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 3: part in the party, ended up getting fired. One of 523 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: the workers is suing she was not a participant, but 524 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: she's suing the owner of the franchise in Taco Bell. 525 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: It was also described in the Daily News as Christmas 526 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 3: party at Taco Bell turned into a night of debauchery 527 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two. And yet, despite the myriad warnings 528 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 3: we have had about behavior at office parties, and first, 529 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 3: first of all, office parties themselves seem like archaic events 530 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: for exactly this reason, for this, one hundred percent, for 531 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 3: this reason, because people make career ending missions. It's so 532 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 3: easy to get fired in general in modern America, but 533 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: specifically your behavior at an office Christmas party where they're 534 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 3: telling you come on and we're going to have alcohol. 535 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: Oh boy, you're asking for it. I got a job. 536 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: A bunch of years ago, still living in New York. 537 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 3: So this is I don't know, a long time ago. 538 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 3: And I started on like December eleventh was my first 539 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 3: day at work, and the second day at work was 540 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: the Christmas party, which I was invited to as a 541 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 3: brand new employee with all of the old timers. It 542 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 3: was an ad agency in New York and it was 543 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: a big, fancy place. This was on the River Club 544 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 3: on the East River, Dinner, live band. They were raffling 545 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 3: off TV sets and I mean, just incredible stuff. 546 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: Right. 547 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: I knew nobody. I barely knew the person that hired me. 548 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: So this is the booze days. So I'm having a 549 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: good time. 550 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 4: You know. 551 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 3: I got nobody to talk to, so I talked to 552 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 3: the bartender over and over and over again. 553 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 1: And I'm standing there. 554 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: I got a Heineken in my hand, which I never drank, 555 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 3: but hey, they were paying. And there's this guy standing 556 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 3: This kind of dumpy guy had suspenders, his pants wouldn't 557 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 3: stay up otherwise, and he's got a big handlebar mustache 558 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 3: like he's, you know, in a barbershop quartet or something. 559 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 3: You know, he's playing baseball in eighteen ninety and I'm 560 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 3: standing next to this guy. He's got nobody did. Nobody's 561 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 3: talking to him, so I figured he must be the 562 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: new guy too, and I said, IOA, I introduced myself. 563 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 3: He introduces himself and he says, what do you do? 564 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 3: And I said, I'm a copywriter on the Canon account. 565 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: And I said what do you do? And he says, 566 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: I'm the CEO. And I start laughing and I said 567 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: to him, I said, oh, I applied for that job, 568 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 3: but you know it didn't really pay that well, right, chuckle, chuckle, chuckle. 569 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: Forty five minutes later. 570 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, let's welcome the new CEO of the agents, 571 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 3: ay missa. 572 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: And sure enough it's dumpy boy with the mustache. Up 573 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: he comes. 574 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 3: So that's the kind of impression I made at the 575 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 3: UH on day two at the office Christmas party. By 576 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 3: the way, he was drinking Heinekens too, and he was 577 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 3: elbow to elbow with me at the bar grabbing another one. 578 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: He didn't get fired, No I didn't. I didn't, but 579 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: he did. 580 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: As I remember, I don't believe he ever spoke one 581 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 3: word to me for the rest of my time at 582 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 3: that I mean, I don't think I was snubbed. 583 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: I just think I was I was like the fax machine. 584 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: I was just like a thing that was there. 585 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: Anyway, if you can get through your office Christmas party 586 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 3: as just being a thing that was there, you've done well. 587 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: All right, ladies and gentlemen. 588 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 3: Next hour, why do people hate electric vehicles? 589 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: We'll get into that. 590 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: We're gonna update you with Alex Stone on the shooting 591 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 3: in Las Vegas, and a whole bunch of other stuff 592 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: that will come up throughout the course of the program. 593 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 3: We were here to four MacIntyre in for John and Ken. 594 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 6: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 595 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 5: You can always hear us live on CAFI AM six 596 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 5: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 597 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 5: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeart Radio app.