WEBVTT - Jordan Klepper 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.480 This is me, Craig Ferguson. I'm inviting you to come 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:05.920 and see my brand new comedy hour. Well it's actually 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.400 it's about an hour and a half and I don't 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.000 have an opener because these guys cost money. But what 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:13.000 I'm saying is I'll be on stage for a while. Anyway, 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.560 come and see me live on the Pants on Fire 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.720 Tour in your region. Tickets are on sale now and 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.160 we'll be adding more as the tour continues throughout twenty 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.960 twenty five and beyond. For a full list of dates, 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.280 go to the Craig Ferguson show dot com. See you 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:35.000 on the road, my DearS. My name is Craig Ferguson. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:39.440 The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.839 interest in people about what brings them happiness. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.720 Live from Brooklyn, New York City. 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.000 This is the Joy Podcast, coming to you from the 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.680 Kids Super Studios, the tent within the Kids Show. It's 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.520 a long story. Anyway, we're here and my guest today 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:01.840 is some and I'm very excited about talking to it 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.240 because he does political stuff and I don't. But he's 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.920 very good at it and that's probably why he does it. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.000 And I don't look he's very good. He's got a 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:15.800 new special out called Jordan Klepper Fingers the Pulse, Maga 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.559 the Next Generation. He talks to the young, the Young 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.600 magas the name of it, Jordan Klepper Fingers the Pulse. 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:26.000 Gives you a clue as to who is my guest today. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:34.199 It is Jordan Klepper Joy. 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:39.560 You're six foot four, Yeah, very tall, six foot four. 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.399 How does how can you be a tall six foot four? Well? 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.600 I think I say I, I say that you've got 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.040 high hair? Does that add another? Yes? You know the swoop? 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.800 Yeah, you know, like I'm sure you've experimented the buzz, 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:55.760 the short. 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.600 And yeah, yeah, I've done I've done it all. But 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:00.760 now I just go for a lot of product. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.760 Yeah. Just I feel like we're working with the same 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:04.440 stuff here. We have. 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.160 We have long faces, long faces. We're lucky enough to 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:08.320 keep the hair long enough. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:09.880 Do you ever go to a bar and anyone say 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.240 to you, Hey, why the long face? 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.800 Yes? Yeah, I've had that. Yes do you have? 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.880 Are you a compulsive drinker? I look at you and 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.720 I don't see that. That's I wouldn't say compulsive. 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:22.880 I drink. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.359 I drink more than i'd like to drink. I read 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.160 all those articles that come out warning. I mean every 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.800 article comes out tells you drinking is good, except in France. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.959 They always have these things come out in France where 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.320 they say at last of one a day, it would 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:43.120 make you feel fabulous that red wine today cure's heart disease. Apparently, 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:47.720 that's right, stops heart disease, and a cigarette will cure covid. 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.360 He that really nicotine for covid and arthritis. 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.960 I think that's so French. The ivermectin of France. Yes, 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.519 was the horse tranquility? No, it's not a tranquilizer horse. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.160 The horse? Was it a de wormer? I don't know 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.680 it was it was I remember him was primarily used 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.520 on horses, right, to help a horse? Do you have horses? 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:13.320 Do I have horses? Personally? Yeah? Zero horses. Is that 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.720 gonna be a problem with this podcast? Maybe a little bit. 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.400 This is a horse based thing, t I know, mostly 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:20.800 what we talk about is horses. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:21.920 I in my life have. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.040 Three horses, well two and a half. You still have 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.560 the horses, Well I don't have them. I'm married to 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.440 a woman and she likes horses, and she has two 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.960 proper horses and a kind of a backup horse. Really, yeah, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:38.040 in case a shehatland pony. Oh so it's no good 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.760 for anathon? Well, what what is the overall purpose is? 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:42.080 Is it riding? Is a dressage? 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.560 Trisage? I'd like driusage? Do you know who does drisage? 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.480 That's the kind of fancy one. Yeah, William Shatner. No, 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.720 one of the best at it, one of the one 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.560 of the best. He's the Captain Kirk of driusage. 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:57.880 That guy's been to space. 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.240 He's been to space and the heat us quarter horses, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.840 which is it's a whole horse, but they call them 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:04.880 quarter because there's. 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.240 Four of them for them. Turn your feet and turn 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:08.640 your head. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:13.160 And no, I think that uh he said he started 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.920 because have you ever met William Shanner. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.800 No, it's a treat in store. I believe it. 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.440 Oh man, I was actually watching William Shatner video recently 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:24.240 of him coming back from space. That that is haunting 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.560 in the clarity that he had in space. And I 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.240 think the feeling he felt was like grief and despair 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.200 for like humanity and what have you. And he was 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:37.240 sharing that at the same time, Jeff Bezos was celebrating 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:38.400 with his girlfriend. 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.160 Yes, yeah, you can see. 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.159 Like the the disconnect between somebody having an actual experience 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:44.560 and somebody else tried to sell it. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.680 I wonder why Jeff Bezos didn't go to space. Does 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:47.880 see has he gone to space? 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:56.400 I'd like to see him go with the Titanic Submarines. Jeff, 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.640 it'll be fine. It's kind of like an uber underwater. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.000 You're quite though, quite the explorers. Yeah. 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.240 I have to say I'm not a huge fan of 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:06.640 Jeff Bezos. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:07.799 Do you not like the product? 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.839 I love his product. I mean I love the Amazons. Yeah, 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.760 but uh, workout regime? Are you a fan of that? 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.279 I don't know the workout regime? Well, he just looks 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.560 quite Oh yeah, he's jacked, doesn't he? Is? 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.880 He very small? He feels very small. 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:26.520 Yeah, feels hairless and small and but suddenly bulging in 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:27.479 ways that he that. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:32.080 I wasn't inconceivable years ago. Do you think you got 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:33.440 them delivered overnight? 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:34.520 Oh? 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.440 Yeah, Well, if he pays for the prime, it's almost 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:38.039 it's almost a crime not to get them. It's a 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:39.760 crime note to pay for the prime. There you are, 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.120 that's I'll take my million dollars. 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.920 I don't know. Do you use it? Yes? Yes, I mean, 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:46.719 I have the time. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:51.159 I know, I feel like it's it's there was a COVID. 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.760 I feel like created. You can make an argument as 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.479 to why you're using it so often and now it's left. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.960 It's in a place where I also have a child 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:01.080 who constantly wants things. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:05.760 Do you constantly want to aged? Age? 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.159 Is your kid age of a four and a half 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.279 year old? He's he's aged in that direction. 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.320 Yeah, they're that's that's a good place to be between 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.120 about three and thirteen. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:18.360 They're awesome. It's a great place. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.080 But they constantly want and they also constantly know that 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.040 there is a device that exists in our house that 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.600 we are sometimes looking on that. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.479 Can get anything they want. When are you going to 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.839 give them a phone? Oh? My god? I mean I 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:33.240 think teenage years I read it. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.680 You know, there's a good luck what there's like a 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.480 Jonathan hypebook The Anxious Generation. Yeah, that's all about like 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.919 I think social media when you're sixteen, I think phone 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.240 when you're fourteen. I've heard there's like a hack with 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.960 a giving them a smart watch that can just call home. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.320 Maybe early on my sister's doing something like that. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:56.400 How is it going for? Is it successful just started. Yeah, 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.440 because I have a fourteen year old is my youngest, 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.159 And he said a phone since he was about eleven. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:02.880 Is that right? 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:07.360 Not on social media, but internet access on that phone. Yeah, 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.760 a little bit limited. I mean you can, you can 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:11.960 kind of. And I always say to him, you know, 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:17.840 no porn. So I'm sure he's like, yeah, okay. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.560 Great, dad said so I well, yeah, it sounds like 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:21.680 you're You've really set. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:22.720 Up the boundaries very clear. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.280 I'm a fairy or what they call a helicopter parent. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.400 I was going to say, you really they put in 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.200 the work itself. Well, you know, my wife's very. 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:30.520 Good at it. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.000 Yeah, she's very kind of on top of it. I 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.920 I resist, I have this. I wonder if you do this. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.480 I've talked to a lot of performers and people who 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:40.120 are in sure. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:41.720 Business to do this. I have. 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.240 I have a social media accounts, but I go on 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.120 I dump and then I delete the app, and then 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.440 I go on get the app sign and then delete 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.120 the app before it gets me every time every time. 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:55.920 How often then do you read download? 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.280 Uh? Probably a couple of times a week. Okay, yeah, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.800 and that's about it. But it doesn't take that long. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.760 Yeah, yeah, I've added the I've added the time restraints 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.000 onto my phone, so I have like, ok, twenty minutes 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:08.720 of my phone. 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.280 Like shuts off. But then I can add a code 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:12.520 and I enter a code, and then I can get 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.280 it back. And so I've achieved that. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.200 So there's I think it's important to put the speed bumps, 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:18.920 but I'm still driving through them. 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:20.640 I think it's well. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.720 I mean, at least you question yourself a little bit 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.520 if you're going through it. I started doing a thing 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.160 like about a week ago. I thought I would just 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.120 like to just pick up a book and read again 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.560 at night, you know, and before you go to sleep. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.160 I've been sleeping. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.520 Great, yeah, like great, Like I was a sixty three 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:40.920 year old man. I should be getting up thre or 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:41.720 four times for a bee. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:42.320 Not even that. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.199 Are you urinating on the book? I'm peeding in the bed. Okay, yeah, 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:51.600 but I'm sleeping the whole line. But it's kind of weird. Yeah, 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.920 I really love it. So I think I was saying 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:55.640 as back. 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.760 To analog for me, I think I'm I mean, I'm 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.199 a I'm a secret lott or perhaps a hopeful ludite. 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.280 I loved that last night. Last night I did. I 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.960 did the book before bed situation, right we read. Well, 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:07.800 I got a couple of things going on right now. Well, 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.320 I got a couple of coffee table books. Sometimes let 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:10.640 me just. 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.240 Look at some art before bed. Yeah, I like it. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:13.600 Got some Bob Dylan books somewhere. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:18.199 I'm interviewing Bill Clinton on the program in a. 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.520 Week, so I'm working through his his book in. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.640 A book with James Patterson. That's a uh it's like 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.880 a thriller. It is, Yeah, he wrote it. 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.080 Did either one of them show up for this book? 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.760 I feel like James Potterson that Bill Clinton kind of 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:34.920 have a It's like what was his name, Lixton Steining. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:36.480 He would come in and go, yeah, this is this 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.840 is great, keep going and then walk up. I think 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.400 Patterson has a team. This is what I've heard, you 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.600 know that. I think some of these big time authors 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.080 have a crew that as symbol is literature. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.400 Is that really writing? Then? 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.960 I don't you know, you're curating. I think it's like 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:56.080 first step AI in some ways. Yeah, it's like that's 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.600 the thing. I'm sure I could write you a Partison novel. 0:09:58.640 --> 0:09:59.400 No, sure, Yeah, I. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.800 Mean I think like they probably feed it into AI. 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.440 Understand the I mean, it's it's a novel that clearly, 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.199 to its credit, it is a page turner. It has 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.160 the language of the White House, which I'm sure Bill 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.800 Clinton weighs in on. Yeah, but yeah, it's a genre 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.000 that he's in some ways perfected that I'm sure AI 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:17.120 gets a look at that. I was like, yeah, I 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:17.920 can put one of these off. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.480 Do you use AI in your twenty minute foot in journeys? 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:22.400 I don't. I don't. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:27.359 I mean I've started a little bit on things like restaurants, 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.760 like weird like New York questions, Right, I go to 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.959 that for the first time, But I'm I mean it 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:35.960 makes me feel old. I don't quite know an access 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:37.400 point for a lot of this AI. I'll talk to 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.079 friends to be like, who are using it for work 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:41.640 or for reading emails and stuff like that. 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:46.079 I frankly don't understand that you're here. Claude four, No, 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.240 Claude four is an AI program, right. They were doing 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.120 an experiment with it, and they told it that we 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.800 were going to shut it down. Some guys said, I'm 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.319 going to shut down Claude for and Claude for constructed 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:04.400 blackmail letters letters from the guy who started it, who 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.520 was going to shut him down to his fictional mistress 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.040 and said, if you if you shut me down, I'm 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.960 going to release these today, which it didn't really think 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:14.520 it too, because if you're shut down, it's very hard 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.160 to release anything, you know, but the idea that it 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.440 would try and leverage something to stay alive. 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.720 There's cruelty in AI already. 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.720 You know, self preservation, I get it, humanity, you know, 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.280 it's there's human business AI. 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:31.599 You know what I mean. It's like you gotta do 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.880 what you gotta do when you gotta do kill or 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:35.800 be killed. Right, Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:36.079 a thing. 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.880 You're now, you're I was, I was googling you did 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:40.520 it today? 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:41.599 Congratulations? 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.360 I was actually what was interested in the name Klepper. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.520 I've never heard it before, really Dutch Dutch name. Yeah, 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.120 have you been to Holland? No, you should go. 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:51.760 I know, I know nothing of it. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.000 I know there's a kayak you can stick your finger 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.240 in a dike and save the country. Is that right, 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.040 that's how you saved the country. Yeah, I'm gonn I'm 0:11:58.040 --> 0:11:58.840 gonna quote you on that. 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.000 Well, you're the one that does all the fingering. Jews. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.160 Just take your finger in the dike, and you can 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:04.840 save Holland, Like give me the. 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.720 Halland let me let me save a country. 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.920 Now, No, it's it might be you know, a different 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.960 the translation might be different, but that's what you do. 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.320 That's what the little boy did. Is that based on 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.640 an actual story? Is it a fairy tale of some sort? 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.400 I feel like it's nonsense. There's like, there's a Paul, 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:21.480 but there's probably to me. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.720 I imagine that as like a Davy Crockett situation, right, 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:24.720 or the Paul Bunyan. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:30.679 The kid had a really big fingers, like she's the giant. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.880 Do you know that? Do you know the Christmas Holland thing? 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.760 No, Oh, it's really bad. It's really bad. They have 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:39.960 to get rid of it. It's like a black face. Shoh, 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.600 it's very bad. Yeah, it's Santa and he has I 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:44.640 think nine. 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.400 Black helpers or something. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.720 It's you realize there are some countries that are good 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.640 seventy years behind culturally dealing with these things. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.040 Listen, I when I grew up in Brentain in the 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.959 nineteen seventies, they had a TV show called The Black 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.520 White Minstrel Show. I'm not kidding you really right, And 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.880 it was a guy, white guys black top singing barbershop 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.640 songs on TV on prime Time. 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:11.920 I'm not kidding. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.920 And I was like, whoa And we used to watch it? Yeah, wow, 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:18.960 my parents used to watch them. I don't watch the 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.560 Black and White Minstrel Show, but it was it was 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.360 a real thing, and it was on in Britain in 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.000 the seven I think it made it even into the eighties. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.560 I don't really do we have Google anywhere? Look up 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.120 the Black and White Minstrel Show. Who's the audience for that? 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.720 I think old racist British people, sure, but I don't 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:36.760 even know if they were. I don't even know if 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.080 they would. Yeah, I'm not going to stick up for them. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:45.680 Old racist British people. I think seven made it to 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.079 seventy e A. Is that right? Yeah? 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.480 I think what happened does the sex Pistols came out 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.680 in nineteen seventy six and we're like, you know, maybe 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.160 we should probably get rid of the Black Show. But 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.280 it was a real that's wild, it's crazy, it's crazy. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:13:59.760 You should go over it. Have you been to Britain? 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:01.839 You went to London, didn't it? I did? I did. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.559 I did Foreign study at Goldsmith's in outside London in 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.040 New Cross. So I was there for like six months. 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.000 You like it? I loved it. I mean I think 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:11.200 like Python. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:15.640 Partridge, all that stuff became like like awakened everything in 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:20.680 my head. Oh really, Oh yeah, I mean that's still I've. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.720 Known for years. Oh yeah, I mean I at the 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.560 same time, is that right? Yeah? Yeah? 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.080 That character to me is it's a great incredible it's 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:28.640 a great card. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.240 It's an agent to it. 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:31.920 I think he's done such a good job of using 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.960 like formats, like adapting to formats, podcasting, mid Morning Matters 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:40.400 has such great like short attention span, video stuff, the 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:41.760 fact that they played with sitcom. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.800 I just I think there's so much about that character. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:47.320 Any character stuff barely. I mean I came up in 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.320 the improv sketch world. Well that's what it's going to say, 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.360 because you were in the Upright Citizens Brigade, Right, Yeah, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:52.720 so I was. 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:57.080 I performed there in Second City, in improv, Olympic and Chicago, 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.760 So like, yeah, there's always characters. I think, like, as 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.640 I've gotten older, though, I realized, like my acting range 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:04.960 is slight. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.080 It doesn't need to be much that much. It's status 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:09.600 what I can do. I can do status. I can 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.440 do high status. I can do pretty high status. And 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.360 I say high status and high yes, what about I mean, 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:24.720 I think you could do let's try racist Dutch with 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:28.320 with a giant finger, with a giant finger, I say, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.960 it's the contrary. I don't know if that's a Dutch accent. Yeah, 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.040 that one that that's a fun accent though, right Dutch. 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:35.440 I think it's one of the I think it's one 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.720 of the ones you can do. Like German, you can do. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:41.280 You can do German because because they've still you know, 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.360 world War Two, you can still it's still kind of thing, 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:45.720 you know, it's still talking about it. 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.400 You could do German Dutch. I think you could probably 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.600 pull off because not enough people understand what you're doing. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:51.040 Right. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.760 I don't know that I could do Dutch and jail. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:55.600 I couldn't tell the difference even with a Dutch or 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.640 German parson. I don't think it's like it's like Canada 0:15:58.720 --> 0:15:59.960 and other parts of Canada. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:01.360 Yes, you know Canada. 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:05.520 I'm Midwest too, so Canada gets into northern Michigan as well. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.680 So it's just like that just sounds like a level 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.080 of like niceness or like or yeah, it's like a 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.200 kindness passive aggression to a lot of passive aggress Yeah, 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.240 there's something behind it, but it's a performative nature of 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:17.960 like things are okay. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:25.080 Hello, this is Greig Ferguson and I want to let 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.120 you know I have a brand new stand up comedy 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:31.040 special out now on YouTube. It's called I'm So Happy, 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.680 and I would be so happy if you checked it out. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.200 To watch the special, just go to my YouTube channel 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.360 at the Craig Ferguson Show and is this right there? 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.400 Just click it and play it and it's free. I 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:43.920 can't look. 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.240 I'm not going to come around your house and show 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:46.600 you how to do it. If you can't do it, 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.160 then you can't have it. But if you can figure 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:54.920 it out, it's yours. What about stand ups? I ever 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:56.440 intrigued you as. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.400 A Yes, I do a bit of it now. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.160 I basically when I got the Daily Show, all the 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:03.920 stand ups on The Daily Show were like, you should 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.159 do stand up, right, every stand up thinks you should do. 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.280 You should go do stand up. And so I was like, 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.399 I'll try the stand up thing. And so I've been 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:11.760 doing it for the last few years. I'm going on 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.159 a bit of a tour now I did stand up. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.560 I like stand up, honestly, I as an improv guy, 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.719 you're taught to dislike stand up. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.320 It's such different worlds, at least coming up. Why would 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:23.720 you be told that. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:25.600 I mean, I think like in the world of Chicago, 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.480 coming up, you're either an improv or you were a 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.679 stand up guy. So you pick a site you're like, 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.639 you like solo stuff or you like working as a 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.879 team with a bunch of the theater kids, right. I 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.320 think though I grew out of improv, by the time 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.240 I got Daily Show, it was pretty tired of it, 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.040 and I kind of fell in love with the craft 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.600 of stand up. But also in doing that, became very 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.000 aware of, like how how much work it took to 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.119 get where I wanted to be with it. Like my 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.480 first few shows, I was able to by that point 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.920 at thirty five, having done comedy for fifteen years. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.600 I could put up a show people and watch it. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.840 I could be all right, yeah, And it was really 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.800 frustrating to be like, shoot, I'm all right, yeah, I'd 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.520 really like to be good. 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:05.920 But I'm all right. To be good, I need these 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:06.800 kinds of reps. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.280 I also think that that there's different types of stand up. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.959 I feel like, you know, not just like the individuals, 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.879 but there's actually different. Like I went down to the 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.240 have you been down at the Comedy Seller? And that 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:23.560 village underground, which I thought was is fantastic place. I 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.440 love it down there, and I went for the first 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.560 time last weekend and and then I got up and 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:29.240 did you know. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:32.120 They call it a drop in? I guess. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.919 I did a set at a little short set. I 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:38.960 did it twice over the period of the evening. And 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.520 you know, because the role shows through and you do 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.080 fifteen minutes, and I don't do fifteen minutes. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.199 I do, you know, about ninety to one hundred minutes. 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.240 So in the first set I was like, oh shit, 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.199 I better kind of picked this up a little bit. 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:54.720 And the second set I got it. But it's a 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.600 different It feels like a different instrument. It's like a 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.480 guitar or a banjo, you know what I mean. I 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.280 don't know which one is switch, but the or a 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:07.320 guitar and uh, you know, glockenspiel or something, but they're there. 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.720 It's a different thing because you have to joke, joke, joke. 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:11.800 The rhythm, the rhythms to stand up are so different. 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:13.840 Than the rhythms of improv I think also like an audience. 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.439 I was My first reaction was like, as an improviser, 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.200 an audiences is rooting for you and is cheering along 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.120 the process. And so there there's like a. 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:28.760 Rap attention that holds faces very nice, very very comfortable, 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.320 and then you stand up. But I feel like the 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.040 audience is like sets the clock and it's like go 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.040 and my laugh in every twenty five seconds. 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.440 I was just working. I got used to out a bit. 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.480 That's club stand up, I think, but stand up you 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.400 know when I'm doing a theater, you know, you tell 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.840 stories and you kind of meander, and you got that thing, 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.480 you got that kind of grace to talk and do stuff. 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.320 That's what I kind of shifted over to that in 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:51.760 the last year and a half. That's been so much 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:52.359 nicer because I. 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:53.280 Feel like the club world. 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.000 I would get half the audience wanted me to just 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:57.800 to talk about politic stuff because I knew daily show 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.480 stuff I did, and the other half was pissed I 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:00.600 was talking about politics. 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:02.840 I felt politics for you, though, I mean, I mean 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.080 I made a decision like twenty sixteen actually that I 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.720 would remove it from everything I do everything, everything I do. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:11.080 How is that out of the road? Now? 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.320 Do people still want it? Or they feel like, first, 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:18.280 everybody assumes that you're on the other side, So everybody 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.199 like everyone on the left assumes you're on the right, 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:21.400 everybody on the right assume as. 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:21.920 You're on the left. 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.080 And at first it's kind of like it's it doesn't 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.080 go away. But when you keep talking about it and saying, look, 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.080 I'm not doing it in every interview a game like 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.119 I'm not doing it. And when you do the local 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.760 radio things with Zippy Bingo and the Wiiz to promote 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.119 that show, you know, then I say, look, it's not 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:39.919 about Paul, and I keep doing it. I keep doing it, 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.440 and now they get it. It's like and I think 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:47.520 it's kind of for me, it's a relief. I just 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:51.200 don't want to and I'm kind of I admire because 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.439 I remember talking to Stephen Colbert about this. It's like, 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.159 you know, he ran right at it. Like if I 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.000 was going doing Late Night right now, I'd be like, yeah, 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:00.760 I forget it, And then everyone would hate you for it. 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:06.320 They'd be like, ah, why coward. Yeah, that's exactly what 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:06.800 they would say. 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.240 You say, you're a coward. Yeah, and I'm like why, 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:10.639 I just don't want to. I don't want to get 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.080 into it. I'm sick of listening to people I agree with, 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:17.919 you know, I'm like, the fuck please. But I guess 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.080 when you have that volume of stuff to fill, Yeah, 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.880 policies is great. Oh, because every day there's a new show, 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.240 especially now there's a new show every day. We're going 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.439 in made Canada. Look out Greenland, they're breaking up. 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:34.879 I mean, how much how much Trump do you that 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:36.639 you'd be talking about right now if you're doing a 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:37.480 monologue tonight. 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:40.040 I don't think I would be doing any of it. 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:44.720 I don't think so, because I kind of feel like 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:50.800 I came up during punk rock, right, and particularly British 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:54.280 or really English punk rock, and particularly the pistols and 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:57.159 the kind of the vibe of that and the and 0:21:57.200 --> 0:21:59.840 the kind of the instigator of that was Vivian W. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.320 S Wood and Malcolm McLaren. 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:06.760 And and Vivin and Malcolm were great. The whole thing 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.120 was selling the swindle like it's a swindle, it's a 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:14.120 fucking it's a game, it's a and so the kind 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.800 of the what you kind of gets in your bones 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.720 is like I don't want to be hoodwinked by this fucking. 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:22.040 The great rock and roll swindle. 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:26.960 Yeah, And I feel like politics right now, particularly media coverage, 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.280 is like, you fucking suckers. They're giving you a new 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.960 piece of misdirect every day. Every look at all this 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.679 is going on. That's not the thing. The thing that 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:37.160 you're not looking at is the thing. 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:38.040 Yeah. 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:39.800 And then of course if you go that way, then 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.160 conspiracy theories and I've. 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:42.640 Got a lot of them. 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.080 Yeah, your flat earther, where you're at with the flat 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:50.119 earther contrailsh yeah, yeah, contrails. 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:51.760 Have you ever flown a plane? 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:52.399 No? 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.320 Actually really, yeah, you'd like it. 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:59.680 I guess it's your control free yeah yeah, they're part 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:01.879 of it. Yeah yeah, sure, yeah, it'll appeal to you. 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:03.520 I feel like I just watched the rehearsal of the 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:07.200 Nathan Fielder Show, which I I loved, can't say enough 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.040 good things about it, but boy placed you in the 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.639 I think it really set me into how stressful that 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:13.719 job is. 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:14.640 It's easy. 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.359 I walk on a plane and I'm like, ah, I 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:17.879 bet you push cup buttons. You get on up there 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:19.920 and you're like, oh no. I think like the pressure 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.760 of that I've never jumped out of a plane. O. 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:24.199 I wouldn't do that. You wouldn't do that. 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.480 You'd prepared to jump out of a plane you're flying right, Well, 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.040 I'd rather land the plane. I like the idea of 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:32.320 landing the plane. Wouldn't jump out of a perfectly good 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:36.080 airplane to start going. We that doesn't appeal to me 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:38.119 at all. You have like a you have a pilot's license. 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:38.720 I do. Yeah. 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:40.920 I only did it because I was frightened to fly it. 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:45.720 Really yeah, yeah, which I you know, I thought. And 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:48.399 then I was talking about this on late night actually 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:52.680 to Kurt Russell, who is like a big, tiny aviator. 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:55.200 I mean he's that's really what he does. He acts 0:23:55.240 --> 0:24:00.880 for money to pay for gas. Yeah, And and he said. 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.960 You're not a You're you're not frightened flying. You're just 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:07.200 a control freak. I'm like, yeah, I don't think that's true. 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:09.120 And then he said that this is what really got 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:10.480 me because Vanity wins every time. 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.400 He said, I just read your book, You're a control freak. 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:15.399 And I went Russell my book. 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:21.360 I was like, oh, tell me more about yeah, enough 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:22.320 about you, more about me? 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.800 And he uh, and he kind of got me on 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:27.960 top with a flying instructor and I got in a 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.840 flying and wow, yeah, and did that do? 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:32.920 It was suddenly like, oh, writing and a plane is 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:33.719 no big deal anymore? 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.800 Changed it? Yeah, Now I'm. 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.720 Frightened flying, but I'm frightened to the correct things. Yes, 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:41.000 as opposed to. 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:42.800 It feels like that hurdle though. 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.480 It allows you to control something when you're flying, but 0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:49.480 it perhaps gives you more respect for the people who 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:53.320 are in charge there, and therefore you release, you relinquished 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:55.240 some of that controls that well, the thing you have 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:56.560 to relate control. 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:58.119 I mean, I think that you have to be a 0:24:58.160 --> 0:24:58.560 bit more. 0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:01.560 See that's my life is stand up and you are 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.880 a team player, you know, and you're learning to I. 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:08.159 Mean, you're now, you know, learning to be selfish. Experiment. 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:11.399 I've been, you know, pathologically selfish since I was I 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.640 nearly drank myself to dath. I'm so selfish, it's it's 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:18.040 it's crazy. I had to really work on it. But 0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:19.400 kids will do that for you as well. 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:22.040 Actually, I mean, yes, well, I do think that would 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:23.720 that that was a giant wake up for me. 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:26.400 I'm like, oh, I realized where. 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:29.399 I am selfish and how I am selfish in all 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:29.800 those ways. 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:31.040 Yeah, then a kid is there, You're. 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.840 Like, oh, I thought I'm doing this for that reason 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.520 or this for that reason, but really most of these 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:37.520 things I'm doing for is for me. And then a 0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.040 kid comes along, it's like, oh yeah, the whole name 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.720 of the game is like just protect that thing. Be 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:43.840 that thing, be nice to that thing, make money for 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:45.520 that thing, live for that thing. 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:47.560 Yeah. That was another big thing where I'm. 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:49.680 Like, oh, got to stay alive. I have to stay alive. Yeah, 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:51.720 it's like I wasn't thinking about staying alive. I gotta 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:52.760 fucking stay alive. 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:57.160 I know. It's kind of a bummer sometimes. Yeah, like. 0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:00.600 I need to I need to grab with that that 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:04.960 Like now my new job is to like withhold pain 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:09.040 from this child's life, be able to create space and 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:13.560 security for this this child for as long as humanly possible. 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:17.040 And how does it go? It's it's it's okay. Did 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.680 it kick in first day for you? Did? 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:21.959 Like when the baby was boring me? Was it like 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:25.000 a like a whoa, this is all Because I'll just 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:28.920 be honest with you, it took me about six months. Yeah, 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:31.320 because at first one it's the baby. I'm like babies 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:37.160 Jesus yea as babies are. They're just But when they start, 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:39.040 you know, interacting with you, it's fine. But when it's 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:43.960 just that screaming slug in the middle of the night, Yeah, yeah. 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:45.840 I mean that that first wave is all of like, 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:47.440 I just I have to I have to learn a 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:50.800 new skill to keep this cellular, cellular thing alive in 0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:51.480 a while. 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:54.080 This egg that I brought home, Just what do I 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:55.160 need to do for it? Right? 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.679 And then yeah, when it becomes a human that you 0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:00.360 interact with, right, then I think I could project into 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:03.040 the future that human like going on a date for 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:05.840 the first time, are being heartbroken? Human like God like, 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.240 that stuff scared the ship out of me. And I 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:10.879 also for the first time in my life. Also like 0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.640 saw the moment where my son would no longer call 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.080 me and tell me how he's doing every few days 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:18.600 or what have you. 0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:21.920 I saw it in the future. Yeah, like, oh, I 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:23.680 that will be a pain that I will feel. And 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.480 I I haven't been thinking about how my parents are feeling. 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:32.400 Surprised. I okay, that all right? Whatever? Oh hi son? Yeah, 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.040 all right, okay, fine, good, you're alive. Good? 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:40.760 Yeah, brushing your teeth foo SPF great talking four days. Yeah, 0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:43.760 it's fun. I'll get the news for your mom. My 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:45.560 dad used to say that to me. I'll get all 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:47.560 the news from your mother and even just hand the 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:48.880 when I was calling Scotland. 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.560 Is that right? Yeah? Now here's the thing. Uh. 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.320 My wife has a theory the all stand ups, and 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:58.560 I extrapolate that performers actually all have very similar mothers. 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:04.760 Oh tell me, she says, cold with bad boundaries, cold 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:09.520 with bad boundaries. Yeah, I'm gonna say no for me. Yeah, 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.400 I'm gonna say I mean, yeah, I have. That's why 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:13.960 you didn't go into stand That's why maybe I didn't 0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.159 go in to stand up. I think my brain. 0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:20.800 I had very supportive parents, like working class parents in Michigan, 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.920 who were just excited that I was doing stuff I liked. 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.960 But I was like a without it being put on 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.760 from a parental pressure. I think they were too worried 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.760 about putting food on the table doing all that that 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:35.520 I was like, I need to do these things to 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.680 succeed in life, to get a college scholarship, to go 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.360 to schollege, to get a job. Like I was a nerd, 0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:43.920 I got like a math scholarship going into college that's great. 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:44.480 I was. Yeah. 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:46.160 I was all about like, one are the things I 0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.480 need to do to succeed in life, so therefore I 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:52.600 will not let my parents down and I will be okay. 0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:55.040 And then in Kalamzuo, Michigan, the only thing you were 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:56.680 told you could be is like, if you're smart, you 0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.480 could be like a doctoral lawyer, right, you know. So 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.440 it's like, all right, I'll probably be one of those things. 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.280 I can be a smart kid. And I get a 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:06.040 scholarship to be a smart kid. And then, like the 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.480 improv thing, the bug hits me. They send me to 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:10.400 England and I get a little bit of this stuff, 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.680 and something in my brain is like, oh, I like this. 0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.080 I'm asked to think about stuff in different ways, feel 0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:18.960 in different ways, express in different ways. There's not like 0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.719 a path for that, right, And so then it was like, well, 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:25.040 fuck it, I want to explore this and I do 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.520 get I give my parents credit, like they didn't come 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:30.040 from a place of like stay on the path, do 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:32.720 that thing. They were I think, tickled by the fact 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:34.760 that I was exploring in this way. 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.480 And also it sounds like you were happy. 0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:39.920 I was happy I was doing an interesting thing that 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.000 like they were like, we'll come visit you in London. 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:44.440 We'll go to Chicago and see your. 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:46.160 Dumb little shows in the middle of the night, because 0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:48.720 you love pretending and doing all of this. I think 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.320 in some ways, at least for the improviser mindset, like 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.840 it's such a luxury that like my job for seven 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:56.640 years and not even job, my job as a substitute 0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:57.880 teacher for seven years. 0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.520 But what I was doing is like tending on. 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:04.480 Stage, substitute teaching one, math, everything in Chicago public schools. 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:08.000 Oh man, I do that for the day job. You 0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.080 don't need to do stand up. You've been in front 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.720 of tough. Yeah, they're judging me constantly. Oh my god, 0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:15.800 that is that's hard. 0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.120 Yeah, it's constantly crowd work with a bunch of a 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:19.880 bunch of kids who don't want to listen to things 0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:20.360 you're saying. 0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:23.160 Yeah, I don't know if I could handle them. My 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:27.080 mother was a teacher. Oh jesu. No, There's a lot 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.000 of people in my family are teachers when I think 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.640 about it, uncles and aunts and stuff. 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:33.600 Yeah. Yeah. You don't see a connection to that though, 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:36.320 with stand up that you've been about. 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:40.520 Yeah, the kind of the standing in front of groups 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:46.160 of hostile Scottish people. Yeah, I see it now, Yeah, 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:50.160 I think that's yeah, I never thought about it. Yeah, maybe, 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.520 although I don't consider myself in any way in a 0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.720 teaching possession with these people, you know, mostly it's a 0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:57.240 bit of survival for me, I think. 0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.320 But I feel like one of your I mean one 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.640 of your superpowers though, is putting people at ease? 0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:03.840 Right? Would that'd be fair to say? 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:07.960 I feel like you famously like your ability to interview 0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:09.640 and get to the quick with people. 0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.760 Yeah, and put them. I feel like I've known threatening. 0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:15.960 I'm threatening, sure of course. And then maybe you know 0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.680 what it is is like I really don't. 0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.000 Want to damage you in any way. 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.800 I'm not interested in scoring a point against you, or 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:24.840 I don't care about that. You got to try to 0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.920 get a point in here? There no really win. I mean, 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:28.600 who's winning now? 0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:30.920 Who's you score? Winning? And I want you to win. 0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:33.280 You're winning and it's no fun if you just give 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:33.520 it up. 0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.560 You're winning it life. You're tall, you're tall too great. 0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:40.959 Come on, you're winning. You're past the tall post first 0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:43.760 the check and flag of the tall race. I've got 0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:45.640 to be away and you're in. I'm in you're in 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:47.760 and you did a little extra with the high hair. 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.520 You got to, you know, show me when you're in 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.560 the end zone. I you know what, I I don't 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.520 know if I you know, if I have the test 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:59.400 off thing anymore to get my hair to go high, 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:00.440 I think. 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.840 You'll just you know what the secret is. The secret 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:05.200 is less product. Shut. 0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:07.880 I think it's more product. No secret is less product. 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:10.320 The product weighs it down and you need enough to 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:12.720 keep it in some sort of shape. But when you 0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:14.440 want height, if you're going for height, I know, I 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.000 don't know if I am. Though it looks good, I 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:18.040 feel like if I go for. 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.720 Height, you know, at this point in my life, it's 0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:22.400 like I'm the oldest guy in the club. 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:23.200 You know what I'm saying. 0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.440 It's like I think I should just you get to 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.480 have certain points and I think it's run about sixty 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.080 where you just you try and not embarrass people by 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:30.960 being in the room with. 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:35.520 It's like, oh, I hope he does. 0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.200 Like last night I was doing a podcast when I 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:40.680 was sitting talking to these people for about an hour 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:41.600 and a half or something. 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.960 It was one of those long ones we hold the microphone. 0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:47.800 That shows your age, right now it's one of these 0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:49.400 long one of these exhausted podcasts. 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:51.840 If you hold the bikes, you got to hold the microphone. 0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:53.640 I'm like, oh no, I don't we have one of these. 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:57.720 I've had to hold the microphone and I start. My 0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.440 leg was kind of seized up. I was like, oh 0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:01.960 my god, this is awful. 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:05.000 And I was limping, and I thought, this is uh, 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:08.360 you know, it's a it's a little kind of trailer 0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:08.960 of what's coming. 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.880 I'm literally limping now because I broke up. I fractured 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:13.920 a bone in my foot really from standing on a 0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:19.240 too low from standing on a really yeah, that cannot happen. 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:19.960 It can happen. 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:20.560 Can you see? 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.200 You should maybe see a doctor. That sounds like brittle 0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:24.560 legs and syndrome. 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:29.440 I have the I have the foot bone density of 0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:31.440 like an Ailien sparrow. 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:35.040 Wow. Yeah. And it's I feel like I'm feeling very 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:35.880 old this year. 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.959 I've got a lot of like like ailments have suddenly had. 0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:43.440 I'm forty six and so like foot cracked out. You 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:44.480 have scouts? 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:48.080 What are you king, Henry? The age you get I 0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.800 sup at the table of Kings. How did you get out? 0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:53.840 Because gos like a build up of a mineral of 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:54.240 some kind. 0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:55.680 Yeah, you get it. 0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.400 Because you're eating I joke that it is like I 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.960 I have privilege essentially as you're you're you're drinking yeasty 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.280 I pas and you're eating red meat. 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:05.960 But a big part of it is too. It's a 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:07.440 it's a genetic thing that like. 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:10.759 Basically if you get a certain level, you get uric 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.520 acid build up, and diet is part of. 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:14.719 It, but mostly it's a genetic thing. 0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:17.560 Do you have to go vegan, then I should go 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:19.600 no booze and no red meat. 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.640 And I know, no red me. That's me. Yeah, I 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:24.920 live my life like that. And do you like it? 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:29.040 Yeah, it's funny, but the no booze thing is essential, Yes, essent. 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.040 I mean that I get you know, I'm like I 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.440 I go sowhere when I was twenty nine. Yeah, but 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:38.160 I was you live that life? Yeah, No, it was 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.400 no no for well as it terms, it wasn't for me, 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:42.560 but it was for me at the time. 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.640 Yeah, I had no booze and no drugs and no 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:46.920 red meat because. 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.879 You know, and you've just now gotten into reading. No, 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:52.840 I've been reading. 0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:54.319 From what I was going to say, I feel like, no, 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.640 like nighttime reading is to me like when I'm at 0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.279 my best and I'm drinking, I'm taking a break, I'm 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.400 eating good. To me, one of the biggest elements of 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.160 social drinking or even just solo at home is like 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:09.360 marking the end of the day. And so I have 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.200 such a hard time like transitioning into something that feels 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:14.560 it's a good use of time at night. 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.080 And to me, books does that sometimes. Let me talk 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.480 to you. Let's wind it back a little too. Solo 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:21.160 drinking at the. 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:26.319 Day, Come on, I was winning, I was winning this conversation. 0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:32.120 Let's just let's just take a little drinking. This was happening. 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:35.400 Rest up on this little freeway and go follow drinking 0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:36.640 at the end of the day. 0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:40.359 A little glass of beer or wine or something. Yeah, 0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:40.799 I'll go. 0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:42.360 I'll go a little, a little bourbon at the end 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:44.719 of the night, get a little little hard alcohol, a 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.800 little bit. It's better for the feet that you fucking 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:49.520 go is well deserved. 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.960 I didn't. I didn't cheese and bourbon at the end 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:56.399 of the day with a burger. Yeah, this is all right. 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:57.560 You know what. Now I'm winning. 0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.959 Sit on your high horse or or your quarter horse, 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:02.719 and look down on me one of one of your 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:03.200 four hoards. 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.520 I love it you come in here bragging about your 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:06.160 four horses. 0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:10.680 Wife has three horses, she has a reserve horse, she 0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:12.400 has a backup horse. 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.239 Really a horse. It's a Shetland pony. You're still on 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.759 a high Shetland pony perspective. 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.440 The thing is, though I'm frightened of the Shetland pony 0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:25.080 deserves no purpose. Well that it's a very angry thing. 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:28.160 Oh really, because oh yeah, they're it's a very angry thing. 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:32.640 It's they're very cranky Shetland pony. You mustn't have one, really, 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.720 you live in New York City. They'd be very inconvenient anyway. 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.200 Although that makes you that guy, and I mean the 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.319 guy with the iguana Starbucks, that guy, that guy I 0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:42.840 don't want to be. 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:44.839 You don't like that guy. I like him. 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:46.520 I just don't want to be you know, yeah, I 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.920 don't want to be the because that guy's people are 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:50.239 going to talk to that guy. I don't want to 0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.239 talk to you, That's true. You know, I'll talk to 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:57.040 you here in the tan, but Starbucks. Yeah, I like 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:58.880 to be ready, do. 0:36:58.880 --> 0:36:59.440 You know what I mean? 0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.680 Do you ever get like when you get recognized because 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.680 you get recognized them sure recognize you at times for 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:07.880 you don't want to be recognized at that time. 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:08.120 For sure. 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.760 A lot of times kid usually blocks that out. Sometimes 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:13.279 New York. New York is a pretty cool place. 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:15.719 New York is actually the best sit in the world 0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:17.759 for it because if people recognize you, they're like, oh, 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:18.359 it's that guy. 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:20.480 Yeah you know, yeah. I had the best one a 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:21.040 few weeks ago. 0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.880 I was like parking in Brooklyn on a Sunday and 0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:26.520 I hop out and I'm about ready to pay my 0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:29.600 meter and a guy walks by and he goes like, Clipper, 0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:31.920 it's Sunday, you don't fucking pay and he kept walking. 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.439 That's great. I was like, that is so New York. 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:35.640 That is very New York. 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.160 But here's the thing I have. Let's go back to 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.960 paid for the mere I never do. You don't never 0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:43.719 just roll it, roll the dice. I roll the dice 0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:45.400 because I figured and I get to I guess, but 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:46.880 I don't get them every time, and I feel like 0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:47.520 it works out. 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:48.799 Kind of even I will say I do that. I 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.120 do street parking. Yeah, I got a car and I 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:54.399 got no parking spot. And so you know, the New 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.759 York thing of like get in your car and then 0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.480 wait for two hours as the cleaner comes around, so 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:01.600 you don't get it ticket, right, Yeah, I've given up 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:02.000 on that as well. 0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:03.960 Well. I'm like, I'll roll the dice, I'll pay it. 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:05.920 It's so much cheaper to get a couple of tickets 0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:07.640 a month than it is to pay for parking in 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:08.120 your Yeah. 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:10.319 I mean it's like if you go try and park 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.680 in one of these structures, it's like it's more expensive 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:13.320 than getting tickets. 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:14.080 Doesn't make any sense? 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:16.359 Yeah, yeah, So what do you you double part? You're 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:18.600 driving in town? I don't have a car in town. 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:20.920 You don't have enough when I do because I drive 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:25.640 around fifteen hundred pickup truck that's. 0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:28.319 A fucking tank. Yeah, but you have tiny ponies and 0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:30.480 big truck. Yeah, I got tiny. I would never let 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.680 a pony in my truck. That's for my wife's How 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:35.640 many ponies could you put in the back of that truck. 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:40.040 A ram Dodge around fifteen hundred. I hadn't know one 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.080 shilling pony. You couldn't get a huge, you couldn't. No 0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:47.359 your top, you're thinking of the twenty five hundred, what 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:47.600 is it? 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:48.240 What do you. 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.720 You like the beefiness, you use it like the try 0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:52.719 you know, because I'm an immigrant. 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:56.680 Yeah, and I feel like you know, when you're an immigrant. 0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:58.560 It's kind of like, you know, people that convert to 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:01.520 a religion are more religious than the people who were 0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:04.480 grew up in the religion. That's kind of like me 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:07.840 with America. I'm more America than people who were American. 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:09.640 Like you have you have like a cowboy hat at home? 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:14.400 Oh more than one two and a half. I have 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.520 a cowboy hat. I drink root beer over crushed ice. 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.319 I yell at the TV. I watch Nascar. You watch 0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:22.080 you like Nascar? 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.360 To watch Nascar? Oh, you are in it. 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:27.400 I sometimes I fall asleep in front of baseball games. 0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.759 I like, I do the whole thing. I respect that. 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:34.879 Yeah, it's it's I I threw myself wholeheartedly into I'm 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:39.840 Homer Simpson. That's the best place to be, to be honest, 0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:45.200 to enjoy all of the the indulgences of American culture. 0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:47.359 I feel like there's elements that I feel like I 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.280 myself I'm always probably partially pushing against. 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.080 Well yeah, yeah, that's an interesting thing. What did you 0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:57.120 miss about it when you were in London, if anything. 0:39:57.200 --> 0:39:59.239 Well, I was such a sheltered child by that when 0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:02.919 I left, so like, I mean, I immediately sought out 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.279 everything that felt American in London. But I've also like 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:08.239 nineteen at the time, twenty at the time, So like 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:10.960 I'm eating at I mean, I'm eating at the McDonald's 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.560 and Tripolgar Square, right, you know, I'm like, I'm just 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:17.759 eating at chip shops, and so I'm the culture was 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:19.880 as close to like American fast food culture as I 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:22.880 could right find. But as I like settled it, I mean, 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:25.600 I loved I think what I mostly loved about London 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:27.680 at the time was that I loved big cities. I 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:30.880 didn't know it Calmezer is a tiny one. Big cities 0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:34.200 have an energy. I love big cities. I loved this city. 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.719 Yeah, I love New York City's my favorite city. I 0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:39.600 think every other city is just kind of pretending to 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:41.759 be in New York. They all are ex I went 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.439 to Tokyo, Tokyo, Tokyo doesn't give a ship. 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.600 Yeah, this is to Tokyo. Toyo's Tokyo. Yeah, I think 0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:49.840 you got some of the some of the European cities. 0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:51.480 I'm like, oh yeah, but New York is New York. 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.080 You're like Tokyo's three New York's. 0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:56.120 Yeah, Tokyo is kind of crazy. Yeah, I loved it. 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:57.319 Yeah. Yeah, I mean I fail. 0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:59.360 If I had gone to Japan when I was a 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:02.920 young man, I would not have come back. Yeah, but 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:04.839 that would have been your that would have been your life. 0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:07.080 And yeah I would have just because I really liked it. 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.080 I really I don't know why. I mean just everything 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.640 about it just seemed great. Yeah, why did you go? 0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:13.920 Were you? Were you working? No? 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:17.120 That was uh five six years ago. My wife has 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:19.760 always wanted to go. She loves Japanese culture. 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:20.440 I was. 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.280 I did as well, but it wasn't on my bucket 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.759 list necessarily, and so we went. We spent like two weeks. 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.239 We did like a week to Kiyo, two and went 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.080 to Kyoto and then went to the Notto Peninsula. 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:31.000 Then we're like, we want to go to like a 0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.319 small fishing town and spend a couple of days out there, 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:34.440 and that was amazing. 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:36.399 I feel like I felt a little bit this with Rome. 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:38.440 What I loved about Rome is that there's like three 0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:40.840 centuries going on at the same time, like now the 0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.840 sixteen hundreds and like Roman culture is like on the 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.759 same block. Yeah, and Japan felt elements of that, of 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.640 like Tokyo felt like a super city in its own 0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:52.880 future that I loved, didn't give a shit about Westerners 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:53.920 or what they had going on. 0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:04.160 Have you been in Russia now? Russia is amazing? Yeah? 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.680 Yeah, I was because I kind of came up during 0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:08.719 the Cold War, so you know, I had been told 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:10.839 a lot of stuff about Russia that's not true, and 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:12.680 people are hearing a lot of stuff about Russia that 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.560 it's not true right now, you know. And and like 0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:18.880 when I was in Saint Petersburg, which is as beautiful 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.560 as city as I've ever seen. I mean it's it's 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:27.240 like Paris but clean. I mean it's amazing. And Moscow 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:31.080 is amazing too. And the people are so gregarious, you 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.760 know what they're like. They're like Irish people, literate drunks. 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.440 They're all drunk and they've all read everything. 0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:38.279 It's I mean, I feel like that. Yeah. 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:42.600 The literature culture over there is incredible, right. Yeah. When 0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:43.560 have you last been there? 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:46.040 I went there. I went there. 0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.359 I think it was about twenty twelve, was the last 0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:50.400 time I was there. So I'm probably not going to 0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:53.879 go at the moment, not a great time a shape. Yeah, 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:55.440 I don't know, you would get it. You'd have to 0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:57.759 fly in the Middle East and then fly up. I guess, huh, yeah, 0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:00.879 I think so. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. I mean, 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.200 I I just I was. I always liked it. It 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:07.600 was like I also I went to go and see Lennon. 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:09.279 Was the first dead body I ever saw. 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:11.680 Is that right? Yeah, we gotta pick one. Yeah. 0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:16.040 Yeah, he's in the mausoleum. And yeah, I went and 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.759 see him. I've seen those pictures. It looks very spooky. 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:22.160 It's it is very spooky. Yeah, But also I kind 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:24.320 of was like, is that really am really? 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.279 Yeah? I thought maybe it might be you know, it 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.719 feels like wax. It's at a distance, it's dark. I 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.359 thought it was Jimmy Hoffer. Is that that's where it is? 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.760 I think that might be. It might be Jimmie Hoffer. Yeah, Okay, 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:37.880 they took Lennon out, and Lennon is still alive on 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:43.560 Iver Megan and yeah, and it's Jimmy Hoffer is in there. 0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:44.760 They steal it from the horses. 0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:46.799 You've got sick horses there, but you still but Lennon 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:47.600 is still kicking it. 0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:51.399 Yeah, I think Lennon's I think Lennon Putin sounds kind 0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:51.879 of the same. 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:52.560 Yeah it does. 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.680 Yeah, well really, but there's there's definitely certain letters that 0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:57.880 are there. You know, they have a lot of statues 0:43:57.920 --> 0:43:59.160 of Lenin. I don't know if they still have them, 0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:00.560 but they had a lot of statue. Is a Lenin 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:04.080 holding up a newspaper? Yeah, yeah, I don't really know 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:04.919 why he's doing that. 0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:07.919 I thought he was hailing a cab of some sort 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:08.759 like that. 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:12.280 He's always his coat is flopping and he's always like, hey, striving. 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:15.720 You can't get a cab in this entire Soviet system. 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:19.560 That's why I went to Estonia and they had like 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:23.879 one of those. Uh they had a sculpture park of 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.080 all of the decommissioned and you. 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:29.440 Go there in Moscow as well, really park of totalitarian art. 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:31.880 It's amazing, amazing. 0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:33.479 Oh my god, I mean, because yeah, the art, it's fast, 0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:37.000 fascinating list in nature, all of these figures are. They're 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:40.440 all striding, they are striding, all moving in some kind 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:41.040 of direction. 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:45.960 Big heads, yeah, great, tailored suits. Yeah. And also the 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:48.120 one in Moscow. I don't know in Estonia, but in. 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:51.120 Moscow they're all kind of like toppled over, like you know, 0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:55.040 so it's kind of weird. You know, the weird thing 0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:57.480 I found in Red Square first time when you went 0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:59.520 to Red Square. Everybody get you walking into Red Square 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:01.600 and you start really it's the weirdest thing. 0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.160 You're like, oh my god, what it It's just that's 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:10.440 just that's enormous. It's enormous. And then it's just the 0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:12.440 kind of weirdness of it all. 0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:16.240 Maybe it's maybe it's my generation because of the mystery 0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:18.760 of the Soviets and the terror. 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.120 It's like going to like the Devil's House or something. 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:21.880 And then. 0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:27.920 And then the graves on the John Reid, the American 0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:31.319 Communist is buried at the Kremlin Wall really yeah, and 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:33.640 Stalin is buried there. 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:37.880 And Stalin's grave by far has all these. 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:41.040 People like leaving flowers, and that's the one everybody goes to. 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:43.480 That's all right there in Red Square. It's yea too. 0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:45.239 And there's a department store on the other side of 0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:47.719 it called Gum. You can you see it is a 0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.319 perfect right there. It's yeah, it's it's a it's an 0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:52.960 old building. I don't know if it was always called 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:54.839 there's always a department store I think might have been 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:58.200 the the Czar's wardrobe or something like that. I mean 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.640 it's insane. Yeah, oh man, it's crazy. And Lenin's right 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:03.480 there like in the no you go down the little 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:06.319 steps and kind of dark, not on like this, and 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:10.279 then he's it's like it's like a Dracula or you know, 0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:13.359 sleeping beauty but done by the cure or something like. 0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:16.520 Oh wow, yeah, is it like a line? Is is 0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.560 he still a draw? I don't. 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.680 I mean in twenty twelve people are still going by. 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.239 I don't know if they're going now because it's an 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.560 Instagram moment now, isn't that you would be going down 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.680 there like here's me and Lenin, here's me and will 0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:29.399 I Am you. 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:31.880 Know, I mean whoever whoever it is at the time. Yeah, well, 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:33.799 I Am is fine. By the way, he's not. He's 0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.960 not dead. It's fat as this recording, while I Am 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:38.040 is fine. 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.880 Yeah, who knows? Fingers crossed. You had a hologram at 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:42.239 one point, but I think he was still a lie. 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:43.319 That was more mostly a. 0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:45.239 Have you seen Abba or a hologram? 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:45.440 Now? 0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:46.800 Are they really? Yeah? 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.799 Abba, I've got a show going on in London that 0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:54.080 you can go to and they're robo hologram machines, and 0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:55.800 that's the whole show. I know that Tupac was a 0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:59.480 hologram for a bit, right, well yeah. 0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:01.040 But for reasons. 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:07.200 They just didn't want to go, like to be fair, 0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:09.799 but I can't do a sixth night a week run. 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.319 That just doesn't make any sense. He's not available for that. 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:16.360 But Abba, they could still conceivably go and sing the songs, 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:18.480 but they know that's power. 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.040 But it's young Abba. Oh, I mean that's you get 0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:22.200 to pick, you get to pick the. 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.839 No, that's what you get, you get young Abba. But 0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:27.480 it's like have you ever been to Graceland? Yes, right, 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:30.279 well you know when they have Elvis's suits out there? 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:31.319 Oh yeah, it's not fat. 0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:34.840 But see, I love I level Old rock Stars is 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:37.400 what I want. I love, I love it, I love it. 0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:39.279 I love I'm a Dylan guy and I love I 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:40.840 love Old Dill. Did you like that film? 0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:42.799 Yes? Oh? Good, good good. 0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:46.319 I think like it's not it's not the Dylan film 0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:48.200 I would necessarily make. But I think part of like 0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:49.919 part of what I love is all the law around 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:51.600 him and somebody just being like, all right, this is 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:52.439 this is the Dylan story. 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.319 We're gonna tell you this, but it's an artist life. 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:57.759 There's too many different bits. But yeah, I thought Edward 0:47:57.760 --> 0:47:59.240 Norton was great. I like Edward Norton. 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:01.600 I think I think that's such a fun Pete Seeger. Yeah, 0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:04.120 I think he's always in the in the Dylan myth 0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:08.480 been such a kind of a nerve, a dweeb attached 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:09.479 about Dylan. 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.080 I know next to nothing about bout Dylan. Really, Yeah, 0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:15.040 it just didn't press me by Yeah. Yeah, I found 0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:19.319 him late and just his talent, but beyond that, like 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:23.840 as a performer, his his freedom to he found a 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:25.960 success as a performer at such an early age and 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.239 then just dumped it and looked for something else. And 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:30.800 I feel like so much of like being a performer 0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.239 and improviser is like trying to find what's your thing 0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:36.120 so that you can you consit at it and and 0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:38.360 find a little success for a moment. And like Dylan 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:39.880 figured it out and was like, oh fuck it, I'm 0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:41.640 gonna do another thing. And you figure that out and 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:44.600 they're like I'm gonna do another thing. Like the his 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:48.719 his impermanence is so impressive to me. I think people 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:52.640 who get very successful very young also get injected with 0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:56.759 the confidence. For sure that sometimes is warranted in the 0:48:56.760 --> 0:49:00.480 case of Dylan, definitely, and sometimes it's absolutely not, you know, 0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.400 and then then they get into this odd kind of 0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:04.360 sense of entitlement. 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:04.840 Yeah. 0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:06.640 Yeah, I think there's there's a world where you can 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:09.000 then completely freeze and this is just who you are. 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.280 You're confident, you're successful, this is this is the gravy 0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:16.480 train you will ride for life. I think it's an 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:19.759 interesting I worked for a while with Mick Jagger and 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:23.080 we were working on a screenplay that we were writing 0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:25.279 for a movie that was never made. Yeah, and I 0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:28.799 was I remember talking to him about because he was 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:34.440 eighteen that, you know, and he was like, well, you know, 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:39.400 it's I know what I am. And you know, I 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:41.520 was thinking even as I was working with him. The 0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:44.319 myth of Mick Jagger is like he went to the 0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:46.520 London School of Economics. 0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:46.560 Did he really? 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:52.319 Yeah, he's a very clever, astute businessman and he's made 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.080 a couple of mistakes that no one really talks about, 0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:58.080 but I remember them because I look for the negative. 0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:02.360 But did you ever see the movie Ned Kelly, No, 0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.360 there's a movie, The Great The Australian Robin Hood or 0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:10.239 Jesse James is Ned Kelly and Mick Jagger to the 0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:12.800 movie in the seventies where he played Ned Kelly. Really 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:20.479 it's catastrophically bad. It is fucking wonderful. Yeah, and make 0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:25.560 is terrible in it. And now I've seen him perform 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:28.960 up close a lot of times. One of the best performers. 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:31.839 I mean, look, it's not news. Mick Jagger is an 0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.600 amazing perform yeah, but as an actor, that's not that guy. 0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:38.080 Yeah, it's kind of interesting. 0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:40.680 But he had the confidence to going, yeah, I'll be 0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:42.960 I'll do this film and it'll be awesome. 0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:43.320 Yeah. 0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:47.760 And it's not awesome, but it's awesome. But you enjoyed 0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:49.560 the performance of it because. 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.960 I love it, because the shodden freud of it is 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:54.840 just fucking delicious. 0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:56.360 The freedom of that is I mean, I feel like 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:58.560 Dylan has that in an acting standpoint too, Like I 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:02.520 feel like he has such allure to be famous on 0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:05.840 screen as well. And you know, he did Ronaldo and Clara, 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:09.480 he did what the Pat Garrett. 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:12.440 Film and Billy the Kid, and he's so stiff and stilted, 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:14.840 but the confidence to be that within it and he 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:15.520 still pops up. 0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:18.080 He just he literally he popped up. 0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:21.480 You know, he did like a Pond Stars episode of 0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:23.560 years back that popped up. He pops up in the 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:28.399 weirdest stuff crazy. Literally yesterday he's what eighty three he 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:32.640 and he just popped up doing the voiceover for the 0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:35.880 trailer for the rapper Machine Gun Kelly's new album. 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:39.480 Wow. That is they didn't see that coming. He makes 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:40.759 the weirdest choice. I feel like. 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:44.480 When you have that level of fame, the Mick Jaggers, 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:46.239 the Bob Dylans, and you can do whatever the hell 0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:48.120 you want, the ability to just be like, well I'm 0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:50.560 gonna fucking do some weird stuff right now. 0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:50.400 You know. 0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:52.520 Dagger said to thinking to me that I still say 0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:55.000 to my whenever my kids have to do a presentation 0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:58.000 at school or whenever I sometimes get a living in 0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:01.080 my head before I show. I remember the first time 0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:04.239 I saw Jagger was we were they were It was 0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:06.399 the Bridges to Babylon tour and they were playing Istan 0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:08.799 Bull and I just met Meg for launch that day 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:11.239 and he said, count to the shop, no and you 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:12.760 shit ship right. 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:17.480 Down the front and you'll see you. So you were 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:18.359 able to decipher that. 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:21.400 Yeah, Yeah, So I went to the show and they started, 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:22.160 it was amazing. 0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:25.160 It was this big stadium in Istanbul and. 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:27.520 There was a you know, they could see the blue 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:30.759 mosque out the bag and then they there was like 0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:35.080 a thunderstorm around and it was just unbelieving. They started 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:39.800 with the you know, the Sympathy for the Devil and stuff, 0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:43.759 and they started, It's just amazing show and make through. 0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.440 I've never seen a performer like I've seen everybody. This 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:49.239 guy was unbelievable. And we went for dinner after the show, 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:51.480 and I was like effusive about his performance. 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:52.000 I couldn't help. 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:55.000 I didn't want to be that guy back and he said, 0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:58.040 he said, well, I said, you just really threw down 0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:00.160 and he was like, you know why, I look at 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:03.680 it now. I never paid money to see someone who 0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:04.640 was shy. 0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.120 Thought, fuck, yeah's the truth. 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:12.479 Yeah, uh huh, it's like you put on a show. 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:13.680 My my. 0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:17.000 One of my improv teachers early on used to say, 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:19.239 like that effort isn't sexy. And it's not that you 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:22.160 don't want to put effort into these things, but like 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:24.920 people aren't there to watch you struggle to figure something right. 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:26.839 I don't want see you sweat. They're not exactly It's 0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:28.799 like they want to be put at ease. Yeah, I 0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:31.120 want to see somebody who is great or unique or 0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:31.640 other than me. 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:34.959 Yeah. I don't want to be nervous. No, no, no. 0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:36.239 I want to I want to be a little I 0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:38.279 want to be a little nervous. So I fucking wake 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:39.560 up and focus. 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:40.000 Right, you want? 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:41.640 You want to be nervous, to think this guy is 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:43.319 so fucking crazy. I don't know what's going to happen night, 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:45.319 but not nervous, hasn't I hope he? I hope he's 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.080 not sad? Is he? 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:48.520 Okay? 0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:52.640 I can't even watch pretend, Like if you see something 0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:55.160 in a movie or something where I stand up is 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:57.680 meant to be doing badly, I can't even watch it fictionally. 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:01.560 I'm like, really, I can't fuck look. I also, I'm frightened. 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:05.640 It's contagious watching somebody fail, watching something like, Oh Jesus, 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:08.239 I hate that. I just don't want to see it. 0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:10.200 You don't know, I'll never have to do it with you. 0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:11.359 You won't have to do you won't have to see 0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:13.760 it with me because I only succeed, and also because 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.719 I will live in the improperable primarily Yeah, all right, 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:17.319 well we're done. 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:20.839 That's it. That's it. So who won? It's definitely you. 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:22.279 Thank definitely you. 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:26.160 I thought your spectacular job ten out of ten, a 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.160 star on your your workbook. 0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:31.319 And can you know, take the rest of the day off. 0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:37.000 I'll go drinking by myself, you know, if that's what 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.719 you're really doing, give me a call later on. All right, 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:40.359 get out there.