1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: You maybe weren't expecting an episode today, but we are 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: here to kick off what I'm going to refer to 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: as Turkey Month here at Wired to Hunt, April is 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: upon us. Turkeys are goblin and I think we all 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: need a distraction from some of the stuff going on 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: in the rest of the world. Here right now in April, 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: COVID nineteens putting a downer on a lot of things 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: impacting a lot of people's health. It's uh, it's a 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 1: bad situation. But turkeys are one good thing we can 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: look too. So I thought, let's do an extra podcast 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: every week this month talking turkeys. So that's what we're 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: gonna do. These are short and sweet episodes tactic focus, 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes long each time, where it's gonna give 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: you the info you need to get out there turkey 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: hunting over the next weeks and months. So today we're 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: kicking it off with Mark Drewy. If you listen to 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: the podcast, you know who he is. He's one of 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: the founders of Drewy Outdoors. An incredible deer hunter, incredible 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: turkey hunter, and just always fascinating to talk to. So 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: today talking with him about how he turkey hunts differently 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: in different areas, different parts of the country, how he 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: approaches turkey hunting for different subspecies, how he changes the 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: turkey's mood, his favorite decoy setups, how he strikes up 27 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: birds that don't talk, and a whole lot more. This 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: is one's It's just jam packed the great information. So 29 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: we're not going to beat around the bush at all 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: on these episodes. I'm gonna let you get right into 31 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: it with our first bonus turkey episode of the month 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: with Mark Drewy. All Right, I am excited to be 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: back on the line here with my friend Mark Drewy. Mark, 34 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: thanks for joining me again. Man, I'm so happy to 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: be here in Ark. I love the subject today, buddy, 36 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: I'm excited. Usually we're talking about deer, but now you're 37 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: finally getting into something that I love more than you. Well, yeah, 38 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: you just admitted to me that turkeys are true love. 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: And I was a little shocked by that. Is that 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: you're willing to go public with it. Oh my goodness. Yes, 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: they are my first love, true love. I've been fascinated 42 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: with him since I was a little kid, and uh, 43 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't know why other than uh, my uncle's used 44 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: to always come down to grade school when I was 45 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: a little bitty kid, second third grade. And this is 46 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: back when turkey seasons were new in Missouri, and if 47 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: they killed a turkey, and both my uncle's, Marvin and Leroy, 48 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: were both serious turkey enters, they would always bring their 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: dead turkey by the school. And the entire school I 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: lived in a very small town, you know, small classes 51 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: twenty each, so you're talking maybe a hundred and seventy 52 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: kids tops through eight grades. Everyone would come out and 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: look at these turkeys and they would pick feathers off 54 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: of them and give them to everybody. And I was 55 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: always so proud of that because they were my uncle's 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: bringing them by. And I don't know if that's what 57 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: got me so fascinated with him at a young age, 58 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: but I've always been fascinated with the wild turkey. Yeah, well, 59 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: there's something, at least for me. There's also something just 60 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: about that gobble just being able to talk and interact. 61 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: And I've always wondered if if white tailed deer could gobble, 62 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't think I'd ever leave the woods at all 63 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: the entire year. I would just be just done for it. 64 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: Have no wife, no kids. You combine those two things, 65 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: I'd just be shot. Boy. Isn't that the truth? You know? 66 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so much fun. And likewise, if 67 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: turkeys could smell, we'd never kill one. Yeah, that's very true. 68 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: Uh So, Mark, We're doing these short and sweet bonus 69 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: turkey podcasts where I'm pulling in various avid turkey hunters 70 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: and just trying to go rapid fire with them on 71 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: some turkey tactics and ideas for about thirty minutes. And 72 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: with you, You're you're kind of unique compared to a 73 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: lot of people in regards to turkeys because you get 74 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: to travel a ton, you do these turkey tours, um 75 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: And I wanted to kind of pick your brain on 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: how you approach turkey hunting in different areas, in different 77 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: regions of the country differently, Um too, I guess to 78 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: set us off on the right foot, can you really 79 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: briefly explain, like, what does this turkey tour thing you've 80 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: been doing. I know you've got this series going on 81 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: YouTube can you give us the quick cut cliff notes 82 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: on on what that's all about. Just we have some 83 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: context about where all you've been, what you're what states 84 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: you're hunting all that. Sure, I generally hunt seven, eight, nine, 85 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: ten states of Spring because I am so passionate about it. 86 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: And we started doing what I called the Turkey Tour 87 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: my goodness years ago. And uh, of course, with the 88 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: advent of everything going online through social media and YouTube, 89 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: we started doing our series online and um, it's really 90 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: taken off. It has a great viewership across Instagram, Facebook, 91 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: our our YouTube, and um, I start down south generally Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, 92 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: somewhere down there. I love Georgia. Uh. Then I'll go 93 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: to Texas, then Oklahoma, then Kansas. And it's so nice 94 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: because you're you're catching the opening day everywhere you go 95 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: as you float north right. So then after Kansas, then 96 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: I'll head to Missouri, Iowa, stay there for a while, 97 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: and then I'll either go to Nebraska, uh, which I 98 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: go to Nebraska, are ye, or I'll go further west. 99 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: Last year I went to Oregon, UM. But this year, 100 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, I've really reduced my travel because of the 101 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: the virus and the stay at home orders for so 102 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: many different states, so I'm much more limited. I'm gonna 103 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: stay on my home court this year. But I've hunted 104 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: I don't know how many different states, maybe twenty through 105 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: the years. But I've been to a lot of different 106 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: places and had some phenomenal times with a lot of 107 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: good friends. And do you feel are there very noticeable 108 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: differences in how either the birds behave or how you 109 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: have to behave as a hunter when you go from 110 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: one reason to another, one state to another. To some 111 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: degree yes, and to other degrees no. Sometimes based on subspecies, 112 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: I hunt a little bit differently, and sometimes based on 113 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: terrain where they live, I hunt very differently. You know, 114 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: if you compare a hardwood forest in the Midwest to 115 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: the open topography of northwest Oklahoma, vastly different and the 116 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: turkeys react differently, they act differently during the day. Of course, 117 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: those are two different subspecies as well. Um So yes, 118 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: tactics definitely change based on region, and I hud a 119 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: lot of varied regions and a varied topography. So the 120 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: more visual it is, the more ground I cover, and 121 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: the more I use decoys, the less visual it is, 122 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: the less ground I covered by vehicle. When I say 123 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: covered ground, i'm I'm covering big expanses, you know, looking 124 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: for turkeys. If if you have the room to roam, Uh, 125 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: that's what I do. However, if I'm you know, on foot, 126 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: like I often am in Georgia or in the Midwest, 127 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: then I'm walking and calling and slowly working my way 128 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: through Turkey country. And I'm oftentimes in the woods or 129 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: are just on the outskirts of those woods, and I'm 130 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: doing a combination of the two, looking and calling. So uh, 131 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: it's it's a visual game when you're in big, open country, 132 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: and more of an audible game I think when you're 133 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: in a little bit tighter country. I talked to someone 134 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: on the same topic, I don't know a few days ago, 135 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: and another thing they mentioned about changing Turkey behavior was 136 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: hunting pressure. They felt like certain regions, like in their case, 137 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: they thought the South had a lot more turkey hunting 138 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: pressure and that significantly influenced how these turkeys behaved. Um, 139 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: have you seen anything with pressure being different in different 140 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: parts of the country. You're different types of properties that 141 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: maybe influences what you do. Absolutely, I mean, you can 142 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: pressure turkey right into not gobbling at all. Um. If 143 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: that's the case, if you're hunting public ground or you're 144 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: hunting really highly pressured birds, man, I'm I'm I'm backing 145 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: off the calls almost completely, and I'll get almost inaudible 146 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: with the stuff I'm doing. It's wing beat stuff. It's 147 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: spitting and drumming with my voice. It's um scratching in 148 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: the leaves, and it's more tactical, and I really slow 149 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: down my overall approach. Um birds that haven't been pestered 150 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: with too much, I'm a lot more vocal to and 151 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm a lot less patient with those turkeys. If I've 152 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: got room to roam, I'm trying to find a hot one. 153 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 1: If I'm limited in room, or I'm hunting really high 154 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: pressured birds, then I'm much more patient. You know, I 155 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: might spend days on the same turkey and barely move 156 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: at all, try to figure out his pattern and kill 157 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: him like a white tailed deer. Uh. They're still killable, 158 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: but you've got to be smart and you'll kill a 159 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: lot of those those birds mid morning through evening. That's 160 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: uh something Sometimes you don't run into nearly as many 161 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: hunters the later in the day. You get If it's 162 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: an all day state afternoons or death on those heavily 163 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: hunted birds, death death. I mean, that's the time to 164 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: kill high pressured birds. So what do you do in 165 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: that late afternoon time period. I mean you mentioned hunting 166 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: them like a white tailed deer, But if you don't 167 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: have like the history with an area where you don't 168 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: know how they're moving through a region yet, how do 169 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: you approach that time period when you're trying to figure 170 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: it out still because you're typically not talking as much. 171 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: Sure they're not talking hardly at all. I try to 172 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: get into areas that I've already pre scouted, or I 173 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: know from past history there's birds there, or I know 174 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: from the sign that I'm seeing at that time, hey 175 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: there's turkeys here. And then I I just slink through 176 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: the woods like a dang bobcat, and I'll set up 177 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: and I'll call light, real light. Every once in a while, 178 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: I'll get aggressive, you know, and try and shock one 179 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: into gobbles to see if I can get him to 180 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: give his position up. If he does, then I'm going 181 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: to him, and then I'm I'm switching back into low gear. 182 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: So you you really got to train your ear because 183 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna get a lot of gobbles that 184 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: time of the day, or even on public ground in general. 185 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: Get to where they're at and then don't make them 186 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: gobble a lot. If you're calling a lot and you're 187 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: trying to make that turkey gobble, guess what, you're drawing 188 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: other people to your your spot. So try to get 189 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: him killed without making him talk. That's part of the 190 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: key to hunting high pressured birds and public ground birds. 191 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: That takes a lot of patience, and you just gotta 192 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: be willing to sit in the same spot, and you're 193 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of times where you don't kill 194 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: because you've gotta always pretend he's on his way he's 195 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: coming in. Otherwise you're not gonna be ready when he 196 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: gets there. Nine out of tim times he's probably not 197 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: on his way to you. But that one time that 198 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: he comes slipping in real quiet, you've been sitting there 199 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: an hour and a half, two hours, when all of 200 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: a sudden you hear him, drummond, better be ready or 201 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: he's gonna nail you. Yeah. Man, it's so hard though, 202 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: or at least for me. When the thing about turkey 203 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: hunting that's so at least from my perspective, what's so 204 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: exciting is the calling and the talking. I find myself 205 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: just getting tempted to to just want that. And when 206 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: you're not hearing that, your confidence Dwayne so quickly like 207 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: either or not here, I gotta go somewhere else or 208 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: it's not working. Um. We're somehow pre program to just 209 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: need that reassurance of the gobble um. But then you 210 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: learn very quickly exactly why guys are failing on public ground. 211 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: You got you can't You can't hunt public or high 212 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: pressured birds like you do unpressured birds. It's just it's 213 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: two different games completely, like they're almost one any opposite 214 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: of each each other. And the one on public and 215 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: the high pressure bird, he's not nearly as much fun 216 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: to your point, but he is killable. You just gotta 217 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: switch your tactic. So I want to drill into a 218 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: few of the things you talked about, but before getting 219 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: into how to kill him, I want to jump back 220 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: to something you said real quick about how you approach 221 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: the different subspecies a little bit differently? Can you speak 222 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: to that? How do you approach each different subspecies or 223 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: whichever ones are different in your mind? You know, I'm 224 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: a little more vocal with both the Merriam turkey and 225 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: the Rio Grand turkey. To me, they call more often 226 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: specifically the hen, not the gobblers. They don't gobble anymore 227 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: than an Eastern. In fact, I find the Easterns that 228 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: I gobble more than the Rio's are the Merriams, And 229 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: I think there's a reason for that. Oftentimes, when you're 230 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: hunting that big open country you see flocks of turkeys 231 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: and groups of turkeys, they spend less time split up 232 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: than Easterns do, in my opinion, And I don't know 233 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: why that is, but I think I know it is. 234 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: It's because the roost is is they're so limited in 235 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: many of these places. Therefore, every damn turkey for many 236 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: many square miles is all going in the same places, right, 237 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: They all congregate to the same roost because there aren't 238 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: many roost spots. Then they have a tendency to stay 239 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: together all day and it's a much shorter period where 240 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna catch lone gobblers. Therefore, they're flocked up. The 241 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: hens are very vocal all day, and the gobblers oftentimes 242 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: they're looking at a hand all day and they're not 243 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: They're not gobbling. They're not talking, so therefar I'm working 244 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: on hens, and I'm much more vocal when I'm hunting 245 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: rio grands or merriams. It's bigger country, it's more open. 246 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: I use a lot of friction calling because I'm often 247 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: dealing with the wind, wind speed, So I'm a big 248 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: friction caller in those types of areas. Eastern's, I mean, 249 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: those are those are the ones I love to hunt. 250 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: Give me a hardwood ridge with an Eastern wild turkey, 251 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't care what time of the day it is, 252 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: but let me have a conversation with him and and 253 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: play his game and getting his roundhouse. And those are 254 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: the birds that I love to hunt and go in 255 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: there and kill like that's where I grew up hunting. 256 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: It's the ones I feel like I probably have more 257 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: success on. But uh, I don't call nearly as much. 258 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: But when I get in there, when I get in 259 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: there face and and the time's right, then I'm gonna 260 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: pour it on and making goblin and change his mood. 261 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: That's one thing about turkeys. They're in a certain mood. 262 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: You can change that mood with your calling. You do 263 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: that with emotion and energy and pitch and differentiation and 264 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: sound and moving around, moving your head. There's a lot 265 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: of different things you can do, and you're calling to 266 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: add realism to it and change that turkey's mood. If 267 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: you can fire him up, all of a sudden, he'll 268 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: go from an uninterested turkey to turkey that's strut in 269 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: the twenty yards and about to die. I want that. 270 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: That's I love everything you just said. I'm curious about 271 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: some of the details. But but the first thing I 272 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: gotta know is we often hear that one of the 273 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: biggest mistakes people make when turkey hunting is calling too much. Now, 274 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: what you just described was like getting really aggressive and 275 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: like change their mood, you know, force the issue. How 276 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: do you know when it's the right time to do 277 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: what you subscribe, change their mood, force the issue, versus 278 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: when you need to say, oh, you know what, I'm 279 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: calling too much, I just gotta shut up. How do 280 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: you think through that? I'll simplify that one thing that 281 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: we we came up with years ago. We call it 282 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: the three strike rule. So this is beyond the roost hunt. 283 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: You're into the day they've already flown down. You did 284 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: all the root st up and the turkeys naturally they 285 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: shut up what hour after they fly down or so 286 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: hour and af depending on what part of the mating 287 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: cycle they're in. So now you're at eight thirty through 288 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: the rest of the day and you're on the strike. 289 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: You're looking for that next turkey. If I strike a turkey, 290 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: we call it the three strike rule. If that's sucker 291 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: will not answer me three times in a row to 292 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: the same call I just gave him, you know, spaced out, 293 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: I don't make him gobble three times immediately like I'll strike, 294 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: And if one answers, I'm gonna wait two or three 295 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: or four minutes, and I'm gonna hit him again. Boom, 296 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: hit him again, Wait two or three minutes, boom, he 297 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: hits again. All right, gobble three times in a row. 298 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: To me, that is a green light. Go after that turkey. 299 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: I don't care how far he is. That's one you 300 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: need to head into and try and work. However, if 301 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: you get a plain shock gobble and he won't answer again, 302 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: those are turkeys that I have a tendency. If I've 303 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: got more ground to cover, I will come back and 304 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: try at a later date or later in the day 305 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: and let him alone. Because they often went in the 306 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: presence of hens will shock one time because they haven't 307 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: gobbled in a while, so it's pure shocked. And then 308 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: they won't gobble again because they're standing there looking at 309 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: a hen. And that's one way to do it's a 310 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: simple way to do it. Other ways to do it 311 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: really come with I think experience and just knowing turkey 312 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: vocalizations and how they react and how how they even 313 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: gobbled to you. You could tell when turkey gobbles whether 314 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: he's interested or not based on sometimes that old half 315 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: hearted Oh he barely chokes it out, he's probably not 316 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: overly interested. But if you call and he's you know, 317 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: five yards away, ah, he buries you. That's a turkey 318 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: that's interested. So you got to interpret, you know, his 319 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: overall mood of the day as well. Now, say you 320 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: don't have anything to do any there's no game in town. 321 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: You heard one turkey all day he gobbled once or twice. 322 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: I will go to that turkey, try to get as 323 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: close as I can to him, either visually or audibly. 324 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: If he won't answer and I can't see him, I'm 325 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: just gonna sneak and call and try to sound like 326 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: multiple hens in the woods. I'm scratching, I'm clucking in pern, 327 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm I'm fighting per and every once, so I don't 328 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: call non stop. I will wait fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, 329 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: give another series fifteen twenty minutes, and I might sit 330 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: there an hour, then move a little closer. Sit there, 331 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: call another hour, move a little closer. Wind will camper 332 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: that rain. You know, you're constantly dealing with weather in 333 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: the spring, so sometimes you have to play the overall 334 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: weather of the day as well, and and let that 335 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: work in your favor as opposed to work against you. 336 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: I think sometimes guys try to force their hand on 337 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: bad turkey days. We talked about it all the time. 338 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: I told you about my three strack role, while I 339 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: also I do not burn chips on bad turkey days. 340 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: Turkeys are literally the polar opposite of white tailed deer. 341 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: You want to go kill a deer. We've done podcasts 342 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: many times. You've heard me say it. Don't miss a 343 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: cold front, right, do not miss a north wind. That's 344 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: how you kill deer on turkeys. Skip the north wind days, 345 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: skip the cold front and wait for a warm front. 346 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: You kill turkeys on a south wind and deer on 347 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: a north on a on a north wind. Absolutely write 348 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: it down. That is when you kill your turkeys, it 349 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: is the best time. Uh. Do any other factors in 350 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: your mind impact turkey killing success? Like very much? Pressure? 351 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: I mean those things sometimes go hand in hand. I guess, 352 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: is there anything or sunny versus cloudy anything like that? 353 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: You know it. Really they're so situational because because you know, 354 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: I would love to take a deer cast model and 355 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: put it on turkeys and call it turkey cast. And 356 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: I've studied it as long as I've studied deer, and 357 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: I've come to the realization that they are very unpredictable 358 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: as it pertains to whether there are a few things 359 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: that are consistent, but in reality it comes down to 360 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: whether he's looking at a hand or he isn't. It's 361 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: very situational. You can take a bad weather day in 362 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: terms of like, oh, I'd love a sunny, high pressure, 363 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: beautiful bluebird day and think, Okay, the turkeys are really 364 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: gonna act we all today. Well, they might very early 365 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 1: in the morning, but then later in the day if 366 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: they're looking at Hens, they're not going to. However, you 367 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: could take a windy day, horrible weather front coming in 368 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: low pressure and you think they're not going to talk today, 369 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: But if he's by himself, he'll talk. They are less 370 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: affected by the weather than whitetailed deer, in my opinion, 371 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: because it is situational based on the timing of the year, 372 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: how many hens that they have around, and how overall 373 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: tired they are. Turkeys are notorious for running their battery love. 374 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: They're like a cell phone battery. It's charged up at 375 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: a certain time and then it depletes. Well, you take 376 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: those high pressure days that I talked about. If it's 377 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: a pretty day and you go, man, they're gonna gobble 378 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: their heads up. Those are the days I really don't 379 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: like because oftentimes they'll gobble themselves out. First thing on 380 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: the limb, they'll stand there and gobble fifty times, fly 381 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: to the ground and get with hands, and then they 382 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: shut up the rest of the day. We call it 383 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: the high pressure hush midday. On the rest of the 384 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: day they won't talk. However, you take a morning where 385 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: they don't gobble on the limb, those gobbles are still 386 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: in them. Turkeys is only gonna gobble so many times 387 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: in a day that battery is still charged. We kill 388 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: a lot of turkeys on bad mornings for goblin, but 389 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: we'll kill them on up in the day because they're 390 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: still inside and they're ready to ready to talk. Would 391 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: you pick a roost morning hunt or uh, you know, 392 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: nine am through the rest of the day. Which time 393 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: period would you rather have to kill a bird? Well, 394 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: the roof tounts the fun one because they're generally gobbling 395 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: a little bit for you, so that's the most vocal. 396 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: But I kill more turkeys between about seven thirty and 397 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: ten o'clock than any other time of the day. Then 398 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: and then again around m m. Six no. Five thirty 399 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: seven in the evening. Those are the times that I 400 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: killed the most turkeys. But I've killed him straight off 401 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: the ruse fly down come in. I've killed him at 402 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: noon one o'clock, that type of stuff. But the times 403 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: that I kill the most would be those two times 404 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: I just mentioned. In those two situations, that's typically when 405 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: you've got a bird that's crem If I'm wrong, I guess, 406 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: but that's the time period when you start getting a 407 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: gobbler that maybe is away from the hens. Now finally 408 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: he's kind of going on his circuit um, and then 409 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: you have that situation that you described where you strike 410 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: one up, and now you're gonna see, Okay, is this 411 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: one that I can work in here or not? And 412 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: you decide if you're gonna change their mood if you 413 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: strike up a bird in that scenario and he wins 414 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: the street the three strike rule and you're gonna get 415 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: after him. Can you give me the details of exactly 416 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: how you do change the mood? You listed a bunch 417 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: of like possible things, but could you walk me through 418 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: in your head? Okay, I'm gonna do this type of 419 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: calling sequence, I'm gonna make this move or anything you 420 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: can share on that. Yeah, absolutely, So the first thing 421 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is try and kill him with the 422 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: as least amount of calling as possible. So I always 423 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: say I start at the bottom end of the ladder, 424 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: and I worked my way up that ladder. So the 425 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: first thing I'm gonna do, or softy helps clucks and purrs, well, 426 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: the first thing I'm gonna do is try and get 427 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: in a position where I think I can kill him. 428 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: I kill most turkeys when my setup is within about 429 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: a hundred fifty yards to start with. The worst mistake 430 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: of turkey owner can make is make him tone deaf 431 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: by calling too much to him when you're too far away. 432 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: If that makes sense, So here that turkey and go, Okay, 433 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: he's over there, tod, I'm gonna sit right here and 434 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: call him all that distance. That's that's not the smartest 435 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,239 Speaker 1: play you can make. I will avoid calling to a 436 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: turkey until I get to about one fifty one hundred. 437 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: If you can do it because of cover in the woods, 438 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: or if you can do it because of terrain, once 439 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: you get in their comfort zone, that's how you kill turkeys. 440 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: Once I'm there, I start real low and I find 441 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: out what he's willing to answer to, and then I 442 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: work my way up. And the single best way to 443 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: kill a turkey is if you can get within a 444 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: visual of him in an open area and watch his 445 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: body posture, and watch how he reacts to your calling, 446 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: because he doesn't always have to gobble to give you 447 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: a positive response. I love having my eyes on a 448 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: turkey when i'm working in whether that's just over the 449 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: hump or whether it's out in an open field. And 450 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: I will purposely wait until he you know how, they'll 451 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: strut and turn and pirouette. I will wait till his 452 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: body posture faces me, and then I'll hit him if 453 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: he's facing a way. I almost never called to a turkey. 454 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: It's just a bad, bad overall flow, bad signal. But 455 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: when he faces me, I pour it on. I try 456 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: to get him to continue coming to me, because sometimes 457 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: I think turkeys don't know where they're going until they 458 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: get there. So if you could play on that body 459 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: posture and and wait till they're facing you, you can 460 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: turn an entire flock and have them coming your way. 461 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: You watch them. A grasshopper will make them doing one 462 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: a D and go the opposite way from your calleing. 463 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: So watch what they're doing if you can get there 464 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: and then work them so the same holds true when 465 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: you can't see them. I try to get close. I 466 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: start low and I work my way up. If he 467 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: sounds like he's gobbling away from me, I won't call. However, 468 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: if he if he just gobbled and it sounded like 469 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: he's facing me, in other words, it's loud or clearer, 470 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: that's when I poured on. I love a turkey to 471 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: face me when I'm working in big, big difference, huge 472 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: difference in killing turkeys. Wait till they're facing you. Is 473 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: there any other body language that you would look at 474 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: as being positive, like when they strut up versus when 475 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: they're not started up, or I don't know, raking their 476 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: wingtips or anything anything else you look at. Absolutely, strutting 477 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: is a big positive. You know they're just if they're 478 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: staying there walking around all of a sudden and you 479 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: see him and you feel like you're in a good 480 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: position and you yell real soft and he goes into stress. 481 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: He's interested. Uh. If he's in the presence of hands 482 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: and not strutting, that's a tough turkey to kill. If 483 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: he's in the presence of hands and strutting, you got 484 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: you got a chance. Interesting, okay, So so okay, So 485 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: let's say we've got that scenario. We can see him, 486 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: he's given us a few gobbles, he's strutted up, so 487 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: we think he's interested. He turns in our direction. Now 488 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna pour it on and you're gonna give him 489 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: the mark jury special, the thing that no gobbler can 490 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: say no to. Uh. And you mentioned that you'll, you'll, you'll, 491 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: you'll start the bottom. But let's say we get to 492 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: the top now, and it's okay. These other things haven't 493 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: worked you gotta throw your ace out there, and this 494 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: is your kill switch. You're throwing what is that special move? 495 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: You've got the the thing that I will do. And 496 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: if you watched the if you and it sounds terrible. 497 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: I think every time I listened to it. I watched 498 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: the Avan Next tour, and I'm it really doesn't sound good, 499 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: but boy does it make make turkeys die. I love 500 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: to hen yelp and then follow up with a low 501 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: pitched jake up. I love that message, and I'm telling 502 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: you they will. They You can make them tone deaf 503 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: with that hen yelp. And you know how you call 504 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: too much and all of a sudden he quits answering. 505 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: They just get toned, deaf right, all of a sudden, 506 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: throw in some talk, some real low stuff. Ah, he's 507 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: gonna bury it. He does not like a jake in 508 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: the presence of a hen. I kill a lot of 509 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: turkeys with really aggressive hen yelps followed by a low 510 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: tone jake up of three or four yelps. That's interesting. 511 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: That's not something I've ever done. Um, but that makes sense. 512 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: I guess if you watch the an X tour and 513 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: you listen to me call birds and listen. It almost 514 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: sounds like I'm making mistakes. It's like, boy, it sounds 515 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: that sounds awful. Really, it really does. I don't like 516 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: it at all, but it uh, it'll kill a damn 517 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: turkey now better than anything I've ever done. I do 518 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: it all the time. That or I cut, I cut 519 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: real high pitched, and then I'll lower it down. I 520 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: of changing tones to make it sound like there's a 521 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: variety of turkeys there. Now, what about the visual side 522 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: of this. I've seen you, you know, use a variety 523 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: of different decoy setups, but especially this most recent set 524 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: of the Turkey Tour videos I've seen. Uh gosh, I 525 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: can't remember what the name of isle A laying down 526 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: hand decoy, the laydown hand, and the avian HDR jake. 527 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: Yeah there, Can you walk this through? Can you walk 528 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: me through a few of the different decoy setups you 529 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: might consider and what scenarios you would use each. The 530 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: one that I go too most often is a laid 531 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: down hand with a jake and it's it's just a 532 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: slick down jake, beard out, kind of comfortable, doesn't look 533 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: like he's too posture or anything. Uh, and I'll put 534 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: him just off to the side like he's about to 535 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: approach her and breed her because she's already on the ground. 536 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: I kill a lot of turkeys with that setup. I 537 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: also constantly have their trophy tom right next to me 538 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: on the ground, which is a half silhouette strutter, and 539 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: I have my fan in that. I kill a lot 540 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: of turkeys with that combo right there. I have it 541 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: for cover if you will, or to pick up and 542 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: look to see if he's coming. If I'm out in 543 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: the field trying to find him, I'll look through the 544 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: fan and then I generally don't have a negative reaction 545 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: to that that strutter. Once in a while, you will 546 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: if it's a subordinate bird, but more often than not, 547 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: they'll accept it and and come on in, or they 548 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: might shy away a little bit. In that case, you 549 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: can put the strutter down and they'll forget about it 550 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: and come on in. But that's that's how I turkey out. Now, 551 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: if there's a population dynamic that's at play, and you're 552 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: going into a spring where there's a polo Jake's and 553 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: not many long beards, I'm not going to put those 554 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: Jake's out because oftentimes that group of bully Jake's will 555 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: run off a big long beard and then if he 556 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: sees a Jake with a hand, he'll just turn and 557 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: leave because he's had his butt whoop too many times 558 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: by those big gangs of Jake's. So if it really 559 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: depends what the previous year's hatches were, last year was 560 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: great because we didn't have a ton of Jake's and 561 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: we had a lot of long beards. That's when I 562 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: Jake decoy works the best. If you've got a year 563 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: where you're low on long beers and heavy on Jake's, 564 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: then I don't use the Jake nearly as much. I 565 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: go with just the lay down hand. How do you 566 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: how do you determine something like that? Is that through 567 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: running trail cameras and keeping NYE and things like that? 568 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: Is it just watching them? Oh? Yeah, that's it starts 569 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: in August when those when those polts and those broods 570 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: first start coming out. You can figure out what your 571 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: hatch was just by accounting how many poults you see 572 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: versus how many hands you see on your iconics cameras. 573 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: You know a good hatch would be like three to 574 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: four pulse per hand on an overall average, and last 575 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: year I was at like one to one point five. 576 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: We've got a terrible hatch and and there in Missouri. 577 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: Mhm Um, I gotta rewind just a little bit to 578 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: something I'm meant to ask you, um in that previous 579 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: scenario when we were talking about, uh, you know, trying 580 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: to find that bird, and in the three strike rule 581 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: and everything, something I wanted to get a little clarification 582 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: on was how to best strike up those of birds. 583 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: So you're in the late morning, there's nothing talking, what's 584 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: what are your go too? Is to get something to 585 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: strike up and give you a sign um, whether that 586 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: be a shock gobbl or whatever it is. How do 587 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: you get that first? You know, it depends a little 588 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: bit of where I'm at, Like if I'm down south 589 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: then they're not overly vocal, or if I'm in a 590 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: high pressured area. I al hoot a lot even midday, 591 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: and I have a tremendous amount of luck with al 592 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: hooting alhood on my voice. I crow call some, but 593 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: I alhoot more often than not. And I'll try that first. 594 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: And if you get one to react to that, that's 595 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: great because then you can move in on him because 596 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: you haven't given a call yet. If that doesn't work, 597 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: my absolute go to is a aluminum call wooden peg 598 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: and I go through a series of helps and then 599 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: I cut real out and then I shut it off abruptly, 600 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: and I get a lot of turkeys to respond to 601 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: that combo. I've struck and killed so many turkeys with 602 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: that combo. It's not even funny with owl hoot or 603 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: anything that. Is there a risk of overdoing something like that? 604 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: Like is there any downside if you're moving around an 605 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: area you still haven't heard one? There's no downside of 606 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: hammering it quite a bit when you're moving through, right. 607 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: I think there's a downside to yelping because anytime you yelp, 608 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: if there's a turkey that's willing to come in and 609 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: are yelping or calling in general, if there's a turkey 610 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: willing to come in and he's not goblin, you're liable 611 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: of calling in and not know it. I think that 612 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: happens a lot to guys, and they don't even know 613 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: what's happening because more often than not, later in the day, 614 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: they just don't strike very well anymore. They used to 615 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: back in the eighties, but the populations have evolved and 616 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: there's just so many turkeys. They don't gobble up in 617 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: the day like they used to. Now, if you get 618 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: up in the upper Midwest or say out West, you 619 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: can still strike a lot of turkeys midday because the 620 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: populations are growing and they're very aggressive. Their testosterone is 621 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: a lot higher. But if it's a fully developed the 622 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: populations at its peak carrying capacity has reached, they don't 623 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: gobble as much in the middle of the day. They'll 624 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: still come to a call, but it's hard to strike them. 625 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: So that's why I generally start with an owl hood 626 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: because oftentimes I find they'll hit that before they'll hit 627 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: a turkey call, just because it's different and they haven't 628 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: heard it in a while. Yeah, okay, Now, what if 629 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: we fast forward to the end of the day and 630 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a state you can hunt all day. 631 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: It's getting close to when then were moving back up 632 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: to roost for the evening. What's your go to for 633 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: that time of day? Are you trying to kill him 634 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: at that point or do you give up and just 635 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: want to roost them for the next morning. I'm usually 636 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: hunting them. Uh, sometimes I'll move and call if the 637 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: weather's right and I'm at the right time of the year, 638 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: like early in the spring when they're just starting to 639 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: establish their breeding and whatnot. They're breeding pairs or they're 640 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: breeding plots. I'll call because a lot of turkeys are 641 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: still they're going through fights and all that stuff. Their 642 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: testosterone is real high once they get hand up, and 643 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: then I'm hunting like a deer hunter, and I'm on 644 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: a food plot on a pretty top. You ever notice 645 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: in the afternoons, when it's a sunny day and the 646 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: winds are calm, you see turkey strutting everywhere in the evenings. 647 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: I call it turkey thirty. I like to get there 648 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: at four thirty, gets set up on a known strut 649 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: zone in the afternoons, have my decoys there, and then 650 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: sit there and call and see if you see if 651 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: we want to come out to the field. More often 652 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: than not, they're gonna show up between like five and 653 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: six thirty or seven somewhere in there. Six thirty is 654 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: turkey thirty to me. But you gotta beat them there 655 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: otherwise the spot you're getting in place. Do you find 656 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: any is there any nuance to picking the right strut zone, 657 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: the right feeding area? Do if you find that there's 658 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: any particular scenario that, oh man, this is the killer 659 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: scenario versus a random corn field or something like that. Yeah. 660 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: I like green fields in the spring. Um my clover 661 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: fields that I killed deer off of. I kill a 662 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: lot of turkeys off of those in the in the spring. 663 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: The bigger they are, the better. Uh. Pasture fields are 664 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: also magic, man. You know, you get all these big hardwoods. 665 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: All the roosting goes on in the hardwoods, and boom 666 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: they exhale every morning because all the turkeys are going 667 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: out to the pasture. Us are where all the food is. 668 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: You know, all the bugs, all the worms, all the plovers, 669 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: everything they're eating is out in those pastures. Uh. So 670 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, I like big open, open country where you 671 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: see turkey strutting quite often. That's where I go set up. 672 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: But the evening's gotta be right. You don't want to 673 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: do it on a real window evening. It's not nearly 674 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: as effective. If that's the case, I'm going to a 675 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: bottom field that gets sheltered from the wind if it's 676 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: a calm evening. I like the ridge tops someplace that 677 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: I've seen them strutting in the past, and we kill it. 678 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: We kill it pile afternoon turkeys. They're not nearly as vocal. 679 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: Once in a while you'll catch one that's vocal and 680 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll, but more often than not, 681 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: it's a quiet visual hunt where they see it, and boy, 682 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: they will flat go beat the tar out of a 683 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: Jake decoy in the evenings. We kill a pile a 684 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: big godlers in the afternoons on Jake's So what is 685 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: if if you had a magic wand, Mark, if I 686 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: gave you a magic wand and I said, you are 687 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: the maybe maybe let me change my analogy here, you 688 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: are the king of turkey hunting. I'm gonna give you 689 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: a secon and you could tap someone on the shoulder 690 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: and change how they turkey hunt. You could change one 691 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: thing about how the masses turkey hunt, the one mistake 692 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: that drives you nuts. So the one thing that you 693 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: wish people would listen to you about or or something, 694 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: if you could do that, if you had the power 695 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: to fix that one issue, what would that be? Stop 696 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: bumping them? So many people hear that gobble and they go, go, go, 697 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: go go. It's like a magnet, right and everything everybody's 698 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: going to that sound and turkeys are the most unbelievably 699 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: keen bird in the world. They're on the ground all day. 700 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,479 Speaker 1: It's an absolute miracle when you see a turkey walking 701 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: through the woods that they're still alive because everything's trying 702 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: to kill it. Right, So you know, they're good at living, 703 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: and they're they're good at living because they can see 704 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: like no other. And I think guys spook probably fifties 705 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: the turkeys thereafter. I think they're spooking them because that 706 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: they just don't know when to sit down, don't know 707 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: when to stop, don't know when to glass. Make sure 708 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: that little periscope and that's that, that's the deal. He's 709 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: got that little periscope that's the size of your fist, 710 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: barely over the hilltops, and he sees you long before 711 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: you see him. And people just misinterpret where their gobbles 712 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: at and they're spooking those birds. So their approach is 713 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: too fast and too aggressive. They need to slow down, 714 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: take their time because time means nothing to those birds. 715 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: They don't wear wrist watches, and it really doesn't mean 716 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: anything for that turkey. All he's gonna do is fly down, eats, drut, 717 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 1: do his thing, same thing he's been doing all spring 718 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: and the gobble puts everyone in in like, oh, I 719 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: gotta get there, I gotta get there. It kind of 720 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: you know, gets your emotions high, which is why we're 721 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: out there. But you really got to slow down and 722 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: take your time with turkeys, Like that's the big mistake 723 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: that I see people making is spooking that bird and 724 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 1: you're out of the game. Well, Mark, as I've always 725 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: come to rely on you for great words of wisdom. 726 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: All his a lot of fun. If people want to 727 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: see your turkey hunts the spring, if folks want to 728 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: follow along with what you got going on, where can 729 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: they see the Turkey tour and everything else. YouTube is 730 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: probably the easiest place. Our dear cast all of the 731 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: Turkey tours within deer cast. Uh, it's free. All of 732 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: our do d t V, um all of our content 733 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 1: is free within deer cast. If you want it all 734 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: in a one stop shop, you can check it out 735 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: at deer cast dot com. You can go to YouTube 736 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: check out d d t V, or you can check 737 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: it in I G t V or Facebook, any any 738 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: place that you can find our content. We've got the 739 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: Turkey tour airing. It's great stuff and um so is 740 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: this chat. I can't thank you enough. Mark. I really 741 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to the next time. 742 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: I can swindle you into talking deer too. Anytime, brother, 743 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: just don't ask them about fishing or stuff or anything else. 744 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: Turkey and deer, I'll talk. I'm fine with that. That's 745 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: my ticket to good Well. We got a lot of 746 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: common perfect Thank you, yeah, thank you, So that is 747 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: a rap. Thanks for joining us for our first bonus 748 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: Turkey episode of the spring. I hope you enjoyed it. 749 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: Make sure you check out everything Mark just mentioned Instagram, Facebook, 750 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: their YouTube channel, deer cast. It is all great um 751 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: and certainly will help you out here come Turkey season 752 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: as well. If not at least scratch the itch if 753 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: you can't be out turkey hunting. So with that said, 754 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: good luck turkey hunting, and until next time, stay wired 755 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: to Hunt.